[12:53] <DanaG> Wow, mirrors.kernel.org sure has some bandwidth!
[12:53] <DanaG> 20 thousand kilobytes per second when on GbE in Cal Poly computer lab.
[12:53] <DanaG> Or 18000, at least.
[12:55] <crimsun> that's because both servers are connected to individual gigE links.
[12:55] <crimsun> kernel.org has had these two gigE links for some time
[12:56] <DanaG> Is it one link per server, or two?
[12:56] <crimsun> one link per server.
[12:56] <crimsun> each has its own gigE
[12:57] <DanaG> Hmmm, /me checks what 1024x1024 is...
[12:58] <DanaG> Aah, more than enough.
[01:01] <cables> Does Alpha 1 have bulletproof x?
[01:01] <crimsun> no.
[01:01] <cables> Is that going to be in Gutsy final?
[01:02] <crimsun> if it's milestoned for it.
[01:02] <cables> I thought I saw something about it in the changelog, but ok
[01:29] <corey> Is it a common problem for Laptop users with ATi graphics to not being able to boot into the desktop install cd's?  I've had the problem on two different laptops over the last couple versions of ubuntu (including gutsy)
[01:29] <crimsun> yes
[01:29] <crimsun> the x* don't appear to respect VESA
[01:30] <corey> any word on if any progress is being made? or can be made?
[02:17] <DanaG> That's odd: recently gnome-power-manager has gotten out of whack.
[02:17] <DanaG> It will say I have 0% battery left, when the panel applet indicates 40%.
[02:17] <DanaG> ...oh, somehow "Use time for policy" got checked.
[02:18] <RAOF> It's not the crazy "30% battery power left, 2 minutes remaining" thing?
[02:18] <DanaG> 5 minutes, 44%.
[02:18] <DanaG> I guess that IS the same thing.
[02:19] <DanaG> Oh, and I need to file a bug on brightness control:
[02:20] <DanaG> The backlight sysfs class does not provide "available levels", so GPM tries to set adjacent integer values,
[02:21] <DanaG> when the BIOS only allows steps of ~12.5, rounded up or down.
[02:29] <DanaG> Oh, and if it TRIES to go between, the backlight goes entirely OFF.
[02:30] <RAOF> DanaG: If you let your battery pretty much fully discarge (while g-p-m is running), g-p-m will actually have some good data and will no longer think 30% is critical :)
[02:30] <DanaG> It never used to think that, however.
[02:31] <RAOF> No, it's because it's now maintaining a history of how long it takes your battery to discarge.
[02:32] <RAOF> It desperately needs some tweaking for when it *doesn't* have any good data, but after a while it converges to a good estimate.
[02:34] <RAOF> It also now has a good estimate for how long the battery takes to charge, which is pretty cool.
[02:35] <crimsun> just don't do it on an EOL'd battery like I am.
[02:35] <crimsun> in fact, when I plug in now, I remove the battery
[02:36] <RAOF> Why?  I thought the new system should handle crappy batteries well.
[02:37] <DanaG> Will the inhibit applet prevent it from shutting down, so I can test it?
[02:37] <RAOF> I just set it to "do nothing" when on critical battery power.
[02:38] <RAOF> Although I've turned that back on, now that g-p-m actually has some data.
[02:39] <DanaG> Odd, the brightness thingy BLINKS as it changes.
[02:39] <RAOF> Hm, maybe that algorithm needs a little bit of tweaking.  I doubt I'll get 3 hours out of this battery while running a VM, building compiz, and on 100% brightness :)
[02:40] <DanaG> Bright-off-medium-off-dim.
[02:40] <DanaG> And if I left it at default, it would be stopping at OFF.
[02:40] <RAOF> Cool :)
[02:41] <DanaG> It's like GPM is trying to fade.
[02:42] <DanaG> It'd be cool if it worked, but /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video{0,1} doesn't list the discrete levels.
[02:42] <DanaG> in any file in those dirs.
[02:43] <DanaG> Oh yeah, have any of you tried the new 100.whatever NVIDIA driver?
[02:44] <RAOF> Nope.  The next nvidia driver I try will be nouveau.
[02:44] <DanaG> It seems to have working hotkey display switching -- except for the "changing resolution" part -- it stays at the original res rather than at the new device's desired.
[02:45] <RAOF> Yay.  Does that mean it might actually resume-from-suspend with Compiz?
[02:46] <DanaG> I've been using Beryl with resume -- just with NvAGP set to 0 or 1.
[02:46] <DanaG> Right now it's set to 0 both in the modprobe.d file and in xorg.conf.
[02:47] <RAOF> Oh, cool
[02:47] <DanaG> Random topic change: why doesn't the /etc/ssh/ssh_config file have a timeout set by default?
[02:48] <DanaG> Until I added one, I'd get the client randomly freezing (blocking), requiring a kill.
[02:53] <DanaG> Argh, Xorg is eating 50% CPU, for some reason.
[02:55] <RAOF> Heh.
[02:55] <RAOF> Incidentally, why are you using Beryl?  The compcomm stuff has hit Gutsy.
[02:56] <crdlb> RAOF, it has?
[02:56] <crdlb> I thought it was still held up
[02:56] <crdlb> there was a name conflict on libccs
[02:58] <DanaG> I like being on GbE at Cal Poly:
[02:58] <DanaG> 20000 kilobytes per second is INSANE, compared to Charter's 3 megabits.
[03:13] <RAOF> crdlb: Oh, really?  I'm not using it, I just saw some compcomm-plugins-* go through on the gutsy-changes RSS feed.
[03:19] <DanaG> Argh, my hard drive keeps spinning up and down.
[03:24] <DanaG> spin UP spin down.  spin UP spin down. .... wait....... spin (oh, you get the idea.)
[03:52] <DanaG> Up, Down, up, down, up, down, up, down -- how do I stop it?
[03:55] <DanaG> .....and up and down.
[03:59] <Pumpernickle> What's using it?
[04:00] <gnomefreak> sounds like kernel or hd is on its way out
[04:02] <gnomefreak> this is of course if DanaG had already checked for outlaw apps running and has rebooted and still gets it
[04:02] <gnomefreak> s/if/assuming
[04:06] <DanaG> It's more like hdparm is set wrong -- stopping laptop-mode doesn't unset what it sets.
[04:08] <gnomefreak> DanaG: not sure. if it was something iubuntu set up in hdparm than most of the users in here would complain, but i dont have this issue on neither gutsy laptop or desktop
[04:08] <gnomefreak> -i
[04:09] <gnomefreak> unless ofcourse you have some odd hd model or if you changed the default config
[04:11] <gnomefreak> only real way to be sure is to install feisty on that hd if it still does it than you know what it is, if it doesnt do it upgrade to gutsy see if it does it than as well if it does than there is an issue in gutsy packages
[04:19] <DanaG> I remember I changed the settings; what's the command line way to disable spindown?
[04:21] <DanaG> aah, got it -- sudo hdparm -S 0 /dev/sda
[06:44] <Jordan_U> I hope the font and title bar etc being smaller is not a bug, I really like it :)
[08:47] <RAOF> Sigh at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=471501
[08:48] <crdlb> "following the guide on ubuntuguide" :/
[08:48] <RAOF> That's a bad start.
[08:49] <RAOF> Just... urgh.
[08:49] <crdlb>  How to upgrade from Feisty Fawn -> Gutsy Gibbon
[08:49] <crdlb>     * Use these repos if you are /not/ afraid of breakage.
[08:49] <crdlb> that's all it says :O
[08:50] <RAOF> Indeed.
[08:51] <RAOF> Also, there's really no sane way to downgrade to Feisty.  Poor fool.
[08:53] <Hobbsee> there isnt
[08:53] <Hobbsee> apart from a reinstall
[08:53] <coNP> actually the package pinning is a good method to revert to (almost-)Feisty
[08:53] <coNP> I did it many time dancing between Dapper and Edgy
[08:54] <Hobbsee> yeah, but that's hardly good for users who are looking at the ubuntuguide
[08:56] <coNP> What is the politically correct way to refer to a user whose gender is not known? I am serious (and non-native of course) :)
[08:56] <coNP> I wanted to say he / she and stuck :)
[08:57] <Hobbsee> they
[08:57] <Hobbsee> you can also usually get away with "he"
[08:57] <crdlb> politically but not grammatically correct :P
[08:57] <Hobbsee> as the gender balance is skewed
[08:58] <coNP> It is a real shame on us
[08:59] <coNP> Okay, thanks. Someone intends to reply him or should I?
[08:59] <RAOF> Already have done.
[09:10] <arkygeek> hi folks.
[09:12] <arkygeek> i am sitting here contemplating putting gutsy on my office box....
[09:12] <arkygeek> Host/Kernel/OS  "arkygeek-office" running Linux 2.6.20.10-slh-smp-1 i686 [ sidux-20070110-d:4 ] 
[09:12] <arkygeek> CPU Info        (1) Intel Core2 6400 @ 2048 KB cache flags( sse sse2 lm pni vmx ) clocked at [ 2135.275 MHz ] 
[09:12] <arkygeek>                 (2) Intel Core2 6400 @ 2048 KB cache flags( sse sse2 lm pni vmx ) clocked at [ 2135.275 MHz ] 
[09:12] <arkygeek> Videocard       nVidia NV44 [GeForce 6200 LE]   X.Org 1.3.0  [ 2560x1024 @85hz ] 
[09:12] <arkygeek> Network cards   RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI
[09:12] <arkygeek>                 VIA VT6102 [Rhine-II] , at port: e800
[09:12] <arkygeek> Processes 116 | Uptime 21days | Memory 422.4/1010.9MB | HDD ATA Maxtor 6V160E0 Size 160GB (62%used) | GLX Renderer GeForce 6200 LE/PCI/SSE2 | GLX Version 2.1.0 NVIDIA 97.55 | Client Konversation 1.0.1 | Infobash v2.62
[09:12] <arkygeek> opinions?
[09:12] <crdlb> argh
[09:12] <coNP> arkygeek: does your boss tolerate a not working computer / employee? :)
[09:13] <arkygeek> heh - im a post grad research student ;-)
[09:13] <coNP> "research" is a good point of view, gutsy is very much in research state now :)
[09:13] <arkygeek> you running it coNP ?
[09:14] <RAOF> Man, I wish I had that sort of access to my Uni box.
[09:14] <RAOF> Frikkin Suse 2.ancient.
[09:14] <arkygeek> coNP: so what are some of your favorite features/changes to gutsy from feisty?
[09:17] <crimsun> heads-up for anyone considering updating: alsa-lib is likely to be broken if you use libasound2-plugins
[09:18] <crimsun> I've committed the fix; it should build in 1.5 hrs and be available on archive.uc about 1.5 hours after that
[09:18] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yummy :)
[09:18] <RAOF> Nice estimates.
[09:18] <crimsun> well, I missed this hour's publisher rounds by 15 minutes, so that skews the entire set by 1 hour
[09:19] <crimsun> so yeah, should be available in 3 hours
[09:19] <arkygeek> bbl guys... gotta run
[11:09] <chowmeined> i was pleasantly surprised
[11:09] <chowmeined> gutsy worked very well on my system
[11:14] <crimsun> fixed alsa-lib built & available from LP; should be available in 20 minutes.
[11:15] <Enverex> Is anyone ever going to fix the ia32-libs package? It's been broken for a month or two now...
[11:18] <gnomefreak> emonkey-p: iirc its been longer than that
[11:18] <gnomefreak> Enverex: see above
[11:19] <Enverex> Is there actually a reason no-one's got around to fixing it?
[11:20] <gnomefreak> Enverex: more than likely yes
[11:20] <Enverex> hrm
[11:20] <gnomefreak> Enverex: many more important things that people are doing, maybe they are waiting for new version, maybe the person/people just havent gotten to it. best way to get it fixed fast is to fix it ;)
[11:21] <gnomefreak> s/many/maybe
[11:21] <Enverex> Well it's reached the point where I can't update anymore because it tries to do that first and fails and doesn't bother trying to update any other packages. I guess I could version lock it though couldn't I.
[11:22] <gnomefreak> Enverex: yes you can pin it or remove it i would think too but never had to use it
[11:25] <Enverex> I can't remove it as it's a dep for a few things, a big one being Wine and that would make me kinda useless to the Wine project without it
[11:47] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: what, is that still broken?
[11:47] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: he says it is i dont use it since im dont have 64 pc
[11:47] <gnomefreak> +a
[11:50] <Hobbsee> Enverex: the usual mantra is "patches accepted"
[11:51] <Enverex> Hobbsee, I doubt I could get anything I do up to par
[11:51] <gnomefreak> its being worked on
[11:52] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it is now, yes :P
[11:52] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:52] <gnomefreak> it happens
[11:53] <gnomefreak> wait for rush week thats not the name of it, the name slips me atm nothing will be fixed that week ;)
[11:53] <Hobbsee> rush week?
[11:53] <Hobbsee> actually, i was going to poke them for a while about it, i'd forgotten
[11:53] <gnomefreak> its in a few weeks
[11:54] <gnomefreak> cant think of name off hand
[11:54] <gnomefreak> sprint week
[11:54] <Hobbsee> we're not hitting feature freeze already, are we?
[11:54] <gnomefreak> another month or so i think
[11:54] <gnomefreak> end july maybe
[11:54] <gnomefreak> !schedule
[11:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[11:54] <gnomefreak> !gutsy
[11:54] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[11:55] <Hobbsee> bah.  august
[11:55] <gnomefreak> loli forgot it was there
[11:55] <gnomefreak> sprint week is july 12th
[11:56] <Hobbsee> oh, i'ts only june.  right
[11:56] <gnomefreak> yeah and we are having heat that should be in late july august months :(
[11:58] <Hobbsee> dont whine to me about heat.  it's *freezing* here.
[11:58] <gnomefreak> freezing is great to me
[11:58] <coNP> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatIsubuntu/releases seems a *bit* outdated
[11:58] <coNP> whom should I bug to fix it?
[11:58] <gnomefreak> coNP: #ubuntu-docs
[11:59] <gnomefreak> im pretty sure thats the channel name
[11:59] <Hobbsee> #ubuntu-doc perhaps
[11:59] <coNP> thanks, gnomefreak
[11:59] <Hobbsee> or file a bug on ubuntu-website
[11:59] <Hobbsee> 'm not sure which is more appropriate there
[11:59] <gnomefreak> they will tell him to do that anyway most of time
[12:00] <Hobbsee> ah right
[12:00] <coNP> yep I'm also afraid :)
[12:00] <Hobbsee> [20:00]  <pitti> I wonder what would happen if I marked an ia32-libs bug (324 MB orig.tar.gz) as 'bitesize'
[12:00] <gnomefreak> i saw that ;)
[12:04] <Hobbsee> i so wouldnt fix that on my local connection
[12:04] <gnomefreak> me neither way too big. hell i tried building OO.o and got all kinds of space/mem issues
[12:04] <gnomefreak> that is another huge package
[12:12] <coNP> if I want a package to be in gutsy and it is not arriving in debian sid before debianimportfreeze is it possible to include a package till featurefreeze?
[12:13] <gnomefreak> coNP: it will make it a bit harder but it is possible iirc
[12:13] <coNP> gnomefreak: you mean it is better to bug DDs to get it into sid? :)
[12:14] <gnomefreak> coNP: yes, depending on what you mean by bug them
[12:15] <gnomefreak> also depends on package. if its been uploaded to debian than i would ask for a merge for it
[12:16] <gnomefreak> is it a package in universe or multiverse?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> s/in/for
[12:18] <gnomefreak> if its one you built for debian as well as ubuntu than you might beable to just upload it to revu, maybe the great Hobbsee would know better though.
[12:18] <RawSewage_> will Gutsy have Restricted Drivers manager for Kubuntu
[12:19] <gnomefreak> RawSewage_: not sure tbh but i will try to find out in a  minute
[12:19] <RawSewage_> gnomefreak: ok ty
[12:21] <gnomefreak> RawSewage_: someone was looking into it a while ago but atm if someone writes one it should get in
[12:21] <coNP> gnomefreak: main
[12:21] <gnomefreak> someone has it on thier to do list atm
[12:21] <RawSewage_> ok
[12:21] <coNP> gnomefreak: but there is also an uniberse one
[12:22] <gnomefreak> coNP: that might be a bit harder. i would file a wishlist bug on it to find out if it can be included than maybe tag it needs-packaging (the tag name maybe wrong)
[12:23] <coNP> gnomefreak: okay now I filed bugs to include them in gutsy, I hope they will arrive in debian before the freeze
[12:23] <gnomefreak> im not sure the rules on non core devels maintaining main packages
[12:23] <gnomefreak> coNP: what is it?
[12:23] <coNP> gnomefreak: emacs22
[12:24] <coNP> I think it will be in debian soon
[12:24] <coNP> at least I hope it
[12:24] <gnomefreak> oh yeah that you can package send to revu iirc since it is an upgrade of 21 (atleast i think its an upgrade)
[12:24] <gnomefreak> coNP: ask the debian maintainer about it
[12:24] <Hobbsee> coNP: it classes as a new package, so you have until that date.  however, cases can be made for inclusion afterwards, too.
[12:24] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: new package?
[12:24] <gnomefreak> not upgrade from 21
[12:25] <gnomefreak> ?
[12:25] <Hobbsee> oh right, i only saw that bit later
[12:25] <gnomefreak> assuming its an upgrade
[12:25] <Hobbsee> coNP: it's in main, i'd presume a UVFe would get filed.
[12:26] <coNP> gnomefreak: I guess it will be a new package based on the debian emacs packages so far
[12:26] <coNP> emacs20, emacs21,  ...
[12:26] <gnomefreak> coNP: if its an upgrade than feel free to merge it or build it without debian (im fairly sure you can) since we have 21 in repos
[12:27] <gnomefreak> normally nicer/easier to wait for debian package though
[12:28] <gnomefreak> hell you have ~2 months before uni freeze that should be plenty of time
[12:29] <coNP> gnomefreak: not before debian freeze
[12:29] <coNP> and I only asked this now because I saw the discussion above about the release schedule
[12:29] <gnomefreak> coNP: not sure when thier freeze is (and what freeze that may be since sid isnt released
[12:29] <Hobbsee> debian freeze is only when teh autosyncer gets turned off - it's nt oupstream version freeze
[12:30] <Hobbsee> oh blerg.  why is this not building a binary?
[12:30] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: what package?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> kubuntu-restricted-extras
[12:30] <gnomefreak> damn that didnt work
[12:31] <Hobbsee> there we go....
[12:32] <Hobbsee> i think it died as the "please try install me" hook failed.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> easy solution - move the hook dir :P
[03:10] <indraveni> hi all developers
[03:10] <indraveni> I need a small clarification about the shutdown image of the ubuntu
[03:10] <Tm_T> developers?
[03:11] <indraveni> could someone please let me know, where is the coding or designing of ubutnu shutdown/logout image is present
[07:39] <bipolar> Is anyone here running vmware-player on gutsy?
[07:40] <bipolar> Nm. I found the problem. the package is broken :)
[07:46] <bipolar> Cool! Vmware released Vmware Player 2.0
[07:50] <bur[n] er> bipolar: what's the advantage?
[07:55] <h1st0> Any big changes in gusty yet?
[07:55] <Hobbsee> sure.
[07:55] <h1st0> lol
[07:55] <Hobbsee> i believe there were some in the release annoucement and such
[07:55] <Hobbsee> of tribe 1
[07:55] <Tm_T> there was
[07:55] <h1st0> What are they focusing on with tribe?
[07:55] <Tm_T> like "we broke everything, please upgrade!"
[07:56] <Hobbsee> getting the features in, etc.
[07:56] <Hobbsee> merges done, etc
[07:56] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: don't forget breaking (;
[07:56] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: oh that's a side effect.
[07:56] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: like we deliberately break thigns
[07:56] <Hobbsee> okay, excluding my okular upload
[07:56] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: have you seen "aptitude changelog okular"?  *grin*
[07:57] <Hobbsee> okay, the new changelog hasnt published yet
[07:57] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I don't use aptitude but I do have gutsy-changes
[07:57] <Hobbsee> maybe that's because it didnt build.
[07:57] <Hobbsee> that works too :)
[07:57] <Hobbsee> check out the changes file for okular then :P
[07:57] <Tm_T> also no gutsy here yet at all ;-P
[07:57] <h1st0> Well thats what I meant what sort of features are they focusing on?  I'm assuming theres some sort of direction they are headed towards like usability etc..
[07:57] <Hobbsee> bah.  wuss.
[07:57] <Hobbsee> h1st0: check the specs
[07:57] <Hobbsee> !spec
[07:57] <ubotu> A spec is the details (specifications) of the components that make up software or a device. See: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs for specifications in Ubuntu.
[07:58] <h1st0> gotcha
[07:58] <Spec> heya
[07:58] <Hobbsee> hi Spec.  you have an unfortunate nick.
[07:58] <Spec> i made !spec :p
[07:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:00] <knix> Is udevd broken?
[08:00] <bipolar> bur[n] er: USB2 support is a big one
[08:00] <bipolar> the networking modules don't build though
[08:00] <h1st0> Did I mention tilda rocks
[08:02] <h1st0> chatting on irssi while playing cs is just fun.
[08:04] <bur[n] er> !bur[n] er
[08:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bur[n] er - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:04] <bur[n] er> aww... i've introduced myself even, lame bot ;)
[10:45] <emet> will gusty include GRUB 2.0 ?
[10:46] <michaelfavia> which linux meta package should i have installed? (linux-generic linux-386, etc...)
[10:46] <johnnybuoy> is that maintained?
[10:46] <crdlb> michaelfavia, -generic
[10:47] <crdlb> unless you really have a 386
[10:47] <michaelfavia> i have 386 installed now... is this just optimizations?
[10:48] <michaelfavia> i run a Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.66GHz
[10:48] <pwnguin> michaelfavia: if by optimizations you mean smp enabled and 686 instructionset, yes
[10:49] <michaelfavia> thx. swithcing then
[10:52] <gnomefreak> michaelfavia: keep in mind it will boot to 386 kernel after you install -generic by default so either sit there when it boots or change the boot order in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:52] <michaelfavia> thx...
[10:52] <michaelfavia> as a quick aside...
[10:53] <michaelfavia> nm i can fix it..
[10:53] <michaelfavia> i thin i just need to set root() in grub.
[10:53] <gnomefreak> emet: feisty had grub2 in it
[10:54] <gnomefreak> emet: atm grub2 is not default install
[10:55] <johnnybuoy> how is it possible to switch to grub2?
[10:57] <gnomefreak> johnnybuoy: sudo apt-get install grub2
[10:57] <johnnybuoy> and the transition is seamless?
[10:57] <gnomefreak> johnnybuoy: should be but i suggest you back up first if you are worried
[10:58] <johnnybuoy> not, I can fix a bootloader problem, I just wanted to know if it installed itsefl automatically
[10:59] <johnnybuoy> wow, it was semless :D
[10:59] <johnnybuoy> THX
[11:00] <johnnybuoy> zfs for ubuntu ++
[11:01] <gnomefreak> yw
[11:01] <gnomefreak> johnnybuoy: next time try rebooting after installing it
[11:01] <johnnybuoy> :D
[11:01] <johnnybuoy> brb
[11:01] <johnnybuoy> I will :D
[11:01] <gnomefreak> hb
[11:01] <johnnybuoy> ?
[11:02] <johnnybuoy> hb is hoffbrau munhen here...
[11:10] <johnnybuoy> yeah, one needs to know grub language pretty well do use it
[11:11] <gnomefreak> it didnt work?
[11:11] <gnomefreak> as seemlessly as expected is what i meant
[11:11] <johnnybuoy> yeah, huh..
[11:12] <johnnybuoy> where is the damn config file?
[11:12] <gnomefreak> johnnybuoy: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:12] <johnnybuoy> but there is only chainload into grub2
[11:12] <gnomefreak> maybe /boot/grub2/menu.lst  not sure i didnt play with grub2yet
[11:12] <johnnybuoy> it doesn't install itself onto the bootsector?
[11:12] <johnnybuoy> ah..
[11:13] <johnnybuoy> thx for the info :D
[11:13] <gnomefreak> yw
[11:13] <johnnybuoy> yw
[11:13] <johnnybuoy> your worry?
[11:13] <johnnybuoy> hah, sunny
[11:13] <johnnybuoy> funny
[11:15] <johnnybuoy> well thxyawys
[11:28] <shaya> anyone using latex in gutsy?
[11:30] <shaya> trying to figure out what package twocolumn.sty is in?