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DanaGWow, mirrors.kernel.org sure has some bandwidth!12:53
DanaG20 thousand kilobytes per second when on GbE in Cal Poly computer lab.12:53
DanaGOr 18000, at least.12:53
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crimsunthat's because both servers are connected to individual gigE links.12:55
crimsunkernel.org has had these two gigE links for some time12:55
DanaGIs it one link per server, or two?12:56
crimsunone link per server.12:56
crimsuneach has its own gigE12:56
DanaGHmmm, /me checks what 1024x1024 is...12:57
DanaGAah, more than enough.12:58
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cablesDoes Alpha 1 have bulletproof x?01:01
crimsunno.01:01
cablesIs that going to be in Gutsy final?01:01
crimsunif it's milestoned for it.01:02
cablesI thought I saw something about it in the changelog, but ok01:02
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coreyIs it a common problem for Laptop users with ATi graphics to not being able to boot into the desktop install cd's?  I've had the problem on two different laptops over the last couple versions of ubuntu (including gutsy)01:29
crimsunyes01:29
crimsunthe x* don't appear to respect VESA01:29
coreyany word on if any progress is being made? or can be made?01:30
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DanaGThat's odd: recently gnome-power-manager has gotten out of whack.02:17
DanaGIt will say I have 0% battery left, when the panel applet indicates 40%.02:17
DanaG...oh, somehow "Use time for policy" got checked.02:17
RAOFIt's not the crazy "30% battery power left, 2 minutes remaining" thing?02:18
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DanaG5 minutes, 44%.02:18
DanaGI guess that IS the same thing.02:18
DanaGOh, and I need to file a bug on brightness control:02:19
DanaGThe backlight sysfs class does not provide "available levels", so GPM tries to set adjacent integer values,02:20
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DanaGwhen the BIOS only allows steps of ~12.5, rounded up or down.02:21
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DanaGOh, and if it TRIES to go between, the backlight goes entirely OFF.02:29
RAOFDanaG: If you let your battery pretty much fully discarge (while g-p-m is running), g-p-m will actually have some good data and will no longer think 30% is critical :)02:30
DanaGIt never used to think that, however.02:30
RAOFNo, it's because it's now maintaining a history of how long it takes your battery to discarge.02:31
RAOFIt desperately needs some tweaking for when it *doesn't* have any good data, but after a while it converges to a good estimate.02:32
RAOFIt also now has a good estimate for how long the battery takes to charge, which is pretty cool.02:34
crimsunjust don't do it on an EOL'd battery like I am.02:35
crimsunin fact, when I plug in now, I remove the battery02:35
RAOFWhy?  I thought the new system should handle crappy batteries well.02:36
DanaGWill the inhibit applet prevent it from shutting down, so I can test it?02:37
RAOFI just set it to "do nothing" when on critical battery power.02:37
RAOFAlthough I've turned that back on, now that g-p-m actually has some data.02:38
DanaGOdd, the brightness thingy BLINKS as it changes.02:39
RAOFHm, maybe that algorithm needs a little bit of tweaking.  I doubt I'll get 3 hours out of this battery while running a VM, building compiz, and on 100% brightness :)02:39
DanaGBright-off-medium-off-dim.02:40
DanaGAnd if I left it at default, it would be stopping at OFF.02:40
RAOFCool :)02:40
DanaGIt's like GPM is trying to fade.02:41
DanaGIt'd be cool if it worked, but /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video{0,1} doesn't list the discrete levels.02:42
DanaGin any file in those dirs.02:42
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DanaGOh yeah, have any of you tried the new 100.whatever NVIDIA driver?02:43
RAOFNope.  The next nvidia driver I try will be nouveau.02:44
DanaGIt seems to have working hotkey display switching -- except for the "changing resolution" part -- it stays at the original res rather than at the new device's desired.02:44
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RAOFYay.  Does that mean it might actually resume-from-suspend with Compiz?02:45
DanaGI've been using Beryl with resume -- just with NvAGP set to 0 or 1.02:46
DanaGRight now it's set to 0 both in the modprobe.d file and in xorg.conf.02:46
RAOFOh, cool02:47
DanaGRandom topic change: why doesn't the /etc/ssh/ssh_config file have a timeout set by default?02:47
DanaGUntil I added one, I'd get the client randomly freezing (blocking), requiring a kill.02:48
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DanaGArgh, Xorg is eating 50% CPU, for some reason.02:53
RAOFHeh.02:55
RAOFIncidentally, why are you using Beryl?  The compcomm stuff has hit Gutsy.02:55
crdlbRAOF, it has?02:56
crdlbI thought it was still held up02:56
crdlbthere was a name conflict on libccs02:56
DanaGI like being on GbE at Cal Poly:02:58
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DanaG20000 kilobytes per second is INSANE, compared to Charter's 3 megabits.02:58
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RAOFcrdlb: Oh, really?  I'm not using it, I just saw some compcomm-plugins-* go through on the gutsy-changes RSS feed.03:13
DanaGArgh, my hard drive keeps spinning up and down.03:19
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DanaGspin UP spin down.  spin UP spin down. .... wait....... spin (oh, you get the idea.)03:24
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DanaGUp, Down, up, down, up, down, up, down -- how do I stop it?03:52
DanaG.....and up and down.03:55
PumpernickleWhat's using it?03:59
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gnomefreaksounds like kernel or hd is on its way out04:00
gnomefreakthis is of course if DanaG had already checked for outlaw apps running and has rebooted and still gets it04:02
gnomefreaks/if/assuming04:02
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DanaGIt's more like hdparm is set wrong -- stopping laptop-mode doesn't unset what it sets.04:06
gnomefreakDanaG: not sure. if it was something iubuntu set up in hdparm than most of the users in here would complain, but i dont have this issue on neither gutsy laptop or desktop04:08
gnomefreak-i04:08
gnomefreakunless ofcourse you have some odd hd model or if you changed the default config04:09
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gnomefreakonly real way to be sure is to install feisty on that hd if it still does it than you know what it is, if it doesnt do it upgrade to gutsy see if it does it than as well if it does than there is an issue in gutsy packages04:11
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DanaGI remember I changed the settings; what's the command line way to disable spindown?04:19
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DanaGaah, got it -- sudo hdparm -S 0 /dev/sda04:21
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Jordan_UI hope the font and title bar etc being smaller is not a bug, I really like it :)06:44
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RAOFSigh at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=47150108:47
crdlb"following the guide on ubuntuguide" :/08:48
RAOFThat's a bad start.08:48
RAOFJust... urgh.08:49
crdlb How to upgrade from Feisty Fawn -> Gutsy Gibbon08:49
crdlb    * Use these repos if you are /not/ afraid of breakage.08:49
crdlbthat's all it says :O08:49
RAOFIndeed.08:50
RAOFAlso, there's really no sane way to downgrade to Feisty.  Poor fool.08:51
Hobbseethere isnt08:53
Hobbseeapart from a reinstall08:53
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coNPactually the package pinning is a good method to revert to (almost-)Feisty08:53
coNPI did it many time dancing between Dapper and Edgy08:53
Hobbseeyeah, but that's hardly good for users who are looking at the ubuntuguide08:54
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coNPWhat is the politically correct way to refer to a user whose gender is not known? I am serious (and non-native of course) :)08:56
coNPI wanted to say he / she and stuck :)08:56
Hobbseethey08:57
Hobbseeyou can also usually get away with "he"08:57
crdlbpolitically but not grammatically correct :P08:57
Hobbseeas the gender balance is skewed08:57
coNPIt is a real shame on us08:58
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coNPOkay, thanks. Someone intends to reply him or should I?08:59
RAOFAlready have done.08:59
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arkygeekhi folks.09:10
arkygeeki am sitting here contemplating putting gutsy on my office box....09:12
arkygeekHost/Kernel/OS  "arkygeek-office" running Linux 2.6.20.10-slh-smp-1 i686 [ sidux-20070110-d:4 ] 09:12
arkygeekCPU Info        (1) Intel Core2 6400 @ 2048 KB cache flags( sse sse2 lm pni vmx ) clocked at [ 2135.275 MHz ] 09:12
arkygeek                (2) Intel Core2 6400 @ 2048 KB cache flags( sse sse2 lm pni vmx ) clocked at [ 2135.275 MHz ] 09:12
arkygeekVideocard       nVidia NV44 [GeForce 6200 LE]   X.Org 1.3.0  [ 2560x1024 @85hz ] 09:12
arkygeekNetwork cards   RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI09:12
arkygeek                VIA VT6102 [Rhine-II] , at port: e80009:12
arkygeekProcesses 116 | Uptime 21days | Memory 422.4/1010.9MB | HDD ATA Maxtor 6V160E0 Size 160GB (62%used) | GLX Renderer GeForce 6200 LE/PCI/SSE2 | GLX Version 2.1.0 NVIDIA 97.55 | Client Konversation 1.0.1 | Infobash v2.6209:12
arkygeekopinions?09:12
crdlbargh09:12
coNParkygeek: does your boss tolerate a not working computer / employee? :)09:12
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arkygeekheh - im a post grad research student ;-)09:13
coNP"research" is a good point of view, gutsy is very much in research state now :)09:13
arkygeekyou running it coNP ?09:13
RAOFMan, I wish I had that sort of access to my Uni box.09:14
RAOFFrikkin Suse 2.ancient.09:14
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arkygeekcoNP: so what are some of your favorite features/changes to gutsy from feisty?09:14
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=== RAOF has feisty on a home server, gutsy on his laptop
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crimsunheads-up for anyone considering updating: alsa-lib is likely to be broken if you use libasound2-plugins09:17
crimsunI've committed the fix; it should build in 1.5 hrs and be available on archive.uc about 1.5 hours after that09:18
Hobbseecrimsun: yummy :)09:18
RAOFNice estimates.09:18
crimsunwell, I missed this hour's publisher rounds by 15 minutes, so that skews the entire set by 1 hour09:18
crimsunso yeah, should be available in 3 hours09:19
arkygeekbbl guys... gotta run09:19
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chowmeinedi was pleasantly surprised11:09
chowmeinedgutsy worked very well on my system11:09
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crimsunfixed alsa-lib built & available from LP; should be available in 20 minutes.11:14
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EnverexIs anyone ever going to fix the ia32-libs package? It's been broken for a month or two now...11:15
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gnomefreakemonkey-p: iirc its been longer than that11:18
gnomefreakEnverex: see above11:18
EnverexIs there actually a reason no-one's got around to fixing it?11:19
gnomefreakEnverex: more than likely yes11:20
Enverexhrm11:20
gnomefreakEnverex: many more important things that people are doing, maybe they are waiting for new version, maybe the person/people just havent gotten to it. best way to get it fixed fast is to fix it ;)11:20
gnomefreaks/many/maybe11:21
EnverexWell it's reached the point where I can't update anymore because it tries to do that first and fails and doesn't bother trying to update any other packages. I guess I could version lock it though couldn't I.11:21
gnomefreakEnverex: yes you can pin it or remove it i would think too but never had to use it11:22
EnverexI can't remove it as it's a dep for a few things, a big one being Wine and that would make me kinda useless to the Wine project without it11:25
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Hobbseegnomefreak: what, is that still broken?11:47
gnomefreakHobbsee: he says it is i dont use it since im dont have 64 pc11:47
gnomefreak+a11:47
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HobbseeEnverex: the usual mantra is "patches accepted"11:50
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EnverexHobbsee, I doubt I could get anything I do up to par11:51
gnomefreakits being worked on11:51
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Hobbseegnomefreak: it is now, yes :P11:52
gnomefreaklol11:52
gnomefreakit happens11:52
gnomefreakwait for rush week thats not the name of it, the name slips me atm nothing will be fixed that week ;)11:53
Hobbseerush week?11:53
Hobbseeactually, i was going to poke them for a while about it, i'd forgotten11:53
gnomefreakits in a few weeks11:53
gnomefreakcant think of name off hand11:54
gnomefreaksprint week11:54
Hobbseewe're not hitting feature freeze already, are we?11:54
gnomefreakanother month or so i think11:54
gnomefreakend july maybe11:54
gnomefreak!schedule11:54
ubotuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases11:54
gnomefreak!gutsy11:54
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+111:54
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Hobbseebah.  august11:55
gnomefreakloli forgot it was there11:55
gnomefreaksprint week is july 12th11:55
Hobbseeoh, i'ts only june.  right11:56
gnomefreakyeah and we are having heat that should be in late july august months :(11:56
Hobbseedont whine to me about heat.  it's *freezing* here.11:58
gnomefreakfreezing is great to me11:58
coNPhttp://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatIsubuntu/releases seems a *bit* outdated11:58
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coNPwhom should I bug to fix it?11:58
gnomefreakcoNP: #ubuntu-docs11:58
gnomefreakim pretty sure thats the channel name11:59
Hobbsee#ubuntu-doc perhaps11:59
coNPthanks, gnomefreak11:59
Hobbseeor file a bug on ubuntu-website11:59
Hobbsee'm not sure which is more appropriate there11:59
gnomefreakthey will tell him to do that anyway most of time11:59
Hobbseeah right12:00
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coNPyep I'm also afraid :)12:00
Hobbsee[20:00]  <pitti> I wonder what would happen if I marked an ia32-libs bug (324 MB orig.tar.gz) as 'bitesize'12:00
gnomefreaki saw that ;)12:00
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Hobbseei so wouldnt fix that on my local connection12:04
gnomefreakme neither way too big. hell i tried building OO.o and got all kinds of space/mem issues12:04
gnomefreakthat is another huge package12:04
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coNPif I want a package to be in gutsy and it is not arriving in debian sid before debianimportfreeze is it possible to include a package till featurefreeze?12:12
gnomefreakcoNP: it will make it a bit harder but it is possible iirc12:13
coNPgnomefreak: you mean it is better to bug DDs to get it into sid? :)12:13
gnomefreakcoNP: yes, depending on what you mean by bug them12:14
gnomefreakalso depends on package. if its been uploaded to debian than i would ask for a merge for it12:15
gnomefreakis it a package in universe or multiverse?12:16
gnomefreaks/in/for12:16
gnomefreakif its one you built for debian as well as ubuntu than you might beable to just upload it to revu, maybe the great Hobbsee would know better though.12:18
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RawSewage_will Gutsy have Restricted Drivers manager for Kubuntu12:18
gnomefreakRawSewage_: not sure tbh but i will try to find out in a  minute12:19
RawSewage_gnomefreak: ok ty12:19
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gnomefreakRawSewage_: someone was looking into it a while ago but atm if someone writes one it should get in12:21
coNPgnomefreak: main12:21
gnomefreaksomeone has it on thier to do list atm12:21
RawSewage_ok12:21
coNPgnomefreak: but there is also an uniberse one12:21
gnomefreakcoNP: that might be a bit harder. i would file a wishlist bug on it to find out if it can be included than maybe tag it needs-packaging (the tag name maybe wrong)12:22
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coNPgnomefreak: okay now I filed bugs to include them in gutsy, I hope they will arrive in debian before the freeze12:23
gnomefreakim not sure the rules on non core devels maintaining main packages12:23
gnomefreakcoNP: what is it?12:23
coNPgnomefreak: emacs2212:23
coNPI think it will be in debian soon12:24
coNPat least I hope it12:24
gnomefreakoh yeah that you can package send to revu iirc since it is an upgrade of 21 (atleast i think its an upgrade)12:24
gnomefreakcoNP: ask the debian maintainer about it12:24
HobbseecoNP: it classes as a new package, so you have until that date.  however, cases can be made for inclusion afterwards, too.12:24
gnomefreakHobbsee: new package?12:24
gnomefreaknot upgrade from 2112:24
gnomefreak?12:25
Hobbseeoh right, i only saw that bit later12:25
gnomefreakassuming its an upgrade12:25
HobbseecoNP: it's in main, i'd presume a UVFe would get filed.12:25
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=== coNP cannot live without "The One True Editor" :)
coNPgnomefreak: I guess it will be a new package based on the debian emacs packages so far12:26
coNPemacs20, emacs21,  ...12:26
gnomefreakcoNP: if its an upgrade than feel free to merge it or build it without debian (im fairly sure you can) since we have 21 in repos12:26
gnomefreaknormally nicer/easier to wait for debian package though12:27
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gnomefreakhell you have ~2 months before uni freeze that should be plenty of time12:28
coNPgnomefreak: not before debian freeze12:29
coNPand I only asked this now because I saw the discussion above about the release schedule12:29
gnomefreakcoNP: not sure when thier freeze is (and what freeze that may be since sid isnt released12:29
Hobbseedebian freeze is only when teh autosyncer gets turned off - it's nt oupstream version freeze12:29
Hobbseeoh blerg.  why is this not building a binary?12:30
gnomefreakHobbsee: what package?12:30
Hobbseekubuntu-restricted-extras12:30
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gnomefreakdamn that didnt work12:30
Hobbseethere we go....12:31
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Hobbseei think it died as the "please try install me" hook failed.12:32
Hobbseeeasy solution - move the hook dir :P12:32
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indravenihi all developers03:10
indraveniI need a small clarification about the shutdown image of the ubuntu03:10
Tm_Tdevelopers?03:10
indravenicould someone please let me know, where is the coding or designing of ubutnu shutdown/logout image is present03:11
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bipolarIs anyone here running vmware-player on gutsy?07:39
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bipolarNm. I found the problem. the package is broken :)07:40
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bipolarCool! Vmware released Vmware Player 2.007:46
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bur[n] erbipolar: what's the advantage?07:50
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h1st0Any big changes in gusty yet?07:55
Hobbseesure.07:55
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h1st0lol07:55
Hobbseei believe there were some in the release annoucement and such07:55
Hobbseeof tribe 107:55
Tm_Tthere was07:55
h1st0What are they focusing on with tribe?07:55
Tm_Tlike "we broke everything, please upgrade!"07:55
Hobbseegetting the features in, etc.07:56
Hobbseemerges done, etc07:56
Tm_THobbsee: don't forget breaking (;07:56
HobbseeTm_T: oh that's a side effect.07:56
HobbseeTm_T: like we deliberately break thigns07:56
Hobbseeokay, excluding my okular upload07:56
HobbseeTm_T: have you seen "aptitude changelog okular"?  *grin*07:56
Hobbseeokay, the new changelog hasnt published yet07:57
Tm_THobbsee: I don't use aptitude but I do have gutsy-changes07:57
Hobbseemaybe that's because it didnt build.07:57
Hobbseethat works too :)07:57
Hobbseecheck out the changes file for okular then :P07:57
Tm_Talso no gutsy here yet at all ;-P07:57
h1st0Well thats what I meant what sort of features are they focusing on?  I'm assuming theres some sort of direction they are headed towards like usability etc..07:57
Hobbseebah.  wuss.07:57
Hobbseeh1st0: check the specs07:57
Hobbsee!spec07:57
ubotuA spec is the details (specifications) of the components that make up software or a device. See: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs for specifications in Ubuntu.07:57
h1st0gotcha07:58
Specheya07:58
Hobbseehi Spec.  you have an unfortunate nick.07:58
Speci made !spec :p07:58
Hobbseehehe07:58
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knixIs udevd broken?08:00
bipolarbur[n] er: USB2 support is a big one08:00
bipolarthe networking modules don't build though08:00
h1st0Did I mention tilda rocks08:00
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h1st0chatting on irssi while playing cs is just fun.08:02
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bur[n] er!bur[n] er08:04
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about bur[n] er - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:04
bur[n] eraww... i've introduced myself even, lame bot ;)08:04
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emetwill gusty include GRUB 2.0 ?10:45
michaelfaviawhich linux meta package should i have installed? (linux-generic linux-386, etc...)10:46
johnnybuoyis that maintained?10:46
crdlbmichaelfavia, -generic10:46
crdlbunless you really have a 38610:47
michaelfaviai have 386 installed now... is this just optimizations?10:47
michaelfaviai run a Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.66GHz10:48
pwnguinmichaelfavia: if by optimizations you mean smp enabled and 686 instructionset, yes10:48
michaelfaviathx. swithcing then10:49
gnomefreakmichaelfavia: keep in mind it will boot to 386 kernel after you install -generic by default so either sit there when it boots or change the boot order in /boot/grub/menu.lst10:52
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michaelfaviathx...10:52
michaelfaviaas a quick aside...10:52
michaelfavianm i can fix it..10:53
michaelfaviai thin i just need to set root() in grub.10:53
gnomefreakemet: feisty had grub2 in it10:53
gnomefreakemet: atm grub2 is not default install10:54
johnnybuoyhow is it possible to switch to grub2?10:55
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gnomefreakjohnnybuoy: sudo apt-get install grub210:57
johnnybuoyand the transition is seamless?10:57
gnomefreakjohnnybuoy: should be but i suggest you back up first if you are worried10:57
johnnybuoynot, I can fix a bootloader problem, I just wanted to know if it installed itsefl automatically10:58
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johnnybuoywow, it was semless :D10:59
johnnybuoyTHX10:59
johnnybuoyzfs for ubuntu ++11:00
gnomefreakyw11:01
gnomefreakjohnnybuoy: next time try rebooting after installing it11:01
johnnybuoy:D11:01
johnnybuoybrb11:01
johnnybuoyI will :D11:01
gnomefreakhb11:01
johnnybuoy?11:01
johnnybuoyhb is hoffbrau munhen here...11:02
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johnnybuoyyeah, one needs to know grub language pretty well do use it11:10
gnomefreakit didnt work?11:11
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gnomefreakas seemlessly as expected is what i meant11:11
johnnybuoyyeah, huh..11:11
johnnybuoywhere is the damn config file?11:12
gnomefreakjohnnybuoy: /boot/grub/menu.lst11:12
johnnybuoybut there is only chainload into grub211:12
gnomefreakmaybe /boot/grub2/menu.lst  not sure i didnt play with grub2yet11:12
johnnybuoyit doesn't install itself onto the bootsector?11:12
johnnybuoyah..11:12
johnnybuoythx for the info :D11:13
gnomefreakyw11:13
johnnybuoyyw11:13
johnnybuoyyour worry?11:13
johnnybuoyhah, sunny11:13
johnnybuoyfunny11:13
johnnybuoywell thxyawys11:15
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=== gnomefreak never worries
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shayaanyone using latex in gutsy?11:28
shayatrying to figure out what package twocolumn.sty is in?11:30
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