[12:17] <ryanakca> sending...
[12:17] <ryanakca> mhb: sent
[12:19] <mhb> ryanakca: it's no spam, it's just a jerk
[12:19] <mhb> ryanakca: emailing to LP
[12:20] <Riddell> mhb: if it's from the Recommends bug then hobbsee already contacted them
[12:20] <mhb> Riddell: it has been removed from LP
[12:32] <ryanakca> mhb: ah
[12:34] <Riddell> manchicken: dood, tell me system settings in kde 4 isn't a work of perfection now!
[12:43] <manchicken> Ooh, now I'm all excited.
[12:47] <manchicken> Yeah, other than the ugly icons (which I suspect are more problems with the .desktop files than anything else) and the weird page setups, that looks beautiful.
[12:52] <Riddell> manchicken: the lack of icons is entirely down to oxygen not being complete
[12:52] <Riddell> manchicken: the only question now is how we slip it into kdebase without anyone noticing
[12:57] <manchicken> Riddell: We need to make it a little less ugly...
[01:02] <Riddell> manchicken: it's beautiful!
[01:03] <manchicken> Riddell: A face only a mother could love that proggy.
[01:03] <Riddell> what's wrong with it, besides the incomplete icons?
[01:03] <ajmitch> manchicken: screenshot or I don't believe you
[01:04] <manchicken> I don't like the weird way the panes are set up.
[01:04] <manchicken> I think it would be better if each group of icons was not in its own little page widget.
[01:07] <Riddell> manchicken: it wants ported to klistview http://www.ereslibre.es/?p=49
[01:07] <Riddell> http://media.ereslibre.es/2007/06/klistviewselections.mpeg
[01:07] <Riddell> which means re-writing all the search code etc
[01:09] <manchicken> Why is that an mpeg?  Weird....
[01:09] <manchicken> Screenshots normally get the job done here...
[01:10] <manchicken> Hmm...
[01:10] <manchicken> That's a list view?
[01:10] <manchicken> Not bad.
[01:12] <Riddell> told you before, list view in icon mode replaces KIconView
[01:14] <manchicken> That's interesting.
[01:49] <nixternal> how come I can't view that mpeg file?
[01:50] <crimsun> does Konqueror crash, or does the part simply appear to not play?
[01:51] <nixternal> the part simply doesn't play
[01:51] <nixternal> tried kaffeine, vlc, mplayer...
[01:52] <nixternal> none of them play it
[01:53] <crimsun> VIDEO:  [FMP4]   974x716  24bpp  25.200 fps  814.6 kbps (99.4 kbyte/s) Selected video codec: [ffodivx]  vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4)
[01:53] <crimsun> mplayer (current gutsy) plays it
[01:54] <nixternal> hrmm
[01:57] <nixternal> I just get a lovely blue window
[01:58] <xerosis> plays in konqueror here
[01:59] <nixternal> hrmm, do I need some proprietary junk?
[02:00] <crimsun> you may.  I do have w32codecs installed.
[02:00] <nixternal> it crashes vlc, shows a blue screen in kaffeine, and mplayer says something out output and -vo
[02:01] <nixternal> I do now..and it is still a no go
[02:01] <crimsun> feisty or gutsy?
[02:01] <nixternal> feisty
[02:02] <nixternal> got it
[02:39] <nixternal> c# is horrible..it is vb for the internet
[02:39] <nixternal> then again, vb isn't all that bad, except it is only good for one platform
[02:40] <nixternal> s/vb isn't all that bad/vb isn't all that bad especially with beginner programmers/
[03:08] <jjesse> nixternal: tell me how you really feel?
[03:11] <nixternal> jjesse: that would be very unethical for me to tell you how I really feel ;)
[03:13] <jjesse> i think my hotel bandwidth has been throttled down :(
[03:13] <nixternal> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/06/12/lolcat-alignright/
[03:13] <nixternal> that is good stuff right there
[03:13] <jjesse> i've been trying to download an 8 gig file since monday night
[03:13] <jjesse> almost done with it :(
[03:13] <nixternal> I have downloaded 4 DVDs in the last 2 hours here
[03:13] <jjesse> dang
[03:14] <nixternal> then again I am using the uni ethernet
[03:14] <jjesse> i'm only get 8.2 kb/sec
[03:14] <jjesse> currently at 295.9 MB of 851.3 MB for this file :(
[03:14] <nixternal> I now have Kubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE, and PC-BSD
[03:14] <jjesse> nice
[03:15] <nixternal> I bought a DVD burner a month back, and haven't burned a single disk with the darn thing
[03:15] <jjesse> making up for that now?
[03:15] <nixternal> just bought 2 19" widescreen monitors on Sunday, so I need to start using that box as a dev box
[03:15] <nixternal> hehe ya
[03:16] <nixternal> I went to buy 1 20.1" or whatever widescreen and the guy is like why? I have 19" widescreen for $129...he had 2 left so I bought them
[03:16] <jjesse> but she keeps on wanting to use the money to pay off the windows, and bathroom remodel
[03:16] <nixternal> 20.1" == $300, 2 x 19" == $260
[03:16] <nixternal> hrmm, I wonder ;)
[03:16] <jjesse> nice
[03:16] <nixternal> ahh, I did windows 2 years ago
[03:16] <nixternal> I borrowed from my CD account
[03:16] <jjesse> we did both this year
[03:17] <jjesse> we are borrowing from our money market account
[03:17] <nixternal> are they charging tax on that?
[03:18] <jjesse> from our money market?  we are just withdrawing the money
[03:18] <nixternal> ahh, OK
[03:18] <jjesse> so not really "borrowing" but it is our fun fund
[03:18] <nixternal> you know your windows and bathroom possibly, can be claimed on the taxes
[03:18] <jjesse> yup
[03:18] <nixternal> I know I did it
[03:18] <jjesse> tax credit
[03:18] <nixternal> was an extra $1k I think
[03:19] <jjesse> wow i'm down to 8 kb/sec on my transfer :(
[03:19] <nixternal> hehe
[03:19] <nixternal> I haven't been that slow since 1994
[03:19] <nixternal> err, 1995
[03:19] <jjesse> i think i can count the bits as they come across the line
[03:19] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[03:24] <jjesse> awesome justin verlander 6-th no hit game
[03:25] <jjesse> oh first no hitter for him, 6th for the tiggers
[03:31] <nixternal> I was gonna say, 6 no-hitters for one pitcher is like a record or something
[03:31] <jjesse> yeah
[03:31] <jjesse> what is the address for ebn?  don't have it bookmarked on vm
[03:32] <jjesse> never mind
[03:33] <nixternal> englishbreakfastnetwork
[03:33] <nixternal> ;p
[09:45] <_marseillais> does someone has time for a revu ?
[10:07] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[10:18] <Tonio_> fdoving: done :) will upload the ark fix today
[10:19] <giangy> hey Tonio_ :)
[10:32] <Tonio_> yop giangy ;)
[12:19] <_StefanS_> gday
[12:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey
[12:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Helmut just applied my patch to the knetworkmanager extragear branch
[12:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: branches/extragear/kde3/network/knetworkmanager
[12:19] <Jucato> good day to all. and to all a good night :)
[12:19] <_StefanS_> good night Jucato
[12:20] <Jucato> hehehe
[12:20] <Jucato> er... s/night/evening/
[12:20] <Jucato> sheesh :(
[01:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: superb !
[01:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep, he asked me if we should release 0.2 now as it is, or wait until the gui was redesigned. I told him to release now, and redesign gui later. Then we can hopefully have it in gutsy if nm0.6.5 makes it
[01:56] <_StefanS_> ah what is that terminal program called for rs232 connections..
[01:58] <_StefanS_> ah minicom :D
[03:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: great ;)
[03:08] <Hobbsee> hiya Tonio_
[03:08] <Tonio_> yop Hobbsee
[03:08] <_StefanS_> hop jobsee
[03:18] <manchicken> I have baby pictures!!!
[03:18] <Jucato> congratulations!!!
[03:19] <Hobbsee> yay, manchicken!
[03:19] <manchicken> I'm gonna put one up.
[03:20] <Riddell> manchicken: isn't it a bit soon for that?
[03:20] <manchicken> Riddell: Dacia had an ultrasound yesterday.
[03:20] <manchicken> http://imagepaste.nulldigital.net/viewimage.php?id=244
[03:21] <Hobbsee> manchicken: woo :)
[03:21] <Riddell> aww, an ickle manchicken
[03:21] <manchicken> It was moving around and everything.
[03:21] <Jucato> hehe
[03:22] <Riddell> it's saying "where's my internet connection"
[03:22] <manchicken> Totally.
[03:22] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:22] <manchicken> "Plug in mommy!  It's time to hack!"
[03:29] <manchicken> I wish Firefox would use the KDE file dialogs.
[03:30] <Jucato> hm.. wasn't there a sort of "hack" to do that?
[03:31] <mhb> Jucato: there were hacks to do that for GTK file dialogs, kde-apps likely
[03:32] <Jucato> yeah. I forgot the name... researching for manchicken
[03:32] <mhb> but I wish Firefox could also opened files with appropriate KDE apps
[03:32] <manchicken> I found a hack to get it to use kmail instead of evolution, which is nice.
[03:33] <manchicken> mhb: It can if you do much tinkering.
[03:33] <manchicken> Because there are just some web programs that don't work in konq.
[03:33] <manchicken> TinyMCE doesn't work very well in konq, so I use firefox with wordpress.
[03:37] <mhb> manchicken: yeah, I'd expect the distro to do the tinkering for me, especially a distro that "just works" .o)
[03:37] <manchicken> Yup :)
[03:37] <Jucato> http://gentoo-wiki.com/index.php?title=HOWTO_Integrate_Firefox_with_KDE or http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=36077
[03:37] <manchicken> It would seem that despite our vastly superior desktop environment, they still abuse and neglect us.
[03:37] <Riddell> manchicken: tell is to gnomefreak, he was thinking about a kde-firefox package
[03:37] <manchicken> Riddell: That's a splendid idea.
[03:37] <Jucato> mhb: I think there's something in about:config for that?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you hear we have a proper kubuntu-restricted-extras now inside ubuntu-restricted-extras, and i fixed lots of the bugs in it?  :)
[03:37] <Jucato> woot Hobbsee!! :)
[03:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:37] <Jucato> you deserve another stick :)
[03:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:39] <manchicken> http://blog.notsosoft.net/2007/baby/baby-pictures.html
[03:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I did indeed, thanks for that
[03:50] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:16] <Riddell> new kmobiletools beta out if anyone wants to package it
[04:27] <_marseillais> hi Hobbsee
[04:27] <Hobbsee> heya _marseillais
[04:27] <_marseillais> Hobbsee, do you have time for revu ?
[04:27] <manchicken> What is kmobiletools?
[04:28] <_marseillais> manchicken, a phone communication apps
[04:28] <_marseillais> but it doesn't work with mine! :(
[04:34] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: no, sorry.  i'm blasting someone into my way of thinking, and have been successful, and after that, i really need to study for this impending exam of doom.
[04:35] <_marseillais> oki Hobbsee no problem
[05:01] <fdoving> Tonio_: nice, what did you end up using to convert?
[05:02] <Tonio_> fdoving: will show you the patch ;)
[05:04] <fdoving> cool :)
[05:21] <xerosis> mhb: ping?
[05:21] <Hobbsee> heya xerosis
[05:22] <xerosis> hi Hobbsee
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: grats on Core
[05:23] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: thankyou :)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: :S
[06:01] <xerosis> Hobbsee: have you asked amarok about the installation bug?
[06:01] <xerosis> *mp3 installation
[06:02] <Hobbsee> xerosis: sorry?  what about it?
[06:02] <xerosis> Hobbsee: just wondered if they were aware of it is all
[06:02] <xerosis> Hobbsee: seems a pretty obvious bug that's not getting much attention
[06:04] <Hobbsee> xerosis: ahh, i keep not associating your nick with your LP name
[06:04] <Hobbsee> true that.  i stopped looking at amarok
[06:05] <Hobbsee> feel free to, if you wish
[06:05] <xerosis> s/poke/threaten
[06:05] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Riddell: look who turned up :)
[06:14] <Riddell> hmm?
[06:19] <Hobbsee> Mez!!!
[06:19] <Hobbsee> xerosis: poking is first.  threatening later.
[06:21] <Mez> yes Hobbsee ?
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Mez is alive. And net enabled :)
[06:21] <Hobbsee> Mez: hello
[06:21] <Mez> DaSkreech,  ?? he spoke to me yesterday
[06:21] <Mez> and hello Hobbsee
[06:21] <Mez> have poeople really missed me that much
[06:21] <DaSkreech> :-P
[06:22] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:22] <Mez> aw :(
[06:22] <Mez> missed abusing me I guess
[06:22] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: what's your opinino on writing a main inclusion report?
[06:23] <DaSkreech> If I knew what that meant I would be more eloquent ;)
[06:24] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportTemplate
[06:24] <Mez> Hobbsee, MIC for whaT?
[06:24] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: need one for libkarma
[06:25] <fdoving> Tonio_: still around?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: * libkarma (amarok. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/89591)
[06:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 89591 in amarok "Please package Amarok Rio Karma support (--with-libkarma)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 
[06:25] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: thanks in advance :)
[06:26] <Tonio_> fdoving: yep
[06:26] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'm arround tommorow in my contrib days sponsored, will upload the patches then
[06:26] <fdoving> Tonio_: can you check the state of kio-umountwrapper? is it stuck somewhere? lure uploaded it the 8th iirc.
[06:27] <xerosis> what's happening to kalarm in kde4?
[06:27] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'll ping tommorow on that point
[06:27] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'm late at work now...
[06:27] <Hobbsee> xerosis: ask in #kde4-devel or do applicable searches.
[06:27] <fdoving> Tonio_: ok.
[06:27] <Hobbsee> preferably in the other order
[06:27] <Tonio_> fdoving: ping me tomorrow :)
[06:27] <xerosis> Hobbsee: thanks
[06:27] <fdoving> Tonio_: i won't be around untill you finish work, i guess :)
[06:28] <Tonio_> fdoving: that's in my head for tomorrow
[06:28] <fdoving> Tonio_: thanks.
[07:01] <nixternal> crimsun: I need to file a bug report concerning sound. Sometimes when I play videos, when the video starts it drops the PCM level in KMixer to where you can't hear any sound
[07:01] <nixternal> is this a KMixer problem or something else?
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Oh you too?
[07:05] <nixternal> yup
[07:05] <nixternal> it is annoying
[07:12] <nixternal> DaSkreech: bug 119803 has already been reported by someone
[07:12] <Riddell> nixternal: kmplayer does that
[07:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119803 in kdemultimedia "kmix doesn't respect volume levels" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119803
[07:12] <Riddell> other players shouldn't
[07:12] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:12] <nixternal> it is when I am using Konqui
[07:13] <Riddell> in gutsy or feisty?
[07:13] <nixternal> Feisty
[07:13] <Riddell> that'll be kmplayer then
[07:13] <Hobbsee> nixternal: oh bug killer...
[07:13] <DaSkreech> that has a high likely hood to use the kmplayer kpart i think
[07:13] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: did you agree to do that MIR, btw?
[07:14] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: I haven't quite looked at it yet
[07:14] <DaSkreech> is there a hard deadline/
[07:14] <Hobbsee> not really.
[07:15] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: gutsy release, obviously
[07:15] <nixternal> Riddell: in that report, the reporter also states that kxineplayer does it as well
[07:15] <DaSkreech> OK yeah I can do that then
[07:15] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[07:18] <nixternal> you are just now starting? Hell I have been phearing it for over a year now ;p
[07:18] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:18] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i have more MIR's, if you want to write htem
[07:19] <nixternal> Hobbsee: sling em my way if you need me to do so...I have a little time before my hectic schedule starts today
[07:19] <nixternal> brb
[07:20] <Hobbsee> Main Inclusion Reports:
[07:20] <Hobbsee> * Dolphin
[07:20] <Hobbsee> * libkarma (amarok. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/89591)
[07:20] <Hobbsee> * ksynaptics
[07:20] <Hobbsee> * KDE4 (eventually)
[07:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 89591 in amarok "Please package Amarok Rio Karma support (--with-libkarma)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 
[07:23] <Riddell> nixternal: kxineplayer is part of kmplayer
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Eventually ;-)
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Well adept_updater just crashed after updating adept_updater
[07:23] <DaSkreech>  good thign I updated it huh?
[07:28] <nixternal> haha
[07:40] <mhb> Hobbsee: ksynaptics?
[07:40] <mhb> Hobbsee: oh, sorry, that's the mouse management tool
[07:40] <Hobbsee> mhb: someone was talking about it - there's a wishlist bug filed in kubuntu-meta
[07:41] <mhb> Hobbsee: I always mistake "Ksynaptics" for some apt package management tool
[07:43] <Hobbsee> mhb: ksynaptic was a package management tool.
[07:43] <fdoving> kynaptic
[07:43] <fdoving> wasn't it?
[07:44] <Hobbsee> oh yes.
[07:44] <mhb> right, kynaptic
[07:44] <mhb> no wonder I mix them up :o)
[07:46] <nixternal> Hobbsee: we need to take a good look at the ksynaptics bugs before we decide on doing the MIR
[07:46] <nixternal> it seems a lot of people have issues with it
[07:46] <Hobbsee> nixternal: true that.
[07:46] <nixternal> haha, true that...good one
[07:46] <Hobbsee> it requires xorg.conf changes, iirc.
[07:47] <nixternal> yup
[07:47] <Hobbsee> hrm?
[07:47] <nixternal> true that
[07:47] <nixternal> I haven't heard that in a long long time
[07:47] <nixternal> in Chicago that is pronounced 'true dat'
[07:47] <Hobbsee> i'm Australian.  We speak English here.
[07:48] <nixternal> hehe, chicago is a cest pool of languages
[07:48] <nixternal> Chicagi is a huge Italian, Polish, Latino, and African American city...so all of the accents tend to run together making for some interesting accents
[07:49] <nixternal> Chicago!
[07:49] <nixternal> can't even spell that correctly
[08:18] <steveire> Hey. http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Kubuntu <<< Following this it says it won't work after alpha1. Is it important?
[08:24] <meven> steveire it means that after alpha1 you have to compile cmake and qt4 instead of just having to install the packages
[08:24] <steveire> meven: Are there instructions for that?
[08:24] <meven> no absolutely not but this is what i understood
[08:25] <fdoving> there are instructions for compiling qt-copy and cmake.. i think.
[08:25] <meven> steveire no i am wrong
[08:26] <steveire> meven: about compiling or about instructions?
[08:26] <meven> steveire the instructions are just some lines later
[08:26] <fdoving> steveire: you can use cmake and dbus from kubuntu feisty, i do.
[08:26] <meven> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#CMake and http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Qt
[08:27] <fdoving> steveire: qt, strigi, and so on, needs to be compiled.
[08:27] <meven> i agree with fdoving
[08:27] <fdoving> meven: don't need the cmake one.
[08:27] <fdoving> the feisty one works well for me.
[08:27] <meven> good to know
[08:28] <meven> personnally i didnt succeed to compile KDE4
[08:28] <meven> i think i will give i another shot
[08:28] <meven>  i think i will give it another shot
[08:40] <DaSkreech> kynaptic is turrible :(
[08:40] <DaSkreech> adept is so much better
[08:41] <nosrednaekim> there's a kynaptic?
[08:41] <DaSkreech> Always ahs been
[08:41] <DaSkreech> Kubuntu 1 shipped with it
[08:41] <DaSkreech> I went back to Mandriva just because of it
[08:42] <nosrednaekim> really... so its synaptic in qt?
[08:43] <DaSkreech> No I think it just stole the name
[08:43] <steveire> I'm moving on on that getting started page. I've run make on dbus. Now I can't make install because I don't think my kde-devel user has sudo priveleges. Should I give them to that account?
[08:44] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech: ahh... too bad.
[08:44] <steveire> Or should I switch back to my regular account and run sudo make install there?
[08:45] <xerosis> nixternal: it was kxineplayer on mine
[08:45] <nosrednaekim> steveire: giving kde-devel sudo priveldges is fine as long as you set a good pasword
[08:46] <steveire> nosrednaekim: Will the alternative work?
[08:46] <fdoving> steveire: you don't need that dbus. use the kubuntu one.
[08:46] <fdoving> steveire: same goes for cmake, start from the Qt section.
[08:46] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: if you want synaptic on KDE then contribute o the project but I recall playing with it and thinking it would have been better to make people learn how to use the konsole than foist kynaptic on them
[08:46] <DaSkreech> OMO
[08:47] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech: lol. No actually I just want one thing in adept..
[08:47] <nosrednaekim> download scripts.
[08:47] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: I've heard of that and I saw the button in Synaptic.
[08:47] <fdoving> download-scripts?
[08:47] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: sell me on it
[08:48] <fdoving> what do they do?
[08:48] <nosrednaekim> You see, I'm on dial up, so I can't get all the updates and such very easily
[08:48] <nosrednaekim> (not to mention new packages)
[08:48] <DaSkreech> fdoving:  you go through the motions of what you want to download then click a button and it will build a script that you can export to do it for you
[08:48] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: is that correct?
[08:49] <DaSkreech> it gets the debs from packages.ubuntu.com I think
[08:49] <fdoving> DaSkreech: ah, smart.
[08:49] <nosrednaekim> yeah... it makes a wget script. Then  I send it my dad at work and he gets the stuff for me
[08:49] <fdoving> DaSkreech: similar to apt-zip then.
[08:49] <DaSkreech> very
[08:49] <steveire> fdoving: I think I was told I do need to install them from source?
[08:50] <nosrednaekim> fdoving: there's a command line utility for it? sweet.
[08:50] <xerosis> has anyone got a webpage to hand with an embedded video?
[08:50] <fdoving> steveire: that's wrong. i use cmake and dbus from feisty with kde4.
[08:50] <nosrednaekim> xerosis: youtube? ;)
[08:51] <xerosis> nosrednaekim: non-flash :p
[08:51] <steveire> fdoving: OK. Can't I use the qt4.3 from kubuntu too?
[08:51] <fdoving> steveire: no. you must compile that.
[08:51] <steveire> 'KDE is guaranteed to build against any Qt 4.3.'
[08:52] <steveire> fdoving: I don't see the difference between qt4.3 and qt4.3ubuntu
[08:53] <fdoving> steveire: the qt4 in kubuntu is a beta, it's not the final qt 4.3.0
[08:53] <steveire> fdoving: I see. Thanks.
[08:53] <nosrednaekim> fdoving: DaSkreech: so is there any chance we could get that functionality? I'd do it except I don't know C++
[08:53] <fdoving> nosrednaekim: make a wishlist bugreport on adept.
[08:53] <nosrednaekim> fdoving: ok..
[08:55] <nosrednaekim> Is Adept developed by kubuntu?
[08:55] <steveire> Could it be problematic mixing a lot of ubuntu debs and installed-from-source packages?
[08:55] <DaSkreech> it's contributed to
[08:55] <fdoving> nosrednaekim: manchicken does some adept hacking.
[08:55] <nosrednaekim> steveire: no. as long as you build them as debs first.
[08:55] <fdoving> steveire: not with the separate kde-devel user-setup explained in that tutorial.
[08:56] <steveire> fdoving: But make installing qt4 applies to everyone, not just kde-devel...
[08:57] <fdoving> steveire: not if you set QTDIR as explained.
[08:57] <fdoving> steveire: then it'll match the qt-copy svn checkout, and you don't even need to run make install.
[08:57] <fdoving> it'll be ready after 'make sub-src sub-tools'
[08:58] <fdoving> steveire: important part: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Setting_up_the_environment
[08:58] <rbrunhuber> If I choose a color depth on desktop installer, why is it ignored and 24 bits is used as default-depth anyways?
[09:00] <steveire> [19:57]  <fdoving> it'll be ready after 'make sub-src sub-tools' <<< That's not on the page.
[09:02] <fdoving> steveire: ok, 'make -j2' then. both works.
[09:02] <nosrednaekim> fdoving: should I file my wish bug on its launchpad entry?
[09:02] <steveire> fdoving: Cool. Thanks.
[09:02] <fdoving> nosrednaekim: yep, most likely to get fixed there, i guess, even if adept upstream is using kde-bts.
[09:03] <nosrednaekim> ok. cool.
[09:04] <manchicken> fdoving: What, you mean adept has an upstream? :P
[09:05] <fdoving> :)
[09:05] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: well well just the person I was looking for.
[09:05] <fdoving> imaginary upstream :)
[09:10] <DaSkreech> manchicken: feverish dream upstream :-)
[09:11] <steveire> no objdir found. Tried /home/kde-devel/qt-copy <<< I get this when I try make -j2
[09:14] <steveire> should I just mkdir?
[09:18] <manchicken> Something is very wrong here...
[09:18] <manchicken> Something keeps binding to my mouse, catching events before even xev sees them.
[09:18] <manchicken> So that leads me to believe it's at the server level.
[09:18] <fdoving> manchicken: is there a simple way to get the list of pacakges to be updated in adept?
[09:19] <manchicken> Manager?
[09:19] <fdoving> (looking for a shortcut, instead of reading libapt-front .h files)
[09:19] <fdoving> manchicken: i'm in updater now, but i can move my feature to manager if that is easier.
[09:19] <manchicken> Okay, well there's the changelogs...
[09:20] <manchicken> I usually use that.
[09:20] <fdoving> i would need the url
[09:20] <nosrednaekim> I think ti would be better in manager anyway (If you are working on what I was talking about)
[09:20] <fdoving> to the package.
[09:20] <manchicken> fdoving: No you don't.  Just click the details button and go to the developer changelog tab.
[09:20] <fdoving> manchicken: in code, i mean.
[09:20] <steveire> no objdir found. Tried /home/kde-devel/qt-copy <<< I get this when I try make -j2. What can I do?
[09:20] <manchicken> Oooooh.
[09:20] <manchicken> You're modifying adept.  Gotcha.
[09:21] <manchicken> If there was that'd be a apt-front thing I think...
[09:21] <manchicken> Not sure.
[09:23] <fdoving> ok, i just downloaded that.. so i'll dive into it.
[09:23] <steveire> Anyone?
[09:26] <steveire> http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdesdk/scripts/makeobj <<< This is the only relevent result from a google search. I don't know what to do. Can anyone point me right?
[09:26] <manchicken> Never seen that one.
[09:26] <manchicken> Sorry.
[09:28] <DaSkreech> anyone heard of kgrab?
[09:32] <nosrednaekim> how do I file a bug as a wishlist?
[09:32] <nosrednaekim> or does someone mod it so?
[09:33] <steveire> fdoving: Is make sub-src sub-tools a drop in replacement for make -j2?
[09:33] <manchicken> I don't know what the hell is going on, but this is really irritating.
[09:34] <manchicken> In the middle of an X/KDE session something will hijack my number pad to make it control the mouse.
[09:34] <manchicken> I don't even see xev events for the key presses....
[09:35] <DaSkreech> There is a button sequence to make the numberpad take over the mouse functions
[09:35] <DaSkreech> I did it once
[09:35] <manchicken> Oh?
[09:35] <fdoving> steveire: as http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Setting_up_the_environment says, "Be sure to comment out the line alias make=makeobj if you do not have the makeobj command available. "
[09:36] <steveire> fdoving: The makeobj command is available though.
[09:36] <fdoving> steveire: ok.
[09:36] <fdoving> steveire: as for make sub-src sub-tools, those two will only run make in the src/ and tools/ directories.
[09:36] <fdoving> make will do all
[09:37] <fdoving> or as specified in the makefile.
[09:37] <steveire> fdoving: Oh, wait: Or bash is completing makeobj from the alias.
[09:37] <fdoving> if anything, 'make' will only make more stuff than sub-src sub-tools.
[09:38] <manchicken> Crikey, I found it.
[09:38] <manchicken> It's alt+f12
[09:38] <manchicken> That's one of those things that'd be awful handy if you know how to turn it on and off, but when it mysteriously comes on you don't expect it and it looks like a real issue.
[09:39] <steveire> fdoving: make: *** No rule to make target `sub-src'.  Stop.
[09:40] <fdoving> steveire: is that qt?
[09:41] <steveire> fdoving: I'm still in the qt-copy directory.
[09:41] <fdoving> steveire: did you apply patches, and run configure as the page says?
[09:41] <steveire> fdoving: Yes.
[09:41] <steveire> I'd copied and pasted and it stopped at make -j2
[09:41] <fdoving> why don't you use 'make -j2' as it says?
[09:41] <fdoving> how stopped?
[09:42] <steveire> no objdir found. Tried /home/kde-devel/qt-copy <<< I get this when I try make -j2. What can I do?
[09:42] <fdoving> where is your qt-copy checkout?
[09:42] <steveire> makeobj is available as well, because I installed the kdesdk-scripts package.
[09:42] <fdoving> what does 'pwd' output?
[09:42] <steveire>  /home/kde-devel/qt-cop
[09:42] <fdoving> y
[09:42] <steveire> with a y
[09:43] <fdoving> ok.
[09:43] <nosrednaekim> fdoving: filed a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/120250 thanks alot!
[09:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120250 in adept "Make dowload list available in Adept" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[09:44] <nosrednaekim> crap I spelled it wrong..
[09:44] <nosrednaekim> :-P
[09:45] <fdoving> steveire: try '/usr/bin/make -j2'
[09:45] <steveire> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[09:45] <fdoving> then you need to run the ./apply_patches and ./configure step again.
[09:46] <steveire> fdoving: OK.
[09:46] <steveire> Ah, should have looked at the configure output. The QtDBus module cannot be enabled because libdbus-1 version 0.62 was not found
[09:50] <fdoving> steveire: get libdbus-1-dev
[09:50] <crimsun> nixternal: right, not alsa.
[09:50] <steveire> fdoving: Thanks. Configuring again.
[09:55] <manchicken> Was that put in as a wishlist or as a bug?
[10:01] <fdoving> manchicken: i changed it to that now.
[10:15] <mhb> Riddell: have you seen this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kubuntu-default-settings/+spec/kubuntu-logout-dialog/ ?
[10:16] <mhb> Riddell: I've visited the Czech Ubuntu forums and some of them want that feature so much that they actually wrote a blueprint about it
[10:17] <Riddell> hmm
[10:18] <Riddell> dunno what's wrong with just having them in the k-menu
[10:18] <steveire> make takes a /long/ time
[10:19] <mhb> Riddell: I can request feedback in Czech, that should take less time
[10:19] <mhb> Riddell: I'll tell them to write a rationale for it, then
[10:20] <Riddell> why would you want to set the time to shutdown?
[10:20] <Riddell> "Luciano L??lis de Lima (funrei) wants to be a member of Kubuntu Members" ever heard of him?
[10:21] <mhb> I haven't
[10:24] <mhb> Riddell: I could imagine some use cases but I'll ask them, perhaps they have better arguments for it
[10:26] <manchicken> fdoving: Thanks.  Lots of adept bugs should be wishlist items.
[10:26] <keescook> heya, quick question, what kde app launches when a non-disk usb camera is plugged in?
[10:27] <manchicken> Riddell: If I had time for a little hackathon, would you prefer I work on kde4 system settings or adept bugs?
[10:27] <Riddell> kwwii: dood!
[10:27] <Riddell> kwwii: I need pantone numbers from you
[10:27] <mhb> manchicken: if you ask me, I'd prefer you go for two hackathons :o)
[10:28] <Riddell> manchicken: system settings is good enough in my opinion, anything else on it is cosmetic and replacing qt/kde3 with new classes, but not essentia
[10:28] <Riddell> essential
[10:29] <manchicken> Riddell: That's not an answer :)
[10:29] <Riddell> manchicken: probably adept features would be bestest
[10:29] <manchicken> Righto.
[10:29] <Riddell> but whatever is most satisfying for you of course
[10:29] <manchicken> The unicode issues are going to be the most fun.
[10:29] <fdoving> nite.
[10:29] <kwwii> Riddell: I do not have any pantone info on this machine (that is back in germany) - I will send an email to jane
[10:29] <manchicken> Those are STL's fault.
[10:29] <Riddell> kwwii: I don't think jane has it for that poster
[10:29] <kwwii> ahhaaa...now I see
[10:30] <kwwii> well, I do not have my mac with me so I cannot give them to you until next monday
[10:30] <kwwii> jane could give you the pantone colors for the logo though
[10:31] <Riddell> kwwii: are they the same?  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtwork looks lighter than http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu_akademy_banner.png
[10:31] <kwwii> no, the colors on the wiki are from the old version
[10:31] <DaSkreech> keescook: you have hard disk usb cameras?
[10:32] <kwwii> the new version is different
[10:32] <kwwii> it was changed 2+ releases ago
[10:32] <Riddell> kwwii: when you're back in germany could you update that page then :)
[10:32] <Riddell> DaSkreech: ?
[10:33] <DaSkreech> It can't browse by keyboard :-(
[10:33] <nixternal> ahh, xerosis is Kieran...howdy!! Great job on your bug work I have been seeing flooding the inbox :)
[10:33] <DaSkreech> It's frustrating
[10:33] <DaSkreech> Esp when trying to get to the mouse section!
[10:33] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Was all your dream slanted and flying away from you?
[10:33] <mhb> if nobody touches that bug before feature freeze, I'll fix it then
[10:33] <nixternal> hehe
[10:33] <mhb> DaSkreech: ^^
[10:33] <nixternal> DaSkreech: I don't know, but the volume went low, had to check PCM and fix it :)
[10:34] <nixternal> jdong: ktorrent 2.2rc1 is out, how come I dn't see an upload yet ?)
[10:34] <nixternal> ;)
[10:35] <mhb> DaSkreech: It's one of my "so many people reported that bug to me that it has to be fixed otherwise I'd be in trouble" bugs
[10:35] <DaSkreech> mhb: Which?
[10:36] <keescook> DaSkreech: as in, it's a pure USB, it doesn't end up mounted on /disk/camera
[10:36] <mhb> DaSkreech: keyboard support for system settings
[10:36] <DaSkreech> mhb: pleasepleaseplease
[10:36] <DaSkreech> I have two bugs for system settings and that's the only one I care about
[10:37] <mhb> DaSkreech: like I said, if nobody touches it before feature freeze, I will (try to) fix it after it
[10:37] <DaSkreech> :-)
[10:37] <DaSkreech> My other bug is with highlighting
[10:40] <xerosis> nixternal: why thankyou :)
[10:42] <nixternal> seems the Gnome side is going to use KHTML, possibly GtkHTML?
[10:43] <nixternal> interesting reads...read stuff I didn't even know...Safari is based off of KHTML..I did not know that, I don't think
[10:43] <DaSkreech> nixternal: shame on you :)
[10:43] <nixternal> hehe
[10:43] <Riddell> which read?
[10:43] <nixternal> Planet Gnome
[10:48] <DaSkreech> Yay! Attal is moving to a qt engine
[10:48] <nosrednaekim> what is Attal?
[10:49] <nixternal> This engine is at the heart of KDE4, and is being brought to Gtk by the work put in by various contributors, including Alp's port to Maemo (Alp, you rock dude) making it valuable for GMAE and Gnome in general.
[10:49] <nixternal> This engine == KHTML :)
[10:50] <nixternal> and webkit it seems has something to do...the write up was rather confusing to me, but I picked out GtkHTML
[10:53] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: No clue but it's using qt now :)
[10:53] <nosrednaekim> haha
[10:53] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: it's on the front page of happypenguin.org
[10:53] <nosrednaekim> thts always good
[10:53] <DaSkreech> !info attal
[10:53] <ubotu> attal: turn-based strategy game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.1+cvs20060815-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1016 kB, installed size 3140 kB
[10:54] <DaSkreech> there we go :)
[10:55] <nosrednaekim> cool
[10:55] <nixternal> !nixternal
[10:55] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!
[10:55] <nixternal> yay!
[10:55] <nosrednaekim> Thank bot
[10:55] <nosrednaekim> haha
[10:55] <nosrednaekim> !botsnack
[10:55] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[10:56] <nixternal> man, I thought PCLinuxOS was based/forked from Debian...it is RPM based, it just uses Synaptics and apt-get, no yum
[10:57] <DaSkreech> I like the new Bot snack
[10:58] <nixternal> haha
[11:01] <steveire> I've make'd qt. Finally :). Next strigi
[11:01] <nixternal> hehe
[11:02] <nixternal> strigi should be as as well as soprano..kdelibs is the fun one
[11:03] <nixternal> hrmm, I wonder if it is time to dist-upgrade to gutsy on my lappy
[11:04] <DaSkreech> soprano?
[11:05] <nixternal> yup
[11:05] <nixternal> it is the new name from QRDF I believe
[11:06] <nixternal> seeing as it is a Qt based framework for RDF storage
[11:06] <steveire> I'm following http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Troubleshooting_2. And make just ran without any errors. I tried running assistant, but it returned: 'assistant: cannot connect to X server'
[11:06] <DaSkreech> nixternal: is that another Pillar of KDE4?
[11:06] <nixternal> you need to export your display to 0.0
[11:07] <nixternal> export DISPLAY=:0.0
[11:07] <nixternal> then try and run it
[11:07] <steveire> nixternal: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server\n Xlib: No protocol specified\n\n assistant: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[11:08] <nixternal> how do you remove those icons from the desktop in gutsy? I thought that was fixed
[11:08] <nixternal> steveire: you need to add the kde-devel user to the same groups as your normal user
[11:09] <steveire> nixternal: the admin group?
[11:09] <nixternal> yup
[11:09] <Riddell> nixternal: that gnome-khtml blog makes many innacurate assumptions
[11:10] <nixternal> heh, just open up kcontrol, and say "don't show icons on the desktop'
[11:10] <nixternal> Riddell: so I noticed...about the whole svn import from Apple?
[11:10] <steveire> There's nothing about that on the page. Are you sure? How do I add it to all the neccessary groups?
[11:10] <nixternal> sudo groupadd kde-devel admin
[11:10] <nixternal> logout and log back in
[11:10] <nixternal> err
[11:10] <nixternal> not groupadd, useradd
[11:11] <nixternal> no, it is groupadd...I was looking on the wrong host
[11:11] <nixternal> sudo groupadd kde-devel admin
[11:12] <steveire> groupadd makes a new group though...
[11:12] <Riddell> nixternal: ys
[11:12] <Riddell> yes/
[11:13] <nixternal> you can also use KMenu->System Settings
[11:14] <nixternal> Riddell: that is expected from that side of de camp if you ask me
[11:14] <nixternal> I have noticed so much fud on that planet in the past year...
[11:14] <nixternal> gotta give it up to pk.o for not getting involved with the mudslinging
[11:14] <steveire> nixternal: You sure it's not usermod -a admin kde-devel?
[11:14] <nixternal> that should work as well
[11:14] <Riddell> nixternal: hub is actually quite a KDE fan in many ways
[11:14] <nixternal> there are 200 ways to skin that cat
[11:15] <DaSkreech> Why is there perceived hostility between Gnome and Gearheads?
[11:15] <DaSkreech> nixternal: how would you know after the first one?
[11:15] <nixternal> DaSkreech: each of us hold similar passions
[11:17] <steveire> nixternal: Same error after logout/in.
[11:17] <nixternal> did you export the display again?
[11:17] <steveire> yes
[11:17] <nixternal> hrmm, I have .bashrc export for me
[11:17] <nixternal> oh...I just realised you were trying assistant
[11:18] <nixternal> that hasn't worked since the day they wrote that guide
[11:18] <nixternal> continue on :)
[11:18] <steveire> Is there something that does work?
[11:18] <nixternal> not yet
[11:18] <nixternal> that is just for Qt anyways
[11:18] <nixternal> you will know if it didn't work when you go to build the next section
[11:18] <nixternal> strigi, soprano, and kdelibs won't let you build if qt-copy didn't work
[11:20] <crimsun> DaSkreech: and then there are those of us who don't care, because the env is secondary to another purpose.
[11:20] <steveire> ok. Cheeers.
[11:20] <DaSkreech> crimsun: Praise be as long as it's not MS :)
[11:20] <crimsun> well in nixternal's case, it is.
[11:20] <nixternal> haha
[11:21] <nixternal> Actually, I do have XP on a 20GB partition, only because of my ASP.NET class
[11:22] <nixternal> other than that, you will see 2 Debian boxes running, a Kubuntu box, a Free-BSD box, and my Kubuntu lappy
[11:22] <nixternal> if you see XP running, that means I am doing homework
[11:22] <nixternal> people in Chicago will tell you, I beat up windows kids!
[11:22] <crimsun> see? a bully.
[11:22] <DaSkreech> very MS
[11:22] <nixternal> hahahhaha
[11:22] <DaSkreech> it's rubbing off
[11:23] <DaSkreech> Well yeah
[11:23] <DaSkreech> Chicago
[11:23] <nixternal> school is a great place to beat up MS kids, most of them talk about My Space all day long like it is the greatest thing since toilet paper
[11:24] <DaSkreech> nixternal: it's very close
[11:24] <nixternal> hhee
[11:24] <nixternal> ok, school time
[11:24] <nixternal> later
[11:24] <DaSkreech> !nix
[11:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:24] <DaSkreech> !nixternal
[11:24] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!
[11:24] <nixternal> gah
[11:24] <DaSkreech> :-)
[11:31] <DaSkreech> http://kdemonkey.blogspot.com/2007/06/plain-english.html
[11:45] <manchicken> http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=59957&file1=59957-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Alternate+Kubuntu+Logo
[11:45] <manchicken> That looks neat.
[11:45] <jjesse> evening
[11:46] <claydoh> hey everyone
[11:46] <jjesse> hey doctor nick
[11:48] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Don't like it it
[11:57] <DaSkreech> manchicken:  -it
[12:04] <manchicken> Don't like what?
[12:04] <manchicken> The image?
[12:05] <manchicken> claydoh: Yup.  It happens sometimes :)
[12:06] <claydoh> I got involvrd in a top posting um 'debate' not too long ago
[12:06] <DaSkreech> manchicken: yeah the alternate Kubuntu image
[12:06] <claydoh> s/ involvrd /involved
[12:07] <manchicken> Yeah.  I saw that one :)
[12:07] <DaSkreech> I'm not liking it :)
[12:07] <manchicken> At least in that one you don't get asinine comparisons to train tickets and such.
[12:08] <manchicken> Software is no more like a train ride than a kitten is like space travel.
[12:09] <DaSkreech> train tickets?
[12:10] <manchicken> Long and painful story :)