[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120103 in php5 (main) "PHP 5.2.3-ubuntu1 Broken - Problems with : /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120103
[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120104 in ubuntu-meta (main) "Suggestion: Add gsynaptics to default install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120104
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120105 in Ubuntu "Driver card video is not saved" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120105
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120106 in Ubuntu "No logro reproducir esta pagina!!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120106
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120107 in casper (main) "[gutsy]  Ubuntu Live CD memory requirements need updating" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120107
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120108 in Ubuntu "En esta pagina no se reproduce la radio!!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120108
[12:16] <bdmurray> I thought it was fix a bug day not report a bug.
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120109 in sysvinit (main) "Initializing of usbfs does not behave properly with USB disabled" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120109
[12:23] <Admiral_Chicago> i really need to apply for QA at some point, I haven't done that
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120110 in update-manager (main) "Upgrade to 7.04 cancelled" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120110
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120111 in iso-codes (main) "Wake Island misspelled in iso-3166-2 template" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120111
[12:28] <bdmurray> Admiral_Chicago: it is tomorrow in Sydney and Berlin
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #120112 in Ubuntu "The last pdate slows the computer an make it unusable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120112
[12:51] <ubotu> New bug: #120114 in update-manager (main) "A unresolvable problem occurred while initializing the package information." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120114
[12:51] <ubotu> New bug: #120115 in Ubuntu "Bug report pops up during startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120115
[12:58] <xeno_> Please tell me if this is the wrong forum:  How do I index to duplicates in launchpad from a bug page?
[01:00] <persia> xeno_: There should be a "Dupilcates" list waiting to be expanded on the left side of the page.
[01:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120117 in gstreamer0.10-pitfdll (universe) "codecs to play real videos not used or detected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120117
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120119 in gconf-editor (main) "cannot change values which type is changed in the .schema" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120119
[01:21] <nixternal> bdmurray: bug 119659 - closed for a multitude of reasons, send shitstorms my way if there are any. thanks
[01:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119659 in linux-source-2.6.20 "libata inconsistency through kernel updates" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119659
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #111933 in Ubuntu "Update Manager stops updating from repositories." [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111933
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120118 in Ubuntu "locale bug while upgrading Feisty Fawn" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120118
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #120121 in mplayer (multiverse) "mplayer quits abruptly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120121
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120122 in Ubuntu "[Tribe1]  alt-CD/x86 cmdline installation failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120122
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120123 in Ubuntu "[Tribe1]  Manual partitioning gives inconsistent units" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120123
[02:21] <ubotu> New bug: #120124 in kdepim (main) "kmail with gpg-agent and compiz pops up 'not responding' dialogue" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120124
[02:38] <dthomasdigital> I'm as green as it get's dealing with bugs but I would sure like to help. What is the first step?
[02:39] <xeno_> Is MythTV supported by Ubuntu?  There must be a level it is supported at?
[02:41] <crimsun> dthomasdigital: reading the URLs in the topic of this channel is a starting point.
[02:41] <crimsun> xeno_: see #ubuntu-mythtv
[02:42] <dthomasdigital> crimsun I've been reading like crazy is triaging a good place for a beginner?
[02:43] <crimsun> dthomasdigital: it's as excellent as any
[02:44] <dthomasdigital> then that is were I'll start I'm looking at the Bugs/HowToTriage wiki right now.
[02:48] <bdmurray> dthomasdigital: tomorrow is Ubuntu Hug / Bug Day and we have identified some tasks for it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070613
[02:49] <dthomasdigital> Thanks bdmurray I'll go there and see what I can do.
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120129 in eric (universe) "Edge draw line at incorrect position" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120129
[03:16] <xeno_> I'm looking for a document that indicates levels of package support, and another document statement ...
[03:16] <xeno_> with recommendations on how to handle bugs on packages with different levels of support.
[03:17] <jjesse> i think on the wiki there is a HelpingWithBugs page that migth help you?
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120131 in Ubuntu "VLC and gnome apps seg fault in KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120131
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120132 in Ubuntu "i swtich to a different user. then switch again to my previous account, the screen is just blank." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120132
[03:30] <ubotu> New bug: #120133 in Ubuntu "EasyTag and gnome apps seg fault in KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120133
[03:30] <ubotu> New bug: #120136 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox fails to play audio stream periodically" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120136
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120134 in Ubuntu "GRip and gnome apps seg fault in KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120134
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120137 in Ubuntu "Totem and other gnome apps seg fault in KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120137
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120138 in Ubuntu "gmusicbrowser and other gnome apps seg fault in KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120138
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120130 in thunderbird (main) "Frezzes the system when sending an email thru a Gmail account" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120130
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120140 in bluefish (universe) "crash adding to aspell dictionary with no word selected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120140
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #120143 in avidemux (multiverse) "mistake in french translation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120143
[05:21] <ubotu> New bug: #120145 in debian-installer (main) "Gutsy tribe1 server install doesn't detect IDE CD-ROM drive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120145
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #120146 in gnome-vfs-obexftp (universe) "/usr/share/doc/gnome-vfs-obexftp/copyright has inaccurate authors list" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120146
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120149 in build-essential (main) "/usr/local/lib should be included in ld.so.conf" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120149
[06:11] <ubotu> New bug: #120152 in archivemail (universe) ""Permission Denied" when archiving from /var/mail directory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120152
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120153 in alsa-driver (main) "ALSA not supporting creative vibra 16 sound card in ubuntu 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120153
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120155 in pidgin (main) "Pidgin mysteriously disconected all my usernames (2)." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120155
[08:28] <thekorn> happy HUG DAY!
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #120158 in openoffice.org2-amd64 (main) "OpenOffice.org cannot read certain JPEG" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120158
[08:42] <ccm> hug day today?
[08:42] <ccm> darn i have to sit in the office
[08:45] <coNP> hug day?
[08:45] <coNP> on -devel?
[08:47] <Hobbsee> or here.  whichever
[08:47] <Hobbsee> hiya Admiral_1hicago
[08:48] <coNP> okay :)
[08:53] <dholbach> good morning
[08:53] <dholbach> HAPPY HUG DAY
[08:53] <coNP> hey dholbach
[08:53] <thekorn> morning dholbach
[08:53] <dholbach> heya coNP, hey thekorn
[08:53] <coNP> can you please indicate this fact in the topic :)
[08:53] <dholbach> YEEEEHAW!
[08:53] <stebeg18> good morning altogether
[08:53] <dholbach> of course it does
[08:53] <dholbach> :-)
[08:53] <minghua> I usually don't hang out in -bugs, but in hug day, I help what I can
[08:54] <dholbach> :-)
[08:54] <dholbach> rock on
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120159 in inkscape (main) "matplotlib svg displays incorrectly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120159
[08:59] <asac> good morning all
[09:01] <coNP> good morning asac
[09:13] <thekorn> dholbach: you already commited pittii's delete_attachment changes to py-lp-bugs/main, right?
[09:14] <coNP> Should I edit the wikipage above if I started to triage a bug / marked package? Or only if it is done?
[09:14] <dholbach> thekorn: yes
[09:14] <thekorn> can you please push this changes
[09:14] <dholbach> coNP: you can add a note that you're looking at it, if it takes longer
[09:14] <dholbach> thekorn: ugh - I didn'?
[09:14] <coNP> I mean done = fixed
[09:15] <thekorn> dholbach: i don't think so
[09:15] <dholbach> thekorn: let me check
[09:15] <coNP> For now only a package is assigned and needs info tag applied
[09:15] <persia> coNP: Update when triage is complete - use normal assignment tracking until it's done.
[09:15] <thekorn> thanks
[09:15] <coNP> persia: sorry I don't understand what do you mean by normal assignment tracking
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120160 in iproute (main) ""ip rule add from all" fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120160
[09:16] <dholbach> thekorn: Pushed up to revision 29.
[09:16] <persia> coNP: The "Assignee" field.
[09:16] <dholbach> thekorn: thanks for letting me know
[09:16] <coNP> so if I am triaging it I should set the Hugger column to me?
[09:16] <coNP> in the wiki?
[09:17] <thekorn> thank you!
[09:17] <coNP> or is it automatic?
[09:17] <persia> coNP: It's not automatic.  I'd set it like that.
[09:17] <coNP> Okay, thanks :)
[09:20] <coNP> okay that is too much overhead :)
[09:20] <coNP> I might fix the wiki after triaging some bugs
[09:25] <coNP> non-trivial feature requests should be confirmed or rejected (a/o marked wishlist) while pointing the user to featurespecs?
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120161 in kdelibs (main) "Lo lamento peeeeero..., no hablo ingls." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120161
[09:25] <encompass> happy bug day... how do I contribute?
[09:25] <dholbach> encompass: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070613 might be a good start
[09:26] <dholbach> encompass: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay
[09:26] <encompass> but how do I actually "triage a bug"
[09:26] <encompass> don't know that second link
[09:26] <encompass> looking now
[09:26] <dholbach> encompass: if you didn't read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs it might help you getting started with that
[09:27] <Hobbsee> too many
[09:27] <encompass> Hobbsee: yes, I have to work with it in finland
[09:27] <encompass> I speak only english
[09:28] <Hobbsee> btu you'd have to write teh compilers and everything to do french, etc, too...
[09:28] <minghua> Hobbsee: oh yes they do
[09:28] <dholbach> gnome-translate FTW
[09:28] <Hobbsee> fun :)
[09:28] <encompass> what exactly is triaging?
[09:28] <persia> Hobbsee: For some languages it's easier.  C has few reserved words that are properly English, for example.
[09:29] <coNP> encompass: that is the act of killing bugs in a proper way without causing any unneeded pain to the software users and developers
[09:29] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[09:29] <encompass> funny bug... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lowmem/+bug/53702
[09:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 53702 in lowmem "edgy alt installer low memory error wording 'rude'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[09:30] <encompass> how would I go about solving that bug?  or at least confirming or regecting it...
[09:30] <minghua> Hmm, I thought I understand triaging, but I'm not so sure now after reading coNP's explanation to encompass :-(
[09:31] <encompass> minghua: I am presuming that pain is relative. :)
[09:31] <coNP> encompass: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[09:32] <crimsun> depends on the person, I suppose.  Triage to me means "drowning".
[09:37] <encompass> Admiral_Chicago: you have got some BIG arms dude
[09:37] <Admiral_Chicago> i've been working out...
[09:38] <Admiral_Chicago> i think writing clue files is in order...
[09:39] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't know where i would begin, probably finding all packages with apport crashes, working from there
[09:39] <Admiral_Chicago> BugMaN: now thats a nick!
[09:40] <BugMaN> hi :-)
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120162 in eog (main) "Unable to click and drag picture with mouse - regression." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120162
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120163 in Ubuntu "extremely slow log on with serial-usb bridge " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120163
[09:59] <Admiral_Chicago> if anyone comes across bug reports in French, you can assign them to me if you want them translated
[09:59] <Admiral_Chicago> i know we generall accept bugs only in English but the option is there for whomever wants
[10:00] <minghua> the main difficulty of dealing with non-English reports, for me, is recognizing which language it's in
[10:01] <coNP> is there a tag for this?
[10:01] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm not to good with eastern european languages but the Romantic languages I'm good at...
[10:02] <Admiral_Chicago> coNP: afaik, no, i'm just voluntering myself
[10:03] <coNP> What about taggin them so that language experts only have to dig themselves through these reports and translate them?
[10:03] <minghua> now that coNP is mentioning it, I think tagging is a wonderful idea, as long as the tag is consistent
[10:07] <Kmos> bug 3222
[10:07] <Kmos> someone can check this out ?
[10:07] <coNP> bug #3222
[10:07] <coNP> hey, wake up ubotu
[10:07] <Kmos> coNP: the # isn't needed
[10:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 3222 in vim "gvim is hidden in menu" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3222
[10:07] <coNP> yep I realized, therefore this "wake up" line :)
[10:07] <Kmos> this bug is fixed here at my feisty with latest updates
[10:07] <Kmos> but someone there say it isn't
[10:07] <coNP> Kmos: I check this
[10:07] <coNP> Kmos: I have gvim in applications/accessories
[10:07] <Kmos> me too
[10:07] <BugMaN> i don't have gvim in menu
[10:07] <Kmos> comment the bug :)
[10:07] <coNP> BugMaN: did you install it? :)
[10:08] <Kmos> BugMaN: do you have vim-gnome installed ?
[10:08] <Admiral_Chicago> if its not reproduceable, its not a bug
[10:08] <BugMaN> coNP: yes
[10:08] <coNP> BugMaN: latest feisty?
[10:08] <BugMaN> coNP: yes
[10:08] <Kmos> BugMaN: do you have vim-gnome installed ?
[10:09] <BugMaN> Kmos: yes
[10:09] <coNP> I removed it and install through add/remove apps
[10:09] <Kmos> strange
[10:10] <persia> BugMaN: If you edit your menu, is there an option to enable vim-gnome?
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120164 in gnomesword (universe) "Gnome Sword crashed (dup-of: 118763)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120164
[10:11] <BugMaN> persia: i try to edit
[10:11] <BugMaN> persia: with alacarte?
[10:11] <persia> BugMaN: system...preferences...main menu
[10:11] <coNP> gvim appears suddenly
[10:12] <BugMaN> persia: yes vim is present in accessories
I might close the bug with: okay, people, let us use emacs instead...</troll>
[10:12] <minghua> I don't have feisty here, but the changelog of vim shows that no menu entry is a deliberate choice
[10:12] <Kmos> coNP: hehe
[10:12] <BugMaN> persia: emacs is present
[10:12] <dholbach> bdmurray: what do you think about tagging bugs as 'german', 'spanish', etc - so people who are bilingual can help with translating?
[10:13] <Kmos> persia: i've set that bug to the blueprint
[10:13] <coNP> dholbach: I would recommend a kind of non-english tag since there are not as many foreign bugs on the one hand and there can be unexpected rare languages hard to identify
[10:13] <coNP> that would be easier if had one list to go through (and translate the ones I recognize)
[10:14] <dholbach> hm
[10:14] <Kmos> how about a message in +filebug saying.. "Please only write English Reports!"
[10:14] <Kmos> :)
[10:14] <persia> Kmos: Opposite way around: the bug exists because of the implementation of the blueprint (if I am correct), and should be rejected with an explanation of how to enable the .desktop file.  There's certainly nothing else that needs doing for gvim.
[10:14] <persia> Kmos: Not everyone can write in English.
[10:14] <Kmos> persia: that ones doesn't report bugs and can't help developers..
[10:14] <Kmos> :)
[10:15] <Kmos> persia: can you close the bug? i've done it one time, and Sitsofe Wheeler re-opened it!
[10:15] <coNP> What about easy-to-recognize :) german / french / spanish tags _and_  a kind of "unidentified flying language" tag...
[10:15] <persia> Kmos: No, the bugs just need translation (or a developer who can read that language).
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120165 in evolution (main) "Evolution 2.11.2 Preview Message box + Password Box unresponsive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120165
[10:15] <Kmos> coNP: portuguese :)
[10:15] <Kmos> heh
[10:16] <coNP> sorry
[10:16] <coNP> s/german \/ french \/ spanish/with a list of your favorite languages/g
[10:16] <Kmos> minghua: isn't one of the most spoken
[10:16] <Kmos> like portuguese for example
[10:17] <minghua> How come?  At least one billion people speaks Chinese.
[10:17] <coNP> okay sorry no offense meant I was just sure that there are only a few Portuguese and Chinese and Hungarian and ... bugs and if we tag them separately it does not make a real sense. YMMV
[10:17] <persia> minghua: Chinese is still valid, just that the unidentified-flying-language queue would be for those languages where the triager cannot identify it.
[10:17] <Kmos> minghua: and how many countries?
[10:18] <coNP> persia: exactly the same meant
[10:18] <minghua> I was kidding, of course, no intention to start flamewars
[10:18] <Kmos> me too
[10:18] <Kmos> =)
[10:18] <persia> coNP: I disagree: I argue that every language should carry a tag until such time as it is translated into English (the common development language).
[10:18] <Kmos> we're here to contribute/discuss and find solutions for problems.
[10:18] <coNP> I would only apply a "to translate" tag.
[10:18] <minghua> Kmos: If counting Chinese people in other countries, all over the world.
[10:19] <coNP> And then bilingual triagers can quickly go through the list and translate what they can.
[10:19] <coNP> YMMV
[10:19] <Kmos> coNP: that's two tags
[10:19] <persia> coNP: I think "translation-needed" (or the like) is too general.  I can only translate from a handful of languages, and I assume that is true for others as well.
[10:19] <Kmos> "needs-translation"
[10:19] <minghua> persia: I don't have problem with that
[10:19] <coNP> I don't want to translate every bug in that queue only the ones I can
[10:20] <minghua> persia: If it's up to my decision, though, I'll decide on only one tag: non-english
[10:21] <coNP> for me needs-translation / to-translate sounds better, non-english does not imply that something is to be done with that bug
[10:21] <Kmos> :)
[10:21] <Kmos> coNP: exactly
[10:21] <Kmos> dholbach: "needs-translation", how about that ?
[10:22] <minghua> need- seems also common in existing tags, so I support need-translation as well
[10:23] <Admiral_Chicago> dholbach: i think its a great idea, make ubuntu more accessible...
[10:23] <dholbach> yeah why not... you just have to know from the bug title (in a bug list) that you know the bug's language - but I guess that's the case
[10:23] <Kmos> dholbach: exactly
[10:23] <coNP> where is the list of common tags?
[10:23] <Kmos> so that tag can be created in LP
[10:23] <coNP> may I append our new baby? :)
[10:23] <Kmos> and applied on wiki
[10:24] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Tags
[10:24] <Kmos> dholbach: can I add it ?
[10:24] <coNP> is it "need-translation" at the  end?
[10:25] <dholbach> Kmos: yes, with a short description
[10:25] <Kmos> dholbach: ok
[10:25] <dholbach> needs-translation please
[10:25] <dholbach> it's needs-packaging too
[10:25] <dholbach> it makes more sense than "need-translation", no?
[10:25] <coNP> okay I did it
[10:25] <dholbach> rock on
[10:25] <dholbach> I use this hug day to tag bugs as packaging, bitesize, upgrade
[10:26] <dholbach> and if I come across a non-english one, I'll tag it as needs-translation now
[10:26] <dholbach> go bug categorisation!
[10:26] <seb128> dholbach: non-english what?
[10:26] <dholbach> seb128: bugs
[10:27] <seb128> dholbach: just close them
[10:27] <dholbach> seb128: that way we can easier find translators who help us with cooperating
[10:27] <dholbach> seb128: do you close french bugs?
[10:27] <coNP> seb128: we apply a tag "needs-translation" and the let happy bug triagers translate them
[10:27] <coNP> Kmos: sorry I edited the wiki page :)
[10:28] <seb128> dholbach: I tend to
[10:28] <seb128> coNP: no, I don't want to depends of a translator to ask questions and get a reply
[10:28] <seb128> if the submitter is not able to use english is should use the support tracker
[10:28] <seb128> not the bug tracker
[10:28] <seb128> bugs describe a problems
[10:29] <seb128> we have enough of valid ones without trying to spends efforts to translate those not written in english
[10:29] <Kmos> coNP: :(
[10:29] <seb128> we already discussed that
[10:29] <seb128> bugs are there to help us making the distribution better
[10:29] <seb128> that's not user support
[10:30] <seb128> if we have to spend efforts to even understand the bug that's not useful
[10:30] <Kmos> seb128: so LP must be changed with about a message in +filebug saying.. "Please only write English Reports!"
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #120166 in 3270 (multiverse) "no iso8859-1 fonts after upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120166
[10:30] <Admiral_Chicago> is there a way to get the bughelper contents to dump to a file.
[10:31] <Admiral_Chicago> bughelper -p firefox > firefoxout.txt
[10:31] <Admiral_Chicago> ?
[10:31] <seb128> Kmos: I think there is a bug open on launchpad about that indeed
[10:31] <Kmos> seb128: nice
[10:31] <dholbach> Admiral_Chicago: either that or    --file <file>
[10:32] <seb128> not to mention to accept non-english bugs will give the impression to people they don't have to use english
[10:32] <Admiral_Chicago> cool thanks
[10:32] <Admiral_Chicago> i would have run that as a test but with so many bugs in fx, its kind of hard to play around and get the right information...
[10:32] <minghua> seb128: If that's an decision already made, I think it deserves a mail to -devel-announce
[10:33] <seb128> minghua: ?
[10:33] <seb128> minghua: it has always been like that
[10:33] <seb128> bugs are written in english
[10:33] <minghua> seb128: not accepting non-English bugs, ask them to use support tracker, etc.
[10:33] <coNP> What do to with bug #87348 ? Ask for a backtrace?
[10:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87348 in inkscape "crashed on login but was not started" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87348
[10:34] <minghua> seb128: Well, I didn't know that.  And judging from the discussion in the past hour, many people don't know either.
[10:34] <seb128> minghua: users don't read devel-announce and I expect bugsquad knowing that
[10:34] <Kmos> seb128: can you check bug 3222
[10:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 3222 in vim "gvim is hidden in menu" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3222
[10:35] <encompass> how do I find the bugs I have reported?
[10:35] <seb128> Kmos: what about it?
[10:35] <coNP> encompass: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~<yourname>/+reportedbugs
[10:35] <minghua> seb128: I've been hanging around for about one year and even translated / asked for translation a few bugs, today is the first time I heard about this position
[10:35] <seb128> encompass: launchpad.net/~userid/+reportbugs
[10:35] <minghua> seb128: I'm not a member of bugsquad though
[10:35] <seb128> encompass: launchpad.net/~userid/+reportedbugs
[10:41] <Kmos> seb128: It works here fine, and some people doesn't
[10:41] <Kmos> it's a very strange thing
[10:41] <seb128> minghua: well, if you want to bother translation bugs go for it, we don't want tags or an official infrastructure which indicates writting bugs not in english is supported
[10:41] <minghua> And by a mail to -devel-announce, I meant letting the developers know, not letting the users know (that's LP +filebugs page's job)
[10:41] <seb128> developers known
[10:41] <seb128> if some want to accept non english bugs they are free
[10:41] <seb128> usually we have enough to do without those though
[10:41] <minghua> seb128: I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just telling you I didn't know this, and I think there are other developers like me
[10:41] <seb128> minghua: writting an announce mail would be forcing a position which I'm not wanting to do
[10:41] <seb128> you are free to accept non english bugs on your packages
[10:41] <seb128> we don't for most of the distro though because maintainers have enough to do and we don't want to encourage non english bugs
[10:41] <seb128> that means extra work
[10:41] <minghua> seb128: and I'm free to reject non-english bugs of packages I don't maintain?
[10:41] <seb128> and if people don't know english it's likely they are not technically skilled enough to reply to bug questions and should rather use support tracker
[10:41] <encompass> could someone take a look at this bug?
[10:41] <seb128> minghua: yes
[10:41] <encompass> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnomebaker/+bug/40263
[10:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 40263 in gnomebaker "Copy audio CD... ejects and eats cd before empty is place in drive." [Medium,Unconfirmed] 
[10:41] <minghua> seb128: okay, thanks for clarification
[10:41] <coNP> What about bug #87348 ? Ask for a backtrace?
[10:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87348 in inkscape "crashed on login but was not started" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87348
[10:41] <encompass> I don't have that kind of drive anymore so I can't chekc it.
[10:41] <seb128> minghua: or Needs Info it and ask for an english description if you prefer
[10:41] <minghua> seb128: For my package, sure; for others, without an official tag I won't bother (anymore).
[10:41] <seb128> coNP: ask for a backtrace and details of what happened exactly, what he was doing, etc
[10:41] <coNP> thanks seb128
[10:41] <encompass> This one, I swear is ready to be confirmed... but it hasn't, kind of a quirky bug...
[10:41] <encompass> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/79351
[10:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 79351 in nautilus "clicking on a file makes it disappear (like it was deleted)" [Low,Unconfirmed] 
[10:42] <Kmos> bug 99150
[10:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99150 in avahi "Feisty beta can't install avahi-daemon on partial upgrade" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99150
[10:42] <seb128> encompass: can you reproduce it with the described steps? in which case you can confirm it
[10:43] <coNP> minghua: are you from China?
[10:44] <minghua> coNP: Yes.  I am living in US now, though.
[10:44] <coNP> Can you please have a look at bug 63770? I don't have to necessary Chinese fonts installed.
[10:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 63770 in inkscape "Inkscape cannot render Chinese text in bold or italic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63770
[10:44] <seb128> encompass: for #40263 I'm not sure of what you can ask, would require to be debugged by somebody getting the bug, might be interesting to know if that happens only with gnomebaker or also when ejecting a CD from nautilus, etc
[10:44] <coNP> I would really appreciate this...
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #120168 in kvirc (universe) "KVIrc halts shutdown " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120168
[10:46] <minghua> coNP: Sorry, I am not in Ubuntu now.  But that description sounds about right, I don't see what the problem is though.
[10:51] <encompass> seb128: it only happend with gnomebaker
[10:51] <coNP> thanks minghua, anyway
[10:51] <encompass> I have user nautilus cd burner too, and no issues, same with eject from the command line
[10:54] <encompass> what about this bug #79351 I will check now if the error occures in feisty too...
[10:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 79351 in nautilus "clicking on a file makes it disappear (like it was deleted)" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79351
[10:58] <encompass> seb128: bug 79351 has been resolved with the release of feisty...  can we get rid of it now?
[10:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 79351 in nautilus "clicking on a file makes it disappear (like it was deleted)" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79351
[10:58] <seb128> encompass: sure, close it as Fix Released with a comment it's fixed
[11:01] <coNP> what do do with inkscape dapper bugs?
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #120169 in Ubuntu "xubuntu feisty install from cd fails because auto remount of target devices" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120169
[11:01] <coNP> bug 120159 seems to be fixed in feisty/gutsy but dapper is still LTS
[11:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120159 in inkscape "matplotlib svg displays incorrectly" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120159
[11:02] <seb128> coNP: if they are fixed close them
[11:02] <coNP> seb128: no matter dapper is LTS?
[11:02] <seb128> bugs are closed when fixed
[11:03] <seb128> if we need a backport we open a dapper task
[11:04] <seb128> 120159 has no duplicate and is not a security issue or an important bug affecting many users
[11:04] <seb128> not likely a candidate for a stable update
[11:15] <coNP> seb128: sure
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120170 in Ubuntu "gnome .thumbnail recoursion problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120170
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120171 in Ubuntu "make gnome search popup more intelligent" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120171
[11:24] <encompass> seb128: how do I mark a bug as "fixed release" ? I can't fine the link anywhere
[11:25] <seb128> encompass: click on the corresponding line in the table, it should expand the settings
[11:26] <seb128> the inskape bug has been closed
[11:26] <coNP> seb128: which one?
[11:27] <seb128> coNP: ups, I mixed bug, he was speaking about a nautilus one ;)
[11:27] <coNP> okay just because I want to kill each untriaged inkscape bug now
[11:33] <encompass> seb128: I feel like an idiot... because I can't find the feature on the right
[11:33] <seb128> what feature?
[11:33] <encompass> seb128: marking a bug as "fix release"  I am new to this
[11:34] <seb128> encompass: do you get the setting if you click on task?
[11:34] <seb128> maybe you don't have the permission to close a bug
[11:34] <seb128> dholbach: what team membership is required for that?
[11:34] <dholbach> none
[11:35] <encompass> seb128: I don't think I do
[11:35] <encompass> I create the bug, but it won't let me
[11:35] <seb128> ?
[11:35] <seb128> what happens when you click on the bug task in the table at the top of the page?
[11:36] <encompass> seb128: hehe
[11:36] <encompass> seb128: oh nifty
[11:36] <encompass> seb128: that fixed it
[11:36] <seb128> ;)
[11:38] <encompass> yippee!  I feel so useful!
[11:40] <seb128> encompass: bug closed it looks like, well done ;)
[11:46] <encompass> anyone here with a dual monitor setup?  this but needs to be check if there is a fix.  I don't have dual monitor anymore. :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/xorg/+bug/71869
[11:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 71869 in xorg "Coming from locked screen shows password prompt in the middle of the two..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[12:00] <encompass> where can we see the stats of the bugs being fixed and stuff over time?
[12:01] <dholbach> encompass: http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/
[12:01] <encompass> dholbach: thanks
[12:08] <ubotu> New bug: #120174 in iproute (main) "iproute2 route flush hangs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120174
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120175 in Ubuntu "wammu cannot import wx (doesn't start)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120175
[12:15] <pochu> Happy Hug Day!!
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120176 in openssh (main) "ssh client does not connect to ssh servers" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120176
[12:30] <pochu> mvo: do you remember the update-manager hang I talked about? You were right, it was gksu. Deleting ~/.gksu-lock (or something like that) solved it :)
[12:34] <mvo> pochu: good, thanks. if there is a bugreport already, could you please add this information there?
[12:35] <pochu> I don't know whether there is one, but let me see.
[12:35] <pochu> coNP: somebody removed your needs-translation tag. Do you know whether he had a reason to do it?
[12:40] <coNP> hey pochu
[12:40] <coNP> yep we agreed here that it is a good idea
[12:40] <coNP> however seb128 pointed out why it isn't
[12:40] <coNP> hence it has been removed
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120177 in multipath-tools (main) "dm-multipath not autoloaded causes multipath to fail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120177
[12:43] <pochu> coNP: Ok.
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120178 in deb822 (universe) "Merge deb822-0.3 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120178
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120179 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "kernel bug at fs/ext3//namei.c:384" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120179
[01:08] <coNP> do you think Bug #117725 is a real bug? I think it is only some resolution / configuration issue
[01:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117725 in inkscape "Fonts screwed up when importing SVG from Dia" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117725
[01:09] <coNP> in fact there is nothing to fix, it is only that the user should use zoom / resize
[01:11] <ubotu> New bug: #120180 in Ubuntu "Continuous Mouse Movement In the Second Screen Can not stop Screensaver from starting." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120180
[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120181 in Ubuntu "After start firefox in the Second Screen, firefox refuse to start in the main screen if it is still opened in the second screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120181
[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120182 in missinglib (universe) "Please sync missinglib (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120182
[01:16] <coNP> ladies and gentlemen no untriaged bugs in inkscape at this moment
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120183 in gnome-terminal (main) "terminal in vi editor- the arrow keys dont offer to move in the program they infact enter some dummy characters" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120183
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120185 in rhythmbox (main) "cover art download problem (loop?)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120185
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120187 in Ubuntu "kubuntu crashed on install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120187
[01:56] <ubotu> New bug: #120186 in avahi (main) "network unavailable where .local domain is used" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120186
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #120188 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu Feisty doesn't accept any CDs!!!!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120188
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #120189 in scim-prime (universe) "Please sync scim-prime 1.0.0-3 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120189
[02:10] <rulus> I wonder how this guy of bug #120188 installed Ubuntu.. I bet via the cd :)
[02:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120188 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu Feisty doesn't accept any CDs!!!!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120188
[02:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120190 in scim-canna (universe) "Please sync scim-canna 1.0.0-2 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120190
[02:31] <ubotu> New bug: #120191 in scim-skk (universe) "Please sync scim-skk 0.5.2-4 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120191
[02:41] <ubotu> New bug: #120193 in firefox (main) "x-window system crash after closing firefox tab with middle click on tab" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120193
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #120194 in refocus (main) "Plugin don't work (crash)" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120194
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120195 in Ubuntu "installer crashes at configure mythtv" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120195
[03:08] <ubotu> New bug: #120196 in gnash (universe) "gnash won't install in gutsy 64bit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120196
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120199 in ntp (main) "ntp daemon not reconfigured by /etc/network" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120199
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120200 in Ubuntu "[package-request]  Sysadmin-Frontend GUIs (Webmin/Usermin/AIOCP)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120200
[03:48] <bdmurray> dholbach: that sounds good
[03:48] <dholbach> bdmurray: seb128 had some reservations
[03:48] <seb128> dholbach: about?
[03:48] <dholbach> seb128: needs-translation
[03:48] <seb128> I thought we agreed it was not a good idea ;)
[03:50] <dholbach> seb128: I asked bdmurray before you turned up - he was just going through his backlog
[03:50] <seb128> ok
[03:50] <seb128> so let's say I not only have some reservations, I think it's not a good idea at all rather ;)
[03:50] <ranf> !info deb822
[03:51] <ubotu> Package deb822 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:55] <persia> !info python-deb822
[03:55] <ubotu> python-deb822: Read and manipulate RFC822-like files (e.g. .dsc and .changes). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 76 kB
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120201 in Ubuntu "Printing problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120201
[04:06] <ranf> persia, thanks.
[04:09] <persia> ranf: ubotu only has info on binaries.  apt-cache search is your friend :)
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #120203 in cups-pdf (universe) "Please sync cups-pdf (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120203
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120205 in debian-installer (main) "student" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120205
[04:48] <bdmurray> good morning
[04:52] <Hobbsee> hiya bdmurray!
[04:52] <bdmurray> heya Hobbsee!
[04:52] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:53] <bdmurray> I wonder if the bugs can drop under 30,000
[04:53] <Hobbsee> i wish!
[04:54] <bdmurray> It isn't that far off
[04:54] <bdmurray> ~150 bugs
[04:54] <seb128> bdmurray: how many to tackle for that? ;)
[04:54] <seb128> oh, that should be doable
[04:55] <bdmurray> I'd think so.  I'm willing to give it a go.
[05:00] <bdmurray> 1 down
[05:03] <bdmurray> dholbach: would 93894 classify as bitesize ?
[05:04] <dholbach> bug 93894
[05:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 93894 in dvdrip "icon for dvdrip missing in KDE" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93894
[05:04] <dholbach> yeah, good idea
[05:06] <bdmurray> dholbach: How do you determine if a bug is bitesize?
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120207 in firefox (main) "Crash during firefox use" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120207
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120208 in kdesdk (main) "umbrello 1.5.6 using 99% of CPU on Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120208
[05:06] <persia> Did the annoying discrepancy between f.d.o and KDE icon standards (/usr/share/pixmaps vs. /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps) ever get resolved?  If not, fixing that will likely break GNOME.
[05:09] <bdmurray> persia: what do you mean?
[05:09] <dholbach> bdmurray: not really easy to determine, I can just judge by my own experience... changing strings here and there, adding a desktop file, stuff like that is usually easy and good to start with
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120209 in Ubuntu "MgOpen Cosmetica font misses one important German character" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120209
[05:10] <persia> bdmurray: As I understand it, if work based on the last comment to 93894 is performed, the icon won't appear in GNOME.
[05:12] <bdmurray> persia: What I read in the last comment was adding a PNG would work around the issue.  Is that what you read?
[05:12] <bdmurray> dholbach: would bug 97509 need forwarding upstream or be bitesize
[05:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 97509 in ifupdown "man for interfaces has incorrect examples location" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97509
[05:13] <dholbach> bdmurray: probably both
[05:13] <bdmurray> dholbach: heh
[05:15] <persia> bdmurray: Ideally, the icon would just be a bare name, no directory, and no extension.  Adding a png as well as the svg (or likely even an xpm) would be a workaround for the KDE bug about SVG themes, but it still doesn't address the "standard" icon loading directory.  Anyway, I care about this, so I'll mark it as one of my mentor bugs and work with the person who fixes it.
[05:17] <bdmurray> okay, thanks persia
[05:18] <persia> bdmurray: Feel free to subscribe me to any icon/.desktop file bugs - it's one of my larger interests.  Also, tagging these with "desktop-file" helps others working on the menus / icons to catch them and prepare patches.
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120212 in kde-style-polyester (main) "Please sync kde-style-polyester (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120212
[05:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117256 in Ubuntu "Thats What She Said!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117256
[05:36] <ubotu> New bug: #120213 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] gmusicbrowser missing in repositories" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120213
[05:38] <bdmurray> yeah, that bug seems improbable
[05:40] <xerosis> bdmurray: i sent you an email about QA for bugday
[05:40] <seb128> dholbach: close it ;)
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #120214 in gnome-vfs-obexftp (universe) "Faulty reporting of free space with Sony Ericsson z710" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120214
[05:42] <bdmurray> xerosis: okay, I'm still wading through e-mail
[05:42] <xerosis> bdmurray: no problem :)
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #120215 in rhythmbox (main) "Fehler beim Speichern der Titelinformationen - error saving title information" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120215
[05:49] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: i found recruits :D
[05:51] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: convinced amarok upstream that htey were welcome to touch our buglist at will, as most were their bugs, as we try nto to modify their stuff.
[05:52] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: very cool
[05:52] <Hobbsee> indeed!  :)
[05:52] <Hobbsee> yay for good relations with upstream
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120216 in upgrade-system (universe) "Upgradeing from 6.10 ubuntu to 7.4 fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120216
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #120217 in casper "Driver Updates not being installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120217
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #120218 in xorg-driver-synaptics (main) "Two-finger tap for right-click should be used by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120218
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #120219 in Ubuntu "Wish: enable full ZFS support in Gutsy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120219
[06:06] <bryce_> morningh
[06:16] <ubotu> New bug: #120220 in nautilus (main) ""Connect to server" have minimal dialogues - Needs to communicate more" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120220
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #120221 in update-manager (main) "upgrade tool crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120221
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #120172 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "SKB BUG" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120172
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #120222 in alsa-driver (main) "Sound Blaster (D) X-Fi XtremeMusic Not Recognised" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120222
[06:32] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: 18 amarok bugs now killed, or being worked on.
[06:34] <Hobbsee> !bugstats
[06:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bugstats - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:35] <Pierre> keescook: merci (gd :)
[06:35] <fdoving> Hobbsee: great initiative with amarok upstream. pointystick++ :)
[06:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:35] <Hobbsee> 19
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120223 in firefox (main) "Flash player/plugin and dvd movies will not work on feisty fawn and amd64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120223
[06:35] <Hobbsee> http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/
[06:35] <Hobbsee> fdoving: yeah, seemed to work :)
[06:35] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: the stats are slow for me at the moment
[06:37] <Hobbsee> !responses
[06:37] <ubotu> response is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #111599 in amarok (main) "could not launch KDE Help Center: (dup-of: 60475)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111599
[06:45] <keescook> Pierre: thank you!  :)
[06:45] <Pierre> keescook: :)
[06:45] <Hobbsee> hiya keescook
[06:46] <Pierre> keescook: about the other patches I sent to debian, one has to wait a bit, gdImageFilledArc/Arc
[06:46] <keescook> hiya Hobbsee!
[06:46] <Hobbsee> keescook: a friend of mine says thanks for the xscreensaver update, btw
[06:46] <bryyce> someone actually uses xscreensaver?  ;-)
[06:46] <Pierre> keescook: the patch is valid but it introduces a regressions for edge cases like passing 270 and 630 as angles
[06:47] <Hobbsee> bryyce: :P
[06:48] <bryyce> bdmurray: so for bug hug day, am I gathering correctly that we are triaging bugs in the generic Ubuntu product?
[06:48] <bdmurray> !info kdescreensaver-aasaver
[06:48] <ubotu> kdescreensaver-aasaver: KDE Asciiquarium screensaver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.2-2 (feisty), package size 44 kB, installed size 176 kB
[06:48] <bdmurray> ^- that's what I use
[06:48] <bdmurray> bryyce: a sampling of bugs are listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070613
[06:49] <keescook> Hobbsee: do they use xscreensaver in a network-auth environment?
[06:50] <bryyce> bdmurray: cool thanks
[06:50] <bryyce> think I'll pop over to my laptop
[06:50] <Hobbsee> keescook: dunno.  doubt it
[06:50] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: tha'ts fun.  i half-packaged tha tone for ubuntu :)
[06:50] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: my kids like the shark eating the fish
[06:52] <Hobbsee> :D yep
[06:52] <Hobbsee> i love pages like
[06:52] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs
[06:55] <bdmurray> only about 140 more to go to reach 30,000
[06:57] <Hobbsee> woo :)
[06:57] <Hobbsee> i think someone's filing more bugs
[06:57] <Hobbsee> but the bug count apperas to be dropping, from the stats
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120225 in gaphor (universe) "gaphor gives segmentation fault on ubuntu feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120225
[07:09] <bdmurray> bryyce: I just noticed that the ubuntu-x-swat doesn't have any assigned packages
[07:10] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: bug count is dropping :)
[07:10] <Hobbsee> [03:09]  <bdmurray> bryyce: I just noticed that the ubuntu-x-swat doesn't have any assigned packages
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #120226 in endeavour (universe) "Merge endeavour 2.8.1-3 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120226
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #120227 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "rt2500-based network card not assigned network interface" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120227
[07:13] <brycer> Hobbsee, hmm, I'm not sure they get assigned to 'ubuntu-x-swat'
[07:14] <brycer> wait
[07:14] <brycer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+packagebugs
[07:14] <bdmurray> wow, that's a lot of packages
[07:15] <fdoving> Hobbsee: what do you think about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/25059 ?
[07:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 25059 in kde-systemsettings "Non-standard button order" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[07:16] <fdoving> i can make a diff if you want it.
[07:16] <brycer> I made a script to show the merge status of all the packages: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/versions_current.html
[07:17] <Hobbsee> fdoving: um...send it past seele, but every time we make a button change like that, god adds 1000 bugs to malone.
[07:17] <Hobbsee> (think of the bugsquad!)
[07:18] <Hobbsee> fdoving: how many releases have we had it changed for, and what does the rest of dke seem to use?
[07:18] <Hobbsee> fdoving: makes more sense for the OK button to be on the outside, as per fitt's law, though, so i'm inclined not to change it back for two reasons.
[07:18] <Hobbsee> fdoving: also, i'd check how kde4 handles it
[07:19] <fdoving> in for example konqueror, it's OK, Apply, Cancel.
[07:20] <fdoving> kcontrol uses Apply, Reset, system settings uses Reset, Apply.
[07:21] <fdoving> i'll make a diff anyway. i want it for myself. i'll attach it to the bug, take it or leave it :)
[07:21] <Hobbsee> fdoving: bug seele about it, then.
[07:21] <Hobbsee> fdoving: see what her opinion is
[07:22] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i dont want to screw around what our users are used to - i hate work doing that to me
[07:22] <Hobbsee> our new system has been in at least a year, and i *still* hit the wrong button, as i'm used to wher it used to be.
[07:22] <Hobbsee> (they swapped OK and cancel, so OK was no longer in the top right hand corner)
[07:23] <fdoving> well, whatever they order, it should be the same in most apps imho.
[07:23] <fdoving>  /they/the
[07:23] <Hobbsee> exactly
[07:24] <Hobbsee> hence, wondering how kde4 handles it, and/or if they know it's an issue
[07:24] <fdoving> and systemsettings is the one that doesn't follow KDE.
[07:24] <Hobbsee> right
[07:24] <Hobbsee> i wonder why they changed it
[07:32] <bdmurray> with gutsy isn't there a new / different kernel package for restricted modules?
[07:34] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: than feisty?
[07:34] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120228 in qt4-x11 (main) "Tablet support isn't build in Qt4 " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120228
[07:37] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: ponders what?
[07:39] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: why I would have thought that
[07:39] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: it's the crack finally getting to you.  put *down* the crack pipe
[07:39] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: either that or too many bugs
[07:40] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:40] <Hobbsee> "drinking from the crack pipe...er, the firehose"
[07:40] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: don't go anywhere though I'll figure it out
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120229 in xenman (universe) "unable to start at 8 bit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120229
[07:42] <calc> hello
[07:42] <bdmurray> !info linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22
[07:42] <ubotu> Package linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:43] <calc> i'm interested in doing #33594 if no one else is working on it
[07:43] <keescook> we'll never find the right package if people can't spell "nvidia".  ;)  bug 117797
[07:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117797 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "Nvida driver does not work with latest update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117797
[07:43] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-6-generic
[07:43] <Hobbsee> linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-6-generic | 2.6.22-6.11 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au gutsy/main Packages
[07:43] <Hobbsee> linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-6-generic | 2.6.22-6.11 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages
[07:43] <Hobbsee> linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 | 2.6.22-6.11 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au gutsy/main Sources
[07:43] <Hobbsee> linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 | 2.6.22-6.11 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Sources
[07:43] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: exists ^
[07:43] <Hobbsee> keescook: haha
[07:43] <keescook> calc: go for it!  let us know if you need any help.  :)
[07:43] <Hobbsee> hi calc
[07:44] <Hobbsee> die bugs, die!
[07:44] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: that's the package I was thinking of
[07:44] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:44] <calc> as the desktop file fails validation i guess it would help to run the validator against a lot other desktop files as well?
[07:45] <keescook> calc: probably wouldn't hurt; I wonder how many new bugs this will discover...
[07:45] <calc> hehe
[07:45] <calc> maybe i should put that down on the todo list and get more bugs closed than opened ;)
[07:46] <bdmurray> calc: that would be ideal
[07:46] <persia> calc: If you do that, don't open bugs for them all.  There's been three goes at it before, and someone always complains it's too many bugs.  Send patches upstream, or to debian, or to us, but only create a bug if there is a patch.
[07:46] <Hobbsee> calc: for every bug you open, excluding sync requests, you must close 2.  it's an unofficiial rule.
[07:47] <calc> Hobbsee: ah ok, i've only opened one this week so far ;)
[07:47] <calc> but i need to close a lot so someone will sponsor me for motu ;)
[07:48] <calc> unfortunately the bug i opened has been known upstream for ~ 5 years without being fixed
[07:49] <Hobbsee> how will youget sponsored for MOTU by bugwork?
[07:49] <Hobbsee> oh, if you close a bug
[07:49] <Hobbsee> well, provide a patch
[07:50] <calc> well between that and my upstream debian work, etc
[07:50] <persia> calc: If you close lots of bugs, you're all set.  patches help.
[07:50] <calc> most of the packages (all?) for debian are in ubuntu main though so i need to do bug work for motu first :)
[07:52] <Hobbsee> shouldnt be hard to get motu/core if you're a DD
[07:54] <keescook> bdmurray: what's the convention for the bugday wiki, irc name or wiki name?
[07:55] <Hobbsee> 4am.
[07:55] <pochu> keescook: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120233 in Ubuntu "Compiz Crashes on ReBoot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120233
[07:56] <brycer> bdmurray, ok 42607 still sounds legit, I've added some questions for it
[07:56] <keescook> pochu: right, I meant, when filling in my "name" for a finished bug, which style name should I use?  "keescook" (IRC nick) or "KeesCook" (wiki name).  I see both in the list currently.
[07:59] <pochu> keescook: Oh, sorry for misunderstanding :)
[07:59] <bdmurray> keescook: don't forget launchapd name
[07:59] <calc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/83070 <- is this really a "bug" or a misuse of the system?
[07:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 83070 in Ubuntu "incorrect behavior fat32 partition" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[08:00] <bdmurray> bug 42607
[08:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 42607 in xserver-xorg-video-via "Ubuntu Dapper on VIA EPIA-MS with LVDS; no video after installation" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42607
[08:00] <calc> the user hibernates on linux boots into windows, does some stuff, resumes linux and doesn't see files made under windows
[08:00] <bdmurray> keescook: I'd go with wiki name so it links to your wiki page however I probably have not done that.
[08:00] <calc> afaict that is not really a bug per say
[08:01] <persia> calc: Needs information.  If the FAT partition is not a system partition, it's a bug.
[08:01] <persia> (e.g. local disk used to transfer data between systems)
[08:01] <calc> persia: ah so when linux hibernates/resumes it unmount/remounts the other fs?
[08:01] <keescook> calc: oooh, owch, yeah, if they had it mounted under linux and suspended, that's a misuse.  icky.  I think that sounds like something to reject.  bdmurray?
[08:02] <persia> calc: I don't think it does, but I think (and need information to be sure) that's what the submitter wishes it did.
[08:02] <keescook> persia: do non-system partitions get umounted during a suspend?
[08:03] <persia> keescook: I think only "removable" devices get cleaned during suspend (USB, 1394), but I'm not 100% sure.
[08:04] <calc> i don't see any calls to mount/umount under /etc/acpi
[08:04] <bdmurray> keescook: I'm undecided on that one
[08:05] <persia> calc: MIght be - my laptop doesn't run Ubuntu, so my assumption may be flawed.
[08:05] <keescook> calc: I wouldn't expect any filesystems to umount when suspending/hibernating (imagine if you had an open file on that partition)
[08:05] <keescook> I think that should be rejected or at least changed to "wishlist"
[08:06] <calc> i don't even see where external devices umount/mount
[08:06] <calc> keescook: true
[08:06] <keescook> I think it's all hal magic.  :)
[08:06] <bdmurray> brycer: they responded to 42607 already
[08:06] <brycer> wow
[08:07] <calc> i'm marking it confirmed but i can't change the importance
[08:07] <persia> keescook: On my laptop, if I eject a storage card or remove a USB device while it is suspended, it recovers smoothly (perhaps with a page fault if reading data).
[08:07] <bdmurray> I think it is important to put bug 83070 somewhere though
[08:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 83070 in Ubuntu "incorrect behavior fat32 partition" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83070
[08:07] <bdmurray> i.e. with a package
[08:07] <brycer> bdmurray, since they no longer have the hardware, shall I close it as out of date?  I googled around to see if others had the same problem but found nothing relevant
[08:08] <bdmurray> brycer: if they don't have the hardware and we don't have all we need then closing it seems right to me
[08:09] <brycer> okie dokie
[08:09] <bdmurray> I mean it isn't going to go anywhere.
[08:09] <brycer> right
[08:10] <bdmurray> keescook: so you think that bug should be about hal?
[08:10] <calc> oh yea that bug isn't attached to anything should i move it to acpi-support?
[08:10] <keescook> bdmurray: that may not be its final resting place, but I think it's a good start
[08:10] <brycer> those VIA EPIA's aren't terribly well supported in general, so corner cases like this are unlikely to get much attention from upstream
[08:10] <keescook> hal or acpi-support
[08:12] <bdmurray> calc: I set it to wishlist for you
[08:12] <calc> bdmurray: ok
[08:13] <calc> yipee my first bug triaged, lol
[08:13] <brycer> calc, congrats!  :-)
[08:13] <keescook> \o/
[08:14] <keescook> hiya Ari, ssam.  wanna help out with bugday?
[08:15] <ssam> keescook, i want to help every day
[08:15] <ssam> hows it going?
[08:15] <keescook> ssam: cool.  :)
[08:15] <keescook> we're making progress
[08:17] <bdmurray> ~130 to go to drop below 30k
[08:17] <keescook> bdmurray: nice
[08:19] <bdmurray> maybe we should like for a package that could use some consolidation
[08:19] <calc> bug 117125  fixed
[08:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117125 in Ubuntu "The floppy light stays on, but the floppy does not work but it does spin" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117125
[08:19] <calc> er probably fixed that is ;)
[08:22] <calc> for bugs against eg 7.04 beta can i have the user test against the current gutsy cd?
[08:22] <calc> bug 107157  for example
[08:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107157 in Ubuntu "7.04 Beta fails to boot with splash screen (dup-of: 61711)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107157
[08:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 61711 in usplash "no boot splash and very slow booting" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61711
[08:25] <ssam> the stack traces for bug 85797 and bug 117528 look quite similar both have sp_repr_undo_log and sp_document_undo, should i mark them as dupes?
[08:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 85797 in inkscape "[apport]  inkscape crashed during undo" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85797
[08:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117528 in inkscape "I used Inkscape yesterday and got the crash popup today :(" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117528
[08:25] <bdmurray> keescook might now
[08:25] <bdmurray> know even
[08:26] <bdmurray> calc: Yes, or even testing with Feisty final.
[08:27] <calc> i noticed it was an unassigned dupe of another bug so i moved it over to assigned to same package, etc
[08:27] <bdmurray> I didn't read all of 61711 but I'm not sure it should really be a dupe
[08:27] <keescook> ssam: checking
[08:28] <keescook> ssam: yeah, I would mark 117528 a dup of 85797
[08:29] <ssam> keescook, thanks
[08:30] <bdmurray> keescook: looking at bug 103342 do you know why it wouldn't have a stack trace?
[08:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103342 in arts "[apport]  artsd crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103342
[08:33] <keescook> bdmurray: I don't -- I've been assuming those are a result of a corrupted coredump
[08:33] <keescook> the big clue for me is the lack of the "Disassembly.txt" attachment
[08:34] <Kmos> add to the topic https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070613
[08:34] <keescook> that usually means whatever is needed for the stacktrace is missing too
[08:35] <bdmurray> so there really isn't anything useful in it then?
[08:36] <keescook> not that I can see.  Maybe there are other artsd crashes it could be marked a dup of?
[08:36] <Kmos> please someone take a decision on bug 3222
[08:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 3222 in vim "gvim is hidden in menu" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3222
[08:36] <Kmos> it works here.. i've the gvim in gnome menu applications -> acessories
[08:36] <bdmurray> yeah, there are a fair number of artsd crash bugs
[08:37] <persia> Kmos: I couldn't find anything in the relevant spec to justify rejecting it, but I have the disabled gvim.desktop not showing in my menus locally, so I can confirm it.  I still don't think it should be fixed.
[08:37] <calc> probably will always crash, lol
[08:37] <Kmos> persia: strange thing.. why i've it in menu ?
[08:38] <bdmurray> calc: I've seen some where artsd crashed when I pressed Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[08:38] <persia> Kmos: Perhaps you have a different history with the menu management spec implementations than I?
[08:39] <calc> MMC cards aren't supported under linux, right? (i heard that somewhere before)
[08:39] <Kmos> persia: really don't know, if we have the same package
[08:40] <Kmos> calc: my laptop reader isn't supported :)
[08:40] <bdmurray> calc: depends on the reader rather than the card.  My desktop reader works fine my laptop reader has no driver
[08:40] <calc> ok
[08:40] <calc> i claim 111089
[08:41] <bdmurray> bug 53923 is about a Ti reader
[08:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 53923 in linux-source-2.6.20 "tifm: Texas Instruments Card reader not working" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/53923
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #120236 in Ubuntu "KDE - reboot PC "to Windows XP" does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120236
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #120237 in Ubuntu "crontab formatted incorrectly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120237
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #120238 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "status of battery of my laptop not shown" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120238
[08:41] <persia> Kmos: I have 1:7.1-000+1ubuntu1
[08:41] <Kmos> persia: vim-gnome ?
[08:42] <persia> Kmos: yep.
[08:42] <ubotu> New bug: #120234 in Ubuntu "can't go to internet with wifi and with linux under ubuntu feisty fawn 7.04. I'm french" [Wishlist,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120234
[08:42] <ubotu> New bug: #120235 in Ubuntu "aipc cauases kernel panic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120235
[08:42] <Kmos> 1:7.0-164+1ubuntu7
[08:42] <Kmos> i've this one
[08:43] <Kmos> kmos@bash:~$ dpkg -s vim-gnome
[08:43] <Kmos> Package: vim-gnome
[08:43] <Kmos> Status: install ok installed
[08:43] <Kmos> Priority: extra
[08:43] <Kmos> Section: editors
[08:43] <Kmos> Installed-Size: 1820
[08:43] <Kmos> Maintainer: Ubuntu Core Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
[08:43] <Kmos> Architecture: i386
[08:43] <Kmos> Source: vim
[08:43] <Kmos> Version: 1:7.0-164+1ubuntu7.1
[08:43] <Kmos> exactly, you've a newer version
[08:43] <Kmos> i'm i386
[08:43] <persia> Kmos: Yep - don't paste :)  I'm looking at the changelog.
[08:43] <Kmos> persia: sorry
[08:44] <calc> is there a standard list of things to get from a user for hardware support stuff?
[08:44] <calc> hwdb-xml -a output or something else?
[08:45] <Kmos> keescook: bug 99150
[08:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99150 in avahi "Feisty beta can't install avahi-daemon on partial upgrade" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99150
[08:45] <Kmos> keescook: do you know if this is fixed ?
[08:45] <bdmurray> calc check !responses
[08:45] <bdmurray> !responses
[08:45] <ubotu> response is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[08:45] <Kmos> i think pitti has done something
[08:45] <calc> ok thanks
[08:46] <bdmurray> usually 'lspci -vvnn' for the kernel team
[08:46] <persia> Kmos: Found it.  Reject as intentional.  Hidden by default since 1:6.4-006+2ubuntu1
[08:46] <bdmurray> keescook: I found an arts crash that says "Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?)"
[08:47] <Kmos> persia: give me the url of changelog
[08:49] <persia> Kmos: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/v/vim/vim_7.0-035+1ubuntu5.1/changelog is the first I found.  Please adjust the version to match that of the person who keeps reopening the bug.
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #120239 in alsa-utils (main) "amixer doesn't react on "toggle" (feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120239
[08:50] <Kmos> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/v/vim/vim_7.1-000+1ubuntu1/changelog
[08:50] <Kmos> i found it there
[08:50] <Kmos> and i show the changelog part of NoDisplay=True at .desktop
[08:51] <keescook> bdmurray: that sounds sound good, dup to that one.
[08:52] <keescook> Kmos: 99150> I have avahi running, so I assume so.  :)
[08:52] <Kmos> keescook: the problem is in the upgrade..
[08:53] <keescook> Kmos: reading...
[08:53] <Kmos> keescook: it's reported by me
[08:53] <Kmos> :)
[08:54] <Kmos> i've removed avahi without --purge
[08:54] <keescook> ah, i see.  yeah, I don't think it's fixed yet.  Perhaps Trent has not had time to fix it yet?
[08:54] <Kmos> so pitti checked that before feisty final and tell me he will do an update to some script
[08:55] <Kmos> keescook: don't know
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120240 in ajaxterm (universe) "not possible to login in both opera & konqueror" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120240
[08:56] <keescook> Kmos: feisty avahi is 0.6.17-0ubuntu3.  a huge amount of things were changed in debian since then (http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/avahi/current/changelog)
[08:56] <Kmos> keescook: let's check
[08:56] <keescook> Kmos: go for it.  :)
[08:57] <Kmos> i've subscribed slomo for the bug
[08:59] <keescook> brycer: 45418's wiki entry is busted
[08:59] <brycer> yeah just noticed... saving fix now
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120241 in gtk+2.0 (main) "libgtk2.0-dev should depend on libxcomposite-dev and libxdamage-dev ?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120241
[09:02] <pochu> slomo_: btw, libgtk 2.11.2 has been uploaded. Could you check the liferea's icon issue when you update it? :)
[09:03] <Kmos> bug 112414
[09:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112414 in Ubuntu "Error: Could not find service 'kfmclient' using Gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112414
[09:04] <Kmos> this is a nice one to check
[09:04] <Kmos> maybe to reject :)
[09:04] <calc> 5 down, 30K to go
[09:04] <brycer> 30,120
[09:05] <pochu> Kmos: or rather add the missing dependency ;)
[09:05] <calc> bug 111361  what should be done about this?
[09:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111361 in Ubuntu "SD memory card (/dev/sdf1) not recognised by gnome/feisty when inserted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111361
[09:05] <brycer> nice to see the definite drop off though:  http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/
[09:05] <calc> it seems that the card reader works it was just one of this cards didn't happen to work
[09:05] <calc> should i reject it?
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #120242 in synaptic (main) "[gutsy]  powertop reports nearly 1000 wakeups during a package update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120242
[09:06] <brycer> 100 bugs closed in 8 hrs :-)
[09:06] <Kmos> pochu: :)
[09:06] <brycer> so, what, 100 more bug hug days and we'll be done?  ;-)
[09:07] <calc> so any comments about rejecting bug 111361?
[09:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111361 in Ubuntu "SD memory card (/dev/sdf1) not recognised by gnome/feisty when inserted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111361
[09:08] <CMooney> I have beer and want to learn to hunt bugs.
[09:08] <brycer> heya CMooney welcome to the bug slaughter
[09:08] <CMooney> lol
[09:08] <CMooney> Do I just choose one from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070613
[09:08] <brycer> CMooney, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070613, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses/, and http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/
[09:09] <ssam> is there a way to speed up getting membership of the qa team?
[09:09] <brycer> yup, that's what I've been doing
[09:09] <CMooney> right
[09:09] <brycer> ssam, bring beer for bdmurray maybe? ;-)
[09:11] <bdmurray> calc: looking
[09:11] <calc> bdmurray: ok i was going to tell the user to format the card that doesn't happen to work and reject the bug as being unreproducible
[09:12] <calc> bdmurray: from the kernel log snippet it almost seems like the card is flaking out or bad
[09:13] <calc> bdmurray: it appears to have redetected the card twice within 0.08s
[09:13] <bdmurray> there is no indication as to the file system on the card
[09:14] <calc> bdmurray: so would telling the user to reformat their non-working card and reject the bug be ok?
[09:15] <bdmurray> calc: I don't really think so there may be something going on there and strictly speaking it isn't non-working right?  He can mount it manually.
[09:15] <calc> bdmurray: hmm yea you are right
[09:16] <calc> i won't reject it, i'll just follow up asking him if formatting the card allows it to automount, since other cards on the same device automount
[09:16] <keescook> calc: I may be a matter of teaching hal to mount it.
[09:16] <keescook> oh
[09:16] <keescook> yeah, that's a better approach, missed that details (other cards work)
[09:17] <bdmurray> CMooney: do you have a question about a specific bug?
[09:17] <bdmurray> keescook: doesn't hal do auto mounting based on device information?
[09:17] <CMooney> just attempting to help with the bug hunt. Going to have a stab at this one
[09:17] <CMooney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/34093
[09:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 34093 in linux-source-2.6.15 "USB drive opens nautilus in loops" [Medium,Needs info] 
[09:17] <keescook> bdmurray: yeah, I misunderstood; since it's the same device, formatting sounds like a reasonable thing to check first
[09:18] <CMooney> Erm what do I click to assign it to myself??
[09:19] <Kmos> CMooney: you'll fix it ? :)
[09:19] <CMooney> Ah. No.
[09:19] <Kmos> so, no assign =)
[09:19] <CMooney> Didn't realise it meant that.... lol
[09:19] <ssam> bdmurray, is bribing you with beer the best way to get approved onto the qa team?
[09:19] <bdmurray> Kmos: actually I think assigning bugs to yourself when they need more information is correct
[09:20] <bdmurray> That way there is someone to go back and look at the bug in the event there is no response
[09:20] <Kmos> bdmurray: but you can comment and ask for that information without assign it
[09:20] <bdmurray> Kmos: okay but how will you find it again?
[09:20] <Kmos> subscribe it
[09:20] <Kmos> :)
[09:21] <keescook> CMooney: if you marked it "Needs Info", yes, assign it to yourself.
[09:21] <Kmos> and check https://bugs.launchpad.net/~login
[09:21] <Kmos> :)
[09:23] <keescook> Kmos: assignee just means "person to take next action"
[09:23] <calc> wow localization stuff for ooo takes forever
[09:23] <Kmos> keescook: I think assigning was just for people who want to fix it
[09:23] <bdmurray> Kmos: but my subscribed bugs also includes bugs I am just watching not waiting for information
[09:23] <Kmos> bdmurray: me too
[09:23] <keescook> Kmos: nope, that would be true if the bug is "Confirmed" or "In Progress"
[09:23] <Kmos> ah..
[09:23] <bdmurray> Kmos: my point being that assignment provides a distinction between bugs I am watching or bugs I am waiting for information on
[09:23] <keescook> for "Needs Info", someone needs to make sure the info arrives.  once that happens, they can flip it to "confirmed" and unassign themself  :)
[09:23] <Kmos> mvo: bug 109765 (can you tell me something about this? 0% progress ? )
[09:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109765 in update-manager "run apt-get autoclean after upgrade" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109765
[09:23] <joumetal> keescook I rejected bug 40522 just minute after your comment :)
[09:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 40522 in initramfs-tools "Check for kernels < 2.6.12 may not always do the right thing" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40522
[09:23] <Kmos> keescook: yeah
[09:23] <keescook> joumetal: whoops! sorry for the collision. :)
[09:23] <mvo> Kmos: what do you want to know :) ?
[09:23] <CMooney> keescook: It was already marked as needs info, but I don't mind taking responsibility. But I can't see anything that says "Assign to me"
[09:23] <calc> bug 95757 - user claims it is fixed already but it shows attached to kernel source in unconfirmed state
[09:23] <Kmos> mvo: if that's already done or in progress
[09:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 95757 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Ubuntu won't boot after upgrading to Feisty using update-manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95757
[09:25] <CMooney> Found it!
[09:25] <joumetal> keescook It's not your fault
[09:25] <keescook> CMooney: if you click on the package name, it should open a box for you to fill in your LP login
[09:25] <bdmurray> CMooney: after you click on the package linux-source-2.6.15 in this case you will be able to assign the bug or confirm it
[09:25] <CMooney> Darn sub-menu's
[09:25] <bdmurray> keescook: it's a radio button with "Me" nearby
[09:25] <mvo> Kmos: its not currently done, also it would not be hard to do. I felt that its not that urgent because we have a automatic cron job that will do cleanup of the cache every 2 days
[09:25] <CMooney> Wooo! I feel proud my first bug. Victory beer sip!
[09:25] <keescook> bdmurray: dur.  yeah.  I've been using greasemonkey too much.  ;)
[09:25] <keescook> \o/   CMooney
[09:25] <Kmos> mvo: ok
[09:25] <CMooney> Aw thanks.
[09:25] <bdmurray> keescook: back to hal stuff doesn't it use fdi policies for mounting devices?
[09:25] <CMooney> Was thinking once I have mastered the art of Bug Hunting, trying to got a BOF at Lug Radio Live or the such like
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #120244 in mtink (universe) "mtink HTML Help Files missing - /usr/share/doc/mtink/html/index.html" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120244
[09:27] <CMooney> Also the when in says "Ask the reporter if it is still an issue, assign it to yourself and mark it "Needs Info"". Does that mean just comment on the bug or directly email the reporter of the email?
[09:27] <keescook> bdmurray: fdi?
[09:27] <bdmurray>  /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/10freedesktop/10-usb-card-readers.fdi
[09:28] <keescook> CMooney: just means comment on the bug.  Generally in the same drop-down box where you click on the "Me" radio button
[09:28] <keescook> bdmurray: you appear to know more about hal than me.  :)
[09:29] <CMooney> keescok: Is that comment box any different to the one that is on the bottom of the page?
[09:29] <keescook> just that it's all in one place, so you can fiddle with the bug settings and make a comment at the same time.
[09:29] <CMooney> k
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #120245 in gfax (universe) "gfax: merge new debian version (0.7.6-3)" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120245
[09:31] <CMooney> How long is best to wait before rejecting a bug?
[09:31] <bdmurray> bug 97490 really is about artsd crashing after pressing Ctrl+Alt+Backspace.  Would you expect stuff to crash when Zap'ing X?
[09:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 97490 in arts "[apport]  artsd crashed with SIGSEGV" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97490
[09:31] <bdmurray> CMooney: 4 weeks
[09:31] <CMooney> k
[09:31] <brycer> bdmurray, ssam had a Q earlier
[09:32] <keescook> bdmurray: it shouldn't _crash_, but it's really no surprise that it did.  I think low or wishlist is fine.
[09:32] <bdmurray> brycer: looking
[09:33] <brycer> bdmurray, you could also mention the blueprint for disabling ctrl-alt-bkspace
[09:33] <brycer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgCtrlAltBackspace
[09:33] <bdmurray> ssam: Hi! Have you mailed me the application?
[09:33] <ssam> bdmurray, i just did the join button on the team page
[09:34] <ssam> bdmurray, do i need to email you aswell?
[09:34] <bdmurray> ssam: I found the e-mail, I'll reply.
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #120246 in gnome-panel (main) "problem with update manager..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120246
[09:36] <CMooney> Right, this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xresprobe/+bug/46352 has had information from the reporter, but still little has been done. Is it worth asking if there is still a problem? Or should it be brought to someones attension?
[09:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 46352 in xresprobe "Panel resolution not detected" [Medium,Needs info] 
[09:37] <bdmurray> CMooney: looking
[09:37] <CMooney> thonks
[09:37] <CMooney> *thanks
[09:38] <bdmurray> brycer: do you have any thoughts on it?
[09:38] <brycer> bdmurray, yeah I'm also not sure on that one
[09:39] <brycer> it could be a dupe of another, but there's not enough info to say
[09:39] <brycer> CMooney, yeah ask if it's still a problem on Feisty
[09:39] <brycer> I suspect it probably is, but who knows
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120247 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "ALC262 sound problem: internal speakers do not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120247
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120248 in gnome-desktop (main) "Need update to Gnome 2.18.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120248
[09:40] <CMooney> Right. Is there anyway to tell what version of ubuntu it was first seen against?
[09:40] <brycer> if the case is that the monitor is not reporting EDID information, it's going to be difficult to fix - like with bug 3731
[09:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 3731 in xorg "Xorg resolution falling back to 640x480 and/or 800x600 when h/v freqs incorrect" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3731
[09:41] <CMooney> I'd like to know before asking a stupid question
[09:42] <brycer> CMooney, hmm, the Xorg.0.log file shows xorg 7.0.0, which is pretty old
[09:42] <CMooney> Right I will ask him/her and assign it to myself
[09:43] <brycer> cool
[09:45] <CMooney> Hmm that calls for another victory sip. Think I will have to move onto shots if I manage to actually close or reject a bug!
[09:50] <bdmurray> ssam: Did you see my reply?
[09:50] <ssam> bdmurray, yes thanks, just replying to it now
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #120249 in gnome-panel (main) "segfault in IA__g_type_check_is_value_type" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120249
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #120250 in adept (main) "Make dowload list available in Adept" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120250
[09:50] <Kmos> bug 108012
[09:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108012 in Ubuntu "2 instances of secondlife can freeze the whole system" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108012
[09:50] <CMooney> Are there really bugs going back to last year??
[09:51] <CMooney> bug 32152
[09:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 32152 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 "Wireless networking suddenly broken" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/32152
[09:51] <crimsun> there are even older bugs
[09:52] <CMooney> Wow. Is there a reason why there isnt an automatic filter on all bugs that are older that 18months with no activity in the last 3??
[09:53] <Kmos> CMooney: bug 91925
[09:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91925 in malone "Automatically expire old Needs Info bug reports" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91925
[09:54] <CMooney> Phew. Thats a relief at least its been thought about.
[09:55] <brycer> bdmurray, bug 43708 might be related to your bug 112073
[09:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43708 in acpi-support "Resume from suspend and hibernate fail when X is running on Fujitsu amilo 7440" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/43708
[09:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112073 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Restore from sleep/hibernation no longer works - Regression since Feisty Beta - gdm hangs" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112073
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120251 in ekiga (main) ""security check failed"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120251
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120252 in hal (main) "se queda colgado" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120252
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #120253 in dbmail (universe) "Merge dbmail 2.2.5 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120253
[10:15] <keescook> hiya ScottK-laptop
[10:16] <ScottK-laptop> High there
[10:16] <ScottK-laptop> keescook:
[10:18] <bdmurray> crimsun: ping
[10:18] <crimsun> bdmurray: pong
[10:19] <bdmurray> I'm looking at bug 114461 about slow sound.  Do you have any input on it?
[10:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114461 in Ubuntu "Slow sound sometimes in feisty/amd64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114461
[10:19] <brycer> hi JenFraggle
[10:20] <bdmurray> JenFraggle wrote clue file yesterday and deserves a hug for that
[10:20] <crimsun> bdmurray: hardware problem.
[10:20] <brycer> kewl
[10:20] <bdmurray> hardware not driver?
[10:20] <crimsun> bdmurray: that's indicative of a broken AC'97 codec, not much we can do about that.
[10:21] <bdmurray> crimsun: I don't think that is the first time I have seen something like that.  Is there anything to keep an eye out for?
[10:22] <crimsun> bdmurray: really depends on the hardware.  Some nforce 2/3 hardware driven by snd-intel8x0 exhibit that problem, some don't.
[10:22] <crimsun> I should probably generate a clue file for that stuff.
[10:22] <keescook> what kde application handles downloading photos from non-disk usb cameras?
[10:23] <bdmurray> keescook: which bug was that?
[10:23] <keescook> bug 105232
[10:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105232 in Ubuntu "Kodak USB connection stalls" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105232
[10:24] <Kmos> what package handles /media/name_of_mounted_point_here
[10:24] <Kmos> for usb pen for example
[10:25] <Kmos> bug 116302
[10:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116302 in Ubuntu "please change /media/disk back to /media/usbdisk" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116302
[10:25] <bdmurray> keescook: it sounds like they are using konqueror there.  wouldn't dmesg be helpful?
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120254 in nicotine (universe) "nicotine crashed with ElementNotFoundError in __init__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120254
[10:25] <keescook> bdmurray: they already included it; no useful output
[10:26] <bdmurray> keescook: maybe dmesg in Feisty would be more informative? that seems to be dmesg from Edgy
[10:29] <bdmurray> Kmos: I'd think hal
[10:30] <bdmurray> crimsun: could you comment on that bug?
[10:33] <bdmurray> keescook: you seem to have touched bug 64870 at some point in time and the last comment indicates that maybe it could be closed.  Do you agree?
[10:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 64870 in shadow "su segfaults when you press Ctrl-D" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/64870
[10:33] <keescook> oh that one... let me reread again
[10:34] <crimsun> bdmurray: done.
[10:34] <bdmurray> crimsun: thanks
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120256 in Ubuntu "konqueror - pdf preview with kpdf crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120256
[10:45] <bdmurray> I'm looking at bug 69325 now and a wiki page seems to indicate that fat32 is supported by syslinux version 3.0.  How do I figure out what came with Edgy?
[10:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 69325 in Ubuntu "Bootable USB Flash Drive version of Kubuntu Edgy LiveCD" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69325
[10:46] <Ari_> bdmurray: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search
[10:47] <bdmurray> Ari_: thanks
[10:48] <Burgundavia> hey bdmurray
[10:51] <ranf> hi
[10:52] <bdmurray> ranf: hello
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #120258 in Ubuntu "Laptop Battery Time Remaining Outrageously  Inaccurate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120258
[11:06] <keescook> is there a debug-suspend-problems set of questions to ask?
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120261 in kdebase (main) "Konqueror Doesn't Load aeroplan.ca" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120261
[11:06] <bdmurray> suspend to disk or suspend to ram?
[11:06] <keescook> "low power", so ram (suspend)
[11:06] <bdmurray> free is a good start. ;)
[11:09] <bdmurray> whoops, that'd be disk.
[11:09] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI
[11:10] <bdmurray> the usual plus 'sudo dmidecode'
[11:11] <keescook> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend
[11:11] <ubotu> New bug: #120259 in firefox-themes-ubuntu (main) "FireFox crashed when I downloaded a file using "Save link AS..."" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120259
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120262 in Ubuntu "Genius Tablet (used to work as wacom) does not work anymore on hotplug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120262
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120264 in latex-beamer (universe) "Text is incorrectly displayed in gray" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120264
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120266 in dbus (main) "dbus sometimes holds a reference to deleted files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120266
[11:42] <bdmurray> only 111 more to go
[11:50] <bdmurray> !ktoon
[11:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ktoon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:50] <bdmurray> !info ktoon
[11:50] <ubotu> Package ktoon does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:51] <bdmurray> how can bug 78247 be then?
[11:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78247 in ktoon "Crashes on start-up" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78247
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #120268 in openoffice.org (main) "After upgrade to 7.04, line spacing in drawing too wide" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120268
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #120269 in Ubuntu "Gnome hides utility windows in fullscreen mode" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120269
[11:52] <CMooney> woo i got a reply to a bug. hasn't helped but glad that theres a chance of sorting something.
[11:52] <pochu> !info ktoon gutsy
[11:52] <bdmurray> CMooney: cool
[11:52] <ubotu> Package ktoon does not exist in gutsy
[11:52] <crimsun> FTBFS.
[11:52] <crimsun> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktoon/0.8-1
[11:53] <bdmurray> crimsun: ah, thanks
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120270 in evolution (main) "Searching hides/deletes e-mails searched for" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120270
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120272 in Ubuntu "loud 1000 hz squealing noise in all apps prodcing any sound" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120272
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120273 in gnome-system-tools (main) "duplicate icons of removable media at startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120273
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #120275 in openoffice.org2-amd64 (main) "Missing toolbar and menu icons and crash when trying to change them" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120275