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| DarkSun88 | Hi all | 02:58 |
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| calc | also notice the channel itself says 16:00 (oops) ;) | 04:46 |
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| Riddell | calc: that comes from friday, nixternal is changing it now | 04:47 |
| Riddell | err | 04:47 |
| Riddell | calc: that comes from fridge, nixternal is changing it now | 04:47 |
| nixternal | it should refresh here shortly | 04:47 |
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| calc | ok | 04:48 |
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| Keybuk | in reality, the times of the meeting are 16:00 Europe/London and 21:00 Europe/London | 04:55 |
| Keybuk | the UTC gets adjusted depending on the time of year | 04:55 |
| Keybuk | if it could be entered into a calendar like that, it would work | 04:55 |
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| pitti | #include <hello.h> | 04:57 |
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| === fabbione is here | ||
| bryyce | heya all | 04:59 |
| asac | HELLO_MAIN(asac, waves) | 04:59 |
| bdmurray | here | 04:59 |
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| heno | hello | 05:00 |
| === shawarma waves | ||
| evand | hi | 05:00 |
| dendrobates | hey all | 05:00 |
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| mathiaz | hello | 05:00 |
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| dholbach | ({#'sprintf, "Hello %s!\n", ({#'call_other, ({#'this_player}), "query_name" }) .... or something :) | 05:01 |
| === ogra waves | ||
| Keybuk | sorry about the timezone confusion, everybody | 05:01 |
| ogra | :) | 05:01 |
| heno | erm, yeah sorry :-/ | 05:01 |
| === Hobbsee waves | ||
| BenC | cjwatson: no sign of amit on either irc server...rtg still out of town I suspect, and kyle is en route to google so can't be on | 05:02 |
| fabbione | db_get random_greeting | 05:02 |
| fabbione | echo $RET | 05:02 |
| fabbione | hellp | 05:02 |
| Keybuk | no sign of mvo? | 05:02 |
| === calc is here | ||
| BenC | you do need help if you quote debconf syntax for psuedo code :) | 05:02 |
| dholbach | Keybuk: he said he'd be here - I'll call him (maybe still having his birthday cake or something) | 05:02 |
| dholbach | he might still have thought it'd be one hour later | 05:03 |
| fabbione | BenC: that would actually work module a template and sourcing debconf library :P | 05:03 |
| fabbione | BenC: but yes.. i agreee.. | 05:03 |
| Keybuk | yes, I noticed that | 05:03 |
| Keybuk | I almost added a new section to the agenda | 05:03 |
| keescook | dholbach: scheme? lisp? | 05:03 |
| Keybuk | talking of which | 05:03 |
| dholbach | Keybuk: line is busy - I'll retry | 05:03 |
| Keybuk | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelTeamMeeting20070614 | 05:04 |
| dholbach | keescook: LPC (I hacked in a MUD ages ago... :-)) | 05:04 |
| cjwatson | sorry I'm late; traffic sucked today | 05:05 |
| keescook | dholbach: aaah, heh. | 05:05 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 Jun 17:00 UTC: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 19:00 UTC: Technical Board | 20 Jun 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 18:00 UTC: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | ||
| === bryyce waves to cjwatson | ||
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| calc | heh still showing UTC times | 05:06 |
| === cjwatson counts on fingers | ||
| Hobbsee | cjwatson: hah. you're close enough that you can :) | 05:06 |
| === Hobbsee uses kclock | ||
| Keybuk | so, we have new starters today | 05:07 |
| === dendrobates yeah | ||
| Keybuk | Amit, who most of you met at UDS, has joined the kernel team (but hasn't turned up to this meeting <g>) | 05:07 |
| Keybuk | calc: has joined us to maintain OpenOffice.org | 05:07 |
| Riddell | hi calc! | 05:08 |
| shawarma | Hi, calc! Welcome to the team! | 05:08 |
| calc | hello everyone :) | 05:08 |
| === keescook hugs calc | ||
| mathiaz | hi calc | 05:08 |
| asac | welcome calc! | 05:08 |
| === evand waves | ||
| Keybuk | and dendrobates has joined as the Ubuntu Server Technical Lead | 05:08 |
| === BenC wondered why calc suddenly showed up in #kernel :) | ||
| === keescook hugs dendrobates | ||
| === dendrobates waves to everyone | ||
| seb128 | welcome calc | 05:08 |
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| shawarma | dendrobates: hi, boss! Welcome to the team. :) | 05:08 |
| evand | welcome calc and dendrobates! | 05:08 |
| === BenC waves back | ||
| mathiaz | welcome dendrobates | 05:09 |
| asac | hi dendrobates | 05:09 |
| dholbach | welcome dendrobates and calc :-) | 05:09 |
| pitti | calc: all the best for OO.o! | 05:09 |
| seb128 | Hi dendrobates | 05:09 |
| === agoliveira waves all and apologises for being late | ||
| calc | pitti: thx | 05:09 |
| Keybuk | for those keeping score, that brings the distro team up to 24 people | 05:09 |
| Keybuk | agoliveira: that's ok, we weren't expecting you anyway | 05:09 |
| Keybuk | agoliveira: those at conferences are excused if they can't make it ;) | 05:10 |
| agoliveira | Thanks but I'm actually just wating in the lobby of the hotel so it made sense ;) | 05:10 |
| Keybuk | 28 if you include mdz, cjwatson, heno and myself | 05:10 |
| Riddell | I think you four count :) | 05:11 |
| Keybuk | we still have quite a few more positions open | 05:11 |
| Keybuk | so expect to grow by at least another 8 before the year is out | 05:11 |
| iwj | We are *exploding*. | 05:12 |
| iwj | I'm looking forward to meeting all you new guys in London. | 05:12 |
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| dholbach | yeah, me too :) | 05:12 |
| Keybuk | Claire has reminded me to nag you all about booking your travel arrangements to London | 05:12 |
| Keybuk | and once booked, please make sure you put them onto the wiki | 05:13 |
| Keybuk | and if you have any particular room-mate preference, note that too | 05:13 |
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| cjwatson | we have a very short agenda this week; any more items for it? | 05:14 |
| cjwatson | (not that I am complaining) | 05:14 |
| agoliveira | anyone who does not snore and do not smoke is fine to me ;_ | 05:14 |
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| ogra | agoliveira, not me then :) | 05:14 |
| Riddell | no smoking in England by then | 05:14 |
| cjwatson | agoliveira: smoking indoors will be illegal at that point | 05:14 |
| BenC | agoliveira: very limiting choices :) | 05:14 |
| fabbione | i snore like a tractor on steroids | 05:14 |
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| fabbione | BenC: can confirm that | 05:14 |
| ogra | cjwatson, even outside smokers smell :) | 05:14 |
| ogra | for people who care at least | 05:15 |
| cjwatson | iwj: we need to play the distro team game in London; it's been some time | 05:15 |
| === Hobbsee cringes. australian clean air is good! :P | ||
| cjwatson | and it's a lot harder now | 05:15 |
| keescook | cjwatson: "the" distro team game? | 05:15 |
| fabbione | keescook: you are too new for that :) | 05:15 |
| cjwatson | that's "name all the members of the distro team. no notes allowed." | 05:16 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: we did it in Oslo you and I... | 05:16 |
| keescook | hah | 05:16 |
| ogra | ouch | 05:16 |
| shawarma | Ha! | 05:16 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: including history :) | 05:16 |
| mvo | hi | 05:16 |
| iwj | Maybe we should have a field `snores (yes/no)' on the roommate list, to be filled in by the previous roommate :-). | 05:16 |
| cjwatson | ok, agenda | 05:16 |
| pitti | ugh, that really becomes tricky now | 05:16 |
| cjwatson | (keescook) VMWare WS6 license needed | 05:16 |
| dholbach | hi mvo | 05:16 |
| bryyce | hehe | 05:16 |
| ogra | iwj, i usually add it ... | 05:16 |
| cjwatson | fabbione was chasing that up | 05:16 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: no word, I gather? | 05:16 |
| ogra | but then i usually add my data late :) | 05:16 |
| Keybuk | before we move onto kees agenda | 05:16 |
| fabbione | keescook: i mailed mdy 3 weeks ago.. | 05:16 |
| Keybuk | one other quick announcement | 05:16 |
| fabbione | no news yet | 05:16 |
| Keybuk | HAPPY BIRTHDAY MVO! | 05:16 |
| fabbione | ehhe | 05:16 |
| ogra | MVO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 05:16 |
| keescook | \o/ | 05:16 |
| === seb128 hugs mvo | ||
| === shawarma hugs mvo | ||
| bryyce | congrats mvo | 05:16 |
| iwj | mvo: Happy birthday! | 05:17 |
| asac | mvo: happy birthday!! | 05:17 |
| shawarma | Happy birthday, dude! | 05:17 |
| evand | happy birthday | 05:17 |
| === dholbach hugs mvo too | ||
| === seb128 hugs mvo again ;) | ||
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| ogra | haha | 05:17 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: nope.. i will try bitching^Wasking again tomorrow | 05:17 |
| mathiaz | happy birthday ! | 05:17 |
| keescook | haha | 05:17 |
| bdmurray | happy birthday mvo | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | hahaha | 05:17 |
| === agoliveira hugs mvo | ||
| ogra | MVO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 05:17 |
| === seb128 hugs mvo_ again ;) | ||
| === dholbach hugs mvo too | ||
| cjwatson | fabbione: ok, please mail distro-team if you hear anything useful | 05:17 |
| dholbach | haha :) | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | someone paste the backscroll, if mvo_'s actually here... | 05:17 |
| seb128 | mvo_: your ISP is still loving you? ;) | 05:17 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: will do as soon as i have info | 05:17 |
| === asac hugs mvo | ||
| cjwatson | release readiness update | 05:17 |
| === mvo_ grumbles about his ISP | ||
| keescook | cjwatson: I didn't intend it to be an agenda item, actually. BenC, fabbione and mdy are all on it, afaik. :) | 05:17 |
| === mvo_ hugs asac | ||
| cjwatson | pitti: do you have a convenient link for tribe-2 bugs? | 05:18 |
| cjwatson | keescook: *nod* | 05:18 |
| Keybuk | I'll try and mail jp directly | 05:18 |
| Keybuk | I may have more luck | 05:18 |
| BenC | cjwatson: I got the licenses this morning from JP, mdy will add them to the wiki | 05:18 |
| cjwatson | aha, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/tribe-2 | 05:18 |
| mvo_ | thanks everybody for the happy birthday wishes! | 05:18 |
| keescook | BenC: oh, very cool! | 05:18 |
| pitti | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/tribe-2 | 05:18 |
| shawarma | for now we're supposed to use vmware 5.X, is that it? Becuase I'm too stupid to find a link to that anywhere on VMWare's homepage.. | 05:18 |
| === mvo_ hugs Keybuk ogra shawarma seb128 dholbach | ||
| pitti | it would be nice if everyone could take a look and check whether he can grab one of the unassigned ones | 05:19 |
| fabbione | BenC: mail distro team directly? pointless to bounce trough me agian | 05:19 |
| keescook | shawarma: I wasn't able to get 5.x working on 2.6.22 so I switched to ws6 | 05:19 |
| BenC | once they are on the wiki, I'll post to distro-team | 05:19 |
| calc | query cjwatson | 05:19 |
| Keybuk | BenC: thanks | 05:19 |
| fabbione | BenC: ok thanks | 05:19 |
| === Keybuk cancels the e-mail | ||
| === Hobbsee hands calc a "/" | ||
| agoliveira | Can I get one of those too? I'm doing the embedded tests on vmware as well. | 05:19 |
| calc | Hobbsee: heh | 05:19 |
| shawarma | keescook: Didn't BenC have a fix for that? | 05:19 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: so you'll chase people for the copious KDE milestone bugs? | 05:20 |
| BenC | I have a fix for 2.6.22+ws6, but nothing with 5.x | 05:20 |
| agoliveira | BenC: Thanks. | 05:20 |
| BenC | any-any isn't working either | 05:20 |
| Hobbsee | any kde bugs listed on that tribe 2 list, i'm the contact for, i believe - so if anyone feels like fixing them, it might be worth checking with me if someone's already working on tehm, or has expressed interest in them | 05:20 |
| shawarma | BenC: Ah, right. My bad. | 05:20 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: typing, typing. i'm a slow typer today | 05:20 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: with regard to that kubuntu-desktop recommends bug | 05:20 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: the general plan we had for Ubuntu was to identify the stuff that really makes up the important bits of an Ubuntu desktop - stuff like the panel, gnome-session, critical things | 05:21 |
| pitti | BenC: there are quite a lot of kernel bugs on the tribe-2 list; anything that is particularly hard and probably won't make it for tribe-2? | 05:21 |
| Hobbsee | cjwatson: right. | 05:21 |
| cjwatson | but make many of the others Recommends so that they can be swapped out | 05:21 |
| BenC | pitti: I'll review them today | 05:21 |
| cjwatson | they will still be installed by default | 05:21 |
| pitti | BenC: cheers | 05:21 |
| Hobbsee | cjwatson: that was my view, but Riddell didnt really agree with me. | 05:21 |
| cjwatson | it's one of the things that comes up in reviews quite a lot - people get confused when they have to remove the metapackages for stuff they should be able to replace | 05:21 |
| BenC | bug #109320 is actually against evms | 05:22 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 109320 in evms "evms blocks access to disk devices" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109320 | 05:22 |
| iwj | metapackages> If only we had proper implementation of Replaces ... | 05:22 |
| BenC | Keybuk: did you do that patch and upload yet? | 05:22 |
| Keybuk | BenC: not yet, see my update ealier | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: i'll be chasing people, yes. | 05:22 |
| Keybuk | mostly waiting from upstream for comment | 05:22 |
| iwj | I mean, we could do away with transitional packages. | 05:22 |
| Keybuk | for comment from upstream | 05:22 |
| Keybuk | speak like yodo, do I | 05:22 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: if that's the policy that's fine with me, although there seems to be a higher threshold for critial things than you desribe above | 05:22 |
| cjwatson | iwj: transitional yes, but I don't think that helps with -desktop | 05:23 |
| BenC | pitti: they all look doable for tribe-2 | 05:23 |
| iwj | cjwatson: No, indeed. | 05:23 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: I'm relatively easy about the precise place where the line is drawn | 05:23 |
| keescook | *head explodey* etoomanyconversations | 05:23 |
| iwj | cjwatson: Oh, I see what you meant now. Yes, I agree. | 05:23 |
| cjwatson | I've taken 120107 | 05:23 |
| cjwatson | Hobbsee: 108870 should be fix-released? | 05:24 |
| seb128 | bug #108870 | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | bug 108870 | 05:24 |
| bdmurray | Riddell: could you look at bug 119408? it has not been confirmed yet | 05:24 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 108870 in kubuntu-default-settings "[Feisty regression] install two or more debian files with right click on them and install doesn't work" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108870 | 05:24 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 119408 in kde-guidance "[gutsy] kde-guidance power manager causes screen to turn off" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119408 | 05:24 |
| cjwatson | pitti: I'm at debconf next week, so I might have to postpone bug 118744 to tribe-3 | 05:25 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 118744 in gfxboot "no gfxboot in gutsy with new syslinux" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118744 | 05:25 |
| Riddell | bdmurray: 108870 should go away with gdebi-kde | 05:25 |
| Hobbsee | cjwatson: yes. was going to double check it actually *fixed* the bug before i did that, though | 05:25 |
| pitti | cjwatson: WFM, the current workaround works fine | 05:25 |
| pitti | cjwatson: it's mainly a reminder to clean it up at some time before beta | 05:25 |
| Riddell | bdmurray: 119408 I've heard some people say, and the other guidance developers have looked at it, but I'm not sure if we found a reason it affects some people | 05:25 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: yes | 05:26 |
| bdmurray | Riddell: okay, if you need some testing done let me know | 05:26 |
| cjwatson | BenC: linux-backports-modules-2.6.22? | 05:27 |
| BenC | cjwatson: oof, yeah, need to get that out | 05:27 |
| cjwatson | should be trivial | 05:27 |
| BenC | empty upload, Just Do It | 05:27 |
| BenC | get it out with next kernel upload | 05:28 |
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| fabbione | BenC: i need my toys with the next upload please... | 05:28 |
| cjwatson | ok, I don't think there's much else to discuss here, then | 05:28 |
| cjwatson | any other business? | 05:28 |
| BenC | fabbione: I got something you can play with :P | 05:28 |
| fabbione | BenC: cows? | 05:28 |
| pitti | I did some anastacia/MIR/cruft cleanup today, will do some more in the future | 05:28 |
| bdmurray | Hug Day schedule | 05:28 |
| BenC | fabbione: yes, gfs1/gfs2 will be ready next upload | 05:28 |
| pitti | s/future/next couple of days/ | 05:28 |
| fabbione | BenC: cool thanks | 05:28 |
| BenC | fabbione: they sometimes fetch pine cones | 05:28 |
| fabbione | ROFL | 05:29 |
| cjwatson | bdmurray: how did the last one go? I didn't see a whole lot in #ubuntu-devel, but perhaps there was more in #ubuntu-bugs | 05:29 |
| seb128 | pitti: I'll give you an hand on that, I did some source NEW, syncs and backports cleaning this week | 05:29 |
| bryyce | yeah I think most of the action was in #ubuntu-bugs | 05:29 |
| bdmurray | cjwatson: it went well bryce and kees did a lot of work | 05:29 |
| Hobbsee | cjwatson: i got the amarok upstream guys helping to triage the amarok bugs :D | 05:29 |
| pitti | seb128: you rock | 05:29 |
| cjwatson | Hobbsee: excellent | 05:29 |
| seb128 | pitti: you too ;) | 05:29 |
| bdmurray | yeah, that was great too | 05:29 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 05:29 |
| cjwatson | bdmurray: what would you like the schedule to be? | 05:29 |
| cjwatson | or are we talking about the developer assignments? | 05:30 |
| seb128 | there was quite some activity in #ubuntu-bugs yesterday | 05:30 |
| dholbach | seb128 did a lot too and I managed to get a bunch of bugs tagged as 'packaging', 'needs-packaging', 'bitesize' and 'upgrade' | 05:30 |
| bdmurray | Next one should be the 27th I think so I'm wondering who will be available then | 05:30 |
| cjwatson | is the rota on the wiki somewhere? | 05:30 |
| bdmurray | The one after that is a bit odd as 2 weeks would be the distro sprint | 05:31 |
| fabbione | bdmurray: that might be more fun | 05:31 |
| fabbione | with all of us in the same room.. | 05:31 |
| bdmurray | cjwatson: do you mean the Hug Day schedule or the volunteers? | 05:31 |
| cjwatson | bdmurray: the latter | 05:31 |
| fabbione | we just need to figure who cleans the blood from the walls | 05:31 |
| bdmurray | fabbione: my concern there would be it would less talking on IRC | 05:31 |
| bdmurray | cjwatson: no, that isn't in the wiki | 05:32 |
| fabbione | bdmurray: you would be surprised how 10 nerds in a room spend more time talking on IRC than face to face :) | 05:32 |
| dholbach | bdmurray: I think everybody of us is geeky enough to talk on IRC even if we are sitting in the same room ;-) | 05:32 |
| calc | so someone needs to bring duct tape ;) | 05:32 |
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| heno | I don't think there is a rota; we should set one up | 05:33 |
| cjwatson | I think that would help, so that we can see who's gone before | 05:33 |
| cjwatson | heno: will you take care of that? | 05:33 |
| bdmurray | The week before the sprint would be closer to the Tribe 2 release though. | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | bdmurray: i'd agree with you @ the less talking on irc - it becomes very much a canonical-only event that wya - or the feeling of it. | 05:34 |
| heno | sure, anyone esp. interested in joining the next bug day? ... | 05:35 |
| cjwatson | ACTION: heno to set up skeleton bug day developer rota and mail to distro-team | 05:35 |
| cjwatson | heno: let's get it up in a form that people can add to it, and we can hassle folks later | 05:35 |
| heno | right | 05:35 |
| cjwatson | bdmurray: I'd be happy with the week before the sprint | 05:35 |
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| cjwatson | if you're happy to have bug days in two consecutive weeks | 05:35 |
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| bdmurray | I think that makes more sense than waiting until after Tribe 3 | 05:36 |
| cjwatson | amitk: welcome, although we're just finishing up ;-) | 05:36 |
| bdmurray | However, there is a US holiday on July 4th which is a Wednesday | 05:37 |
| amitk | cjwatson: sorry, I lost track of time | 05:37 |
| agoliveira | Sorry guys, got go. Boss is calling! Bye! | 05:37 |
| calc | bdmurray: thu should be fine at least for the US | 05:37 |
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| calc | bdmurray: but yea you probably won't find many people in the US online on july 4th ;) | 05:38 |
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| bdmurray | so 6/27 and 7/5 then? | 05:38 |
| heno | sounds good | 05:38 |
| bdmurray | and then 7/25 | 05:38 |
| bdmurray | which is after Tribe 3 | 05:38 |
| cjwatson | that works | 05:39 |
| cjwatson | we should be settling down pretty well with feature development by then | 05:39 |
| bryyce | one thing that might be worthwhile would be to define a goal, like close 300 bugs (1% of total) | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | there was an aim yesterday of dropping it to 30K bugs. that seemed useful | 05:40 |
| cjwatson | recent bug days seem to have been trying to tackle particular sets of problems, so goals in line with those would be good | 05:40 |
| calc | looks like ~ 70 new bugs since the bug day yesterday | 05:40 |
| heno | right, and other parts of triage than just cosing bugs are important as well | 05:40 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: did it success to go under the 30k line? ;) | 05:40 |
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| calc | seb128: hit around 30070 | 05:40 |
| calc | http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/ | 05:42 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: i think it was down to 30080. what calc said. | 05:42 |
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| keescook | I love that our goal is no longer "make bugs reduce in number" but has moved on to "get below some number". nice work. :) | 05:42 |
| Hobbsee | sigh. and then it went back up again. | 05:42 |
| heno | so when are we turning apport back on for gutsy? | 05:42 |
| Hobbsee | what i want to know is where the heck all these bugs are. | 05:42 |
| seb128 | keescook: let's enjoy the week where apport is not running :p | 05:42 |
| bdmurray | I think a fair number of the new ones were sync requests | 05:42 |
| keescook | seb128: heheh | 05:42 |
| heno | that will bring the exponential growth back ... | 05:42 |
| pitti | I really want to wait until we get the private bug filing | 05:42 |
| calc | Hobbsee: a huge chunk of bugs are on oo.o | 05:42 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 05:42 |
| pitti | the fix for that is in review | 05:42 |
| pitti | also, dup detection is online now, so I hope it won't get that bad | 05:42 |
| seb128 | pitti: there is no hurry | 05:42 |
| asac | pitti: ETA? | 05:42 |
| zul | Hobbsee: i think there is over 700 kernel bugs as well | 05:43 |
| pitti | asac: I don't know, next LP rollout I hope | 05:43 |
| Hobbsee | ah, fair enough | 05:43 |
| asac | pitti: i would prefer to get firefox crashes on asap | 05:43 |
| heno | I wonder if there is an optimal time in the cycle to get crash reports? | 05:43 |
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| pitti | asac: right; but we shuold really stop people from exposing their login credentials etc. to the public | 05:43 |
| cjwatson | heno: right after finishing whatever feature you've just been working on, IME | 05:43 |
| shawarma | Hobbsee: Yes. | 05:43 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: yes, for crashers | 05:43 |
| Hobbsee | right. | 05:43 |
| pitti | private bugs -> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CrashReporting please | 05:44 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: ^ | 05:44 |
| asac | pitti: yes ... but we did that for a long time ... so a week or so won't hurt imo :) | 05:44 |
| calc | hmm i only see 123 bugs on openoffice.org scribblers page but i am pretty sure there are a lot more than that | 05:44 |
| asac | pitti: but yes, i agree that private is important | 05:44 |
| iwj | Has the thing been fixed where you get three mails about every crash ? | 05:44 |
| iwj | It's really only useful to get at most one. | 05:44 |
| cjwatson | calc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org says 491 | 05:44 |
| iwj | Also, TBH I think it would be better not to regard apport crashes as bugs per se. | 05:44 |
| cjwatson | 6 on -l10n | 05:44 |
| dholbach | 4 on -amd64 | 05:45 |
| shawarma | iwj: How do you figure that? | 05:45 |
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| pitti | iwj: indeed; there are some plans, if you are interested, let's talk about it in #devel | 05:45 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: looks sane. | 05:45 |
| calc | cjwatson: yea i guess just 123 are assigned to the group or something to that effect | 05:45 |
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| iwj | pitti: OK. | 05:46 |
| asac | pitti: if you talk about that, summon me please :) | 05:46 |
| calc | there are slightly over 500 bugs for all the openoffice packages scribblers maintains | 05:46 |
| pitti | asac: noted | 05:46 |
| iwj | shawarma: I get about one report a month of a crash or other similar malfunction in dpkg and these nowadays almost invariably turn out to be `user has completely broken computer and pureed filesystem'. | 05:46 |
| pitti | calc: so, good luck with fixing all of them until tribe-2 | 05:47 |
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| calc | pitti: lmao | 05:47 |
| cjwatson | ok, can the rest of this go to #ubuntu-devel? | 05:47 |
| bdmurray | calc: relatively speaking it isn't that many though | 05:47 |
| cjwatson | it sounds like we're done here | 05:47 |
| iwj | dpkg isn't that huge a memory user. So extrapolating, I imagine that a fair proportion of crash reports in oo.o and firefox and the like are just bad hardware. | 05:47 |
| shawarma | iwj: Right, but as a general rule, don't you think an apport generated bug report represents an actual bug? | 05:48 |
| cjwatson | certainly ubiquity bugs are disproportionately bad hardware | 05:48 |
| iwj | shawarma: In the case of dpkg clearly the answer is no. | 05:48 |
| cjwatson | although the ones that aren't are significant | 05:48 |
| calc | bdmurray: yea only about 1.7% | 05:48 |
| shawarma | iwj: hence "general rule". :) | 05:48 |
| bdmurray | so Hobbsee asking about where they all are is a good question | 05:48 |
| bdmurray | or interesting | 05:48 |
| iwj | `As a general rule, all X are Y' `No, here is a big subclass of X which are usually not'. | 05:48 |
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| iwj | What you mean is `As a general rule, most X are Y' which may be true but we don't know. | 05:49 |
| iwj | Anyway. | 05:49 |
| calc | bdmurray: is there a way to extract a report of bugs per package to get a top offending list? | 05:49 |
| iwj | Are we planning to have the team dinner on the Friday night or earlier ? I'm just thinking about people missing flights, you understand :-). | 05:49 |
| Hobbsee | bdmurray: i'd like to see a https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs for all bugs in ubuntu, but i havent badgered the #launchpad guys as to how feasible it is, and to get an ETA on it. | 05:49 |
| iwj | (I mean, for the London sprint.) | 05:49 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: do you know? I hadn't heard | 05:49 |
| shawarma | iwj: I did not know that dpkg bugs were really a big subclass of Ubuntu bugs. I would have expected dpkg to have extraordinarily few bugs reported, actually. | 05:49 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: Friday, I understand | 05:50 |
| Keybuk | I don't care, as long as it's not at Pizza Express | 05:50 |
| Keybuk | ;) | 05:50 |
| bdmurray | calc: bugnumbers -p --stats I think | 05:50 |
| bryyce | mmm pizza | 05:50 |
| keescook | iwj: I'd love the dinner to be Wed or earlier; I'm only there a half week | 05:50 |
| bryyce | $ bugnumbers -p --stats | 05:50 |
| bryyce | Package '--stats' not found. | 05:50 |
| cjwatson | sprint dinner requests -> distro-team | 05:51 |
| dholbach | bdmurray: -p openoffice.org ? | 05:51 |
| calc | ah bughelper | 05:51 |
| cjwatson | sounds like we're done, then | 05:51 |
| cjwatson | adjourned | 05:51 |
| dendrobates | What exactly would be on a British pizza? | 05:51 |
| dholbach | thanks | 05:51 |
| bryyce | cya | 05:51 |
| mvo | thanks | 05:51 |
| shawarma | iwj: /win 55 | 05:51 |
| shawarma | whoops | 05:51 |
| evand | thanks | 05:51 |
| bdmurray | bryyce: it might be in the bzr tree only | 05:51 |
| Keybuk | shawarma: /lose 60 | 05:51 |
| Riddell | dendrobates: in Edinburgh, deep fried | 05:51 |
| dendrobates | ha | 05:51 |
| bdmurray | dholbach: yeah ./bugnumbers -p openoffice.org --stats | 05:51 |
| Riddell | hope to see lots of people in Edinburgh next week | 05:51 |
| shawarma | Keybuk: No fair! | 05:51 |
| dholbach | bugnumbers love for everybody | 05:52 |
| cjwatson | dendrobates: smog | 05:52 |
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| mathiaz | thks. bye | 05:52 |
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| keescook | bye all | 05:52 |
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| dendrobates | bye | 05:52 |
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| dholbach | bye mvo | 05:52 |
| pitti | thanks all | 05:53 |
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