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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Current meeting: Edubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 14 Jun 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Jun 17:00 UTC: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 19:00 UTC: Technical Board | 20 Jun 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 18:00 UTC: Mozilla Team | ||
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| RichEd | hi edubunteros ... meeting delayed for a bit ... we'll probably start around :30 past the hour | 02:18 |
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| ogra | me waves | 02:35 |
| === RichEd waves back ... | ||
| RichEd | right kicking off with TECHNICAL | 02:35 |
| ogra | sorry, i'm a bit confused now | 02:36 |
| ogra | weird day | 02:36 |
| ogra | so, tech | 02:36 |
| === RichEd hands the mike to oliver ... | ||
| ogra | we released tribe1 on last thursday | 02:36 |
| ogra | since then i have redone much of the ltsp architecture, it doesnt ues nfs anymre but nbd and uses a squashfs image instead of a plain failesystem over the network | 02:37 |
| ogra | all in all its booting about twice as fast now | 02:37 |
| RichEd | ogra: for all LTSP or just the classmate | 02:37 |
| highvoltage | ogra: that sounds weird (but extremely wonderful) | 02:37 |
| ogra | (boottime was our biggest concdern this release) | 02:37 |
| RichEd | good news on the half speed boot :) | 02:37 |
| RichEd | sorry double speed / half time :) | 02:37 |
| highvoltage | ogra: I never liked NFS | 02:38 |
| ogra | RichEd, thats ltsp only, but much of the code i write for this overlaps with the classmate | 02:38 |
| highvoltage | ogra: so tribe 1 already supports the nbd LTSP? | 02:38 |
| ogra | highvoltage, sbalneav measures 73sec vs 140sec yesterday with the first implementation | 02:38 |
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| ogra | thats still not the end of speedups | 02:38 |
| ogra | we'll get to a minute or below | 02:39 |
| DarkSun88 | Hi all | 02:39 |
| highvoltage | can you encrypt the filesystem? | 02:39 |
| ogra | yes | 02:39 |
| RichEd | hi DarkSun88 | 02:39 |
| highvoltage | oh great | 02:39 |
| ogra | but thats not supported yet | 02:39 |
| ogra | needs initramfs support | 02:39 |
| highvoltage | well, just that it's technically possible is great | 02:39 |
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| ogra | beyond that, we now support swapping over the network from initrmfs | 02:39 |
| RichEd | hi Hobbsee | 02:39 |
| ogra | it detects if you have less than 48M and automatically adds swapspace from the server | 02:40 |
| ogra | so its actually possible to boot 28M clients | 02:40 |
| highvoltage | geez. ltsp is maturing very fast. | 02:40 |
| ogra | as long as you make nbdswapd create the swapfiles in a tmpfs | 02:40 |
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| ogra | i'll write a howto for that after or for the gutsy release | 02:40 |
| ogra | all the changes are *not* in tribe 1 | 02:41 |
| ogra | they are my work of the past week ... started all right after tribe1 was out | 02:41 |
| Hobbsee | heya RichEd | 02:41 |
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| highvoltage | aah. so best would be to update my sources.list to gutsy, install new ltsp-server, then do a ltsp-build-client? | 02:41 |
| ogra | so make sure to haave ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone 5.0.16 at least | 02:41 |
| highvoltage | righto | 02:41 |
| ogra | (.16 is just building, but i'd suggest to wait for it) | 02:42 |
| highvoltage | I'll test it and make some noise about it. this is fantastic progres indeed. | 02:42 |
| ogra | yeah | 02:42 |
| ogra | together with sbalneavs rewrite of ldm we'll have the best and fastets ltsp ever :) | 02:42 |
| ogra | did i mention that ldm can do unencrypted X transport now ? | 02:43 |
| highvoltage | and no one will ever have to use ltsp 4.2 any more | 02:43 |
| highvoltage | no you didn't | 02:43 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav mentioned that he was working on it before the summit | 02:43 |
| ogra | the password handling goes still through ssh, but all X traffic is unencrypted if you set LDM_DIRECTX=True | 02:43 |
| ogra | nah, thats from Gadi and a totally new idea | 02:43 |
| ogra | instead f calling ssh -X we set DISPLAY=clientip:dpy | 02:44 |
| ogra | so all features (localdev, sound) persist, and you have soe password security bu the same speed for X as XDMCP had | 02:44 |
| ogra | so nobody can complain or has to use XDMCP anymore | 02:45 |
| highvoltage | uhm... what does that leave then? | 02:45 |
| ogra | anyway, thats it so far from tech | 02:45 |
| highvoltage | it seems that LTSP will be just about complete | 02:46 |
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| ogra | very technical today :) | 02:46 |
| === RichEd gives oliver a round of applause for all of the improvements | ||
| === highvoltage too *clap* *clap* *clap* | ||
| ogra | highvoltage, yes, if we have the gui maintenance tools we can just lean back and tunr a screw here and there for a while | 02:46 |
| highvoltage | then the authentication team must just get going, so that we can have local apps too. | 02:47 |
| ogra | the nice thing is that the squashfs/unionfs/nbd setup opens a ton of new opportuities | 02:47 |
| ogra | starting from just using a liveCD squashfs instead of the client built one ... so you have a desktop kiosk ;) | 02:47 |
| highvoltage | yeah, you could mount over a set of applications on another nbd mount over a union based on machine | 02:47 |
| ogra | or instead of a tmpfs you can use a second ext2 writeable image on the server and have persistent workstations | 02:48 |
| ogra | there are millions of new options we can gnerate products on :) | 02:48 |
| ogra | i was eager to make that switch since ages but never had the balls :) | 02:49 |
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| ogra | this time i did and t seems it turns out very well | 02:49 |
| ogra | so thats it about tech ... any questions ? | 02:49 |
| ogra | RichEd, btw, classmate is stil waiting for the wlan driver from Ben | 02:50 |
| RichEd | ogra: has he got it working and waiting to get it to you, or still busy ? | 02:50 |
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| ogra | i had some apology mails from him and he knows its urgent but didnt send me anything yet | 02:50 |
| ogra | i dont know to be honest | 02:51 |
| ogra | i hope to get something soon | 02:51 |
| RichEd | okay ... on a related note, willvdl and I met with some Intel people today in Cape Town ... they are here for the WEF | 02:51 |
| ogra | nice | 02:51 |
| RichEd | It was (Sir) John Davies who heads up the sales side of Willie's development. | 02:51 |
| ogra | ah, very cool | 02:52 |
| RichEd | He is also head of the Intel World Ahead programme that is looking at "the next billion PC users" | 02:52 |
| RichEd | So they do the Classmate, and some other low spec, low energy rugged devices | 02:52 |
| ogra | "canonical ... the company that does business with knights" :) | 02:52 |
| RichEd | Another link in the Intel chain, so they will introduce me to various people on the ground. | 02:53 |
| ogra | great | 02:53 |
| RichEd | ... | 02:53 |
| RichEd | finished with tech ? | 02:53 |
| ogra | yep, unless there are open questions | 02:53 |
| === highvoltage can't think of anything | ||
| RichEd | anyone ? questions ? | 02:54 |
| RichEd | Move on to Artwork then ... | 02:54 |
| ogra | do we have anything for art? | 02:54 |
| highvoltage | ogra: I'll ask you questions when I test, there's bound to be some then | 02:54 |
| ogra | highvoltage, right | 02:54 |
| RichEd | Pete is not around for art ... anyone else have anthing to raise / say ? | 02:56 |
| ogra | i also need to document the new stuff i guess :) | 02:56 |
| highvoltage | is aliasvegas still around? I haven't heard from her in a long time | 02:56 |
| ogra | nope, i dont think so | 02:56 |
| RichEd | cx33 is in and out ... not as much as usual | 02:56 |
| ogra | and pete wanted to cut his participation time a bit | 02:56 |
| RichEd | I'll clear up his and her commitment when I see him next time in #edubuntu | 02:56 |
| highvoltage | we didn't really have an artwork bof at the uds, did we? perhaps that is something we should re-visit at some stage. | 02:56 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: ok | 02:56 |
| ogra | well, we'Re supposed to get easy changeable artwork from ubuntu, dont we ? | 02:56 |
| RichEd | ken wimer has agreed to help out ... | 02:56 |
| RichEd | to take any suggestions or examples from us, and then make them professional for the product | 02:56 |
| ogra | so that would be the ubuntu art stuff with changed colors and different logo | 02:56 |
| ogra | i know ken is working on an easy procedure for derivatives here | 02:56 |
| RichEd | ogra: yes, we can vary it, but keep it within the general flavour theme | 02:57 |
| ogra | right | 02:57 |
| ogra | only ldm is a bit different, but i'll care for that and do a gdm ripoff for the art | 02:57 |
| RichEd | ogra: cool ... you can hack it if you want, and ken will polish the idea | 02:57 |
| ogra | right | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: edubuntu wouldnt have use for an edubuntu-restricted-extras as ubuntu & kubuntu has, would it? (not the manager, just a metapackage of all the extra packages for codecs, etc). If so, the ubuntu-restricted-manager is now done sanely for multiple flavours. | 02:58 |
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| ogra | Hobbsee, edubuntu uses ubuntu as a base ... | 02:58 |
| ogra | so an ubuntu-restricted-somethig will be used | 02:59 |
| ogra | we dont need extra packages for this | 02:59 |
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| Hobbsee | ogra: fair enough. wasnt sure if there were specific needs for edubuntu. <goes back to lurking> | 02:59 |
| ogra | Hobbsee, there is an edubuntu-kde metapackage planned ... that should indeed depend on the KDE variant ;) | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | that'd be cool | 03:00 |
| ogra | well i'm all for it, but am waiting for someone to take up the maintenance of that | 03:00 |
| ogra | we dont have many KDE peoplein edubuntu so it should be someone from the kubuntu crowd who maintais the seeds for it | 03:00 |
| RichEd | anything more in art then ? | 03:01 |
| ogra | doesnt look like | 03:02 |
| RichEd | Moving on to Documentation ... | 03:02 |
| RichEd | willvdl has some stuff to add here but he does not seem to be online atm ... | 03:02 |
| RichEd | ogra: has sbalneav done any more LTSP doc stuff ? | 03:02 |
| ogra | nope | 03:02 |
| RichEd | and anyone else with a doc topic ? | 03:03 |
| ogra | and i'm more happy having him coding on the new ldm than having him writing docs | 03:03 |
| RichEd | :) | 03:03 |
| ogra | docs are something we *can* fix out of sync ... code needs to be tested early in a release cycle | 03:03 |
| RichEd | okay ... | 03:04 |
| ogra | so dot drag him away from the code ;) | 03:04 |
| ogra | *dont | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | +1 | 03:04 |
| RichEd | Web Sites then ... | 03:08 |
| RichEd | again will has some updates ... but he is not here as above | 03:08 |
| ogra | pips1 and him discussed some website stuff last week iirc | 03:08 |
| ogra | but i wasnt following closely | 03:08 |
| RichEd | From my side, I am working with Gerry (the new PRO & marketing guy in Canonical) to put some generic edubuntu & ubuntu education stuff on the ubuntu.com web site | 03:08 |
| ogra | great | 03:08 |
| RichEd | Also, sort of related, I did an interview with THE Journal last week ... Technology in Higher Education | 03:08 |
| RichEd | Circulation of 90,000 in the US | 03:08 |
| RichEd | And an online version. | 03:08 |
| ogra | wow | 03:08 |
| RichEd | Also: Hello, | 03:08 |
| RichEd | We're reviewing Edubuntu in our next issue. So two things | 03:08 |
| highvoltage | there's some problem with the server atm, it needs a bit of a software update for drupal 5 | 03:08 |
| RichEd | Kathy Ishizuka | 03:08 |
| RichEd | Technology Editor | 03:08 |
| RichEd | School Library Journal | 03:08 |
| highvoltage | I've been meaning to ping the sysadmins about that, will do so today/tomorrow | 03:08 |
| RichEd | and <quote> | 03:08 |
| RichEd | . Also, our reviewer is so enthusiastic about the product that we'd like to provide CDs at the American Association of School Librarians conference this October, where he will be featuring his top tech picks. | 03:08 |
| RichEd | <endquote> | 03:08 |
| RichEd | So edubuntu is making some nice waves in the US ... | 03:08 |
| === ogra got a thank you mail tday from an ubuntustudio user who runs it over ltsp :) | ||
| ogra | "But WOW!! What a terrific system we now have, and what a terrific job | 03:09 |
| ogra | you guys have done!! UbuntuStudio's desktop is what win vista should | 03:09 |
| ogra | have been - brilliant and elegant. | 03:09 |
| ogra | " | 03:09 |
| RichEd | cool :) | 03:09 |
| ogra | "UbuntuStudio running | 03:09 |
| ogra | on a dual-quad xeon (8 cpu's) Intel server motherboard with 6 gb ram, 6 | 03:09 |
| ogra | removable SATA hard disks, as an ltsp server. The ltsp software was | 03:09 |
| ogra | installed following the guidance in the UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall. The | 03:09 |
| ogra | server is driving six high-res Neoware terminals, and I had the Rolling | 03:09 |
| ogra | Stones playing on the speakers at my terminal where I took the | 03:09 |
| ogra | screenshot. " | 03:09 |
| ogra | :) | 03:09 |
| RichEd | And this from a Canonical Partner: | 03:09 |
| RichEd | >>> Right now we are looking to place a server w/20 Edubuntu (for the | 03:09 |
| RichEd | >>> extras it provides) clients. The ultimate goal is to add 200 thin | 03:09 |
| RichEd | >>> clients thoughout the school. | 03:09 |
| ogra | wow | 03:10 |
| RichEd | So a good week for PRO | 03:10 |
| ogra | that will need a little server farm | 03:10 |
| highvoltage | ogra: :) | 03:10 |
| === RichEd sings old macdonald | ||
| ogra | heh | 03:10 |
| RichEd | ogra: they do low spec devices specifically for Open Source, and want to put a sales bundle together for: | 03:10 |
| RichEd | It looks like we could set up a fairly standard package like this for | 03:11 |
| RichEd | schools, municipalities, internet cafes, etc. | 03:11 |
| RichEd | We should put a bundle together! | 03:11 |
| ogra | yeah | 03:11 |
| RichEd | http://projects.powerdeveloper.org/project/efika/338 | 03:11 |
| ogra | well, it would be nice if i could get one of the devices in advance | 03:11 |
| RichEd | Okay ... Community | 03:11 |
| ogra | to find any possible drawbacks | 03:11 |
| RichEd | (ogra: I'll ask them for one) | 03:11 |
| ogra | great, thanlks | 03:11 |
| RichEd | pips1 is busy with the commuity site, and has some people contributing (like David Trask) | 03:12 |
| ogra | or at least they should tell me the specs, i have a ton of thin clients around here, its likely i have the one or a similar one they want to use | 03:12 |
| RichEd | ogra: they build the devices ... you can see specs here: | 03:12 |
| ogra | oh, right, i still havent pulled off the pic of my camera | 03:12 |
| ogra | pics | 03:13 |
| RichEd | http://www.genesippc.com/openclient.php | 03:13 |
| ogra | urgh | 03:13 |
| RichEd | Specifications are as follows: | 03:13 |
| RichEd | * Freescale MPC5200B PowerPC SoC up to 400MHz | 03:13 |
| RichEd | * 128MB 266MHz DDR RAM | 03:13 |
| RichEd | * 10/100Mbit/s Ethernet | 03:13 |
| RichEd | * 2x USB ports | 03:13 |
| RichEd | * 1x RS232 Serial port | 03:13 |
| ogra | we dont support ppc anymore | 03:13 |
| RichEd | * Stereo Audio out, Microphone and Line-input | 03:13 |
| RichEd | * RoHS Compliant | 03:13 |
| RichEd | :( | 03:13 |
| ogra | since edgy | 03:13 |
| RichEd | they put projects together to acheive aims, so perhaps they can look at this with some partners | 03:14 |
| ogra | we still have a ppc build but no officially supported one | 03:14 |
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| RichEd | well we can test their device and help them iron out kinks - hopefully | 03:14 |
| ogra | the specs look great though | 03:14 |
| ogra | would make a nice ltsp setup | 03:14 |
| ogra | but we wouldnt be able to officially support it | 03:15 |
| RichEd | indeed :) looks quite neat as well | 03:15 |
| ogra | unless our marketing strategy changes | 03:15 |
| RichEd | Well they are a partner ... so maybe we can bend over a bit | 03:15 |
| ogra | indeed | 03:15 |
| RichEd | Okay last topic, Management: | 03:16 |
| ogra | but we dont give support for the pcc packages | 03:16 |
| ogra | thats the main prob | 03:16 |
| RichEd | From my side: I must get some projects going to help build community, as soon as I have finished the planning exercise we are busy with. | 03:16 |
| RichEd | I've asked people to comment on the first draft of the objectives which are here: | 03:16 |
| RichEd | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/Objectives | 03:16 |
| RichEd | Feel free to mail me comments / suggestions. | 03:16 |
| RichEd | Note that I will need to relate the objectives back to the company strategy (i.e. the ones that the paid people will commit to) ... | 03:17 |
| RichEd | But ideas for community goals are welcome ... | 03:17 |
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| RichEd | back in a sec ... | 03:17 |
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| RichEd | Anything else for today ? | 03:21 |
| === ogra doesnt think so | ||
| ogra | LaserJock old me he wanted to work on the addonCD enhancements over the weekend | 03:22 |
| ogra | he seemed to have some concrete ideas about grouping the app istall entries | 03:22 |
| ogra | but he hasnt come back to me yet | 03:22 |
| RichEd | okay ... hopefully he will share them with us for comment | 03:23 |
| RichEd | anything else ? | 03:24 |
| ogra | nope | 03:24 |
| RichEd | okay ... lets wrap it up ... and let ogra make plans for sweden :) | 03:24 |
| ogra | heh | 03:24 |
| RichEd | going once ... | 03:25 |
| RichEd | going twice ... | 03:25 |
| RichEd | okay ... done ... | 03:25 |
| ogra | yay | 03:25 |
| RichEd | Thanks all, and again thanks to ogra for the LTSP improvements | 03:25 |
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| coreymon77 | man | 06:06 |
| coreymon77 | is ther still no word about the next community council meeting? | 06:07 |
| coreymon77 | its already halfway through the month! | 06:07 |
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| juliux | coreymon77, check http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda for the next date | 06:13 |
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| coreymon77 | it says that it will be announced | 06:16 |
| coreymon77 | which is kinda surprising | 06:16 |
| coreymon77 | since there are supposed to be 2 a month and its already halfway through the month | 06:17 |
| coreymon77 | im just hoping that it will be soon | 06:18 |
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| dholbach | coreymon77: I asked the other CC members for a date we agree on | 06:26 |
| dholbach | coreymon77: it will be announced as soon as we have a suitable date | 06:26 |
| coreymon77 | oh ya | 06:26 |
| coreymon77 | and im in the eastern time zone | 06:26 |
| coreymon77 | so could you possibly make it so that the time isnt rediculous for m | 06:27 |
| coreymon77 | e | 06:27 |
| dholbach | I can't promise that | 06:27 |
| dholbach | but we'll announce shortly | 06:27 |
| coreymon77 | could you try? | 06:28 |
| dholbach | write to community-council@lists.ubuntu.com | 06:28 |
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| bashelier | hey dholbach | 06:34 |
| bashelier | dholbach: do you have an aproximative idea of the date ? in one week ? :) | 06:34 |
| dholbach | bashelier: roughly, yes | 06:35 |
| bashelier | rock'n'roll | 06:35 |
| dholbach | but I can't make promises, so please try to be patient and wait for the announce :) | 06:35 |
| bashelier | dholbach: I'll do, thanks :) | 06:36 |
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| effraie | @schedule Paris | 10:42 |
| ubotu | Schedule for Europe/Paris: 14 Jun 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Jun 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 21:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 20:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10:42 |
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