=== haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xhaker [n=xhaker@a81-84-26-204.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] calc: Yeah, you can't with the current approach === adam0509 [n=benoit@stc92-1-82-227-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] the driver disk could be checked for a 'casper-hooks' folder [12:20] mt [12:20] cjwatson: I just tested your patch, and it works in casper at least [12:20] cjwatson: I have not tried ubiquity yet, however. === crdlb_ [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tri [n=tri@p57ADCC4E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] mikmorg: great === cjwatson munges sync-source to generate Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed fields in .changes if it happens that the Debian maintainer used the LP: syntax === mdz [n=mdz@207.47.10.130.static.nextweb.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] cjwatson: I'm installing as we speak, to test ubiquity. [12:49] heh looks like i should be shooting for half hour ooo builds ;) === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gizmo [n=gizmo@xdsl-84-44-247-136.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-161-220-43.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-161-220-43.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] cjwatson: ubiquity works as well. Job well done! === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@72-255-82-58.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chninkel_ [n=yann@alcyone.pleiades.fr.eu.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Exit,] === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml_ [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico_ [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml_ [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.145.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === varka_ [n=varkatop@p54A5F979.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macd [n=d@adsl-157-21-112.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === roico is now known as roico_sleeping === macd [n=d@cl-116.atl-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cybergod [n=cybergod@cpe-76-181-165-227.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === huahua [n=huahua@60.20.58.41] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] hot compile using ccache of openoffice.org in 42m5s 8) [03:40] not too shabby with my little system [03:40] c2d 6300, 2gb ram [03:40] calc: 42m5s is supposed to be a fast number, right? [03:40] considering it can take some systems upwards of 8h yea [03:41] ooo has ~ 200MB just of object files [03:41] after compilation [03:41] no wonder not many people compile OO.o themselves :-) === gouki_ is now known as goukio === goukio is now known as gouki [03:42] i think it has somewhere around 3GB of source [03:43] hmm maybe only 2gb after all === bo [n=opera@60-234-168-92.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bo [n=opera@60-234-168-92.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mikmorg_ [n=mikmorg@rrcs-24-153-192-208.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-21-86-25.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee eeks [04:05] hello Hobbsee [04:06] hey Hobbsee, ajmitch [04:06] hiya [04:06] hi Burgundavia, how goes unemployment? [04:06] better than exams, i'll guess [04:11] exams aren't too bad === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.100.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:13] ajmitch: physics exams where i missed a lot of the content are! [04:13] true [04:14] but I know you've been busy studying [04:14] hmm, physics exams, fond memories [04:15] ajmitch: of *course*. [04:15] not. [04:17] pop quiz! [04:17] hiya mneptok! === mneptok is wearing pants : [ ] TRUE [] FALSE === Hobbsee pops mneptok with a pin, and watches him burst over the top of the uni === mneptok is filled with confetti! [04:18] let's hope the answer to that is true [04:18] mneptok: True [04:18] you people need more study time [04:18] But we don't want to study your pants. [04:19] no one does. :( [04:19] sanity, my old nemesis. [04:20] hello mneptok [04:20] I never thought you had a problem with sanity? === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:37] ajmitch: no, that's you, being the crotchety old man and all :) [04:38] right === Hobbsee glances at her bugmail implosion again === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-219-120.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:45] awww, we never got below 30K open bugs. [04:48] makes me wonder where the heck they all are, though === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A725DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero__2 [n=jga@pD9E635C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=jack@p508D815B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:03] ajmitch: i have no problem with sanity. mostly as i relegate to a small shed in the backyard. [05:19] ajmitch: it goes === pygi [n=mario@83-131-91-101.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-21-86-25.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:31] good morning folks [05:32] heya pygi [05:33] hello brycerr === j_ack [n=jack@p508D815B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-89-136.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mikmorg_ [n=mikmorg@rrcs-24-153-192-208.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.8.95.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=jack@p508D815B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === roico_sleeping is now known as roico === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mikmorg_ [n=mikmorg@rrcs-24-153-192-208.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:58] It is just me, or should artigas have actually finished building glibc by now? === mvo [n=egon@p54A654CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mikmorg_ [n=mikmorg@rrcs-24-153-192-208.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:08] StevenK: yes.. and it's hanging on an old version too [08:09] infinity: ^^^^ could you please take a look? [08:12] fabbione: Ta. === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:20] keescook: hey! just read in your report that you investiage the SHA* usage in apt === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.211.66.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F770C4.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] good morning === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:54] Good morning === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:pitti] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Tribe-1 released === StevenK waves to pitti [08:55] pitti: topic diff? [08:55] StevenK: removed hug day [08:55] Ah [08:57] StevenK: IRC client? === sahin_w [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:58] StevenK: irrsi-scripts has /usr/share/irssi/scripts/topic-diff.pl which tells you exactly what was changed when someone changes the topic of a channel. [08:58] StevenK: Very handy. [08:59] I've been meaning to update my irssi scripts. [08:59] I've been told autorealname and lightbar are both crap. [08:59] I'm not familiar with those. [08:59] They are both *old* [09:01] I need to fix my theme, too. The blue is a little too dark for black text. [09:02] StevenK: I found a bug in linda, by the way. [09:03] StevenK: It breaks when there are man pages with "::" in the filename. === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A66C4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] Known. [09:04] can a build admin give back at-spi on all architectures? [09:04] I need to get around to uploading 0.3.25 [09:05] same for gnome-vfs-obexftp on sparc please === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lodes [n=lois@adsl-67-127-56-178.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Pumpernickel [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F76167.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F76167.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A658CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] mvo: good morning [09:15] mvo: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! [09:16] mvo: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! :-) === dholbach hugs mvo ecstatically [09:17] mvo: happy birthday :) === |sahin_w| [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=emilio@115.Red-88-27-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] any idea who shall I ping to have post right on ubuntu-devel ? I received a : "Post by non-developer to moderated list." when I wanted to answer to the guy asking about the testing tracker DNS problem === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@34.206-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=emilio@115.Red-88-27-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A6596F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A656AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:39] could the automatic-bug-closing-feature be modified so that it doesn't spam bugs which are already closed? === mikmorg__ [n=mikmorg@rrcs-24-153-192-208.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:40] and where to file a bug if it isn't already? [09:41] tepsipakki: I filed one. Bug 118671 [09:41] Launchpad bug 118671 in soyuz "Changelog-Close feature tries to close already-closed bugs." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118671 [09:45] pochu: nice [09:54] stgraber: new iso tracker is great! === kasina [n=user09@212.49.87.196] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-113-187.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:13] pitti: re source NEW: do we need to do something special (like open bug in LP/MIR-like request) to get packages through source NEW? khalki and kde-tweak are there for weeks now... [10:14] Lure: no, we just need more archive team power [10:14] I'm doing some source NEW atm [10:14] Lure: I'll try to do more tomorrow, but due to seb128's and now Mithrandir's vac it is understaffed [10:14] pitti, seb128: ok, I just though that we did not do something right [10:15] Lure: no, don't worry, we'll get to it; sorry for the delay [10:15] pitti: no problem at all, I just want to understand the process === pitti hugs seb128 [10:15] Lure: if somebody is not right you get a rejection mail === seb128 hugs pitti back [10:15] s/somebody/something === Lure hugs pitti and seb128 [10:17] pitti: does iwj do MIRs now? or who apart from you is it? (I'm asking because of libgda3) [10:18] dholbach: iwj and me [10:18] ah ok - thanks [10:19] dholbach: isn't it only a new upstream version of libgda2? [10:19] yes [10:19] python-gnome-extras will build-depends on it [10:19] and if we do something about planner, we can have the supported gda3 in main and dump gda2 to universe [10:21] right, I'm worried about the duplication, not a soname change === txwikinger2 [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] it's not just a soname change, but a separate maintained branch (gda3 more than gda2) - hopefully all upstream projects will soon switch to it [10:26] Riddell: FYI, strigi needs libextractor, which in turn needs mpeg2dec; these either need MIRs or get dropped === shiyee [n=Shiyee@homer.cs.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] Lure: khalkhi accepted === Lure hugs seb128 === rulus [n=rulus_|@d54C1A033.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.113.139] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico_ is now known as enrico === terminx [i=09dc4336@adsl-68-122-4-149.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === terminx is now known as TerminX === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01] doko: cjwatson: if you have a minute, please push the button to retry gnash on sparc :). [11:02] asac: (I do not have access to do that) [11:02] cjwatson: who has? [11:02] ups, I though you had [11:03] asac: infinity and doko then I guess [11:04] asac: anyone in the launchpad-buildd-admins team [11:04] asac: was gtk updated in the meantime? [11:04] doko: I've uploaded a fixed gtk+ yesterday evening [11:05] doko: yes [11:05] ok, given back [11:05] doko: thanks! === cypher1 [n=cypher1@c-68-83-184-230.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] doko: can you also give back vlc on sparc? [11:06] and dasher everywhere [11:08] seb128: for the same reason? [11:08] yes [11:08] same for gnome-vfs-obexftp on spar [11:08] and at-spi on all archs [11:09] the interface sucks for mass retries === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-123.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [n=sivan@ubuntu/member/sivang] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:12] doko: do you know why openoffice shows up as an rdepend for firefox in dapper? [11:12] seb128, dholbach: all done [11:12] danke [11:12] doko: thanks a lot [11:13] asac: AFAICR it did buidl a plugin to show documents directly in the browser [11:13] should be possible to reenable that for gutsy [11:13] hmmm but i don't see a plugin package? [11:14] doko: in gutsy there is mozilla-openoffice.org package in rdepends ... but in dapper there is just openoffice.org [11:14] openoffice.org is a pure dependency package === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] doko: ah ok ... its just a suggests ... which probably makes not much sense in dapper [11:16] cool === aigarius [i=aigarius@conference/debconf/x-5c4d82bb7c55ee31] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-a29dca7f7fde3903] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:38] doko: Can I ask you a question about weird compiler behaviour ? === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] iwj: asking is free =) [11:43] This is in glibc. [11:43] therefore it costs extra? :) [11:43] :-). [11:43] Bixente: around? [11:43] I have an object file compiled from a .c file I added. The build system generates various object files using different compiler flags. [11:44] In the case of the *.os file, one of the aliases I put in the source seems to have been randomly removed. [11:45] Bixente: you packaged xfce4-time-out-plugin right? Could you fix debian/copyright to mention "Copyright (c) 2007 Jannis Pohlmann " as copyright holder for panel-plugin/time-out-fadeout.c? [11:45] Compiler command line is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25509/ [11:47] The compiler generates a file enospck.so which doesn't contain a weak alias __open (although it has invented __GI___open), despite me requesting it with strong_alias (which is glibc's macro for generating aliases). [11:49] does someone know if the ubuntu apache has some trickery to make it work with utf8 filenames? [11:49] or is it a feature of apache 2.x === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === syp| [n=syp@lasigpc9.epfl.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:51] (What are these __GI_* aliases for, anyway?) [11:52] tepsipakki: feature [11:52] thom: excellent [11:53] seb128: ok i'll fix it [11:54] Bixente: I've just rejected the package and mailed you [11:54] Bixente: sources are un LGPL but COPYING and debian/copyright claim it's GPL [11:54] s/un/under === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === syp| [n=syp@lasigpc9.epfl.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] doko: ^ === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-aac1ce9e95c52e7e] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] iwj: sorry for the delay. but haven't worked with the __GI_* aliases yet [12:13] Right. [12:13] I'm not sure if my problem is anything to do with them. [12:13] What's going wrong is that the compiler is randomly not generating the alias __open (and a couple of others which are similar). [12:13] And only with certain compiler flags. [12:14] The other versions of enospck.*o have it just fine. === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A659B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] do you see the same behaviour with other compiler versions? [12:17] I haven't tried any. [12:17] It takes about 4 hours to build so I'm not keen on that plan :-). [12:19] ISTR reading something about these __GI_* symbols being something to stop the compiler removing things. But I wasn't able to find anything resembling a coherent explanation. [12:19] try to build on ronne, with gcc-4.2 and gcc-snapshot installed; that should cut down the build times with a parallel build [12:19] You really think it might be a bug just in this version ? [12:19] It seems too clean a fault for that somehow. [12:20] the alias doesn't show up in the assembler file when building with -save-temps? === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] Oh, I didn't try that. Let me see ... === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:24] I see .weak __GI___open but no .weak __open [12:25] It's truly bizarre. It generates the weak alias `open' but not `__open' and they're specified identically in the source. === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.113.139] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] doko: Err, it turns out that the difference is already in the -E output so it's the glibc build system that's doing it. [12:38] fun :-/ [12:39] I hadn't previously looked at the -E output _for the .os build_. [12:40] iwj: There still appears to be a warning from update-alternatives. I'll investigate a little further and let you know anything more I stumble over. === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.113.139] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] StevenK: Just a verbatim copy of the warning message would be sufficient. [12:44] It's probably something upstream did. They've reorganised it completely and turned on perl -w. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] iwj: Use of uninitialized value in string ne at /usr/sbin/update-alternatives line 602. === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A6741D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] iwj: It looks like a typo/thinko from my glance at the code. === chmj [n=nik0n@vc-196-207-32-232.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] This is with 1.14.4+svn20070602r802-0ubuntu1 ? === __nerv [n=ux-rox@dslc-082-082-099-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] iwj: That's right. [12:48] It's not a trivial thinko. I'll go back to my libc problems so I don't get distracted. Could you file a bug and assign it to me ? [12:49] Does it happen every time ? A bit of contextual transcript would be ideal. [12:49] iwj: Ahh. I can reproduce it in a clean gutsy chroot by installing fakeroot. [12:50] iwj: I'm happy to debug it and file a bug with a patch if you like. === chmj [n=nik0n@vc-196-207-32-232.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@72-255-82-58.client.stsn.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === nik0n [n=nik0n@vc-196-207-32-232.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nik0n is now known as chmj [01:03] StevenK: Whatever you prefer but it might be easier for me as I've been more or less following what upstream have been doing. === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] StevenK: But helpful would be a tarball of your /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives from before the run that produces the warning. [01:11] iwj: The bug is already filed and assigned to you. Bug 118246 [01:11] Launchpad bug 118246 in dpkg "update-alternatives warnings" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118246 === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.113.139] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] StevenK: Ah, excellent. === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host44-131-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj goes out to bring old computer junk to Cambridge Computer Recycling. === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [i=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] DAMN, I hate having a slightly sticky . key [01:26] mv [01:27] just remove the sesame seed :) === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-154-165.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra wonders why g-p-m introduces at least one new dependency every update :/ grmbl === gizmo [n=gizmo@87.139.112.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Emanon [n=Emanon@ip24-252-111-89.no.no.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk wonders why g-p-m is so fucking stupid [01:40] "Your battery has only 2m left!" [01:40] heh [01:40] ...no it doesn't! [01:40] mine dies at 37% atm [01:40] Keybuk: two meters? === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A66D7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] afaict, what happened was the first time I ran the new g-p-m, it profiled the period when it was on battery as I walked down the stairs [01:40] and it tells me my battery is bad every boot [01:40] so now it is convinced that I only have 2 min of battery power, because that's the longest it's ever seen on battery [01:40] of course, if I could run for longer on battery, it could re-profile [01:41] except I can't, because g-p-m takes immediate action and shuts down my machine [01:41] can you define "profile" ? [01:41] ogra: dunno, seems to be some new bullshit thing g-p-m does [01:41] afaik it just gets live values from hal now [01:41] g-p-m is dumb nowadays [01:41] rather than just get the current time left from the battery, it profiles it [01:41] hmm, weird === pabluk [n=jpablo@200.47.50.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] It's not dumb, just (currently) trying to be too smart === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pabluk [n=jpablo@200.47.50.6] has left #ubuntu-devel ["bye!"] [01:43] mjg59: I assume it's so it tells you how much time your battery really has left, based on real measurements === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:44] Yes [01:44] I need to speak to Richard about it [01:44] well, hughsie likes to experiment at the beginning of a cycle ... [01:44] what I don't understand is why it doesn't use the time the battery thinks until it has seen at least one full charge/discharge cycle [01:44] usually he gets it right along the way [01:44] Keybuk: Right, unless it has evidence that the battery deviates from what it reports it ought to trust the battery === ogra stopped complaining at hime before mid cycle [01:44] yeah, it bites me really bad because it's coupled with two other major bugs [01:45] I'll be chatting to him at guadec [01:45] 1) full computer hang when you plug in the AC cord [01:45] mjg59: will you do the laptop-mode-tools merge, or shall I try it myself? (can't test it, though) [01:45] 2) Network Manager is unable to associate with the wireless on a fresh boot [01:45] Keybuk, that sounds rather like hal or kernel [01:45] pitti: Sorry, I'll get to it [01:45] Full computer hang = kernel bug === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:45] yeah, both seem to be kernel bugs [01:46] the NM one is weird, since dhclient itself just works [01:46] Keybuk: Which driver? [01:46] it looks like the kernel isn't giving the right info to HAL which isn't giving the right info to NM [01:46] mjg59: ipw3945 [01:46] Keybuk: Does it happen if you boot with the AC plugged in? [01:46] StevenK: yes [01:46] Keybuk: ipw3945 or iwlwifi? [01:46] Keybuk: Neat. [01:46] mjg59: ipw [01:46] Ok [01:47] I blame softmac [01:47] I wondered whether it has anything to do with HAL gaining software-control support for the hardware kill switch on the Dells [01:47] Doubt it [01:47] because toggling the kill switch cures the problem [01:47] I suspect it'd also work fine if you force a reassociation === Emanon [n=Emanon@ip24-252-111-89.no.no.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === lionel [n=lionel@ip-211.net-81-220-127.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] mjg59: that doesn't seem to work [01:48] though not sure how to force one === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] Keybuk, what about reloading the module ? [01:49] Keybuk: While n-m is in the broken state (no green circles), select your network again [01:49] thats what helps me on my broadcom [01:49] mjg59: yeah, tried that, that doesn't fix it [01:49] ogra: doesn't fix NM [01:49] ogra: He's already got a workaround, the aim is to try to work out what the problem actually is [01:49] Keybuk: Ok. Just to check that the symptoms are what I think they are - n-m never associates (draws the first green circle)? === pygi [n=mario@83-131-74-151.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] hey folks [01:50] mjg59: NM never draws any green circles [01:50] mjg59: it sticks at two empty circles [01:50] Keybuk: Right. [01:50] Keybuk: So n-m is never getting the association event. It's basically impossible for it to get that wrong, which means softmac is never sending it properly [01:50] toggling the hardware kill switch on and off makes NM draw the first circle, then the next [01:50] right [01:51] Toggling the hardware kill switch makes the interface reassociate without actually taking it down [01:51] So it sends another event, which /does/ get through softmac this time [01:51] which explains why dhclient works, since that doesn't bother checking ;) [01:51] Yes [01:51] that sounds like an entirely reasonable description of a bug which would cause my symptoms [01:51] gnomefreak: iceape-calendar binary is empty; I'll accept it for now, but I guess it should be fixed [01:51] You want to talk to Tim about that. He managed to track down the issue, though in 2.6.20 it only seemed to hit bcm43xx and zd1211rw [01:51] pitti: ok thank you ill look at it today [01:52] pitti: Sorry, things have just been hectic. I'm planning on blitzing all of this stuff during Debconf === svolpe [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] mjg59: no problem, I just wanted to confirm that someone is at it [01:53] Keybuk: mhm ... since when it doesn't draw green circles? === pygi remembers he saw them === ogra wonders for the reason for g-p-m to depend on gstreamer ... [01:53] pygi: When it's broken [01:53] mjg59: oh, that's possible [01:53] sorry [01:53] pygi: "gutsy" [01:53] Keybuk: yea, didn't use that for wireless yet :-/ [01:53] Keybuk: We should actually fix that - replacing grey circles with green ones is an accessibility nightmare [01:53] mjg59: nice weather for Debconf; I always think Edinburgh looks at its best in rain and thunderstorms [01:53] it has the architecture and geography to carry it off with style [01:54] Keybuk: Oh yes [01:54] seb128, is gnome_sound_play still not switched to gstreamer ? it seems a but odd if apps start to introduce their own gstreamer dep to play one ping sound [01:54] s/but/bit/ [01:54] ogra: no, it's not, and they don't intend to I think [01:54] gah [01:54] so we'll have esd eternally ? [01:54] thats bad [01:54] pitti: thanks for letting iceape in ... gnomefreak will take care for -calendar [01:54] :) [01:55] ogra: no sure of what the plans are, but I think somebody said they don't want to make every app link to gst only for that [01:57] well, adding gst to gnome_sound_play would make the apps depend on gnomenot on gst ... [01:58] would probably still affect desktop memory use a bit [01:59] having a centralized function instead of loading the libs for every single app ? i dont think that will make a *big* difference [02:00] the thing is that most apps have the gnome dep anyway [02:00] they are trying to deprecated libgnome and libgnomeui [02:00] nw they get an additional one instead of fixing the actual problem [02:00] deprecate === DreamThief [n=mathias@unaffiliated/dreamthief] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] ah, that would work as well indeed [02:01] anything that lets us drop esd is fine ... ;) === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Quitte"] [02:10] dholbach: human-icon-theme seems good to sync from debian, they've done some fancy packaging to include the appropriate distro specific bits. shall I file a sync request? [02:14] dholbach: it would mean losing our changelog is the only issue === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A67672.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.113.139] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@234.sub-75-196-5.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fnordus [n=dnall@24.85.128.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xxxxx1 [n=will@44125.static.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-72-216.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] hey everyone [02:38] hey Hobbsee [02:38] stgraber: you should be able to post unmoderated to ubuntu-devel now [02:38] :) [02:39] cjwatson: thank you [02:39] speaking of which, if anyone would like to get involved with ubuntu-devel moderation, I'd welcome community folks to help take care of that - please let me know === Hobbsee declares that exams need to die. [02:39] hello Hobbsee === Hobbsee ponders that for exactly 1.5 seconds. === mario_ [n=mario@83-131-90-171.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mario_ is now known as pygi === antonym55 [n=antony@58.61.176.135] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:51] hi [02:52] hiya pygi [02:52] cjwatson: out of curiousity - what's the S/N ratio on ubuntu-devel, pre-filtering? === robertj [n=rcaskey@cai17.music.uga.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:58] Hobbsee: counting or discounting spam? [03:02] cjwatson: um...perhaps both. [03:02] cjwatson: what are the stats, when counting spam, or when not counting spam? [03:02] i was originally thinking with it - but both stats are useful [03:03] Hobbsee: counting spam it's like 40 or 50/1 [03:04] Hobbsee: discounting it, it's hard to say accurately because I tend to let whole threads through once they've started, but maybe 4/1 [03:04] err, you said S/N, so 1/4 [03:05] as in, you're only letting thru 25% of non-spam mail. wow === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A65C6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] Hobbsee: it's really hard to say, and it might be better than that [03:12] actually, it probably is better than that, because I only see the stuff that's held for moderation [03:12] a lot of people's addresses are whitelisted [03:12] point [03:12] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelModeration has some guidelines I've been trying to establish [03:15] cjwatson: looks sane [03:15] except maybe the "Point of contact for upstream developers to reach Ubuntu developers" - thoought that was -discuss === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A67C58.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee chops off mvo__'s tail. [03:21] there can only be one mvo! === StevenK hums the theme to Highlander. [03:21] mvo: cursing your provider again? ;) [03:21] seb128: oh yes [03:22] mvo: why is your provider always so bad :P === mvo looks up in the CoC if cursing is allowed [03:22] I think my ISP hates me [03:22] mvo: "Oh T-Online, how I loathe and desipe thee?" [03:22] meh, T-* sucks very much [03:22] mvo: against ISP's? yes. [03:23] mvo: even defenestration is allowed, in some circumstances [03:23] I'm curious how you plan to defenestrate Telstra. [03:23] i'll find a way [03:23] Heh === Hobbsee might just defenestrate pygi instead. [03:24] you cannot touch me [03:24] (funny word) [03:24] Hobbsee: oh, that part is just a quote from the original charter ... === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:25] ah right === pbn [i=pbn@wopr.geekshells.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:26] Goddamnit, this machine is always being rebooted === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:30] Riddell: when you open a sync request and a patch can be dropped could you mention which one or what it was doing and why it can be dropped? === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye!"] === xhaker_ [n=xhaker@a81-84-26-204.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.113.139] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:37] seb128: sure, let me add a comment === xhaker_ is now known as xhaker [03:38] BenC: FYI, kexec-tools MIR approved, promoted [03:38] pitti: thanks [03:39] seb128: done [03:39] Riddell: thanks [03:39] pitti: patch commited for typo in coredump handler [03:39] BenC: just saw it, thanks === superm1 [i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] pitti: Current gutsy is an ABI bump, but if you want to test the tree, it should be good (sans lum/lrm) === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@206-248-181-179.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:42] Riddell: I think they drop the distro icon [03:43] Riddell: that was last time I checked and I didn't just sync it [03:43] Riddell: I don't care about the changelog, so if that's the only thing, .... :) [03:43] dholbach, Riddell: I did sync it sync there was a sync bug open [03:43] Riddell, seb128: ok, I'll check it once again === stratus [i=stratus@conference/debconf/x-b59f0c767c3e6ca5] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:45] dholbach: though I didn't flush the sync queue yet so I can undo, let me know [03:45] dholbach: distributor-logo.png is still there, with build system stuff to work out which one to put there [03:48] Riddell: ok, sounds good [03:48] let's do it then [03:49] I think seb128 is ahead of us :) [03:49] hey dholbach [03:49] dholbach: are you going to look at tangerine-icon-theme? I suspect it's in a similar position === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:50] i'll look at it in a bit === Hobbsee hugs dholbach === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach hugs Hobbsee back [03:52] :) === pygi in turn kicks Hobbsee :) === j_ack [n=jack@p508D84DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee gives pygi a BOOT TO THE HEAD. [03:53] Hobbsee: sorry, you know you can't do me anything [03:54] Hobbsee, is the stick in for repairs? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.113.139] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:54] elkbuntu: nah, she knows she can't touch me [03:54] pygi, well of course, she wasnt going to... that's the whole point of the stick ;) [03:54] hehe [03:54] nope [03:54] elkbuntu: no, no. I mean she can't do anything to me === Hobbsee just has multiple weapons === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:59] doko: ufsparse moved to main [04:00] doko: lp-solve as well, so happy OO.o building :) === txwikinger2 [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:04] scarey. latest upgrade... or something... broke /var/lib/dpkg/available [04:04] EOF after field name Original-Maintainer [04:04] Sure enough, it was an empty field. [04:04] Filled it in with "foo" and it works now. [04:04] Original-Maintainer something new and perhaps busted? [04:05] Which package? [04:06] wasabi: that field exists for over a year, probalby just a particular package where it's broken [04:06] pitti: thanks, will enable it [04:06] libnss3-0d [04:06] Sure, but that package broke dpkg. [04:06] That's not really... good. [04:06] $ acsh libnss3-0d|grep Original [04:06] Original-Maintainer: Maintainers of Mozilla-related packages [04:06] hmm, looks fine here [04:06] Mine was empty. [04:06] In fact, that was the last field in my available file. [04:06] wasabi: i have seen stuff like that happening at random with fs corruption or bad ram [04:06] wasabi: which version? [04:07] Which makes me wonder if something ... was torn off the end. [04:07] i would rather spend time checking that than a broken package [04:07] looks like a local corruption indeed [04:07] bah. [04:07] [51806.444903] Call Trace:[51806.444925] [] get_slab+0x1ca/0x260[51806.444931] [