[12:23] <DaSkreech> manchicken: soooooo we aren't going to hear it?
[12:29] <jjesse> man i love buffalo wings
[01:57] <Riddell> gonnae someone merge kftpgrabber
[02:09] <nixternal> Riddell: taking a look at kftpgrabber right now
[02:19] <jjesse_> hmmm wind stopped outside, bet that means the storms are on the way
[02:35] <jjesse> slow night tonight :)
[02:54] <nixternal> Riddell: requested sync for kftpgrabber - they included our patch
[02:54] <nixternal> very slow night tonight
[02:54] <nixternal> jjesse: you guys getting storms over there?
[02:54] <jjesse> supposed to
[02:54] <jjesse> but they passed
[02:54] <jjesse> :(
[02:54] <nixternal> hehe
[02:54] <jjesse> i like thunderstorms
[02:54] <nixternal> I hate when that happens
[02:54] <nixternal> you work yourself up for a good storm, and it passes you by
[02:54] <jjesse> especailly cause they are comming from the east to the west
[02:54] <jjesse> instead of the normal route
[02:54] <nixternal> those are the good ones
[02:55] <nixternal> especially when they meet the lake
[02:55] <jjesse> i think deal or no deal is one of the dumbest shows on tvb
[02:55] <jjesse> the people are retarted
[02:56] <nixternal> haha
[02:56] <nixternal> I don't think I would take the deal
[02:56] <jjesse> they give up like 500k and lose everything
[02:56] <nixternal> I would go all the way until the end
[02:56] <nixternal> if I come home with a dollar, hey that is all I was meant to have
[02:56] <jjesse> hah you would be one of those i would laugh at
[02:56] <nixternal> lol
[02:57] <nixternal> has anyone won the million yet?
[02:57] <jjesse> i don't think so
[03:43] <DaSkreech> http://wubuntu.weejewel.net/
[03:46] <jjesse> whats' that?
[03:48] <DaSkreech> web Ubuntu
[03:48] <Jucato> heh
[03:48] <jjesse> Jucato: did you ping me the other day?
[03:48] <Jucato> jjesse: yeah. about your FS View question on kubuntu-devel
[03:48] <jjesse> oh
[03:48] <Jucato> anyway, replied to the mailing list :)
[03:48] <jjesse> oh  cool
[03:48] <jjesse> DaSkreech: i get a time out to that wubuntu page
[03:48] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[03:48] <DaSkreech> It worked earlier
[03:48] <DaSkreech> guess it got dotted
[03:48] <jjesse> Timeout on server
[03:48] <jjesse>  Connection was to wubuntu.weejewel.net at port 80
[03:49] <Jucato> it might be suffering from ubuntuforums.org effect :)
[03:50] <jjesse> Jucato: was it you who showed me launchy for windows?
[03:50] <jjesse> cause i'm really liking it
[03:50] <Jucato> jjesse: yesssss. :)
[03:50] <jjesse> i really like it
[03:51] <Jucato> hehe I like it too. although I'm not on Windows most of the time nowadays
[03:52] <DaSkreech> enso
[03:52] <Jucato> not really
[03:53] <Jucato> I mean it's a lot like Katapult but w/ the things I like :)
[03:53] <jjesse> agreed
[03:53] <Jucato> 1) multiple hits 2) themeable
[04:03] <DaSkreech> katapult technically is themable :)
[04:04] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee!!!
[04:05] <Hobbsee> heya
[04:05] <Jucato> technically is not the same as easily :)
[04:05] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[04:06] <DaSkreech> you didn't say easily :)
[04:08] <DaSkreech> Does it involve a plastic cup?
[04:08] <Hobbsee> dont think so
[04:11] <jjesse> do you ever look at the clock and go holy crap what did i just do for the last 30 minutes
[04:11] <Jucato> grrr!!! I just hate it when a book's index doesn't match the pages :/
[04:12] <DaSkreech> Like google's cache
[04:12] <Jucato> jjesse: no. I go "holy krap what did I just do for the last 2 hours"
[04:12] <jjesse> lol
[04:12] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yeah.  every night.
[04:12] <Jucato> DaSkreech: for a C++ book, an index is essential :(
[04:12] <jjesse> i think its worse when i travel cause then i just turn on the tv and forget what i'm doing
[04:13] <Jucato> me? everyday... by night I don't look at the clock anymore...
[04:13] <Jucato> I only notice the time when my eyes begin to droop...
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i do that, and it becomes 6am.  i was *going* to get better after UDS, and it just got worse.
[04:14] <jjesse> thats a bummer
[04:14] <Jucato> timezones suck... have to adjust everytime...
[04:15] <jjesse> just a reminder never try to download an 8 gig file over hotel internet
[04:15] <Jucato> I'm glad my country sits on only one tz :D
[04:15] <jjesse> Jucato: what is "your country"
[04:15] <Jucato> philippines
[04:15] <Jucato> (never heard? :D)
[04:15] <jjesse> didn't remember
[04:15] <Jucato> hehe
[04:15] <DaSkreech> Really?
[04:15] <Jucato> it's my country! mine!!
[04:15] <jjesse> all hail king Jucato
[04:16] <Jucato> ok time to go back to access specifiers...
[04:17] <Jucato> king Jucato trembles before Queen Hobbsee of the Pointy Sticks
[04:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:18] <DaSkreech> Darn you Hobbsee. open source your pointy sticks!!
[04:18] <Hobbsee> why?
[04:19] <DaSkreech> We all want to share in them :-( It's not fun having all the power in one well made fist
[04:21] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:21] <Hobbsee> dream on
[04:22] <Jucato> lol! now I know why QObject::connect is called like that :)
[04:22] <Jucato> oops sorry :)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: it's no fun if you all have pointy sticks too.
[04:28] <DaSkreech> oh no
[04:28] <DaSkreech> we would contribute to your pointiness :)
[04:38] <DaSkreech> See? It's a charitable work!
[04:38] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:38] <Hobbsee> but it's fun poking people, and i cant do that if they're pointy stick enabled too...
[04:39] <n8k99> !Hobbsee
[04:39] <ubotu> I phear the stick so shhhhh
[04:39] <Jucato> beware Hobbsee... too much poking with your point stick will eventually lead to more piercing than poking... :/
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Jucato: er, i found that out at UDS actually...
[04:40] <Jucato> O.o
[04:41] <Jucato> lol
[04:41] <Hobbsee> at the palace
[04:41] <Jucato> well, it's pointy and a stick... but not long... hence it didn't work as planned :)
[04:41] <Hobbsee> still very sharp, though.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> especially if you have a helper
[04:42] <Jucato> oooh maybe you should add "sharp" to "long pointy stick" :D
[04:42] <Hobbsee> so then there are *two* poking
[04:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:42] <Hobbsee> i sometimes do - the Sharp Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
[04:42] <Jucato> hahah!
[04:43] <DaSkreech> tortoisesvn ?
[04:44] <Jucato> KTurtle
[04:45] <DaSkreech> that's a turtle that's different
[05:16] <jdong> nixternal: funny you should mention that.... bug 120312 :D
[05:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120312 in ktorrent "Sponsor: KTorrent 2.2~rc1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120312
[05:16] <jdong> bwahaha
[06:02] <Jucato> nixternal: looks like what you predicted about Linspire might become a reality...
[06:02] <DaSkreech> nixternal is a witch! Burn him!
[06:23] <nixternal> muhahha
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Since I'm obvioulsy not going to bed now I'll just hit up my good frined commit-digest
[06:38] <nixternal> hehe
[06:38] <nixternal> well, someone needs to hit up the kftgrabber sync
[06:38] <nixternal> right ScottK-laptop ?
[06:38] <nixternal> ;p
[06:38] <nixternal> perfect timing I tell you
[06:38] <nixternal> jjesse_: Kubuntu Docs: any ideas for Gutsy? I think all we need to do is build up what we already have
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Well done scotty!
[06:42] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: Won't it sync automatically?
[06:42] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: Tell me where to find the Gutsy New queue in LP and I'll look at it.  I don't have it bookmarked on my laptop and I can't find it for the life of me...
[06:42] <nixternal> dunno, does it?
[06:43] <ScottK-laptop> It doesn't have an Ubuntu unique revision.  Are we past auto syncing in the sched?  I haven't looked lately.
[06:43] <nixternal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kftpgrabber/+bug/120300
[06:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120300 in kftpgrabber "Please synce kftpgrabber (0.8.1-1) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[06:44] <nixternal> I don't know, Riddell asked for someone to do a merge, but Debian is using our Kubuntu patch so we can drop Kubuntu changes
[06:44] <nixternal> so since they are doing the patch now, we can just sync it
[06:45] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: OK.  I looked at it wrong before, it does have an Ubuntu unique revision.  My bad.
[06:45] <nixternal> it did have one
[06:50] <ScottK2> Stupid Hotel internet connection.  I'm looking at the sync.
[06:52] <DaSkreech> nixternal: doc something for me :)
[06:52] <nixternal> DaSkreech: what's up?
[06:53] <DaSkreech> nixternal: find out what the hekk kgrab is and do a writeup on your blog :)
[06:53] <nixternal> kgrab...never heard of it
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Me either
[06:54] <DaSkreech> and neither has google ... much
[06:55] <DaSkreech> but I'm hearing it's all that with a side of ksnapshot and katpult goodness
[06:56] <nixternal> well, from what I am reading on kde-core-devel (2006-09-06) it is just ksnapshot so far w/o all of the buttons
[06:58] <ScottK2> nixternal or anyone who knows: I could do with a link to the NEW queue in LP...
[06:58] <nixternal> hehe
[07:02] <nixternal> hrmm...I am unfamiliar with the new queue
[07:06] <ScottK2> nixternal: Bug #120300 was more complicated than you thought.
[07:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120300 in kftpgrabber "Please synce kftpgrabber (0.8.1-1) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120300
[07:08] <nixternal> ScottK-laptop: but those weren't ubuntu changes
[07:08] <nixternal> if they were, they were never addressed
[07:08] <nixternal> I think the reason between the changes is because the amount of time that has lapsed between our last merge and the 2 or 3 updates that Debian did
[07:09] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: I think the changelog that alegedly showed the remaining Ubuntu changes was radically wrong.
[07:10] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: In particular I'm worried about the build-dep differences not being addressed.
[07:10] <nixternal> well, the only other change that was in the log was removing libgamin
[07:11] <ScottK-laptop> All the changes in /debian should be documented either in the Debian or Ubuntu debian/changelog, so it looks to me like somebody hasn't been documenting all their changes.
[07:11] <nixternal> kdelibs4-dev is correct
[07:11] <nixternal> I would say that would be Debian and not us..I hope
[07:13] <ScottK-laptop> As I understand the process, when you say it's safe to sync over the Ubuntu diff, you have to address all of the differences.
[07:18] <nixternal> hrmm
[07:18] <nixternal> this is a mess
[07:19] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: Yes it is.
[07:19] <nixternal> no debian/control differences between debian's 0.8.0-0 and 0.8.1-1
[07:19] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: I debdiffed the latest Debian and Ubuntu releases and it looked ugly.
[07:20] <nixternal> ya, I just did the same
[07:20] <nixternal> well the debian/ portion at least
[07:20] <nixternal> I would like to know why debian/control changes were made and not documented
[07:20] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: Right.  That's all that counts since the upstream version is different
[07:20] <nixternal> and the upstream version is also correct
[07:21] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: Agreed it's be nice to know why (actually who so we can ask Ms. LongPointyStick to pay them a visit).
[07:21] <nixternal> if we merge this, all it does it continue on with the nastiness and the broken merges in the future
[07:22] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: The right answer is to go through the differences in /debian and either drop them or document them so whoever gets to it next clearly knows what's up.
[07:23] <nixternal> to document them as drops, in the changelog add a section like [Richard A. Johnson]  above fboudra's changes?
[07:25] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: Do it just like a merge where you make kftpgrabber (0.8.1-1ubuntu1)
[07:28] <nixternal> and then the next release we can sync?
[07:28] <nixternal> hopefully
[07:28] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: If you get through it all and decide nothing needs to be kept, then maybe this one can be a sync, it just needs to be evalutated and documented (in the bug for a sync and in the changelog for a merge).
[07:28] <nixternal> well I can tell you now nothing needs to be kept
[07:28] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: Then in that case update the sync bug to describe all the differences and say it's OK to sync over them.
[07:28] <nixternal> roger that
[07:28] <ScottK-laptop> You'll need to resub UUS once that's done.
[07:28] <nixternal> k
[09:03] <_StefanS_> mornings
[09:05] <Jucato> afternoons :)
[09:05] <_marseillais> hi
[09:06] <_StefanS_> :)
[09:06] <_StefanS_> so whats up ?
[09:06] <Jucato> I'm up now :)
[09:06] <Jucato> (from an afternoon nap :P)
[09:07] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well one's gotta sleep sometime.. My girl woke up this morning at 6:00... too bad when you're not really in bed until after midnight
[09:07] <_StefanS_> Jucato: gets you after a while ;)
[09:07] <Jucato> hehe :)
[09:08] <ScottK-laptop> _StefanS_: How old is your girl?
[09:08] <Jucato> I do need to control my sleeping habits though...
[09:08] <_StefanS_> ScottK-laptop: just 10 months :)
[09:08] <_StefanS_> ScottK-laptop: another one coming in ~2 months (boy)
[09:08] <ScottK-laptop> _StefanS_: Ah.  My youngest is 4, so I can still remember.
[09:08] <ScottK-laptop> Oh wow.
[09:08] <ScottK-laptop> and tired
[09:09] <_StefanS_> ScottK-laptop: hehe yea, well we want them to be close
[09:09] <Jucato> eheh :)
[09:09] <_StefanS_> ScottK-laptop: hopefully they will get alot from eachother
[09:09] <giangy> new-generation hackers.
[09:09] <giangy> :)
[09:09] <giangy> 'morning guys
[09:09] <_StefanS_> hehe
[09:09] <ScottK-laptop> bruises, cuts, concussions.
[09:10] <ScottK-laptop> And then they'll be great friends after they are adults
[09:10] <Jucato> that never happened with me and my sis... (4 years apart)
[09:10] <_StefanS_> ScottK-laptop: oh yes, she's just started to pull herself up on her feet on just about any occasion, and she hit something and got nosebleed
[09:10] <Jucato> we're like cats and dogs...
[09:10] <_StefanS_> ScottK-laptop: hopefully..
[09:11] <ScottK-laptop> My wife has the theory that the more they fight as children, the more likely they are to get along as adults
[09:11] <_StefanS_> ScottK-laptop: sounds interesting; never heard that one before :)
[09:12] <_StefanS_> hmm I'm looking for a good firewall package for ubuntu so I can retire my soekris firewall
[09:12] <_StefanS_> anyone know of one?
[09:13] <ScottK-laptop> Do you really need one?
[09:13] <_StefanS_> uhm..
[09:13] <_StefanS_> no but I'm lazy, and used to gui/web interface..
[09:13] <_StefanS_> maybe I should just use webmin
[09:13] <_StefanS_> and iptables ofcourse
[09:14] <_StefanS_> its for my server..
[09:14] <ScottK-laptop> Ah
[09:14] <ScottK-laptop> Once you get a decent iptables script setup, it really doesn't take a lot of maintenance.
[09:14] <_StefanS_> got a nice mini-itx core duo 2.16 ghzin a nexus psile case
[09:14] <_StefanS_> right, I just want to save my electric bill, and the cpu in the soekris box is only a 266mhz geode
[09:14] <_StefanS_> not good for QoS ..
[09:52] <_marseillais> _StefanS_, do you allready have your @ubuntu.com mail ?
[09:52] <_StefanS_> _marseillais: nope, how do I get it?
[09:52] <_marseillais> if i've well understand it should come alone
[09:52] <Jucato> _StefanS_: er...
[09:52] <Jucato> you didn't get a cloak yet even...
[09:52] <_marseillais> but nothing yet
[09:52] <_StefanS_> Jucato: right..
[09:52] <Jucato> you have to join the LP team first
[09:53] <Jucato> then the email comes about 24 hours later or less
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Jucato: hmm didn't know that
[09:53] <Jucato> more or less
[09:53] <_StefanS_> looking..
[09:53] <_StefanS_> got a link for the launchpad team?
[09:53] <_marseillais> Jucato, wich lp team?
[09:54] <Jucato> kubuntu-members
[09:54] <_marseillais> Jucato, i'm in this team since more than a week now
[09:54] <Jucato> hm...?
[09:55] <Lure_> _marseillais: did you try to send to <nick>@ubuntu.com?
[09:55] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I'm already member of kubuntu-team->ubuntu-team, isn't that enough
[09:55] <Lure_> _marseillais: it just worked for me
[09:55] <Jucato> oh yeah, you don't get  any notification.
[09:56] <Jucato> _StefanS_: I don't think so. you need to be part of ubuntumembers, which you are automatically joined to if you join kubuntu-members
[09:56] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well thats what I meant :)
[09:57] <_StefanS_> great, now my providers smtp is down
[09:57] <Jucato> er... kubuntu-members is different from kubuntu-team :)
[09:57] <_StefanS_> oh
[09:57] <_marseillais> arf
[09:57] <_marseillais> i'm stupid
[09:58] <Jucato> hm... but who do you poke now for the cloak, now that Seveas is gone? :/
[09:58] <Jucato> hm....
[09:58] <_marseillais> i was trying marseillai@ubuntu.com
[09:58] <_marseillais> could someone poke me at cyrilb856@ubuntu.com ???
[09:58] <_StefanS_> Jucato: seems like kubuntu-members makes you indirect of kubuntu-team
[09:58] <_StefanS_> _marseillais: I'll try
[09:58] <_StefanS_> _marseillais: sent it
[09:58] <_marseillais> thx
[09:59] <Jucato> _StefanS_: I guess so... the whole hierarchy of LP teams still has me confused
[09:59] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yes... someone has over structured the lp pages I think..
[09:59] <_StefanS_> K.I.S.S..
[09:59] <_StefanS_> hey the email works
[09:59] <Jucato> there's kubuntu-users, kubuntu-team, kubuntu-members, and-god-knows-what-other-kubuntu-teams
[09:59] <_StefanS_> _marseillais: got yours also
[09:59] <_marseillais> :) thx Lure and _StefanS_
[10:00] <_marseillais> :)
[10:00] <Jucato> now all you need is the cloak :)
[10:00] <Jucato> maybe nalioth is the guy to poke for this now
[10:00] <_StefanS_> Jucato: maybe you should just join [a-z] ubuntu-.* ?
[10:00] <Jucato> [a-z] buntu* actually
[10:00] <Jucato> (ubuntumembers doesn't have a '-')
[10:00] <_StefanS_> Jucato: [a-z] ubuntu.*
[10:01] <Jucato> ah ok :)
[10:01] <_StefanS_> Jucato: dont you know your regexes ;)
[10:01] <Jucato> my regex sucks :)
[10:01] <_StefanS_> . all chars
[10:01] <Jucato> duh! obviously :P
[10:01] <_StefanS_> Jucato: are you getting somewhere in the c++ world?
[10:01] <Jucato> yeah. progressing quite a bit. decided to skip recursion for a later day/week/month/year :P
[10:02] <Jucato> getting a bit deeper into classes now
[10:02] <_StefanS_> sounds good..
[10:02] <_StefanS_> I sort of reading on the subclassing stuff
[10:02] <Jucato> this book seems to have an obsession with const...
[10:03] <Jucato> const int * cont ptr.... const on almost everything that can be const'ed
[10:05] <_StefanS_> uhm ok.. didn't really notice anything like that in my book(s)
[10:06] <Jucato> heh :)
[10:06] <Jucato> yeah this book emphasizes on "principle of least privilege" as a good software engineering practice...
[10:06] <Jucato> maybe I'm just new... but seeing const on almost every line in a class definition seems quite.. um... funny :)
[10:07] <_StefanS_> just ignore it :) - the whole of c++ is alot about structure that tends to be the same all the time
[10:07] <_StefanS_> like java...
[10:08] <Jucato> I didn't see much const's in KDE code.. so yeah, might put it in the backburner for a while
[10:11] <_marseillais> second question
[10:11] <_marseillais> who has time to revu my katchtv package?
[10:12] <_marseillais> Jucato, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5494 :p
[10:13] <Jucato> ah ok.. can't help there :P
[10:14] <Lure> _marseillais: sorry no time today (probably until weekend... :-(
[10:14] <Jucato> aw... :/
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: show me the money!!!
[10:42] <_StefanS_> :D
[10:43] <Tonio_> yo !
[10:43] <Tonio_> okay let's go with the patches
[10:43] <Tonio_> I have penty of patches to upload :)
[11:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sounds good ? What is it?
[11:07] <Tonio_> ark, fixes several bugs
[11:07] <Tonio_> kdebase, correct the usplash on shutdown
[11:08] <Tonio_> a few changes in kds structure
[11:08] <Tonio_> and other things
[11:08] <Tonio_> and I have to make a point on kdesudo
[11:08] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'll check the status of umountwrapper
[11:08] <Tonio_> but first I'm switching to gtsy
[11:08] <Tonio_> pray for me :)
[11:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll work on dolphin today too :)
[11:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks for the MIR that'll help
[11:10] <Tonio_> also I'll have internet at home within a week, so I'll be finally active for the end of the dev cycle
[11:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: http://beta1.suse.com/private/hschaa/knetworkmanager/
[11:33] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: grat !
[11:33] <Tonio_> +e
[11:34] <Tonio_> pffffffff lots of work today :)
[11:34] <_StefanS_> if the rc is without bugs, it will be released very soon
[11:34] <Tonio_> I also have to work on dolphin :)
[11:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll work on the packaging today :)
[11:34] <_StefanS_> sweet :)
[11:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hows networkmanager 0.6.5 coming for gutsy?
[11:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: cause it wont work without it :)
[11:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll check ;)
[11:37] <Tonio_> finished the update, rebooting........ pray for me :)
[12:04] <root__> anyone there ?
[12:05] <Tonio--> I just switched to gutsy and there is a HUDGE problem with xorg :)
[12:05] <Riddell> tsk tsk
[12:05] <Tonio--> no way to detect my screen, with fglrx, ati or even vesa driver....
[12:05] <Tonio--> I need someone to please download the latest radeon drier on ati and send it to me
[12:06] <Tonio--> the form to download doesn't work on link or elinks
[12:06] <Riddell> where would someone find that?
[12:06] <Tonio--> hey Riddell ;)
[12:06] <Tonio--> Riddell: planning to work on dolphin today, as long as I can get my macbook to work as expected
[12:06] <Riddell> "   ATI Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver 8.37.6"?
[12:07] <Tonio--> the fglrc driver complains the xorg version which changed to 7.1 to 1.3, I guess that's my issue in fact
[12:07] <Tonio--> Riddell: not sure of the version, but that's probably the one yes :)
[12:07] <Riddell> erk, 50MB
[12:07] <Tonio--> I know.......... :)
[12:08] <Tonio--> Riddell: I can wget if you give me the direct url
[12:08] <sebas> Tonio--: Use vesa :)
[12:08] <Tonio--> hum, irssi can be pretty usefull in some cases :)
[12:08] <Tonio--> sebas: doesn't work......
[12:08] <sebas> huh?
[12:08] <Tonio--> sebas: that's why I'm a bt affraid
[12:08] <Tonio--> sebas:neither vesa, nore ati drivers do work
[12:08] <Riddell> https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.37.6-x86.x86_64.run
[12:08] <Tonio--> ati complains there is no screen found
[12:09] <Tonio--> vesa complain there is a screen, but no conf usable
[12:09] <sebas> Tonio--: Move your conf out of the way and see if Xorg understands it
[12:09] <sebas> It might just work :-)
[12:09] <Tonio--> sebas: move the conf ?
[12:09] <sebas> Autodetection stuff should be vastly improved in xorg
[12:09] <Tonio--> delete and start without xorg.conf ?
[12:10] <sebas> Yes, start xorg without config file
[12:10] <Tonio--> interesting, testing
[12:10] <Tonio--> fatal error, no screens found
[12:10] <sebas> bah
[12:13] <Riddell> DVDs oversixed by 400MB
[12:13] <Tonio--> sebas: will test with the latest fglrx, but I'm affraid the problem is just that xorg can't see my screen for some reason
[12:13] <Tonio--> sebas: even the screen detection on dpgk-reconfigure says it fails
[12:13] <sebas> Yeah, just wait two years for fglrx to support Xorg 7.3
[12:13] <sebas> Hm, sure it's a fglrx problem?
[12:14] <Tonio--> sebas: how to do in between ? ;)
[12:14] <Riddell> don't worry, AMD will have made it free software by then
[12:14] <sebas> irssi, elinks and so on
[12:14] <Tonio--> sebas: and why doesn't it work with vesa or ati then ?
[12:14] <sebas> Riddell: hehehe :D
[12:14] <sebas> I've talked to Chris Schla:ger (KDE guy, works for that division of AMD): "Dream on"
[12:15] <Tonio--> I don't mind not having fglrx, just a working driver
[12:15] <Tonio--> sebas: is gutsy/7.3/ati or vesa supposed to work ?
[12:15] <sebas> Compositing support would be nice, powermanagement support mandatory.
[12:15] <sebas> vesa should work I think.
[12:16] <hunger> sebas: And it should not crash when switching from X to a console and back... the proprietary drivers do that a lot here.
[12:16] <sebas> hunger: Yeah, but that's a feature, let's first get the driver stable ;-)
[12:22] <Tonio--> I just saw that new macbook pros have nvidia :/
[12:22] <Tonio--> sebas: frustrating
[12:24] <sebas> Tonio--: Hmm
[12:24] <sebas> I can't say anything more than "ATI sucks"
[12:25] <Riddell> does nvidia not?
[12:26] <Tonio--> sebas: yeah, works with the latest ati hehe
[12:26] <Tonio--> sebas: bad thing, vesa and ati are failing....
[12:26] <mhb> Riddell: how hard is it to code a dialog offering to download non-free codecs, like Amarok has?
[12:27] <Riddell> mhb: not hard, see /usr/lib/amarok/install-mp3
[12:27] <mhb> Riddell: people want that in other places, too... k3b, kaffeine, etc.
[12:27] <Riddell> ah well, the hard part is the application knowing when and what to download
[12:27] <mhb> Riddell: also, for some reason, FLAC audio does not work out-of-the-box
[12:28] <mhb> Riddell: cant we guess that from the suffix, if there is no better solution?
[12:29] <Riddell> maybe, but it's an upstream issue
[12:29] <Riddell> oh good, Tonio_ has stopped using irc as root :)
[12:29] <Tonio_> ahhhhhhhhhhh that's better :)
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: haha :)
[12:30] <Tonio_> okay so I'm back in the effort, let's move on !!!!!!!
[12:30] <mhb> Riddell: somehow upstream could say codec distributing is the distributions issue
[12:34] <Riddell> mhb: but detecting that codec X isn't available and asking for it to be installed is part of the application
[12:35] <Riddell> installing it is distro specific of course
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks a lot for the link, that helped
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: upgrade broke my kdmrc file, I get the userlist now
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that a known problem ?
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, looks like we need to explicitly hide the userlist in /etc/default/kdm.d/.......
[12:48] <Riddell> the user list is ment to be there
[12:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: hu ?
[12:48] <Tonio_> well the theme isn't really compatible with this
[12:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: will that change ?
[12:48] <Riddell> looks fine to me
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: want a screenshot ?
[12:49] <Riddell> if you can do one
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: depends the number of users you have :)
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me try
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: stop me if I'm wrong but we never had the userlist before right ?
[12:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's right, it's a new feature in tribe 1, we've yet to decide if we want to keep it
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, but I don't understand how could that fit in the theme, as it depends the number of users
[12:58] <Riddell> the box is a fixed size
[12:59] <Tonio_> okay so let me check ;)
[12:59] <Tonio_> I'm trying to recreate the issue in virtualbox
[12:59] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/preview.png
[01:00] <Tonio_> hum that's not what I get at all :)
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe we should consider fixing the dpi on the kdm dialog then
[01:02] <Riddell> fdoving: how's your swedish?
[01:02] <Riddell> fdoving: what do you make of this? http://kubuntu-se.info
[01:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay so in fact my problem is just a problem with the font size on kdm
[01:11] <Tonio_> maybe we should reduce it a bit fo languages that have long words
[01:11] <Tonio_> in fact the username and password fields are going over the "return" image
[01:16] <hunger> Tonio_: DPI on kdm seem fine to me...
[01:16] <Riddell> it all depends on your monitor
[01:16] <hunger> Tonio_: At least since I added a DisplaySize stanza to my xorg.conf:-)
[01:17] <Riddell> or that
[01:17] <hunger> Without that kdm is the only qt-based app that has *not* changed its font sizes in gutsy.
[01:18] <hunger> Fonts seem to switch between to big and too small at least once per ubuntu-release:-(
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah but we need to find something working on most machines
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: in case of french language, with the size of the userlist, you won't get something nice except with very, very small fonts.......
[01:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: the cause is more the long words than the dpi in fact
[01:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: username = nom d'utilisateur
[01:19] <Tonio_> password = mot de passe
[01:20] <Tonio_> here is the issue
[01:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you set kdm to french automatically?
[01:21] <Riddell> or how did kdm get set to french?
[01:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, dunno, it was automatically in french for me :)
[01:21] <Tonio_> lemme check....
[01:21] <hunger> Tonio_: You could remove the user list again... it is ugly anyway.
[01:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: this isn't something I did myself to be honnest, or I can't remember when
[01:22] <Tonio_> hunger: yeah.........; I'm not fine with this idea
[01:22] <Tonio_> hunger: also lots of softwares are creating users that are not defined as system accounts, like vmware
[01:22] <Tonio_> hunger: the result is just a bloated list in fact
[01:23] <hunger> Tonio_: I have about 30 users in that list. It is a big PITA for me.
[01:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: nothing in kdmrc for me
[01:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: interesting, I wonder if ubiquity does it for you
[01:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdm is just translated nativelly here
[01:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: grep Language= /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc  ?
[01:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I never use ubiquity, always text install
[01:23] <Riddell> bah
[01:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: no language set
[01:24] <Riddell> interesting
[01:24] <Riddell> maybe KDM has learned to use the system language
[01:24] <Tonio_> possibly, indeed
[01:24] <Riddell> anyway, we can make the box wider if the text labels don't fit
[01:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that creates an issue with the theme
[01:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: another option indeed
[01:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact the point  would probably just to change the "return" button position
[01:25] <Tonio_> more on the right
[01:25] <Tonio_> sad the position can't be relative to the form fields
[01:25] <hunger> Riddell: Making the box wider depending on the text is a good idea.
[01:26] <hunger> Riddell: My display has 132dpi... which makes the fonts render bigger than the theme authors assumed they will ever become.
[01:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm investigating concerning the kdm translated
[01:26] <hunger> bigger as in "using more pixels"
[01:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw isn't there a way to in kds in postinst read the system lang and echo it in /etc/default/kdm.d ?
[01:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: to be honnest, my macbook is the only machine ever that I've seen using a translated kdm
[01:28] <Tonio_> all other machines don't, and I don't know how that happened...
[01:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: reading the system language shouldn't be hard in my opinion
[01:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: I've got a casper bug open for that
[01:30] <Riddell> but maybe KDM in 3.5.7 has learnt about the system language
[01:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I had the translation before 3.5.7
[01:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think with 3.5.5
[01:30] <Tonio_> bt that's always been unique with my laptop :/
[01:30] <Tonio_> I had to force the laguage with 3.5.7 and the french parliament for example
[01:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: are you aiding the french parliament installing those kubuntus?  :)
[01:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the project is done in fact :)
[01:32] <_StefanS_> oh
[01:33] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I did all the desktop implementation, I've been engaged by the company doing this ;)
[01:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I find it nice that kubuntu was chosen, it always seems to be ubuntu whenever that sort of thing is going on
[01:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sounds like a great job :)
[01:33] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep :)
[01:34] <Tonio_> except it didn't help me to contribute much for kubuntu in fact :)
[01:34] <_StefanS_> no it probably took up alot of your time
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: the maintained dolphin branch is on kde svn ?
[01:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it did, pretty much
[01:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: worked 80 hours last week for example
[01:36] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: do you know how to change the fonts in xterm btw, ?
[01:36] <Tonio_> 70 hours the week before that
[01:36] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: eeks, hope you get paid well for it ;)
[01:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope I don't use xterm
[01:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep, the salary is good btw :)
[01:36] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it uses those nasty -----font-x-sds (X fonts) layout
[01:36] <Tonio_> argh
[01:36] <_StefanS_> sounds good :)
[01:36] <steveire> Hi. I'm following these instructions: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4. I was getting errors similar to this when I tried to run the assistant program: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1550805&postcount=4. I've since run xhost + and now I can run assistant. Shouldn't there be something about xhost in the build page?
[01:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: d3lphin?  I've no idea
[01:37] <Tonio_> that's the name of the branch ?
[01:37] <Tonio_> ho, it is a fork
[01:38] <Tonio_> still maintained over kde3, interesting
[01:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact d3lphin is a fork of dolphin
[01:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is we probably don't want a new package in the repos for this
[01:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'l looking at the diff so that we can patch dolphin to d3lphin
[01:41] <steveire> No one? Is xhost the right way to solve that problem>
[01:41] <steveire> ?
[01:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: I agree on no new package
[01:42] <Riddell> steveire: #kde4-devel a better place to ask
[01:43] <steveire> Riddell: OK.
[02:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: confirmed, kdm is in english on the other machine........
[02:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: spooky
[02:14] <Tonio_> vert strange....... I'm trying to switch the language on my system, just to have a look
[02:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: got it
[02:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdm reads /root/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals to get the Language
[02:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: ugly :)
[02:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: set the lang using kdesu kcontrol and that'll work
[02:21] <Riddell> weird
[02:21] <Riddell> and pretty daft
[02:27] <Tonio_> yup
[02:27] <Tonio_> instead of looking at the system lang.......; stupid
[02:27] <Riddell> it shouldn't be hard to fix I'd guess
[02:27] <Riddell> can't be that difficult to find the system language
[02:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: where does qt-language-support reads the installed lang ?
[02:30] <Tonio_> s/installed/choosen
[02:32] <Riddell> dunno, I didn't write it :)
[02:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm looking at the code :)
[02:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: it remembers the choosen one, so there is obviously a way to read this :)
[02:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: it gets the language from /etc/default/locale, looking at LANG
[02:38] <Tonio_> just gets rid of .UTF-8 and that's it
[02:38] <Hobbsee> hiya all
[02:38] <Hobbsee> hrm.  someone wants to interview me
[02:39] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee :)
[02:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: can't we simply improve qt-language-selector to output a new file in /etc/kdm.d ?
[02:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: better than touching the file for upgrades :)
[02:41] <Riddell> wrong place
[02:41] <Riddell> we should edit /etc/init.d/kdm
[02:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: /etc/default/kdm.d sorry :)
[02:42] <Riddell> add it to the sed lines following genkdmconf
[02:42] <Riddell> no need to set anything in /etc/init.d/kdm, it's already set in /etc/default/locale
[02:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't that better to output a file in /etc/default/kdm.d ?
[02:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: touching a package installed file includes asking questions on upgrade
[02:44] <Tonio_> that's why I wold favor a 30-kdm-lang file outputed by a script that would set the language, no ?
[02:45] <Riddell> I don't see the point, it means editing casper, debian-installer and language-installer
[02:45] <Riddell> just do it by default, using /etc/default/locale
[02:45] <Tonio_> that's what I mean
[02:45] <Riddell> and optionally have an option that can be set in /etc/init.d/kdm to not do it
[02:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think you missunderstand me :)
[02:46] <Tonio_> I'm just talking about installing a little bash script in /etc/rcS.d
[02:47] <Riddell> whatever for?
[02:47] <Tonio_> that script would run at system boot, reads the lang from /etc/default/locale, and outputs the setting in a /etc/default/kdm.d/30-kdm-lang file
[02:47] <Tonio_> so that the kdm lang is always sync with the system one
[02:47] <Tonio_> isn't that clean ?
[02:47] <Tonio_> can also be done via init.d/kdm btw
[02:48] <Riddell> well you'd still need to edit /etc/init.d/kdm to support it
[02:48] <Tonio_> why ?
[02:48] <Riddell> because otherwise it won't support it
[02:48] <Riddell> look at /etc/init.d/kdm in gutsy
[02:48] <Riddell> it uses genkdmconf to create a new temporary kdmrc and uses sed to edit it
[02:49] <Riddell> just add another sed line to use /etc/default/locale
[02:49] <Riddell> scripts to echo /etc/default/locale to /etc/default/kdm.d is just another level of complexity
[02:50] <Tonio_> hum.....
[02:50] <Tonio_> different opinions :)
[02:50] <Tonio_> in my opinion that more simple, but I see your point
[02:51] <Tonio_> I mean, the /etc/init.d/kdm.d is easilly readable and figurable, more that hiding the feature deeply in initd/kdm
[02:51] <Tonio_> but that's just my opinion :)
[02:52] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato
[02:53] <Riddell> it needs to go into /etc/init.d/kdm.d anyway, hiding the feature in /etc/rcS.d is nasty
[02:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay on that point
[02:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: but would you read and override the language directly from init.d/kdm and not write it /etc/default/kdm.d ?
[02:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: even if it was in /etc/default/kdm.d, you would of course still need to read and override the language directly from init.d/kdm
[02:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: true
[02:57] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!! (got disconnected :(
[02:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: the idea is just to make it visible somehow :)
[02:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw that /etc/defualt/kdm.d thing is very limited in fact
[02:58] <Tonio_> you can override any kdm setting with it.......
[02:58] <Riddell> only if you edit init.d/kdm first
[02:59] <Tonio_> yep, that's what I see
[02:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: but would you read /etc/default/locale from init.d/kdm ?
[02:59] <Riddell> yes
[02:59] <Tonio_> hum okay let's try this
[03:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: and would you sed language directly or would you output it to a 30xxx file ?
[03:00] <Riddell> just sed
[03:00] <Tonio_> hum okay
[03:00] <Tonio_> that wouldn't make it clear to the user where is the value read from :)
[03:01] <Tonio_> I would personally locate kdm and find the file
[03:01] <Riddell> neither does using a random script to output to /etc/default/kdm.d, that just adds further abstraction
[03:01] <Tonio_> that's why I'd like to output it in fact
[03:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: so what about that :
[03:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: reading from init.d/kdm, outputing to etc/default......., then read by kdm again with a sed rule as done for the previous settings
[03:02] <Tonio_> just to have the language the same way we hack the theme in fact
[03:02] <Tonio_> that's my point
[03:02] <Riddell> what's the point?  you'd end up with a config file which is overwritten every time kdm starts
[03:03] <Tonio_> hum, true that.........
[03:03] <Tonio_> okay let's forget this :)
[03:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm working on fixing this
[03:03] <Riddell> a file in /etc/default/kdm.d with a value of UseSystemLocale=true (or false) would work
[03:04] <Riddell> then check for that and if it's true read from /etc/default/locale
[03:07] <Tonio_> yup
[03:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you look at apachelogger's stuff about konqueror.rc files at all?
[03:08] <Tonio_> not yet, but I plan too
[03:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: why not simple looking at the LAND env variable ?
[03:08] <Riddell> I don't know if LANG is always set
[03:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: should be :)
[03:09] <Tonio_> well I'll try that way and read from etc/default if it doesn't work
[03:09] <Riddell> if it's set, seems sensible enough to use
[03:13] <Hobbsee> mhb: see kubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Jucato: cloaks for irc are completely separate to the email thing
[03:25] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yeah. but Seveas took a leave of absence, so I was wondering who marseillai and _StefanS_ should poke for it
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Jucato: someone on the impending irc ops council
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Jucato: then they can authorise a staffer to do it
[03:26] <Hobbsee> last i checked
[03:26] <Hobbsee> email is a LP thing, iirc
[03:26] <Jucato> ah ok
[03:26] <Hobbsee> well, canonical, not community
[03:26] <Jucato> yeah they got their e-mails :)
[03:26] <marseillai> Jucato, for email ?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> neither is cloaking automatic
[03:26] <Jucato> I thought the e-mail was automatic? oh well..
[03:27] <Hobbsee> sorry, emial is automatic - cloaking is not
[03:27] <Hobbsee> as not everyone with memberships wants a cloak
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you forgot kubuntu-council in your kubuntu teams :P
[03:31] <Jucato> hahah yeah sorry :P
[03:31] <Jucato> I was reciting from memory my own teams...
[03:31] <Jucato> and since I'm not in the council... hehehe
[03:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: little problem
[03:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdmrc doesn't support fr_FR for example
[03:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: it uses the output of $LC_LANG
[03:37] <Tonio_> should be "fr" in my case
[03:37] <Tonio_> but that doesn't exist in ubuntu
[03:38] <Tonio_> I can split from $LANG, but how to be sure that'll work for any language ?
[03:39] <Riddell> I don't have LC_LANG set
[03:39] <Riddell> if it just uses the two letter language code then use that
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: _StefanS_: and marseillai  it was?
[03:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: for english it uses 5 letters langs :)
[03:41] <Tonio_> en_US or en_GB for example
[03:42] <Tonio_> I'm just surprised this is different for french
[03:42] <Riddell> how complex
[03:42] <Tonio_> yep.........
[03:43] <Tonio_> I guess the kcontrol very old bug is the same, I just looked and it seems it needs fr and not fr_FR
[03:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, the kcontrol bug is different, kdm works with fr_FR
[03:54] <Tonio_> but not kcontrol within kdeglobal :)
[03:54] <Tonio_> stupidly complicated
[04:04] <manchicken> wuddup Tonio_?
[04:04] <manchicken> Did you see the baby pictures?
[04:09] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[04:09] <Tonio_> manchicken: url please ?
[04:11] <manchicken> http://blog.notsosoft.net/2007/baby/baby-pictures.html
[04:11] <apachelogger> hm
[04:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: [ -n "$USESYSTEMLANG" ]  && sed -i "s|^#\?Language=.*|Language=`echo $LANG | awk 'BEGIN { FS = "." } { print $1 }'`|" $KDMCFG
[04:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: works
[04:12] <fdoving> Riddell: kubuntu-se.info looks good, not high-traffic though.
[04:12] <Tonio_> manchicken: just magic :)
[04:12] <manchicken> Tonio_: Isn't it?
[04:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: no idea why I used autotools.mk ... shall upload changed version now, or with next upstream release?
[04:12] <Tonio_> manchicken: definitly yes :)
[04:12] <Tonio_> hehe
[04:13] <manchicken> Tonio_: We're very excited.
[04:13] <manchicken> We've got about 30 weeks to go though.
[04:13] <Tonio_> :/
[04:13] <Tonio_> be patient....
[04:13] <manchicken> Yeah.
[04:13] <manchicken> Patience isn't one of my strong points.
[04:13] <Tonio_> I have to reboot for a test, seya in 2 minutes :)
[04:13] <Tonio_> manchicken: lol
[04:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: too late, I've uploaded to archive already :)
[04:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: just change it with next upstream release
[04:15] <apachelogger> ok, thanks for uploading :)
[04:15] <Riddell> ryanakca: don't forget aoeui
[04:16] <fdoving> Riddell: at kubuntu-se.info they write "We have started a Swedish forum for Kubuntu. At this time there are no other Swedish Kubuntu forums. We shall give you all the help you need. There is also Ubuntu-Se, with alot of activity."
[04:17] <Riddell> nixternal: able to change todays devel meeting from 16:00 to 15:00?
[04:42] <Tonio_> someone to help me please :)
[04:42] <Tonio_> what is the -n test in scripts
[04:42] <Riddell> man test
[04:42] <Tonio_> "is defined" or "is true" ?
[04:42] <Riddell>        -n STRING
[04:42] <Riddell>               the length of STRING is nonzero
[04:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, I should change the test then
[04:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: you were right, $LANG isn't defined :)
[04:44] <nixternal> Riddell: sure
[04:45] <nixternal> 15:00 is the new meeting time
[04:45] <Riddell> nixternal: and change that for any future meetings
[04:46] <nixternal> roger dodger
[04:46] <manchicken> Meeting?
[04:47] <Riddell> weekly devel team
[04:54] <manchicken> Righto.
[04:55] <Riddell> all welcome of course
[05:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sure?
[05:02] <Riddell> Hobbsee: of what?
[05:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that we're all welcome
[05:03] <Riddell> of course, everyone with specs is encouraged to come
[05:04] <fdoving> Tonio_: ping, did you check up on kio-umountwrapper?
[05:05] <Tonio_> fdoving: not yet, but will do today, don't mind :)
[05:20] <Tonio_> crimsun: ping ?
[05:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm uploading kdebase and kds to get kdm set to the system lang
[05:23] <Riddell> ok
[05:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: why k-d-s?
[05:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: to change the 2_kubuntu-default-settings file
[05:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: adding the new parameter set to true
[05:26] <Riddell> right
[05:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: any idea what bug 44778 is all about?  it doesn't say where 'Launch pager' is
[05:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44778 in kubuntu-meta "kpager: 'Launch pager' seems to do nothing" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44778
[05:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's in kpager, we just dont install it by default
[05:29] <fdoving> Riddell: rightclick on the desktop-selector-applet -> launch pager
[05:30] <Riddell> I see it now
[05:30] <Riddell> although I don't see why the bug should be milestoned for tribe-2
[05:30] <Hobbsee> because i didnt want to forget it, and figured i'd be doing seed-stuff anyway
[05:31] <nixternal> Hobbsee: if you get a chance, take a look at the kftpgrabber merge...I have requested a sync on it, but there seems to have been edits done to it that were never documented in the changelog..A sync will work, but just need some clarification if possible
[05:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal: can you email me about it?
[05:32] <nixternal> I don't know, can i? :)
[05:32] <fdoving> what is milestoing for anyway? - bugs with solutions posted can't just lay around launchpad and wait for someone to pick them up, i milestone to get them in.
[05:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal: my head's killing enough that i probably wont remember to look in the morning
[05:32] <nixternal> sure, will do now
[05:32] <Hobbsee> fdoving: subscribe ubuntu-[universe,main] -sponsors as applicable, or poke us
[05:32] <bddebian> Heya
[05:33] <fdoving> Hobbsee: i'll keep milestoning, it works much better.  j/k :)
[05:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:33] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[05:33] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[05:36] <Hobbsee> nixternal: thanks
[05:39] <xerosis> the latest gutsy updates are asking for one of my ssh shares password in the embedded console :/
[05:39] <Riddell> err
[05:39] <Riddell> does it say which package is doing that?
[05:40] <xerosis> it's at the start of preconfiguring so it doesn't say which
[05:40] <xerosis> Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal. << that line is before it though
[05:56] <Tonio_> fdoving: kio-umountwrapper should be accepted today
[06:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: were you planning to package the new amarok yourself?
[06:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: working on dolphin
[06:05] <fdoving> Tonio_: thanks :)
[06:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'm planning to make sure it gets packaged
[06:07] <Riddell> if someone else wants to do that, it's all good
[06:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right
[06:10] <xerosis> Riddell: it was wvdial
[06:11] <Riddell> xerosis: what was?
[06:11] <xerosis> Riddell: that was asking for an ssh password
[06:12] <Riddell> err, why would it need that?
[06:12] <xerosis> Riddell: no idea, i'll file a bug
[06:23] <Riddell> hi freeflying, I heard you bumped in to sladen
[06:24] <freeflying> Riddell: yes
[06:25] <freeflying> Riddell: he has given a presentation
[06:28] <Riddell> freeflying: did he wear his kubuntu t-shirt?
[06:29] <freeflying> Riddell: a debian's and ubuntu's
[06:29] <freeflying> :)
[06:38] <freeflying> Riddell: sladen told me you have free kubuntu t-shirt? :)
[06:38] <Riddell> to exhibitors yes
[06:39] <freeflying> how about our monthly lug meeting? :)
[06:40] <Riddell> xerosis_: bug 120427, what makes you think they come from konqueror?
[06:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120427 in kdebase "[Gutsy]  Konqueror ldconfig errors" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120427
[06:41] <Riddell> freeflying: if you're doing a talk I probably could, would need to check with canonical
[06:41] <manchicken> Are we gonna be moving to Amarok2 any time soon?
[06:41] <Riddell> manchicken: not before its released
[06:41] <freeflying> Riddell: uhmm, np, I can arrange one for kubuntu and kde
[06:42] <Riddell> freeflying: which lug is it?
[06:43] <freeflying> Riddell: www.beijinglug.org
[06:45] <crimsun> Tonio_: pong
[06:46] <Tonio_> crimsun: hi !
[06:47] <Tonio_> crimsun: I just noticed that on gutsy the patch you did for the macbook pro seems to be gone
[06:47] <Tonio_> crimsun: concerning the sound, sorry :)
[06:47] <Tonio_> crimsun: is that wanted or not ?
[06:47] <crimsun> yes, we're trying to figure out how to best handle all these variants
[06:47] <crimsun> I didn't submit it, because it's not the best way to handle it
[06:47] <Tonio_> crimsun: okay, so that's in the work
[06:47] <Tonio_> okay
[06:47] <crimsun> yes, it's on my radar if that's what you were asking
[06:48] <Tonio_> crimsun: that's the response I was waiting for :)
[06:49] <Tonio_> crimsun: thanks
[06:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like a lot of work to get dolphin correctly integrated
[06:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: the missing compatibility with ark and konqueror plugins is a pain.....
[06:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: that should be all your packages on revu with a comment on them
[06:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: hehe, thanks :D
[06:55] <apachelogger> oh
[06:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: projectm (visualisation used in amarok didn't got a comment :)
[06:55] <apachelogger> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5446
[06:56] <apachelogger> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5447
[06:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: it already has two
[06:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: pretty old version that is
[07:25] <Nightrose> Riddell: thx for review
[07:25] <Nightrose> I'll change the stuff you mentioned soon
[07:30] <Nightrose> and about the .svn-directory - I was told that changing the original tar.rz is bad - but if you want me to delete it no problem
[07:32] <Riddell> Nightrose: different people have different opinions.  I'd rather tidy upstreams bad tar files, others want not to touch them at all
[07:32] <Riddell> Nightrose: although if you do change the .orig file, make sure to document that in the changelog
[07:32] <Nightrose> ;-) jea - I didn't like it either - but...
[07:32] <Nightrose> ok will do
[07:32] <Nightrose> thx
[07:43] <xerosis_> Riddell: sorry, still learning :)
[08:27] <meven_> i am trying to build it but can't and in techbase it is not precise about it
[08:27] <sebas> "it" is a bit unclear to me.
[08:28] <Tm_T> sebas: you know, it
[08:28] <meven_> kde4
[08:28] <sebas> So what's unclear in techbase?
[08:28] <meven_> i think my first message did not arrived
[08:28] <meven_> about kde4 where is located the makeobj program
[08:28] <Riddell> I fine the techbase tutorial hard to follow (have to create a new user, large edits to .bashrc)
[08:29] <Tm_T> it is bit tricky yes
[08:29] <meven_> is there any other then
[08:29] <sebas> Once you get the hang of it, it's easy ;-)
[08:29] <meven_> easy to say for you :P
[08:30] <sebas> meven_: At which step are you?
[08:30] <meven_> so anyone has a clue just about the cmakeobj command first i tried the tutorial i didn't have this problem
[08:30] <meven_> building dbus
[08:31] <sebas> You can install dbus packages, you know?
[08:31] <fdoving> you don't need to build dbus and cmake
[08:31] <meven_> i a hava the alias make=makeobj
[08:31] <sebas> Works well on feisty
[08:31] <Riddell> meven_: it's in here http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Increased_Productivity_in_KDE4_with_Scripts/.bashrc
[08:31] <fdoving> i guess techbase is wrong on the qt and kubuntu part.
[08:31] <fdoving> you need qt-copy svn.
[08:31] <meven_> ok
[08:31] <meven_> but later i will have to use makeobj ?
[08:31] <fdoving> oh, they have a note about it now. then it's all fine.
[08:32] <Riddell> I don't use that bashrc myself, I just use make
[08:32] <fdoving> meven_: makeobj is in the 'kdesdk-scripts' package.
[08:32] <fdoving> Riddell: cs and cb are nice aliases/functions.
[08:32] <sebas> Riddell: This is aliasing make to makeobj, not the other way round
[08:33] <Riddell> "If you don't have makeobj, install the package named kdesdk-scripts"
[08:33] <sebas> Right :)
[08:33] <meven_> ok  thX
[09:07] <marseillai> wich player is install by default in kubuntu to play embedded video in konqueror ?
[09:08] <Riddell> which version of kubuntu?
[09:11] <Riddell> kmplayer in feisty, kaffeine in gutsy
[09:13] <bonbonthejon> why is kicker restarting/redrawing every so often in gutsy
[09:13] <_StefanS_> bonbonthejon: I think thats a common kde3 problem.. related to qt3 I was told by someone
[09:13] <_StefanS_> bonbonthejon: something about the nature of (re)drawing widgets
[09:14] <bonbonthejon> aye, I wasn't worried, just wanted to know if that was a common event
[09:14] <marseillai> thanks Riddell so kaffeine is my answer
[09:15] <_StefanS_> bonbonthejon: it is common, but it seems like some tray icons upset the kicker more than others (probably forcing some redrawing events)
[09:15] <bonbonthejon> ok
[09:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey I just figured out I have to patch kdelibs/kpassdlg to make wtype_popup available for KpasswordDialog (shouldn't be too difficult), but the popup window is required for the fade to work, and make the window visible
[11:32] <crimsun> man, Glade is uh, weird after working with Qt Designer