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bdmurrayI thought it was fix a bug day not report a bug.12:16
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Admiral_Chicagoi really need to apply for QA at some point, I haven't done that12:23
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bdmurrayAdmiral_Chicago: it is tomorrow in Sydney and Berlin12:28
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xeno_Please tell me if this is the wrong forum:  How do I index to duplicates in launchpad from a bug page?12:58
persiaxeno_: There should be a "Dupilcates" list waiting to be expanded on the left side of the page.01:00
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ubotuNew bug: #120119 in gconf-editor (main) "cannot change values which type is changed in the .schema" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12011901:20
nixternalbdmurray: bug 119659 - closed for a multitude of reasons, send shitstorms my way if there are any. thanks01:21
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119659 in linux-source-2.6.20 "libata inconsistency through kernel updates" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11965901:21
ubotuNew bug: #111933 in Ubuntu "Update Manager stops updating from repositories." [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11193301:25
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ubotuNew bug: #120124 in kdepim (main) "kmail with gpg-agent and compiz pops up 'not responding' dialogue" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12012402:21
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dthomasdigitalI'm as green as it get's dealing with bugs but I would sure like to help. What is the first step?02:38
xeno_Is MythTV supported by Ubuntu?  There must be a level it is supported at?02:39
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crimsundthomasdigital: reading the URLs in the topic of this channel is a starting point.02:41
crimsunxeno_: see #ubuntu-mythtv02:41
dthomasdigitalcrimsun I've been reading like crazy is triaging a good place for a beginner?02:42
crimsundthomasdigital: it's as excellent as any02:43
dthomasdigitalthen that is were I'll start I'm looking at the Bugs/HowToTriage wiki right now.02:44
bdmurraydthomasdigital: tomorrow is Ubuntu Hug / Bug Day and we have identified some tasks for it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/2007061302:48
dthomasdigitalThanks bdmurray I'll go there and see what I can do.02:49
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ubotuNew bug: #120129 in eric (universe) "Edge draw line at incorrect position" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12012903:15
xeno_I'm looking for a document that indicates levels of package support, and another document statement ...03:16
xeno_with recommendations on how to handle bugs on packages with different levels of support.03:16
jjessei think on the wiki there is a HelpingWithBugs page that migth help you?03:17
ubotuNew bug: #120131 in Ubuntu "VLC and gnome apps seg fault in KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12013103:20
ubotuNew bug: #120132 in Ubuntu "i swtich to a different user. then switch again to my previous account, the screen is just blank." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12013203:20
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ubotuNew bug: #120133 in Ubuntu "EasyTag and gnome apps seg fault in KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12013303:30
ubotuNew bug: #120136 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox fails to play audio stream periodically" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12013603:30
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ubotuNew bug: #120134 in Ubuntu "GRip and gnome apps seg fault in KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12013403:35
ubotuNew bug: #120137 in Ubuntu "Totem and other gnome apps seg fault in KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12013703:35
ubotuNew bug: #120138 in Ubuntu "gmusicbrowser and other gnome apps seg fault in KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12013803:35
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ubotuNew bug: #120130 in thunderbird (main) "Frezzes the system when sending an email thru a Gmail account" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12013004:15
ubotuNew bug: #120140 in bluefish (universe) "crash adding to aspell dictionary with no word selected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12014004:15
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ubotuNew bug: #120143 in avidemux (multiverse) "mistake in french translation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12014304:30
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ubotuNew bug: #120145 in debian-installer (main) "Gutsy tribe1 server install doesn't detect IDE CD-ROM drive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12014505:21
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ubotuNew bug: #120146 in gnome-vfs-obexftp (universe) "/usr/share/doc/gnome-vfs-obexftp/copyright has inaccurate authors list" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12014605:31
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ubotuNew bug: #120152 in archivemail (universe) ""Permission Denied" when archiving from /var/mail directory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12015206:11
ubotuNew bug: #120153 in alsa-driver (main) "ALSA not supporting creative vibra 16 sound card in ubuntu 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12015306:25
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ubotuNew bug: #120155 in pidgin (main) "Pidgin mysteriously disconected all my usernames (2)." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12015507:35
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thekornhappy HUG DAY!08:28
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ubotuNew bug: #120158 in openoffice.org2-amd64 (main) "OpenOffice.org cannot read certain JPEG" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12015808:36
ccmhug day today?08:42
ccmdarn i have to sit in the office08:42
coNPhug day?08:45
coNPon -devel?08:45
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Hobbseeor here.  whichever08:47
Hobbseehiya Admiral_1hicago08:47
coNPokay :)08:48
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dholbachgood morning08:53
dholbachHAPPY HUG DAY08:53
coNPhey dholbach08:53
thekornmorning dholbach08:53
dholbachheya coNP, hey thekorn08:53
coNPcan you please indicate this fact in the topic :)08:53
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stebeg18good morning altogether08:53
=== minghua wonders if ordinary triaging bugs earns hugs :-)
=== dholbach hugs minghua
dholbachof course it does08:53
=== minghua hugs dholbach
minghuaI usually don't hang out in -bugs, but in hug day, I help what I can08:53
dholbachrock on08:54
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ubotuNew bug: #120159 in inkscape (main) "matplotlib svg displays incorrectly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12015908:55
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asacgood morning all08:59
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coNPgood morning asac09:01
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thekorndholbach: you already commited pittii's delete_attachment changes to py-lp-bugs/main, right?09:13
coNPShould I edit the wikipage above if I started to triage a bug / marked package? Or only if it is done?09:14
dholbachthekorn: yes09:14
thekorncan you please push this changes09:14
dholbachcoNP: you can add a note that you're looking at it, if it takes longer09:14
dholbachthekorn: ugh - I didn'?09:14
coNPI mean done = fixed09:14
thekorndholbach: i don't think so09:15
dholbachthekorn: let me check09:15
coNPFor now only a package is assigned and needs info tag applied09:15
persiacoNP: Update when triage is complete - use normal assignment tracking until it's done.09:15
coNPpersia: sorry I don't understand what do you mean by normal assignment tracking09:15
ubotuNew bug: #120160 in iproute (main) ""ip rule add from all" fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12016009:15
dholbachthekorn: Pushed up to revision 29.09:16
persiacoNP: The "Assignee" field.09:16
dholbachthekorn: thanks for letting me know09:16
coNPso if I am triaging it I should set the Hugger column to me?09:16
coNPin the wiki?09:16
thekornthank you!09:17
coNPor is it automatic?09:17
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persiacoNP: It's not automatic.  I'd set it like that.09:17
coNPOkay, thanks :)09:17
coNPokay that is too much overhead :)09:20
coNPI might fix the wiki after triaging some bugs09:20
coNPnon-trivial feature requests should be confirmed or rejected (a/o marked wishlist) while pointing the user to featurespecs?09:25
ubotuNew bug: #120161 in kdelibs (main) "Lo lamento peeeeero..., no hablo ingls." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12016109:25
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encompasshappy bug day... how do I contribute?09:25
dholbachencompass: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070613 might be a good start09:25
dholbachencompass: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay09:26
encompassbut how do I actually "triage a bug"09:26
encompassdon't know that second link09:26
encompasslooking now09:26
dholbachencompass: if you didn't read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs it might help you getting started with that09:26
=== minghua wonders how many non-
=== minghua wonders how many non-English bug reports we get in one day
Hobbseetoo many09:27
=== Hobbsee wonders if people write in non-english code too.
encompassHobbsee: yes, I have to work with it in finland09:27
encompassI speak only english09:27
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=== persia has only submitted patches in French and English
Hobbseebtu you'd have to write teh compilers and everything to do french, etc, too...09:28
minghuaHobbsee: oh yes they do09:28
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dholbachgnome-translate FTW09:28
Hobbseefun :)09:28
encompasswhat exactly is triaging?09:28
persiaHobbsee: For some languages it's easier.  C has few reserved words that are properly English, for example.09:28
=== minghua heard that all blender's comments were non-English when it was first released under GPL
coNPencompass: that is the act of killing bugs in a proper way without causing any unneeded pain to the software users and developers09:29
encompassfunny bug... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lowmem/+bug/5370209:29
ubotuLaunchpad bug 53702 in lowmem "edgy alt installer low memory error wording 'rude'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 09:29
encompasshow would I go about solving that bug?  or at least confirming or regecting it...09:30
minghuaHmm, I thought I understand triaging, but I'm not so sure now after reading coNP's explanation to encompass :-(09:30
encompassminghua: I am presuming that pain is relative. :)09:31
=== Hobbsee likes the last bit
coNPencompass: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage09:31
=== persia thinks triage is just sorting bugs into queues for easy slaughter
=== minghua likes persia's definition better
crimsundepends on the person, I suppose.  Triage to me means "drowning".09:32
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encompassAdmiral_Chicago: you have got some BIG arms dude09:37
Admiral_Chicagoi've been working out...09:37
=== Admiral_Chicago wonders how to help out for bugday
Admiral_Chicagoi think writing clue files is in order...09:38
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Admiral_Chicagoi don't know where i would begin, probably finding all packages with apport crashes, working from there09:39
Admiral_ChicagoBugMaN: now thats a nick!09:39
BugMaNhi :-)09:40
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ubotuNew bug: #120162 in eog (main) "Unable to click and drag picture with mouse - regression." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12016209:45
ubotuNew bug: #120163 in Ubuntu "extremely slow log on with serial-usb bridge " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12016309:45
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Admiral_Chicagoif anyone comes across bug reports in French, you can assign them to me if you want them translated09:59
Admiral_Chicagoi know we generall accept bugs only in English but the option is there for whomever wants09:59
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minghuathe main difficulty of dealing with non-English reports, for me, is recognizing which language it's in10:00
coNPis there a tag for this?10:01
Admiral_Chicagoi'm not to good with eastern european languages but the Romantic languages I'm good at...10:01
Admiral_ChicagocoNP: afaik, no, i'm just voluntering myself10:02
=== coNP would recognize some eastern european languages
coNPWhat about taggin them so that language experts only have to dig themselves through these reports and translate them?10:03
minghuanow that coNP is mentioning it, I think tagging is a wonderful idea, as long as the tag is consistent10:03
Kmosbug 322210:07
Kmossomeone can check this out ?10:07
coNPbug #322210:07
coNPhey, wake up ubotu10:07
KmoscoNP: the # isn't needed10:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 3222 in vim "gvim is hidden in menu" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/322210:07
coNPyep I realized, therefore this "wake up" line :)10:07
Kmosthis bug is fixed here at my feisty with latest updates10:07
Kmosbut someone there say it isn't10:07
coNPKmos: I check this10:07
coNPKmos: I have gvim in applications/accessories10:07
Kmosme too10:07
BugMaNi don't have gvim in menu10:07
Kmoscomment the bug :)10:07
coNPBugMaN: did you install it? :)10:07
KmosBugMaN: do you have vim-gnome installed ?10:08
Admiral_Chicagoif its not reproduceable, its not a bug10:08
BugMaNcoNP: yes10:08
coNPBugMaN: latest feisty?10:08
BugMaNcoNP: yes10:08
KmosBugMaN: do you have vim-gnome installed ?10:08
BugMaNKmos: yes10:09
coNPI removed it and install through add/remove apps10:09
persiaBugMaN: If you edit your menu, is there an option to enable vim-gnome?10:10
ubotuNew bug: #120164 in gnomesword (universe) "Gnome Sword crashed (dup-of: 118763)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12016410:10
BugMaNpersia: i try to edit10:11
BugMaNpersia: with alacarte?10:11
persiaBugMaN: system...preferences...main menu10:11
coNPgvim appears suddenly10:11
BugMaNpersia: yes vim is present in accessories10:12
coNP<troll>I might close the bug with: okay, people, let us use emacs instead...</troll>10:12
minghuaI don't have feisty here, but the changelog of vim shows that no menu entry is a deliberate choice10:12
KmoscoNP: hehe10:12
BugMaNpersia: emacs is present10:12
dholbachbdmurray: what do you think about tagging bugs as 'german', 'spanish', etc - so people who are bilingual can help with translating?10:12
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Kmospersia: i've set that bug to the blueprint10:13
coNPdholbach: I would recommend a kind of non-english tag since there are not as many foreign bugs on the one hand and there can be unexpected rare languages hard to identify10:13
coNPthat would be easier if had one list to go through (and translate the ones I recognize)10:13
Kmoshow about a message in +filebug saying.. "Please only write English Reports!"10:14
persiaKmos: Opposite way around: the bug exists because of the implementation of the blueprint (if I am correct), and should be rejected with an explanation of how to enable the .desktop file.  There's certainly nothing else that needs doing for gvim.10:14
persiaKmos: Not everyone can write in English.10:14
Kmospersia: that ones doesn't report bugs and can't help developers..10:14
Kmospersia: can you close the bug? i've done it one time, and Sitsofe Wheeler re-opened it!10:15
coNPWhat about easy-to-recognize :) german / french / spanish tags _and_  a kind of "unidentified flying language" tag...10:15
persiaKmos: No, the bugs just need translation (or a developer who can read that language).10:15
ubotuNew bug: #120165 in evolution (main) "Evolution 2.11.2 Preview Message box + Password Box unresponsive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12016510:15
KmoscoNP: portuguese :)10:15
=== minghua is sad to see Chinese categorized as "unidentified flying language", but oh well
coNPs/german \/ french \/ spanish/with a list of your favorite languages/g10:16
Kmosminghua: isn't one of the most spoken10:16
Kmoslike portuguese for example10:16
minghuaHow come?  At least one billion people speaks Chinese.10:17
coNPokay sorry no offense meant I was just sure that there are only a few Portuguese and Chinese and Hungarian and ... bugs and if we tag them separately it does not make a real sense. YMMV10:17
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persiaminghua: Chinese is still valid, just that the unidentified-flying-language queue would be for those languages where the triager cannot identify it.10:17
Kmosminghua: and how many countries?10:17
coNPpersia: exactly the same meant10:18
minghuaI was kidding, of course, no intention to start flamewars10:18
Kmosme too10:18
persiacoNP: I disagree: I argue that every language should carry a tag until such time as it is translated into English (the common development language).10:18
Kmoswe're here to contribute/discuss and find solutions for problems.10:18
coNPI would only apply a "to translate" tag.10:18
minghuaKmos: If counting Chinese people in other countries, all over the world.10:18
coNPAnd then bilingual triagers can quickly go through the list and translate what they can.10:19
KmoscoNP: that's two tags10:19
persiacoNP: I think "translation-needed" (or the like) is too general.  I can only translate from a handful of languages, and I assume that is true for others as well.10:19
minghuapersia: I don't have problem with that10:19
coNPI don't want to translate every bug in that queue only the ones I can10:19
minghuapersia: If it's up to my decision, though, I'll decide on only one tag: non-english10:20
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coNPfor me needs-translation / to-translate sounds better, non-english does not imply that something is to be done with that bug10:21
KmoscoNP: exactly10:21
Kmosdholbach: "needs-translation", how about that ?10:21
minghuaneed- seems also common in existing tags, so I support need-translation as well10:22
Admiral_Chicagodholbach: i think its a great idea, make ubuntu more accessible...10:23
dholbachyeah why not... you just have to know from the bug title (in a bug list) that you know the bug's language - but I guess that's the case10:23
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Kmosdholbach: exactly10:23
coNPwhere is the list of common tags?10:23
Kmosso that tag can be created in LP10:23
coNPmay I append our new baby? :)10:23
Kmosand applied on wiki10:23
Kmosdholbach: can I add it ?10:24
coNPis it "need-translation" at the  end?10:24
dholbachKmos: yes, with a short description10:25
Kmosdholbach: ok10:25
dholbachneeds-translation please10:25
dholbachit's needs-packaging too10:25
dholbachit makes more sense than "need-translation", no?10:25
coNPokay I did it10:25
dholbachrock on10:25
dholbachI use this hug day to tag bugs as packaging, bitesize, upgrade10:25
dholbachand if I come across a non-english one, I'll tag it as needs-translation now10:26
dholbachgo bug categorisation!10:26
seb128dholbach: non-english what?10:26
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dholbachseb128: bugs10:26
seb128dholbach: just close them10:27
dholbachseb128: that way we can easier find translators who help us with cooperating10:27
dholbachseb128: do you close french bugs?10:27
coNPseb128: we apply a tag "needs-translation" and the let happy bug triagers translate them10:27
coNPKmos: sorry I edited the wiki page :)10:27
seb128dholbach: I tend to10:28
seb128coNP: no, I don't want to depends of a translator to ask questions and get a reply10:28
seb128if the submitter is not able to use english is should use the support tracker10:28
seb128not the bug tracker10:28
seb128bugs describe a problems10:28
seb128we have enough of valid ones without trying to spends efforts to translate those not written in english10:29
KmoscoNP: :(10:29
seb128we already discussed that10:29
seb128bugs are there to help us making the distribution better10:29
seb128that's not user support10:29
seb128if we have to spend efforts to even understand the bug that's not useful10:30
Kmosseb128: so LP must be changed with about a message in +filebug saying.. "Please only write English Reports!"10:30
ubotuNew bug: #120166 in 3270 (multiverse) "no iso8859-1 fonts after upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12016610:30
Admiral_Chicagois there a way to get the bughelper contents to dump to a file.10:30
Admiral_Chicagobughelper -p firefox > firefoxout.txt10:31
seb128Kmos: I think there is a bug open on launchpad about that indeed10:31
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Kmosseb128: nice10:31
dholbachAdmiral_Chicago: either that or    --file <file>10:31
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seb128not to mention to accept non-english bugs will give the impression to people they don't have to use english10:32
Admiral_Chicagocool thanks10:32
Admiral_Chicagoi would have run that as a test but with so many bugs in fx, its kind of hard to play around and get the right information...10:32
minghuaseb128: If that's an decision already made, I think it deserves a mail to -devel-announce10:32
seb128minghua: ?10:33
seb128minghua: it has always been like that10:33
seb128bugs are written in english10:33
minghuaseb128: not accepting non-English bugs, ask them to use support tracker, etc.10:33
coNPWhat do to with bug #87348 ? Ask for a backtrace?10:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 87348 in inkscape "crashed on login but was not started" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8734810:33
minghuaseb128: Well, I didn't know that.  And judging from the discussion in the past hour, many people don't know either.10:34
seb128minghua: users don't read devel-announce and I expect bugsquad knowing that10:34
Kmosseb128: can you check bug 322210:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 3222 in vim "gvim is hidden in menu" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/322210:34
encompasshow do I find the bugs I have reported?10:35
seb128Kmos: what about it?10:35
coNPencompass: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~<yourname>/+reportedbugs10:35
minghuaseb128: I've been hanging around for about one year and even translated / asked for translation a few bugs, today is the first time I heard about this position10:35
seb128encompass: launchpad.net/~userid/+reportbugs10:35
minghuaseb128: I'm not a member of bugsquad though10:35
seb128encompass: launchpad.net/~userid/+reportedbugs10:35
Kmosseb128: It works here fine, and some people doesn't10:41
Kmosit's a very strange thing10:41
seb128minghua: well, if you want to bother translation bugs go for it, we don't want tags or an official infrastructure which indicates writting bugs not in english is supported10:41
minghuaAnd by a mail to -devel-announce, I meant letting the developers know, not letting the users know (that's LP +filebugs page's job)10:41
seb128developers known10:41
seb128if some want to accept non english bugs they are free10:41
seb128usually we have enough to do without those though10:41
minghuaseb128: I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just telling you I didn't know this, and I think there are other developers like me10:41
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seb128minghua: writting an announce mail would be forcing a position which I'm not wanting to do10:41
seb128you are free to accept non english bugs on your packages10:41
seb128we don't for most of the distro though because maintainers have enough to do and we don't want to encourage non english bugs10:41
seb128that means extra work10:41
minghuaseb128: and I'm free to reject non-english bugs of packages I don't maintain?10:41
seb128and if people don't know english it's likely they are not technically skilled enough to reply to bug questions and should rather use support tracker10:41
encompasscould someone take a look at this bug?10:41
seb128minghua: yes10:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 40263 in gnomebaker "Copy audio CD... ejects and eats cd before empty is place in drive." [Medium,Unconfirmed] 10:41
minghuaseb128: okay, thanks for clarification10:41
coNPWhat about bug #87348 ? Ask for a backtrace?10:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 87348 in inkscape "crashed on login but was not started" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8734810:41
encompassI don't have that kind of drive anymore so I can't chekc it.10:41
seb128minghua: or Needs Info it and ask for an english description if you prefer10:41
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minghuaseb128: For my package, sure; for others, without an official tag I won't bother (anymore).10:41
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seb128coNP: ask for a backtrace and details of what happened exactly, what he was doing, etc10:41
coNPthanks seb12810:41
encompassThis one, I swear is ready to be confirmed... but it hasn't, kind of a quirky bug...10:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 79351 in nautilus "clicking on a file makes it disappear (like it was deleted)" [Low,Unconfirmed] 10:41
Kmosbug 9915010:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 99150 in avahi "Feisty beta can't install avahi-daemon on partial upgrade" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9915010:42
seb128encompass: can you reproduce it with the described steps? in which case you can confirm it10:42
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coNPminghua: are you from China?10:43
minghuacoNP: Yes.  I am living in US now, though.10:44
coNPCan you please have a look at bug 63770? I don't have to necessary Chinese fonts installed.10:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 63770 in inkscape "Inkscape cannot render Chinese text in bold or italic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6377010:44
seb128encompass: for #40263 I'm not sure of what you can ask, would require to be debugged by somebody getting the bug, might be interesting to know if that happens only with gnomebaker or also when ejecting a CD from nautilus, etc10:44
coNPI would really appreciate this...10:44
ubotuNew bug: #120168 in kvirc (universe) "KVIrc halts shutdown " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12016810:46
minghuacoNP: Sorry, I am not in Ubuntu now.  But that description sounds about right, I don't see what the problem is though.10:46
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encompassseb128: it only happend with gnomebaker10:51
coNPthanks minghua, anyway10:51
encompassI have user nautilus cd burner too, and no issues, same with eject from the command line10:51
encompasswhat about this bug #79351 I will check now if the error occures in feisty too...10:54
ubotuLaunchpad bug 79351 in nautilus "clicking on a file makes it disappear (like it was deleted)" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7935110:54
encompassseb128: bug 79351 has been resolved with the release of feisty...  can we get rid of it now?10:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 79351 in nautilus "clicking on a file makes it disappear (like it was deleted)" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7935110:58
seb128encompass: sure, close it as Fix Released with a comment it's fixed10:58
coNPwhat do do with inkscape dapper bugs?11:01
ubotuNew bug: #120169 in Ubuntu "xubuntu feisty install from cd fails because auto remount of target devices" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12016911:01
coNPbug 120159 seems to be fixed in feisty/gutsy but dapper is still LTS11:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120159 in inkscape "matplotlib svg displays incorrectly" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12015911:01
seb128coNP: if they are fixed close them11:02
coNPseb128: no matter dapper is LTS?11:02
seb128bugs are closed when fixed11:02
seb128if we need a backport we open a dapper task11:03
seb128120159 has no duplicate and is not a security issue or an important bug affecting many users11:04
seb128not likely a candidate for a stable update11:04
coNPseb128: sure11:15
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ubotuNew bug: #120170 in Ubuntu "gnome .thumbnail recoursion problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12017011:15
ubotuNew bug: #120171 in Ubuntu "make gnome search popup more intelligent" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12017111:20
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encompassseb128: how do I mark a bug as "fixed release" ? I can't fine the link anywhere11:24
seb128encompass: click on the corresponding line in the table, it should expand the settings11:25
seb128the inskape bug has been closed11:26
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coNPseb128: which one?11:26
seb128coNP: ups, I mixed bug, he was speaking about a nautilus one ;)11:27
coNPokay just because I want to kill each untriaged inkscape bug now11:27
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encompassseb128: I feel like an idiot... because I can't find the feature on the right11:33
seb128what feature?11:33
encompassseb128: marking a bug as "fix release"  I am new to this11:33
seb128encompass: do you get the setting if you click on task?11:34
seb128maybe you don't have the permission to close a bug11:34
seb128dholbach: what team membership is required for that?11:34
encompassseb128: I don't think I do11:35
encompassI create the bug, but it won't let me11:35
seb128what happens when you click on the bug task in the table at the top of the page?11:35
encompassseb128: hehe11:36
encompassseb128: oh nifty11:36
encompassseb128: that fixed it11:36
encompassyippee!  I feel so useful!11:38
seb128encompass: bug closed it looks like, well done ;)11:40
encompassanyone here with a dual monitor setup?  this but needs to be check if there is a fix.  I don't have dual monitor anymore. :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/xorg/+bug/7186911:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 71869 in xorg "Coming from locked screen shows password prompt in the middle of the two..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 11:47
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encompasswhere can we see the stats of the bugs being fixed and stuff over time?12:00
dholbachencompass: http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/12:01
encompassdholbach: thanks12:01
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pochuHappy Hug Day!!12:15
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pochumvo: do you remember the update-manager hang I talked about? You were right, it was gksu. Deleting ~/.gksu-lock (or something like that) solved it :)12:30
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mvopochu: good, thanks. if there is a bugreport already, could you please add this information there?12:34
pochuI don't know whether there is one, but let me see.12:35
pochucoNP: somebody removed your needs-translation tag. Do you know whether he had a reason to do it?12:35
coNPhey pochu12:40
coNPyep we agreed here that it is a good idea12:40
coNPhowever seb128 pointed out why it isn't12:40
coNPhence it has been removed12:40
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pochucoNP: Ok.12:43
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coNPdo you think Bug #117725 is a real bug? I think it is only some resolution / configuration issue01:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117725 in inkscape "Fonts screwed up when importing SVG from Dia" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11772501:08
coNPin fact there is nothing to fix, it is only that the user should use zoom / resize01:09
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coNPladies and gentlemen no untriaged bugs in inkscape at this moment01:16
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rulusI wonder how this guy of bug #120188 installed Ubuntu.. I bet via the cd :)02:10
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ubotuNew bug: #120199 in ntp (main) "ntp daemon not reconfigured by /etc/network" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12019903:40
ubotuNew bug: #120200 in Ubuntu "[package-request]  Sysadmin-Frontend GUIs (Webmin/Usermin/AIOCP)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12020003:40
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bdmurraydholbach: that sounds good03:48
dholbachbdmurray: seb128 had some reservations03:48
seb128dholbach: about?03:48
dholbachseb128: needs-translation03:48
seb128I thought we agreed it was not a good idea ;)03:48
dholbachseb128: I asked bdmurray before you turned up - he was just going through his backlog03:50
seb128so let's say I not only have some reservations, I think it's not a good idea at all rather ;)03:50
ranf!info deb82203:50
ubotuPackage deb822 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas03:51
persia!info python-deb82203:55
ubotupython-deb822: Read and manipulate RFC822-like files (e.g. .dsc and .changes). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 76 kB03:55
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ubotuNew bug: #120201 in Ubuntu "Printing problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12020104:06
ranfpersia, thanks.04:06
persiaranf: ubotu only has info on binaries.  apt-cache search is your friend :)04:09
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ubotuNew bug: #120203 in cups-pdf (universe) "Please sync cups-pdf (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12020304:16
ubotuNew bug: #120205 in debian-installer (main) "student" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12020504:25
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bdmurraygood morning04:48
Hobbseehiya bdmurray!04:52
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bdmurrayheya Hobbsee!04:52
bdmurrayI wonder if the bugs can drop under 30,00004:53
Hobbseei wish!04:53
bdmurrayIt isn't that far off04:54
bdmurray~150 bugs04:54
seb128bdmurray: how many to tackle for that? ;)04:54
seb128oh, that should be doable04:54
bdmurrayI'd think so.  I'm willing to give it a go.04:55
bdmurray1 down05:00
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bdmurraydholbach: would 93894 classify as bitesize ?05:03
dholbachbug 9389405:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 93894 in dvdrip "icon for dvdrip missing in KDE" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9389405:04
dholbachyeah, good idea05:04
bdmurraydholbach: How do you determine if a bug is bitesize?05:06
ubotuNew bug: #120207 in firefox (main) "Crash during firefox use" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12020705:06
ubotuNew bug: #120208 in kdesdk (main) "umbrello 1.5.6 using 99% of CPU on Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12020805:06
persiaDid the annoying discrepancy between f.d.o and KDE icon standards (/usr/share/pixmaps vs. /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps) ever get resolved?  If not, fixing that will likely break GNOME.05:06
bdmurraypersia: what do you mean?05:09
dholbachbdmurray: not really easy to determine, I can just judge by my own experience... changing strings here and there, adding a desktop file, stuff like that is usually easy and good to start with05:09
ubotuNew bug: #120209 in Ubuntu "MgOpen Cosmetica font misses one important German character" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12020905:10
persiabdmurray: As I understand it, if work based on the last comment to 93894 is performed, the icon won't appear in GNOME.05:10
bdmurraypersia: What I read in the last comment was adding a PNG would work around the issue.  Is that what you read?05:12
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bdmurraydholbach: would bug 97509 need forwarding upstream or be bitesize05:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 97509 in ifupdown "man for interfaces has incorrect examples location" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9750905:12
dholbachbdmurray: probably both05:13
bdmurraydholbach: heh05:13
persiabdmurray: Ideally, the icon would just be a bare name, no directory, and no extension.  Adding a png as well as the svg (or likely even an xpm) would be a workaround for the KDE bug about SVG themes, but it still doesn't address the "standard" icon loading directory.  Anyway, I care about this, so I'll mark it as one of my mentor bugs and work with the person who fixes it.05:15
bdmurrayokay, thanks persia05:17
persiabdmurray: Feel free to subscribe me to any icon/.desktop file bugs - it's one of my larger interests.  Also, tagging these with "desktop-file" helps others working on the menus / icons to catch them and prepare patches.05:18
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ubotuNew bug: #120212 in kde-style-polyester (main) "Please sync kde-style-polyester (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12021205:20
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 117256 in Ubuntu "Thats What She Said!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11725605:35
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ubotuNew bug: #120213 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] gmusicbrowser missing in repositories" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12021305:36
bdmurrayyeah, that bug seems improbable05:38
xerosisbdmurray: i sent you an email about QA for bugday05:40
seb128dholbach: close it ;)05:40
ubotuNew bug: #120214 in gnome-vfs-obexftp (universe) "Faulty reporting of free space with Sony Ericsson z710" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12021405:41
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bdmurrayxerosis: okay, I'm still wading through e-mail05:42
xerosisbdmurray: no problem :)05:42
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ubotuNew bug: #120215 in rhythmbox (main) "Fehler beim Speichern der Titelinformationen - error saving title information" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12021505:46
Hobbseebdmurray: i found recruits :D05:49
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Hobbseebdmurray: convinced amarok upstream that htey were welcome to touch our buglist at will, as most were their bugs, as we try nto to modify their stuff.05:51
bdmurrayHobbsee: very cool05:52
Hobbseeindeed!  :)05:52
Hobbseeyay for good relations with upstream05:52
ubotuNew bug: #120216 in upgrade-system (universe) "Upgradeing from 6.10 ubuntu to 7.4 fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12021605:55
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ubotuNew bug: #120217 in casper "Driver Updates not being installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12021706:05
ubotuNew bug: #120218 in xorg-driver-synaptics (main) "Two-finger tap for right-click should be used by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12021806:05
ubotuNew bug: #120219 in Ubuntu "Wish: enable full ZFS support in Gutsy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12021906:05
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ubotuNew bug: #120220 in nautilus (main) ""Connect to server" have minimal dialogues - Needs to communicate more" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12022006:16
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ubotuNew bug: #120221 in update-manager (main) "upgrade tool crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12022106:21
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ubotuNew bug: #120172 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "SKB BUG" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12017206:31
ubotuNew bug: #120222 in alsa-driver (main) "Sound Blaster (D) X-Fi XtremeMusic Not Recognised" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12022206:31
Hobbseebdmurray: 18 amarok bugs now killed, or being worked on.06:32
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about bugstats - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:34
Pierrekeescook: merci (gd :)06:35
fdovingHobbsee: great initiative with amarok upstream. pointystick++ :)06:35
ubotuNew bug: #120223 in firefox (main) "Flash player/plugin and dvd movies will not work on feisty fawn and amd64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12022306:35
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Hobbseefdoving: yeah, seemed to work :)06:35
bdmurrayHobbsee: the stats are slow for me at the moment06:35
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uboturesponse is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses06:37
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ubotuNew bug: #111599 in amarok (main) "could not launch KDE Help Center: (dup-of: 60475)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11159906:41
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keescookPierre: thank you!  :)06:45
Pierrekeescook: :)06:45
Hobbseehiya keescook06:45
Pierrekeescook: about the other patches I sent to debian, one has to wait a bit, gdImageFilledArc/Arc06:46
keescookhiya Hobbsee!06:46
Hobbseekeescook: a friend of mine says thanks for the xscreensaver update, btw06:46
bryycesomeone actually uses xscreensaver?  ;-)06:46
Pierrekeescook: the patch is valid but it introduces a regressions for edge cases like passing 270 and 630 as angles06:46
Hobbseebryyce: :P06:47
bryycebdmurray: so for bug hug day, am I gathering correctly that we are triaging bugs in the generic Ubuntu product?06:48
bdmurray!info kdescreensaver-aasaver06:48
ubotukdescreensaver-aasaver: KDE Asciiquarium screensaver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.2-2 (feisty), package size 44 kB, installed size 176 kB06:48
bdmurray^- that's what I use06:48
bdmurraybryyce: a sampling of bugs are listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/2007061306:48
keescookHobbsee: do they use xscreensaver in a network-auth environment?06:49
bryycebdmurray: cool thanks06:50
bryycethink I'll pop over to my laptop06:50
Hobbseekeescook: dunno.  doubt it06:50
Hobbseebdmurray: tha'ts fun.  i half-packaged tha tone for ubuntu :)06:50
bdmurrayHobbsee: my kids like the shark eating the fish06:50
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Hobbsee:D yep06:52
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Hobbseei love pages like06:52
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bdmurrayonly about 140 more to go to reach 30,00006:55
Hobbseewoo :)06:57
Hobbseei think someone's filing more bugs06:57
Hobbseebut the bug count apperas to be dropping, from the stats06:57
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ubotuNew bug: #120225 in gaphor (universe) "gaphor gives segmentation fault on ubuntu feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12022507:00
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bdmurraybryyce: I just noticed that the ubuntu-x-swat doesn't have any assigned packages07:09
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Hobbseebdmurray: bug count is dropping :)07:10
Hobbsee[03:09]  <bdmurray> bryyce: I just noticed that the ubuntu-x-swat doesn't have any assigned packages07:10
ubotuNew bug: #120226 in endeavour (universe) "Merge endeavour 2.8.1-3 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12022607:11
ubotuNew bug: #120227 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "rt2500-based network card not assigned network interface" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12022707:11
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brycerHobbsee, hmm, I'm not sure they get assigned to 'ubuntu-x-swat'07:13
bdmurraywow, that's a lot of packages07:14
fdovingHobbsee: what do you think about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/25059 ?07:15
ubotuLaunchpad bug 25059 in kde-systemsettings "Non-standard button order" [Medium,Confirmed] 07:15
fdovingi can make a diff if you want it.07:16
brycerI made a script to show the merge status of all the packages: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/versions_current.html07:16
Hobbseefdoving: um...send it past seele, but every time we make a button change like that, god adds 1000 bugs to malone.07:17
Hobbsee(think of the bugsquad!)07:17
Hobbseefdoving: how many releases have we had it changed for, and what does the rest of dke seem to use?07:18
Hobbseefdoving: makes more sense for the OK button to be on the outside, as per fitt's law, though, so i'm inclined not to change it back for two reasons.07:18
Hobbseefdoving: also, i'd check how kde4 handles it07:18
fdovingin for example konqueror, it's OK, Apply, Cancel.07:19
fdovingkcontrol uses Apply, Reset, system settings uses Reset, Apply.07:20
fdovingi'll make a diff anyway. i want it for myself. i'll attach it to the bug, take it or leave it :)07:21
Hobbseefdoving: bug seele about it, then.07:21
Hobbseefdoving: see what her opinion is07:21
Hobbseefdoving: i dont want to screw around what our users are used to - i hate work doing that to me07:22
Hobbseeour new system has been in at least a year, and i *still* hit the wrong button, as i'm used to wher it used to be.07:22
Hobbsee(they swapped OK and cancel, so OK was no longer in the top right hand corner)07:22
fdovingwell, whatever they order, it should be the same in most apps imho.07:23
fdoving /they/the07:23
Hobbseehence, wondering how kde4 handles it, and/or if they know it's an issue07:24
fdovingand systemsettings is the one that doesn't follow KDE.07:24
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Hobbseei wonder why they changed it07:24
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bdmurraywith gutsy isn't there a new / different kernel package for restricted modules?07:32
Hobbseebdmurray: than feisty?07:34
Hobbseebdmurray: pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.2207:34
ubotuNew bug: #120228 in qt4-x11 (main) "Tablet support isn't build in Qt4 " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12022807:35
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Hobbseebdmurray: ponders what?07:37
bdmurrayHobbsee: why I would have thought that07:39
Hobbseebdmurray: it's the crack finally getting to you.  put *down* the crack pipe07:39
bdmurrayHobbsee: either that or too many bugs07:39
Hobbsee"drinking from the crack pipe...er, the firehose"07:40
bdmurrayHobbsee: don't go anywhere though I'll figure it out07:40
ubotuNew bug: #120229 in xenman (universe) "unable to start at 8 bit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12022907:40
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bdmurray!info linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.2207:42
ubotuPackage linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas07:42
calci'm interested in doing #33594 if no one else is working on it07:43
keescookwe'll never find the right package if people can't spell "nvidia".  ;)  bug 11779707:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117797 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "Nvida driver does not work with latest update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11779707:43
Hobbseesarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-6-generic07:43
Hobbseelinux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-6-generic | 2.6.22-6.11 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au gutsy/main Packages07:43
Hobbseelinux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-6-generic | 2.6.22-6.11 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages07:43
Hobbseelinux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 | 2.6.22-6.11 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au gutsy/main Sources07:43
Hobbseelinux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 | 2.6.22-6.11 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Sources07:43
Hobbseebdmurray: exists ^07:43
Hobbseekeescook: haha07:43
keescookcalc: go for it!  let us know if you need any help.  :)07:43
Hobbseehi calc07:43
Hobbseedie bugs, die!07:44
bdmurrayHobbsee: that's the package I was thinking of07:44
calcas the desktop file fails validation i guess it would help to run the validator against a lot other desktop files as well?07:44
keescookcalc: probably wouldn't hurt; I wonder how many new bugs this will discover...07:45
calcmaybe i should put that down on the todo list and get more bugs closed than opened ;)07:45
bdmurraycalc: that would be ideal07:46
persiacalc: If you do that, don't open bugs for them all.  There's been three goes at it before, and someone always complains it's too many bugs.  Send patches upstream, or to debian, or to us, but only create a bug if there is a patch.07:46
Hobbseecalc: for every bug you open, excluding sync requests, you must close 2.  it's an unofficiial rule.07:46
calcHobbsee: ah ok, i've only opened one this week so far ;)07:47
calcbut i need to close a lot so someone will sponsor me for motu ;)07:47
calcunfortunately the bug i opened has been known upstream for ~ 5 years without being fixed07:48
Hobbseehow will youget sponsored for MOTU by bugwork?07:49
Hobbseeoh, if you close a bug07:49
Hobbseewell, provide a patch07:49
calcwell between that and my upstream debian work, etc07:50
persiacalc: If you close lots of bugs, you're all set.  patches help.07:50
calcmost of the packages (all?) for debian are in ubuntu main though so i need to do bug work for motu first :)07:50
Hobbseeshouldnt be hard to get motu/core if you're a DD07:52
keescookbdmurray: what's the convention for the bugday wiki, irc name or wiki name?07:54
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pochukeescook: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay07:55
ubotuNew bug: #120233 in Ubuntu "Compiz Crashes on ReBoot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12023307:55
brycerbdmurray, ok 42607 still sounds legit, I've added some questions for it07:56
keescookpochu: right, I meant, when filling in my "name" for a finished bug, which style name should I use?  "keescook" (IRC nick) or "KeesCook" (wiki name).  I see both in the list currently.07:56
pochukeescook: Oh, sorry for misunderstanding :)07:59
bdmurraykeescook: don't forget launchapd name07:59
calchttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/83070 <- is this really a "bug" or a misuse of the system?07:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 83070 in Ubuntu "incorrect behavior fat32 partition" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 07:59
bdmurraybug 4260708:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 42607 in xserver-xorg-video-via "Ubuntu Dapper on VIA EPIA-MS with LVDS; no video after installation" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4260708:00
calcthe user hibernates on linux boots into windows, does some stuff, resumes linux and doesn't see files made under windows08:00
bdmurraykeescook: I'd go with wiki name so it links to your wiki page however I probably have not done that.08:00
calcafaict that is not really a bug per say08:00
persiacalc: Needs information.  If the FAT partition is not a system partition, it's a bug.08:01
persia(e.g. local disk used to transfer data between systems)08:01
calcpersia: ah so when linux hibernates/resumes it unmount/remounts the other fs?08:01
keescookcalc: oooh, owch, yeah, if they had it mounted under linux and suspended, that's a misuse.  icky.  I think that sounds like something to reject.  bdmurray?08:01
persiacalc: I don't think it does, but I think (and need information to be sure) that's what the submitter wishes it did.08:02
keescookpersia: do non-system partitions get umounted during a suspend?08:02
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persiakeescook: I think only "removable" devices get cleaned during suspend (USB, 1394), but I'm not 100% sure.08:03
calci don't see any calls to mount/umount under /etc/acpi08:04
bdmurraykeescook: I'm undecided on that one08:04
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persiacalc: MIght be - my laptop doesn't run Ubuntu, so my assumption may be flawed.08:05
keescookcalc: I wouldn't expect any filesystems to umount when suspending/hibernating (imagine if you had an open file on that partition)08:05
keescookI think that should be rejected or at least changed to "wishlist"08:05
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calci don't even see where external devices umount/mount08:06
calckeescook: true08:06
keescookI think it's all hal magic.  :)08:06
bdmurraybrycer: they responded to 42607 already08:06
calci'm marking it confirmed but i can't change the importance08:07
persiakeescook: On my laptop, if I eject a storage card or remove a USB device while it is suspended, it recovers smoothly (perhaps with a page fault if reading data).08:07
bdmurrayI think it is important to put bug 83070 somewhere though08:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 83070 in Ubuntu "incorrect behavior fat32 partition" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8307008:07
bdmurrayi.e. with a package08:07
brycerbdmurray, since they no longer have the hardware, shall I close it as out of date?  I googled around to see if others had the same problem but found nothing relevant08:07
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bdmurraybrycer: if they don't have the hardware and we don't have all we need then closing it seems right to me08:08
brycerokie dokie08:09
bdmurrayI mean it isn't going to go anywhere.08:09
bdmurraykeescook: so you think that bug should be about hal?08:10
calcoh yea that bug isn't attached to anything should i move it to acpi-support?08:10
keescookbdmurray: that may not be its final resting place, but I think it's a good start08:10
brycerthose VIA EPIA's aren't terribly well supported in general, so corner cases like this are unlikely to get much attention from upstream08:10
keescookhal or acpi-support08:10
bdmurraycalc: I set it to wishlist for you08:12
calcbdmurray: ok08:12
calcyipee my first bug triaged, lol08:13
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brycercalc, congrats!  :-)08:13
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keescookhiya Ari, ssam.  wanna help out with bugday?08:14
ssamkeescook, i want to help every day08:15
ssamhows it going?08:15
keescookssam: cool.  :)08:15
keescookwe're making progress08:15
bdmurray~130 to go to drop below 30k08:17
keescookbdmurray: nice08:17
bdmurraymaybe we should like for a package that could use some consolidation08:19
calcbug 117125  fixed08:19
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117125 in Ubuntu "The floppy light stays on, but the floppy does not work but it does spin" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11712508:19
calcer probably fixed that is ;)08:19
calcfor bugs against eg 7.04 beta can i have the user test against the current gutsy cd?08:22
calcbug 107157  for example08:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 107157 in Ubuntu "7.04 Beta fails to boot with splash screen (dup-of: 61711)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10715708:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 61711 in usplash "no boot splash and very slow booting" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6171108:22
ssamthe stack traces for bug 85797 and bug 117528 look quite similar both have sp_repr_undo_log and sp_document_undo, should i mark them as dupes?08:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 85797 in inkscape "[apport]  inkscape crashed during undo" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8579708:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117528 in inkscape "I used Inkscape yesterday and got the crash popup today :(" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11752808:25
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bdmurraykeescook might now08:25
bdmurrayknow even08:25
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bdmurraycalc: Yes, or even testing with Feisty final.08:26
calci noticed it was an unassigned dupe of another bug so i moved it over to assigned to same package, etc08:27
bdmurrayI didn't read all of 61711 but I'm not sure it should really be a dupe08:27
keescookssam: checking08:27
keescookssam: yeah, I would mark 117528 a dup of 8579708:28
ssamkeescook, thanks08:29
bdmurraykeescook: looking at bug 103342 do you know why it wouldn't have a stack trace?08:30
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 103342 in arts "[apport]  artsd crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10334208:30
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keescookbdmurray: I don't -- I've been assuming those are a result of a corrupted coredump08:33
keescookthe big clue for me is the lack of the "Disassembly.txt" attachment08:33
Kmosadd to the topic https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/2007061308:34
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keescookthat usually means whatever is needed for the stacktrace is missing too08:34
bdmurrayso there really isn't anything useful in it then?08:35
keescooknot that I can see.  Maybe there are other artsd crashes it could be marked a dup of?08:36
Kmosplease someone take a decision on bug 322208:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 3222 in vim "gvim is hidden in menu" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/322208:36
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Kmosit works here.. i've the gvim in gnome menu applications -> acessories08:36
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bdmurrayyeah, there are a fair number of artsd crash bugs08:36
persiaKmos: I couldn't find anything in the relevant spec to justify rejecting it, but I have the disabled gvim.desktop not showing in my menus locally, so I can confirm it.  I still don't think it should be fixed.08:37
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calcprobably will always crash, lol08:37
Kmospersia: strange thing.. why i've it in menu ?08:37
bdmurraycalc: I've seen some where artsd crashed when I pressed Ctrl+Alt+Backspace08:38
persiaKmos: Perhaps you have a different history with the menu management spec implementations than I?08:38
calcMMC cards aren't supported under linux, right? (i heard that somewhere before)08:39
Kmospersia: really don't know, if we have the same package08:39
Kmoscalc: my laptop reader isn't supported :)08:40
bdmurraycalc: depends on the reader rather than the card.  My desktop reader works fine my laptop reader has no driver08:40
calci claim 11108908:40
bdmurraybug 53923 is about a Ti reader08:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 53923 in linux-source-2.6.20 "tifm: Texas Instruments Card reader not working" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5392308:41
ubotuNew bug: #120236 in Ubuntu "KDE - reboot PC "to Windows XP" does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12023608:41
ubotuNew bug: #120237 in Ubuntu "crontab formatted incorrectly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12023708:41
ubotuNew bug: #120238 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "status of battery of my laptop not shown" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12023808:41
persiaKmos: I have 1:7.1-000+1ubuntu108:41
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Kmospersia: vim-gnome ?08:41
persiaKmos: yep.08:42
ubotuNew bug: #120234 in Ubuntu "can't go to internet with wifi and with linux under ubuntu feisty fawn 7.04. I'm french" [Wishlist,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12023408:42
ubotuNew bug: #120235 in Ubuntu "aipc cauases kernel panic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12023508:42
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Kmosi've this one08:42
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Kmoskmos@bash:~$ dpkg -s vim-gnome08:43
KmosPackage: vim-gnome08:43
KmosStatus: install ok installed08:43
KmosPriority: extra08:43
KmosSection: editors08:43
KmosInstalled-Size: 182008:43
KmosMaintainer: Ubuntu Core Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>08:43
KmosArchitecture: i38608:43
KmosSource: vim08:43
KmosVersion: 1:7.0-164+1ubuntu7.108:43
Kmosexactly, you've a newer version08:43
Kmosi'm i38608:43
persiaKmos: Yep - don't paste :)  I'm looking at the changelog.08:43
Kmospersia: sorry08:43
calcis there a standard list of things to get from a user for hardware support stuff?08:44
calchwdb-xml -a output or something else?08:44
Kmoskeescook: bug 9915008:45
ubotuLaunchpad bug 99150 in avahi "Feisty beta can't install avahi-daemon on partial upgrade" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9915008:45
Kmoskeescook: do you know if this is fixed ?08:45
bdmurraycalc check !responses08:45
uboturesponse is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses08:45
Kmosi think pitti has done something08:45
calcok thanks08:45
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bdmurrayusually 'lspci -vvnn' for the kernel team08:46
persiaKmos: Found it.  Reject as intentional.  Hidden by default since 1:6.4-006+2ubuntu108:46
bdmurraykeescook: I found an arts crash that says "Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?)"08:46
Kmospersia: give me the url of changelog08:47
persiaKmos: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/v/vim/vim_7.0-035+1ubuntu5.1/changelog is the first I found.  Please adjust the version to match that of the person who keeps reopening the bug.08:49
ubotuNew bug: #120239 in alsa-utils (main) "amixer doesn't react on "toggle" (feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12023908:50
Kmosi found it there08:50
Kmosand i show the changelog part of NoDisplay=True at .desktop08:50
keescookbdmurray: that sounds sound good, dup to that one.08:51
keescookKmos: 99150> I have avahi running, so I assume so.  :)08:52
Kmoskeescook: the problem is in the upgrade..08:52
keescookKmos: reading...08:53
Kmoskeescook: it's reported by me08:53
Kmosi've removed avahi without --purge08:54
keescookah, i see.  yeah, I don't think it's fixed yet.  Perhaps Trent has not had time to fix it yet?08:54
Kmosso pitti checked that before feisty final and tell me he will do an update to some script08:54
Kmoskeescook: don't know08:55
ubotuNew bug: #120240 in ajaxterm (universe) "not possible to login in both opera & konqueror" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12024008:55
keescookKmos: feisty avahi is 0.6.17-0ubuntu3.  a huge amount of things were changed in debian since then (http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/avahi/current/changelog)08:56
Kmoskeescook: let's check08:56
keescookKmos: go for it.  :)08:56
Kmosi've subscribed slomo for the bug08:57
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keescookbrycer: 45418's wiki entry is busted08:59
bryceryeah just noticed... saving fix now08:59
ubotuNew bug: #120241 in gtk+2.0 (main) "libgtk2.0-dev should depend on libxcomposite-dev and libxdamage-dev ?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12024109:00
pochuslomo_: btw, libgtk 2.11.2 has been uploaded. Could you check the liferea's icon issue when you update it? :)09:02
Kmosbug 11241409:03
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112414 in Ubuntu "Error: Could not find service 'kfmclient' using Gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11241409:03
Kmosthis is a nice one to check09:04
Kmosmaybe to reject :)09:04
calc5 down, 30K to go09:04
pochuKmos: or rather add the missing dependency ;)09:05
calcbug 111361  what should be done about this?09:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 111361 in Ubuntu "SD memory card (/dev/sdf1) not recognised by gnome/feisty when inserted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11136109:05
brycernice to see the definite drop off though:  http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/09:05
calcit seems that the card reader works it was just one of this cards didn't happen to work09:05
calcshould i reject it?09:05
ubotuNew bug: #120242 in synaptic (main) "[gutsy]  powertop reports nearly 1000 wakeups during a package update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12024209:05
brycer100 bugs closed in 8 hrs :-)09:06
Kmospochu: :)09:06
brycerso, what, 100 more bug hug days and we'll be done?  ;-)09:06
calcso any comments about rejecting bug 111361?09:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 111361 in Ubuntu "SD memory card (/dev/sdf1) not recognised by gnome/feisty when inserted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11136109:07
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CMooneyI have beer and want to learn to hunt bugs.09:08
brycerheya CMooney welcome to the bug slaughter09:08
CMooneyDo I just choose one from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/2007061309:08
brycerCMooney, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070613, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses/, and http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/09:08
ssamis there a way to speed up getting membership of the qa team?09:09
bryceryup, that's what I've been doing09:09
brycerssam, bring beer for bdmurray maybe? ;-)09:09
bdmurraycalc: looking09:11
calcbdmurray: ok i was going to tell the user to format the card that doesn't happen to work and reject the bug as being unreproducible09:11
calcbdmurray: from the kernel log snippet it almost seems like the card is flaking out or bad09:12
calcbdmurray: it appears to have redetected the card twice within 0.08s09:13
bdmurraythere is no indication as to the file system on the card09:13
calcbdmurray: so would telling the user to reformat their non-working card and reject the bug be ok?09:14
bdmurraycalc: I don't really think so there may be something going on there and strictly speaking it isn't non-working right?  He can mount it manually.09:15
calcbdmurray: hmm yea you are right09:15
calci won't reject it, i'll just follow up asking him if formatting the card allows it to automount, since other cards on the same device automount09:16
keescookcalc: I may be a matter of teaching hal to mount it.09:16
keescookyeah, that's a better approach, missed that details (other cards work)09:16
bdmurrayCMooney: do you have a question about a specific bug?09:17
bdmurraykeescook: doesn't hal do auto mounting based on device information?09:17
CMooneyjust attempting to help with the bug hunt. Going to have a stab at this one09:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 34093 in linux-source-2.6.15 "USB drive opens nautilus in loops" [Medium,Needs info] 09:17
keescookbdmurray: yeah, I misunderstood; since it's the same device, formatting sounds like a reasonable thing to check first09:17
CMooneyErm what do I click to assign it to myself??09:18
KmosCMooney: you'll fix it ? :)09:19
CMooneyAh. No.09:19
Kmosso, no assign =)09:19
CMooneyDidn't realise it meant that.... lol09:19
ssambdmurray, is bribing you with beer the best way to get approved onto the qa team?09:19
bdmurrayKmos: actually I think assigning bugs to yourself when they need more information is correct09:19
bdmurrayThat way there is someone to go back and look at the bug in the event there is no response09:20
Kmosbdmurray: but you can comment and ask for that information without assign it09:20
bdmurrayKmos: okay but how will you find it again?09:20
Kmossubscribe it09:20
keescookCMooney: if you marked it "Needs Info", yes, assign it to yourself.09:21
Kmosand check https://bugs.launchpad.net/~login09:21
keescookKmos: assignee just means "person to take next action"09:23
calcwow localization stuff for ooo takes forever09:23
Kmoskeescook: I think assigning was just for people who want to fix it09:23
bdmurrayKmos: but my subscribed bugs also includes bugs I am just watching not waiting for information09:23
Kmosbdmurray: me too09:23
keescookKmos: nope, that would be true if the bug is "Confirmed" or "In Progress"09:23
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bdmurrayKmos: my point being that assignment provides a distinction between bugs I am watching or bugs I am waiting for information on09:23
keescookfor "Needs Info", someone needs to make sure the info arrives.  once that happens, they can flip it to "confirmed" and unassign themself  :)09:23
Kmosmvo: bug 109765 (can you tell me something about this? 0% progress ? )09:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 109765 in update-manager "run apt-get autoclean after upgrade" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10976509:23
joumetalkeescook I rejected bug 40522 just minute after your comment :)09:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 40522 in initramfs-tools "Check for kernels < 2.6.12 may not always do the right thing" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4052209:23
Kmoskeescook: yeah09:23
keescookjoumetal: whoops! sorry for the collision. :)09:23
mvoKmos: what do you want to know :) ?09:23
CMooneykeescook: It was already marked as needs info, but I don't mind taking responsibility. But I can't see anything that says "Assign to me"09:23
calcbug 95757 - user claims it is fixed already but it shows attached to kernel source in unconfirmed state09:23
Kmosmvo: if that's already done or in progress09:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 95757 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Ubuntu won't boot after upgrading to Feisty using update-manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9575709:23
CMooneyFound it!09:25
joumetalkeescook It's not your fault09:25
keescookCMooney: if you click on the package name, it should open a box for you to fill in your LP login09:25
bdmurrayCMooney: after you click on the package linux-source-2.6.15 in this case you will be able to assign the bug or confirm it09:25
CMooneyDarn sub-menu's09:25
bdmurraykeescook: it's a radio button with "Me" nearby09:25
mvoKmos: its not currently done, also it would not be hard to do. I felt that its not that urgent because we have a automatic cron job that will do cleanup of the cache every 2 days09:25
CMooneyWooo! I feel proud my first bug. Victory beer sip!09:25
keescookbdmurray: dur.  yeah.  I've been using greasemonkey too much.  ;)09:25
keescook\o/   CMooney09:25
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Kmosmvo: ok09:25
CMooneyAw thanks.09:25
bdmurraykeescook: back to hal stuff doesn't it use fdi policies for mounting devices?09:25
CMooneyWas thinking once I have mastered the art of Bug Hunting, trying to got a BOF at Lug Radio Live or the such like09:25
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ubotuNew bug: #120244 in mtink (universe) "mtink HTML Help Files missing - /usr/share/doc/mtink/html/index.html" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12024409:26
CMooneyAlso the when in says "Ask the reporter if it is still an issue, assign it to yourself and mark it "Needs Info"". Does that mean just comment on the bug or directly email the reporter of the email?09:27
keescookbdmurray: fdi?09:27
bdmurray /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/10freedesktop/10-usb-card-readers.fdi09:27
keescookCMooney: just means comment on the bug.  Generally in the same drop-down box where you click on the "Me" radio button09:28
keescookbdmurray: you appear to know more about hal than me.  :)09:28
CMooneykeescok: Is that comment box any different to the one that is on the bottom of the page?09:29
keescookjust that it's all in one place, so you can fiddle with the bug settings and make a comment at the same time.09:29
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ubotuNew bug: #120245 in gfax (universe) "gfax: merge new debian version (0.7.6-3)" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12024509:31
CMooneyHow long is best to wait before rejecting a bug?09:31
bdmurraybug 97490 really is about artsd crashing after pressing Ctrl+Alt+Backspace.  Would you expect stuff to crash when Zap'ing X?09:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 97490 in arts "[apport]  artsd crashed with SIGSEGV" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9749009:31
bdmurrayCMooney: 4 weeks09:31
brycerbdmurray, ssam had a Q earlier09:31
keescookbdmurray: it shouldn't _crash_, but it's really no surprise that it did.  I think low or wishlist is fine.09:32
bdmurraybrycer: looking09:32
brycerbdmurray, you could also mention the blueprint for disabling ctrl-alt-bkspace09:33
bdmurrayssam: Hi! Have you mailed me the application?09:33
ssambdmurray, i just did the join button on the team page09:33
ssambdmurray, do i need to email you aswell?09:34
bdmurrayssam: I found the e-mail, I'll reply.09:34
ubotuNew bug: #120246 in gnome-panel (main) "problem with update manager..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12024609:36
CMooneyRight, this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xresprobe/+bug/46352 has had information from the reporter, but still little has been done. Is it worth asking if there is still a problem? Or should it be brought to someones attension?09:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 46352 in xresprobe "Panel resolution not detected" [Medium,Needs info] 09:36
bdmurrayCMooney: looking09:37
bdmurraybrycer: do you have any thoughts on it?09:38
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brycerbdmurray, yeah I'm also not sure on that one09:38
brycerit could be a dupe of another, but there's not enough info to say09:39
brycerCMooney, yeah ask if it's still a problem on Feisty09:39
brycerI suspect it probably is, but who knows09:39
ubotuNew bug: #120247 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "ALC262 sound problem: internal speakers do not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12024709:40
ubotuNew bug: #120248 in gnome-desktop (main) "Need update to Gnome 2.18.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12024809:40
CMooneyRight. Is there anyway to tell what version of ubuntu it was first seen against?09:40
brycerif the case is that the monitor is not reporting EDID information, it's going to be difficult to fix - like with bug 373109:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 3731 in xorg "Xorg resolution falling back to 640x480 and/or 800x600 when h/v freqs incorrect" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/373109:40
CMooneyI'd like to know before asking a stupid question09:41
brycerCMooney, hmm, the Xorg.0.log file shows xorg 7.0.0, which is pretty old09:42
CMooneyRight I will ask him/her and assign it to myself09:42
CMooneyHmm that calls for another victory sip. Think I will have to move onto shots if I manage to actually close or reject a bug!09:45
bdmurrayssam: Did you see my reply?09:50
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ssambdmurray, yes thanks, just replying to it now09:50
ubotuNew bug: #120249 in gnome-panel (main) "segfault in IA__g_type_check_is_value_type" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12024909:50
ubotuNew bug: #120250 in adept (main) "Make dowload list available in Adept" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12025009:50
Kmosbug 10801209:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 108012 in Ubuntu "2 instances of secondlife can freeze the whole system" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10801209:50
CMooneyAre there really bugs going back to last year??09:50
CMooneybug 3215209:51
ubotuLaunchpad bug 32152 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 "Wireless networking suddenly broken" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3215209:51
crimsunthere are even older bugs09:51
CMooneyWow. Is there a reason why there isnt an automatic filter on all bugs that are older that 18months with no activity in the last 3??09:52
KmosCMooney: bug 9192509:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 91925 in malone "Automatically expire old Needs Info bug reports" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9192509:53
CMooneyPhew. Thats a relief at least its been thought about.09:54
brycerbdmurray, bug 43708 might be related to your bug 11207309:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 43708 in acpi-support "Resume from suspend and hibernate fail when X is running on Fujitsu amilo 7440" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4370809:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112073 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Restore from sleep/hibernation no longer works - Regression since Feisty Beta - gdm hangs" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11207309:55
ubotuNew bug: #120251 in ekiga (main) ""security check failed"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12025109:55
ubotuNew bug: #120252 in hal (main) "se queda colgado" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12025209:55
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ubotuNew bug: #120253 in dbmail (universe) "Merge dbmail 2.2.5 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12025310:11
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keescookhiya ScottK-laptop10:15
ScottK-laptopHigh there10:16
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bdmurraycrimsun: ping10:18
crimsunbdmurray: pong10:18
bdmurrayI'm looking at bug 114461 about slow sound.  Do you have any input on it?10:19
ubotuLaunchpad bug 114461 in Ubuntu "Slow sound sometimes in feisty/amd64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11446110:19
brycerhi JenFraggle10:19
bdmurrayJenFraggle wrote clue file yesterday and deserves a hug for that10:20
crimsunbdmurray: hardware problem.10:20
bdmurrayhardware not driver?10:20
crimsunbdmurray: that's indicative of a broken AC'97 codec, not much we can do about that.10:20
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bdmurraycrimsun: I don't think that is the first time I have seen something like that.  Is there anything to keep an eye out for?10:21
crimsunbdmurray: really depends on the hardware.  Some nforce 2/3 hardware driven by snd-intel8x0 exhibit that problem, some don't.10:22
crimsunI should probably generate a clue file for that stuff.10:22
keescookwhat kde application handles downloading photos from non-disk usb cameras?10:22
bdmurraykeescook: which bug was that?10:23
keescookbug 10523210:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 105232 in Ubuntu "Kodak USB connection stalls" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10523210:23
Kmoswhat package handles /media/name_of_mounted_point_here10:24
Kmosfor usb pen for example10:24
Kmosbug 11630210:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 116302 in Ubuntu "please change /media/disk back to /media/usbdisk" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11630210:25
bdmurraykeescook: it sounds like they are using konqueror there.  wouldn't dmesg be helpful?10:25
ubotuNew bug: #120254 in nicotine (universe) "nicotine crashed with ElementNotFoundError in __init__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12025410:25
keescookbdmurray: they already included it; no useful output10:25
bdmurraykeescook: maybe dmesg in Feisty would be more informative? that seems to be dmesg from Edgy10:26
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bdmurrayKmos: I'd think hal10:29
bdmurraycrimsun: could you comment on that bug?10:30
bdmurraykeescook: you seem to have touched bug 64870 at some point in time and the last comment indicates that maybe it could be closed.  Do you agree?10:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 64870 in shadow "su segfaults when you press Ctrl-D" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6487010:33
keescookoh that one... let me reread again10:33
crimsunbdmurray: done.10:34
bdmurraycrimsun: thanks10:34
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ubotuNew bug: #120256 in Ubuntu "konqueror - pdf preview with kpdf crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12025610:40
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bdmurrayI'm looking at bug 69325 now and a wiki page seems to indicate that fat32 is supported by syslinux version 3.0.  How do I figure out what came with Edgy?10:45
ubotuLaunchpad bug 69325 in Ubuntu "Bootable USB Flash Drive version of Kubuntu Edgy LiveCD" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6932510:45
Ari_bdmurray: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search10:46
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bdmurrayAri_: thanks10:47
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Burgundaviahey bdmurray10:48
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bdmurrayranf: hello10:52
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ubotuNew bug: #120258 in Ubuntu "Laptop Battery Time Remaining Outrageously  Inaccurate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12025811:01
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keescookis there a debug-suspend-problems set of questions to ask?11:06
ubotuNew bug: #120261 in kdebase (main) "Konqueror Doesn't Load aeroplan.ca" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12026111:06
bdmurraysuspend to disk or suspend to ram?11:06
keescook"low power", so ram (suspend)11:06
bdmurrayfree is a good start. ;)11:06
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bdmurraywhoops, that'd be disk.11:09
bdmurraythe usual plus 'sudo dmidecode'11:10
ubotuNew bug: #120259 in firefox-themes-ubuntu (main) "FireFox crashed when I downloaded a file using "Save link AS..."" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12025911:11
ubotuNew bug: #120262 in Ubuntu "Genius Tablet (used to work as wacom) does not work anymore on hotplug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12026211:15
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ubotuNew bug: #120264 in latex-beamer (universe) "Text is incorrectly displayed in gray" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12026411:25
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ubotuNew bug: #120266 in dbus (main) "dbus sometimes holds a reference to deleted files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12026611:40
bdmurrayonly 111 more to go11:42
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ktoon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:50
bdmurray!info ktoon11:50
ubotuPackage ktoon does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas11:50
bdmurrayhow can bug 78247 be then?11:51
ubotuLaunchpad bug 78247 in ktoon "Crashes on start-up" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7824711:51
ubotuNew bug: #120268 in openoffice.org (main) "After upgrade to 7.04, line spacing in drawing too wide" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12026811:51
ubotuNew bug: #120269 in Ubuntu "Gnome hides utility windows in fullscreen mode" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12026911:51
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CMooneywoo i got a reply to a bug. hasn't helped but glad that theres a chance of sorting something.11:52
pochu!info ktoon gutsy11:52
bdmurrayCMooney: cool11:52
ubotuPackage ktoon does not exist in gutsy11:52
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bdmurraycrimsun: ah, thanks11:53
ubotuNew bug: #120270 in evolution (main) "Searching hides/deletes e-mails searched for" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12027011:55
ubotuNew bug: #120272 in Ubuntu "loud 1000 hz squealing noise in all apps prodcing any sound" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12027212:00
ubotuNew bug: #120273 in gnome-system-tools (main) "duplicate icons of removable media at startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12027312:00
ubotuNew bug: #120275 in openoffice.org2-amd64 (main) "Missing toolbar and menu icons and crash when trying to change them" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12027512:05

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