[12:06] <mpt> Perhaps it was a keyboard layout that required Shift for "-"
[01:01] <cjwatson> mpt: I was about to claim without proof that there were no such layouts, but sadly there are ;-)
[01:02] <cjwatson> ca(multi-2gr) and ca(multix). Those freaky Canadians
[01:03] <cjwatson> and the user in question came from an IP owned by a Montreal ISP, so you might actually be right ...
[01:33] <Elwell> Hey folks, is there a way to dump out progress into a preseed file to use on other machines?
[01:33] <Elwell> explicitly d-i partman stuff :-)
[01:35] <cjwatson> you can run debconf-get-selections --installer after installation
[01:36] <Elwell> aha. ta
[01:36] <cjwatson> but in the case of partman that won't be very useful, since partman needs to be preseeded with a special recipe
[01:36] <cjwatson> and debconf-get-selections won't give you that, I'm afraid
[01:36] <cjwatson> it should be somewhat helpful with the rest, but do look through it in conjunction with the installation guide as it probably won't be appropriate exactly as-is
[01:36] <Elwell> I'm looking at the exanple expert_recipie parts
[01:36] <Elwell> but they don't have an LVM example
[01:37] <cjwatson> I know LVM preseeding is possible, but I'm afraid I'm not an expert on it yet
[01:37] <Elwell> :-) yeah - 'twas I who poked bigkevmcd earlier
[01:38] <cjwatson> there is some mention of lvm in the partman-auto-recipe.txt document
[01:38] <Elwell> I promise to write this up if I get it working
[01:38] <cjwatson> ah
[01:38] <cjwatson> yeah, I'm going to need to become an expert in order to get Kickstart going for it
[01:39] <Elwell> [background - was going to install 25 machines with Scientific Linux 5 (RHEL5 clone) then discovered that the bundled firefox is still 1.5.0.10.
[01:39] <Elwell> so decided to go ubuntu as per my laptop] 
[03:24] <blackskad> hi all
[03:24] <blackskad> cjwatson: I attached a patch to bug #45690, however it's not conform to the hig
[03:24] <blackskad> what would you propose so it conforms to the hig?
[03:26] <cjwatson> blackskad: would be better to have non-stock text and translate that in the same way we translate stuff like "Continue using the live CD" and "Restart now" (via debian/ubiquity.templates and special widget names that ubiquity knows to go and translate)
[03:28] <blackskad> cjwatson: ok, and what text would you use? I would use something as "continue" and "abort"
[03:30] <cjwatson> it's possibly worth noting that OOo uses save/discard/cancel and gedit uses close without saving / cancel / save as
[03:31] <cjwatson> so cancel doesn't *seem* to be forbidden there ..
[03:31] <cjwatson> but anyway, strings like "Continue installing" and "Abort the installation" sound like they'd work
[03:32] <cjwatson> or maybe
[03:32] <cjwatson> "Do you really want to abort the installation now, or would you like to continue?"
[03:32] <cjwatson> "Continue" "Abort"
[03:33] <cjwatson> (current dialog text is "Do you really want to abort the installation now?")
[03:33] <cjwatson> I like reusing the verbs from the text
[03:33] <cjwatson> only trick is to make sure the translators are aware of that, but that can be done with comments
[03:34] <blackskad> cancel sounds fine if the other choices are well defined, so that the meaning of cancel is clear too, which is not realy the case
[03:34] <cjwatson> maybe "... or would you like to continue installing?"
[03:34] <cjwatson> mm, abort and cancel are too similar in meaning for that to be clear I think
[03:34] <cjwatson> so I think abort and continue are fair enough
[03:35] <blackskad> yes, those continue and abort should do fine
[03:35] <blackskad> I'll try to make up a patch
[03:36] <blackskad> it might take a while though :)
[03:37] <cjwatson> grep for the ids of other widgets that are translated and it should help to understand how it works
[03:37] <cjwatson> these should be one of the widgets that are translated immediately when you select a language on the language page (before hitting next)
[03:40] <blackskad> ok, I'll try to figure it out
[03:40] <blackskad> can I ping you when I encounter a problem?
[03:44] <cjwatson> sure
[04:55] <mark> grr, dovecot in feisty is rather broken
[10:58] (cjwatson/#ubuntu-installer) one problem is that outside the installer what you want is for the LVM to be activated immediately
[10:59] (cjwatson/#ubuntu-installer) but inside the installer, that's not entirely obviously the case - I wanted to think about whether that would cause problems for the partitioner
[11:02] <Elwell> in my case I want to blow the HDD's completely and start afresh
[11:02] <Elwell> (preinstalled Dell XP stuff...)
[11:03] <Elwell> The reason for the delay is I'm rebuilding the same box over and over till I get the kickstart/preseed working
[11:03] <Elwell> so get bitten by the timeout
[11:04] <Elwell> tempted to see if I can do something like pxeboot into a "mini setup" system to get things laid out, then reboot into the ubuntu install
[11:05] <cjwatson> ok, check with Keybuk then
[11:05] <cjwatson> he's usually around UK business hours, or mail him
[11:05] <Elwell> ta. I suspect I'll still be working on this tomorrow
[11:16] <Elwell> OK - http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/amd64/apb.html.en -- has the ubuntu installer diverged wildly from the debian one?
[11:21] <cjwatson> Elwell: not *wildly*, but a bit; try https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/appendix-preseed.html
[11:24] <Elwell> ta. what package is the source for that - still "debian-installer"?
[11:46] <mirkobuholzer> where can I find a list of answers to run ubiquity with the <noui>?
[11:50] <superm1> cjwatson, were there any other rough edges you wanted me to look into before I attempted to cleanly add our files as deriving from your files' as base classes?