| DaSkreech | manchicken: soooooo we aren't going to hear it? | 12:23 |
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| jjesse | man i love buffalo wings | 12:29 |
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| Riddell | gonnae someone merge kftpgrabber | 01:57 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: taking a look at kftpgrabber right now | 02:09 |
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| jjesse_ | hmmm wind stopped outside, bet that means the storms are on the way | 02:19 |
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| jjesse | slow night tonight :) | 02:35 |
| nixternal | Riddell: requested sync for kftpgrabber - they included our patch | 02:54 |
| nixternal | very slow night tonight | 02:54 |
| nixternal | jjesse: you guys getting storms over there? | 02:54 |
| jjesse | supposed to | 02:54 |
| jjesse | but they passed | 02:54 |
| jjesse | :( | 02:54 |
| nixternal | hehe | 02:54 |
| jjesse | i like thunderstorms | 02:54 |
| nixternal | I hate when that happens | 02:54 |
| nixternal | you work yourself up for a good storm, and it passes you by | 02:54 |
| jjesse | especailly cause they are comming from the east to the west | 02:54 |
| jjesse | instead of the normal route | 02:54 |
| nixternal | those are the good ones | 02:54 |
| nixternal | especially when they meet the lake | 02:55 |
| jjesse | i think deal or no deal is one of the dumbest shows on tvb | 02:55 |
| jjesse | the people are retarted | 02:55 |
| nixternal | haha | 02:56 |
| nixternal | I don't think I would take the deal | 02:56 |
| jjesse | they give up like 500k and lose everything | 02:56 |
| nixternal | I would go all the way until the end | 02:56 |
| nixternal | if I come home with a dollar, hey that is all I was meant to have | 02:56 |
| jjesse | hah you would be one of those i would laugh at | 02:56 |
| === xerosis would deal first offer | ||
| nixternal | lol | 02:56 |
| nixternal | has anyone won the million yet? | 02:57 |
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| jjesse | i don't think so | 02:57 |
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| DaSkreech | http://wubuntu.weejewel.net/ | 03:43 |
| jjesse | whats' that? | 03:46 |
| DaSkreech | web Ubuntu | 03:48 |
| Jucato | heh | 03:48 |
| jjesse | Jucato: did you ping me the other day? | 03:48 |
| Jucato | jjesse: yeah. about your FS View question on kubuntu-devel | 03:48 |
| jjesse | oh | 03:48 |
| Jucato | anyway, replied to the mailing list :) | 03:48 |
| jjesse | oh cool | 03:48 |
| jjesse | DaSkreech: i get a time out to that wubuntu page | 03:48 |
| DaSkreech | Hmm | 03:48 |
| DaSkreech | It worked earlier | 03:48 |
| DaSkreech | guess it got dotted | 03:48 |
| jjesse | Timeout on server | 03:48 |
| jjesse | Connection was to wubuntu.weejewel.net at port 80 | 03:48 |
| Jucato | it might be suffering from ubuntuforums.org effect :) | 03:49 |
| jjesse | Jucato: was it you who showed me launchy for windows? | 03:50 |
| jjesse | cause i'm really liking it | 03:50 |
| Jucato | jjesse: yesssss. :) | 03:50 |
| jjesse | i really like it | 03:50 |
| Jucato | hehe I like it too. although I'm not on Windows most of the time nowadays | 03:51 |
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| DaSkreech | enso | 03:52 |
| Jucato | not really | 03:52 |
| Jucato | I mean it's a lot like Katapult but w/ the things I like :) | 03:53 |
| jjesse | agreed | 03:53 |
| Jucato | 1) multiple hits 2) themeable | 03:53 |
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| DaSkreech | katapult technically is themable :) | 04:03 |
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| DaSkreech | Hobbsee!!! | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | heya | 04:05 |
| Jucato | technically is not the same as easily :) | 04:05 |
| Jucato | hi Hobbsee! | 04:05 |
| DaSkreech | you didn't say easily :) | 04:06 |
| === Hobbsee eeks | ||
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| === Jucato acks Hobbsee's eek | ||
| === Hobbsee has an exam today... | ||
| DaSkreech | Does it involve a plastic cup? | 04:08 |
| Hobbsee | dont think so | 04:08 |
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| jjesse | do you ever look at the clock and go holy crap what did i just do for the last 30 minutes | 04:11 |
| Jucato | grrr!!! I just hate it when a book's index doesn't match the pages :/ | 04:11 |
| DaSkreech | Like google's cache | 04:12 |
| Jucato | jjesse: no. I go "holy krap what did I just do for the last 2 hours" | 04:12 |
| jjesse | lol | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: yeah. every night. | 04:12 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: for a C++ book, an index is essential :( | 04:12 |
| jjesse | i think its worse when i travel cause then i just turn on the tv and forget what i'm doing | 04:12 |
| Jucato | me? everyday... by night I don't look at the clock anymore... | 04:13 |
| Jucato | I only notice the time when my eyes begin to droop... | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i do that, and it becomes 6am. i was *going* to get better after UDS, and it just got worse. | 04:13 |
| jjesse | thats a bummer | 04:14 |
| Jucato | timezones suck... have to adjust everytime... | 04:14 |
| jjesse | just a reminder never try to download an 8 gig file over hotel internet | 04:15 |
| Jucato | I'm glad my country sits on only one tz :D | 04:15 |
| jjesse | Jucato: what is "your country" | 04:15 |
| Jucato | philippines | 04:15 |
| Jucato | (never heard? :D) | 04:15 |
| jjesse | didn't remember | 04:15 |
| Jucato | hehe | 04:15 |
| DaSkreech | Really? | 04:15 |
| Jucato | it's my country! mine!! | 04:15 |
| jjesse | all hail king Jucato | 04:15 |
| Jucato | ok time to go back to access specifiers... | 04:16 |
| Jucato | king Jucato trembles before Queen Hobbsee of the Pointy Sticks | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:17 |
| DaSkreech | Darn you Hobbsee. open source your pointy sticks!! | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | why? | 04:18 |
| DaSkreech | We all want to share in them :-( It's not fun having all the power in one well made fist | 04:19 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | dream on | 04:21 |
| Jucato | lol! now I know why QObject::connect is called like that :) | 04:22 |
| Jucato | oops sorry :) | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: it's no fun if you all have pointy sticks too. | 04:28 |
| DaSkreech | oh no | 04:28 |
| DaSkreech | we would contribute to your pointiness :) | 04:28 |
| === n8k99 would stop being so blunt | ||
| DaSkreech | See? It's a charitable work! | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | but it's fun poking people, and i cant do that if they're pointy stick enabled too... | 04:38 |
| n8k99 | !Hobbsee | 04:39 |
| ubotu | I phear the stick so shhhhh | 04:39 |
| Jucato | beware Hobbsee... too much poking with your point stick will eventually lead to more piercing than poking... :/ | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: er, i found that out at UDS actually... | 04:39 |
| Jucato | O.o | 04:40 |
| === Hobbsee was using some of the toothpicks to poke people. | ||
| Jucato | lol | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | at the palace | 04:41 |
| Jucato | well, it's pointy and a stick... but not long... hence it didn't work as planned :) | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | still very sharp, though. | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | especially if you have a helper | 04:42 |
| Jucato | oooh maybe you should add "sharp" to "long pointy stick" :D | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | so then there are *two* poking | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | i sometimes do - the Sharp Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 04:42 |
| Jucato | hahah! | 04:42 |
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| DaSkreech | tortoisesvn ? | 04:43 |
| Jucato | KTurtle | 04:44 |
| DaSkreech | that's a turtle that's different | 04:45 |
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| jdong | nixternal: funny you should mention that.... bug 120312 :D | 05:16 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 120312 in ktorrent "Sponsor: KTorrent 2.2~rc1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120312 | 05:16 |
| jdong | bwahaha | 05:16 |
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| Jucato | nixternal: looks like what you predicted about Linspire might become a reality... | 06:02 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal is a witch! Burn him! | 06:02 |
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| nixternal | muhahha | 06:23 |
| DaSkreech | Since I'm obvioulsy not going to bed now I'll just hit up my good frined commit-digest | 06:36 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:38 |
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| nixternal | well, someone needs to hit up the kftgrabber sync | 06:38 |
| nixternal | right ScottK-laptop ? | 06:38 |
| nixternal | ;p | 06:38 |
| nixternal | perfect timing I tell you | 06:38 |
| nixternal | jjesse_: Kubuntu Docs: any ideas for Gutsy? I think all we need to do is build up what we already have | 06:38 |
| DaSkreech | Well done scotty! | 06:40 |
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| ScottK-laptop | nixternal: Won't it sync automatically? | 06:42 |
| ScottK-laptop | nixternal: Tell me where to find the Gutsy New queue in LP and I'll look at it. I don't have it bookmarked on my laptop and I can't find it for the life of me... | 06:42 |
| nixternal | dunno, does it? | 06:42 |
| ScottK-laptop | It doesn't have an Ubuntu unique revision. Are we past auto syncing in the sched? I haven't looked lately. | 06:43 |
| === ScottK-laptop looks | ||
| nixternal | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kftpgrabber/+bug/120300 | 06:43 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 120300 in kftpgrabber "Please synce kftpgrabber (0.8.1-1) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 06:43 |
| nixternal | I don't know, Riddell asked for someone to do a merge, but Debian is using our Kubuntu patch so we can drop Kubuntu changes | 06:44 |
| nixternal | so since they are doing the patch now, we can just sync it | 06:44 |
| ScottK-laptop | nixternal: OK. I looked at it wrong before, it does have an Ubuntu unique revision. My bad. | 06:45 |
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| nixternal | it did have one | 06:45 |
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| ScottK2 | Stupid Hotel internet connection. I'm looking at the sync. | 06:50 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: doc something for me :) | 06:52 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: what's up? | 06:52 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: find out what the hekk kgrab is and do a writeup on your blog :) | 06:53 |
| nixternal | kgrab...never heard of it | 06:53 |
| DaSkreech | Me either | 06:54 |
| DaSkreech | and neither has google ... much | 06:54 |
| DaSkreech | but I'm hearing it's all that with a side of ksnapshot and katpult goodness | 06:55 |
| nixternal | well, from what I am reading on kde-core-devel (2006-09-06) it is just ksnapshot so far w/o all of the buttons | 06:56 |
| ScottK2 | nixternal or anyone who knows: I could do with a link to the NEW queue in LP... | 06:58 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:58 |
| nixternal | hrmm...I am unfamiliar with the new queue | 07:02 |
| ScottK2 | nixternal: Bug #120300 was more complicated than you thought. | 07:06 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 120300 in kftpgrabber "Please synce kftpgrabber (0.8.1-1) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120300 | 07:06 |
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| nixternal | ScottK-laptop: but those weren't ubuntu changes | 07:08 |
| nixternal | if they were, they were never addressed | 07:08 |
| nixternal | I think the reason between the changes is because the amount of time that has lapsed between our last merge and the 2 or 3 updates that Debian did | 07:08 |
| ScottK-laptop | nixternal: I think the changelog that alegedly showed the remaining Ubuntu changes was radically wrong. | 07:09 |
| ScottK-laptop | nixternal: In particular I'm worried about the build-dep differences not being addressed. | 07:10 |
| nixternal | well, the only other change that was in the log was removing libgamin | 07:10 |
| ScottK-laptop | All the changes in /debian should be documented either in the Debian or Ubuntu debian/changelog, so it looks to me like somebody hasn't been documenting all their changes. | 07:11 |
| nixternal | kdelibs4-dev is correct | 07:11 |
| nixternal | I would say that would be Debian and not us..I hope | 07:11 |
| === ScottK-laptop downloaded both packages and debdiffed them. I'd suggest doing that and going through it. | ||
| ScottK-laptop | As I understand the process, when you say it's safe to sync over the Ubuntu diff, you have to address all of the differences. | 07:13 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 07:18 |
| nixternal | this is a mess | 07:18 |
| ScottK-laptop | nixternal: Yes it is. | 07:19 |
| nixternal | no debian/control differences between debian's 0.8.0-0 and 0.8.1-1 | 07:19 |
| ScottK-laptop | nixternal: I debdiffed the latest Debian and Ubuntu releases and it looked ugly. | 07:19 |
| nixternal | ya, I just did the same | 07:20 |
| nixternal | well the debian/ portion at least | 07:20 |
| nixternal | I would like to know why debian/control changes were made and not documented | 07:20 |
| ScottK-laptop | nixternal: Right. That's all that counts since the upstream version is different | 07:20 |
| nixternal | and the upstream version is also correct | 07:20 |
| ScottK-laptop | nixternal: Agreed it's be nice to know why (actually who so we can ask Ms. LongPointyStick to pay them a visit). | 07:21 |
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| nixternal | if we merge this, all it does it continue on with the nastiness and the broken merges in the future | 07:21 |
| ScottK-laptop | nixternal: The right answer is to go through the differences in /debian and either drop them or document them so whoever gets to it next clearly knows what's up. | 07:22 |
| nixternal | to document them as drops, in the changelog add a section like [Richard A. Johnson] above fboudra's changes? | 07:23 |
| === ScottK-laptop looks | ||
| ScottK-laptop | nixternal: Do it just like a merge where you make kftpgrabber (0.8.1-1ubuntu1) | 07:25 |
| nixternal | and then the next release we can sync? | 07:28 |
| nixternal | hopefully | 07:28 |
| ScottK-laptop | nixternal: If you get through it all and decide nothing needs to be kept, then maybe this one can be a sync, it just needs to be evalutated and documented (in the bug for a sync and in the changelog for a merge). | 07:28 |
| nixternal | well I can tell you now nothing needs to be kept | 07:28 |
| ScottK-laptop | nixternal: Then in that case update the sync bug to describe all the differences and say it's OK to sync over them. | 07:28 |
| nixternal | roger that | 07:28 |
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| ScottK-laptop | You'll need to resub UUS once that's done. | 07:28 |
| nixternal | k | 07:28 |
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| _StefanS_ | mornings | 09:03 |
| Jucato | afternoons :) | 09:05 |
| _marseillais | hi | 09:05 |
| _StefanS_ | :) | 09:06 |
| _StefanS_ | so whats up ? | 09:06 |
| Jucato | I'm up now :) | 09:06 |
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| Jucato | (from an afternoon nap :P) | 09:06 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: well one's gotta sleep sometime.. My girl woke up this morning at 6:00... too bad when you're not really in bed until after midnight | 09:07 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: gets you after a while ;) | 09:07 |
| Jucato | hehe :) | 09:07 |
| === Jucato yawns... | ||
| ScottK-laptop | _StefanS_: How old is your girl? | 09:08 |
| Jucato | I do need to control my sleeping habits though... | 09:08 |
| _StefanS_ | ScottK-laptop: just 10 months :) | 09:08 |
| _StefanS_ | ScottK-laptop: another one coming in ~2 months (boy) | 09:08 |
| ScottK-laptop | _StefanS_: Ah. My youngest is 4, so I can still remember. | 09:08 |
| === _StefanS_ feels he will get busy | ||
| ScottK-laptop | Oh wow. | 09:08 |
| ScottK-laptop | and tired | 09:08 |
| _StefanS_ | ScottK-laptop: hehe yea, well we want them to be close | 09:09 |
| Jucato | eheh :) | 09:09 |
| === Jucato is lucky... for now... :) | ||
| _StefanS_ | ScottK-laptop: hopefully they will get alot from eachother | 09:09 |
| giangy | new-generation hackers. | 09:09 |
| giangy | :) | 09:09 |
| giangy | 'morning guys | 09:09 |
| _StefanS_ | hehe | 09:09 |
| ScottK-laptop | bruises, cuts, concussions. | 09:09 |
| ScottK-laptop | And then they'll be great friends after they are adults | 09:10 |
| Jucato | that never happened with me and my sis... (4 years apart) | 09:10 |
| _StefanS_ | ScottK-laptop: oh yes, she's just started to pull herself up on her feet on just about any occasion, and she hit something and got nosebleed | 09:10 |
| Jucato | we're like cats and dogs... | 09:10 |
| _StefanS_ | ScottK-laptop: hopefully.. | 09:10 |
| === _StefanS_ boots his gutsy vm to check for new stuff.. | ||
| ScottK-laptop | My wife has the theory that the more they fight as children, the more likely they are to get along as adults | 09:11 |
| _StefanS_ | ScottK-laptop: sounds interesting; never heard that one before :) | 09:11 |
| _StefanS_ | hmm I'm looking for a good firewall package for ubuntu so I can retire my soekris firewall | 09:12 |
| _StefanS_ | anyone know of one? | 09:12 |
| === ScottK-laptop just has iptables rules. | ||
| ScottK-laptop | Do you really need one? | 09:13 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm.. | 09:13 |
| _StefanS_ | no but I'm lazy, and used to gui/web interface.. | 09:13 |
| _StefanS_ | maybe I should just use webmin | 09:13 |
| === ScottK-laptop doesn't bother on desktops, only on internet exposed servers | ||
| _StefanS_ | and iptables ofcourse | 09:13 |
| _StefanS_ | its for my server.. | 09:14 |
| ScottK-laptop | Ah | 09:14 |
| ScottK-laptop | Once you get a decent iptables script setup, it really doesn't take a lot of maintenance. | 09:14 |
| _StefanS_ | got a nice mini-itx core duo 2.16 ghzin a nexus psile case | 09:14 |
| _StefanS_ | right, I just want to save my electric bill, and the cpu in the soekris box is only a 266mhz geode | 09:14 |
| _StefanS_ | not good for QoS .. | 09:14 |
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| _marseillais | _StefanS_, do you allready have your @ubuntu.com mail ? | 09:52 |
| _StefanS_ | _marseillais: nope, how do I get it? | 09:52 |
| _marseillais | if i've well understand it should come alone | 09:52 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: er... | 09:52 |
| Jucato | you didn't get a cloak yet even... | 09:52 |
| _marseillais | but nothing yet | 09:52 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: right.. | 09:52 |
| Jucato | you have to join the LP team first | 09:52 |
| Jucato | then the email comes about 24 hours later or less | 09:53 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: hmm didn't know that | 09:53 |
| Jucato | more or less | 09:53 |
| _StefanS_ | looking.. | 09:53 |
| _StefanS_ | got a link for the launchpad team? | 09:53 |
| _marseillais | Jucato, wich lp team? | 09:53 |
| Jucato | kubuntu-members | 09:54 |
| _marseillais | Jucato, i'm in this team since more than a week now | 09:54 |
| Jucato | hm...? | 09:54 |
| Lure_ | _marseillais: did you try to send to <nick>@ubuntu.com? | 09:55 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: I'm already member of kubuntu-team->ubuntu-team, isn't that enough | 09:55 |
| Lure_ | _marseillais: it just worked for me | 09:55 |
| Jucato | oh yeah, you don't get any notification. | 09:55 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: I don't think so. you need to be part of ubuntumembers, which you are automatically joined to if you join kubuntu-members | 09:56 |
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| _StefanS_ | Jucato: well thats what I meant :) | 09:56 |
| _StefanS_ | great, now my providers smtp is down | 09:57 |
| Jucato | er... kubuntu-members is different from kubuntu-team :) | 09:57 |
| _StefanS_ | oh | 09:57 |
| _marseillais | arf | 09:57 |
| _marseillais | i'm stupid | 09:57 |
| Jucato | hm... but who do you poke now for the cloak, now that Seveas is gone? :/ | 09:58 |
| Jucato | hm.... | 09:58 |
| _marseillais | i was trying marseillai@ubuntu.com | 09:58 |
| _marseillais | could someone poke me at cyrilb856@ubuntu.com ??? | 09:58 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: seems like kubuntu-members makes you indirect of kubuntu-team | 09:58 |
| _StefanS_ | _marseillais: I'll try | 09:58 |
| _StefanS_ | _marseillais: sent it | 09:58 |
| _marseillais | thx | 09:58 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: I guess so... the whole hierarchy of LP teams still has me confused | 09:59 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: yes... someone has over structured the lp pages I think.. | 09:59 |
| _StefanS_ | K.I.S.S.. | 09:59 |
| _StefanS_ | hey the email works | 09:59 |
| Jucato | there's kubuntu-users, kubuntu-team, kubuntu-members, and-god-knows-what-other-kubuntu-teams | 09:59 |
| _StefanS_ | _marseillais: got yours also | 09:59 |
| _marseillais | :) thx Lure and _StefanS_ | 09:59 |
| _marseillais | :) | 10:00 |
| Jucato | now all you need is the cloak :) | 10:00 |
| Jucato | maybe nalioth is the guy to poke for this now | 10:00 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: maybe you should just join [a-z] ubuntu-.* ? | 10:00 |
| Jucato | [a-z] buntu* actually | 10:00 |
| Jucato | (ubuntumembers doesn't have a '-') | 10:00 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: [a-z] ubuntu.* | 10:00 |
| Jucato | ah ok :) | 10:01 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: dont you know your regexes ;) | 10:01 |
| Jucato | my regex sucks :) | 10:01 |
| _StefanS_ | . all chars | 10:01 |
| Jucato | duh! obviously :P | 10:01 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: are you getting somewhere in the c++ world? | 10:01 |
| Jucato | yeah. progressing quite a bit. decided to skip recursion for a later day/week/month/year :P | 10:01 |
| Jucato | getting a bit deeper into classes now | 10:02 |
| _StefanS_ | sounds good.. | 10:02 |
| _StefanS_ | I sort of reading on the subclassing stuff | 10:02 |
| Jucato | this book seems to have an obsession with const... | 10:02 |
| Jucato | const int * cont ptr.... const on almost everything that can be const'ed | 10:03 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm ok.. didn't really notice anything like that in my book(s) | 10:05 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 10:06 |
| Jucato | yeah this book emphasizes on "principle of least privilege" as a good software engineering practice... | 10:06 |
| Jucato | maybe I'm just new... but seeing const on almost every line in a class definition seems quite.. um... funny :) | 10:06 |
| _StefanS_ | just ignore it :) - the whole of c++ is alot about structure that tends to be the same all the time | 10:07 |
| _StefanS_ | like java... | 10:07 |
| Jucato | I didn't see much const's in KDE code.. so yeah, might put it in the backburner for a while | 10:08 |
| _marseillais | second question | 10:11 |
| _marseillais | who has time to revu my katchtv package? | 10:11 |
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| _marseillais | Jucato, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5494 :p | 10:12 |
| Jucato | ah ok.. can't help there :P | 10:13 |
| === Jucato points _marseillais to Lure or someone else :) | ||
| Lure | _marseillais: sorry no time today (probably until weekend... :-( | 10:14 |
| Jucato | aw... :/ | 10:14 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: show me the money!!! | 10:42 |
| _StefanS_ | :D | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | yo ! | 10:43 |
| Tonio_ | okay let's go with the patches | 10:43 |
| Tonio_ | I have penty of patches to upload :) | 10:43 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: sounds good ? What is it? | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | ark, fixes several bugs | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | kdebase, correct the usplash on shutdown | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | a few changes in kds structure | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | and other things | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | and I have to make a point on kdesudo | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: I'll check the status of umountwrapper | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | but first I'm switching to gtsy | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | pray for me :) | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll work on dolphin today too :) | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: thanks for the MIR that'll help | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | also I'll have internet at home within a week, so I'll be finally active for the end of the dev cycle | 11:10 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: http://beta1.suse.com/private/hschaa/knetworkmanager/ | 11:28 |
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| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: grat ! | 11:33 |
| Tonio_ | +e | 11:33 |
| Tonio_ | pffffffff lots of work today :) | 11:34 |
| _StefanS_ | if the rc is without bugs, it will be released very soon | 11:34 |
| Tonio_ | I also have to work on dolphin :) | 11:34 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I'll work on the packaging today :) | 11:34 |
| _StefanS_ | sweet :) | 11:34 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: hows networkmanager 0.6.5 coming for gutsy? | 11:35 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: cause it wont work without it :) | 11:35 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I'll check ;) | 11:36 |
| Tonio_ | finished the update, rebooting........ pray for me :) | 11:37 |
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| root__ | anyone there ? | 12:04 |
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| Tonio-- | I just switched to gutsy and there is a HUDGE problem with xorg :) | 12:05 |
| Riddell | tsk tsk | 12:05 |
| Tonio-- | no way to detect my screen, with fglrx, ati or even vesa driver.... | 12:05 |
| Tonio-- | I need someone to please download the latest radeon drier on ati and send it to me | 12:05 |
| Tonio-- | the form to download doesn't work on link or elinks | 12:06 |
| Riddell | where would someone find that? | 12:06 |
| Tonio-- | hey Riddell ;) | 12:06 |
| Tonio-- | Riddell: planning to work on dolphin today, as long as I can get my macbook to work as expected | 12:06 |
| Riddell | " ATI Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver 8.37.6"? | 12:06 |
| Tonio-- | the fglrc driver complains the xorg version which changed to 7.1 to 1.3, I guess that's my issue in fact | 12:07 |
| Tonio-- | Riddell: not sure of the version, but that's probably the one yes :) | 12:07 |
| Riddell | erk, 50MB | 12:07 |
| Tonio-- | I know.......... :) | 12:07 |
| Tonio-- | Riddell: I can wget if you give me the direct url | 12:08 |
| sebas | Tonio--: Use vesa :) | 12:08 |
| Tonio-- | hum, irssi can be pretty usefull in some cases :) | 12:08 |
| Tonio-- | sebas: doesn't work...... | 12:08 |
| sebas | huh? | 12:08 |
| Tonio-- | sebas: that's why I'm a bt affraid | 12:08 |
| Tonio-- | sebas:neither vesa, nore ati drivers do work | 12:08 |
| Riddell | https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.37.6-x86.x86_64.run | 12:08 |
| Tonio-- | ati complains there is no screen found | 12:08 |
| Tonio-- | vesa complain there is a screen, but no conf usable | 12:09 |
| sebas | Tonio--: Move your conf out of the way and see if Xorg understands it | 12:09 |
| sebas | It might just work :-) | 12:09 |
| Tonio-- | sebas: move the conf ? | 12:09 |
| sebas | Autodetection stuff should be vastly improved in xorg | 12:09 |
| Tonio-- | delete and start without xorg.conf ? | 12:09 |
| sebas | Yes, start xorg without config file | 12:10 |
| Tonio-- | interesting, testing | 12:10 |
| Tonio-- | fatal error, no screens found | 12:10 |
| sebas | bah | 12:10 |
| Riddell | DVDs oversixed by 400MB | 12:13 |
| Tonio-- | sebas: will test with the latest fglrx, but I'm affraid the problem is just that xorg can't see my screen for some reason | 12:13 |
| Tonio-- | sebas: even the screen detection on dpgk-reconfigure says it fails | 12:13 |
| sebas | Yeah, just wait two years for fglrx to support Xorg 7.3 | 12:13 |
| sebas | Hm, sure it's a fglrx problem? | 12:13 |
| Tonio-- | sebas: how to do in between ? ;) | 12:14 |
| Riddell | don't worry, AMD will have made it free software by then | 12:14 |
| sebas | irssi, elinks and so on | 12:14 |
| Tonio-- | sebas: and why doesn't it work with vesa or ati then ? | 12:14 |
| sebas | Riddell: hehehe :D | 12:14 |
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| sebas | I've talked to Chris Schla:ger (KDE guy, works for that division of AMD): "Dream on" | 12:14 |
| Tonio-- | I don't mind not having fglrx, just a working driver | 12:15 |
| === sebas too. | ||
| Tonio-- | sebas: is gutsy/7.3/ati or vesa supposed to work ? | 12:15 |
| sebas | Compositing support would be nice, powermanagement support mandatory. | 12:15 |
| sebas | vesa should work I think. | 12:15 |
| hunger | sebas: And it should not crash when switching from X to a console and back... the proprietary drivers do that a lot here. | 12:16 |
| sebas | hunger: Yeah, but that's a feature, let's first get the driver stable ;-) | 12:16 |
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| Tonio-- | I just saw that new macbook pros have nvidia :/ | 12:22 |
| Tonio-- | sebas: frustrating | 12:22 |
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| sebas | Tonio--: Hmm | 12:24 |
| sebas | I can't say anything more than "ATI sucks" | 12:24 |
| Riddell | does nvidia not? | 12:25 |
| Tonio-- | sebas: yeah, works with the latest ati hehe | 12:26 |
| Tonio-- | sebas: bad thing, vesa and ati are failing.... | 12:26 |
| mhb | Riddell: how hard is it to code a dialog offering to download non-free codecs, like Amarok has? | 12:26 |
| Riddell | mhb: not hard, see /usr/lib/amarok/install-mp3 | 12:27 |
| mhb | Riddell: people want that in other places, too... k3b, kaffeine, etc. | 12:27 |
| Riddell | ah well, the hard part is the application knowing when and what to download | 12:27 |
| mhb | Riddell: also, for some reason, FLAC audio does not work out-of-the-box | 12:27 |
| mhb | Riddell: cant we guess that from the suffix, if there is no better solution? | 12:28 |
| Riddell | maybe, but it's an upstream issue | 12:29 |
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| Riddell | oh good, Tonio_ has stopped using irc as root :) | 12:29 |
| Tonio_ | ahhhhhhhhhhh that's better :) | 12:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: haha :) | 12:29 |
| Tonio_ | okay so I'm back in the effort, let's move on !!!!!!! | 12:30 |
| mhb | Riddell: somehow upstream could say codec distributing is the distributions issue | 12:30 |
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| Riddell | mhb: but detecting that codec X isn't available and asking for it to be installed is part of the application | 12:34 |
| Riddell | installing it is distro specific of course | 12:35 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: thanks a lot for the link, that helped | 12:36 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: upgrade broke my kdmrc file, I get the userlist now | 12:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is that a known problem ? | 12:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, looks like we need to explicitly hide the userlist in /etc/default/kdm.d/....... | 12:47 |
| Riddell | the user list is ment to be there | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hu ? | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | well the theme isn't really compatible with this | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: will that change ? | 12:48 |
| Riddell | looks fine to me | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: want a screenshot ? | 12:49 |
| Riddell | if you can do one | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: depends the number of users you have :) | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: let me try | 12:49 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: stop me if I'm wrong but we never had the userlist before right ? | 12:56 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: that's right, it's a new feature in tribe 1, we've yet to decide if we want to keep it | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay, but I don't understand how could that fit in the theme, as it depends the number of users | 12:58 |
| Riddell | the box is a fixed size | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | okay so let me check ;) | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | I'm trying to recreate the issue in virtualbox | 12:59 |
| Riddell | http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/preview.png | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | hum that's not what I get at all :) | 01:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: maybe we should consider fixing the dpi on the kdm dialog then | 01:00 |
| Riddell | fdoving: how's your swedish? | 01:02 |
| Riddell | fdoving: what do you make of this? http://kubuntu-se.info | 01:02 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay so in fact my problem is just a problem with the font size on kdm | 01:11 |
| Tonio_ | maybe we should reduce it a bit fo languages that have long words | 01:11 |
| Tonio_ | in fact the username and password fields are going over the "return" image | 01:11 |
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| hunger | Tonio_: DPI on kdm seem fine to me... | 01:16 |
| Riddell | it all depends on your monitor | 01:16 |
| hunger | Tonio_: At least since I added a DisplaySize stanza to my xorg.conf:-) | 01:16 |
| Riddell | or that | 01:17 |
| hunger | Without that kdm is the only qt-based app that has *not* changed its font sizes in gutsy. | 01:17 |
| hunger | Fonts seem to switch between to big and too small at least once per ubuntu-release:-( | 01:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah but we need to find something working on most machines | 01:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: in case of french language, with the size of the userlist, you won't get something nice except with very, very small fonts....... | 01:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the cause is more the long words than the dpi in fact | 01:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: username = nom d'utilisateur | 01:19 |
| Tonio_ | password = mot de passe | 01:19 |
| Tonio_ | here is the issue | 01:20 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: did you set kdm to french automatically? | 01:20 |
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| Riddell | or how did kdm get set to french? | 01:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, dunno, it was automatically in french for me :) | 01:21 |
| Tonio_ | lemme check.... | 01:21 |
| hunger | Tonio_: You could remove the user list again... it is ugly anyway. | 01:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: this isn't something I did myself to be honnest, or I can't remember when | 01:22 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: yeah.........; I'm not fine with this idea | 01:22 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: also lots of softwares are creating users that are not defined as system accounts, like vmware | 01:22 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: the result is just a bloated list in fact | 01:22 |
| hunger | Tonio_: I have about 30 users in that list. It is a big PITA for me. | 01:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: nothing in kdmrc for me | 01:23 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: interesting, I wonder if ubiquity does it for you | 01:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kdm is just translated nativelly here | 01:23 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: grep Language= /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc ? | 01:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I never use ubiquity, always text install | 01:23 |
| Riddell | bah | 01:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no language set | 01:24 |
| Riddell | interesting | 01:24 |
| Riddell | maybe KDM has learned to use the system language | 01:24 |
| Tonio_ | possibly, indeed | 01:24 |
| Riddell | anyway, we can make the box wider if the text labels don't fit | 01:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but that creates an issue with the theme | 01:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: another option indeed | 01:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: in fact the point would probably just to change the "return" button position | 01:25 |
| Tonio_ | more on the right | 01:25 |
| Tonio_ | sad the position can't be relative to the form fields | 01:25 |
| hunger | Riddell: Making the box wider depending on the text is a good idea. | 01:25 |
| hunger | Riddell: My display has 132dpi... which makes the fonts render bigger than the theme authors assumed they will ever become. | 01:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm investigating concerning the kdm translated | 01:26 |
| hunger | bigger as in "using more pixels" | 01:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: btw isn't there a way to in kds in postinst read the system lang and echo it in /etc/default/kdm.d ? | 01:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: to be honnest, my macbook is the only machine ever that I've seen using a translated kdm | 01:28 |
| Tonio_ | all other machines don't, and I don't know how that happened... | 01:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: reading the system language shouldn't be hard in my opinion | 01:28 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I've got a casper bug open for that | 01:29 |
| Riddell | but maybe KDM in 3.5.7 has learnt about the system language | 01:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I had the translation before 3.5.7 | 01:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I think with 3.5.5 | 01:30 |
| Tonio_ | bt that's always been unique with my laptop :/ | 01:30 |
| Tonio_ | I had to force the laguage with 3.5.7 and the french parliament for example | 01:30 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: are you aiding the french parliament installing those kubuntus? :) | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: the project is done in fact :) | 01:32 |
| _StefanS_ | oh | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I did all the desktop implementation, I've been engaged by the company doing this ;) | 01:33 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I find it nice that kubuntu was chosen, it always seems to be ubuntu whenever that sort of thing is going on | 01:33 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: sounds like a great job :) | 01:33 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: yep :) | 01:33 |
| Tonio_ | except it didn't help me to contribute much for kubuntu in fact :) | 01:34 |
| _StefanS_ | no it probably took up alot of your time | 01:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the maintained dolphin branch is on kde svn ? | 01:35 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: it did, pretty much | 01:35 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: worked 80 hours last week for example | 01:35 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: do you know how to change the fonts in xterm btw, ? | 01:36 |
| Tonio_ | 70 hours the week before that | 01:36 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: eeks, hope you get paid well for it ;) | 01:36 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: nope I don't use xterm | 01:36 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: yep, the salary is good btw :) | 01:36 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: it uses those nasty -----font-x-sds (X fonts) layout | 01:36 |
| Tonio_ | argh | 01:36 |
| _StefanS_ | sounds good :) | 01:36 |
| steveire | Hi. I'm following these instructions: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4. I was getting errors similar to this when I tried to run the assistant program: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1550805&postcount=4. I've since run xhost + and now I can run assistant. Shouldn't there be something about xhost in the build page? | 01:36 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: d3lphin? I've no idea | 01:37 |
| Tonio_ | that's the name of the branch ? | 01:37 |
| Tonio_ | ho, it is a fork | 01:37 |
| Tonio_ | still maintained over kde3, interesting | 01:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: in fact d3lphin is a fork of dolphin | 01:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the point is we probably don't want a new package in the repos for this | 01:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'l looking at the diff so that we can patch dolphin to d3lphin | 01:40 |
| steveire | No one? Is xhost the right way to solve that problem> | 01:41 |
| steveire | ? | 01:41 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I agree on no new package | 01:42 |
| Riddell | steveire: #kde4-devel a better place to ask | 01:42 |
| steveire | Riddell: OK. | 01:43 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: confirmed, kdm is in english on the other machine........ | 02:14 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: spooky | 02:14 |
| Tonio_ | vert strange....... I'm trying to switch the language on my system, just to have a look | 02:14 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: got it | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kdm reads /root/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals to get the Language | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ugly :) | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: set the lang using kdesu kcontrol and that'll work | 02:21 |
| Riddell | weird | 02:21 |
| Riddell | and pretty daft | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 02:27 |
| Tonio_ | instead of looking at the system lang.......; stupid | 02:27 |
| Riddell | it shouldn't be hard to fix I'd guess | 02:27 |
| Riddell | can't be that difficult to find the system language | 02:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: where does qt-language-support reads the installed lang ? | 02:29 |
| Tonio_ | s/installed/choosen | 02:30 |
| Riddell | dunno, I didn't write it :) | 02:32 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm looking at the code :) | 02:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it remembers the choosen one, so there is obviously a way to read this :) | 02:33 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: it gets the language from /etc/default/locale, looking at LANG | 02:38 |
| Tonio_ | just gets rid of .UTF-8 and that's it | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | hiya all | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | hrm. someone wants to interview me | 02:38 |
| Tonio_ | hey Hobbsee :) | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 02:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: can't we simply improve qt-language-selector to output a new file in /etc/kdm.d ? | 02:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: better than touching the file for upgrades :) | 02:40 |
| Riddell | wrong place | 02:41 |
| Riddell | we should edit /etc/init.d/kdm | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: /etc/default/kdm.d sorry :) | 02:41 |
| Riddell | add it to the sed lines following genkdmconf | 02:42 |
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| Riddell | no need to set anything in /etc/init.d/kdm, it's already set in /etc/default/locale | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: isn't that better to output a file in /etc/default/kdm.d ? | 02:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: touching a package installed file includes asking questions on upgrade | 02:44 |
| Tonio_ | that's why I wold favor a 30-kdm-lang file outputed by a script that would set the language, no ? | 02:44 |
| Riddell | I don't see the point, it means editing casper, debian-installer and language-installer | 02:45 |
| Riddell | just do it by default, using /etc/default/locale | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | that's what I mean | 02:45 |
| Riddell | and optionally have an option that can be set in /etc/init.d/kdm to not do it | 02:45 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I think you missunderstand me :) | 02:46 |
| Tonio_ | I'm just talking about installing a little bash script in /etc/rcS.d | 02:46 |
| Riddell | whatever for? | 02:47 |
| Tonio_ | that script would run at system boot, reads the lang from /etc/default/locale, and outputs the setting in a /etc/default/kdm.d/30-kdm-lang file | 02:47 |
| Tonio_ | so that the kdm lang is always sync with the system one | 02:47 |
| Tonio_ | isn't that clean ? | 02:47 |
| Tonio_ | can also be done via init.d/kdm btw | 02:47 |
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| Riddell | well you'd still need to edit /etc/init.d/kdm to support it | 02:48 |
| Tonio_ | why ? | 02:48 |
| Riddell | because otherwise it won't support it | 02:48 |
| Riddell | look at /etc/init.d/kdm in gutsy | 02:48 |
| Riddell | it uses genkdmconf to create a new temporary kdmrc and uses sed to edit it | 02:48 |
| Riddell | just add another sed line to use /etc/default/locale | 02:49 |
| Riddell | scripts to echo /etc/default/locale to /etc/default/kdm.d is just another level of complexity | 02:49 |
| Tonio_ | hum..... | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | different opinions :) | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | in my opinion that more simple, but I see your point | 02:50 |
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| Tonio_ | I mean, the /etc/init.d/kdm.d is easilly readable and figurable, more that hiding the feature deeply in initd/kdm | 02:51 |
| Tonio_ | but that's just my opinion :) | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | hi Jucato | 02:52 |
| Riddell | it needs to go into /etc/init.d/kdm.d anyway, hiding the feature in /etc/rcS.d is nasty | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay on that point | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but would you read and override the language directly from init.d/kdm and not write it /etc/default/kdm.d ? | 02:55 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: even if it was in /etc/default/kdm.d, you would of course still need to read and override the language directly from init.d/kdm | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: true | 02:57 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee!!! (got disconnected :( | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the idea is just to make it visible somehow :) | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: btw that /etc/defualt/kdm.d thing is very limited in fact | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | you can override any kdm setting with it....... | 02:58 |
| Riddell | only if you edit init.d/kdm first | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | yep, that's what I see | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but would you read /etc/default/locale from init.d/kdm ? | 02:59 |
| Riddell | yes | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | hum okay let's try this | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and would you sed language directly or would you output it to a 30xxx file ? | 03:00 |
| Riddell | just sed | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | hum okay | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | that wouldn't make it clear to the user where is the value read from :) | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | I would personally locate kdm and find the file | 03:01 |
| Riddell | neither does using a random script to output to /etc/default/kdm.d, that just adds further abstraction | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | that's why I'd like to output it in fact | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: so what about that : | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: reading from init.d/kdm, outputing to etc/default......., then read by kdm again with a sed rule as done for the previous settings | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | just to have the language the same way we hack the theme in fact | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | that's my point | 03:02 |
| Riddell | what's the point? you'd end up with a config file which is overwritten every time kdm starts | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | hum, true that......... | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | okay let's forget this :) | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm working on fixing this | 03:03 |
| Riddell | a file in /etc/default/kdm.d with a value of UseSystemLocale=true (or false) would work | 03:03 |
| Riddell | then check for that and if it's true read from /etc/default/locale | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 03:07 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: did you look at apachelogger's stuff about konqueror.rc files at all? | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | not yet, but I plan too | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: why not simple looking at the LAND env variable ? | 03:08 |
| Riddell | I don't know if LANG is always set | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: should be :) | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | well I'll try that way and read from etc/default if it doesn't work | 03:09 |
| Riddell | if it's set, seems sensible enough to use | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: see kubuntu-restricted-extras | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: cloaks for irc are completely separate to the email thing | 03:25 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: yeah. but Seveas took a leave of absence, so I was wondering who marseillai and _StefanS_ should poke for it | 03:25 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: someone on the impending irc ops council | 03:25 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: then they can authorise a staffer to do it | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | last i checked | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | email is a LP thing, iirc | 03:26 |
| Jucato | ah ok | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | well, canonical, not community | 03:26 |
| Jucato | yeah they got their e-mails :) | 03:26 |
| marseillai | Jucato, for email ? | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | neither is cloaking automatic | 03:26 |
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| Jucato | I thought the e-mail was automatic? oh well.. | 03:26 |
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| Hobbsee | sorry, emial is automatic - cloaking is not | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | as not everyone with memberships wants a cloak | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: you forgot kubuntu-council in your kubuntu teams :P | 03:30 |
| Jucato | hahah yeah sorry :P | 03:31 |
| Jucato | I was reciting from memory my own teams... | 03:31 |
| Jucato | and since I'm not in the council... hehehe | 03:31 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: little problem | 03:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kdmrc doesn't support fr_FR for example | 03:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it uses the output of $LC_LANG | 03:37 |
| Tonio_ | should be "fr" in my case | 03:37 |
| Tonio_ | but that doesn't exist in ubuntu | 03:37 |
| Tonio_ | I can split from $LANG, but how to be sure that'll work for any language ? | 03:38 |
| Riddell | I don't have LC_LANG set | 03:39 |
| Riddell | if it just uses the two letter language code then use that | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: _StefanS_: and marseillai it was? | 03:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: for english it uses 5 letters langs :) | 03:41 |
| Tonio_ | en_US or en_GB for example | 03:41 |
| Tonio_ | I'm just surprised this is different for french | 03:42 |
| Riddell | how complex | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | yep......... | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | I guess the kcontrol very old bug is the same, I just looked and it seems it needs fr and not fr_FR | 03:43 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, the kcontrol bug is different, kdm works with fr_FR | 03:54 |
| Tonio_ | but not kcontrol within kdeglobal :) | 03:54 |
| Tonio_ | stupidly complicated | 03:54 |
| manchicken | wuddup Tonio_? | 04:04 |
| manchicken | Did you see the baby pictures? | 04:04 |
| Tonio_ | hey ;) | 04:09 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: url please ? | 04:09 |
| manchicken | http://blog.notsosoft.net/2007/baby/baby-pictures.html | 04:11 |
| apachelogger | hm | 04:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: [ -n "$USESYSTEMLANG" ] && sed -i "s|^#\?Language=.*|Language=`echo $LANG | awk 'BEGIN { FS = "." } { print $1 }'`|" $KDMCFG | 04:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: works | 04:12 |
| fdoving | Riddell: kubuntu-se.info looks good, not high-traffic though. | 04:12 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: just magic :) | 04:12 |
| manchicken | Tonio_: Isn't it? | 04:12 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: no idea why I used autotools.mk ... shall upload changed version now, or with next upstream release? | 04:12 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: definitly yes :) | 04:12 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 04:12 |
| manchicken | Tonio_: We're very excited. | 04:13 |
| manchicken | We've got about 30 weeks to go though. | 04:13 |
| Tonio_ | :/ | 04:13 |
| Tonio_ | be patient.... | 04:13 |
| manchicken | Yeah. | 04:13 |
| manchicken | Patience isn't one of my strong points. | 04:13 |
| Tonio_ | I have to reboot for a test, seya in 2 minutes :) | 04:13 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: lol | 04:13 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: too late, I've uploaded to archive already :) | 04:15 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: just change it with next upstream release | 04:15 |
| apachelogger | ok, thanks for uploading :) | 04:15 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: don't forget aoeui | 04:15 |
| fdoving | Riddell: at kubuntu-se.info they write "We have started a Swedish forum for Kubuntu. At this time there are no other Swedish Kubuntu forums. We shall give you all the help you need. There is also Ubuntu-Se, with alot of activity." | 04:16 |
| Riddell | nixternal: able to change todays devel meeting from 16:00 to 15:00? | 04:17 |
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| Tonio_ | someone to help me please :) | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | what is the -n test in scripts | 04:42 |
| Riddell | man test | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | "is defined" or "is true" ? | 04:42 |
| Riddell | -n STRING | 04:42 |
| Riddell | the length of STRING is nonzero | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, I should change the test then | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you were right, $LANG isn't defined :) | 04:43 |
| nixternal | Riddell: sure | 04:44 |
| nixternal | 15:00 is the new meeting time | 04:45 |
| Riddell | nixternal: and change that for any future meetings | 04:45 |
| nixternal | roger dodger | 04:46 |
| manchicken | Meeting? | 04:46 |
| Riddell | weekly devel team | 04:47 |
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| manchicken | Righto. | 04:54 |
| Riddell | all welcome of course | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: sure? | 05:02 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: of what? | 05:02 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: that we're all welcome | 05:03 |
| Riddell | of course, everyone with specs is encouraged to come | 05:03 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: ping, did you check up on kio-umountwrapper? | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: not yet, but will do today, don't mind :) | 05:05 |
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| Tonio_ | crimsun: ping ? | 05:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm uploading kdebase and kds to get kdm set to the system lang | 05:21 |
| Riddell | ok | 05:23 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: why k-d-s? | 05:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: to change the 2_kubuntu-default-settings file | 05:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: adding the new parameter set to true | 05:24 |
| Riddell | right | 05:26 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: any idea what bug 44778 is all about? it doesn't say where 'Launch pager' is | 05:27 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 44778 in kubuntu-meta "kpager: 'Launch pager' seems to do nothing" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44778 | 05:27 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: it's in kpager, we just dont install it by default | 05:27 |
| fdoving | Riddell: rightclick on the desktop-selector-applet -> launch pager | 05:29 |
| Riddell | I see it now | 05:30 |
| Riddell | although I don't see why the bug should be milestoned for tribe-2 | 05:30 |
| Hobbsee | because i didnt want to forget it, and figured i'd be doing seed-stuff anyway | 05:30 |
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| nixternal | Hobbsee: if you get a chance, take a look at the kftpgrabber merge...I have requested a sync on it, but there seems to have been edits done to it that were never documented in the changelog..A sync will work, but just need some clarification if possible | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: can you email me about it? | 05:32 |
| nixternal | I don't know, can i? :) | 05:32 |
| fdoving | what is milestoing for anyway? - bugs with solutions posted can't just lay around launchpad and wait for someone to pick them up, i milestone to get them in. | 05:32 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: my head's killing enough that i probably wont remember to look in the morning | 05:32 |
| nixternal | sure, will do now | 05:32 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: subscribe ubuntu-[universe,main] -sponsors as applicable, or poke us | 05:32 |
| bddebian | Heya | 05:32 |
| fdoving | Hobbsee: i'll keep milestoning, it works much better. j/k :) | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | hi bddebian | 05:33 |
| bddebian | Hi Hobbsee | 05:33 |
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| Hobbsee | nixternal: thanks | 05:36 |
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| xerosis | the latest gutsy updates are asking for one of my ssh shares password in the embedded console :/ | 05:39 |
| Riddell | err | 05:39 |
| Riddell | does it say which package is doing that? | 05:39 |
| xerosis | it's at the start of preconfiguring so it doesn't say which | 05:40 |
| xerosis | Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal. << that line is before it though | 05:40 |
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| Tonio_ | fdoving: kio-umountwrapper should be accepted today | 05:56 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: were you planning to package the new amarok yourself? | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: working on dolphin | 06:04 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: thanks :) | 06:05 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I'm planning to make sure it gets packaged | 06:07 |
| Riddell | if someone else wants to do that, it's all good | 06:07 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: right | 06:10 |
| xerosis | Riddell: it was wvdial | 06:10 |
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| Riddell | xerosis: what was? | 06:11 |
| xerosis | Riddell: that was asking for an ssh password | 06:11 |
| Riddell | err, why would it need that? | 06:12 |
| xerosis | Riddell: no idea, i'll file a bug | 06:12 |
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| Riddell | hi freeflying, I heard you bumped in to sladen | 06:23 |
| freeflying | Riddell: yes | 06:24 |
| freeflying | Riddell: he has given a presentation | 06:25 |
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| Riddell | freeflying: did he wear his kubuntu t-shirt? | 06:28 |
| freeflying | Riddell: a debian's and ubuntu's | 06:29 |
| freeflying | :) | 06:29 |
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| freeflying | Riddell: sladen told me you have free kubuntu t-shirt? :) | 06:38 |
| Riddell | to exhibitors yes | 06:38 |
| freeflying | how about our monthly lug meeting? :) | 06:39 |
| Riddell | xerosis_: bug 120427, what makes you think they come from konqueror? | 06:40 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 120427 in kdebase "[Gutsy] Konqueror ldconfig errors" [Undecided,Rejected] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120427 | 06:40 |
| Riddell | freeflying: if you're doing a talk I probably could, would need to check with canonical | 06:41 |
| manchicken | Are we gonna be moving to Amarok2 any time soon? | 06:41 |
| Riddell | manchicken: not before its released | 06:41 |
| freeflying | Riddell: uhmm, np, I can arrange one for kubuntu and kde | 06:41 |
| Riddell | freeflying: which lug is it? | 06:42 |
| freeflying | Riddell: www.beijinglug.org | 06:43 |
| crimsun | Tonio_: pong | 06:45 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: hi ! | 06:46 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: I just noticed that on gutsy the patch you did for the macbook pro seems to be gone | 06:47 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: concerning the sound, sorry :) | 06:47 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: is that wanted or not ? | 06:47 |
| crimsun | yes, we're trying to figure out how to best handle all these variants | 06:47 |
| crimsun | I didn't submit it, because it's not the best way to handle it | 06:47 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: okay, so that's in the work | 06:47 |
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| Tonio_ | okay | 06:47 |
| crimsun | yes, it's on my radar if that's what you were asking | 06:47 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: that's the response I was waiting for :) | 06:48 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: thanks | 06:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: looks like a lot of work to get dolphin correctly integrated | 06:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the missing compatibility with ark and konqueror plugins is a pain..... | 06:50 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: that should be all your packages on revu with a comment on them | 06:54 |
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| apachelogger | Riddell: hehe, thanks :D | 06:54 |
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| apachelogger | oh | 06:55 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: projectm (visualisation used in amarok didn't got a comment :) | 06:55 |
| apachelogger | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5446 | 06:55 |
| apachelogger | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5447 | 06:56 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: it already has two | 06:56 |
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| apachelogger | Riddell: pretty old version that is | 06:57 |
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| Nightrose | Riddell: thx for review | 07:25 |
| Nightrose | I'll change the stuff you mentioned soon | 07:25 |
| Nightrose | and about the .svn-directory - I was told that changing the original tar.rz is bad - but if you want me to delete it no problem | 07:30 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: different people have different opinions. I'd rather tidy upstreams bad tar files, others want not to touch them at all | 07:32 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: although if you do change the .orig file, make sure to document that in the changelog | 07:32 |
| Nightrose | ;-) jea - I didn't like it either - but... | 07:32 |
| Nightrose | ok will do | 07:32 |
| Nightrose | thx | 07:32 |
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| xerosis_ | Riddell: sorry, still learning :) | 07:43 |
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| meven_ | i am trying to build it but can't and in techbase it is not precise about it | 08:27 |
| sebas | "it" is a bit unclear to me. | 08:27 |
| Tm_T | sebas: you know, it | 08:28 |
| meven_ | kde4 | 08:28 |
| sebas | So what's unclear in techbase? | 08:28 |
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| meven_ | i think my first message did not arrived | 08:28 |
| meven_ | about kde4 where is located the makeobj program | 08:28 |
| Riddell | I fine the techbase tutorial hard to follow (have to create a new user, large edits to .bashrc) | 08:28 |
| Tm_T | it is bit tricky yes | 08:29 |
| meven_ | is there any other then | 08:29 |
| sebas | Once you get the hang of it, it's easy ;-) | 08:29 |
| meven_ | easy to say for you :P | 08:29 |
| sebas | meven_: At which step are you? | 08:30 |
| meven_ | so anyone has a clue just about the cmakeobj command first i tried the tutorial i didn't have this problem | 08:30 |
| meven_ | building dbus | 08:30 |
| sebas | You can install dbus packages, you know? | 08:31 |
| fdoving | you don't need to build dbus and cmake | 08:31 |
| meven_ | i a hava the alias make=makeobj | 08:31 |
| sebas | Works well on feisty | 08:31 |
| Riddell | meven_: it's in here http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Increased_Productivity_in_KDE4_with_Scripts/.bashrc | 08:31 |
| fdoving | i guess techbase is wrong on the qt and kubuntu part. | 08:31 |
| fdoving | you need qt-copy svn. | 08:31 |
| meven_ | ok | 08:31 |
| meven_ | but later i will have to use makeobj ? | 08:31 |
| fdoving | oh, they have a note about it now. then it's all fine. | 08:31 |
| Riddell | I don't use that bashrc myself, I just use make | 08:32 |
| fdoving | meven_: makeobj is in the 'kdesdk-scripts' package. | 08:32 |
| fdoving | Riddell: cs and cb are nice aliases/functions. | 08:32 |
| sebas | Riddell: This is aliasing make to makeobj, not the other way round | 08:32 |
| Riddell | "If you don't have makeobj, install the package named kdesdk-scripts" | 08:33 |
| sebas | Right :) | 08:33 |
| meven_ | ok thX | 08:33 |
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| marseillai | wich player is install by default in kubuntu to play embedded video in konqueror ? | 09:07 |
| Riddell | which version of kubuntu? | 09:08 |
| Riddell | kmplayer in feisty, kaffeine in gutsy | 09:11 |
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| bonbonthejon | why is kicker restarting/redrawing every so often in gutsy | 09:13 |
| _StefanS_ | bonbonthejon: I think thats a common kde3 problem.. related to qt3 I was told by someone | 09:13 |
| _StefanS_ | bonbonthejon: something about the nature of (re)drawing widgets | 09:13 |
| bonbonthejon | aye, I wasn't worried, just wanted to know if that was a common event | 09:14 |
| marseillai | thanks Riddell so kaffeine is my answer | 09:14 |
| _StefanS_ | bonbonthejon: it is common, but it seems like some tray icons upset the kicker more than others (probably forcing some redrawing events) | 09:15 |
| bonbonthejon | ok | 09:15 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: hey I just figured out I have to patch kdelibs/kpassdlg to make wtype_popup available for KpasswordDialog (shouldn't be too difficult), but the popup window is required for the fade to work, and make the window visible | 09:17 |
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| === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | Tribe 1 released! | ||
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| crimsun | man, Glade is uh, weird after working with Qt Designer | 11:32 |
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