[12:30] <emdash> i installed emacs, but when I type C-h i (to start info) then m Emacs, i do not have the main emacs manual installed
[12:30] <emdash> searching for emacs in synaptic does not turn up an obvious emacs manual page
[12:31] <emdash> *package
[12:31] <emdash> what am I missing
[12:47] <BelialMkII> Hey there, was wondering how i would ser xubuntu to use a USB headset for sound output, the speakers on this laptop are really bad, even if it is a command that has to be issued every time they are plugged in would be good
[12:48] <crimsun> asoundconf set-default-card
[12:48] <crimsun> see the output from `asoundconf list`
[12:48] <BelialMkII> thanks crimsun
[12:48] <crimsun> e.g., asoundconf set-default-card Headset
[12:48] <crimsun> you'll then need to restart your sound app(s)
[12:49] <BelialMkII> Brilliant, thanks again for the help
[12:49] <crimsun> (an alternative is using pulseaudio and libasound2-plugins with pavucontrol)
[12:49] <BelialMkII> I'll look into that
[12:50] <ketrox> hello
[12:50] <GrueTamer> hi
[12:51] <ketrox> i'm trying to get xubuntu 7.04 running on an old p3
[12:51] <ketrox> i installed it using the alternate cd
[12:51] <emdash> cool
[12:52] <ketrox> and now i can login with the login manager
[12:52] <ketrox> but when i try to run some application
[12:52] <ketrox> the xserver just restart
[12:53] <ketrox> so i thougt maybe xfce was too heavy for the laptop
[12:53] <ketrox> and tried to install fluxbox
[12:54] <ketrox> but i cannot connect to the internet over usb with my router
[12:54] <emdash> ummm
[12:54] <emdash> it's not because of xfce
[12:55] <emdash> which programs are yo utrying to run, what graphics card are you using
[12:55] <ketrox> ?
[12:56] <emdash> i can't help you with the usb problem...it may or may not be supported under linux
[12:56] <ketrox> the graphik card is a Neomagic NM2380
[12:56] <ketrox> it is supported
[12:56] <ketrox> when i run dmesg
[12:56] <ketrox> i see that the kernel recognize it
[12:56] <cheeseboy> hi
[12:56] <GrueTamer> hi
[12:56] <ketrox> and make it to eth0
[12:56] <cheeseboy> i have aproblem
[12:57] <emdash> ketrox: oh, that's good
[12:57] <GrueTamer> !ask
[12:57] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:57] <GrueTamer> hey, it almost applies :)
[12:57] <ketrox> but when i try to do ifup eth0
[12:57] <emdash> ketrox: but let's take things one at a time
[12:57] <ketrox> it says ignore unknown device
[12:57] <ketrox> ok edmash
[12:57] <cheeseboy> im remote loggingin using xdmcp but the two pcs have different types of keyboard whatdo i do ?
[12:58] <GrueTamer> you could use a layout of the other kind of keyboard layout and substitute keys, i dunno
[12:58] <emdash> ketrox: it would help if you could put the x server errors into a paste bin
[12:58] <GrueTamer> well, that might not work...but its something to try
[12:59] <GrueTamer> youre sure that it doesnt work normally, right?
[12:59] <emdash> ketrox: also, for the time being you might want to kill gdm and start x from the console
[12:59] <ketrox> edmash i tried this too
[12:59] <ketrox> but it is still the same thing
[12:59] <emdash> ketrox: the proper way to do that is to <ctrl><alt>F1 to switch to the text console
[01:00] <emdash> login, then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:00] <cheeseboy> so what do i do?
[01:00] <emdash> then you can start x11 with startx
[01:00] <ketrox> i did exactly that edmash still the same
[01:01] <emdash> right
[01:01] <emdash> but now can you put the errors into a pastebin so I can see them?
[01:01] <ketrox> where should i look for xserver error
[01:01] <ketrox> ?
[01:02] <bulio_> I installed automatix, and got non-free codecs
[01:02] <emdash> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:02] <bulio_> but I still cant play mp3s in rhythmbox
[01:02] <cheeseboy> help??
[01:02] <bulio_> trying to play one crashes rhythmbox
[01:02] <bulio_> but amarok and xmms work fine
[01:03] <crimsun> amarok uses libxine1-ffmpeg, which depends on libmad0
[01:03] <crimsun> xmms includes its own mpg123-based plugin
[01:03] <cheeseboy> help
[01:03] <cheeseboy> please
[01:04] <cheeseboy> im remote loggingin using xdmcp but the two pcs have different types of keyboard whatdo i do ?
[01:04] <bulio_> crimsun, what do I need for rhythmbox then?
[01:04] <emdash> ketrox: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:04] <emdash> ketrox: use pastebin.ca btw, do NOT paste it into the channel
[01:05] <vidd> cheeseboy, when you say "two differenttypes of keyboards" what do you mean?
[01:05] <crimsun> bulio_: either gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 or gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
[01:05] <cheeseboy> ones laptop ones pc keyboard
[01:05] <vidd> like one us english, and the other spanish (or someother language) and the keys are nothing alike?
[01:06] <cheeseboy> like if itype sudo on other keyboard its s4d6
[01:06] <vidd> oh....turn the num lock off on the laptop
[01:07] <bulio_> I have -ugly installed
[01:07] <ketrox> i'm trying to cop the file to an usb stick so how can i do it from the terminal ?
[01:07] <cheeseboy> thnx vidd
[01:08] <vidd> no problem
[01:08] <crimsun> bulio_: so remove -ugly and install the other
[01:08] <crimsun> bulio_: then restart rhythmbox and see if you can reproduce the symptom.  If so, file a bug.
[01:08] <bulio_> ok
[01:09] <bulio_> I have both actually
[01:10] <vidd> cheeseboy, do you have your desktop set up so that it turns the num lock on automatically when starting x?
[01:11] <cheeseboy> vidd im not sure but it was on
[01:12] <vidd> well...i knew it was on when i notice it was substituting "4" for "u" and "6" for "o"
[01:14] <vidd> but the question is...did you deliberately take extra steps to forse your desktop to automatically turn the num lock on at boot....or did this happen because you accedentally hit the <fn> instead of the <shift> when doing something
[01:14] <vidd> ...or <alt>.....or <cntrl>....
[01:46] <ketrox> emdash http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25172/
[01:53] <ketrox> emdash are u still here ?
[02:37] <vidd_laptop> !version
[02:37] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[02:43] <mscdex> is it possible to download all necessary drivers and/or apps for connecting up a scanner (HP scanjet 5300 to be exact) so that I can install them on another PC offline?
[02:53] <kalikiana> mscdex, Of course. You can download debian packages or tarballs and copy them via any medium.
[02:56] <vidd_laptop> !init.d
[02:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about init.d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:57] <vidd_laptop> how do you add something like rbot to init.d?
[03:03] <Jester45> !init
[03:03] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[03:03] <Jester45> vidd, use rc.locla
[03:04] <mscdex> kalikiana: Where might I find them? Also, a major concern of mine is dependencies, is there a way I can make sure I have all that I need for the offline PC?
[03:06] <kalikiana> mscdex, For everything provided directly by ubuntu, I suggest http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for a start. You can see the dependencies of each package there.
[03:11] <vidd_laptop> *wave* cellofellow
[03:12] <cellofellow> hello
[03:14] <cellofellow> vidd: I may have a use for some of your webspace. I need something that would simulate the controls I'd have on a two-bit host. FTP, PHP5, and phpMyAdmin. I need to install Drupal on a server the "hard way", without using the deb package.
[03:14] <cellofellow> This is for my schools website.
[03:17] <cellofellow> vidd_laptop: ^^^^
[03:18] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, come to #viddandme
[03:18] <cellofellow> ok
[04:40] <Chikubu> hi pplz
[04:40] <Chikubu> what is the best app to add to control wireless conections?
[04:41] <Pumpernickel> wifi-radar
[04:41] <Chikubu> ha! was looking right at that
[04:41] <Chikubu> thnx
[04:42] <Chikubu> i wanna share a printer wireless, any gotcha's to look out for?
[04:47] <slurpee> xubuntu rox0r
[04:49] <kalikiana> XFCE4.4 rox even more :P
[04:49] <kalikiana> But rox doesn't rock at all.
[04:50] <slurpee> xfce4.4 is what xubuntu is currently running ?
[04:54] <malcolmb> ya
[04:56] <slurpee> what cool applications/utills do you recommend for xubuntu ?
[04:56] <slurpee> i have it running on a pretty old compaq presario.....it has been stable for about a month now
[04:57] <malcolmb> you have any apps in mind?
[04:57] <malcolmb> have you visited the xfce wiki?
[04:57] <kalikiana> slurpee, http://wiki.xfce.org/recommendedapps
[04:58] <malcolmb> there you go
[05:03] <slurpee> sweet site
[05:03] <slurpee> what wiki software is that ?
[05:09] <j1mc> slurpee: what the site?
[05:09] <slurpee> yea
[06:02] <feliciano> Hi... I got a problem And I cant run "services"... I need how can I launch it from a terminal... may be if I run it like root it works...
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> feliciano: what specifically are you trying to run?
[06:04] <vidd_laptop> sudo services-admin
[06:05] <feliciano> thanks but doesnt work too
[06:05] <feliciano> this is my problem
[06:05] <feliciano> (services-admin:4802): Liboobs-WARNING **: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
[06:05] <feliciano> (services-admin:4802): Liboobs-WARNING **: OobsSession object hasn't connected to the bus, cannot register OobsObject
[06:05] <feliciano> (services-admin:4802): Liboobs-CRITICAL **: run_message: assertion `oobs_session_get_connected (priv->session)' failed
[06:05] <feliciano> (services-admin:4802): Liboobs-CRITICAL **: oobs_session_get_platform: assertion `priv->connection != NULL' failed
[06:09] <feliciano> sorry about the paste
[06:09] <feliciano> this is my problem when I try to run services... please see it http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25189/
[06:10] <maxamillion> feliciano: its alright, sorry for the kick ... it was pre-mature, i've just been on edge lately ... you really didn't do anything wrong, i should have warned first
[06:10] <maxamillion> feliciano: ok, lemme take a look at the paste
[06:10] <Pumpernickel> DBUS doesn't seem to be running, or at least running but incorrectly configured.
[06:11] <feliciano> Pumpernickel I guess I unable it by mistake... how can I enable again??
[06:11] <maxamillion> ah, yes ... i think dbus failed to load at boot ... or something killed it, it crashed, etc.
[06:11] <feliciano> maxamillion... dont worry about the kick
[06:11] <maxamillion> :)
[06:11] <feliciano> maxamillion... any idea to enable it?
[06:12] <maxamillion> feliciano: uhmm... did you disable it?
[06:12] <feliciano> maxamillion... by mistake... I guess yes
[06:12] <maxamillion> feliciano: ok, just a moment
[06:12] <feliciano> maxamillion... thnaks
[06:17] <maxamillion> feliciano: i can't seem to find any good info on how to re-enable it, so we are going to do it the round about way ... do you use apt-get or aptitude for package management?
[06:17] <Pumpernickel> It should be possible to enable it in services admin.
[06:17] <feliciano> maxamillion, I found it
[06:17] <Pumpernickel> There's also /etc/init.d/dbus, I believe.
[06:17] <feliciano> if you wanna now I do this..
[06:18] <feliciano> run sudo /etc/init.d/dbus start
[06:18] <feliciano> and then I run services-admin
[06:18] <feliciano> And then enable dbus again
[06:18] <maxamillion> feliciano: right, but if you removed it somewhere then it won't restart when you reboot the machine ... unless you just killed the service and not actually removed it from an init somewhere
[06:19] <feliciano> maxamillion... I disable it while I desable others services... by mistake..
[06:20] <maxamillion> but yes .... "sudo /etc/init.d/dbus start" would start the service, but it won't replace it in a runtime level init config
[06:20] <maxamillion> feliciano: oh, ok ... i misunderstood what you had done, yes ... that command will work
[06:20] <feliciano> maxamillion... I going to reboot And see if all come back to normally
[06:20] <maxamillion> feliciano: okies, we will be here
[06:20] <feliciano> maxamillion, Pumpernickel.. thanks a lot
[06:21] <maxamillion> anytime
[06:25] <feliciano> All right buddies!!!
[06:25] <feliciano> thanks again
[06:26] <feliciano> just another question... I guess I see something failed in the boot... Where is the log file of the boot??
[06:26] <maxamillion> anytime
[06:27] <Pumpernickel> `dmesg`
[06:28] <Chikubu> question about the add/remove apps, i removed an app giving me problems, and re-added it, i noticed it didnt download, so it must be parked in temp directory or cache someplace, is this something i should clear out periodicly?
[06:30] <maxamillion> Chikubu: /var/cache/apt/ ... but just because it doesn't download shouldn't change anything, apt does an md5sum on the downloaded package so every download is literally identical in data
[06:33] <feliciano> can I tell you something is not and question? Is more than a help
[06:33] <feliciano> for me of course
[06:34] <Chikubu> ok, just wondeing if it would fill up over time
[06:35] <Chikubu> how does networking determine host names? i can ping one pc on network by name, but the otheronly by ip
[06:35] <Chikubu> maybe because one is set as ad hoc gateway running ics
[06:36] <Chikubu> ive spent hours making a usb wirless adaptor see my access point connected to my router, with dchp turned off using ics and its "router" function
[06:36] <Chikubu> but it works!
[06:36] <vidd_laptop> Chikubu, it determines it by internal DNS
[06:36] <maxamillion> feliciano: sure
[06:36] <Chikubu> mostly...
[06:38] <maxamillion> Chikubu: you can add them statically to /etc/hosts if you use static ips on anything, but otherwise yes ... it is determined via the internal DNS
[06:38] <feliciano> maxamillion.. dont worry its just I'm doing a blog in spanish to help xubuntu users more newbies than me :D and I need if you know some xubuntu webs where I can find some tips
[06:38] <Chikubu> ok ill consider the host file
[06:38] <Chikubu> my next thing im working on is getting shares working through the wireless connection
[06:39] <feliciano> maxamillion.. btw www.xubuntuchile.wordpress.com
[06:39] <Chikubu> not sure what samba's gonna make out of the wireless thing
[06:39] <vidd_laptop> the router functionality will pass the domain name of the computer with the internet connection to allthe other computers in your network...because they need to know where to get thier dns from
[06:40] <Chikubu> the router is software atm, widows ics
[06:40] <maxamillion> feliciano: www.xubuntu.org is a good place to start, there is also http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/, and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[06:40] <vidd_laptop> so i can assume that the computer with the internet connction is the one you can ping by mane?
[06:40] <Chikubu> yes
[06:41] <feliciano> maxamillion...nice... tnx
[06:41] <maxamillion> feliciano: anytime
[06:41] <Chikubu> its the gateway the xubuntu system is using via the wireless via the router acting as a hub via the dial up
[06:41] <vidd_laptop> Chikubu, the router functionality i spoke about can be either hardware or software
[06:42] <Chikubu> just telling you its software atm
[06:42] <vidd_laptop> i knew it was software....
[06:42] <vidd_laptop> cuzz you said "ad hock"
[06:42] <Chikubu> k lol
[06:43] <Chikubu> i need to bone up on command line commands for configuring the network or view it
[06:43] <feliciano> maxamillion  xubuntu.wordpress.com is out date?? dont run anymore??
[06:44] <maxamillion> feliciano: oh... hadn't noticed
[06:45] <vidd_laptop> its there.....
[06:46] <vidd_laptop> just hasnt been updated since september of last year
[06:47] <feliciano> vidd_laptop... I think nobody going to write there anymore...
[06:48] <maxamillion> feliciano: i know the author, i will speak with him about updating more
[06:49] <feliciano> maxamillion... I wait some news :P Now I'm going to bed... see you tomorrow guys
[06:49] <maxamillion> night night
[06:50] <vidd_laptop> maxamillion, who is the author?
[06:50] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: i am pretty sure its josh
[06:51] <maxamillion> cellofellow: ping
[06:51] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow ?
[06:52] <vidd_laptop> i need some assistance with setting up a mail server
[06:52] <vidd_laptop> can you recomend some reading material?
[06:53] <vidd_laptop> i want to use post-fix, and to set up webmail
[06:53] <maxamillion> uhmm... not off the top of my head
[06:53] <maxamillion> lemme check something
[06:53] <Pumpernickel> http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html ^_^
[06:55] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: and for pleasant user interface, try out http://roundcube.net/
[06:55] <Chikubu> does xubuntu have software firewall enabled by default?
[06:56] <tonyyarusso> !firewall | Chikubu
[06:56] <ubotu> Chikubu: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[07:01] <sigmamu188> maxamillion:  just got back from egypt
[07:02] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: whats the offtopic?
[07:02] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: #xubuntu-offtopic
[07:02] <Chikubu> lol was just typing that commadn in to see what it did, didnt know it was firewall
[07:04] <Chikubu> ill check out firestarter then,thnx
[07:04] <Chikubu> i know that ubuntu uses diffrent desktop environment, should i avoid apps for that environment?
[07:05] <tonyyarusso> Gnome and XFCE use the same toolkit, so they're very interoperable (just a question of installing extra libraries sometimes), KDE stuff will run fine on Xubuntu as well, and depending on who you ask it may or may not make a difference.
[07:05] <vidd_laptop> no...you can even install kde apps if ya want
[07:06] <maxamillion> Chikubu: firestarter is really nice
[07:06] <maxamillion> kde apps are slower because it has to pull in kde-libs and qt-libs into ram
[07:07] <Chikubu> ah good cause im downloading a kde app now and all its dependancies
[07:07] <maxamillion> Chikubu: yeah, it will work .. but you will probably notice it will load more slowly than most other apps
[07:07] <maxamillion> interesting bug i recently learned about in aptitude ... there are interesting inconsistencies between the UI and the CLI modes of aptitude
[07:08] <Chikubu> but the app loads the libraries at run time, they arent loaded at boot right?
[07:08] <maxamillion> Chikubu: right
[07:08] <Chikubu> ok that was my concern, just installing them would cause overall peformance hit, i can handle per application hit
[07:08] <maxamillion> Chikubu: there is a place in xfce you can tell xfce to load "kde support" at login time, but you generally want to leave that unchecked
[07:08] <Chikubu> ok
[07:09] <maxamillion> Chikubu: yeah, it will only be a per application performance hit
[07:09] <maxamillion> night vidd_laptop
[07:10] <Chikubu> this wireless access point confuzzes me, i gave it a static ip, its working in xubunto, but what if another wirless adaptor wants to connect to it? they can both use the same ip, does the access point manage sharing of the one ip somehow?
[07:10] <maxamillion> Chikubu: 2 wifi adapters on the same machine?
[07:11] <j1mc> hi maxamillion
[07:13] <Chikubu> no i mean the access point has been assigned a static ip, on the xubunto machine ive given the usb wireless adaptor that ip to find the wireless network, if i put another wireless adaptor on another machine, and pointed it to that ip, wouldnt that be a conflict?
[07:13] <Chikubu> i didnt wordd that well
[07:14] <j1mc> Chikubu: so having the same IP address point to two machines?
[07:14] <j1mc> or even just have it point to two adapters?
[07:14] <Chikubu> thats what i dont understand
[07:14] <j1mc> yeah...  i'm not sure i understand by reading your description.
[07:15] <Chikubu> the access point you connect straight to wired router (acting as hub here) or right into lan card to configure via webbrowser, i assigned the acces point a static ip
[07:16] <Chikubu> so you bring in a pc with a wireless adapter, it communicates with the access point, using the static ip of the access point i assume
[07:16] <Chikubu> doesnt seem like it leaves much room for another pc with wireless adapter to come in and use that one ip
[07:17] <Chikubu> unless the access point is doing something i dont understand yet
[07:19] <Chikubu> i guess i dont understand how the gateway works completly yet, ill read
[07:46] <AlexTheGreat> hello
[07:49] <Jester45> hi
[07:50] <Jester45> and bye everyone
[08:02] <jrsims> weird. when I go to use lynx and open google.com, suddenly a gui text editor opens with the page contents of google.com. Why is that happening?
[09:38] <dga> can anyone recommend a decent-looking terminal font?
[09:46] <Pumpernickel> Monospace, 9pt, green on black background.
[09:47] <SniZ> xubuntu is good for ibm x31 laptop?
[09:48] <Pumpernickel> Should be fine.
[09:49] <SniZ> and i can use something like network manager live desktop applet?
[09:50] <Pumpernickel> If you're looking for a wifi management tool, wifi-radar is decent.
[09:51] <SniZ> .
[09:51] <SniZ> mmm.....
[11:40] <MaxFrames> hello
[11:44] <Catoptromancy> hey hey
[11:57] <MaxFrames> after the upgrade, will my settings stay (example: I've customized the panels)
[11:57] <MaxFrames> ?
[12:00] <predaeus> MaxFrames, they should. Sometimes things get messy. But basically they should stay. That is the idea of upgrading.
[12:04] <predaeus> MaxFrames, depending on what way of upgrading you chose, the application might ask if it should keep the configuration for an application or use the new one provided with the package.
[12:04] <Catoptromancy> A little trick i figured
[12:04] <Catoptromancy> backup all your hidden files/folders in /home/
[12:04] <Catoptromancy> heh
[12:05] <Catoptromancy> I reformatted and put them back in. Didnt even need to sign-in to forums
[12:05] <Catoptromancy> panels and everything was just like how i had it
[12:07] <MaxFrames> i guess there is no way to pause the upgrade process and put the PC into standby? It will take another 1:45 hours and I have to leave in 2 hours
[12:07] <MaxFrames> and i will come back only thursday
[12:10] <predaeus> MaxFrames, it might be possible if it is still downloading packages, not instlaling yet.
[12:11] <MaxFrames> it's already installing big time :P
[12:11] <predaeus> MaxFrames, if so, it should pick up from where it left next time. Because apt caches downloaded packages. so they must not be downloaded again.
[12:11] <predaeus> oh well then better leave it running. might mess something up. not sure.
[12:27] <MaxFrames> it's accelerating... now it says 50 minutes left... let's hope it's right :)
[12:44] <woot> if I go use dialup setting under applications >> system >> network I can set it up to use aol right? thinking about switching to netzero
[12:45] <woot> anything I should know about using dialup with xubuntu?
[12:53] <zoppo> hello?
[01:14] <redmonkey> hi
[01:15] <redmonkey> i cant run thunderbird anymore. i recieve an segmentation fault as soon as i start it :(
[01:17] <redmonkey> only root is able to run it without crashing it
[01:17] <redmonkey> i also tried to delete /home/myname/.mozilla-thunderbird completely. but it didnt help
[01:18] <redmonkey> what else could i try?
[01:20] <redmonkey> *sigh*
[01:25] <redmonkey> hello? are you sitting on your hands? :)
[01:33] <predaeus> redmonkey, what did you do?
[01:33] <redmonkey> actually i don't know. nothing as far as i know..
[01:34] <redmonkey> i ran a little python program that crashed my whole system. i had to turn out my computer to reset
[01:34] <redmonkey> but all filesystems are ok. i checked them with fsck
[01:35] <predaeus> so mozilla-thunderbird does not run, but sudo mozilla-thunderbird does?
[01:35] <redmonkey> exactly
[01:36] <redmonkey> i created a new user to test if i can run thunderbird with it. but it didnt work either. only root is able to run thunderbird
[01:36] <redmonkey> i really dont get it
[01:37] <predaeus> try ddd mozilla-thunderbird to get an idea where it crashes.
[01:38] <predaeus> or gdb
[01:38] <predaeus> gdb mozilla-thunderbird
[01:38] <predaeus> ah,, no that does not work its a script
[01:39] <redmonkey> "/usr/bin/mozilla-thunderbird": not in executable format: File format not recognized
[01:39] <predaeus> yes I saw that :-(
[01:40] <redmonkey> i run mozilla-thunderbird from a terminal. then it starts, shows the thunderbird main window for a second and closes it right after. then it displays this message in the terminal:
[01:41] <redmonkey> DOUBLE-CLICK: 300 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1 Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[01:41] <predaeus> what python script did you run? did you run it as root?
[01:42] <redmonkey> it was called pyracerz and i didnt run it as root
[01:44] <predaeus> was it from the repos?
[01:44] <redmonkey> yes
[01:45] <predaeus> hm then it shouldnt be intrusive or anything
[01:45] <predaeus> eh I mean harmful
[01:45] <predaeus> hm in /usr/bin/mozilla-thunderbird is an option for enabling debugging, you could try that.
[01:46] <predaeus> maybe it's just for the script though
[01:47] <redmonkey> how do i enable it?
[01:49] <predaeus> gksudo mousepad /usr/bin/mozilla-thunderbird    then look for the line     "set -x" and remove the # infront to enable it. add the # later again.
[01:49] <predaeus> but I fear that is just for debugging the script that launches the thunderbird binary
[01:50] <predaeus> you can still try to reinstall thunderbird.
[01:50] <redmonkey> i did. didnt help :(
[01:50] <predaeus> hm
[01:50] <bobslaede> hey, is there a better tool for changing keyboard layouts (like the keyboard settings gnome has), as it seems my U.S layout isn't that sane..
[01:50] <predaeus> aha DOUBLE-CLICK: 300 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1 + exitcode=0
[01:50] <predaeus> says that here too but runs fine
[01:51] <predaeus> with debugging enabled like I said above, I can see that line too
[01:51] <predaeus> this is totally weird
[01:52] <predaeus> also if run like this   /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird-bin     it prints that line too
[01:52] <predaeus> but runs fine always
[01:54] <predaeus> hm it always prints that line it seems, or I just caused it to somehow. but it runs fine apart from that.
[01:54] <redmonkey> if i try to run /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh
[01:54] <redmonkey> it says
[01:54] <redmonkey> run-mozilla.sh: Cannot execute .
[01:55] <predaeus> yea add the second part after.  /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird-bin       but it doesnt make a difference
[01:55] <predaeus> "/usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird-bin"
[01:55] <redmonkey> ahh
[01:55] <redmonkey> ok, same error... Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[01:56] <predaeus> basically it seems like that error is usual. but the segfault is not...hm
[01:56] <predaeus> weird what could cause it to change DOUBLE-CLICK: 300 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1 + exitcode=0 to DOUBLE-CLICK: 300 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1 Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[01:57] <predaeus> redmonkey, probably ask in #ubuntu-mozillateam   but there are not many people there
[01:59] <MaxFrames> hello
[01:59] <redmonkey> ok, i'll try my luck in there.. thanks for everythings, predaeus!
[02:00] <predaeus> redmonkey, no problem I hope they can help and somebody is around
[02:00] <predaeus> redmonkey, also try #ubuntu there is more people there and this is not limited to xubuntu
[02:01] <MaxFrames> the 7.04 upgrade went all bad... the system logs me in, shows me the desktop for a couple of seconds, then the display becomes garbaged and after a few seconds i'm presented with the logon screen again, and i'm stuck in this loop :(
[02:01] <MaxFrames> i can't use the system no more :(
[02:03] <MaxFrames> pls help
[02:04] <MaxFrames> .....
[02:05] <MaxFrames> please tell me how can i fix this with emergency xterm mode
[02:06] <predaeus> MaxFrames, look through dmesg, /var/log/syslog  /var/log/xorglog (?) and so on for hints on what is going wrong
[02:07] <MaxFrames> how do i set the desktop resolution and refresh rate via command line?
[02:07] <Catoptromancy_> How would I be able to print with an WindowXP computer on the printer
[02:07] <Catoptromancy_> I can already print XP to XP from my dual boot
[02:08] <predaeus> !cups | Catoptromancy_
[02:08] <ubotu> Catoptromancy_: Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[02:09] <predaeus> MaxFrames, you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf (make a backup first) to chagne resolutions etc.
[03:09] <assasukasse> hi everyone,
[03:09] <assasukasse> i have a small problem
[03:09] <assasukasse> i am going to install xubuntu at a friend pc
[03:09] <assasukasse> he uses a netgear ethernet modem
[03:09] <assasukasse> how can i configure it?
[03:10] <assasukasse> is there anything for DSL ethernet modem?
[03:25] <tuxcrafter> hello gys
[03:25] <tuxcrafter> guys
[03:25] <tuxcrafter> does any of you use oowriter
[03:25] <tuxcrafter> does copy paste of a image in a odt document works
[03:26] <tuxcrafter> you can try it in the odt document itself
[03:26] <tuxcrafter> just cut it
[03:26] <tuxcrafter> and try to past it back
[03:26] <tuxcrafter> because here it does not work
[03:26] <tuxcrafter> and on fedora it does
[03:32] <alnokta> i installed sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-perl2 ..but perl files aren't working when i try them... (in /var/www/) .. any idea if there is another thing i need to do?
[03:32] <predaeus> tuxcrafter, works fine here
[03:32] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: ok than its again some strange local bug
[03:33] <predaeus> tuxcrafter, just created new document (never saved it) inserted image from file and copy pasted it with ctrl-c/v
[03:34] <predaeus> tuxcrafter, you will have to hit enter a few times or place the cursor somewhere else, or the pasted image will exactly overlap with the source image of course :-)
[03:35] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: cut paste
[03:35] <tuxcrafter> i tried exactly what you dit
[03:35] <tuxcrafter> did
[03:35] <tuxcrafter> and it did not work
[03:35] <tuxcrafter> so local bug
[03:36] <tuxcrafter> i can try remvoe the .openoffice.org files
[03:36] <tuxcrafter> and try with fresh settings
[03:36] <tuxcrafter> /remove/rename
[03:36] <predaeus> if it is a huge document it might mess/fight with the image layouts, maybe its on next page or something
[03:36] <predaeus> hm, nevermind
[03:37] <tuxcrafter> now it works
[03:37] <tuxcrafter> sucks
[03:37] <predaeus> weird
[03:37] <tuxcrafter> what setting could it be
[03:37] <tuxcrafter> i hate this
[03:37] <tuxcrafter> got the same problem with firefox
[03:38] <tuxcrafter> after few moths it just start falling apart
[03:38] <tuxcrafter> standby it does still not work
[03:41] <predaeus> tuxcrafter, if it is not limited to ooffice it might be a problem with xfwm or xfce in general, maybe ask in #xfce too.
[03:42] <tuxcrafter> yea but if you cant reproduce it i don't have a change
[03:45] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: i found the problem!!
[03:46] <tuxcrafter> try adding the xfce panel clipboard manager please
[03:46] <tuxcrafter> and then cut past
[03:47] <tuxcrafter> stange
[03:47] <Ohzie> Oh man I love xfce. :D
[03:47] <Ohzie> gnome left me wanting something
[03:47] <Ohzie> KDE left me wanting pain in my face
[03:48] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: sometimes it works and somethime it doesn't
[03:50] <Pinkle_Rose> hello
[03:56] <Pinkle_Rose> i try to set shortcut to exaile with command: http_proxy="http://proxy.telsten.com:3128" exaile
[03:57] <Pinkle_Rose> i try to set shortcut to exaile with command:
[03:57] <Pinkle_Rose> http_proxy="http://proxy.telsten.com:3128" exaile
[03:57] <Pinkle_Rose> when i run it i get error
[03:57] <Pinkle_Rose> but when i type it in console program starts
[03:58] <Pinkle_Rose> how to use it in shortcut?
[04:12] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: thanks for testing, it is a clipman problem
[04:12] <tuxcrafter> i killed the clipman and now everyting is working
[04:12] <predaeus> g
[04:12] <tuxcrafter> i put the clipman back with with normal managing enabled
[04:13] <predaeus> probably file a bug to help them out, if it is not filed yet
[04:13] <tuxcrafter> and it seems to work again
[04:13] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: clipman has more problems
[04:13] <tuxcrafter> if it cant handle the input data it can freeze
[04:14] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: but I cant reproduce it
[04:14] <tuxcrafter> but do now how to solve it (pkill *clipman*
[04:14] <tuxcrafter> :-P\
[04:15] <predaeus> you could file it anyway, so they know something is wrong. they can just close the report if they want anyway.
[04:16] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: when i got some more concreet info about the problem i will make a report
[04:24] <tuxcrafter> other guestion: how do i mount a movie.iso without having to use sudo rights?
[04:35] <predaeus> tuxcrafter, I think you can't. But you can unpack the .iso and probably run the contained movie file.
[04:36] <predaeus> tuxcrafter, unpacking works with double click with file-roller
[04:36] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: thats no good news, totem-xine under ubuntu can just play iso movies
[04:37] <tuxcrafter> but under xubuntu i have to mount damm
[04:37] <predaeus> just install totem
[04:37] <predaeus> then
[04:37] <tuxcrafter> i do this with a automated script but its still need sudo right for the mount command
[04:37] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: i use totem-xine under xubuntu too
[04:38] <predaeus> ah
[04:38] <predaeus> hm no idea sorry
[04:41] <alnokta> any idea?
[04:47] <h377r1d3r> Hi
[04:48] <h377r1d3r> erm... why as a user i can't eject cd ?
[04:50] <Eagle_101> should be able to
[04:50] <h377r1d3r> i can sudo eject in xterm
[04:50] <Pumpernickel> alnokta: You would need to configure apache to load it and use it to parse perl files.
[04:50] <h377r1d3r> but that's not how it should work
[04:51] <h377r1d3r> A, btw Xubuntu RoCkS and KiCkS AsS; i have tried ubuntu and kubuntu, but xubuntu is just briliant :D
[04:52] <Pumpernickel> tuxcrafter: `pmount`
[04:52] <tuxcrafter> Pumpernickel: i am looking at that right know but it talks about devices a lot
[04:53] <Pumpernickel> Is that unexpected? o_O
[04:54] <tuxcrafter> Pumpernickel: pmount -o loop ubuntu-7.04-server-i386.iso iso/
[04:54] <tuxcrafter> pmount: invalid option -- o
[04:56] <tuxcrafter> i think i make a topic on the forum for this one
[05:03] <Pumpernickel> hm, bug 18078
[05:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18078 in pmount "Allow user mount of ISO on loop device?" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/18078
[05:13] <tuxcrafter> Pumpernickel: yes i read it before :-P
[05:21] <alnokta> Pumpernickel, all right, any webpage on that? thanks
[05:22] <tuxcrafter> i give up i will just add mount to the sudoers file
[05:24] <tuxcrafter> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2829478#post2829478
[05:27] <tuxcrafter> how do i solve this :-D
[05:27] <tuxcrafter> E: The package virtualbox needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[05:30] <tuxcrafter> how do i clear the state information of apt-get
[05:31] <tuxcrafter> sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq virtualbox
[05:31] <tuxcrafter> got it
[05:31] <tuxcrafter> :-D
[05:32] <tuxcrafter> i have to leave the channel now, thanks for the help guys
[05:33] <Ohzie> How do I tell what version of xfce I have?
[05:34] <Ohzie> Oh nevermind I found it
[05:34] <Ohzie> =)
[06:13] <assasukasse> hi everyone, why i can't install xubuntu with 192mb RAM?
[06:31] <assasukasse> with 230Mb can i run Xubuntu? i tried to install on a 192machine and it hangs at installation..
[06:35] <TheSheep> assasukasse: use the alternate cd, the live cd needs more ram
[06:35] <assasukasse> TheSheep: im downloading it now..230 is enough for livecd?
[06:35] <TheSheep> assasukasse: ram, yes, disk space -- you'll need some 2-3GB at the minimum
[06:37] <assasukasse> i've 40Gb disk space
[06:37] <assasukasse> i partitioned like this: /boot 240mb / 10gb /home rest
[06:42] <woot> I have this modem "nVidia Corporation nForce3 Audio (rev a2)" its a winmodem I'm told and someone said back in 2004 there was a patched smartlink modem driver that worked for it
[06:43] <woot> that is only info I have, don't know if its working, never used dial up, and scan modem on dialup howto isn't working
[06:43] <woot> site is down
[06:50] <woot> I'm just going to try peng
[07:01] <BFTD> I need a completely Linux compatible wireless adapter
[07:28] <BFTD> is there a better front end to desktop-effects?
[07:38] <alnokta> you want better desktop-effects? i wanna disable them
[08:02] <feliciano> Hi.. I'm using only xubuntu... finally I delete windows of my PC.. But I have a 20Gb partition with files, mp3, vides and docs.. its  fat32 and I want to know if are there another best file system to format it... I only use ext3 by default when install xubuntu...
[08:07] <hyper__ch> hiho
[08:15] <technel> Is it just me or is the Xubuntu download mirror down? http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/xubuntu/7.04/release/
[08:15] <hyper_ch> technel: use another one
[08:15] <technel> Also, just to confirm: If I have an ATI card, it is basically impossible to have transparent panels? (Seriously, GNOME does it no problem...even fluxbox can do it)
[08:16] <technel> hyper_ch, non-US?
[08:16] <hyper_ch> technel: if they are working they are faster than non-working-US ones ;)
[08:16] <technel> heh
[08:16] <hyper_ch> and ify ou use d4x
[08:16] <hyper_ch> you can change the download url anytime
[08:16] <hyper_ch> if the file is the same
[08:18] <technel> hyper_ch, Cool, thanks
[08:19] <hyper_ch> technel: or you could try bittorrent
[08:19] <technel> hyper_ch, Yeah, tried that. I have a lot of problems with Azureus
[08:20] <hyper_ch> I use ktorrent :)
[08:20] <technel> Seriously, I have been using it >1 year and it will work for ~2 hours, then it goes to 0kb download, then I change port, it works, it's nasty
[08:20] <technel> and don't even point me to that monster of a NAT Problem article
[08:20] <technel> I have read it at least 10 times
[08:20] <technel> ugh
[08:20] <technel> anyway
[08:22] <hyper_ch> technel: have you tried ktorrent?
[08:22] <technel> hyper_ch, Nope
[08:23] <feliciano> and transmission??
[08:23] <hyper_ch> works fine for me but uses quite cpu and ram....
[08:24] <technel> I will check out those two
[08:25] <Pumpernickel> Take a look at Deluge, while you're at it.
[08:25] <feliciano> Pumpernickel.. I try deluge.. but always it crush down
[08:26] <technel> meanwhile d4x isn't downloading from a european mirror either :(
[08:26] <feliciano> Pumpernickel.. and then never run again
[08:26] <Jester45> azureus? i use that
[08:26] <technel> deluge has a nice logo :P
[08:26] <technel> Jester45, Does it work?
[08:26] <hyper_ch> well, for ktorrent to be really fast you will need to allow UPnP
[08:26] <Jester45> yea it works
[08:27] <hyper_ch> or someone said he likes utorrent best through wine
[08:27] <feliciano> but ktorrent install libraries from kde... yep?
[08:27] <Jester45> i love utorrent but not in wine... it looks out of place
[08:27] <technel> hyper_ch, I read on Azureus's wiki that if you have a hardware router like mine you should disable UPnP
[08:27] <Pumpernickel> feliciano: It does have a few bugs.  I had a few crashes like that; it's very sensitive about locale settings and won't work if there's any inconsistency.
[08:27] <Jester45> technel, i have it enabled but it doesnt matter becuase im in the DMZ
[08:28] <feliciano> Pumpernickel.. saddly
[08:31] <hyper_ch> technel: ok... then follow that...
[08:31] <technel> I also read that my router (BEFSR41) inherently has problems with torrents or something
[08:31] <technel> then I did a firmware upgrade and it didn't work at all
[08:31] <technel> and Linksys basically gave me the finger when I asked for support
[08:31] <technel> ah d4x does work niecly
[08:32] <hyper_ch> technel: what linksys router?
[08:32] <technel> hyper_ch, BEFSR41
[08:33] <hyper_ch> technel: is it support by openwrt?
[08:33] <technel> hyper_ch, Never used that?
[08:34] <hyper_ch> technel: it's an opensource router software... much more configurable than the default one... I have it on my linksys
[08:36] <technel> hyper_ch, According to their wiki they only support WRT* routers (not BF*)
[08:36] <hyper_ch> technel: well, a great many routers are supported... there were chances that yours was supported also
[08:37] <technel> hyper_ch, I seriously have no idea why Azureus doesn't work though. I have read through the wiki pages and followed the steps so many times, it's insane
[08:37] <technel> drove me to the point of insanity, heh
[08:38] <TheSheep> gui torrent clients are an abomination anyways :)
[08:39] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: why?
[08:39] <hyper_ch> well, I had azureus on windoze and that worked...
[08:39] <alnokta> Deluge is very nice for linux
[08:39] <alnokta> utorrent for windows
[08:39] <technel> yeah, utorrent is great
[08:39] <hyper_ch> or utorrent for wine :)
[08:40] <technel> wine is a mess to get working
[08:40] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: because you cannot leave it on a detached screen on a server and just switch off your home box
[08:40] <alnokta> though deluge would need speed limits per torrent
[08:40] <alnokta> TheSheep, can i actually switch my home box?
[08:41] <alnokta> if i run a script through ssh?
[08:41] <TheSheep> alnokta: switch off
[08:41] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: ah I see :)
[08:41] <TheSheep> alnokta: man screen
[08:41] <alnokta> yes, cut power :)
[08:41] <alnokta> thanks .. that would be nice
[08:42] <TheSheep> alnokta: http://jmcpherson.org/screen.html
[08:52] <technel> Curious: What IRC chat programs do you guys use?
[08:53] <feliciano> where can I change the size of the border of clearlooks theme?? the border where apear the title of the windows
[08:53] <feliciano> technel... xchat here
[08:53] <godless> Hi, can I burn a bin/cue with xfburn
[08:53] <godless> ?
[08:54] <godless> technel:  irssi
[08:57] <hyper_ch> stupid me, I just erased the wrong partition
[09:12] <TheSheep> godless: .bin are usually just direct images of the whole cd or single cd tracks. the information on how they are structured is in the .cue file. if it's a whole disk, you can just burn the .bin file directly as if it was an iso
[09:12] <godless> TheSheep:  Yeah, I binchunked it into an iso
[09:12] <godless> but xfburn is not burning :/
[09:15] <godless> it just pops up 'operation finished' right away
[09:15] <Catoptromancy> yup
[09:15] <Catoptromancy> my xfburn does that
[09:15] <godless> I haven't booted windows in months, don't fail me now xfburn :(
[09:15] <godless> Catoptromancy:  can you suggest an alternative?
[09:15] <aanderse> has anyone here used epdfview program?
[09:15] <Catoptromancy> K3b works great , but you need alot of KDE libs
[09:15] <Catoptromancy> K3b is the best I think
[09:15] <godless> I guess I can take the hit while I'm burning and just close it afterwards...
[09:15] <Catoptromancy> I think I may have to reinstall all that KDE stuff
[09:17] <godless> hm
[09:17] <godless> http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Burn_Iso_with_Right-click_in_Thunar
[09:21] <octoberdan> I've customized my desktop pannels completely and some where along the line got rid of the "Applications" menu
[09:21] <octoberdan> How do I get that back?
[09:22] <octoberdan> I'm actually just using XFCE and never formally installed xubuntu, but rather install bit by bit as I need the stuff
[09:22] <octoberdan> Right now I'm following a tutorial on using thunar/fuse to browse a network
[09:23] <octoberdan> The tutorial says "click XFCE's Application menu" which I do not have
[09:24] <octoberdan> So I guess the question is, how do I get that menu
[09:26] <octoberdan> Ah, I think the problem is that I have it, and know how to access it, it just has different items since I didn't install xubuntu
[09:26] <octoberdan> How do I get the xubuntu items?
[09:26] <octoberdan> but I don't want to install extra bloat or overwrite my precious xfce configurations?
[09:27] <godless> octoberdan:  what are you looking for within the menu?
[09:28] <godless> if you right click on the panel and add new item the last option should be xfce menu
[09:28] <godless> I believe that's the menu you want
[09:28] <octoberdan> "In XFCE Applications -> System -> Users and Groups"
[09:29] <alnokta> (i.e. without sending nasty signals to processes that don't deserve it) hehe
[09:29] <octoberdan> godless: That doesn't seem to have what is described in it
[09:29] <octoberdan> also need "In XFCE's Applications -> System -> Shared Folders. "
[09:30] <octoberdan> If I install xubuntu, willl it erase my configuration?
[09:30] <octoberdan> For pannel layout?
[09:30] <godless> might do
[09:30] <octoberdan> and launchers
[09:30] <octoberdan> It took me forever to get it the way I like it
[09:30] <alnokta> TheSheep, how to close a window?
[09:30] <godless> there should be a command you can enter to launch those apps, googling
[09:33] <godless> octoberdan:  try xfce-setting-show
[09:33] <alnokta> TheSheep, nevermind .. 'exit' closes it ;)
[09:33] <godless> from a terminal
[09:34] <octoberdan> godless: It doesn't have in it what I need
[09:34] <godless> nope, sorry
[09:34] <godless> er...
[09:34] <octoberdan> I'm taking the plunge and install xubuntu
[09:35] <godless> backup your ~/.config
[09:35] <octoberdan> Right
[09:36] <octoberdan> Oh god, that's tons of stuff!
[09:36] <octoberdan> hmmm xubuntu-system-tools
[09:37] <octoberdan> I think that's what I want
[09:37] <octoberdan> aha! xubuntu-desktop once again evaded
[09:38] <octoberdan> Added exactly what I nee
[09:38] <octoberdan> d
[09:41] <Jester45> how can i look at windows shares
[09:42] <godless> sweet.
[09:42] <godless> Jester45:  fuse or PyNetworkNeighborhood
[09:56] <octoberdan> Jester45: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131&highlight=xubuntu
[10:56] <blizz> hello hello
[10:57] <blizz> is there a non-ugly looking qt3 theme package?
[10:58] <ablomen> blizz, clearlooks ;)
[11:01] <blizz> i can only find two gtk themes containing the name clearlooks, am i missing it? :)
[11:01] <blizz> maybeee, kde-style-klearlook?
[11:04] <ablomen> thats it :)
[11:05] <blizz> arr, kdelibs dependency.. evil...
[11:06] <ablomen> well that's what you get with kde/qt stuff ;)
[11:06] <ablomen> just use only apps! ;)
[11:06] <ablomen> *gtk apps
[11:07] <blizz> there is that jabber client.. psi.. i like it! :)
[11:07] <blizz> gaim's jabber support sucks + i know no good gtk jabber client
[11:08] <crimsun> huh?
[11:08] <crimsun> gajim?
[11:08] <blizz> hell
[11:08] <blizz> im such a noob sometimes
[11:16] <blizz> crimsun: thank you so much, you may have changed my life by telling me about that wonderful client *lol*
[11:16] <crimsun> np
[11:16] <crimsun> I used to use that client consistently
[11:26] <blizz> hmm, it's an almost perfect piece of software
[11:31] <alnokta> TheSheep, screen is awesome, thanks
[11:39] <emdash> if I compile and install custom gtk2 theme engines into /usr/local, how do I get gtk+ to load them?