[12:32] <ico2> gnomefreak, seems to be working   THANKS!!!
[12:32] <gnomefreak> yw
[01:22] <jimp> The 2007/06/13 gutsy-desktop-powerpc+ps3.iso snapshot doesn't seem to work on the PS3.  Is there a workaround or suggested snapshot image that does?
[01:24] <crimsun> more precisely, please.
[01:25] <jimp> It hangs at the kexec ("Booting system.."
[01:25] <jimp> I figured I'd check to see if this was known before I track it down further.
[01:25] <crimsun> that's more useful. Check linux-source-2.6.22 bugs.
[01:28] <jimp> I saw nothing about it on launchpad, if that's what you mean.
[01:33] <crimsun> would be useful as a report, then.
[01:34] <jimp> ok, I'll poke around and try to figure out what's going on first.
[01:37] <h1st0> okay I'm banned from ubuntu thats nice
[01:37] <h1st0> How'd that happen?
[01:40] <h1st0> Any ops around? *wake up*
[01:42] <crimsun> this is not the channel for such matters.
[01:43] <h1st0> I found the right channel.
[03:16] <tominglis> hey is it possible to upgrade to gutsy from feisty just now?
[03:16] <grumpymole> yes
[03:17] <tominglis> what is the command that i need to use?
[03:18] <grumpymole> a few options: 1 = download a gutsy CD and insert when you insert that, feisty should ask if you want to upgrade
[03:21] <grumpymole> 2 = edit /etc/apt/sources.lst and change all occurrences of feisty to gusty.  then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:21] <grumpymole> option 2 will have lots of updates, obviously
[03:21] <grumpymole> i did this recently
[03:23] <grumpymole> also, for option 2, you will need to prefix those commands with sudo, as they need to execute as root
[03:24] <tominglis> oh ok
[03:24] <tominglis> easy peasy
[03:24] <tominglis> thanks dude
[03:24] <tominglis> is everything broken in gutsy? i do love bug reporting :)
[03:24] <grumpymole> actually, for me, it is working well
[03:25] <tominglis> ok, well i will give it a go
[03:25] <tominglis> does it have 2.6.21?
[03:25] <grumpymole> it depends on which apps you might use.  my feisty install kept freezing the machine, but gutsy is great
[03:25] <calc> tominglis: 2.6.22 i think
[03:25] <tominglis> oh ok that is excellent
[03:25] <grumpymole> 2.6.22-6
[03:25] <calc> Linux ccheney-desktop 2.6.22-6-generic #1 SMP Fri Jun 1 19:24:12 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:25] <calc> yea
[03:26] <tominglis> it has support for my soundcard's input and my tv card and webcam i think
[03:26] <tominglis> thanks guys
[03:26] <tominglis> you are legendary
[03:26] <tominglis> t
[03:26] <grumpymole> no probs
[03:58] <Zelut> anyone have any hints on getting gutsy installed with kvm and qemu?  any time I try it can't find the cdrom and b0rks.
[04:27] <Zelut> I'm using sudo qemu -hda gutsy.img -cdrom gutsy-alternate-i386.iso -boot d -m 384
[04:28] <Zelut> this will load the CD but the installer borks on trying to load the cdrom.
[04:29] <Toma-> try -novm ?
[04:30] <Toma-> or whatever that option is
[04:33] <Zelut> I don't see any similar options on the man page..
[05:48] <jimp> Zelut: -no-kvm
[05:52] <spike723> hello
[06:00] <Zelut> jimp: "qemu: invalid option -- '-no-kvm'"
[06:00] <jimp> Zelut: that's probably not the kvm modified version of qemu, in that case.. so your problem is not related to kvm at least :)
[06:01] <Zelut> jimp: hmm.. I'm using the version of qemu that was a dependency of kvm.
[06:02] <jimp> I'm not sure how the packaging was done.  typically when you get kvm there's a qemu-system-x86_64 or similar that is the kvm enabled version
[06:03] <Zelut> I wonder what I need to do to get the kvm modified version of qemu.
[06:03] <Zelut> all I want to do is test gutsy in kvm. is that so much to ask :)
[07:43] <DanaG> ALSA lib confmisc.c:1286:(snd_func_refer) Unable to find definition 'defaults.namehint.extended'
[07:48] <DanaG> Later:             ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM dmix:Intel
[07:49] <crimsun> are you using an asoundrc?
[07:49] <crimsun> if so, you need to refresh
[07:49] <crimsun> every alsa-lib version upgrade adds new paramaters; you must sync them.
[07:50] <crimsun> I really do document this stuff in the changelogs.
[07:50] <crimsun> Read alsa-utils's changelog.
[08:02] <DanaG> Oh, I'm using the hg version.
[08:02] <DanaG> Is there an easy way to force-reinstall the packaged alsa-libs?
[08:02] <tritium> DanaG: apt-get has a --reinstall option
[08:02] <DanaG> Oh, I see -- alsa-utils failed to install, so .asoundrc.asoundconf is missing things -- either that, or it's the other way around,
[08:03] <DanaG> That first parameter IS set in .asoundrc.asoundconf, but it's not reading it.
[08:06] <DanaG> aah. remove and re-add .asoundrc.asoundconf -- now missing defaults.pcm.dmix.format, but that's just a matter of copying from the one with the last dot as an underscore.
[08:11] <DanaG> I'm too tired to deal with it now -- I purged and reinstalled those packaged, but I still get the same error.
[08:13] <crimsun> no dude
[08:13] <crimsun> asoundconf set-default-card enumerates all the required ones
[08:13] <crimsun> the default section of /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf
[08:16] <DanaG> I do aplay and I still get the same error.
[08:16] <DanaG> Oh, I have an idea: purge the packages again, make uninstall the nonpackaged ones, then reinstall the packaged ones.
[08:23] <DanaG> It seems like no matter what I do, I get either Unable to find definition 'defaults.pcm.dmix.format'  or  the other one (extended...).
[08:24] <DanaG> The .asoundrc.asoundconf has defaults.pcm.dmix_format S32_LE
[08:26] <DanaG> I need to go to bed now; I'll deal with it tomorrow.
[11:38] <_4strO> yop
[01:31] <Emanon> I'm looking for beta testers for an application I wrote called TimeVault that allows you to roll back files to a previous version (like Apple's TimeMachine). Screenshots, initial docs, and .deb installer is on Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/timevault/+download
[01:34] <jrib> -offtopic is still better
[01:44] <dendrobates> Sorry for a dumb question, but where are the nightly builds kept?
[01:45] <varka> dendrobates: i dont know nightly builds, only daily builds and the current one is here http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[01:46] <dendrobates> much obliged.
[01:49] <Emanon> Anyone trying to PM me, I'm not registered on this server so I can't PM
[01:49] <xerosis> Emanon: I did
[01:49] <xerosis> but I answered my question now :)
[01:50] <Emanon> :)
[01:51] <matilda2006> I have 2 specific problem in ubuntu, can anyone help me?
[01:52] <matilda2006> emanon, I have 2 hdd - hdda & hddb
[01:52] <matilda2006> ok
[01:53] <matilda2006> in hdda I have XP installed, in hddb I want to install ubuntu. Is it possible?
[01:53] <jrib> matilda2006: you are installing gutsy?
[01:54] <matilda2006> what is gutsy?
[01:54] <jrib> matilda: it's the development version of ubuntu which is often borken and shouldn't be used by regular users.  This is the support channel for it.  For help with ubuntu, you should ask in #ubuntu
[01:55] <matilda> #ubuntu is not helpful, noone answered me, I wasted a lot of time there.
[01:56] <matilda> Time has a value to me.
[01:56] <jrib> to most people I assume
[01:56] <matilda> I am not intalling that develoment version.
[01:57] <jrib> matilda: you should repeat your question every 20 minutes or so, but you should do so in #ubuntu.  There are other support options as well
[01:57] <jrib> !support > matilda (see the private message from ubotu)
[01:57] <matilda> I downloaded the live cd.
[01:57] <shirish> jrib: I had filed a bug against gutsy , can somebody check https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/120337
[01:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120337 in boinc "boinc fails to be authorized " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[01:57] <shirish> matilda: I have done a tutorial on a forum, lemme just find it
[01:58] <shirish> matilda: lol, there is a far far better way
[01:58] <jrib> shirish: never played with boinc
[01:58] <shirish> matilda ok go to fullcirclemagazine.com & download the e-mag there
[01:58] <shirish> the latest release has full instructions for it.
[01:58] <shirish> jrib: can u just check if something is broken, I was not able to connect with the local machine
[01:59] <matilda> You sure there is a full instruction or I will cry.
[01:59] <jrib> shirish: if I get a chance later, I'll comment
[02:00] <matilda> let me check
[02:00] <shirish> matilda: there is enough for you, if you want to try the alternate installer then you can check my article
[02:00] <matilda> ok
[02:00] <matilda> let me check first
[02:01] <matilda> shirirsh: u r wim?
[02:02] <matilda> shirish: u r wim?
[02:03] <shirish> matilda: hang on, net is kinda slow here atm
[02:03] <matilda> I understan.
[02:03] <shirish> matilda: http://www.techenclave.com/forums/installing-ubuntu-feisty-7-04-through-89192.html?highlight=ubuntu
[02:04] <shirish> http://www.techenclave.com/forums/installing-ubuntu-feisty-7-04-through-89765.html
[02:04] <shirish> but but of them are for the alternate installers
[02:05] <shirish> actually the 1st one is of install, the 2nd is of customizing a bit.
[02:05] <matilda> I have a live cd, I tried to install from that.
[02:05] <shirish> matilda: http://www.fullcirclemagazine.org/ that is the magazine, see issue 1
[02:06] <shirish> its a 6 MBish .pdf file with photos & all
[02:06] <matilda> I have downloade it.
[02:06] <matilda> let me read it for a while and I will come back.
[02:07] <matilda> Please be here.
[02:07] <shirish> I'm here for a while
[02:08] <matilda> I don't whether you are a man or woman but you are the most helpful person here.
[02:08] <shirish> if you run into issues, just take my name so I know somebody needs me
[02:08] <shirish> doesn't really matter as far as things get done.
[02:08] <matilda> I need you and want to be your friend.
[02:08] <matilda> Any problem?
[02:10] <matilda> I have another question for you shirish.
[02:10] <shirish> matilda: shoot
[02:10] <shirish> btw I'm a guy
[02:10] <matilda> very good
[02:11] <matilda> is that pdf has the solution for dual booting?
[02:12] <matilda> I can't cheech that fully right now for it has 42 x 2 = 84 pages
[02:12] <matilda> I suppose.
[02:12] <shirish> i skimmed over it, but it should have, its supposed to be for newbies
[02:12] <matilda> then it will be good for me also.
[02:13] <matilda> where do you live?
[02:16] <shirish> matilda: these kind of questions are not entertained here
[02:16] <shirish> if you want to chat there is #ubuntu-offtopic for that purpose
[02:17] <matilda> you hurt me, sorry for my question, I apologize. Pls don't mind.
[02:17] <matilda> Thank u for your help.
[02:59] <xerosis> has anyone had any sound problems?
[03:28] <crimsun> xerosis: ...a bit lacking on details, there.
[03:29] <xerosis> crimsun: well my sound has stopped but it could easily be my hardware, was seeing if anyone else had any problems
[03:29] <crimsun> again, lacking details
[03:29] <xerosis> crimsun: i don't have any details :p
[03:30] <crimsun> it's a bit difficult to diagnose/troubleshoot when you don't even try
[03:31] <xerosis> well it's kubuntu, everything worked fine yesterday, everything's completely silent today
[03:31] <xerosis> all apps seem to be playing, no output
[03:31] <xerosis> all umuted etc
[03:31] <xerosis> *unmuted
[03:31] <crimsun> right, still lacking details.
[03:31] <crimsun> please read http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/index.php?task=support and tell me the URL of the paste generated by the alsa-info.sh script linked from that page.
[03:33] <xerosis> crimsun: sorry for being vague, i just know it's going to be something obvious, could be my lead connecting the computer to my hifi...
[03:36] <xerosis> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/566473
[03:39] <crimsun> xerosis: what does `aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav` return?
[03:39] <crimsun> ...
[03:39] <crimsun> why are you installing alsa-utils?
[03:40] <xerosis> aplay is in alsa-utils?
[03:40] <crimsun> please don't tell me you removed it
[03:40] <xerosis> i never had it
[03:40] <crimsun> uh...
[03:40] <crimsun> ok, I know I didn't break desktop that badly
[03:40] <crimsun> did you install from server or some other means?
[03:41] <xerosis> nope, just kubuntu feisty -> gutsy
[03:41] <xerosis> don't think it removed anything
[03:41] <crimsun> kubuntu feisty _definitely_ ships with alsa-utils
[03:42] <xerosis> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25545/
[03:42] <crimsun> ah, the alsa-lib skew
[03:42] <crimsun> asoundconf set-default-card Live
[03:43] <crimsun> then try try the aplay command again
[03:43] <xerosis> yay sound :)
[03:43] <crimsun> I really do document this stuff in the changelogs
[03:43] <crimsun> I suspect I'll be repeating myself for the next few weeks until people learn to actually read changelogs for new packages
[03:44] <xerosis> sorry, i wouldn't usually read an alsa changelog, i should start
[03:44] <crimsun> it's documented in the alsa-utils changelog
[03:44] <crimsun> the Ubuntu changelog
[03:45] <xerosis> crimsun: thanks for your help, i promise to read more changelogs :)
[03:46] <crimsun> I strongly recommend you do so.  You're running a development branch where people are expected to act proactively and intelligently.
[03:48] <xerosis> the changelog still means nothing to me
[03:49] <crimsun> I'll make it even more explicit next time, then.
[04:22] <soc> does someone know the status/progress of upstart?
[04:23] <crimsun> makes sense to ask in its dev channel.
[04:23] <crimsun> also, a more precise question would undoubtedly be appreciated by Scott et al.
[04:23] <soc> sorry, ok
[04:23] <soc> seems half of the channels on freenode are somehow ubuntu-related ...
[04:23] <soc> :-P
[04:24] <soc> yet another channel ...
[05:01] <akrus> New Ubuntu icons are so cute!!!
[05:01] <akrus> go go ubuntu!
[05:01] <Toma-> pics?
[05:02] <akrus> nah
[05:02] <akrus> updated synaptic
[05:02] <akrus> and restarted it
[05:02] <akrus> :)
[05:03] <akrus> looks better now :)
[05:03] <Toma-> i c!
[05:03] <akrus> friend of mine has just installed Kubuntu, trying it :)
[06:20] <jimp> crimsun: tjos
[06:20] <jimp> crimsun: oops sorry.  this "alsa-lib skew", I don't see any mention of that in
[06:20] <jimp> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/alsa-utils_1.0.14-1ubuntu1/changelog
[06:20] <jimp> am I just blind?
[06:35] <novello> hi, i've upgraded to gutsy, but libc6 give me some problem, can i downgrade to old libc6? i can't do it by synaptic without remove gnome.... what i can do?
[06:36] <calc> novello: reinstall feisty
[06:36] <novello> :( you have the same problem?
[06:39] <calc> novello: no, but you can't easily downgrade glibc
[06:39] <calc> novello: i'm running gutsy on my desktop and feisty on my laptop
[06:39] <novello> on desktop you have the new libc6?
[06:40] <gnomefreak> dont ever change the version of libc6
[06:40] <gnomefreak> you will end up with nothing but problems
[06:41] <novello> ok, thanks
[06:44] <novello> if i use kde that problems are still?
[07:14] <stefg> Hi, how broken is gutsy at this moment? I just want to have a look, and could upgrade a Feisty-VM (copy). r is it more advisable to go the long way and install tribe1 from  scratch?
[07:15] <Hobbsee> stefg: either works.  doesnt seem too broken at the moment, at least here
[07:15] <crimsun> it's horribly broken.
[07:15] <crimsun> don't use it.
[07:15] <stefg> ok, thx... so an upgrade will do. Just wanted to avoid to dist-upgrade into a currently broken state
[07:16] <stefg> crimsun: i don't want to use it, i just want to have a look :-)
[07:17] <stefg> !upgrade
[07:17] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[07:22] <pwnguin> afaik, the updater's broke
[07:23] <stefg> i go cli anyway
[07:23] <pwnguin> it's been documented, confirmed, investigated, patched and is waiting on one of the core devs to notice
[07:23] <Hobbsee> that...goes without saying
[07:23] <Hobbsee> pwnguin: consider it noticed.
[07:23] <Hobbsee> pwnguin: no point in doing anything about it yet, though.
[07:24] <Hobbsee> pwnguin: bug #?  i wonder what the patch says
[07:24] <pwnguin> why's that?
[07:24] <stefg> Actually i can't recall having seen the updater /not/ broken during the last 3 releases to some degree :-\
[07:24] <pwnguin> the patch says "import os"
[07:24] <Hobbsee> ah right
[07:24] <pwnguin> i probably made the patch wrong
[07:25] <pwnguin> but it's such a trivial fix
[07:25] <Hobbsee> mainly because everything's still changing a lot
[07:28] <pwnguin> bug 118862 if you're still looking for it
[07:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118862 in update-manager "update-manager -c -d DOESN'T work for going to Gutsy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118862
[07:28] <stefg> BTW has anyone attempted to move an install out of a VM to a real partition (not running in VM-Ware). Anything special required to make the install aware of the new hardware, besides obvious things like xorg not running on the vmware-driver any longer?
[07:29] <stefg> and the grub stuff ofcourse
[07:29] <pwnguin> what i dont get is how the automatic dist-upgrade testing spec can be in beta and not have found this
[07:30] <pwnguin> Hobbsee: well thats mean
[07:30] <Hobbsee> why?
[07:30] <Hobbsee> the transitional packages, etc, arent in place yet, because gutsy *keeps changing*
[07:32] <Hobbsee> pwnguin: so that newbies cant automatically run it, and suddenly find themselves running gutsy, basically
[07:32] <Hobbsee> because it doesnt clean-upgrade yet.  or didnt, pre-herd1.
[07:32] <Hobbsee> pwnguin: the metapackages (*-desktop) arent even installable a lot of the time.
[07:32] <Hobbsee> so the upgrader will die regardless
[07:33] <crimsun> oh right, I can blame Hobbsee now for core damage
[07:33] <Hobbsee> when did you upgrade?
[07:33] <Hobbsee> herd ?
[07:33] <Hobbsee> crimsun: no you cant.
[07:33] <crimsun> hurrah.
[07:33] <Hobbsee> although i need to fix some of hte herd 2 milestoned bugs.
[07:33] <stefg> Hobbsee: it's tribes now, no more herds...
[07:34] <Hobbsee> s/herds/tribes/
[07:34] <pwnguin> sometime after tribe 1 i upgraded
[07:34] <crimsun> blame the customers.
[07:34] <pwnguin> since, go figure, just pulling the gutsy kernel into feisty wasn't working perfectly ;)
[07:34] <PriceChild> *groan*
[07:34] <Hobbsee> stefg: it's habit, i'm afraid.  i grammar/sanity checked too many of hte herd releases
[07:34] <Hobbsee> crimsun: oh i do, i do.  batshit insane lady that she was.
[07:35] <Hobbsee> pwnguin: everything was installable then, iirc.  from main, at least
[07:37] <pwnguin> if you honestly don't want anyone to use dist-upgrade, wouldn't removing whatever upgrade-manager polls to find new releases do the trick?
[07:37] <PriceChild> pwnguin, wel that is done... because it won't work unless you give it forcing options...
[07:38] <PriceChild> -c -d or w/e
[07:38] <pwnguin> indeed
[07:38] <Hobbsee> that's done in adept.  release notes dont exist yet.
[07:38] <Hobbsee> not sure how the ubuntu one gets around that either, tbh.
[07:40] <pwnguin> at any rate, this is too much effort to waste on a silly "can't possibly work" bug.
[07:43] <Hobbsee> pwnguin: there was a major update on the 13th...you've checked if that actually fixes the bug, presumably?
[07:43] <pwnguin> in feisty?
[07:44] <Hobbsee> no, in gutsy
[07:44] <Hobbsee> randomly backporting things to gutsy is bad
[07:45] <Hobbsee> withou ttesting
[07:45] <Hobbsee> er to feisty
[07:45] <pwnguin> it would be pretty hard to test that i think
[07:46] <pwnguin> it should discover "hey, theres no new dev version"
[07:46] <pwnguin> and not bother running the python code that fails
[07:46] <gnomefreak> dont use the -d flag and you wont have that problem
[07:50] <pwnguin> gnomefreak: duly noted.
[07:53] <DanaG> Odd, when I do asoundconf set-default-cad Intel,
[07:53] <DanaG> then aplay -L no longer shows iec958.
[07:53] <DanaG> I also get:    ALSA lib confmisc.c:1286:(snd_func_refer) Unable to find definition 'defaults.pcm.dmix.format'
[07:54] <DanaG> .asoundrc.asoundconf sets this:                 defaults.pcm.dmix_format S32_LE
[07:55] <crimsun> that's correct.
[08:00] <DanaG> Even with the difference of format?
[08:00] <DanaG> I mean, dot versus underscore.
[08:01] <DanaG> Later on, I get "Unknown PCM dmix:Intel"
[08:02] <crimsun> it needs to be full stops.
[08:04] <DanaG> What's odd is that asoundconf is making it with underscores.
[08:05] <crimsun> yes, it's a bug
[08:05] <crimsun> I've fixed it
[08:05] <crimsun> try http://trilug.org/~crimsun/asoundconf
[08:05] <DanaG> Once I fix that, I get "Unable to find definition 'defaults.namehint.extended'" -- even though .asoundrc.asoundconf has it defined.  Is that the same bug and fix?
[08:06] <crimsun> you need to rerun asoundconf set-default-card
[08:06] <crimsun> are you using gutsy's alsa-lib?
[08:06] <DanaG> I've gone back to it.
[08:06] <gnomefreak> crimsun: that link is a 404
[08:06] <DanaG> I purged and reinstalled everything related to alsa and libasound.
[08:06] <gnomefreak> well not found
[08:07] <DanaG> Link works for me.
[08:07] <gnomefreak> oh that was irssis fault
[08:07] <gnomefreak> it added the time in there
[08:08] <DanaG> With the linked asoundconf, it fixes the underscore-versus-dot issue, but the other issue is still there.
[08:10] <DanaG> aplay: version 1.0.14 by Jaroslav Kysela <perex@suse.cz>
[08:11] <crimsun> redownload
[08:12] <DanaG> Redownload what -- package, or source?
[08:13] <crimsun> the script, but hold
[08:13] <crimsun> I think I've found an autotools bug
[08:14] <hbx-07> hi
[08:14] <DanaG> Oh, I see, I redownloaded it under a different name -- then diff'd it.
[08:14] <DanaG> I can never remember which way the arrows point in a diff.
[08:14] <hbx-07> if i follow this guide here http://blog.mypapit.net/2007/06/how-to-setup-tor-and-privoxy-in-ubuntu-feisty-fawn.html some proxy test site still shows my IP. any ideas how to troubleshoot that?
[08:17] <pwnguin> DanaG: i find -Naur works best
[08:18] <pwnguin> DanaG: + and -'s seems to make more sense to me
[08:18] <gnomefreak> hbx-07: feisty support is in #ubuntu
[08:19] <hbx-07> asking on a 1000 user channel is pointless
[08:20] <gnomefreak> hbx-07: this channel wont answer you. ask in #ubuntu or #kubuntu
[08:20] <pwnguin> then use answers.launchpad.com
[08:21] <hbx-07> IRC support is a royal pain in the anus. everywhere.
[08:21] <pwnguin> err
[08:21] <pwnguin> .net
[08:21] <gnomefreak> hbx-07: try #launchpad if its strictly iRC
[08:21] <pwnguin> #launchpad?
[08:22] <DanaG> Oh yeah, now it doesn't put those lines in .asoundrc.asoundconf, but I still get the same message.
[08:22] <gnomefreak> yes tor is a way to connect to IRC
[08:23] <gnomefreak> it does other things as well
[08:23] <pwnguin> ah. good point
[08:23] <pwnguin> but why launchpad instead of #freenode?
[08:23] <gnomefreak> oh thats what i meant
[08:23] <gnomefreak> sorry
[08:24] <gnomefreak> he was gone anyway
[08:25] <DanaG> I noticed: the instructions he linked to don't set it to be used for HTTP.
[08:26] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: i think the output you are looking for is only outputed in -ops
[08:26] <PriceChild> true
[08:26] <gnomefreak> unless it was opened up for other channels
[08:26] <crimsun> DanaG: please redownload the script
[08:27] <crimsun> DanaG: remember to nuke ~/.asoundrc* (or back it up out of the way) first, then rerun asoundconf set-default-card foo
[08:27] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: :)
[08:27] <hwilde> is there any reason why the ethernet devices swap names on reboots?  is there something new available to fix this?
[08:28] <DanaG> Cool, now I don't get that error.
[08:28] <DanaG> I wonder why it didn't work before, when it seemed like the lines were already there.
[08:28] <DanaG> Was it just a matter of order?
[08:29] <crimsun> yes, order is very important
[08:29] <crimsun> syntax also didn't match precisely
[08:30] <crimsun> uploaded.  I've credited you in the changelog.
[08:30] <DanaG> Cool.
[08:30] <DanaG> Should you use my real name?
[08:30] <DanaG> Dana Goyette
[08:31] <DanaG> s/Should you/Would you like to/
[08:31] <crimsun> I used whatever's listed in your irc client
[08:31] <crimsun> ircname  : Dana Goyette
[08:31] <DanaG> Cool.
[08:32] <crimsun> you could just read gutsy-changes ;)
[08:33] <DanaG> I see it's a mailing list; is it also a newsgroup that I can set Thunderbird to use?
[08:34] <crimsun> gmane probably "gateways" it
[08:35] <crimsun> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.changes.gutsy
[08:37] <DanaG> aah, nice: one click setup tool.
[08:38] <DanaG> I mean, Thunderbird is default nntp:// handler.
[08:38] <pwnguin> thunderbird can't handle mailing lists?
[08:41] <DanaG> I like to keep them separate.
[08:41] <DanaG> That's one reason I don't use Outlook or Evolution: can't separate POP accounts, for example.
[08:41] <pwnguin> i just forward everything to my gmail account ;)
[08:45] <DanaG> Once the ubuntu-mobile is complete enough to install, I'll put it in a VM.
[08:46] <DanaG> I tried installing ubuntu-mobile on my current system, but I didn't dare let it replace my applications menu structure.  Thus, it was itself broken, but it didn't break anything on the rest of my system.
[08:48] <pwnguin> hmm. "generous amounts of RAM". doesn't sound like the DS
[09:05] <DanaG> There's a #ubuntu-mobile on freenode.
[09:08] <DanaG> Hmm, I hope in the future there will be some preset upmix and downmix virtual devices.  I think over the weekend I'll file a wishlist bug on that.
[09:08] <crimsun> I'm working on that already
[09:08] <crimsun> it will ship it gutsy
[09:09] <crimsun> https://launchpad.net/asoundconf-ui
[09:09] <crimsun> very, very, very rough sketch
[09:09] <crimsun> as in it currently does jack, but I'll be extending the UI from there
[09:10] <crimsun> ship with gutsy, even
[09:12] <nullkuhl> hello
[09:12] <nullkuhl> anyone in htere ?
[09:12] <crimsun> where is "htere" precisely?
[09:13] <nullkuhl> here* lol
[09:13] <pwnguin> halfway between here and there, i think
[09:13] <nullkuhl> iwas thinking abt trying gutsy and i wanted to ask
[09:13] <bonbonthejon> sounds right to me PW
[09:13] <DanaG> That phrasing "ship with gutsy, even," seems odd to me.  I usually use the word "er, ...".
[09:13] <nullkuhl> if it achieved anywish of those that was in the wishlist in the forum
[09:13] <crimsun> DanaG: ?
[09:13] <crimsun> that was a correction of "it will ship it gutsy"
[09:14] <crimsun> but yes, even may just be an eccentricity
[09:14] <pwnguin> too much snagglepuss
[09:14] <nullkuhl> ??
[09:17] <gnomefreak> nullkuhl: if you want somehting added you would more than likely need to file a wishlist bug on launchpad, last i heard devel doesnt troll the forums looking for wishlists
[09:17] <gnomefreak> the maintainers are notified when put on launchpad
[09:19] <pwnguin> pretty much I dont think developers go around looking for what other people want done; they either do what people are willing to pay for, or what interests themselves, sometimes both
[09:19] <gnomefreak> it would be nice to intergate forums (someone takes a forum wishlist and filies it in LP but that hasnt happened yet and i dont even think its been in talks
[09:19] <pwnguin> ive been told that they tried t o gateway the forums
[09:19] <pwnguin> but they undid that
[09:19] <DanaG> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-media/cowon-q5-pmp-with-hsdpa-and-gps-announcedagain-250553.php   <-- /me wishes he could run ubuntu-mobile on one of these.
[09:19] <gnomefreak> pwnguin: we do for what would best suite everyone, but we are not gonna go looking all over web for ideas
[09:20] <pwnguin> that first part didnt parse well
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[11:00] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps it's VLC doing it.
[11:02] <DanaG> Hmm, running nautilus in console doesn't give debug output.
[11:02] <DanaG> I believe I have some medibuntu packages installed, so that makes it harder to debug.
[11:07] <pwnguin> woa
[11:07] <pwnguin> he's right
[11:08] <DanaG> I'll roll everything medibuntu back to official.
[11:09] <pwnguin> i hit properties and nautilus restarts
[11:09] <pwnguin> the reason nautilus doesn't give debug output is because it attaches to another running session
[11:10] <pwnguin> nautilus is also your background (root windows)
[11:11] <pwnguin> unfortunately, im not sure how to stop it from reviving itself
[11:15] <pwnguin> there we go
[11:25] <pwnguin> DanaG: if you're still trying to replicate, make sure to remove nautilus from "current sessions" first
[11:28] <DanaG> Right now I've removed totem-gstreamer and I'll try totem-xine.
[11:33] <pwnguin> bug 118302 says fix committed, and i dont think it has to do with gstreamer vs xine
[11:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118302 in totem "symbol lookup error in libtotem-properties-page.so"" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118302
[11:45] <DanaG> Hmm, why does Nautilus open ~ every single time it starts?
[11:45] <DanaG> The session manager should launch "nautilus -n", not plain "nautilus".
[11:45] <DanaG> for --no-default-window.
[11:46] <pwnguin> does this happen when you log in?
[11:51] <DanaG> Every time the session manager starts Nautilus, be it from login or from Nautilus crashing, it happens.
[12:08] <DanaG> Hmm, pulseaudio is segfaulting... that's not good.
[12:09] <DanaG> What's the relevant -dbg package?
[12:16] <DanaG> It's interesting to do "strings <whatever your swap partition is>"
[12:17] <n738> exit
[12:17] <n738> q
[12:17] <n738> end
[12:24] <pwnguin> hmm. on the one hand, it looks like adding the rotation support i want to nv will be easy
[12:24] <pwnguin>  on the other hand, building could be a huge pita