[12:29] tgm4883, thats essentially what we are doing with ubiquity [12:29] the advantage of the alt is needing less ram [12:29] is installing that env to disk, and then taking out whats not needed [12:29] or have an alternate install in the boot up menu that requires the user to create and mount a swap partition [12:30] oh thats a possibility [12:30] well actually its a little known fact, but linux can use swapfiles [12:30] so if they are given the option to create a swapfile on a mountable writable disk [12:30] in ubiquity? [12:31] or would that have to be earlier [12:31] well as a boot option, Start or Install Mythbuntu (W/ swap file) [12:31] or something to that effect [12:31] and when that option is chosen, once the live env starts, open up a gui that chooses somewhere to put the swapfile [12:31] from the avail partitions on usb drives, hard drives, etc [12:32] question, where are you putting the swap file on the hard drive? wouldn't that mess with the mythbuntu partitioning? [12:33] oh good point [12:33] where as a swap partition could be used by the live env, then kept as the swap partition for mythbuntu [12:33] so it'd have to be somewhere that is not being used to install [12:33] but that assumes that you come in with a swap partition already there [12:34] true, unless you can do that from the live env, or have an alt install method that loads the alt partition manager, then the live env [12:35] Ideally, if the partitioning was first, then the swap partition could be used in all installs [12:36] some sort of mounting of the swap partition in the live env [12:36] the swap can be of use to the live frontend too though [12:39] the alt partition manager is being removed from the next ubiquity version [12:39] that i need to merge with [12:39] is it possible to have ubiquity make a swap partition and then shift everything to that instead of the ramdisk? [12:43] if so, thats gonna be tough [12:44] dunno but cant you put the swap on a usb stick? most people got one laying around .. but im just pulling stuff out of my ass .. so dont know if its even possible? :p [12:44] kruuli, that's what I was thinking [12:44] would be a good idea [12:44] you can [12:44] oh cool ^^ [12:44] that would work [12:46] kruuli, hopefully we dont have to come to that though, I anticipate a vanilla ISO that isn't launching these extra services and needing to upgrade apps will be much better [12:46] and more apt to fit in that little 256 MB [12:46] especially since we're not starting the gnome bloat [12:46] once final, installing should be able to be done without updating first [12:47] so this may be a moo point? [12:47] could we offer the chance to have gnome for the dm when they are installing? [12:47] DaveMorris, in the current incarnation, that would be very difficult [12:47] because adding anything to the install is less straightforward than one would hope [12:47] I mean they pull them down from the web [12:48] hell yeah! past 83% now! :DD [12:48] I wonder how big the disk would be if it included ubuntu-desktop [12:48] kruuli, :) [12:48] why would you want gnome? unless were also adding more options to the type of machine (ie desktop, frontend, backend) [12:48] tgm4883, that'd be the reason i see [12:48] tgm4883 some people just prefer gnome [12:48] some people prefer kde [12:49] we could offer on a DVD possibly [12:49] DaveMorris, true, but on a mythtv system without a desktop? [12:49] for configuring etc [12:50] I exit out of mythtv to play music at parties with xmms [12:50] oh see we use mythvideo and VLC with playlists [12:50] for our parties [12:50] we have some 250 music videos that are cycled through === DaveMorris has over 4k songs ripped from the CD's I own [12:51] and mythmusic sucks as UI for that [12:51] indeed [12:52] and I like the way you can find a song in xmms and press 'Q' which then queues it to play. And if someone keeps on manually selecting songs to play it stays in the queue [12:53] you might look into amarok though for managing that at parties [12:53] its got a bit nicer of an interface for people to handle [12:53] on a 23" PAL screen? [12:53] and that way they can "search" for artists [12:53] oh ya [12:53] rhythbox is un usable on it [12:53] bump up the DPI [12:54] and font sizes [12:54] and its surely doable [12:54] oh, I can see it, its just coz the font it big, so the actuall UI ends up twice the size of my screen [12:55] amarok is pretty customizable when it comes to UI though [12:55] you should at least give it a look [12:55] I will do [12:57] sweet! [12:58] mythbuntu is now up and running! :D [12:58] yay :) [12:58] <-- happy camper [12:58] thanks again yall for all the help you provided [12:58] ill hit the sack for now and start the configuration tomorrow :D [12:58] kruuli, thanks for your input in getting things going here [12:59] kruuli, you should start do it now actually [12:59] why is that? :o [12:59] its not necessairly straightforward to get into [12:59] after the first time its launched [12:59] in mythbuntu's current incarnation [12:59] oh ok .. theres noway to start that guide again? [01:00] well i guess its not too bad, just you have to exit the frontend and then login to the regular session [01:00] with the user you created [01:00] and open mythtv-setup from that [01:00] ok how do i exit the frontend? [01:01] escape [01:01] and then pick exit [01:01] (better take notes right away cuz im prolly gonna need to go thru the guide again) :p [01:01] oh ok and then just login again with my mythuser.. how do i start the mythsetup again? [01:02] login with the user you created during install, not 'mythtv' [01:02] there is an icon on the desktop [01:02] for it [01:02] it will stop the backend, open setup for you [01:02] i see .. sweet will try it right away [01:03] its kinda hard to come up with a cleaner way to do things than that [01:03] but mythtv-setup's launch is going to be moved into ubiquity once i sort some other bugs [01:04] think that is pretty strait forward tbh :) [01:05] well what do i know :) [01:05] bug 93774 [01:05] Launchpad bug 93774 in mythtv "mythtv-setup scan only finds channels when it already has 'transports' defined" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93774 [01:05] DaveMorris, is that fixed in 0.20-fixes? [01:05] or just head [01:06] I assume fixes since it was fixed a while ago [01:07] Ok i'll close it up [01:10] New bug: #102964 in mythtv "Waited too long for video out to pause" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102964 [01:10] New bug: #109950 in mythtv (multiverse) "mythtv-database configuration cannot connect to MySQL database" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109950 [01:11] night all [01:11] night DaveMorris [01:12] nn DaveMorris [01:15] New bug: #93774 in mythtv "mythtv-setup scan only finds channels when it already has 'transports' defined" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93774 [01:30] everything seems to be working just fine [01:30] gonna get some sleep now [01:30] cool [01:30] thanks again! :) [01:30] night kruuli [01:30] glad things worked out well for you [01:30] nn mate [01:30] yeah me 2 :p === OpenMedia [n=sellis@203.163.71.197] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === varka_ [n=varkatop@p54A5FDCB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === CDG52 [n=cdg52@cpe-76-188-166-88.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:13] superm1, Daviey , i'll do the multi alias tonight while i'm at work [07:13] ( e.g. in the next ~3 hours ) [07:13] shouldent be that hard [07:14] imbrandon, great [07:14] that will at least give us something while canonical tries to sort this mailing list business [07:15] mdke sent an email around to jono elmo and sabdfl, but i'm not sure whats coming of it === lengau [n=lengau@c-76-22-213-228.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === gizmobay [n=mythtv@VDSL-130-13-209-163.PHNX.QWEST.NET] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:25] Whats the multi alias? [07:26] OpenMedia, for a make shift mailing list [07:26] until canonical gets ours sorted out [07:26] Ah.. [07:26] So who is going to be at Ubuntu Live? Bit pricey from NZ but i'm trying to organise it [07:26] I will be :) [07:26] i'll be talking at the Ubuntu talk [07:27] for mythtv === gizmobay [n=mythtv@VDSL-130-13-209-163.PHNX.QWEST.NET] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:27] One reason we want to attend [07:27] imbrandon and keescook will both be there too === CDG52 [n=cdg52@cpe-76-188-166-88.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:27] so much to possibly talk about, still have to sort out the presentation === gizmobay [n=mythtv@VDSL-130-13-209-163.PHNX.QWEST.NET] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] [07:28] any idea why mythbuntu would reboot after it loads frontend? i got it fully installed on one hd but i ran out of space [07:29] CDG52, yes [07:29] so i installed it on a 20gb drive i got it to configure and right after config it reboots and now everytime it utrns on it reboots [07:29] o? [07:29] whys it rebooting? [07:29] if the drive is filled, it can't write out the theme cache to ~/.mythtv [07:29] so it would kill mythfrontend [07:29] so it reboots? [07:29] err [07:29] and restart X [07:29] but not 'reboot' [07:29] i dont think the drive is failing [07:29] but it is old [07:30] heck the other drive was older it was a 1.5gb [07:30] atleast i stuck a 20gb in it [07:30] i cant believe you got away with the 1.5 as long as you did :) [07:30] haha [07:30] hey it lasted a whole 10mins of tv! [07:30] lol [07:30] then it frooze [07:30] >_< [07:30] CDG52, what kind of video card do you have in there right now? [07:31] um whatever this compaq came with [07:31] i suppose it would be a built in intel video [07:31] ah okay [07:31] why? [07:31] well i was going to say if you have an nvidia or ati - you should at least turn on proprietary drivers [07:32] yeah [07:32] i think i had it [07:32] hmm so is there anyway i can atleast get the backend to start without the front or does that require a new install [07:32] because i just found a windows front end that i could use [07:33] the backend does start when the pc starts [07:33] but xreboots [07:33] which makes the computers screen black [07:33] and leaves me screwed [07:33] its every time, so its like an endless reboot cycle? [07:33] every time i turn it on [07:33] once xrestarts it just sits there [07:34] pretends to be running [07:34] but doesnt reboot [07:34] just sits at that blank screen? [07:34] not exactly sure [07:34] every time i reboot it does the same thing also [07:34] could you hit CTRL-ALT-F1 [07:34] and see if you get a prompt [07:34] so for all i know is it is rebooted [07:35] ok let me boot it up [07:35] can at least login and see where things are sitting [07:36] what do you mean [07:36] if you hit ctrl alt f1 and get a prompt [07:36] you can login there [07:36] o yeah [07:36] it shows it [07:36] wow [07:36] and see what processes are still running [07:36] lol [07:36] and what the Xorg.0.log says [07:37] if you could remind me where that is [07:37] its in /etc/X11/xorg [07:37] ? [07:37] /var/log/Xorg.0.log [07:37] ah is that different from ubuntu? [07:38] Nope [07:38] same thing [07:38] weird [07:38] /etc/X11 has your xorg.conf [07:38] o wait right [07:38] that has the settings for X [07:38] says font paths arnt there [07:39] says X11/fonts/misc is gone [07:40] same with cyrillic [07:40] and Type1 [07:40] those shouldnt be show stopping [07:40] though for starting X [07:40] hmm [07:40] i couldnt find anything and thats the last error [07:40] checkout /home/mythtv/.xsession-errors [07:40] and see if that says anything informative [07:41] ok [07:42] i/o warning: failed to load external entity " debain-menu.xml" [07:42] i shortened that [07:42] thats ok [07:42] thats normaly [07:42] there [07:42] same with rc.xml [07:42] still not a big deal [07:43] nothing about mythfrontend crashing [07:43] ok [07:43] because no ram [07:43] or disk space or anythign like that? [07:43] database scheme upgrade failed, unlocking? [07:43] that could possibly be it [07:44] how would i stop that? [07:44] well that sounds like some level of corruption right in the database [07:44] if it couldnt upgrade the schema [07:44] which can be caused by a variety of things [07:44] this wasnt the disk that filled up right? [07:44] correct [07:45] this is a newly formated 20gb [07:45] old drive but just formated it [07:45] you might have hit the really random bug that we have noticed on the forums where there is sometimes a database corruption [07:45] for no particular reason [07:45] ah [07:45] lol [07:45] so anyway to redo the database? [07:45] from that console, sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server-5.0 mythtv-database && sudo apt-get install mythtv [07:46] ugh lots of typing [07:46] it will ask you to drop the database, which you just say okay [07:46] then remove /home/mythtv/.mythtv and restart the comp [07:46] it will ask you to redo mythtv-setup [07:47] mine said nothing [07:47] which [07:47] it asked for a password then showed the new line thing for my user [07:47] try that as two commands [07:47] sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server-5.0 mythtv-database [07:47] followed by [07:47] sudo apt-get install mythtv [07:48] u wouldnt know hte rootpassword? [07:48] if you'ld like to become root, then just sudo su [07:48] i tired [07:48] that didnt work [07:48] lol [07:48] your logged in as the user created during install right? [07:48] yup [07:49] all it does it push me back into that user [07:49] if i logout [07:49] and tyupe in root [07:49] and hit enter for password [07:49] it says login incorrect [07:49] you cant do that, [07:49] the root password isnt setup on ubuntu [07:49] just do the command as sudo [07:49] sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server-5.0 mythtv-database [07:50] and see if it is handled that way (without worrying about the fact that you can't sudo su) [07:50] its printing no output [07:50] that's really really strange [07:50] your telling me [07:51] i tried sudo reboot [07:51] and still nothing [07:51] didnt even reboot [07:51] lol [07:51] type groups [07:51] and see what groups it says your in [07:52] user adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner powerdev mythtv lpadmin admin [07:52] well your in admin [07:52] thats the one that can sudo [07:52] yeah [07:53] type whoami [07:53] does your regular username come up? [07:53] eh im gonna do safemode ubuntu [07:53] or as its called recovery [07:55] this is working [07:55] OK [07:55] really odd stuff there though [07:56] yeah [07:56] um install mythtv [07:56] doesnt work it says already done [07:56] o wops [07:56] it says package not avalible [07:56] lol [07:56] do you not have network in recovery mode? [07:56] i do have it [07:57] i just did a apt-get update [07:57] hmm some upgrades [07:57] ill install those then try it again [07:57] ok [07:59] ok it worked [07:59] its installing now [07:59] good good [08:00] hey got a question about irc [08:00] idk if you know [08:00] any idea how to get chanserv to sit in ur room to keep it alive? [08:00] like this room [08:00] you have to request it from the freenode guys [08:01] ah [08:01] i was wondering that [08:02] ugh setup again [08:02] and getting things like ubotu and ubuntulog need to be requested from the Ubuntu Ops [08:02] ah [08:02] hey quess what happened again [08:02] lol [08:03] after the setup [08:03] you didnt go through all the steps again [08:03] and things didnt come up? [08:03] i did [08:03] iwent through the 3 page setup thing [08:04] and it said strange [08:04] on one of the windows while filing the database [08:04] then it asked me to do it again [08:04] i went through it [08:04] and i took me to a blackscreen [08:04] i really wonder what this black screen is all about for you, whats really happening on it [08:04] no idea [08:05] ok so new issues [08:05] log says [08:05] Can you press Alt+Tab on the back screen and pull up other windows? [08:05] mythtv @ localhost [08:05] denied access [08:05] Has your machine changed name since it booted? [08:05] no alt-tab [08:05] nope [08:05] Sounds like an X permission issue [08:05] when you removed mysql-server-5.0, you did drop the database right [08:06] when it asked you to [08:06] i did everything yo usaid [08:06] followed what you siad [08:07] well i'm about pretty confused here then what it could be. [08:07] hmm yeah [08:07] i would just burn a new cd and reinstall it [08:07] but im out of cd's [08:07] perhaps atm, it might be better to just use a regular ubuntu install - and mythtv on top of it [08:07] haha [08:07] until we have some other things sorted out with mythbuntu [08:07] yeah [08:08] because your using about as bleeding edge as it gets with the stuff we're working on [08:08] ever hear of tvtime? [08:08] yes [08:08] any good for just casual tv watching not recording? [08:09] can't say i've ever used it myself, but i have heard that it does the purpose intended well [08:09] none of my cards were ever supported by it [08:09] ah [08:09] think my old one would be? [08:09] it should be actually [08:09] o goodie [08:10] well i think im gonna get ubuntu with tvtime and try out mythtv also [08:10] but i do want to test out mythbuntu [08:10] as much as i can [08:10] if only i had a way to send you all my logs whenever something happens [08:10] CDG52, if nothing else, put our RSS feed in your reader [08:11] thats a very good idea [08:11] you could know exactly what is going on with this issue [08:11] i'll throw a spec together for that [08:11] a script that will gather all info and send it via sendmail or something to that effect [08:11] i know thers some program out there already which dumps your hardware to a file [08:11] yeah [08:11] could help you [08:11] lshw can do it, but I think logs are the most relevant thing here [08:11] im willing ot try this out on many box's [08:12] awesome. once we have the next ISO all ready, that will help us immensely [08:12] yeah [08:12] what is the rss? [08:12] i dont see it on the site [08:14] there we go, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/gathersysteminfo [08:14] there is here: http://www.mythbuntu.org/rss.xml [08:15] o by the way [08:15] in the installer [08:15] there is a big time issue [08:15] when you go to pick your time [08:15] yea [08:15] what happens? [08:15] it applies the timezone twice it apears [08:16] you sure? [08:16] because in ubuntu 7.4 or w.e is out it shows the same time my bios has [08:16] but in mythbuntu it shows it -4 hours [08:16] which is my timezone [08:16] actualy im -5 but i run in newyork time [08:16] which says its -4 [08:16] i'm merging a new ubiquity version atm, i'll pay attention to the timezone code as soon as i finish [08:16] ok [08:16] (i've been merging it the last 2.5 hours or so: yuck) [08:19] unfortunitly ive never gotten into any languages like C++ or C or C# [08:19] only web stuff like php and some asp [08:19]