[12:23] manchicken: soooooo we aren't going to hear it? [12:29] man i love buffalo wings === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.120.127] has joined #kubuntu-devel === wsjunior [n=wsjunior@unaffiliated/wsjunior] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:57] gonnae someone merge kftpgrabber === jjesse [n=jjesse@72-255-23-237.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-124.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:09] Riddell: taking a look at kftpgrabber right now === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@72-255-23-237.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:19] hmmm wind stopped outside, bet that means the storms are on the way === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [02:35] slow night tonight :) [02:54] Riddell: requested sync for kftpgrabber - they included our patch [02:54] very slow night tonight [02:54] jjesse: you guys getting storms over there? [02:54] supposed to [02:54] but they passed [02:54] :( [02:54] hehe [02:54] i like thunderstorms [02:54] I hate when that happens [02:54] you work yourself up for a good storm, and it passes you by [02:54] especailly cause they are comming from the east to the west [02:54] instead of the normal route [02:54] those are the good ones [02:55] especially when they meet the lake [02:55] i think deal or no deal is one of the dumbest shows on tvb [02:55] the people are retarted [02:56] haha [02:56] I don't think I would take the deal [02:56] they give up like 500k and lose everything [02:56] I would go all the way until the end [02:56] if I come home with a dollar, hey that is all I was meant to have [02:56] hah you would be one of those i would laugh at === xerosis would deal first offer [02:56] lol [02:57] has anyone won the million yet? === huahua [n=huahua@60.20.58.41] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:57] i don't think so === yuriy [n=yuriy@207-172-67-143.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=alteroo@port0002-abm-static-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:43] http://wubuntu.weejewel.net/ [03:46] whats' that? [03:48] web Ubuntu [03:48] heh [03:48] Jucato: did you ping me the other day? [03:48] jjesse: yeah. about your FS View question on kubuntu-devel [03:48] oh [03:48] anyway, replied to the mailing list :) [03:48] oh cool [03:48] DaSkreech: i get a time out to that wubuntu page [03:48] Hmm [03:48] It worked earlier [03:48] guess it got dotted [03:48] Timeout on server [03:48] Connection was to wubuntu.weejewel.net at port 80 [03:49] it might be suffering from ubuntuforums.org effect :) [03:50] Jucato: was it you who showed me launchy for windows? [03:50] cause i'm really liking it [03:50] jjesse: yesssss. :) [03:50] i really like it [03:51] hehe I like it too. although I'm not on Windows most of the time nowadays === apokryphos [i=apokryph@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:52] enso [03:52] not really [03:53] I mean it's a lot like Katapult but w/ the things I like :) [03:53] agreed [03:53] 1) multiple hits 2) themeable === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:03] katapult technically is themable :) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:04] Hobbsee!!! [04:05] heya [04:05] technically is not the same as easily :) [04:05] hi Hobbsee! [04:06] you didn't say easily :) === Hobbsee eeks === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.123.201] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato acks Hobbsee's eek === Hobbsee has an exam today... [04:08] Does it involve a plastic cup? [04:08] dont think so === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.100.249] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:11] do you ever look at the clock and go holy crap what did i just do for the last 30 minutes [04:11] grrr!!! I just hate it when a book's index doesn't match the pages :/ [04:12] Like google's cache [04:12] jjesse: no. I go "holy krap what did I just do for the last 2 hours" [04:12] lol [04:12] jjesse: yeah. every night. [04:12] DaSkreech: for a C++ book, an index is essential :( [04:12] i think its worse when i travel cause then i just turn on the tv and forget what i'm doing [04:13] me? everyday... by night I don't look at the clock anymore... [04:13] I only notice the time when my eyes begin to droop... [04:13] Jucato: i do that, and it becomes 6am. i was *going* to get better after UDS, and it just got worse. [04:14] thats a bummer [04:14] timezones suck... have to adjust everytime... [04:15] just a reminder never try to download an 8 gig file over hotel internet [04:15] I'm glad my country sits on only one tz :D [04:15] Jucato: what is "your country" [04:15] philippines [04:15] (never heard? :D) [04:15] didn't remember [04:15] hehe [04:15] Really? [04:15] it's my country! mine!! [04:15] all hail king Jucato [04:16] ok time to go back to access specifiers... [04:17] king Jucato trembles before Queen Hobbsee of the Pointy Sticks [04:17] hehe [04:18] Darn you Hobbsee. open source your pointy sticks!! [04:18] why? [04:19] We all want to share in them :-( It's not fun having all the power in one well made fist [04:21] haha [04:21] dream on [04:22] lol! now I know why QObject::connect is called like that :) [04:22] oops sorry :) [04:28] DaSkreech: it's no fun if you all have pointy sticks too. [04:28] oh no [04:28] we would contribute to your pointiness :) === n8k99 would stop being so blunt [04:38] See? It's a charitable work! [04:38] haha [04:38] but it's fun poking people, and i cant do that if they're pointy stick enabled too... [04:39] !Hobbsee [04:39] I phear the stick so shhhhh [04:39] beware Hobbsee... too much poking with your point stick will eventually lead to more piercing than poking... :/ [04:39] Jucato: er, i found that out at UDS actually... [04:40] O.o === Hobbsee was using some of the toothpicks to poke people. [04:41] lol [04:41] at the palace [04:41] well, it's pointy and a stick... but not long... hence it didn't work as planned :) [04:41] still very sharp, though. [04:42] especially if you have a helper [04:42] oooh maybe you should add "sharp" to "long pointy stick" :D [04:42] so then there are *two* poking [04:42] hehe [04:42] i sometimes do - the Sharp Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [04:42] hahah! === n8k99 crawls into an abandonned tortoise shell [04:43] tortoisesvn ? [04:44] KTurtle [04:45] that's a turtle that's different === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A725DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-017-170.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:16] nixternal: funny you should mention that.... bug 120312 :D [05:16] Launchpad bug 120312 in ktorrent "Sponsor: KTorrent 2.2~rc1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120312 [05:16] bwahaha === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@72-255-23-237.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.120.127] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:02] nixternal: looks like what you predicted about Linspire might become a reality... [06:02] nixternal is a witch! Burn him! === apacheLAGger [n=me@N949P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:23] muhahha [06:36] Since I'm obvioulsy not going to bed now I'll just hit up my good frined commit-digest [06:38] hehe === ScottK-laptop [n=kitterma@12.198.1.130] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:38] well, someone needs to hit up the kftgrabber sync [06:38] right ScottK-laptop ? [06:38] ;p [06:38] perfect timing I tell you [06:38] jjesse_: Kubuntu Docs: any ideas for Gutsy? I think all we need to do is build up what we already have [06:40] Well done scotty! === ScottK-laptop [n=kitterma@12.198.1.130] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:42] nixternal: Won't it sync automatically? [06:42] nixternal: Tell me where to find the Gutsy New queue in LP and I'll look at it. I don't have it bookmarked on my laptop and I can't find it for the life of me... [06:42] dunno, does it? [06:43] It doesn't have an Ubuntu unique revision. Are we past auto syncing in the sched? I haven't looked lately. === ScottK-laptop looks [06:43] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kftpgrabber/+bug/120300 [06:43] Launchpad bug 120300 in kftpgrabber "Please synce kftpgrabber (0.8.1-1) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [06:44] I don't know, Riddell asked for someone to do a merge, but Debian is using our Kubuntu patch so we can drop Kubuntu changes [06:44] so since they are doing the patch now, we can just sync it [06:45] nixternal: OK. I looked at it wrong before, it does have an Ubuntu unique revision. My bad. === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@72.165.117.168] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:45] it did have one === ScottK2 [n=kitterma@12.198.1.130] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:50] Stupid Hotel internet connection. I'm looking at the sync. [06:52] nixternal: doc something for me :) [06:52] DaSkreech: what's up? [06:53] nixternal: find out what the hekk kgrab is and do a writeup on your blog :) [06:53] kgrab...never heard of it [06:54] Me either [06:54] and neither has google ... much [06:55] but I'm hearing it's all that with a side of ksnapshot and katpult goodness [06:56] well, from what I am reading on kde-core-devel (2006-09-06) it is just ksnapshot so far w/o all of the buttons [06:58] nixternal or anyone who knows: I could do with a link to the NEW queue in LP... [06:58] hehe [07:02] hrmm...I am unfamiliar with the new queue [07:06] nixternal: Bug #120300 was more complicated than you thought. [07:06] Launchpad bug 120300 in kftpgrabber "Please synce kftpgrabber (0.8.1-1) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120300 === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK-laptop [07:08] ScottK-laptop: but those weren't ubuntu changes [07:08] if they were, they were never addressed [07:08] I think the reason between the changes is because the amount of time that has lapsed between our last merge and the 2 or 3 updates that Debian did [07:09] nixternal: I think the changelog that alegedly showed the remaining Ubuntu changes was radically wrong. [07:10] nixternal: In particular I'm worried about the build-dep differences not being addressed. [07:10] well, the only other change that was in the log was removing libgamin [07:11] All the changes in /debian should be documented either in the Debian or Ubuntu debian/changelog, so it looks to me like somebody hasn't been documenting all their changes. [07:11] kdelibs4-dev is correct [07:11] I would say that would be Debian and not us..I hope === ScottK-laptop downloaded both packages and debdiffed them. I'd suggest doing that and going through it. [07:13] As I understand the process, when you say it's safe to sync over the Ubuntu diff, you have to address all of the differences. [07:18] hrmm [07:18] this is a mess [07:19] nixternal: Yes it is. [07:19] no debian/control differences between debian's 0.8.0-0 and 0.8.1-1 [07:19] nixternal: I debdiffed the latest Debian and Ubuntu releases and it looked ugly. [07:20] ya, I just did the same [07:20] well the debian/ portion at least [07:20] I would like to know why debian/control changes were made and not documented [07:20] nixternal: Right. That's all that counts since the upstream version is different [07:20] and the upstream version is also correct [07:21] nixternal: Agreed it's be nice to know why (actually who so we can ask Ms. LongPointyStick to pay them a visit). === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db442c0.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:21] if we merge this, all it does it continue on with the nastiness and the broken merges in the future [07:22] nixternal: The right answer is to go through the differences in /debian and either drop them or document them so whoever gets to it next clearly knows what's up. [07:23] to document them as drops, in the changelog add a section like [Richard A. Johnson] above fboudra's changes? === ScottK-laptop looks [07:25] nixternal: Do it just like a merge where you make kftpgrabber (0.8.1-1ubuntu1) [07:28] and then the next release we can sync? [07:28] hopefully [07:28] nixternal: If you get through it all and decide nothing needs to be kept, then maybe this one can be a sync, it just needs to be evalutated and documented (in the bug for a sync and in the changelog for a merge). [07:28] well I can tell you now nothing needs to be kept [07:28] nixternal: Then in that case update the sync bug to describe all the differences and say it's OK to sync over them. [07:28] roger that === nixternal gets to grep'n [07:28] You'll need to resub UUS once that's done. [07:28] k === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _marseillais [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse__ [n=jjesse@72-255-23-237.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sahin_w [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:03] <_StefanS_> mornings [09:05] afternoons :) [09:05] <_marseillais> hi [09:06] <_StefanS_> :) [09:06] <_StefanS_> so whats up ? [09:06] I'm up now :) === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:06] (from an afternoon nap :P) [09:07] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well one's gotta sleep sometime.. My girl woke up this morning at 6:00... too bad when you're not really in bed until after midnight [09:07] <_StefanS_> Jucato: gets you after a while ;) [09:07] hehe :) === Jucato yawns... [09:08] _StefanS_: How old is your girl? [09:08] I do need to control my sleeping habits though... [09:08] <_StefanS_> ScottK-laptop: just 10 months :) [09:08] <_StefanS_> ScottK-laptop: another one coming in ~2 months (boy) [09:08] _StefanS_: Ah. My youngest is 4, so I can still remember. === _StefanS_ feels he will get busy [09:08] Oh wow. [09:08] and tired [09:09] <_StefanS_> ScottK-laptop: hehe yea, well we want them to be close [09:09] eheh :) === Jucato is lucky... for now... :) [09:09] <_StefanS_> ScottK-laptop: hopefully they will get alot from eachother [09:09] new-generation hackers. [09:09] :) [09:09] 'morning guys [09:09] <_StefanS_> hehe [09:09] bruises, cuts, concussions. [09:10] And then they'll be great friends after they are adults [09:10] that never happened with me and my sis... (4 years apart) [09:10] <_StefanS_> ScottK-laptop: oh yes, she's just started to pull herself up on her feet on just about any occasion, and she hit something and got nosebleed [09:10] we're like cats and dogs... [09:10] <_StefanS_> ScottK-laptop: hopefully.. === _StefanS_ boots his gutsy vm to check for new stuff.. [09:11] My wife has the theory that the more they fight as children, the more likely they are to get along as adults [09:11] <_StefanS_> ScottK-laptop: sounds interesting; never heard that one before :) [09:12] <_StefanS_> hmm I'm looking for a good firewall package for ubuntu so I can retire my soekris firewall [09:12] <_StefanS_> anyone know of one? === ScottK-laptop just has iptables rules. [09:13] Do you really need one? [09:13] <_StefanS_> uhm.. [09:13] <_StefanS_> no but I'm lazy, and used to gui/web interface.. [09:13] <_StefanS_> maybe I should just use webmin === ScottK-laptop doesn't bother on desktops, only on internet exposed servers [09:13] <_StefanS_> and iptables ofcourse [09:14] <_StefanS_> its for my server.. [09:14] Ah [09:14] Once you get a decent iptables script setup, it really doesn't take a lot of maintenance. [09:14] <_StefanS_> got a nice mini-itx core duo 2.16 ghzin a nexus psile case [09:14] <_StefanS_> right, I just want to save my electric bill, and the cpu in the soekris box is only a 266mhz geode [09:14] <_StefanS_> not good for QoS .. === |sahin_w| [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t is now known as hunger [09:52] <_marseillais> _StefanS_, do you allready have your @ubuntu.com mail ? [09:52] <_StefanS_> _marseillais: nope, how do I get it? [09:52] <_marseillais> if i've well understand it should come alone [09:52] _StefanS_: er... [09:52] you didn't get a cloak yet even... [09:52] <_marseillais> but nothing yet [09:52] <_StefanS_> Jucato: right.. [09:52] you have to join the LP team first [09:53] then the email comes about 24 hours later or less [09:53] <_StefanS_> Jucato: hmm didn't know that [09:53] more or less [09:53] <_StefanS_> looking.. [09:53] <_StefanS_> got a link for the launchpad team? [09:53] <_marseillais> Jucato, wich lp team? [09:54] kubuntu-members [09:54] <_marseillais> Jucato, i'm in this team since more than a week now [09:54] hm...? [09:55] _marseillais: did you try to send to @ubuntu.com? [09:55] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I'm already member of kubuntu-team->ubuntu-team, isn't that enough [09:55] _marseillais: it just worked for me [09:55] oh yeah, you don't get any notification. [09:56] _StefanS_: I don't think so. you need to be part of ubuntumembers, which you are automatically joined to if you join kubuntu-members === Lure_ is now known as Lure [09:56] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well thats what I meant :) [09:57] <_StefanS_> great, now my providers smtp is down [09:57] er... kubuntu-members is different from kubuntu-team :) [09:57] <_StefanS_> oh [09:57] <_marseillais> arf [09:57] <_marseillais> i'm stupid [09:58] hm... but who do you poke now for the cloak, now that Seveas is gone? :/ [09:58] hm.... [09:58] <_marseillais> i was trying marseillai@ubuntu.com [09:58] <_marseillais> could someone poke me at cyrilb856@ubuntu.com ??? [09:58] <_StefanS_> Jucato: seems like kubuntu-members makes you indirect of kubuntu-team [09:58] <_StefanS_> _marseillais: I'll try [09:58] <_StefanS_> _marseillais: sent it [09:58] <_marseillais> thx [09:59] _StefanS_: I guess so... the whole hierarchy of LP teams still has me confused [09:59] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yes... someone has over structured the lp pages I think.. [09:59] <_StefanS_> K.I.S.S.. [09:59] <_StefanS_> hey the email works [09:59] there's kubuntu-users, kubuntu-team, kubuntu-members, and-god-knows-what-other-kubuntu-teams [09:59] <_StefanS_> _marseillais: got yours also [09:59] <_marseillais> :) thx Lure and _StefanS_ [10:00] <_marseillais> :) [10:00] now all you need is the cloak :) [10:00] maybe nalioth is the guy to poke for this now [10:00] <_StefanS_> Jucato: maybe you should just join [a-z] ubuntu-.* ? [10:00] [a-z] buntu* actually [10:00] (ubuntumembers doesn't have a '-') [10:00] <_StefanS_> Jucato: [a-z] ubuntu.* [10:01] ah ok :) [10:01] <_StefanS_> Jucato: dont you know your regexes ;) [10:01] my regex sucks :) [10:01] <_StefanS_> . all chars [10:01] duh! obviously :P [10:01] <_StefanS_> Jucato: are you getting somewhere in the c++ world? [10:01] yeah. progressing quite a bit. decided to skip recursion for a later day/week/month/year :P [10:02] getting a bit deeper into classes now [10:02] <_StefanS_> sounds good.. [10:02] <_StefanS_> I sort of reading on the subclassing stuff [10:02] this book seems to have an obsession with const... [10:03] const int * cont ptr.... const on almost everything that can be const'ed [10:05] <_StefanS_> uhm ok.. didn't really notice anything like that in my book(s) [10:06] heh :) [10:06] yeah this book emphasizes on "principle of least privilege" as a good software engineering practice... [10:06] maybe I'm just new... but seeing const on almost every line in a class definition seems quite.. um... funny :) [10:07] <_StefanS_> just ignore it :) - the whole of c++ is alot about structure that tends to be the same all the time [10:07] <_StefanS_> like java... [10:08] I didn't see much const's in KDE code.. so yeah, might put it in the backburner for a while [10:11] <_marseillais> second question [10:11] <_marseillais> who has time to revu my katchtv package? === Jucato prepares for the 2nd round [10:12] <_marseillais> Jucato, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5494 :p [10:13] ah ok.. can't help there :P === Jucato points _marseillais to Lure or someone else :) [10:14] _marseillais: sorry no time today (probably until weekend... :-( [10:14] aw... :/ === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.113.139] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: show me the money!!! [10:42] <_StefanS_> :D [10:43] yo ! [10:43] okay let's go with the patches [10:43] I have penty of patches to upload :) === _marseillais is now known as marseillai [11:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sounds good ? What is it? [11:07] ark, fixes several bugs [11:07] kdebase, correct the usplash on shutdown [11:08] a few changes in kds structure [11:08] and other things [11:08] and I have to make a point on kdesudo [11:08] fdoving: I'll check the status of umountwrapper [11:08] but first I'm switching to gtsy [11:08] pray for me :) [11:09] Riddell: I'll work on dolphin today too :) [11:09] Riddell: thanks for the MIR that'll help [11:10] also I'll have internet at home within a week, so I'll be finally active for the end of the dev cycle === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@72-255-23-237.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: http://beta1.suse.com/private/hschaa/knetworkmanager/ === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [11:33] _StefanS_: grat ! [11:33] +e [11:34] pffffffff lots of work today :) [11:34] <_StefanS_> if the rc is without bugs, it will be released very soon [11:34] I also have to work on dolphin :) [11:34] _StefanS_: I'll work on the packaging today :) [11:34] <_StefanS_> sweet :) [11:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hows networkmanager 0.6.5 coming for gutsy? [11:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: cause it wont work without it :) [11:36] _StefanS_: I'll check ;) [11:37] finished the update, rebooting........ pray for me :) === root__ [n=root@81.185.113.139] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:04] anyone there ? === root__ is now known as Tonio-- [12:05] I just switched to gutsy and there is a HUDGE problem with xorg :) [12:05] tsk tsk [12:05] no way to detect my screen, with fglrx, ati or even vesa driver.... [12:05] I need someone to please download the latest radeon drier on ati and send it to me [12:06] the form to download doesn't work on link or elinks [12:06] where would someone find that? [12:06] hey Riddell ;) [12:06] Riddell: planning to work on dolphin today, as long as I can get my macbook to work as expected [12:06] " ATI Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver 8.37.6"? [12:07] the fglrc driver complains the xorg version which changed to 7.1 to 1.3, I guess that's my issue in fact [12:07] Riddell: not sure of the version, but that's probably the one yes :) [12:07] erk, 50MB [12:07] I know.......... :) [12:08] Riddell: I can wget if you give me the direct url [12:08] Tonio--: Use vesa :) [12:08] hum, irssi can be pretty usefull in some cases :) [12:08] sebas: doesn't work...... [12:08] huh? [12:08] sebas: that's why I'm a bt affraid [12:08] sebas:neither vesa, nore ati drivers do work [12:08] https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.37.6-x86.x86_64.run [12:08] ati complains there is no screen found [12:09] vesa complain there is a screen, but no conf usable [12:09] Tonio--: Move your conf out of the way and see if Xorg understands it [12:09] It might just work :-) [12:09] sebas: move the conf ? [12:09] Autodetection stuff should be vastly improved in xorg [12:09] delete and start without xorg.conf ? [12:10] Yes, start xorg without config file [12:10] interesting, testing [12:10] fatal error, no screens found [12:10] bah [12:13] DVDs oversixed by 400MB [12:13] sebas: will test with the latest fglrx, but I'm affraid the problem is just that xorg can't see my screen for some reason [12:13] sebas: even the screen detection on dpgk-reconfigure says it fails [12:13] Yeah, just wait two years for fglrx to support Xorg 7.3 [12:13] Hm, sure it's a fglrx problem? [12:14] sebas: how to do in between ? ;) [12:14] don't worry, AMD will have made it free software by then [12:14] irssi, elinks and so on [12:14] sebas: and why doesn't it work with vesa or ati then ? [12:14] Riddell: hehehe :D === hunger read about free drivers for the R500 chips from ATI. [12:14] I've talked to Chris Schla:ger (KDE guy, works for that division of AMD): "Dream on" [12:15] I don't mind not having fglrx, just a working driver === sebas too. [12:15] sebas: is gutsy/7.3/ati or vesa supposed to work ? [12:15] Compositing support would be nice, powermanagement support mandatory. [12:15] vesa should work I think. [12:16] sebas: And it should not crash when switching from X to a console and back... the proprietary drivers do that a lot here. [12:16] hunger: Yeah, but that's a feature, let's first get the driver stable ;-) === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pochu [n=emilio@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:22] I just saw that new macbook pros have nvidia :/ [12:22] sebas: frustrating === pochu [n=emilio@ubuntu/member/pochu] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [12:24] Tonio--: Hmm [12:24] I can't say anything more than "ATI sucks" [12:25] does nvidia not? [12:26] sebas: yeah, works with the latest ati hehe [12:26] sebas: bad thing, vesa and ati are failing.... [12:26] Riddell: how hard is it to code a dialog offering to download non-free codecs, like Amarok has? [12:27] mhb: not hard, see /usr/lib/amarok/install-mp3 [12:27] Riddell: people want that in other places, too... k3b, kaffeine, etc. [12:27] ah well, the hard part is the application knowing when and what to download [12:27] Riddell: also, for some reason, FLAC audio does not work out-of-the-box [12:28] Riddell: cant we guess that from the suffix, if there is no better solution? [12:29] maybe, but it's an upstream issue === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.113.139] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:29] oh good, Tonio_ has stopped using irc as root :) [12:29] ahhhhhhhhhhh that's better :) [12:29] Riddell: haha :) [12:30] okay so I'm back in the effort, let's move on !!!!!!! [12:30] Riddell: somehow upstream could say codec distributing is the distributions issue === mhb shuts up [12:34] mhb: but detecting that codec X isn't available and asking for it to be installed is part of the application [12:35] installing it is distro specific of course === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ rebooting to finish the installation and works... [12:36] Riddell: thanks a lot for the link, that helped === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.113.139] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:46] Riddell: upgrade broke my kdmrc file, I get the userlist now [12:46] Riddell: is that a known problem ? [12:47] Riddell: hum, looks like we need to explicitly hide the userlist in /etc/default/kdm.d/....... [12:48] the user list is ment to be there [12:48] Riddell: hu ? [12:48] well the theme isn't really compatible with this [12:48] Riddell: will that change ? [12:48] looks fine to me [12:49] Riddell: want a screenshot ? [12:49] if you can do one [12:49] Riddell: depends the number of users you have :) [12:49] Riddell: let me try === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:56] Riddell: stop me if I'm wrong but we never had the userlist before right ? [12:58] Tonio_: that's right, it's a new feature in tribe 1, we've yet to decide if we want to keep it [12:58] Riddell: okay, but I don't understand how could that fit in the theme, as it depends the number of users [12:58] the box is a fixed size [12:59] okay so let me check ;) [12:59] I'm trying to recreate the issue in virtualbox [12:59] http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/preview.png [01:00] hum that's not what I get at all :) [01:00] Riddell: maybe we should consider fixing the dpi on the kdm dialog then [01:02] fdoving: how's your swedish? [01:02] fdoving: what do you make of this? http://kubuntu-se.info === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.113.139] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:11] Riddell: okay so in fact my problem is just a problem with the font size on kdm [01:11] maybe we should reduce it a bit fo languages that have long words [01:11] in fact the username and password fields are going over the "return" image === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:16] Tonio_: DPI on kdm seem fine to me... [01:16] it all depends on your monitor [01:16] Tonio_: At least since I added a DisplaySize stanza to my xorg.conf:-) [01:17] or that [01:17] Without that kdm is the only qt-based app that has *not* changed its font sizes in gutsy. [01:18] Fonts seem to switch between to big and too small at least once per ubuntu-release:-( [01:18] Riddell: yeah but we need to find something working on most machines [01:18] Riddell: in case of french language, with the size of the userlist, you won't get something nice except with very, very small fonts....... [01:19] Riddell: the cause is more the long words than the dpi in fact [01:19] Riddell: username = nom d'utilisateur [01:19] password = mot de passe [01:20] here is the issue [01:20] Tonio_: did you set kdm to french automatically? === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [01:21] or how did kdm get set to french? [01:21] Riddell: hum, dunno, it was automatically in french for me :) [01:21] lemme check.... [01:21] Tonio_: You could remove the user list again... it is ugly anyway. [01:22] Riddell: this isn't something I did myself to be honnest, or I can't remember when [01:22] hunger: yeah.........; I'm not fine with this idea [01:22] hunger: also lots of softwares are creating users that are not defined as system accounts, like vmware [01:22] hunger: the result is just a bloated list in fact [01:23] Tonio_: I have about 30 users in that list. It is a big PITA for me. [01:23] Riddell: nothing in kdmrc for me [01:23] Tonio_: interesting, I wonder if ubiquity does it for you [01:23] Riddell: kdm is just translated nativelly here [01:23] Tonio_: grep Language= /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc ? [01:23] Riddell: I never use ubiquity, always text install [01:23] bah [01:24] Riddell: no language set [01:24] interesting [01:24] maybe KDM has learned to use the system language [01:24] possibly, indeed [01:24]