[12:06] New bug: #120103 in php5 (main) "PHP 5.2.3-ubuntu1 Broken - Problems with : /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120103 [12:06] New bug: #120104 in ubuntu-meta (main) "Suggestion: Add gsynaptics to default install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120104 [12:10] New bug: #120105 in Ubuntu "Driver card video is not saved" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120105 [12:10] New bug: #120106 in Ubuntu "No logro reproducir esta pagina!!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120106 [12:15] New bug: #120107 in casper (main) "[gutsy] Ubuntu Live CD memory requirements need updating" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120107 [12:15] New bug: #120108 in Ubuntu "En esta pagina no se reproduce la radio!!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120108 === cypher1 [n=cypher1@c-68-83-184-230.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [12:16] I thought it was fix a bug day not report a bug. [12:20] New bug: #120109 in sysvinit (main) "Initializing of usbfs does not behave properly with USB disabled" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120109 === Admiral_Chicago thought it was tomorrow... [12:23] i really need to apply for QA at some point, I haven't done that === slmnhq [n=salmanh@denali.asti-usa.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [12:25] New bug: #120110 in update-manager (main) "Upgrade to 7.04 cancelled" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120110 [12:25] New bug: #120111 in iso-codes (main) "Wake Island misspelled in iso-3166-2 template" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120111 [12:28] Admiral_Chicago: it is tomorrow in Sydney and Berlin === Ari_ [n=daniel@p54AF68DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === CarlF1 [n=carl@adsl-75-52-192-98.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === hggdh [n=hggdh@72-255-76-110.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === killown [n=killown@unaffiliated/killown] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [12:46] New bug: #120112 in Ubuntu "The last pdate slows the computer an make it unusable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120112 [12:51] New bug: #120114 in update-manager (main) "A unresolvable problem occurred while initializing the package information." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120114 [12:51] New bug: #120115 in Ubuntu "Bug report pops up during startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120115 === xeno_ [n=xeno@00095b9d62d3.click-network.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [12:58] Please tell me if this is the wrong forum: How do I index to duplicates in launchpad from a bug page? [01:00] xeno_: There should be a "Dupilcates" list waiting to be expanded on the left side of the page. [01:00] New bug: #120117 in gstreamer0.10-pitfdll (universe) "codecs to play real videos not used or detected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120117 === Dezastru [i=Administ@209.8.41.151] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === killown [n=killown@unaffiliated/killown] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [01:20] New bug: #120119 in gconf-editor (main) "cannot change values which type is changed in the .schema" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120119 [01:21] bdmurray: bug 119659 - closed for a multitude of reasons, send shitstorms my way if there are any. thanks [01:21] Launchpad bug 119659 in linux-source-2.6.20 "libata inconsistency through kernel updates" [Undecided,Rejected] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119659 [01:25] New bug: #111933 in Ubuntu "Update Manager stops updating from repositories." [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111933 === hggdh [n=hggdh@72-255-76-110.client.stsn.net] has left #ubuntu-bugs [] [01:45] New bug: #120118 in Ubuntu "locale bug while upgrading Feisty Fawn" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120118 === smm83 [n=shane@12-216-188-54.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [01:50] New bug: #120121 in mplayer (multiverse) "mplayer quits abruptly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120121 === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [02:00] New bug: #120122 in Ubuntu "[Tribe1] alt-CD/x86 cmdline installation failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120122 === mathias [n=mathias@chello213047054216.31.11.tuwien.teleweb.at] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [02:10] New bug: #120123 in Ubuntu "[Tribe1] Manual partitioning gives inconsistent units" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120123 === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-99-211.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [02:21] New bug: #120124 in kdepim (main) "kmail with gpg-agent and compiz pops up 'not responding' dialogue" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120124 === mathias [n=mathias@chello213047054216.31.11.tuwien.teleweb.at] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === dthomasdigital [n=dthomas@56-159.69-92-cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === hggdh [n=hggdh@72-255-76-110.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === hggdh [n=hggdh@72-255-76-110.client.stsn.net] has left #ubuntu-bugs [] [02:38] I'm as green as it get's dealing with bugs but I would sure like to help. What is the first step? [02:39] Is MythTV supported by Ubuntu? There must be a level it is supported at? === hggdh [n=hggdh@72-255-76-110.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === hggdh [n=hggdh@72-255-76-110.client.stsn.net] has left #ubuntu-bugs [] [02:41] dthomasdigital: reading the URLs in the topic of this channel is a starting point. [02:41] xeno_: see #ubuntu-mythtv [02:42] crimsun I've been reading like crazy is triaging a good place for a beginner? [02:43] dthomasdigital: it's as excellent as any [02:44] then that is were I'll start I'm looking at the Bugs/HowToTriage wiki right now. [02:48] dthomasdigital: tomorrow is Ubuntu Hug / Bug Day and we have identified some tasks for it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070613 [02:49] Thanks bdmurray I'll go there and see what I can do. === malakhi [n=malakhi@dsl-066-037-085-185.citizip.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === ehc [n=x@wall.pacinfo.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === xeno_ [n=xeno@00095b9d62d3.click-network.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@stwgw.stw.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === dthomasdigital is away: I'm busy === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === cypher1 [n=cypher1@c-68-83-184-230.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [03:15] New bug: #120129 in eric (universe) "Edge draw line at incorrect position" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120129 [03:16] I'm looking for a document that indicates levels of package support, and another document statement ... [03:16] with recommendations on how to handle bugs on packages with different levels of support. [03:17] i think on the wiki there is a HelpingWithBugs page that migth help you? [03:20] New bug: #120131 in Ubuntu "VLC and gnome apps seg fault in KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120131 [03:20] New bug: #120132 in Ubuntu "i swtich to a different user. then switch again to my previous account, the screen is just blank." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120132 === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [03:30] New bug: #120133 in Ubuntu "EasyTag and gnome apps seg fault in KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120133 [03:30] New bug: #120136 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox fails to play audio stream periodically" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120136 === malakhi [n=malakhi@dsl-066-037-085-185.citizip.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [03:35] New bug: #120134 in Ubuntu "GRip and gnome apps seg fault in KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120134 [03:35] New bug: #120137 in Ubuntu "Totem and other gnome apps seg fault in KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120137 [03:35] New bug: #120138 in Ubuntu "gmusicbrowser and other gnome apps seg fault in KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120138 === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Yasumoto [n=joe@cpe-75-84-49-174.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [04:15] New bug: #120130 in thunderbird (main) "Frezzes the system when sending an email thru a Gmail account" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120130 [04:15] New bug: #120140 in bluefish (universe) "crash adding to aspell dictionary with no word selected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120140 === dthacker [n=dthacker@ip68-107-233-209.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [04:30] New bug: #120143 in avidemux (multiverse) "mistake in french translation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120143 === xeno_ [n=xeno@00095b9d62d3.click-network.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === xeno_ [n=xeno@00095b9d62d3.click-network.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === killown [n=killown@unaffiliated/killown] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === xfceslacker [n=xfceslac@24-183-204-14.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [05:21] New bug: #120145 in debian-installer (main) "Gutsy tribe1 server install doesn't detect IDE CD-ROM drive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120145 === dthomasdigital [n=dthomas@56-159.69-92-cpe.cableone.net] has left #ubuntu-bugs ["Leaving"] [05:31] New bug: #120146 in gnome-vfs-obexftp (universe) "/usr/share/doc/gnome-vfs-obexftp/copyright has inaccurate authors list" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120146 === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp167-203.lns4.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [05:40] New bug: #120149 in build-essential (main) "/usr/local/lib should be included in ld.so.conf" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120149 === xfceslacker [n=xfceslac@24-183-204-14.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has left #ubuntu-bugs ["Kopete] === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Dezastru [i=Administ@209.8.41.155] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === killown [n=killown@unaffiliated/killown] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp167-203.lns4.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-70-78.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [06:11] New bug: #120152 in archivemail (universe) ""Permission Denied" when archiving from /var/mail directory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120152 [06:25] New bug: #120153 in alsa-driver (main) "ALSA not supporting creative vibra 16 sound card in ubuntu 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120153 === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Admiral_Chicago_ [n=freddy@adsl-68-255-111-125.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [07:35] New bug: #120155 in pidgin (main) "Pidgin mysteriously disconected all my usernames (2)." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120155 === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@adsl-69-209-76-160.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === FliesLikeABrick_ [n=Ryan@adsl-76-223-100-182.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-88-47.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-88-47.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Admiral_Chicago_ [n=freddy@adsl-68-255-109-184.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Admiral_1hicago [n=FreddyM@adsl-68-255-109-184.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [08:28] happy HUG DAY! === atreju [n=atreju@87-239-96-129-dsl.qfast.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [08:36] New bug: #120158 in openoffice.org2-amd64 (main) "OpenOffice.org cannot read certain JPEG" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120158 [08:42] hug day today? [08:42] darn i have to sit in the office [08:45] hug day? [08:45] on -devel? === rpedro_ [n=rpedro@87-196-39-82.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Admiral_1hicago [n=FreddyM@adsl-68-255-110-41.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [08:47] or here. whichever [08:47] hiya Admiral_1hicago [08:48] okay :) === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F706F1.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === stebeg18 [n=beguschs@83-64-135-93.klagenfurt-suedost.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [08:53] good morning [08:53] HAPPY HUG DAY [08:53] hey dholbach [08:53] morning dholbach [08:53] heya coNP, hey thekorn [08:53] can you please indicate this fact in the topic :) === mode/#ubuntu-bugs [+o dholbach] by ChanServ === ..[topic/#ubuntu-bugs:dholbach] : Ubuntu BugSquad | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If you have been triaging bugs for a while, please apply to https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-qa/ - http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad | HAPPY HUG DAY EVERYBODY! === mode/#ubuntu-bugs [-o dholbach] by dholbach [08:53] YEEEEHAW! [08:53] good morning altogether === minghua wonders if ordinary triaging bugs earns hugs :-) === dholbach hugs minghua [08:53] of course it does === minghua hugs dholbach [08:53] :-) [08:53] I usually don't hang out in -bugs, but in hug day, I help what I can [08:54] :-) [08:54] rock on === mvo [n=egon@p54A6769C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [08:55] New bug: #120159 in inkscape (main) "matplotlib svg displays incorrectly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120159 === Pierre__ [n=Pierre@o207.orange.fastwebserver.de] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [08:59] good morning all === Pierre__ is now known as Pierre [09:01] good morning asac === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F770C4.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [09:13] dholbach: you already commited pittii's delete_attachment changes to py-lp-bugs/main, right? [09:14] Should I edit the wikipage above if I started to triage a bug / marked package? Or only if it is done? [09:14] thekorn: yes [09:14] can you please push this changes [09:14] coNP: you can add a note that you're looking at it, if it takes longer [09:14] thekorn: ugh - I didn'? [09:14] I mean done = fixed [09:15] dholbach: i don't think so [09:15] thekorn: let me check [09:15] For now only a package is assigned and needs info tag applied [09:15] coNP: Update when triage is complete - use normal assignment tracking until it's done. [09:15] thanks [09:15] persia: sorry I don't understand what do you mean by normal assignment tracking [09:15] New bug: #120160 in iproute (main) ""ip rule add from all" fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120160 [09:16] thekorn: Pushed up to revision 29. [09:16] coNP: The "Assignee" field. [09:16] thekorn: thanks for letting me know [09:16] so if I am triaging it I should set the Hugger column to me? [09:16] in the wiki? [09:17] thank you! [09:17] or is it automatic? === thekorn hugs dholbach [09:17] coNP: It's not automatic. I'd set it like that. [09:17] Okay, thanks :) [09:20] okay that is too much overhead :) [09:20] I might fix the wiki after triaging some bugs [09:25] non-trivial feature requests should be confirmed or rejected (a/o marked wishlist) while pointing the user to featurespecs? [09:25] New bug: #120161 in kdelibs (main) "Lo lamento peeeeero..., no hablo ingls." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120161 === encompass [n=encompas@dsl-hvkgw1-fe6ffa00-119.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [09:25] happy bug day... how do I contribute? [09:25] encompass: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070613 might be a good start [09:26] encompass: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay [09:26] but how do I actually "triage a bug" [09:26] don't know that second link [09:26] looking now [09:26] encompass: if you didn't read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs it might help you getting started with that === minghua wonders how many non- === minghua wonders how many non-English bug reports we get in one day [09:27] too many === Hobbsee wonders if people write in non-english code too. [09:27] Hobbsee: yes, I have to work with it in finland [09:27] I speak only english === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === persia has only submitted patches in French and English [09:28] btu you'd have to write teh compilers and everything to do french, etc, too... [09:28] Hobbsee: oh yes they do === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [09:28] gnome-translate FTW [09:28] fun :) [09:28] what exactly is triaging? [09:28] Hobbsee: For some languages it's easier. C has few reserved words that are properly English, for example. === minghua heard that all blender's comments were non-English when it was first released under GPL [09:29] encompass: that is the act of killing bugs in a proper way without causing any unneeded pain to the software users and developers [09:29] ahhh [09:29] funny bug... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lowmem/+bug/53702 [09:29] Launchpad bug 53702 in lowmem "edgy alt installer low memory error wording 'rude'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [09:30] how would I go about solving that bug? or at least confirming or regecting it... [09:30] Hmm, I thought I understand triaging, but I'm not so sure now after reading coNP's explanation to encompass :-( [09:31] minghua: I am presuming that pain is relative. :) === Hobbsee likes the last bit [09:31] encompass: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage === persia thinks triage is just sorting bugs into queues for easy slaughter === minghua likes persia's definition better [09:32] depends on the person, I suppose. Triage to me means "drowning". === grumpymole [n=warren@c220-237-175-49.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Admiral_1hicago hugs room [09:37] Admiral_Chicago: you have got some BIG arms dude [09:37] i've been working out... === Admiral_Chicago wonders how to help out for bugday [09:38] i think writing clue files is in order... === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [09:39] i don't know where i would begin, probably finding all packages with apport crashes, working from there [09:39] BugMaN: now thats a nick! [09:40] hi :-) === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-102.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [09:45] New bug: #120162 in eog (main) "Unable to click and drag picture with mouse - regression." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120162 [09:45] New bug: #120163 in Ubuntu "extremely slow log on with serial-usb bridge " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120163 === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === morty [n=morty@88-105-96-62.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === ranf [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-180-074.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-113-187.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [09:59] if anyone comes across bug reports in French, you can assign them to me if you want them translated [09:59] i know we generall accept bugs only in English but the option is there for whomever wants === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [10:00] the main difficulty of dealing with non-English reports, for me, is recognizing which language it's in [10:01] is there a tag for this? [10:01] i'm not to good with eastern european languages but the Romantic languages I'm good at... [10:02] coNP: afaik, no, i'm just voluntering myself === coNP would recognize some eastern european languages [10:03] What about taggin them so that language experts only have to dig themselves through these reports and translate them? [10:03] now that coNP is mentioning it, I think tagging is a wonderful idea, as long as the tag is consistent [10:07] bug 3222 [10:07] someone can check this out ? [10:07] bug #3222 [10:07] hey, wake up ubotu [10:07] coNP: the # isn't needed [10:07] Launchpad bug 3222 in vim "gvim is hidden in menu" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3222 [10:07] yep I realized, therefore this "wake up" line :) [10:07] this bug is fixed here at my feisty with latest updates [10:07] but someone there say it isn't [10:07] Kmos: I check this [10:07] Kmos: I have gvim in applications/accessories [10:07] me too [10:07] i don't have gvim in menu [10:07] comment the bug :) [10:07] BugMaN: did you install it? :) [10:08] BugMaN: do you have vim-gnome installed ? [10:08] if its not reproduceable, its not a bug [10:08] coNP: yes [10:08] BugMaN: latest feisty? [10:08] coNP: yes [10:08] BugMaN: do you have vim-gnome installed ? [10:09] Kmos: yes [10:09] I removed it and install through add/remove apps [10:09] strange [10:10] BugMaN: If you edit your menu, is there an option to enable vim-gnome? [10:10] New bug: #120164 in gnomesword (universe) "Gnome Sword crashed (dup-of: 118763)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120164 [10:11] persia: i try to edit [10:11] persia: with alacarte? [10:11] BugMaN: system...preferences...main menu [10:11] gvim appears suddenly [10:12] persia: yes vim is present in accessories [10:12] I might close the bug with: okay, people, let us use emacs instead... [10:12] I don't have feisty here, but the changelog of vim shows that no menu entry is a deliberate choice [10:12] coNP: hehe [10:12] persia: emacs is present [10:12] bdmurray: what do you think about tagging bugs as 'german', 'spanish', etc - so people who are bilingual can help with translating? === persia thinks gvim is covered by https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/menus-revised [10:13] persia: i've set that bug to the blueprint [10:13] dholbach: I would recommend a kind of non-english tag since there are not as many foreign bugs on the one hand and there can be unexpected rare languages hard to identify [10:13] that would be easier if had one list to go through (and translate the ones I recognize) [10:14] hm [10:14] how about a message in +filebug saying.. "Please only write English Reports!" [10:14] :) [10:14] Kmos: Opposite way around: the bug exists because of the implementation of the blueprint (if I am correct), and should be rejected with an explanation of how to enable the .desktop file. There's certainly nothing else that needs doing for gvim. [10:14] Kmos: Not everyone can write in English. [10:14] persia: that ones doesn't report bugs and can't help developers.. [10:14] :) [10:15] persia: can you close the bug? i've done it one time, and Sitsofe Wheeler re-opened it! [10:15] What about easy-to-recognize :) german / french / spanish tags _and_ a kind of "unidentified flying language" tag... [10:15] Kmos: No, the bugs just need translation (or a developer who can read that language). [10:15] New bug: #120165 in evolution (main) "Evolution 2.11.2 Preview Message box + Password Box unresponsive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120165 [10:15] coNP: portuguese :) [10:15] heh [10:16] sorry === minghua is sad to see Chinese categorized as "unidentified flying language", but oh well [10:16] s/german \/ french \/ spanish/with a list of your favorite languages/g [10:16] minghua: isn't one of the most spoken [10:16] like portuguese for example [10:17] How come? At least one billion people speaks Chinese. [10:17] okay sorry no offense meant I was just sure that there are only a few Portuguese and Chinese and Hungarian and ... bugs and if we tag them separately it does not make a real sense. YMMV === bryce_ [n=bryce@71.237.200.28] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [10:17] minghua: Chinese is still valid, just that the unidentified-flying-language queue would be for those languages where the triager cannot identify it. [10:17] minghua: and how many countries? [10:18] persia: exactly the same meant [10:18] I was kidding, of course, no intention to start flamewars [10:18] me too [10:18] =) [10:18] coNP: I disagree: I argue that every language should carry a tag until such time as it is translated into English (the common development language). [10:18] we're here to contribute/discuss and find solutions for problems. [10:18] I would only apply a "to translate" tag. [10:18] Kmos: If counting Chinese people in other countries, all over the world. [10:19] And then bilingual triagers can quickly go through the list and translate what they can. [10:19] YMMV [10:19] coNP: that's two tags [10:19] coNP: I think "translation-needed" (or the like) is too general. I can only translate from a handful of languages, and I assume that is true for others as well. [10:19] "needs-translation" [10:19] persia: I don't have problem with that [10:19] I don't want to translate every bug in that queue only the ones I can [10:20] persia: If it's up to my decision, though, I'll decide on only one tag: non-english === persia withdraws - "needs-translation" is good. [10:21] for me needs-translation / to-translate sounds better, non-english does not imply that something is to be done with that bug [10:21] :) [10:21] coNP: exactly [10:21] dholbach: "needs-translation", how about that ? [10:22] need- seems also common in existing tags, so I support need-translation as well [10:23] dholbach: i think its a great idea, make ubuntu more accessible... [10:23] yeah why not... you just have to know from the bug title (in a bug list) that you know the bug's language - but I guess that's the case === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [10:23] dholbach: exactly [10:23] where is the list of common tags? [10:23] so that tag can be created in LP [10:23] may I append our new baby? :) [10:23] and applied on wiki [10:24] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Tags [10:24] dholbach: can I add it ? [10:24] is it "need-translation" at the end? [10:25] Kmos: yes, with a short description [10:25] dholbach: ok [10:25] needs-translation please [10:25] it's needs-packaging too [10:25] it makes more sense than "need-translation", no? [10:25] okay I did it [10:25] rock on [10:25] I use this hug day to tag bugs as packaging, bitesize, upgrade [10:26] and if I come across a non-english one, I'll tag it as needs-translation now [10:26] go bug categorisation! [10:26] dholbach: non-english what? === persia encourages triagers to also use the "patch" tag when the submitter (or another interested party" has given us a patch. [10:26] seb128: bugs [10:27] dholbach: just close them [10:27] seb128: that way we can easier find translators who help us with cooperating [10:27] seb128: do you close french bugs? [10:27] seb128: we apply a tag "needs-translation" and the let happy bug triagers translate them [10:27] Kmos: sorry I edited the wiki page :) [10:28] dholbach: I tend to [10:28] coNP: no, I don't want to depends of a translator to ask questions and get a reply [10:28] if the submitter is not able to use english is should use the support tracker [10:28] not the bug tracker [10:28] bugs describe a problems [10:29] we have enough of valid ones without trying to spends efforts to translate those not written in english [10:29] coNP: :( [10:29] we already discussed that [10:29] bugs are there to help us making the distribution better [10:29] that's not user support [10:30] if we have to spend efforts to even understand the bug that's not useful [10:30] seb128: so LP must be changed with about a message in +filebug saying.. "Please only write English Reports!" [10:30] New bug: #120166 in 3270 (multiverse) "no iso8859-1 fonts after upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120166 [10:30] is there a way to get the bughelper contents to dump to a file. [10:31] bughelper -p firefox > firefoxout.txt [10:31] ? [10:31] Kmos: I think there is a bug open on launchpad about that indeed === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has left #ubuntu-bugs [] [10:31] seb128: nice [10:31] Admiral_Chicago: either that or --file === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-bugs [] [10:32] not to mention to accept non-english bugs will give the impression to people they don't have to use english [10:32] cool thanks [10:32] i would have run that as a test but with so many bugs in fx, its kind of hard to play around and get the right information... [10:32] seb128: If that's an decision already made, I think it deserves a mail to -devel-announce [10:33] minghua: ? [10:33] minghua: it has always been like that [10:33] bugs are written in english [10:33] seb128: not accepting non-English bugs, ask them to use support tracker, etc. [10:33] What do to with bug #87348 ? Ask for a backtrace? [10:33] Launchpad bug 87348 in inkscape "crashed on login but was not started" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87348 [10:34] seb128: Well, I didn't know that. And judging from the discussion in the past hour, many people don't know either. [10:34] minghua: users don't read devel-announce and I expect bugsquad knowing that [10:34] seb128: can you check bug 3222 [10:34] Launchpad bug 3222 in vim "gvim is hidden in menu" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3222 [10:35] how do I find the bugs I have reported? [10:35] Kmos: what about it? [10:35] encompass: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~/+reportedbugs [10:35] seb128: I've been hanging around for about one year and even translated / asked for translation a few bugs, today is the first time I heard about this position [10:35] encompass: launchpad.net/~userid/+reportbugs [10:35] seb128: I'm not a member of bugsquad though [10:35] encompass: launchpad.net/~userid/+reportedbugs [10:41] seb128: It works here fine, and some people doesn't [10:41] it's a very strange thing [10:41] minghua: well, if you want to bother translation bugs go for it, we don't want tags or an official infrastructure which indicates writting bugs not in english is supported [10:41] And by a mail to -devel-announce, I meant letting the developers know, not letting the users know (that's LP +filebugs page's job) [10:41] developers known [10:41] if some want to accept non english bugs they are free [10:41] usually we have enough to do without those though [10:41] seb128: I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just telling you I didn't know this, and I think there are other developers like me === txwikinger2 [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [10:41] minghua: writting an announce mail would be forcing a position which I'm not wanting to do [10:41] you are free to accept non english bugs on your packages [10:41] we don't for most of the distro though because maintainers have enough to do and we don't want to encourage non english bugs [10:41] that means extra work [10:41] seb128: and I'm free to reject non-english bugs of packages I don't maintain? [10:41] and if people don't know english it's likely they are not technically skilled enough to reply to bug questions and should rather use support tracker [10:41] could someone take a look at this bug? [10:41] minghua: yes [10:41] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnomebaker/+bug/40263 [10:41] Launchpad bug 40263 in gnomebaker "Copy audio CD... ejects and eats cd before empty is place in drive." [Medium,Unconfirmed] [10:41] seb128: okay, thanks for clarification [10:41] What about bug #87348 ? Ask for a backtrace? [10:41] Launchpad bug 87348 in inkscape "crashed on login but was not started" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87348 [10:41] I don't have that kind of drive anymore so I can't chekc it. [10:41] minghua: or Needs Info it and ask for an english description if you prefer === yamal [n=yamal@Room641A.no-such-agency.net.ru] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [10:41] seb128: For my package, sure; for others, without an official tag I won't bother (anymore). === munckfish [n=munckfis@217.150.115.62] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [10:41] coNP: ask for a backtrace and details of what happened exactly, what he was doing, etc [10:41] thanks seb128 [10:41] This one, I swear is ready to be confirmed... but it hasn't, kind of a quirky bug... [10:41] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/79351 [10:41] Launchpad bug 79351 in nautilus "clicking on a file makes it disappear (like it was deleted)" [Low,Unconfirmed] [10:42] bug 99150 [10:42] Launchpad bug 99150 in avahi "Feisty beta can't install avahi-daemon on partial upgrade" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99150 [10:42] encompass: can you reproduce it with the described steps? in which case you can confirm it === rulus [n=rulus_|@d54C1A033.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [10:43] minghua: are you from China? [10:44] coNP: Yes. I am living in US now, though. [10:44] Can you please have a look at bug 63770? I don't have to necessary Chinese fonts installed. [10:44] Launchpad bug 63770 in inkscape "Inkscape cannot render Chinese text in bold or italic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63770 [10:44] encompass: for #40263 I'm not sure of what you can ask, would require to be debugged by somebody getting the bug, might be interesting to know if that happens only with gnomebaker or also when ejecting a CD from nautilus, etc [10:44] I would really appreciate this... [10:46] New bug: #120168 in kvirc (universe) "KVIrc halts shutdown " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120168 [10:46] coNP: Sorry, I am not in Ubuntu now. But that description sounds about right, I don't see what the problem is though. === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [10:51] seb128: it only happend with gnomebaker [10:51] thanks minghua, anyway [10:51] I have user nautilus cd burner too, and no issues, same with eject from the command line [10:54] what about this bug #79351 I will check now if the error occures in feisty too... [10:54] Launchpad bug 79351 in nautilus "clicking on a file makes it disappear (like it was deleted)" [Low,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79351 [10:58] seb128: bug 79351 has been resolved with the release of feisty... can we get rid of it now? [10:58] Launchpad bug 79351 in nautilus "clicking on a file makes it disappear (like it was deleted)" [Low,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79351 [10:58] encompass: sure, close it as Fix Released with a comment it's fixed [11:01] what do do with inkscape dapper bugs? [11:01] New bug: #120169 in Ubuntu "xubuntu feisty install from cd fails because auto remount of target devices" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120169 [11:01] bug 120159 seems to be fixed in feisty/gutsy but dapper is still LTS [11:01] Launchpad bug 120159 in inkscape "matplotlib svg displays incorrectly" [Medium,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120159 [11:02] coNP: if they are fixed close them [11:02] seb128: no matter dapper is LTS? [11:02] bugs are closed when fixed [11:03] if we need a backport we open a dapper task [11:04] 120159 has no duplicate and is not a security issue or an important bug affecting many users [11:04] not likely a candidate for a stable update [11:15] seb128: sure === coNP hugs seb128 === seb128 hugs coNP [11:15] New bug: #120170 in Ubuntu "gnome .thumbnail recoursion problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120170 [11:20] New bug: #120171 in Ubuntu "make gnome search popup more intelligent" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120171 === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [11:24] seb128: how do I mark a bug as "fixed release" ? I can't fine the link anywhere [11:25] encompass: click on the corresponding line in the table, it should expand the settings [11:26] the inskape bug has been closed === ivoks [n=ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [11:26] seb128: which one? [11:27] coNP: ups, I mixed bug, he was speaking about a nautilus one ;) [11:27] okay just because I want to kill each untriaged inkscape bug now === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [11:33] seb128: I feel like an idiot... because I can't find the feature on the right [11:33] what feature? [11:33] seb128: marking a bug as "fix release" I am new to this [11:34] encompass: do you get the setting if you click on task? [11:34] maybe you don't have the permission to close a bug [11:34] dholbach: what team membership is required for that? [11:34] none [11:35] seb128: I don't think I do [11:35] I create the bug, but it won't let me [11:35] ? [11:35] what happens when you click on the bug task in the table at the top of the page? [11:36] seb128: hehe [11:36] seb128: oh nifty [11:36] seb128: that fixed it [11:36] ;) [11:38] yippee! I feel so useful! [11:40] encompass: bug closed it looks like, well done ;) [11:46] anyone here with a dual monitor setup? this but needs to be check if there is a fix. I don't have dual monitor anymore. :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/xorg/+bug/71869 [11:47] Launchpad bug 71869 in xorg "Coming from locked screen shows password prompt in the middle of the two..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-113-187.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [12:00] where can we see the stats of the bugs being fixed and stuff over time? [12:01] encompass: http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/ [12:01] dholbach: thanks === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [12:08] New bug: #120174 in iproute (main) "iproute2 route flush hangs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120174 === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === encompass [n=encompas@dsl-hvkgw1-fe6ffa00-119.dhcp.inet.fi] has left #ubuntu-bugs [] [12:10] New bug: #120175 in Ubuntu "wammu cannot import wx (doesn't start)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120175 === pochu [n=emilio@115.Red-88-27-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [12:15] Happy Hug Day!! [12:15] New bug: #120176 in openssh (main) "ssh client does not connect to ssh servers" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120176 === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [12:30] mvo: do you remember the update-manager hang I talked about? You were right, it was gksu. Deleting ~/.gksu-lock (or something like that) solved it :) === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === txwikinger2 [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has left #ubuntu-bugs [] === txwikinger2 [n=txwiking@blah.jabber.dk] has joined #ubuntu-bugs === norsetto [n=norsetto@host126-223-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-bugs [12:34] pochu: good, thanks. if there is a bugreport already, could you please add this information there? [12:35] I don't know whether there is one, but let me see. [12:35] coNP: somebody removed your needs-translation tag. Do you know whether he had a reason to do it? [12:40] hey pochu [12:40] yep we agreed here that it is a good idea [12:40] however seb128 pointed out why it isn't [12:40] hence it has been removed [12:40]