[07:00] <Hobbsee> morning all
[07:00] <Tm_T> good morning
[07:01] <DaSkreech> !hobbsee
[07:01] <ubotu> I phear the stick so shhhhh
[07:01] <Tm_T> theshkrieek: sshhhh
[07:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:04] <pygi> you mean someone is actually afraid of hobsee? :P
[07:04] <Tm_T> pygi: theshkrieek is, as he should
[07:05] <pygi> I disagree
[07:06] <Tm_T> and you should be afraid of me
[07:08] <pygi> meh, dude, you can't even touch me
[07:12] <Jucato> Tm_T:!!! where were you when I needed you :(
[07:14] <Jucato> Tm_T: um. later... gonna take a rest from this splitting headache :(
[07:17] <Tm_T> Jucato: and I'm going to work, see you later ->
[07:40] <DaSkreech> Anyone use xnest a bit?
[08:14] <DaSkreech> who gimped adept?
[08:27] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: hm?
[08:28] <DaSkreech> you can't switch modes on the fly anymore
[08:38] <Tm_T> modes?
[08:38] <DaSkreech> !-botsnack
[08:38] <ubotu> botsnack has no aliases - added by Amaranth on 2006-08-05 08:42:05
[08:38] <DaSkreech> !botsnack
[08:38] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[08:39] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: Yeah I could install a bunch of stuff then go back to the package list and look over more stuff
[08:39] <DaSkreech> can't do that anymore :(
[08:39] <Tm_T> interesting
[09:11] <Jucato> DaSkreech: um.. View menu -> Package List?
[09:11] <DaSkreech> Doesn't work here
[09:11] <DaSkreech> Let me install something and see
[09:13] <DaSkreech> very much doesn't work here
[09:14] <Jucato> hm...
[09:14] <DaSkreech> the only thing still active during a download is hide toolbar
[09:14] <Jucato> let me double check. I was using adept_manager last night and it was ok
[09:14] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: red?
[09:15] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: no, purple.
[09:15] <Jucato> DaSkreech: you do mean Adept Manager right?
[09:15] <DaSkreech> hmm less tanning lotion
[09:15] <DaSkreech> Si
[09:17] <DaSkreech> Jucato: that's yes for you :)
[09:17] <DaSkreech> Can Konqui import FF's history?
[09:17] <Jucato> nope. I don't think so
[09:18] <Jucato> anyway, what do you mean by "hide toolbar" is the only thing active during a download?
[09:18] <Jucato> if you could reproduce steps. would be nice for trying to check this bug :)
[09:20] <DaSkreech> select random app that takes more then 4 seconds to download -> select request install -> click on Apply changes -> open view menu -> obsserve that you can't do much but watch the download happen -> go watch heroes -> wait two days and randomly bring it up in a dev channel -> wait for request to confirm bug -> paste this handy dandy line
[09:20] <Jucato> ok let me try
[09:22] <Jucato> well, I sure can switch to Show Package List, Show Last Dpkg Run, Show Last Download
[09:22] <Tm_T> Jucato: pong
[09:23] <Jucato> Tm_T: yay! done w/ work? :D
[09:23] <Tm_T> in work
[09:23] <Jucato> oh...
[09:23] <DaSkreech> Jucato: version
[09:23] <Tm_T> but have some sparetime if you need me
[09:23] <Jucato> DaSkreech: Adept Manager 2.1
[09:23] <DaSkreech> Cruiser?
[09:23] <Jucato> Tm_T: well anyway, I got bluetooth DUN GPRS working perfectly except for one thing. I can't connect to IRC
[09:23] <Jucato> DaSkreech: yes
[09:24] <DaSkreech> Grrr
[09:24] <DaSkreech> well... that was interesting
[09:24] <DaSkreech> so thats how you open a image in cli
[09:24] <Jucato> Tm_T: have you ever experienced that? IM, Browsing, Apt-get all work well (except for the speed, but who's complaining)
[09:26] <Tm_T> Jucato: can you tell more exactly what doesn't work?
[09:27] <Tm_T> like, can you ping irc server? and what servers and ports you tried?
[09:27] <Jucato> Tm_T: only IRC. I just can't connect to IRC... where could I go for specific logs?
[09:27] <Tm_T> no idea =)
[09:27] <Jucato> yeah pinging the server works, tried 6667 and 8001 ports
[09:27] <Jucato> freenode only (it's the only one I need/know)
[09:29] <Tm_T> and which freenode server?
[09:29] <Jucato> well, irc.ubuntu.com or irc.freenode.net. either of those
[09:29] <DaSkreech> Jucato: DUN?
[09:29] <Jucato> Dial Up Networking
[09:31] <DaSkreech> Jucato: no I'm asking if that's what you are asking for help with
[09:31] <Jucato> aah
[09:31] <Hobbsee> Jucato: DaSkreech it's ZVCDU.
[09:31] <Jucato> well, the only problem I had was that I couldn't connect to IRC, no matter what client I tried
[09:31] <Hobbsee> not DUN
[09:31] <Jucato> Hobbsee: what's that? O.o
[09:32] <Hobbsee> Ze Very Crappy Dial Up.
[09:32] <Jucato> lol :)
[09:32] <DaSkreech> Ole!
[09:32] <DaSkreech> Well I'm on Ze Dial up and Ze Vista
[09:32] <Hobbsee> oh no.  nixternal did it?
[09:33] <DaSkreech> no my mom
[09:33] <DaSkreech> Should fix that tomorrow
[09:33] <Hobbsee> and is Ze Sweedish Chef cooking you dinner?
[09:34] <DaSkreech> Bork Bork!
[09:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:34] <Hobbsee> yep
[09:41] <DaSkreech> Night all
[09:41] <DaSkreech> Gnight
[09:42] <Hobbsee> night DaSkreech
[09:57] <Tm_T> Jucato: well, irc.freenode.net is not actually one server, so, howq about directly pointing some specific server
[09:58] <Tm_T> Jucato: and does irc client give any error then
[09:58] <Jucato> Tm_T: hm.. ok... I'll try. I never really noticed which server it was trying to connect to. but iirc, it changes server everytime you try to connect, and I've tried it dozens of time
[09:58] <Jucato> no error, just connection lost and tries again
[09:59] <Jucato> this  is after the initial "Connected: logging in"
[10:02] <Tm_T> and?
[10:03] <Tm_T> and what clients you tried?
[10:03] <Jucato> irssi and konversation
[10:04] <Tm_T> ok
[10:07] <Nightrose> morning
[10:15] <Jucato> Tm_T: Trying to connect to kubrick.freenode.net. I can definitely ping that one. it stops at "No identd (auth) response"
[10:16] <toma> ola
[10:16] <toma> i'm having troubles with vmware, anyone around?
[10:50] <raphink> hi guys :)
[10:54] <Hobbsee> hiya raphink :)
[10:54] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[10:55] <Tm_T> howdy ho
[10:55] <raphink> hi Tm_T
[10:55] <Tm_T> raphy (:
[10:57] <raphink> oh I get a an upside-down smile
[10:58] <Tm_T> or lefthanded
[10:59] <raphink> hehe
[10:59] <raphink> I don't know, I don't usually use my hands to smile
[11:20] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[11:21] <Riddell> hi viviersf
[11:45] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell
[11:51] <gnomefreak> morning everyone
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you here?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if i want to create a kubuntu-restricted-extras package, like the current ubuntu one, and have deps like libk3b2-mp3 in there - is it better to use shlibdeps stuff (ie, libk3b-dev as a build dep), or just hardcode the particular library in those files?  it seems to be using a similar thing to seeds
[12:14] <Hobbsee> (or should i ask mvo?)
[12:16] <Riddell> hmm, never seen that ubuntu one
[12:17] <Riddell> yeah, go for it, look at the ubuntu source to see how that's done
[12:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i have.  they dont use a specific library
[12:17] <Hobbsee> so theyhavent had to face the issue
[12:17] <Riddell> just hard code then
[12:18] <Hobbsee> okay
[12:19] <gnomefreak> will kubuntu implement restricted-drivers-manager for gutsy?
[12:19] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: that is an eivl package
[12:19] <gnomefreak> evil
[12:20] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: depends if anyone writes one.  i cant ermember who was looking into it
[12:20] <gnomefreak> ty
[12:20] <Riddell> mhb has it on his summer of code todo
[12:21] <gnomefreak> ok cool ty
[12:27] <xerosis> is there a back-end for r-d-m?
[12:33] <Hobbsee> no idea.  id' think so - it's in ubuntu
[12:34] <Riddell> it's mostly separated between backend and frontend
[12:35] <Riddell> as I say mhb will do it after gdebi
[12:38] <Hobbsee> perhaps not in debian.  oh well, i'ts used in ubuntu.
[12:43] <Hobbsee> who's Andreas Simon?
[12:45] <Jucato> whatever happened to LG3D anyway?
[12:46] <Riddell> Hobbsee: a motu potential
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i meant irc nick
[12:46] <Riddell> asimon
[12:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm looking at kde4-style-qtcurve which looks fine, but there's a newer version
[12:47] <Hobbsee> i'm wondering whether to ack and upload the old versino, as you've already ack'd it, or to get him to uploa dhte new version
[12:47] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[12:48] <Hobbsee> oops.
[12:48] <Hobbsee> the reason my changes to k-r-e arent on revu is because i'm not uploading them there.
[12:51] <Riddell> k-r-e?
[12:51] <Riddell> oh, extras
[12:51] <Riddell> get an archive admin to remove if from new if you accidently uploaded to ubuntu
[12:52] <Hobbsee> they'll rejected it
[12:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can you look into http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5482 ?
[12:53] <Hobbsee> (it incidently is the latest version in the ubuntu NEW queue)
[12:54] <Hobbsee> er, s/rejected/reject/
[01:30] <hunger> Any idea what I can do to get my fontsizes fixed up again in Qt apps? They got much bigger last week. Forcing the font resolution does not help.
[01:38] <hunger> Changing the DisplaySize in xorg.conf does change the font sizes in kdm, but not in my KDE session. Is there anything in the user setup that can influence the DPI?
[01:43] <mhb> hunger: you can "enforce" the DPI using systemsettings/appearance/fonts I think
[01:49] <hunger> mhb: That was ignored yesterday. Seems to work now though... thanks.
[02:45] <Jucato> oops.. thought you were a ball...
[02:45] <Tm_T> mooh
[02:45] <Jucato> do we have an #ubuntu-artists channel?
[02:46] <Tm_T> yup
[02:46] <Jucato> what would be the name?
[02:46] <Tm_T> isn't it #ubuntu-artists ?
[02:46] <Jucato> nope. empty
[02:46] <mhb> #ubuntu-art
[02:46] <mhb> ?
[02:47] <Tm_T> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[02:47] <Tm_T> artwork
[02:47] <Jucato> ah thanks. someone was asking :)
[02:47] <Tm_T> haven't been there for awhile so forgot
[02:47] <mhb> right, artwork; -art is a redirect.
[02:47] <Jucato> thanks
[03:05] <seele> Riddell: sorry this took so long: http://obso1337.org/hci/kde/Kubuntu_Installation_Usability_testing_June_2007.pdf
[03:09] <Riddell> seele: great, looking
[03:27] <Riddell> seele: plenty to read and act on there
[03:28] <Riddell> seele: we actually have a new ubiquity maintainer now, evand.  I guess me and colin and him should discuss the recommendations and see if there's time to get those done
[03:28] <seele> ok
[03:28] <seele> some of them might not be exact because it was from testing herd 5
[03:29] <seele> but i think its pretty obvious that partitioning needs to be looked at
[03:29] <Riddell> which of course there should be since he's working on it full time now
[03:29] <seele> i didnt think it was as big of a problem until i saw people struggling to bad
[03:29] <seele> ok
[03:29] <Jucato> seele: I have a question. Did anyone who participated in the tests know that they could select a different partition/drive to install GRUB to?
[03:29] <seele> Jucato: no
[03:30] <seele> Jucato: i tested people who were familiar with installing/configuring software on windows (someone who might be interested in trying out linux)
[03:30] <Jucato> ah
[03:30] <seele> i think trying to explain a bootloader would have made them esplode
[03:30] <Jucato> partitioning would have already made them explode :)
[03:30] <seele> hehe
[03:31] <Jucato> I'm bad.. I haven't given ubiquity much attention because I preferred alternate install cd's :(
[03:32] <Jucato> I wonder if it has a sort of Help button with a corresponding guide...
[03:33] <seele> hi Hobbsee
[03:33] <Lure> seele: nice report with lots of good points
[03:57] <xerosis> seele: while you're here do you might having a quick look a UI?
[03:57] <xerosis> seele: it's just rough but need to see if I'm on the right lines...
[04:01] <seele> xerosis: i can look, but technically i'm at work :)
[04:02] <_marseillais_> When is the freeze for new software inclusion ?
[04:02] <xerosis> seele: oh okay no worries, just give me ping next time you're at home :)
[04:06] <Riddell> _marseillais_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[04:07] <_marseillais_> arf
[04:07] <_marseillais_> i must hurry to include pikdev ....
[04:08] <_marseillais_> but it seems it is unmaintained
[04:08] <_marseillais_> :(
[04:08] <Riddell> what's that?
[04:09] <Riddell> august 16th is UVF
[04:09] <_marseillais_> i thought it was Remaining upstream merges completed, Rebuild Test the 21 june for new apps ....
[04:09] <_marseillais_> thanks Riddell
[04:47] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[04:48] <Hobbsee> hiya
[04:48] <dinosaur-rus> why did Tm_T hide? :)
[04:48] <Tm_T> don't pretend you are not in mafia, all russians are
[04:49] <Tm_T> I know, but you won't get ME!
[04:49] <dinosaur-rus> :P
[04:49] <dinosaur-rus> I'm harmless :)
[04:49] <Tm_T> so they all say
[04:49] <Tm_T> and then you lose your ears
[04:49] <dinosaur-rus> hahah
[04:50] <Tm_T> hum, from what region you are?
[04:50] <dinosaur-rus> Moscow
[04:50] <Tm_T> humm, that far, shame
[04:51] <Tm_T> I'm from eastern Finland
[04:51] <dinosaur-rus> not so far :)
[04:52] <Tm_T> ok, so I can assassinate you before you kill more innocent hu-mans
[04:52] <dinosaur-rus> oh, then I should hide from you, not you from me :)
[04:53] <Tm_T> better?
[04:55] <dinosaur-rus> hey :))
[04:56] <Tm_T> hey hey *bang*
[05:01] <dinosaur-rus> is Qt 4.3 going to be released for pre-Gutsy distributions?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: unlikely, unless anyone puts in the effort to do it
[05:02] <Hobbsee> wonder what it requires to do...
[05:02] <Hobbsee> i dont think there are current plans to
[05:05] <dinosaur-rus> another question -- recently OpenOffice.org released bugfix-only 2.2.1 version of their software. will packages be updated?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> for what, feisty?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> unlikely, as it's so huge.  mind you, one could use PPA and launchpad for that, i guess....
[05:06] <Hobbsee> depends on the demand and such
[05:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what are your thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/119467?
[05:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119467 in kubuntu-meta "make non-essential packages Recommends and not Depends" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[05:19] <Riddell> Hobbsee: the general policy is that any package which can be removed and you can still sanely call the result a "kubuntu desktop" should be recommends
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.  have you got any problems with any of those packages being moved to recommends?
[05:19] <Riddell> whether e.g. amarok should be in there is unclear
[05:19] <Hobbsee> and the other question is the technical one - how to change it?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> wlel, a base kde desktop, i would expect, would be part of kubuntu-desktkop
[05:19] <Hobbsee> without the extra, cool, kde apps
[05:19] <Riddell> seems to me it wouldn't be kubuntu without amarok
[05:19] <Riddell> you put brackets around the name in the seeds
[05:19] <Riddell> strigi should be recommends certainly
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true that.  it's the case of people who compile it from svn or whatever
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ie, how much of a base kubuntu do you need, and which components cant you remove
[05:19] <Hobbsee> not "what's the best desktop experience?"
[05:19] <Hobbsee> because of course, having everything in k-d installed is going to be the best
[05:22] <Hobbsee> ahhh....
[05:22] <Hobbsee> right
[05:25] <Tm_T> err, if you don't like to have "full Kubuntu desktop" how about not installing kubuntu-desktop ?
[05:25] <Tm_T> or what's the problem?
[05:26] <Riddell> that's kindae my thinking
[05:26] <Tm_T> well that's sort of logical thinking?
[05:26] <Tm_T> whole point of kubuntu-desktop is to provide, err, kubuntu desktop
[05:26] <Riddell> the ones marked recommends are so because it's understandable not to use them, knetworkmanager isn't right for everyone, neither is openoffice
[05:26] <Tm_T> not "minimal desktop with some recommends"
[05:27] <Tm_T> doing dishes while kdelibs compiles ->
[05:39] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: err, that's not punishment
[05:39] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:39] <Tm_T> bash them to Russia
[05:40] <dinosaur-rus> Tm_T, don't be so unfriendly :)
[05:41] <Tm_T> I'm not (;
[05:42] <Tm_T> you remember the times when people were transmitted to Siberia for punishment?
[05:43] <dinosaur-rus> Tm_T, lots of time passed since then. don't shame on Russia for USSR's mistakes
[05:43] <Tm_T> we still say "Siperia opettaa" = "Siberia teatches"
[05:43] <Tm_T> dinosaur-rus: I don't =)
[05:43] <dinosaur-rus> and mistakes of pre-USSR time
[05:47] <Tm_T> dinosaur-rus: just my way of seeing world, always humour in it
[05:47] <dinosaur-rus> :)
[05:47] <Tm_T> world and life
[05:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm suspecting we should support the choice of users that they may want to remove some apps.
[05:48] <Hobbsee> but it does cause headaches for upgrades, i guess
[05:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: by the number of bugs about it...it's something that's reqeuested, for wahtever reason
[05:49] <Hobbsee> and it's an alternative to installing kdebase and kdelibs, and then bitching about no khelpcentre or whatever
[05:56] <dinosaur-rus> ohhh, KDE4 is going to be released a bit too late to be finally included in Gutsy :P
[06:00] <mhb> dinosaur-rus: actually, WAY too late
[06:02] <xerosis> wow, nice last comment in that bug...
[06:03] <dinosaur-rus> mhb: KDE4'll be released after just 5 days after Gutsy :)) less than a week
[06:03] <dinosaur-rus> xerois: lol
[06:03] <dinosaur-rus> xerosis
[06:04] <dinosaur-rus> xerosis: and it's soo long :)
[06:09] <mhb> dinosaur-rus: I know, but we would need to have it released before our feature freeze
[06:10] <mhb> dinosaur-rus: which is a lot earlier than final release
[06:18] <dinosaur-rus> how the next-to-Gutsy version will be called? IIRC, "H" letter is already used :P
[06:18] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: no one knows
[06:36] <marseillai> could anyone give me a name of a pykde based package done with CDBS? if possible a simple one. it's to see how it's done.
[06:36] <Riddell> I doubt we have any
[06:37] <Riddell> check all the ones from apt-cache rdepends python-kde3
[06:37] <marseillai> thanks
[06:37] <marseillai> i'll
[06:37] <marseillai> i'll try lphoto
[06:38] <marseillai> grrrr debhelper
[06:42] <Riddell> I don't think there will be any
[06:42] <Riddell> just use debhelper, it's not so bad
[06:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is there a legit reason for ~/.local/ to be owned by root?
[06:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: can't imagine so
[06:50] <Riddell> hi kwwii, how's the food at mountain view?
[06:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's the solution for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/kdebase/+bug/88426 - where best to implement it?  ie, chowning it back to the regualr users
[06:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 88426 in kdebase "kmenuedit does not save changes." [Low,Confirmed] 
[06:51] <kwwii> Riddell: pretty good but I am still sick
[06:51] <kwwii> Riddell: the DA meeting starts tomorrow
[06:51] <kwwii> been here working with intel and nokia people since yesterday
[06:53] <Riddell> kwwii: you shouldn't be working if you're sick!
[06:54] <kwwii> Riddell: well, I came all this way so just staying in the hotel seems stupid
[06:56] <Riddell> Hobbsee: solution would be to find out what's chowning it to root and fixing that
[06:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true that
[06:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: work around would be to chown it after adept runs each time or somethiing.  or after kdesudo runs.
[06:58] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[06:58] <Tonio_> anyone there (c++ coder required)
[06:58] <Tonio_> I have to write a fix for ark, for I can't find the function/class I need
[06:58] <Hobbsee> Tonio_!!!
[06:58] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[07:03] <Tonio_> mhb: ping ?
[07:03] <Tonio_> or Riddell ?
[07:04] <fdoving> Tonio_: hi. what ark fix?
[07:04] <Tonio_> fdoving: simply :
[07:04] <Tonio_> zip files don't have the filename encoding in it
[07:04] <mhb> Tonio_: here
[07:04] <Tonio_> the zip binary by defaults encodes file names using latin-1
[07:04] <Tonio_> that's a zip format limitation
[07:05] <Tonio_> the point is that when you want to display a zip file content with ark
[07:05] <Tonio_> it considers everything is utf-8
[07:07] <Tonio_> the idea would be to convert the filename string from latin1 to the system charset, utf-8 for ubuntu
[07:07] <Tonio_> and display this
[07:07] <Tonio_> that'll fix a 4 year old bug
[07:07] <Tonio_> the point is that I can't seem to find a class to convert a string charset.... all I know is iconv
[07:07] <Tonio_> mhb: hey ;) I hope you can help on that point
[07:07] <fdoving> Tonio_: ah. i might, but i have to search some docs. i hate encodings. hang on.
[07:07] <Tonio_> once I get that class I think I an patch myself
[07:07] <Tonio_> fdoving: same for me :(
[07:07] <Tonio_> but it would be nice to fix this :)
[07:07] <Tonio_> for kubuntu, kde and the french parliament :)
[07:08] <fdoving> Tonio_: http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/qtextcodec.html
[07:10] <mhb> fdoving: hi, have you commited your cleanup to kdesudo yet?
[07:11] <fdoving> Tonio_: and i think you would use something like: http://rafb.net/p/M46yMg96.html
[07:12] <Tonio_> fdoving: well the point is that I need to convert from iso-8859-1 to "the system charset"
[07:12] <fdoving> mhb: hi, i think so, i'll check.
[07:12] <Tonio_> fdoving: any idea how to get it ? via the env variables ?
[07:12] <fdoving> Tonio_: ah, the other way around.
[07:13] <fdoving> Tonio_: then you can use local8Bit()
[07:13] <Tonio_> which is ?
[07:13] <fdoving> Tonio_: A qstring member
[07:14] <mhb> fdoving: according to LP nothing was commited
[07:15] <fdoving> mhb: funny, i'll do it then.
[07:15] <fdoving> Tonio_: http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/i18n.html
[07:16] <Tonio_> thanks :)
[07:16] <Tonio_> that'll help
[07:19] <fdoving> Tonio_: the http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/qstring.html#local8Bit is a good hint i guess.
[07:28] <fdoving> mhb: commited.
[07:45] <fdoving> Tonio_: status?
[07:45] <Tonio_> fdoving: working on it :)
[07:45] <Tonio_> ark code is really ugly :)
[07:57] <fdoving> i met this cutie at work today: http://frode.kde.no/work/Bilde(243).jpg
[07:58] <Hobbsee> fdoving: awww...cute :P
[07:58] <fdoving> .. and belive it or not, i met another one, bigger kind too: http://frode.kde.no/work/Bilde(244).jpg
[07:59] <Hobbsee> very cute :)
[08:13] <Riddell> fdoving: sweet
[08:13] <fdoving> very :)
[08:31] <marseillai> i'm building my package in pbuilder
[08:31] <marseillai> and got this error :
[08:31] <marseillai> cd . && python2.5 setup.py build --build-base="/tmp/buildd/katchtv-0.91/./build"
[08:31] <marseillai> python2.5: can't open file 'setup.py': [Errno 2]  No such file or directory
[08:31] <marseillai> there's no setup.py in my package
[08:52] <ScottK-laptop> marseillai: Is it a cdbs package?
[08:52] <marseillai> ScottK-laptop: yes but i give up this way
[08:53] <marseillai> i do all with install file
[08:53] <marseillai> perhaps not the cleanest way
[08:53] <marseillai> but the easier for me
[08:53] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  cdbs works really well if you have a good setup.py, but otherwise ...
[08:53] <fdoving> marseillai: if you use cdbs, do you include any python magic at the top of the file?
[08:54] <marseillai> DEB_PYTHON_SYSTEM = pysupport
[08:54] <marseillai> ???
[08:54] <fdoving> i don't know, i have no clue on anything python related.
[08:54] <marseillai> ScottK-laptop: i don't have any setup.py
[08:54] <fdoving> but i guess cdbs looks for setup.py somehow.
[08:54] <mhb> marseillai: remember what I said to you about multiple question marks?
[08:54] <mhb> marseillai: :o)
[08:55] <fdoving> if you don't trigger it on your own, which you probably don't.
[08:55] <marseillai> mhb: ???????? i don't understand your sentence
[08:56] <fdoving> Tonio_: status?
[08:56] <marseillai> fdoving: yes it was looking for setup.py in include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/python-distutils.mk so i remove it now and do it with my hand
[08:56] <ScottK-laptop> marseillai: If you figured a way to do it through an install file and it works, then I'd go with it.
[08:57] <mhb> marseillai: posting multiple (?)s in one sentence is unnecessary and may appear rude
[08:57] <marseillai> ScottK-laptop: now i just need a wrapper ('im looking for an example) and a .desktop i'm doing right now and i should be ok
[08:58] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Sorry can't help with that as all the Python packages I've done had a proper setup.py.
[08:58] <marseillai> mhb: oki sorry just a bad practice i have
[09:07] <marseillai> ScottK-laptop: do you know where i can find an example of a python wrapper
[09:07] <marseillai> ?
[09:07] <ScottK-laptop> No, sorry.
[09:11] <Lure> Riddell: I have nominated bug 112120 fro Feisty SRU - it would be good to get displayconfig crashes also addressed
[09:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112120 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager crashes at startup" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112120
[09:11] <Lure> Riddell: not sure if we can fix more than one bug with one SRU
[09:19] <marseillai> apachelogger: you'll have to poke hobbsee ... :p
[09:19] <Riddell> Lure: looks like a good one for SRU, yes you can fix more than one bug at once with a SRU
[09:21] <marseillai> Riddell: my katchtv package is almost done i only need something to put in /usr/bin wich call /usr/share/katchtv/KatchTV could you tell me how to do ?
[09:22] <marseillai> does a simlink is enough ?
[09:22] <apachelogger> marseillai: sounds like a good idea ;-)
[09:23] <Lure> Riddell: ok, need to talk with _Sime_ about displayconfig crash issue (seems to be related to multiscreen/xinerama which is quite common these days)
[09:23] <apachelogger> marseillai: why isn't katchtv stored in bin?
[09:24] <marseillai> apachelogger: because it's pykde and every file must be in the same directory
[09:24] <apachelogger> hm
[09:24] <apachelogger> marseillai: ok, simlink seems to be the only soultion
[09:25] <apachelogger> or you might want to hack a bit and change the code :P
[09:25] <marseillai> no no no
[09:25] <marseillai> :)
[09:28] <Riddell> marseillai: why is the executable in /usr/share ?
[09:28] <Riddell> marseillai: is it a binary or a script?
[09:28] <Riddell> marseillai: symlink is fine, that's what kde-guidance does
[09:29] <Riddell> marseillai: or create a 1 line shell script with echo which calls it
[09:43] <marseillai> Riddell: oki i'm currently looking at calling dh_link in my rules file
[09:45] <marseillai> Riddell: but i would like to have more explication about this one line script what do you mean by "echo" ?
[09:46] <Mez> w00t I may have got kubuntu a mention in the wall street journal
[09:46] <Riddell> marseillai: look at how kde-guidance does it
[09:46] <marseillai> oki
[09:46] <Riddell> Mez: ooh?
[09:46] <Riddell> Mez: how?
[09:47] <Mez> Riddell, I had an interview with them about something i do, and I bought up a couple of references to kubuntu :D lol - :D
[10:25] <_StefanS_> uhm, I kinda wondering what will be the killer feature(s) of kubuntu gutsy... is there anything planned, or are we just doing package updates?
[10:25] <_StefanS_> I/I'm
[10:28] <mhb> _StefanS_: no killer on the horizon yet
[10:28] <mhb> _StefanS_: perhaps it will be stability and ease of use :o)
[10:28] <_StefanS_> uhm ok, so I guess it going to be the polish that sets it apart
[10:29] <mhb> _StefanS_: is there a killer for Ubuntu Gutsy?
[10:30] <_StefanS_> no don't think so...
[10:30] <_StefanS_> donno how upstart is coming along
[10:30] <_StefanS_> coz thats definitely nice
[10:31] <_StefanS_> would be cool to see that bootsplash/usplash not flickering about when booting though
[10:33] <mhb> is there somebody who monitors the Ubuntu features? Ubuntu FF had a lot of features Kubuntu FF had not, we'll be most likely including some of them in gutsy, but won't we fall one release behind again?
[10:34] <Riddell> _StefanS_: gdebi-kde will be the killer feature
[10:34] <_StefanS_> Riddell: gdebi-kde? uhm I dont think I heard about it :D
[10:34] <Riddell> it'll be killer.  but not literally
[10:35] <_StefanS_> uhm, ok frontend for local debs
[10:36] <_StefanS_> but to be honest I cant think of any killer stuff we need, except for maybe kde 4, but that pretty far out in the horizon
[10:38] <_StefanS_> Riddell: this is just funny... have you ever noticed that in gtk apps the buttons dont work if you click a button, and then leave the mouse over it as it changes, and click again :)
[10:39] <_StefanS_> Riddell: that bug has been around like forever..
[10:39] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I have noticed, and I'm surprised nobody has fixed it
[10:40] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hehe, isn't that just funny ? :)
[10:40] <_StefanS_> Riddell: seems so obvious
[10:40] <mhb> _StefanS_: perhaps the killer feature will be a nice kdesu/do effect :o)
[10:42] <_StefanS_> mhb: ah well, I actually working on it ;) - chances are that I good have time this week
[10:42] <_StefanS_> mhb: kdesudo is definitely cool though
[10:43] <mhb> _StefanS_: you know what would be killer? A nice Kubuntu website presenting the key Kubuntu features in a marketing-friendly way
[10:44] <_StefanS_> mhb: yep we definitely need some nice exposure, the ubuntu.com site is just cool. Maybe we could just do s/ubuntu/kubuntu/g on their stuff.
[10:44] <mhb> _StefanS_: with pictures, convincing text and so on
[10:44] <_StefanS_> mhb: yep, totally agree
[10:45] <_StefanS_> hmm I need a new cellphone
[10:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: have you considered the liberation fonts for kubuntu ? I think they are just amazingly nice
[10:51] <Riddell> havn't we got quite enough fonts already?
[10:57] <_StefanS_> well I was just thinking for default font..
[10:58] <_StefanS_> but nevermind.
[10:59] <mhb> the default font is nice, when properly anti-aliased
[11:22] <ryanakca> hmmm... is it just me, or are spammers getting smart (not that they will ever be, but you know what I mean), and making their spam look like launchpad email?
[11:23] <mhb> ryanakca: not here, could you perhaps forward that spam to me? :o)
[11:23] <mhb> I'd like to see that.
[11:32] <Tm_T> mhb: and from this day, every mail from ryanakca to you is considered as spam in your filters?
[11:33] <mhb> Tm_T: no, my filters usually don't consider emails from people in my contacts as spam
[11:33] <Tm_T> why not
[11:33] <mhb> Tm_T: gmail magic
[11:33] <Tm_T> sounds stupid
[11:34] <mhb> Tm_T: and ryanakca did not send the email
[11:34] <mhb> :o)
[11:34] <Tm_T> haha
[12:15] <ryanakca> mhb: back, hehe
[12:15] <ryanakca> mhb: mhb at kubuntu?
[12:15] <mhb> ryanakca: martin.bohm at kubu