[12:29] <superm1_> tgm4883, thats essentially what we are doing with ubiquity
[12:29] <DaveMorris> the advantage of the alt is needing less ram
[12:29] <superm1_> is installing that env to disk, and then taking out whats not needed
[12:29] <tgm4883> or have an alternate install in the boot up menu that requires the user to create and mount a swap partition
[12:30] <superm1_> oh thats a possibility
[12:30] <superm1_> well actually its a little known fact, but linux can use swapfiles
[12:30] <superm1_> so if they are given the option to create a swapfile on a mountable writable disk
[12:30] <tgm4883> in ubiquity?
[12:31] <tgm4883> or would that have to be earlier
[12:31] <superm1_> well as a boot option, Start or Install Mythbuntu (W/ swap file)
[12:31] <superm1_> or something to that effect
[12:31] <superm1_> and when that option is chosen, once the live env starts, open up a gui that chooses somewhere to put the swapfile
[12:31] <superm1_> from the avail partitions on usb drives, hard drives, etc
[12:32] <tgm4883> question, where are you putting the swap file on the hard drive?  wouldn't that mess with the mythbuntu partitioning?
[12:33] <superm1_> oh good point
[12:33] <tgm4883> where as a swap partition could be used by the live env, then kept as the swap partition for mythbuntu
[12:33] <superm1_> so it'd have to be somewhere that is not being used to install
[12:33] <superm1_> but that assumes that you come in with a swap partition already there
[12:34] <tgm4883> true, unless you can do that from the live env, or have an alt install method that loads the alt partition manager, then the live env
[12:35] <tgm4883> Ideally, if the partitioning was first, then the swap partition could be used in all installs
[12:36] <tgm4883> some sort of mounting of the swap partition in the live env
[12:36] <superm1_> the swap can be of use to the live frontend too though
[12:39] <superm1_> the alt partition manager is being removed from the next ubiquity version
[12:39] <superm1_> that i need to merge with
[12:39] <tgm4883> is it possible to have ubiquity make a swap partition and then shift everything to that instead of the ramdisk?
[12:43] <superm1_> if so, thats gonna be tough
[12:44] <kruuli> dunno but cant you put the swap on a usb stick? most people got one laying around .. but im just pulling stuff out of my ass .. so dont know if its even possible? :p
[12:44] <superm1_> kruuli, that's what I was thinking
[12:44] <superm1_> would be a good idea
[12:44] <superm1_> you can
[12:44] <kruuli> oh cool ^^
[12:44] <tgm4883> that would work
[12:46] <superm1_> kruuli, hopefully we dont have to come to that though, I anticipate a vanilla ISO that isn't launching these extra services and needing to upgrade apps will be much better
[12:46] <superm1_> and more apt to fit in that little 256 MB
[12:46] <superm1_> especially since we're not starting the gnome bloat
[12:46] <tgm4883> once final, installing should be able to be done without updating first
[12:47] <tgm4883> so this may be a moo point?
[12:47] <DaveMorris> could we offer the chance to have gnome for the dm when they are installing?
[12:47] <superm1_> DaveMorris, in the current incarnation, that would be very difficult
[12:47] <superm1_> because adding anything to the install is less straightforward than one would hope
[12:47] <DaveMorris> I mean they pull them down from the web
[12:48] <kruuli> hell yeah! past 83% now! :DD
[12:48] <superm1_> I wonder how big the disk would be if it included ubuntu-desktop
[12:48] <superm1_> kruuli,  :)
[12:48] <tgm4883> why would you want gnome?  unless were also adding more options to the type of machine (ie desktop, frontend, backend)
[12:48] <superm1_> tgm4883, that'd be the reason i see
[12:48] <DaveMorris> tgm4883 some people just prefer gnome
[12:48] <DaveMorris> some people prefer kde
[12:49] <superm1_> we could offer on a DVD possibly
[12:49] <tgm4883> DaveMorris, true, but on a mythtv system without a desktop?
[12:49] <DaveMorris> for configuring etc
[12:50] <DaveMorris> I exit out of mythtv to play music at parties with xmms
[12:50] <superm1_> oh see we use mythvideo and VLC with playlists
[12:50] <superm1_> for our parties
[12:50] <superm1_> we have some 250 music videos that are cycled through
[12:51] <DaveMorris> and mythmusic sucks as UI for that
[12:51] <superm1_> indeed
[12:52] <DaveMorris> and I like the way you can find a song in xmms and press 'Q' which then queues it to play.  And if someone keeps on manually selecting songs to play it stays in the queue
[12:53] <superm1_> you might look into amarok though for managing that at parties
[12:53] <superm1_> its got a bit nicer of an interface for people to handle
[12:53] <DaveMorris> on a 23" PAL screen?
[12:53] <superm1_> and that way they can "search" for artists
[12:53] <superm1_> oh ya
[12:53] <DaveMorris> rhythbox is un usable on it
[12:53] <superm1_> bump up the DPI
[12:54] <superm1_> and font sizes
[12:54] <superm1_> and its surely doable
[12:54] <DaveMorris> oh, I can see it, its just coz the font it big, so the actuall UI ends up twice the size of my screen
[12:55] <superm1_> amarok is pretty customizable when it comes to UI though
[12:55] <superm1_> you should at least give it a look
[12:55] <DaveMorris> I will do
[12:57] <kruuli> sweet!
[12:58] <kruuli> mythbuntu is now up and running! :D
[12:58] <superm1_> yay :)
[12:58] <kruuli> <-- happy camper
[12:58] <kruuli> thanks again yall for all the help you provided
[12:58] <kruuli> ill hit the sack for now and start the configuration tomorrow :D
[12:58] <superm1_> kruuli, thanks for your input in getting things going here
[12:59] <superm1_> kruuli, you should start do it now actually
[12:59] <kruuli> why is that? :o
[12:59] <superm1_> its not necessairly straightforward to get into
[12:59] <superm1_> after the first time its launched
[12:59] <superm1_> in mythbuntu's current incarnation
[12:59] <kruuli> oh ok .. theres noway to start that guide again?
[01:00] <superm1_> well i guess its not too bad, just you have to exit the frontend and then login to the regular session
[01:00] <superm1_> with the user you created
[01:00] <superm1_> and open mythtv-setup from that
[01:00] <kruuli> ok how do i exit the frontend?
[01:01] <superm1_> escape
[01:01] <superm1_> and then pick exit
[01:01] <kruuli> (better take notes right away cuz im prolly gonna need to go thru the guide again) :p
[01:01] <kruuli> oh ok and then just login again with my mythuser.. how do i start the mythsetup again?
[01:02] <superm1_> login with the user you created during install, not 'mythtv'
[01:02] <superm1_> there is an icon on the desktop
[01:02] <superm1_> for it
[01:02] <superm1_> it will stop the backend, open setup for you
[01:02] <kruuli> i see .. sweet will try it right away
[01:03] <superm1_> its kinda hard to come up with a cleaner way to do things than that
[01:03] <superm1_> but mythtv-setup's launch is going to be moved into ubiquity once i sort some other bugs
[01:04] <kruuli> think that is pretty strait forward tbh :)
[01:05] <superm1_> well what do i know :)
[01:05] <superm1_> bug 93774
[01:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 93774 in mythtv "mythtv-setup scan only finds channels when it already has 'transports' defined" [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93774
[01:05] <superm1_> DaveMorris, is that fixed in 0.20-fixes?
[01:05] <superm1_> or just head
[01:06] <DaveMorris> I assume fixes since it was fixed a while ago
[01:07] <superm1_> Ok i'll close it up
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #102964 in mythtv "Waited too long for video out to pause" [Low,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102964
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #109950 in mythtv (multiverse) "mythtv-database configuration cannot connect to MySQL database" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109950
[01:11] <DaveMorris> night all
[01:11] <superm1_> night DaveMorris
[01:12] <kruuli> nn DaveMorris
[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #93774 in mythtv "mythtv-setup scan only finds channels when it already has 'transports' defined" [Low,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93774
[01:30] <kruuli> everything seems to be working just fine
[01:30] <kruuli> gonna get some sleep now
[01:30] <superm1_> cool
[01:30] <kruuli> thanks again! :)
[01:30] <superm1_> night kruuli
[01:30] <superm1_> glad things worked out well for you
[01:30] <kruuli> nn mate
[01:30] <kruuli> yeah me 2 :p
[07:13] <imbrandon> superm1, Daviey , i'll do the multi alias tonight while i'm at work
[07:13] <imbrandon> ( e.g. in the next ~3 hours  )
[07:13] <imbrandon> shouldent be that hard
[07:14] <superm1> imbrandon, great
[07:14] <superm1> that will at least give us something while canonical tries to sort this mailing list business
[07:15] <superm1> mdke sent an email around to jono elmo and sabdfl, but i'm not sure whats coming of it
[07:25] <OpenMedia> Whats the multi alias?
[07:26] <superm1> OpenMedia, for a make shift mailing list
[07:26] <superm1> until canonical gets ours sorted out
[07:26] <OpenMedia> Ah..
[07:26] <OpenMedia> So who is going to be at Ubuntu Live?  Bit pricey from NZ but i'm trying to organise it
[07:26] <superm1> I will be :)
[07:26] <superm1> i'll be talking at the Ubuntu talk
[07:27] <superm1> for mythtv
[07:27] <OpenMedia> One reason we want to attend
[07:27] <superm1> imbrandon and keescook will both be there too
[07:27] <superm1> so much to possibly talk about, still have to sort out the presentation
[07:28] <CDG52> any idea why mythbuntu would reboot after it loads frontend? i got it fully installed on one hd but i ran out of space
[07:29] <superm1> CDG52, yes
[07:29] <CDG52> so i installed it on a 20gb drive i got it to configure and right after config it reboots and now everytime it utrns on it reboots
[07:29] <CDG52> o?
[07:29] <CDG52> whys it rebooting?
[07:29] <superm1> if the drive is filled, it can't write out the theme cache to ~/.mythtv
[07:29] <superm1> so it would kill mythfrontend
[07:29] <CDG52> so it reboots?
[07:29] <CDG52> err
[07:29] <superm1> and restart X
[07:29] <superm1> but not 'reboot'
[07:29] <CDG52> i dont think the drive is failing
[07:29] <CDG52> but it is old
[07:30] <CDG52> heck the other drive was older it was a 1.5gb
[07:30] <CDG52> atleast i stuck a 20gb in it
[07:30] <superm1> i cant believe you got away with the 1.5 as long as you did :)
[07:30] <CDG52> haha
[07:30] <CDG52> hey it lasted a whole 10mins of tv!
[07:30] <CDG52> lol
[07:30] <CDG52> then it frooze
[07:30] <CDG52> >_<
[07:30] <superm1> CDG52, what kind of video card do you have in there right now?
[07:31] <CDG52> um whatever this compaq came with
[07:31] <CDG52> i suppose it would be a built in intel video
[07:31] <superm1> ah okay
[07:31] <CDG52> why?
[07:31] <superm1> well i was going to say if you have an nvidia or ati - you should at least turn on proprietary drivers
[07:32] <CDG52> yeah
[07:32] <CDG52> i think i had it
[07:32] <CDG52> hmm so is there anyway i can atleast get the backend to start without the front or does that require a new install
[07:32] <CDG52> because i just found a windows front end that i could use
[07:33] <superm1> the backend does start when the pc starts
[07:33] <CDG52> but xreboots
[07:33] <CDG52> which makes the computers screen black
[07:33] <CDG52> and leaves me screwed
[07:33] <superm1> its every time, so its like an endless reboot cycle?
[07:33] <CDG52> every time i turn it on
[07:33] <CDG52> once xrestarts it just sits there
[07:34] <CDG52> pretends to be running
[07:34] <superm1> but doesnt reboot
[07:34] <superm1> just sits at that blank screen?
[07:34] <CDG52> not exactly sure
[07:34] <CDG52> every time i reboot it does the same thing also
[07:34] <superm1> could you hit CTRL-ALT-F1
[07:34] <superm1> and see if you get a prompt
[07:34] <CDG52> so for all i know is it is rebooted
[07:35] <CDG52> ok let me boot it up
[07:35] <superm1> can at least login and see where things are sitting
[07:36] <CDG52> what do you mean
[07:36] <superm1> if you hit ctrl alt f1 and get a prompt
[07:36] <superm1> you can login there
[07:36] <CDG52> o yeah
[07:36] <CDG52> it shows it
[07:36] <CDG52> wow
[07:36] <superm1> and see what processes are still running
[07:36] <CDG52> lol
[07:36] <superm1> and what the Xorg.0.log says
[07:37] <CDG52> if you could remind me where that is
[07:37] <CDG52> its in /etc/X11/xorg
[07:37] <CDG52> ?
[07:37] <superm1> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:37] <CDG52> ah is that different from ubuntu?
[07:38] <superm1> Nope
[07:38] <superm1> same thing
[07:38] <CDG52> weird
[07:38] <superm1> /etc/X11 has your xorg.conf
[07:38] <CDG52> o wait right
[07:38] <superm1> that has the settings for X
[07:38] <CDG52> says font paths arnt there
[07:39] <CDG52> says X11/fonts/misc is gone
[07:40] <CDG52> same with cyrillic
[07:40] <CDG52> and Type1
[07:40] <superm1> those shouldnt be show stopping
[07:40] <superm1> though for starting X
[07:40] <CDG52> hmm
[07:40] <CDG52> i couldnt find anything and thats the last error
[07:40] <superm1> checkout /home/mythtv/.xsession-errors
[07:40] <superm1> and see if that says anything informative
[07:41] <CDG52> ok
[07:42] <CDG52> i/o warning: failed to load external entity " debain-menu.xml"
[07:42] <CDG52> i shortened that
[07:42] <superm1> thats ok
[07:42] <superm1> thats normaly
[07:42] <superm1> there
[07:42] <CDG52> same with rc.xml
[07:42] <superm1> still not a big deal
[07:43] <superm1> nothing about mythfrontend crashing
[07:43] <CDG52> ok
[07:43] <superm1> because no ram
[07:43] <superm1> or disk space or anythign like that?
[07:43] <CDG52> database scheme upgrade failed, unlocking?
[07:43] <superm1> that could possibly be it
[07:44] <CDG52> how would i stop that?
[07:44] <superm1> well that sounds like some level of corruption right in the database
[07:44] <superm1> if it couldnt upgrade the schema
[07:44] <superm1> which can be caused by a variety of things
[07:44] <superm1> this wasnt the disk that filled up right?
[07:44] <CDG52> correct
[07:45] <CDG52> this is a newly formated 20gb
[07:45] <CDG52> old drive but just formated it
[07:45] <superm1> you might have hit the really random bug that we have noticed on the forums where there is sometimes a database corruption
[07:45] <superm1> for no particular reason
[07:45] <CDG52> ah
[07:45] <CDG52> lol
[07:45] <CDG52> so anyway to redo the database?
[07:45] <superm1> from that console, sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server-5.0 mythtv-database && sudo apt-get install mythtv
[07:46] <CDG52> ugh lots of typing
[07:46] <superm1> it will ask you to drop the database, which you just say okay
[07:46] <superm1> then remove /home/mythtv/.mythtv and restart the comp
[07:46] <superm1> it will ask you to redo mythtv-setup
[07:47] <CDG52> mine said nothing
[07:47] <superm1> which
[07:47] <CDG52> it asked for a password then showed the new line thing for my user
[07:47] <superm1> try that as two commands
[07:47] <superm1> sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server-5.0 mythtv-database
[07:47] <superm1> followed by
[07:47] <superm1> sudo apt-get install mythtv
[07:48] <CDG52> u wouldnt know hte rootpassword?
[07:48] <superm1> if you'ld like to become root, then just sudo su
[07:48] <CDG52> i tired
[07:48] <CDG52> that didnt work
[07:48] <CDG52> lol
[07:48] <superm1> your logged in as the user created during install right?
[07:48] <CDG52> yup
[07:49] <CDG52> all it does it push me back into that user
[07:49] <CDG52> if i logout
[07:49] <CDG52> and tyupe in root
[07:49] <CDG52> and hit enter for password
[07:49] <CDG52> it says login incorrect
[07:49] <superm1> you cant do that,
[07:49] <superm1> the root password isnt setup on ubuntu
[07:49] <superm1> just do the command as sudo
[07:49] <superm1> sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server-5.0 mythtv-database
[07:50] <superm1> and see if it is handled that way (without worrying about the fact that you can't sudo su)
[07:50] <CDG52> its printing no output
[07:50] <superm1> that's really really strange
[07:50] <CDG52> your telling me
[07:51] <CDG52> i tried sudo reboot
[07:51] <CDG52> and still nothing
[07:51] <CDG52> didnt even reboot
[07:51] <CDG52> lol
[07:51] <superm1> type groups
[07:51] <superm1> and see what groups it says your in
[07:52] <CDG52> user adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner powerdev mythtv lpadmin admin
[07:52] <superm1> well your in admin
[07:52] <superm1> thats the one that can sudo
[07:52] <CDG52> yeah
[07:53] <superm1> type whoami
[07:53] <superm1> does your regular username come up?
[07:53] <CDG52> eh im gonna do safemode ubuntu
[07:53] <CDG52> or as its called recovery
[07:55] <CDG52> this is working
[07:55] <superm1> OK
[07:55] <superm1> really odd stuff there though
[07:56] <CDG52> yeah
[07:56] <CDG52> um install mythtv
[07:56] <CDG52> doesnt work it says already done
[07:56] <CDG52> o wops
[07:56] <CDG52> it says package not avalible
[07:56] <CDG52> lol
[07:56] <superm1> do you not have network in recovery mode?
[07:56] <CDG52> i do have it
[07:57] <CDG52> i just did a apt-get update
[07:57] <CDG52> hmm some upgrades
[07:57] <CDG52> ill install those then try it again
[07:57] <superm1> ok
[07:59] <CDG52> ok it worked
[07:59] <CDG52> its installing now
[07:59] <superm1> good good
[08:00] <CDG52> hey got a question about irc
[08:00] <CDG52> idk if you know
[08:00] <CDG52> any idea how to get chanserv to sit in ur room to keep it alive?
[08:00] <CDG52> like this room
[08:00] <superm1> you have to request it from the freenode guys
[08:01] <CDG52> ah
[08:01] <CDG52> i was wondering that
[08:02] <CDG52> ugh setup again
[08:02] <superm1> and getting things like ubotu and ubuntulog need to be requested from the Ubuntu Ops
[08:02] <CDG52> ah
[08:02] <CDG52> hey quess what happened again
[08:02] <CDG52> lol
[08:03] <CDG52> after the setup
[08:03] <superm1> you didnt go through all the steps again
[08:03] <superm1> and things didnt come up?
[08:03] <CDG52> i did
[08:03] <CDG52> iwent through the 3 page setup thing
[08:04] <CDG52> and it said strange
[08:04] <CDG52> on one of the windows while filing the database
[08:04] <CDG52> then it asked me to do it again
[08:04] <CDG52> i went through it
[08:04] <CDG52> and i took me to a blackscreen
[08:04] <superm1> i really wonder what this black screen is all about for you, whats really happening on it
[08:04] <CDG52> no idea
[08:05] <CDG52> ok so new issues
[08:05] <CDG52> log says
[08:05] <OpenMedia> Can you press Alt+Tab on the back screen and pull up other windows?
[08:05] <CDG52> mythtv @ localhost
[08:05] <CDG52> denied access
[08:05] <OpenMedia> Has your machine changed name since it booted?
[08:05] <CDG52> no alt-tab
[08:05] <CDG52> nope
[08:05] <OpenMedia> Sounds like an X permission issue
[08:05] <superm1> when you removed mysql-server-5.0, you did drop the database right
[08:06] <superm1> when it asked you to
[08:06] <CDG52> i did everything yo usaid
[08:06] <CDG52> followed what you siad
[08:07] <superm1> well i'm about pretty confused here then what it could be.
[08:07] <CDG52> hmm yeah
[08:07] <CDG52> i would just burn a new cd and reinstall it
[08:07] <CDG52> but im out of cd's
[08:07] <superm1> perhaps atm, it might be better to just use a regular ubuntu install - and mythtv on top of it
[08:07] <CDG52> haha
[08:07] <superm1> until we have some other things sorted out with mythbuntu
[08:07] <CDG52> yeah
[08:08] <superm1> because your using about as bleeding edge as it gets with the stuff we're working on
[08:08] <CDG52> ever hear of tvtime?
[08:08] <superm1> yes
[08:08] <CDG52> any good for just casual tv watching not recording?
[08:09] <superm1> can't say i've ever used it myself, but i have heard that it does the purpose intended well
[08:09] <superm1> none of my cards were ever supported by it
[08:09] <CDG52> ah
[08:09] <CDG52> think my old one would be?
[08:09] <superm1> it should be actually
[08:09] <CDG52> o goodie
[08:10] <CDG52> well i think im gonna get ubuntu with tvtime and try out mythtv also
[08:10] <CDG52> but i do want to test out mythbuntu
[08:10] <CDG52> as much as i can
[08:10] <CDG52> if only i had a way to send you all my logs whenever something happens
[08:10] <superm1> CDG52, if nothing else, put our RSS feed in your reader
[08:11] <superm1> thats a very good idea
[08:11] <CDG52> you could know exactly what is going on with this issue
[08:11] <superm1> i'll throw a spec together for that
[08:11] <superm1> a script that will gather all info and send it via sendmail or something to that effect
[08:11] <CDG52> i know thers some program out there already which dumps your hardware to a file
[08:11] <CDG52> yeah
[08:11] <CDG52> could help you
[08:11] <superm1> lshw can do it, but I think logs are the most relevant thing here
[08:11] <CDG52> im willing ot try this out on many box's
[08:12] <superm1> awesome.  once we have the next ISO all ready, that will help us immensely
[08:12] <CDG52> yeah
[08:12] <CDG52> what is the rss?
[08:12] <CDG52> i dont see it on the site
[08:14] <superm1> there we go, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/gathersysteminfo
[08:14] <superm1> there is here: http://www.mythbuntu.org/rss.xml
[08:15] <CDG52> o by the way
[08:15] <CDG52> in the installer
[08:15] <CDG52> there is a big time issue
[08:15] <CDG52> when you go to pick your time
[08:15] <superm1> yea
[08:15] <superm1> what happens?
[08:15] <CDG52> it applies the timezone twice it apears
[08:16] <superm1> you sure?
[08:16] <CDG52> because in ubuntu 7.4 or w.e is out it shows the same time my bios has
[08:16] <CDG52> but in mythbuntu it shows it -4 hours
[08:16] <CDG52> which is my timezone
[08:16] <CDG52> actualy im -5 but i run in newyork time
[08:16] <CDG52> which says its -4
[08:16] <superm1> i'm merging a new ubiquity version atm, i'll pay attention to the timezone code as soon as i finish
[08:16] <CDG52> ok
[08:16] <superm1> (i've been merging it the last 2.5 hours or so: yuck)
[08:19] <CDG52> unfortunitly ive never gotten into any languages like C++ or C or C#
[08:19] <CDG52> only web stuff like php and some asp
[08:19] <CDG52> and well VB
[08:19] <CDG52> but i started with windows
[08:19] <CDG52> still use it oto
[08:20] <superm1> ubiquity is python, debconf, sh, and C
[08:21] <CDG52> i started learning some python, and i know some sh, but have no idea about debconf and only a little C
[08:22] <superm1> i've been learning python by force here in modifying ubiquity
[08:25] <CDG52> ok now i have to ask
[08:25] <CDG52> what is ubiquity
[08:25] <CDG52> i can not find it online
[08:26] <superm1> the installer
[08:26] <superm1> what i've been pouring my soul into the last few weeks :)
[08:27] <CDG52> o
[08:27] <CDG52> weird name for an installer
[08:28] <superm1> there is some history to the naming of it, but i dont know it
[08:28] <superm1> its in the readme
[08:28] <superm1> i think it comes from guadalinux
[08:29] <CDG52> ah
[08:32] <CDG52> what timezone are you in
[08:32] <CDG52> ?
[08:32] <superm1> CST
[08:32] <CDG52> ah so its not as bad for you
[08:32] <CDG52> im in EST
[08:32] <CDG52> and i gotta be up for work at 8
[08:33] <superm1> get to bed mate :)
[08:34] <superm1> i've gotta get up for work at 9 ish
[08:34] <superm1> so i've got another 30-40 minutes before i should be alseep
[08:34] <CDG52> yeah
[08:34] <CDG52> im just waiting for ubuntu to finnish
[08:34] <superm1> it will still be there in the morning :)
[08:35] <CDG52> but i wont, ill be at work
[08:35] <CDG52> hah
[08:36] <CDG52> plus i dont need to be to awake, i sit around and make people look pritty all day on the computer
[08:36] <CDG52> i work at a photo studio as a graphic editor
[08:36] <CDG52> and IT
[08:38] <superm1> haha
[08:38] <superm1> i see
[08:38] <superm1> odd mix there
[08:39] <CDG52> yeah
[08:39] <CDG52> well i needed to learn photoshop over the years since i do webdesign
[08:39] <CDG52> and i got really good at it
[08:39] <CDG52> and it was easier to get that job then an IT job
[08:39] <superm1> oh they aren't at the same place
[08:39] <superm1> haha
[08:39] <CDG52> no they are the same place
[08:39] <CDG52> once i started working they found out i was good at IT
[08:39] <CDG52> so they have me do all the IT now too lol
[08:40] <superm1> ah
[08:40] <superm1> that works out well then
[08:40] <CDG52> yup, hired me for photoshop, but they raised my pay once they found out i could be there IT
[08:40] <CDG52> pay me a few more a hour and eliminate a position why not?
[08:41] <superm1> works out great for you then
[08:43] <CDG52> know anything about hard drives? i had one get fryed from a cpu going out on me, and the drive spins up and all but isnt noticed by the computer
[08:43] <CDG52> so i think its just the logical bord
[08:43] <CDG52> know of any way to tell without me getting a new logic bord?
[08:43] <superm1> that is a pretty good assumption, but good luck getting a new logic board
[08:43] <superm1> you would need one from an identical drive to verify
[08:43] <CDG52> ebay a bad plater version lol
[08:44] <superm1> i would verify that the same diagnosis occurs on another machine though
[08:45] <CDG52> i have, tried it on three
[08:45] <CDG52> none of them will notice it
[08:46] <superm1> then I would say that board is the most likely suspect, but in order to replace it you want one from the exact same line, because of lot of servo tracking info is written into the firmware on the logic board
[08:46] <laga> morning
[08:46] <superm1> morning laga
[08:49] <laga> ywhy does life have to be so cruel before 9 am :(
[08:49] <superm1> laga, why is it cruel?
[08:49] <laga> superm1: because it's before 9 am
[08:49] <laga> OpenMedia: thanks :)
[08:50] <OpenMedia> No worries. Need to have a chat at some point about the Ubuntu Live talk. Trying to make it but it is a bit of a hike from Auckland
[08:50] <superm1> OpenMedia, are there other things you wanted to see there?
[08:50] <OpenMedia> I'd to offer a myPVR unit for a demo box.
[08:51] <OpenMedia> My day job is a Linux architect and consultant. I want to see everything ;)
[08:52] <superm1> OpenMedia, I'll have to talk to Andrew to double check on the hardware he is bringing, but that could prove useful :)
[08:53] <OpenMedia> Just trying to organise funding. NZ$ != US$ :-(
[08:54] <superm1> OpenMedia, I hear you there, even to fly a few states over is pricey for me too.  If I wasn't talking, there is no way I could justify jumping that far across the country
[08:54] <laga> oh! on what subject will you be talking?
[08:55] <superm1> laga, http://www.ubuntulive.com/cs/ubuntu/view/e_sess/13454
[08:57] <OpenMedia> Yeah we should have taken some HW to LCA2007 as it looked a lot sexier than their demo machines :)
[08:57] <superm1> LCA2k7?
[08:57] <OpenMedia> LinuxConf.au
[08:58] <OpenMedia> Need to have another play at Mythbuntu/Feisty and the myPVR mods to knoppmyth this weekend. Got most of the code over and working.
[08:59] <superm1> what sort of mods do you guys apply for your hardware to be best supported?
[09:00] <laga> i'm still flabbergasted how much open source stuff is going in oregon. (former GF was from portland)
[09:00] <OpenMedia> At the moment on knoppmyth quite a bit because of ALSA and NVidia. on Feisty almost nothing. Our code does all of the autoconfig for NZ TV, IR Blaster, LIRC, audio etc
[09:00] <superm1> ah
[09:00] <OpenMedia> Plus we have a custom MythTV build of 0.20-fixes because of the backports we need for MHEG-5, plus a bunch of DVB playback fixes
[09:01] <OpenMedia> I've put in some tickets to MythTV's trac for the backports.
[09:01] <OpenMedia> One other cool thing we have worked on is a web based virtual remote
[09:01] <laga> OpenMedia: that's a good idea :)
[09:01] <laga> OpenMedia: especially because some people got allw orked up over you making feature requests
[09:01] <superm1> OpenMedia, if you get us a list of the patches you need (and the tickets they are attached to), I would be glad to add them to gutsy builds
[09:01] <OpenMedia> http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/?p=30
[09:02] <OpenMedia> http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/remote/index.html
[09:02] <OpenMedia> We are only acting as a conduit for people who would never use a mailing list. I'm a long time developer so I understand the MythTV teams frsutration
[09:03] <OpenMedia> We did a lot of work on the MythTV MHEG-5 and RedButton MHEG-5 stacks so that they work in NZ :)
[09:03] <laga> heh, yep
[09:03] <laga> i saw that discussion
[09:03] <superm1> laga, are you coming to ULive???
[09:03] <laga> superm1: no :(
[09:04] <OpenMedia> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3590 - MHEG backport
[09:04] <OpenMedia> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3591 - Jerky video on LiveTV
[09:07] <OpenMedia> We are very interested in integrating all of our IP and tweaks as GPL additions to Mythbuntu. It basically provides a more future proofed platform for existing customers.
[09:08] <laga> is it still IP if it's GPL?
[09:08] <superm1> OpenMedia, I'm completely for that as well.  As we get closer and closer to other areas stabilizing, I see them as very valuable additions
[09:08] <OpenMedia> Basically putting the IP into GPL.
[09:09] <OpenMedia> I'd like to see much better NZ support in Mythbuntu and Mythdora, plus we have done a lot around HW testing etc.
[09:09] <CDG52> hey any one have any idea why i cant pick up channels lower then 30?
[09:09] <CDG52> in mythtv and tvtime i get the same deal
[09:09] <CDG52> yet in windows i get them fine
[09:10] <OpenMedia> Wrong tuner type selected - do you need to select us-cable?
[09:10] <CDG52> thats waht i selected
[09:10] <OpenMedia> Don't know enough about us tuners i'm afraid
[09:11] <CDG52> darn o well thanks
[09:11] <OpenMedia> Anyhow gotta bale guys. Going to get the wife to try a mythbuntu install on one of my test beds tomorrow. Should prove interesting :)
[09:12] <superm1> OpenMedia, make sure you know about the update
[09:12] <superm1> that you have to do upon boot
[09:12] <superm1> for the installer to work
[09:12] <OpenMedia> Is it on the webpage?
[09:12] <superm1> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubiquity ubiquity-frontend-gtk
[09:12] <superm1> it is mentioned there yes.
[09:12] <superm1> under the comments at the bottom
[09:12] <OpenMedia> Sweet. I'll print it off.
[09:13] <superm1> I added a bug to get those two patche sets in
[09:13] <superm1> next time I go around to update our packages, i'll get them in
[09:13] <superm1> bug 119984
[09:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119984 in mythtv "Add Fixes needed for NZ MHEG-5 support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119984
[09:13] <OpenMedia> Cheers. I've a couple of other odd ones I need to look at. If you are ok i'll look at adding them to Launchpad myself.
[09:14] <superm1> Sure go for it.
[09:14] <OpenMedia> NIght all
[09:14] <superm1> If you can link them to the upstream bugs too, thats ideal
[09:14] <superm1> night OpenMedia
[09:14] <OpenMedia> No worries
[09:14] <superm1> CDG52, you can't pick up channels lower than 30??
[09:14] <superm1> thats very bizarre
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #119984 in mythtv "Add Fixes needed for NZ MHEG-5 support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119984
[09:17] <superm1> laga, about a lot of open source stuff going on in portland, I dont get it either
[09:17] <superm1> why couldnt they say chose Chicago.  would have been much more centralized
[09:17] <superm1> (and convenient for me :))
[09:18] <laga> superm1: heh
[09:18] <laga> or, well, germany. ;)
[09:18] <laga> well, we have lots of open source stuff here.
[09:18] <laga> superm1: mythtv.org is hosted in portland, too
[09:18] <laga> at the open source labs
[09:19] <superm1> but that would mean that i had to sort out my passport mess and jump over that pond inbetween here and europe
[09:19] <laga> heh
[09:19] <laga> i guess it's easier to come here than to go to the US
[09:20] <laga> i was supposed to come to the US this summer, but $things didn_'t work out too well ;)
[09:21] <superm1> oh where were you going to come?
[09:22] <laga> oregon
[09:23] <superm1> ah hence the "former" GF
[09:23] <superm1> thing
[09:24] <laga> heh, yep
[09:32] <superm1> Daviey, ping
[09:33] <superm1> laga, about what time does Daviey usually show up?
[09:33] <superm1> ... i dont want to stay up too much later
[09:34] <laga> yesterday, he showed up at 5pm my time
[09:34] <superm1> pm?
[09:34] <laga> it's 9am here now. go figure & good night :)
[09:34] <superm1> man.
[09:35] <superm1> why is v4 confusing?
[09:36] <laga> because i'm too tired to read the documentation properly, to be honest. and this guide i have found doesn't explain what it tells me to do so i'd rather not break my system :)=
[09:36] <superm1> ah
[09:37] <laga> hey, at least i admit that i'm too lazy to read the docs. ;)
[09:39] <DaveMorris> superm1: he might show up after 9 when he gets to work, but go to bed ;)
[09:39] <superm1> mornin DaveMorris :)
[09:39] <superm1> okay okay....
[09:41] <laga> now i remember
[09:41] <laga> nfs-kernel-server doesn't properly support UID mapping. nfs-user-server doesn't support large files.
[09:41] <laga> time for nfsv4.
[10:26] <Daviey> guess i missed superm1_bed then
[10:26] <Daviey> :(
[10:38] <DaveMorris> What vm software do people use for testing mythbuntu?  So I can grab some screen shots etc
[10:40] <Daviey> DaveMorris: for usability use either vmplayer or virtualbox (deb on site)
[10:40] <DaveMorris> which is foss?
[10:41] <Daviey> virtualbox
[10:41] <DaveMorris> cheers
[10:41] <Daviey> or qemu - but virtualbox is nice
[10:48] <laga> virtualbox is not completely FOSS
[10:48] <Daviey> laga: can be
[10:48] <laga> yup
[10:48] <Daviey> depenends if you build from source or debs
[10:48] <laga> but then it's not as nice anymore :)
[10:48] <Daviey> still nicer interface than qemu imo
[10:49] <laga> yup
[10:50] <laga> and faster, although kqemu helps a lot
[10:54] <Daviey> AIUI virtualbox is built on qemu
[10:54] <Daviey> @ my local lug a guy benchmarked the various options.  Wasn't much in it IIRC
[10:55] <DaveMorris> I'll give virtuialbox a go then, I wanna grab screen shots for the install docs etc
[10:55] <DaveMorris> Daviey: what was the hardware though?
[10:55] <DaveMorris> got a url for the results?
[10:55] <Daviey> DaveMorris: ask popey
[10:58] <Daviey> DaveMorris: everybody will point and laugh, you know that?
[10:58] <DaveMorris> [rant]  why dosen't the update manager pull down the nvidia kernel module when ever I update my kernel, ffs it breaks on everytime[/rant] 
[10:58] <laga> Daviey: mean!
[10:59] <DaveMorris> I'm unsure of how technical to make the content :/
[10:59] <Daviey> DaveMorris: get this - i've had two kernel upgrades go bang on my laptop.  Both discovered when i turned on the lappy at the lug.  Makes you look like a right plonker
[11:00] <Daviey> DaveMorris: think of your audience
[11:00] <Daviey> will most know even what a cluster is?
[11:01] <Daviey> It is. and my laptop has a numeric keyboard
[11:01] <Daviey> :)
[11:01] <laga> heh
[11:01] <Daviey> DaveMorris: don't you guys take computers?
[11:01] <DaveMorris> Daviey: good point, Laga my talk is on "Low Cost Linux Clusters for Graphical Rendering"
[11:01] <Daviey> That's what our revolve around.  Everybody sitting behind a computer
[11:02] <DaveMorris> yeah around 1/2 the people do.  But they don't need them so I can't really see the point
[11:02] <DaveMorris> I leave mine at home (well it is old, but it does work)
[11:08] <DaveMorris> I suppose I should give a small bit of background for clusters and graphical rendering
[11:09] <Daviey> Yes!
[11:09] <Daviey> and distributed compiling
[11:13] <DaveMorris> it dosen't use distributed compiling
[11:13] <DaveMorris> why would it use that?
[11:13] <Daviey> I don't follow?
[11:14] <DaveMorris> compiling is when you build a program
[11:14] <DaveMorris> did you mean distibuted rendering
[11:14] <Daviey> no
[11:14] <Daviey> i mean distributing the build over multiple hosts
[11:15] <Daviey> can shave huge amounts of time on a large compile
[11:15] <DaveMorris> we don't do that, you able to change a scons file to build on a cluster?
[11:16] <Daviey> DaveMorris: look at 'distcc'  -  uses the standard gcc compiler, and the local os / archetecture doesn't matter.  Ie Windows & Mac can be used to build linux biniaries
[11:17] <Daviey> You can use a cluster, but distcc just sits as a daemon on a machine that sends/recives jobs
[03:19] <spoky99> hi all
[03:20] <DaveMorris> hey spoky99
[03:27] <spoky99> hi Dave
[03:28] <spoky99> i post in my old bug (119055) the attempt with vmware
[03:29] <spoky99> I'm really don't in able to install mythbubtu :)
[03:29] <spoky99> what time is there?
[03:34] <rogue780|mythsrv> 934
[03:42] <rogue780|mythsrv> I hate PT tests.
[03:44] <spoky99> what is PT tests?
[03:45] <spoky99> (there is 3.45 PM)
[03:45] <spoky99> (here is 3.45 PM)
[04:01] <superm1_bed> spoky99, inside that VM did you actually update ubiquity
[04:01] <superm1_bed> before running?
[04:06] <superm1> Daviey, you came on like 30-40 min after i went to bed :)
[04:06] <laga> morning superm1
[04:06] <superm1> morning laga
[04:07] <spoky99> hi superm1
[04:07] <superm1> hi spoky99
[04:08] <spoky99> i post in my old bug (119055) the attempt with vmware
[04:08] <superm1> yes I saw, but that output is characteristic of not running the ubiquity update
[04:08] <spoky99> superm1: don't work
[04:08] <superm1> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubiquity ubiquity-frontend-gtk
[04:08] <superm1> from within the VM before running ubiquity
[04:09] <spoky99> superm1: before select the installation into the desktop?
[04:09] <superm1> correct
[04:09] <spoky99> ok!
[04:09] <spoky99> i try!
[04:09] <spoky99> :D
[04:10] <superm1> if you right click the desktop, you can open a terminal
[04:10] <superm1> and do it from there
[04:10] <spoky99> yess I know!
[04:11] <a5benwillis> superm1: Ping
[04:11] <superm1> Hi a5benwillis
[04:11] <a5benwillis> hi! anything new with mythbuntu?
[04:12] <spoky99> I could configure every time the ssh and the static ip, whithout this.. I could not go out from my net
[04:13] <superm1> a5benwillis, lots of activity happening on my part, but nothing publicly released
[04:13] <superm1> since alpha1
[04:14] <a5benwillis> ah, I have alpha, just wondered if there were any new releases to try yet.
[04:14] <superm1> a5benwillis, waiting on hitting a few milestones before doing so
[04:14] <superm1> the next one is going to have to be 7.10 based though
[04:47] <spoky99> superm1: all is going well :D without error!!
[04:47] <spoky99> superm1: can I try to install in the same way also into the real desktop?
[04:47] <superm1> Yes spoky99
[04:48] <spoky99> many thaks!!
[04:48] <superm1> :)
[04:48] <spoky99> :)
[05:37] <spoky99> superm1: don't start, mybe is a problem whith the dvdreader, (is one benQ model 1650V)  I cange with one normal CDrom reader
[05:39] <spoky99> superm1: the strange think is that is one machine that I use for the tests, and is the first time that don't work
[05:53] <spoky99> superm1: don't start, mybe is a problem whith the dvdreader, (is one benQ model 1650V)  I cange with one normal CDrom reader
[05:53] <spoky99> superm1: don't start, mybe is a problem whith the dvdreader, (is one benQ model 1650V)  I cange with one normal CDrom reader
[05:53] <spoky99> opss
[05:54] <superm1_> spoky99, i'd anticipate it to be troubles with that reader if anything
[05:55] <spoky99> now... I had a problem with apt-get install --reinstall ubiquity ubiquity-frontend-gtk  :D
[05:56] <spoky99> non one thing goes weel :D
[05:56] <superm1_> spoky99, make sure to apt-get update first
[05:56] <spoky99> I make it from the machine
[05:57] <spoky99> now via ssh
[05:58] <spoky99> superm1: I made a mistake.. was open the first installation windows :(
[06:02] <spoky99> superm1: often I don't read all the line of the error, I'm lazy and.. is in english, is not easy for me! :D
[06:03] <superm1_> spoky99, well with next build this shouldnt be an issue hopefully
[06:08] <spoky99> superm1: I hope that I helped you!
[06:09] <spoky99> superm1: it work! with the cd work!! :D
[06:10] <spoky99>  thanks!
[06:10] <superm1_> np
[06:10] <superm1_> Daviey, pingggg
[06:24] <Daviey> superm1_: pong
[06:24] <Daviey> superm1_: but be fast :) hometime \o/
[06:25] <superm1_> Daviey, I synced to the upstream ubiquity
[06:25] <superm1_> erg merged
[06:25] <Daviey> wow
[06:25] <superm1_> we can no longer build 7.04 images now
[06:25] <Daviey> and it just worked?
[06:25] <Daviey> any issues
[06:25] <superm1_> well just worked... haha
[06:25] <Daviey> gutsy all the way?
[06:25] <superm1_> it took 4 hours to merge our changes
[06:25] <superm1_> to the new version
[06:25] <Daviey> superm1_: good effort!
[06:26] <superm1_> the new version depends on a bunch of gutsy stuff though
[06:26] <superm1_> so there is no way we can build the 7.04 images anymore
[06:26] <superm1_> and 7.10 images can't be built because I've come across VLC and transcode being broken in gutsy
[06:27] <Daviey> vlc and transcode should be dropped until fixed then :)
[06:27] <Daviey> neither are vital to a build
[06:27] <superm1_> well if only that was possible
[06:27] <superm1_> transcode is
[06:27] <Daviey> is it?
[06:27] <Daviey> for a User Job?
[06:27] <superm1_> its a dependency of mythtv-backend
[06:28] <superm1_> and mytharchive
[06:28] <superm1_> and mythtv-transcode-utils
[06:28] <Daviey> ah, yes of course
[06:28] <Daviey> If it's causing major problems; will feisty version slot in for now?
[06:28] <superm1_> unfortunately no
[06:29] <superm1_> I think i'll have resolutions for both of them though, it appears they just need a minor fix in gutsy
[06:29] <Daviey> cool.
[06:29] <Daviey> anyway ttfn - be back in 1-2 hrs
[06:29] <superm1_> ok
[06:29] <superm1_> later
[06:29] <spoky99> hi all
[06:35] <rikishinov> hi guys
[06:35] <superm1_> hi rikishinov
[06:35] <rikishinov> can you give any pointers how to get some pictures, which I made for the mythbuntu, reviewed?
[06:36] <superm1_> rikishinov, some pictures, as in artwork?
[06:38] <rikishinov> yes, I made logo for the project, and would like to share it with others, and get some feedback maybe..
[07:04] <superm1_> rikishinov, post it somewhere, and provide a url in here
[07:04] <superm1_> we can all look it over
[07:19] <rikishinov> superm1_, I managed to get some stuff to http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mytbuntuxc2.png
[07:21] <rikishinov> superm1_, ...any thoughts?
[07:41] <rikishinov> anyone?
[07:48] <laga> that looks nice :)
[08:21] <rogue780|mythsrv> can anyone recommend a good movie editing program that is equal to or surpasses iMovie?
[08:23] <rogue780|mythsrv> I see what's happening here. people keep trying to upstage my mythbuntu usplash...mr rikishinov thinks he can upstage me just be cause he "knows" how to use the GIMP. tsk tsk tsk...
[08:23] <rogue780|mythsrv> but on the other side, I like his more than mine
[08:25] <Daviey> rogue780|mythsrv: your a fine one to talk - you upstaged my usplash
[08:25] <Daviey> and did a better job!
[08:25] <Daviey> git
[08:32] <a5benwillis> I like the little tv
[08:32] <a5benwillis> like it better with "tv" in it too
[08:38] <Daviey> rikishinov: those images are awesome
[08:38] <Daviey> you certainly know your way around the gimp!
[08:43] <rogue780|mythsrv> lol
[08:44] <Daviey> somebody doesn't take praise too well eh?
[08:45] <laga> might have been too much for him
[08:51] <a5benwillis> anybody able to actually watch recordings via mythweb?
[08:52] <rogue780|mythsrv> I know of someone who does in nebraska
[08:52] <a5benwillis> lol
[08:52] <a5benwillis> to much buffering, maybe theres a setting somewhere.
[08:52] <rogue780|mythsrv> I could ask him how--he's using edgy
[08:53] <a5benwillis> as am I
[08:53] <a5benwillis> maybe its my upload bandwidth at home..
[08:53] <a5benwillis> sposed to be at least 256k
[08:58] <a5benwillis> stupid crappy ISP
[08:58] <rogue780|mythsrv> :)
[08:59] <a5benwillis> only getting 59k upload speeds
[09:01] <OpenMedia> bits or bytes ;)
[09:23] <tgm4883> I like rikishinov's work
[09:24] <tgm4883> and while I would like to get away from blue (since kubuntu and xubuntu are blue) I think since mythtv is blue we should stay with that
[09:24] <tgm4883> just my 2 cents
[09:28] <a5benwillis> OpenMedia: Thats abt 480kb
[09:28] <a5benwillis> not enough to watch myth recordings for some reason.
[09:29] <laga> 480kbit/s ought to be enough
[09:29] <laga> isn't it 256kbit/s for video and 64kbit/s for sound?
[09:29] <laga> check the ffmpeg command line it's using
[09:32] <OpenMedia> Be thankful you aren't in NZ. Here we usually get capped at 128Kbits upload
[09:37] <a5benwillis> yeah
[09:37] <a5benwillis> I wish I could see what command the asxstream is using... dont know how though
[09:37] <laga> um
[09:37] <laga> a5benwillis: AFAIK, that'll just deliver the raw recording over http
[09:37] <laga> a5benwillis: are you running svn trunk?
[09:38] <a5benwillis> yes
[09:38] <laga> a5benwillis: what's wrong with the flash streaming?
[09:38] <a5benwillis> asxfile just has "/mythweb/pl/stream/1122/1181347200"
[09:39] <a5benwillis> laga: how do I get to that?
[09:39] <a5benwillis> just click on the image?
[09:39] <laga> a5benwillis: first, install ffmpeg. then, go to the "recorded shows" screen in mythweb and click on the thumbnail
[09:39] <laga> yup
[09:39] <a5benwillis> let see
[09:40] <a5benwillis> let ME see
[09:40] <a5benwillis> looks good
[09:40] <a5benwillis> no soundthough
[09:41] <a5benwillis> searching google for a fixlol
[09:42] <laga> i have a fix
[09:42] <a5benwillis> ooh ohh where?
[09:42] <laga> heh
[09:42] <a5benwillis> sudo aptitude install alsa-oss
[09:42] <a5benwillis> ???
[09:42] <laga> install liblame-dev, apt-get source ffmpeg in a directory of your choice, cd <newly created ffmpeg directory>
[09:42] <laga> no
[09:43] <laga> you need to recompile ffmpeg with mp3 support
[09:43] <a5benwillis> do this on my workstation or the server?
[09:43] <a5benwillis> oh
[09:43] <laga> can you do that yourself or do you want me to walk you through it
[09:43] <laga> on your server
[09:43] <laga> where mythweb lives
[09:44] <a5benwillis> i think I can handle it. I thought it was a workstation issue lol
[09:44] <a5benwillis> actually, may need some help with ffmpeg...
[09:44] <a5benwillis> dont wanna break anything else inmyth...
[09:44] <laga> no worries, that's separate
[09:45] <laga> mythtv ships its own ffmpeg libraries
[09:45] <laga> do you have those deb-src entries enabled in your sources.list for apt?
[09:46] <a5benwillis> I installed everything for myth via src
[09:46] <a5benwillis> svn
[09:46] <laga> ok
[09:46] <laga> run "sudo apt-get build-dep ffmpeg" then
[09:47] <laga> that'll install the build-time dependencies
[09:47] <a5benwillis> system sluggish.. top sais ffmpeg usin 99% of cpu
[09:48] <a5benwillis> better now
[09:48] <laga> heh
[09:48] <laga> what cPU?
[09:48] <a5benwillis> duocore 2 1.8
[09:48] <a5benwillis> erm core 2 duo 1.8 lol
[09:49] <laga> heh, you've still got one core free then
[09:49] <a5benwillis> i didnt check the other core when I looked at top.. It fealt pretty bad though
[09:49] <laga> sorry if my typing is even worse than usual, i'm almost falling asleep here
[09:49] <a5benwillis> no no dont do that!!! I need your help :D
[09:49] <laga> heh
[09:49] <laga> i know
[09:49] <a5benwillis> ok debsdoownloaded
[09:49] <a5benwillis> deps
[09:50] <a5benwillis> <-bad space bar
[09:50] <laga> then create some kind of temporary directory, you probably don't want to clutter your home directory with ffmpeg stuff
[09:50] <a5benwillis> /usr/src/ffmpeg
[09:50] <a5benwillis> done
[09:51] <laga> run apt-get source ffmpeg
[09:52] <a5benwillis> doner
[09:52] <laga> change to that new ffmpeg source directory
[09:53] <a5benwillis> k
[09:53] <laga> um
[09:54] <a5benwillis> ?
[09:54] <laga> run "./configure --help | grep lame" to find out the correct configure option to enable lame support
[09:55] <a5benwillis>  --enable-mp3lame
[09:55] <laga> yup
[09:55] <laga> um
[09:55] <laga> open debian/rules in your editor and add it to the configure call
[09:55] <laga> i'll show you mine
[09:56] <a5benwillis> ok, I dont know where that is?
[09:57] <laga> i just stuck it somewhere at the top of the file
[09:58] <laga> http://pastebin.ca/562444
[09:58] <a5benwillis> ah, k
[09:59] <laga> wow. i even put a "my change" in there. ;)
[10:00] <a5benwillis> so all I need is mychange
[10:00] <a5benwillis> aftermychange
[10:01] <laga> yup
[10:02] <laga> if you want to be really spiffy, you can also open debian/control and add liblame-dev to the build-depends
[10:02] <a5benwillis> I shouldnteven need --enable-mp3lame with configure since its in the rules?
[10:02] <laga> huh?
[10:03] <a5benwillis> nm
[10:03] <a5benwillis> looking at control now
[10:03] <laga> <- tired. please write full sentences :)
[10:04] <a5benwillis> do I have to add that to control. I admit that I dont exactly know what to add and where...
[10:04] <laga> no, you don't have to, but it'll give you the good feeling that your package is "proper". eg the build scripts will know that we now need liblame to build ffmpeg
[10:05] <a5benwillis> is it easy to tell me where to add it to the control file?
[10:05] <laga> yup
[10:06] <a5benwillis> trying to googleit at the same time to learn :)
[10:06] <laga> just read some debian package maintainer guides
[10:06] <laga> io bet superm1 can recommend one to you
[10:07] <laga> there's also a good one linked from the *dapper* release notes
[10:07] <superm1_> just got back.  those graphics are great
[10:07] <superm1_> i really like hvaing the TV in there
[10:07] <superm1_> in the middle
[10:07] <laga> http://www.pastebin.ca/562466 - a5benwillis can you see this?
[10:07] <a5benwillis> yes
[10:07] <laga> a5benwillis: http://www.pastebin.ca/562468 - make it look like this
[10:08] <superm1_> where did that fellow run off to?,
[10:08] <a5benwillis> laga: that was easy
[10:09] <laga> a5benwillis: ;)
[10:09] <laga> a5benwillis: we should update the changelog as well, huh?
[10:09] <laga> a5benwillis: use "head debian/changelog" to find out the current version
[10:09] <a5benwillis> so now just " sudo ./configure --enable-mp3lame
[10:09] <a5benwillis> "
[10:09] <laga> a5benwillis: no :)
[10:09] <superm1_> what are you kids working on?
[10:10] <laga> superm1_: recompiling a5benwillis' ffmpeg to include mp3 support
[10:10] <superm1_> doesn't medibuntu's have that
[10:10] <a5benwillis> trying to get sound workingin my flashvide
[10:10] <a5benwillis> video
[10:10] <laga> superm1_: it's needed for the flash streaming in mythweb
[10:11] <a5benwillis> ./configure without --enable-mp3lame?
[10:11] <laga> a5benwillis: no
[10:11] <superm1_> laga, i'm pretty sure medibuntu does this already
[10:12] <superm1_> with mp3 support
[10:12] <superm1_> for ffmpeg
[10:12] <laga> a5benwillis: let's update the changelog first. this hasd the side ffect that dpkg won't complain since we will re-install with the same version number
[10:12] <laga> hum
[10:12] <a5benwillis> i had medibuntu and it still didnt work, superm1
[10:12] <laga> that didn't really make sense. ;)
[10:12] <a5benwillis> ok, ready to update changelog
[10:13] <laga> a5benwillis: got the current version number? head debian/changelog
[10:13] <a5benwillis> umm, no
[10:13] <laga> it probably looks like "3:0.cvs20060823-3.1ubuntu1"
[10:14] <a5benwillis> where do I find it?
[10:14] <laga> a5benwillis: run "head debian/changelog"
[10:15] <a5benwillis> (0.cvs20060823-3.1
[10:15] <a5benwillis> 0.cvs20060823-3.1
[10:15] <a5benwillis> um
[10:15] <a5benwillis> actually
[10:15] <a5benwillis> 3:0.cvs20060823-3.1ubuntu1
[10:16] <laga> i just increased the last number
[10:16] <laga> run "dch -v 3:0.cvs20060823-3.1ubuntu2" and be prepared to enter the changelog
[10:17] <a5benwillis> dch not found
[10:18] <laga> a5benwillis: it's in the devscripts package
[10:18] <a5benwillis> ok
[10:18] <a5benwillis> inchangelog
[10:20] <a5benwillis> this is all new to me. Am I actually changing a changelog other than on my system?
[10:20] <laga> no
[10:20] <laga> it's all local
[10:20] <a5benwillis> shew
[10:20] <laga> no worries :)
[10:20] <a5benwillis> k
[10:20] <a5benwillis> I seemy entry at the top
[10:20] <a5benwillis> with an *
[10:20] <laga> no you can put in something like " * add --enable-xvid and --enable-mp3lame to confflags" and quit the editor
[10:20] <laga> s/no//
[10:21] <a5benwillis> ok
[10:21] <a5benwillis> done
[10:22] <laga> fine
[10:22] <laga> let's run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot now
[10:22] <a5benwillis> ERROR: XviD not found
[10:23] <a5benwillis> make: *** [build-stamp]  Error 1
[10:23] <laga> did you put in --enable-xvid as well? you don't need that
[10:23] <laga> that was just my stuff
[10:23] <laga> take it out if you don't need it
[10:24] <a5benwillis> yeah, its happy now
[10:25] <a5benwillis> just a make and make install after this right?
[10:26] <laga> no
[10:26] <a5benwillis> LOL i SUCK...lol
[10:26] <laga> can you read? :)
[10:26] <laga> 22:21 < laga> let's run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot now
[10:26] <a5benwillis> YEAH, THATS RUNNING NOW
[10:26] <a5benwillis> oops
[10:26] <a5benwillis> sry caps
[10:26] <a5benwillis> so ./configure next
[10:26] <laga> NO WORRIES
[10:26] <laga> KTHY
[10:26] <laga> ;)
[10:26] <laga> no
[10:26] <laga> just let it run
[10:27] <laga> it's building the package now :)
[10:27] <a5benwillis> k
[10:27] <a5benwillis> gonna take a while?
[10:27] <a5benwillis> <- pretty fast system here :P
[10:27] <laga> 10 minutes i'd guesstimate
[10:28] <a5benwillis> k, brb. br break
[10:28] <laga> br? beer?
[10:28] <a5benwillis> was bathroom break
[10:28] <a5benwillis> but its closed, bummer
[10:29] <a5benwillis> people heading home here.
[10:29] <a5benwillis> slackers :-)
[10:29] <laga> bathroom is closed?
[10:31] <a5benwillis> locked... dodnt feel like finding the key
[10:31] <a5benwillis> ok done building
[10:31] <laga> right
[10:31] <laga> cd ../
[10:33] <laga> sudo dpkg -i ..
[10:33] <laga> just install those new debs, but don't install the *-dev* packages
[10:33] <laga> you usually don't need them
[10:33] <kruuli> Heya :>
[10:34] <laga> make *sure* to install the libavcodec and libavformat ones as well.
[10:34] <a5benwillis> so install all of the debs?
[10:34] <a5benwillis> there are 8 of them
[10:34] <a5benwillis> sry 9
[10:34] <laga> 22:33 < laga> just install those new debs, but don't install the *-dev* packages
[10:35] <superm1_> laga,is there anyway around the flash player needing mp3 support in ffmpeg?  What do we do come release time then?
[10:35] <laga> i forgot to install libavformat and libavcodec and was still missing mp3 support. :)
[10:35] <laga> superm1_: transcoding will take place in the backend by the time 0.21 is final
[10:35] <laga> superm1_: that or xris will remove the streaming again.
[10:35] <superm1_> laga, so this is just a temporary solution
[10:35] <laga> yup
[10:35] <laga> i hope so.
[10:37] <a5benwillis> ok, think theyre all installed
[10:38] <a5benwillis> and i have sound!!!!
[10:38] <a5benwillis> thanks laga!!
[10:38] <laga> i could have just uploaded my debs, but that was easier
[10:38] <a5benwillis> and I learned a little
[10:38] <a5benwillis> that was all new to me
[10:39] <a5benwillis> so now ffmpeg is transcodingthis ont he fly?
[10:39] <laga> yup
[10:39] <a5benwillis> if I stop the the player does it continue to transcode in the background or does it stop?
[10:40] <a5benwillis> cpu looks much better now as well!!
[10:41] <laga> a5benwillis: if you are interested in making debian packages: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[10:41] <laga> a5benwillis: yes, it'll stop after some time
[10:41] <a5benwillis> ok
[10:41] <a5benwillis> laga: Thanks alot! I have to head home from work now but I really appreciate it.
[10:42] <a5benwillis> bookmarked that site
[10:42] <superm1_> !packageguide > a5benwillis
[10:42] <superm1_> too
[10:43] <superm1_> oh if your not registered with freenode you wont see it.
[10:43] <superm1_> !packageguide
[10:43] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[10:43] <a5benwillis> got it
[10:43] <a5benwillis> back ina bit!
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120092 in ffmpeg (main) "Apps are depending on libpostproc0d when gutsy has libpostproc1d" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120092
[10:46] <laga> superm1_: nice work :))
[10:47] <superm1_> laga, its the show stopper stuff stopping a 7.10 build of mythbuntu :)
[10:47] <laga> nifty:)
[10:47] <laga> i'll try to finish the mythweb stuff till next weekend.
[10:48] <superm1_> till?
[10:48] <superm1_> you mean by right
[10:48] <laga> i'm already way too excited. gonna get the results for my finals tomorrow.
[10:48] <laga> um, yes
[10:48] <laga> EBROKENENGLISH :)
[10:49] <superm1_> well in the interim to accelerate the builds of these problems with VLC and transcode, I might just put these on mythbuntu.org for now
[10:49] <superm1_> so I can kick off a 7.10 build tonight
[10:49] <superm1_> and see what's broken
[10:49] <laga> heh
[10:49] <laga> i hope it's not too much :)
[11:06] <laga> g'nighzt
[11:31] <CDG52> hey does anyone know why mythtv making picture lag compared to audio?
[11:31] <CDG52> im using a old wintv card
[11:31] <CDG52> that uses the input jack for audio
[11:31] <CDG52> in tvtime it runs fine
[12:13] <kruuli> is there a fast way to upgrade my geforce 4 MX card in the terminal window?
[12:16] <OpenMedia> Upgrade the nvidia driver?
[12:23] <kruuli> heh sorry for my noobishness .. but how do i go about doing that? can i just log out of myth and use the browser and go to nvidia.com like i whould in windows?