Burgundaviashawarma: -directory12:14
leonelScottK-laptop: for  CVE-2007-2650  CVE-2007-2029  for dapper   I can't  fix it because  it's reported and resolved in  0.90.3  and the code has changed    debian has not relased update for sarge's clamav  and for  CVE-2006-6481  debian  added extra functionality and I can't tell what modifications are exactly for that cve  just for the  Dapper's CVE-2007-1745  I have patched 12:15
ubotuThe OLE2 parser in Clam AntiVirus (ClamAV) allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service (resource consumption) via an OLE2 file with (1) a large property size or (2) a loop in the FAT file block chain that triggers an infinite loop, as demonstrated via a crafted DOC file. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-2650)12:15
ubotuFile descriptor leak in the PDF handler in Clam AntiVirus (ClamAV) allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service via a crafted PDF file. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-2029)12:15
ubotuClam AntiVirus (ClamAV) 0.88.6 allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service (stack overflow and application crash) by wrapping many layers of multipart/mixed content around a document, a different vulnerability than CVE-2006-5874 and CVE-2006-6406. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2006-6481)12:15
ubotuThe chm_decompress_stream function in libclamav/chmunpack.c in Clam AntiVirus (ClamAV) before 0.90.2 leaks file descriptors, which has unknown impact and attack vectors involving a crafted CHM file, a different vulnerability than CVE-2007-0897.  NOTE: some of these details are obtained from third party information. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-1745)12:15
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AndyPgeser: linux/wireless.h includes linux/if.h, the problem is a recent change in linux/wireless.h where some includes have been surrounded by an #ifdef __KERNEL__ block in order to "sanitise" the header. if you're interested the change is at http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=baef186519c69b11cf7e48c26e75feb1e6173baa12:18
ScottK-laptopleonel: All you can do is what you can do.12:19
ScottK-laptopleonel: You've been making good contributions.12:20
AndyPgeser: apparently it should be using iwlib.h instead, which I've tried and it built with that but then rt2500-source still doesn't build using module-assistant once it's installed... i'm also wondering if this should be a kernel team thing because feisty's kernel had the rt2500 module in by default (as far as i can see)12:20
AndyPs/feisty's kernel/& package/12:21
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AndyPso yeah, i guess i should paste all that into a bug report now...12:23
leonelScottK-laptop: so .. to  call it unfinish  what's to be done ?12:29
ScottK-laptopleonel: We need to figure out how to backport the 0.90 versions to Dapper/Edgy as discussed at the last MOTU meeting.12:29
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leonelScottK-laptop: ok  let's see what can we do  in that  area12:30
geserAndyP: that would be good. I only looked at the build report and saw there a missing IFNAMSIZ12:45
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SlimGHow do I insert a non-ascii character into a ascii document? (using groff_char)12:51
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DktrKranzif you have some time to spend, could you please take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5287 ?12:53
DktrKranznight all :)12:53
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StevenKshawarma: I am now.01:15
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SlimGI'm packaging a game with only one binary, Should I place the binary directly into /usr/games/ or should it still be located in /usr/share/games/<gamename>/  ?01:16
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ScottK-laptopSlimG: /usr/share/games/<gamename>/01:20
SlimGScottK-laptop: thanks01:21
minghuaScottK-laptop: why?  If the binary is compiled, it surely shouldn't be under /usr/share/?01:24
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crimsunmeaning /usr/games/ ?01:26
crimsunnot sure why /usr/share/ would be relevant01:27
ScottK-laptopThe question I was answering was if it should go in a package name subdir and I think it should.01:27
crimsunthe ones I have installed don't use such01:28
minghuacrimsun: a lot of games put data files in /usr/share/games/<name>/, but I don't see the reason to put executable binary there01:28
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crimsunbsdmainutils, patchutils, gnome-games, fortune-mod01:28
minghua(even if it's arch-independent)01:28
minghuacrimsun: try wesnoth :-)01:28
crimsunI'm speaking of executable binaries, of course01:29
crimsun/usr/share/games/ is trivially useful 01:29
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gesercompiled binaries (arch-dependent) shouldn't be below /usr/share01:31
crimsunright, we're in agreement there01:31
crimsunthe binary, say named foo, should be /usr/games/foo01:32
ScottK-laptopFor usr/share a pacakage specific sub dir is recommended, but not required.  HFS is silent on subdir in usr/games.01:34
StevenKFHS, even?01:34
ScottK-laptopYeah.  That one.01:34
StevenKI wouldn't suggest a subdirectory under /usr/games. /usr/games is in the PATH, but /usr/games/* isn't.01:35
ScottK-laptopSorry.  Trying to do IRC and listen in a meeting at the same time.01:35
ScottK-laptopMakes sense.01:35
minghuaokay, seems there is a consensus01:36
minghuaSlimG: you should put your game binary in /usr/games/01:36
SlimGminghua: thanks for clearing that up for me, I'll remember that01:38
SlimGWhat's the right way to read /usr/share/doc/<package>/copyright ?01:41
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ScottK-laptopMeeting's over, see you all later....01:54
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jribif anyone would like to review a new package: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5444 thanks! (by the way, is it annoying for me to keep asking every day, should I just post to the mailing list and shutup?)02:10
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minghuajrib: once per day is absolutely fine in my opinion02:13
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nixternalwhat is the proper way of using the requestsync script?02:35
AndyPdear thunderbird, grow a reply-to-list button, kthxbai!02:35
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StevenKnixternal: requestsync <source> <release>02:36
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StevenKnixternal: You'll need a deb-src line for <release>, and the DEBEMAIL environment variable set.02:37
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nixternalI have DEBEMAIL set already in .bashrc02:38
nixternalhow do I add the deb-src line, or where?02:38
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StevenKnixternal: /etc/apt/sources.list02:38
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nixternalMOTU: bug 12030002:52
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120300 in kftpgrabber "Please synce kftpgrabber (0.8.1-1) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12030002:52
nixternalsimple sync02:52
nixternalall Ubuntu changes (1 of them) can be dropped as Debian included our patch02:54
AndyPah i love it when debian does that :)02:57
nixternalme too02:57
nixternalfboudra is cool like that though02:58
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SlimGWhere should the .svg Icon mentioned in /usr/share/applications/example.desktop be placed?03:17
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minghua/usr/share/icons/<somewhere>/scalable/apps/, I think03:20
minghuaI am also not sure the <somewhere> part03:21
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SlimGminghua: the only icons dirs on my kubuntu is containing scalable folder is mono, crystalsvg and hicolor, so I guess the hicolor is the one I should use..?03:27
SlimGs/kubuntu is/kubuntu/03:28
AndyPSlimG: in those situations i usually look at where other packages are putting their similar files (probably not the best way to do it but it's an "if in doubt, go with the flock" solution)03:30
leonelhow do I can  know  what packages without being installed   depend on  some lib ?03:30
minghualeonel: apt-cache show <packagename>03:30
minghuaor apt-cache rdepends <libpackagename>, not sure what you meant03:31
leonelminghua: I mean  I have  libclamav2   and I need to know  what packages  need  libclamav2  even  if those packages are not installed03:32
SlimGAndyP: As I mentioned, I'll go with the flock and use /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps , sure hope the flock is right :)03:32
leonelrdpends ?03:32
minghualeonel: yes, the rdepends one03:32
leonelthanks  it is03:32
AndyPSlimG: "For example, installing a svg icon in $prefix/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps means most desktops will have one icon that works for all sizes." -- http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html#install_icons03:38
AndyPyay for definitive answers03:38
SlimGAndyP: thanks :)03:40
SlimGwhat's the difference between .svg and .svgz? is the extra "z" for gzipped svg files?03:41
AndyPSlimG: yup03:41
SlimGAndyP: Should the file inside example.svgz also be named example.svgz ?03:43
SlimGor just .svg ?03:43
AndyPSlimG: you mean the original uncompressed file? .svg03:45
SlimGAndyP: (yes, the original uncompressed) should example.desktop refer to example.svg or example.svgz then?03:48
AndyPSlimG: whichever one you're installing, at a guess :)03:48
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bobbobanyone on?03:49
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TheMusoHey folks.04:16
Hobbseehiya TheMuso 04:17
AndyPgood night folks04:40
Hobbseenight welshbyte04:41
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zakamegood day MOTUs05:04
zakameanyone doing xmms2 merge?05:05
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leonelhey zakame  05:12
zakameyo leonel how goes clamav?05:12
leonelbad bad  there are  2 cve which  are for  0.90.X  and  need to backport to 88.2  and I can't tell what to patch  since the code has changed in 0.9005:14
snerfuI would like to merge my rewrite of stendhal someday.05:14
zakamehave you brought upstream in to help you out?05:14
leonelno I haven't 05:15
leonelhow can that be done ?  I'm  new  here 05:15
zakamelookup clamav's debian/copyright for author info, or lookup their website for contacts05:16
leonelzakame: great  thanks  I'll contact them 05:22
leonelzakame: what's for  openjdk  in ubuntu   , do you know any plans for it ?05:22
zakameleonel: np :)05:24
leonelnp == no plans ?05:25
Burgundavialeonel: icedtea is packaged for Debian05:27
leonelso a merge has to be done ?05:28
jsgotangcoicedtea is a package? heh05:29
leoneli've tried those debs  but can't install on feisty 05:29
zakamejsgotangco: nestea?05:31
jsgotangcozakame: i like our "local" bottled tea thank you, less sugary05:32
zakamehmm libfaad isn't in gutsy?05:32
leonelwell got to  go ..05:34
zakameoh, libfaad2-dev in multiverse05:36
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zakameheya man-di_05:52
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ScottK-laptopAny experienced MOTUs available to answer a newbie MOTU question...07:16
=== ScottK-laptop dput a NEW package from REVU today (I was the second advocate) and I don't see it anywhere.
ScottK-laptopDo I have to dput differently for a NEW package?07:16
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crimsunwhich did you upload?07:21
LucidFoxI have submitted 5 new needs-packaging bugs to Launchpad07:22
ScottK-laptopnixternal: libreadonly-perl07:23
ScottK-laptopOops.  Wrong issue to point nixternal at.07:23
ScottK-laptopcrimsun:  libreadonly-perl07:23
crimsunScottK-laptop: did you receive an upload accept?07:24
crimsunmaybe I need DRI enabled for this new Flash plugin beta07:25
ScottK-laptopcrimsun: I did not.07:28
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crimsunScottK-laptop: reupload it07:28
ScottK-laptopcrimsun: Thanks.07:28
crimsunmm, nope, DRI doesn't do it.07:28
crimsun9.0.60.120 is definitely broken.  Not uploading.07:28
ScottK-laptopcrimsun: Did I do something wrong or is this just stuff happens sometimes?07:28
crimsunScottK-laptop: it happens sometimes, though it's not supposed to.07:29
ScottK-laptopThis was my first NEW upload...07:29
ScottK-laptopOK.  Thanks.07:29
crimsunmake sure you signed it with your usual key, etc.07:29
zakameooh new perl module :)07:29
ScottK-laptopI did debsign -m and the usual e-mail address just like I would for someone else's merge.07:30
zakameusually a debuild -S -sa should do07:30
ScottK-laptopNot if it's not my name in the changelog because I didn't package it.07:30
crimsunsure you can, just pass the correct -k0xfoo07:30
ScottK-laptopAh..  That would do it.07:32
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crimsunanyone who feels the urge to fix bug 120319, please realise that the beta version is utterly broken.07:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120319 in flashplugin-nonfree "[UPDATE]  New beta of the flashplayer available" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12031907:36
crimsunThe release notes mention a workaround, but of course it's impossible to apply the workaround, since it crashes the web browser.07:37
crimsunI'm not even sure how they managed to release it; it's a 100% regression from the final 9.0.31.  No sites work at all.07:38
zakamehmm yet another worse-than-fail?07:39
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crimsunit appears to initialise fine, but it never actually does anything07:39
zakameI see07:40
ScottK-laptopFor Flash, isn't that a feature?07:40
zakamehmm what ffmpeg issues are there blocking xmms2?07:40
zakamebug 84381?07:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 84381 in ffmpeg "[apport]  ffmpeg crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8438107:40
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zakamehmm xmm2 seems to build fine now08:03
StevenKOn the buildds?08:04
zakameno just on my chroot, will check08:05
ScottK-laptopjdong: According to LP you all published the python-spf backport for edgy last month - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyspf08:05
StevenKzakame: xmms2 was strange, in that it will build fine everywhere, *aside* from the buildds.08:06
StevenKcase in $(hostname -f) ; *ubuntu.com) fail_build_randomly ;; esac08:07
jussi01hello everyone...08:07
zakamehmm the new DrJekyll version seems to have overhauled its build system08:12
StevenKIt moved to cmake, didn't it?08:12
zakameno more direct scons calls, there's a ./waf script that drives the build08:12
StevenKzakame: waf is derived from scons.08:15
zakameah, cool08:16
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zakamewaah xmms2 should really get reorganized into several source pkgs08:30
zakameno wonder why the build fails selectively, its trying to be a God Package...08:31
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dholbachgood morning08:47
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zakamehmm let's see if this new xmms2 builds on the buildds...08:56
Fujitsuzakame: Good luck.08:56
FujitsuYou'll need it.08:57
zakameFujitsu: thanks, wiping my keyboard with it now. :D09:03
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ScottK-laptopFujitsu: Any chance you'd take a look at python-scipy.  I managed to break it and am unsure how to proceed.  I test built python-scipy (0.5.2-9ubuntu1) in my pbuilder before I uploaded it and it built (I'd updated it a few days before).  It FTBFS on the buildd's.  I updated my pbuilder and it would no longer build for me.  09:04
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FujitsuScottK-laptop: Sure, I'll have a look.09:05
FujitsuI'd really like it if LP allowed subscriptions to packages for getting notification of uploads/FTBFSes/etc.09:05
ScottK-laptopFujitsu: Thanks.  Here's the traceback from the FTBFS: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25482/09:07
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porthoseI uploaded ampache- to REVU but discovered it has a serious problem can I get a MOTU to nuke that upload please09:18
dholbachporthose: can't you just re-upload?09:18
porthoseyou can do that?09:18
ScottK-laptopFujitsu: I need to get to bed.  With luck, this hotel internet connection will stay up.  If you have any suggestions on what I can do to fix it, please let me know and I'll work on it (of course if you want to fix it, don't let me get in your way).09:19
ScottK-laptopporthose: dput -f09:19
porthosecool I'll do that thanks09:19
FujitsuScottK-laptop: Sure, I'll probably fix it myself, but maybe not.09:19
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zakameooh xmms2 starts building09:59
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zakamenow depwaits on most arches10:23
geserzakame: is it perheps because libfaad2-dev is in multiverse and xmms2 in universe?10:29
crimsunspeaking of which, shouldn't we merge the new faad2 from Debian?10:32
crimsunyes, there will be some hellacious package mangling to be done, but it's worth it IMO10:32
dholbachTheMuso: espeak uploaded - just noticed: shouldn't espeak-data be arch: all?10:32
crimsunand if faad2 is in Debian main, we should be able to ask for its promotion to Ubuntu universe10:34
zakamegeser: yep10:34
zakameit should be in universe10:34
zakameanyway we're early, so I think its doable :)10:34
gesercrimsun: I asked slomo about it during the merges for feisty. IIRC ours faad2 is severely patched which makes merging very difficult10:34
crimsunI wonder if there's any specific reason we should retain ours instead of using Debian's10:35
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geserzakame: either move xmms2 to universe or don't build-depend on libfaad2-dev till it moved to universe10:35
zakamegeser: xmms2 is in universe10:35
crimsun*xmms2 to multiverse10:35
zakameheavily patched? I see only 5 in debian/patches10:38
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zakamejust about the big patch is in 09_amd64.diff10:42
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zakameperhaps on the binary pkgs produced may affect this; debian has a different set than ubuntu10:43
zakamelooking at the versions though, I'd say we have a totally different faad2 from debian's10:44
dholbachREVU DAY TODAY10:45
dholbachoh and Q&A session today10:45
dholbachwas anybody at the 0:00 UTC ones?10:45
dholbachoh... I won't be able to be at the 12:00 UTC one10:46
dholbachdoes anybody feel up to doing it?10:46
geserzakame: slomo mailed me that Debian's faad2 has 64bit problems which our doesn't and that every version after ours has a GPL incompatible license which makes the Debian packages useless10:46
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BugMaNbug #46013 it's a single line fix, if some universe sponsor can be check... :)10:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 46013 in backupninja "mail-command instead of rmail" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4601310:48
dholbachheno: today is a REVU day, not a Universe HUG DAY afaik10:48
zakamegeser: ah, there we go10:48
dholbachand MOTU Q&A hours at 12:00 UTC10:48
henodholbach: ooops, I've been picking up on rumors :/10:49
dholbachheno: we'll decide on a new Universe HUG DAY in tomorrow's MOTU meeting10:49
henooh, well. I'll run my own little universe hug day then10:49
dholbachheno: best to check the MOTU Team header - it has al lthe dates10:49
zakamedholbach: hmm like knuth's all questions answered? :)10:49
henoah, ok10:49
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henoso it does10:50
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zakamegeser: wouldn't xmms2 to multiverse probably surprise users (at least)?10:51
geseryes, I would prefer to build xmms2 without libfaad2-dev instead of moving it to multiverse10:52
zakameI gather there's a better way than to just comment out faad2-relevant packages in debian/control, then.10:52
imbrandonprobably --without-faad2 in the debian/rules configure options if it uses autofoo magic10:53
imbrandon( and also control )10:53
geserzakame: without testing: remove libfaad2-dev from B-D and delete the xmms2-plugin-faad package from debian/control10:55
zakamegeser: exactly what I'm doing now :)10:55
zakamefortunately, its just debian/control; no need to edit debian/rules10:56
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dholbachis adam israel around?11:04
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dholbachhighvoltage: it's REVU Day11:10
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highvoltagedholbach: is that until the end of the day?11:11
dholbachit's always a REVU day11:11
dholbachtoday is a special one :)11:11
highvoltageah :)11:11
highvoltageI'm working until 15:00 UTC, I'll get into that brasero package right after that11:11
highvoltagemaybe I can even get it up for revu today11:12
dholbachhighvoltage: it was updated already11:12
highvoltagedholbach: ok. I'll ping you a bit later then I can start with another package?11:13
dholbachhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/WIP lists a few11:13
dholbachother than that we have myriads of bugs marked as 'upgrade' 'packaging' 'needs-packaging' and 'bitesize'11:13
dholbachcan we agree that we archive uploads that had a comment, but no reply back for more than a month and mail all the people involved?11:15
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highvoltagedholbach: was that a question for me?11:18
dholbachhighvoltage: I asked everybody in here :)11:19
highvoltageok, just checking :)11:19
MrDumbowhat is the best way to put up a request for having a package updated in gutsy11:20
dholbachMrDumbo: you can file a bug and tag it as 'upgrade'11:20
MrDumboI filed a bug, but I might have forgotten the tag11:20
MrDumbobecause it also got deleted... 11:20
MrDumboto long no confirmation11:21
dholbachMrDumbo: did you file a support request?11:21
MrDumbomight have done it wrong...11:22
MrDumboa well going to try it later.11:22
MrDumbohow do you tag it?11:24
highvoltageugh, sorry, pasted to wrong window11:25
MrDumbogrr hate it when bugs are reported at wrong places11:28
MrDumbothey can't expect me to check all distro's bugtrackers11:28
MrDumbohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/gmpc/+bug/102595 <-- anyway to close that, because it's fixed11:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 102595 in gmpc "adding all tracks from an album should sort by track number" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  11:30
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imbrandonMrDumbo, i marked it as fix released upstream but it shouldent be closed in ubuntu untill its uploaded there11:32
imbrandonand you dont have to check all distros bug trackers, LP tracks bugs upstream in your tracker11:32
imbrandonjust FYI11:32
MrDumbono, how can I possible track all the f*** bug trackers11:32
MrDumboI don't have time for that11:32
imbrandonand as i just said why would you need to ?11:33
MrDumboI doubt if launchpad does11:33
imbrandonsure it does, thats one of its deatures11:33
MrDumbothis bug, I never heard of it, until somewhen sended me a patch (but most of the time it's completely passing me by)11:33
imbrandonbut even if it dident why would you need to ?11:33
MrDumboI want to know about bugs in my programs.. so I can fix them?11:34
imbrandonrigth and upstream bug distros file upstream as well as in their trackers , or should just for that very reason11:34
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imbrandonand thats why LP will track your bug tracker11:34
MrDumboI _never_ had that.11:34
MrDumbodunno about launchpad have to admit that11:35
MrDumbobut with other distro's....11:35
imbrandonMrDumbo, then i am sorry you have not experinced the joys of opensource11:35
MrDumbosorry just a bit of a bad mood..11:35
imbrandoni can see11:35
imbrandoni'm just trying to tell you you are a bit offbase :)11:35
imbrandonyes things get over looked from time to time but over all you dont have to 11:36
MrDumboimbrandon: I think it's just a waste, it often happens after months I get pointed in a bug in the gentoo tracker, or on some debian ml... 11:36
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MrDumboanyway, back to why I started..11:36
MrDumbogmpc version in ubuntu is years old.11:36
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imbrandonMrDumbo, then do the "right thing" and who ever it is pointing it out to you needs to file it upstream, gentoos tracker is for gentoo specific issues just as debians and ubuntu's11:36
dholbachzakame: I archived it11:37
dholbachzakame: it had no reply for more than a month11:37
zakamedholbach: ok, gotta update my revu page :D11:37
zakameajax-ing revu would be great though :D11:37
dholbachTheMuso: is ardour2 on REVU really necessary?11:37
MrDumboanyway, I have to go... 11:37
dholbachusing bzr for package reviews would be nice11:38
dholbachTheMuso: (given that the new version is in as ardour already)11:38
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zakamenow sdlmame11:40
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jussi01evening all11:45
jussi01hello dholbach11:45
dholbachheya jussi0111:45
zakameyo jussi0111:45
zakamethanks dholbach11:45
jussi01hey zakame11:46
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dholbachjussi01: take a look at the bugs tagged as 'needs-packaging'11:47
pochuAnd RFP in Debian :)11:48
jussi01dholbach: yeah, will do, just thought someone might have a little something that they didnt have time to do...11:48
jussi01pochu: of course :D11:48
shawarmadholbach: You looked at system-config-samba a bit earlier. I've uploaded a new version with fixed dpatch and explained the libuser1-dev dependency. 11:48
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shawarmadholbach: Thanks for looking at it!11:53
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TheMusodholbach: afaik I archived ardour2 ages ago on revu.12:00
TheMusodholbach: Espeak-data is arch specific, as it needs to be either little or big endian.12:00
dholbachshawarma: ok, will look at it again12:02
dholbachTheMuso: ah ok12:02
dholbachTheMuso: I'll archive it now - it's still there12:02
TheMusodholbach: Done already.12:03
TheMusoI ts popped up again, because someone commented on it.12:03
TheMuso /c12:03
dholbachok, the page looks better and better12:03
dholbachif you all have some spare minutes, please help out :)12:03
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zakamesalut jsgotangco12:05
zakamehmm folks aren't using the debian/changelog effectively12:06
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=== jussi01 says wow! you guys are really rocking on revu comments today! well done!
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jussi01gah, i hate launch pad... how do you search bugs by tag?12:29
StevenKjussi01: Click the Advanced search link12:34
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geserjussi01: go to the Ubuntu bug list, expand Tags on the left side, and click on the tag you want12:37
zakamewould be nice if it were a tagcloud though, long tag list is long12:39
jussi01yeah, is true12:39
jsgotangcoyes its one of the things i hate most12:40
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zakamewb \sh01:23
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lionelThere is a MOTU Q/A session on classroom now?02:05
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pochulionel: There is02:06
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zakamehmm xmms2 now builds, but fails on amd6402:17
zakame> default/src/plugins/sid/sidplay_wrapper.o: relocation R_X86_64_32S against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC02:17
zakame> default/src/plugins/sid/sidplay_wrapper.o: could not read symbols: Bad value02:17
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xxxxx1morning people!02:36
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jussi01morning xxxxx102:52
jussi01FAR OUT!!... :( :( :(02:53
jussi01I just had my upload rejected...02:53
jussi01oh well, I gues i just have to go fix it...02:53
Hobbseejussi01: which one?02:54
jussi01mnemosyne Hobbsee02:54
jussi01some small copyright issue02:54
jussi01I've just rejected the mnemosyne upload to gutsy. Some pyqt_ui files02:55
jussi01have work from "Jarno Elonen <elonen@iki.fi>" who is not mentionned to02:55
jussi01debian/copyright, could you fix that and upload a new revision?02:55
jussi01does that mean, just have to add him to the copyrights?02:56
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DarkSun88Hi all02:57
xxxxx1hello DarkSun88 02:58
zakameheya jussi0103:03
jussi01hi zakame03:03
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leonelhello  everyone03:05
jussi01hi leonel03:05
jussi01wha... is it wake up tim in the us or smthing?03:05
Hobbseelikely, yeah03:05
leonelin mx  is ...03:05
zakameyo leonel03:05
leonelhey zakame03:05
leonelI'm trying  to make  a debootstrap gutsy  in feisty  but says I don't have  the gutsy script 03:06
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zakamehave you updated/03:07
bluekujaleonel, anyway when you mark a merge in progress, dont wait 2 weeks to do it03:07
bluekuja(talking about dbmail)03:07
xxxxx1leonel: update your debootstrap03:08
leonelbluekuja: ok  I'll quit then03:08
bluekujaleonel, I've seen it "to do" on mom and I did it03:08
bluekujaleonel, you can close your bug then03:08
bluekujaand thanks for working on it03:08
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leonelbluekuja: I've spent this time  finding a way to fix dapper's clamav to take  that  merge   but if you need that merge to be done  I'll quit  clamav  or dbmail  03:09
bluekujaleonel, no clamav is ok03:10
bluekujaI just done dbmail03:10
bluekujaso feel free to do clamav03:10
zakamethen we'll probably have image macros for REVU day and HUG day :D03:10
leonelthen remove me  from dbmail03:10
Hobbseezakame: hrm?03:10
bluekujaleonel, kk03:10
zakameHobbsee: just idling, or prepping up for another REVU round :)03:11
zakamebut first, wash dishes...03:11
HobbseeREVUing just makes things sit in the NEW queue for longer03:11
leonelxxxxx1: I've just installed debootstrap 03:12
leonelxxxxx1: says    no such script   /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/gutsy03:13
zakameleonel: debootstrap from feisty-updates?03:13
xxxxx1xxxxx1: yep. probably your debootstrap is out-of-date03:13
xxxxx1No packages found matching deboostrap.03:14
xxxxx1ii  debootstrap Bootstrap a basic Debian system03:14
zakameyes, that's from feisty-updates03:14
xxxxx1leonel: paste your version03:15
leonelxxxxx1:    but I have  feisty-updates enabled .03:15
Hobbseefeisty debootstrap wouldnt know about gutsy03:16
Hobbsee(and why are you wanting to debootstrap anyway?03:16
StevenKI managed to debootstrap gutsy by symlinking gutsy to feisty03:16
Hobbseei was about ot point tha tout03:16
shawarmazakame: Could you take another peek at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5521 ? That would be much appreciated.03:16
leonelHobbsee: to use it instread  booting  a virtual server  ..03:17
StevenKHobbsee: Beat you. :-P03:17
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Hobbseeleonel: chroot is easier, imo.03:17
xxxxx1nope. the last version of deboostrap for feisty have gutsy script too03:17
Hobbseeor last time i checked03:17
StevenKHobbsee: Ouch!03:17
xxxxx1is in feisty-backports03:17
Hobbseeoh neat03:18
xxxxx1leonel: is in feisty-backports03:18
Hobbseefor those of you who actually *run* backports, yes.03:18
leonelxxxxx1: ok thanks03:18
xxxxx1Hobbsee: *little* detail :>03:18
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leonelxxxxx1: thanks03:20
Hobbseerather, yes.03:21
mok0Are you people using cdbs for package building?03:23
xxxxx1mok0: yep. many packages are using03:23
mok0It seems like development on it has stopped03:24
mok0Latest commit I can find is 3 years old03:24
shawarmamok0: How do you figure that?03:24
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shawarmamok0: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/c/cdbs/cdbs_0.4.49ubuntu1/changelog03:24
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mok015:24 < mok0> Latest commit I can find is 3 years old03:25
mok015:24 < shawarma> mok0: How do you figure that?03:25
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shawarma"If it works, don't fix it"03:26
mok0Arrgh my mouse is failing me in cut/paste03:26
shawarmaBut cdbs indeed *has* been updated in the last three years.03:26
Riddellis there a reason for putting two spaces before Homepage in debian/control?03:26
persiaRiddell: It 1) ensures that the line is not broken, and 2) acts as a signal for automatic parsing on packages.ubuntu.com03:27
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zakameshawarma: great work, a little more improvement and its a go :)03:27
Riddellpersia: how does it manage 1)?03:27
zakameWhy isn't Homepage promoted to a full debian/control field?03:28
xxxxx1mok0: https://code.launchpad.net/cdbs/03:28
persiaRiddell: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Description03:28
StevenKzakame: That why lies madness.03:28
StevenKway, even03:29
persiazakame: It's relatively new (a couple of years), and not everything has a homepage.03:29
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zakamewell it can be an optional field, maybe X-Homepage03:29
shawarmazakame: I added the get-orig-source because a previous comment told me to. :)03:29
zakameStevenK: lolsparta03:29
persiazakame: If we did that, we'd need mangling to stay consistent with Debian.03:30
zakamepersia: yeah, I guess let Debian do it first then :)03:30
shawarmazakame: I don't quite understand the third paragraph in your comment?03:30
persiazakame: If you're curious about that, read debian-devel archives :)03:30
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zakameshawarma: get the SRPM, transform it into a .tar.gz, then make that the .orig tarball; note it in README.Debian and in the changelog03:33
persiaRather README.Debian-source, no?03:33
shawarmazakame: That's what the get-orig-source target does?03:33
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zakameif there's a system-config-samba-.+.tar.gz that exists separately of the SRPM, even better to grab that03:34
persiashawarma: You still need a README.Debian-source, even if it just says "look at get-orig-source:"/03:34
zakameshawarma: yeah, but instead do it manually03:34
shawarmazakame: This is not something that the buildd are going to do.. It's something one can do manually to verify that I didn't put stuff into it.03:34
persiazakame: Why manually?03:34
shawarmazakame: Well, of course I'd do it manually, too. I need to to so that I can upload my package.03:35
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zakamepersia: less confusion, and get-orig-source is optional, after all; I'd prefer to have essential rules as much as possible03:38
shawarmazakame: So you prefer no get-orig-source ?  I frankly don't care either way.03:39
persiazakame: Ah.  I'm a strong believer in get-orig-source, as 1) it's easier for the paranoid to verify, and 2) it makes package update much easier (for a well written get-orig-source).  I use it like one might use uupdate (although it requires manual changelog update).03:39
zakameshawarma: up to you then03:40
persiashawarma: Either way, you still need README.Debian-source.03:40
zakamepersia: there is already uscan for that03:40
persiazakame: Doesn't work very well for RCS snapshots :)03:40
persia(or bz2 dists, or rpm conversions, etc.)03:41
zakameah, well there's no argument for RCS snapshots then03:41
shawarmapersia: Just added that.03:41
zakamepersia: but get-orig-source can only work against the current upstream version for a specific package, right?  adding more logic on that rule just to emulate what uupdate/uscan does is overkill03:43
leoneldebootstrap for gutsy in feisty  working ... didn't had  feisty-backports  enabled 03:44
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persiazakame: Depends.  I tend to use something like that documented in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/CommonPackagingMistakes/ChangingTheOrigTarball, which isn't that much logic.03:44
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persiazakame: The idea being to leverage uscan where possible, and emulate some of it where not, but to not have to go through a manual process for each update.03:48
icf7What should be the initial changelog entry?03:49
persiaicf7: "Intial Upload (LP: #bugnumber)"03:49
icf7persia: Thanks, zakame said the opposite. What should the bug on Launchpad contain?03:50
zakameicf7: I said the opposite because initial ubuntu changes ought to be documented, as should all subsequent changes afterward03:51
persiaicf7: Amusingly, zakame and I have different opinions (both usually correct) about many things.  If you listen to me, the bug should be a "needs-packaging" bug on launchpad, set to "In Progress" and assigned to you.03:51
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zakamepersia: actually I'm beginning to agree about the get-orig-source bits03:51
persiaIn this case, I think I agree with zakame, that any patches or special adjustments needed for packaging should be noted.  For a package that works without anything fancy, you can probably simplify.03:52
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zakamebrb, washing dishes :D03:52
persiazakame: It's the process of debate that leads to a good answer.  I'm not sure it's a good thing that we're both moving towards agreement :)03:52
zakamethanks persia for the link :)03:52
shawarmazakame, persia: There. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5522 Now it has both get-orig-source and a README.Debian-source. Are we happy?03:53
persiazakame: It's one of my pet notes.  If you have a good candidate for a RPM conversion, it would be nice to have that too, as the only one I've seen needs a lot of manual work for an upgrade.03:53
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zakamepersia: well it makes sense for the RCS case; when there are no pre-existing snapshot tarballs the get-orig-source becomes essential :)03:54
persiazakame: Exactly.03:55
persiashawarma: I don't see anything blocking, but the README.Debian-source feels different than those I've seen before (although I don't have a good example), and the get-orig-source would be better abstracted so it didn't need manual update each time (and a watch file might also be good).  All of these could as well be addressed in a later revision.03:56
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shawarmapersia: did I just hear you say "ACK"? :)03:57
icf7another question: How do I set up uscan to work according to the Debian policy so that it works in any directory? Is it intended to temporarily cd to the right directory and run uscan?03:57
persiashawarma: Hrm.  Let me download and run the standard tests...03:57
persiaicf7: In what context?  Usually uscan is run from the package base directory.03:58
shawarmapersia: Actually, I've never notived neither get-orig-source nor README.Debian-source in any package before. 03:58
icf7persia: I wanted to use uscan in rules:get-orig-source, is that wrong?03:58
persiashawarma: Google gives 5000 results for README.Debian-source.  One of these might be a good example.  It's only distributed in the source package, and only sometimes (README.Debian-source is "should" and get-orig-source is at the whim of the maintainer).03:59
shawarmapersia: Oh, it's only in the source package? 03:59
shawarmapersia: I made mine install it.03:59
persiaicf7: You only want get-orig-source if you repack the orig.tar.gz.  If you're doing that, take a look at the example in the wiki.04:00
icf7persia: Ok, thank you04:00
persiashawarma: Ah, You don't want to install it - it's just for people investigating the source.04:00
shawarmapersia: Ok, then. When you check the package, just ignore it. When I upload it will be gone.04:00
persiashawarma: OK, or if you are fast, I'll just grab the new diff.gz & dsc04:01
shawarmapersia: There's not point in uploading it to REVU again, if that's all there's wrong.04:01
shawarmapersia: I'm not. :)04:01
persiashawarma: Right.  Sounds fine to me.04:01
shawarmapersia: Just ping me when/if you're satisfied with the package.04:02
persiashawarma: I'm just guessing that you already satisfied ScottK?  I don't understand the python bits.04:03
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colinlhi! does anyone know what's the use of such a package? http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/virtual/claws-mail04:03
shawarmapersia: I think I've argumented sufficiently for my packacing with regard to the python policy. I've also got examples of other packages that do the same thing.04:04
persiacolinl: It's a leftover from some snapshot packaging - it allows plugins that worked with both claws and claws^snapshot to work.04:04
persiashawarma: OK.04:04
colinlpersia: I see - but how comes I can find no real related package (snapshot or not) on packages.ubuntu.com ?04:05
persiacolinl: In part because claws had some issues lately, and in part because the snapshot merge happened some time back.  The package may no longer be useful (although I haven't investigated in recent releases).04:06
colinlpersia: thanks. do you know where I can find buildbot logs or any other relevant info about these issues?04:07
Riddellpersia: thanks (for Homepage link)04:08
icf7persia: Sorry for searching the wrong way, but I can't find any repackaging example on wiki.ubuntu.com. COuld you give me a pointer?04:08
persiashawarma: 1) If you're moving the icon, you shouldn't create /usr/share/pixmaps, and 2) if you could extract the changelog from system-config-samba.spec and dump it (compressed) to /usr/share/doc/$package, it would be great (these are linda errors).04:11
persiaicf7: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/CommonPackagingMistakes/ChangingTheOrigTarball04:11
persiacolinl: I'm really not sure how to easily hunt those down for virtual packages, sorry.04:12
colinlnp. I suppose things will get sorted out eventually :)04:12
colinlthanks for your answers!04:12
dholbachthanks lionel for running the Q&A session04:12
shawarmapersia: Am I moving the icon?04:12
lioneldholbach: no pb04:12
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persiashawarma: My mistake.  I thought you were from 05_fixperms.dpatch, but looking more closely, it appears to be an upstream bug.  The makefile defines PKGIMAGEDIR, but doesn't use it when creating directories, and fails to include a '/' in `install pixmaps/*.png $(DESTDIR)$(PKGIMAGEDIR)`. which has odd results.04:16
icf7persia: This example requires a newer uscan than the one in feisty. Should I develop in gutsy by now?04:17
persiaicf7: How doesn't it work?  I believe that example was developed on a feisty system.04:18
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icf7persia: --force-download is not available04:18
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persiaicf7: I'm sorry.  I remembered it being developed in April, but I guess it was just as the gutsy archives opened, and the developer tracked that.  Sorry for the confusion.04:21
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zakameback from washing dishes :)04:28
persiazakame: I had a thought about the uscan case (bz2).  Could the output of `uscan --report-status` be parsed to determine $(VER)?04:30
zakameprobably, lemme check04:31
shawarmapersia: I don't get these errors from linda? 04:32
persiashawarma: I got the output from `linda -v -f long -t E,I,W,X system-config-samba_1.2.35-0ubuntu1_amd64.changes`, but I'd guess the same would come from any architecture.04:34
shawarmapersia: I thought -t was supposed to *limit* the output, but I get *more* warnings, when I use your command line.04:35
persiashawarma: Yep  "-t" limits the output to the selected types, but the default types are not all of E,I,W,X :)  My command line tells linda to be as verbose as she can be.04:36
shawarmapersia: Gah... 04:37
shawarmapersia: I've been missing out all this time!04:37
leonelonce a merge is done  how long takes to be available  to install  ?04:37
persiashawarma: use `lintian -iIv` for the equivalent from a perl perspective.04:37
zakamegaah, uscan is too verbose for use in scripting :/04:37
persialeonel: After the merge, it is uploaded, built, and then distributed.  Depending on the builds (and failures therein), this may take as much as a month.04:38
leonelpersia: thanks04:39
persiazakame: That was my problem too :)  I was hoping you might know some nifty make trick to collect only the right information.04:39
zakamethere are blocks caused by FTBFSes as well, check xmms2 for instance.04:39
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persialeonel: I forgot about xmms2 - ignore the part about "as much as a month".  There's not really a limit.04:39
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zakamepersia: something ugly like `uscan --report | grep ^Newest | awk '{print $7}'`, needing to chop off the trailing comma04:43
luisbgwhere can I read about what debian/install does?04:44
zakameapropos dh_install04:44
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persiazakame: So, "VER:=$(shell uscan --report | grep ^Newest | cut -f 7)" might work?  On the other hand, I suddenly realise that doing something like this would defeat the point of get-orig-source, and instead be a get-newest-source.  Thanks though :)04:47
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zakameyeah, get-newest-source would be more like it hehe04:47
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jussi01hello persia04:48
persiahi jussi0104:48
persiajussi01: Did you find a new package earlier, or are you still looking?04:48
jussi01no, didnt find, still looking... but i need to fix mnemosyne04:49
zakamehmmm, if we know at the time of the get-orig-source call about the md5sum of the original source, shouldn't we use that to verify if the source we indeed get later is the right and trusted source?04:49
luisbgthanks a lot zakame 04:49
jussi01persia: did you see earlier?04:49
shawarmapersia: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5523 There.04:49
persiazakame: That fails whenever get-orig-source is required, as gzip --best is not guaranteed to generate the same md5sum twice in a row.04:49
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zakameimmediately, at the rule's call?04:51
shawarmapersia: ffs... hang on.04:51
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persiashawarma: Too late.  Already built :)  Let me know when you want me to grab a new one.04:52
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persiazakame: No, the rule won't fail, just the md5sum of the orig.tar.gz will only match by accident (and md5sum is designed to make this rare), so the user cannot use it for verification.04:53
shawarmapersia: You can take a look at it. All I've changed now is I've renamed the upstream changelog to changelog.gz (from changelog.upstream.gz).04:53
shawarmapersia: Unless you find anything else I won't bother with uploading to REVU.04:54
sochi one question about gimp04:54
soci updated it with uupdate to 2.3.1804:54
socwhats the command to configure, make, package it?04:54
persiashawarma: Since that's the only remaining error, I'm happy.  Please upload again, just so my ACK is on a clean package :)04:55
socyeah it's me :-)04:55
soci decided to just build a package for now, without messing too much04:55
persiasoc: debuild for local build, pbuilder for traball build, or sbuild for schroot build.04:56
socif that works i'll start to modify it piece by piece04:56
socok, so just debuild04:56
socwithout arguments?04:56
zakamepersia: ah... I was rather hoping the rule would immediately fail at the md5sum mismatch, instead of propagating to dpkg-source(?)04:56
bluekujapersia: heya04:56
socdo i need fakeroot for that=04:56
socor sudo?04:56
bluekujapersia: gonna take care of that missing .desktop you mentored04:57
jussi01persia: did you see my message about mnemosyne earlier?04:57
bluekujapersia: it has been assigned to me04:57
persiazakame: I think that's part of why get-orig-source is so optional at this point - it's not really decided yet (in Debian) how to do it right.04:57
shawarmaAny revu admins around? I need to have system-config-samba* removed from incoming (ctrl-c by accident)04:57
persiabluekuja: Great.  Thanks.  Let me know if you need any help.04:57
mok0How come the debdiffs on revu seem reversed?04:57
persiashawarma: I'll take care of it.04:57
bluekujapersia: seems easy, gonna have results this evening/night04:57
shawarmapersia: Oh, great. Didn't know you were "one of them" :)04:58
bluekujapersia: ;)04:58
zakamepersia: indeed, still, its a great help for the situations you listed :)04:59
mok0It seems my fixes are getting removed :)05:00
persiashawarma: Cleaned.  I'm not actually an admin, but I can help :)05:00
DarkSun88Is there errors in this debdiff?05:00
shawarmapersia: interesting... :)05:00
mok0Anyways: I have a new upload on revu (upid=5478) that I seek further review on...05:00
persiamok0: Are you looking at the URL of the latest upload?05:00
socmh sudo debuild tells me that:05:01
socbuild conflicts: libgimp2.005:01
mok0I'll check...05:01
persiaDarkSun88: it's hard to tell from a pastebin.  Does it apply cleanly (with `patch -p1 < ../mydebiff` from the package directory?05:01
DarkSun88No, I'll do.05:02
mok0persia: yes05:02
persiamok0: Which URL?05:02
shawarmapersia: Final version is up: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=552405:02
DarkSun88persia: I've compiled with a server and tells me this: http://packages.linuxdc.it/gutsy/result/vpnc_0.4.0-3ubuntu1/vpnc_0.4.0-3ubuntu1_i386.build05:03
mok0persia: Ah! I didn't get that yet05:03
mok0persia: I am rambling05:03
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mok0persia: I got confused by your message to shawarma...05:05
persiaDarkSun88: It looks like one of the patches doesn't apply cleanly.  My guess would be that something in 06_stolen_from_head modified a line that affected 07_gcc_optimizations.  You'll need to clean up the latter to match the changes in the former.05:05
DarkSun88persia: I'll check it. Thanks a lot.05:06
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persiashawarma: Advocated :)05:07
shawarmapersia: Great. Uploaded. :)05:07
shawarmapersia: Thanks a million, dude.05:07
persiashawarma: Don't forget to archive and send the REVU mail to ubuntu-motu@ :)05:08
shawarmapersia: after the dev-team meeting. :)05:08
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persiamok0: The debdiff links are reverse debdiffs to previous versions.  Your would be reverted if these were applied, but it's handy for reviewers to see what changed.  Take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5459 if you want to see forward debdiffs.05:09
persiashawarma: No rush - just a reminder, as the docs are sparse :)05:10
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persiabluekuja: Did you check that .desktop with desktop-file-validate 0.13?  The updated spec is now implemented.05:12
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bluekujapersia, currently finishing another thing, gonna move there soon05:13
bluekujapersia, gonna ping you when done, dont worry05:13
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bluekujaI didnt added it05:13
bluekujamaurizio did05:13
bluekujaI think05:13
persiabluekuja: My apologies - I'm not looking carefully enough :)05:14
bluekujapersia: :)05:14
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zakamehmm, why a 299KB diff?05:16
zakamegrr kate-in-konqueror should have better folding for aggregated diffs :/05:17
bluekujazakame, huh?05:18
bluekujazakame, which diff?05:18
zakamebluekuja: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/fische-0705270805/fische_2.0-0ubuntu1.diff05:18
bluekujazakame, leave it, gonna be synced from debian05:19
zakameshould be nuked from REVU then ;)05:20
bluekujazakame, yup05:20
bluekujashould be archived05:20
persiabluekuja: If you're going to sync, please add a comment on REVU, so that nobody starts reviewing. (sometimes packages get reviewed without announcement, especially on REVU DAY).05:22
bluekujapersia, yeah, gonna add it now05:22
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bluekujaHobbsee, thanks ;)05:24
luisbg"dpkg-deb: building package `ubuntustudio-menu' in `../ubuntustudio-menu_0.1_all.deb'." <-- but not deb in the .. folder ... :S05:25
shawarmapersia: I'm an idiot. How do I archive stuff on REVU?05:26
zakameshawarma: there's an archive button on each row at the main page05:27
zakameone for each package05:27
shawarmazakame: Not on my machine, there isn't...05:27
Hobbseeshawarma: if you're listed as a reviewer05:27
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persiashawarma: First comment, then archive (commenting automatically unarchives).  Archiving is done from the front page.05:28
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persialuisbg: Does it claim to build, but doesn't generate the .deb?  Is the source somewhere one may look at it?05:29
shawarmaHobbsee: Reviewer? Hmm.. That might be it.05:30
luisbgpersia, can upload it to bzr if you want to look at it05:30
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persialuisbg: Sure, if you want another eye.05:31
persiashawarma: I'll archive it :)05:32
luisbgpersia, sure thanks! give me a sec05:32
shawarmapersia: Thanks!05:32
bddebianHeya gang05:32
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zakameyo bddebian! :D05:33
bddebianHi zakame05:33
shawarmaHobbsee: Being a reviewer means being member of some team, right? which team is that exactly?05:35
Hobbseeshawarma: ask siretart 05:35
Hobbseeit's not a LP team05:35
persiabddebian: I'm about to upload a fix for bug #119887: do you have any reservations about this?05:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119887 in apt-file "merged package contains spurious files" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11988705:35
shawarmaHobbsee: Ah, ok then.05:35
bddebianpersia: No, thanks!05:35
persiashawarma: You don't need to be in any more teams than you already are, but you need a REVU-admin to add you.05:35
persiabddebian: Thanks for the confirmation :)05:36
shawarmapersia: Ok. thanks for clarifying. I thought I was going nuts as I couldn't see that archive button :)05:36
bddebianSorry I've been out of the picture lately but I suppose that's probably good for you all ;-P05:37
shawarmaGlad to have you back, bddebian.05:37
persiabddebian: Not really : REVU has missed you05:37
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bddebianshawarma: I'm probably not "back" until after July but thanks! :-)05:38
persiazakame: After looking at the most recent REVU upload notice, I am completely changing my advice on initial changelogs.  Thanks.05:39
zakamepersia: works both ways :) I find the get-orig-source option something worth considering to include :)05:40
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beunopersia: +105:44
beunoI''ve been downloading packages from Ubuntu to get them into Debian05:45
beunoand it's been a nightmare  :(05:45
zakamehmm like kayaking upstream05:45
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beunozakame: something like that  :D05:46
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shawarmabeuno: Why? Too many packages? Too crappy?05:46
persiabeuno: You're probably getting the best feedback.  Would you mind starting a page on the wiki (Category MOTU, under /MOTU/Packages/ namespace)?  I'd be happy to add comments, and later formalise and prettify.05:47
beunoshawarma: *very* badly packaged, non working packages at all (dependencies that don't compile)05:47
beunoetc etc etc05:47
beunopersia: I'm getting a LOT of feedback here05:48
persiabeuno: Also, if you have time, and can take a look at our reviewing practices, I'm sure we could learn to make your job easier :)05:48
beunothe @ubuntu.com address in my nametag gets me a lot of feedback   :D05:48
luisbgpersia, http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~luisbg/freemix/base/files/bethencourt%40gmail.com-20070614153440-29evu6xpbquexu00?file_id=ubuntustudiomenu-20070614153254-omrhjatjx93najmz-105:48
luisbgpersia, thankss!!05:48
persiabeuno: heh :)  Even a very rough list would be a great help in getting started.05:48
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persialuisbg: I'll take a look in a few minutes.  Thanks.05:48
beunopersia: I'd live to get involved, yes05:49
beunoI believe much more attention should be paid05:49
luisbgpersia, thanks to you ;)05:49
beunoand a clear way to remove a crappy package05:50
beunoI've been filing some bugs against them05:50
beunobut I'm nopt sure that will get them removed05:50
beunoI'm also trying to fix them, uplaod them into debian so t hey get downloaded properly05:50
siretartshawarma: it is a flag in the postgres database on tiber05:50
persiabeuno: There is a mechanism for package removal.  If there are any you want sheparded, please send me a list in email.05:50
beunoI do think a team specially created for that would help a lot05:50
beunopersia: great, I will gather a list  :D05:50
persiabeuno: Thanks.05:51
shawarmasiretart: I see. Could it be because I've started to use another e-mail to log in? I believe i used to see the archive button..05:51
siretartshawarma: right. revu accounts are just emails, and only that05:51
shawarmasiretart: Ok. could you promote soren@ubuntu.com, perhaps?05:52
beunopersia: how can it be that there is a package that doesn't work at all in the repos?05:53
bluekujapersia: that desktop file is ok, only thing is about encoding that seems to be deprecated now05:53
persiabeuno: <70 MOTUs >10,000 universe packages.05:54
persiabluekuja: Right, so we should delete that line.05:54
bluekujapersia: yup05:54
beunopersia: I'm trying to get a Debian Collaboration Team back together (it's part of my purpose here), and I believe that would also be part of getting things straightened out05:54
Hobbseebeuno: talked to white?05:54
persiabeuno: I hope so.  I'm looking forward to a reinvigorated DCT.05:54
zakamejust checking: we can override Makefile rules right? not just appending to them...05:54
beunoHobbsee: white?05:55
Hobbseebeuno: debian dev.  interested in the same thing05:56
beunopersia: I've been trying to, but I'm not getting much help05:56
Hobbseebeuno: utnubu stuff05:56
beunoHobbsee: no, but Ill track him down05:56
persiabeuno: What do you need?05:56
beunoI've been emailing the DCT mailing list05:56
beunoand contacting specific people05:56
beunopersia: first thing is to reorganize objectives to a more "possible" objective05:56
beunothen start actually doing it and recruiting05:56
beunoI'd say 50% of the work has to do with coordinating teams and people05:56
ScottK-laptopbeuno: Debian Python Modules Team has been very open to Ubuntu people joining and participating.05:57
beunoScottK-laptop: yes they have, I've seen several teams working together, and that's great!05:57
beunosome work is being done quietly05:57
persiabeuno: I don't follow the mailing list too closely (only reviewing archives 1/month or so), but I thought there was positive response to your efforts.  Could you not just update the wiki page, build a community of interested parties (an IRC channel may or may not help for this), and dig in?05:57
persiaMOTU-Games is now entirely within Debian-games as well.05:58
beunoI also think we should have a very clear and complete FAQ For DDs mocked up so they can understand what happens with there work, how Ubuntu works inside, and how they can help or get help05:58
beunopersia: yeap, that is exactly what I'm going to do05:58
beunoI've just been doing a little bit of everything, got 2 packages in NEW waiting after a few days of learning05:59
beunoit's great to be surounded by geeks  :D05:59
persiabeuno: That's a good idea, but I would recommend that such a FAQ be built in collaboration with the attempts to reinvigorate utnubu, just to make sure DCT and Utnubu procedures are in sync, and everything is smooth.05:59
beunopersia: yeap, it's a wiki, so we jkust have to make sure they know about it06:00
siretartshawarma: done06:00
beunogather whatever questions they mnay have06:00
beunoand get them answered06:00
shawarmasiretart: ta06:00
beunowhich many times takes me to very long and rocky trips :D06:00
siretartin fact, I think Hobbsee/persia could have done that as well06:01
siretart/srv/revu1-production/scripts/alter_user.py -e soren@ubuntu.com -lreviewer06:01
siretartis the command line06:01
Hobbseeah right06:01
persiasiretart: Cool.  Thanks.  Could you stick that in /etc/motd to make it easy to remember?06:01
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beunoI'll brb, going to a BoF06:02
beunonot wsure if I have wireless06:02
siretartpersia: please try it to check that there are no problems with file permissions06:03
infinitocan anyone take a look at this file, to see it its license would eb aproblem for inclusion on ubuntu? http://svn.infinicode.org/index.cgi/pyrenamer/trunk/pyrenamer/src/TreeViewTooltips.py?revision=5&view=markup06:03
persiasiretart: Is it safe to re-run for the same ID?06:03
infinitoim not very good at license policies06:04
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siretartpersia: should be. the script does only do things in the postgresdb06:04
persiasiretart: "Altering soren@ubuntu.com to level reviewer", so I'm guessing it works.06:04
siretartyes, looks file06:04
persiaAnyone have an opinion on running `apt-file update` in apt-file postinst?06:05
mok0 infinito: Looks like there are no restrictions whatsoever, so it should be OK06:05
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beuno_ok, in the BoF room  :D06:06
infinitomok0: should i add something to copyright fiel about this license?06:06
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ScottK-laptopinfinito: The license is fine.  For debian/copyright you should include the full text of the license.06:07
infinitoScottK: ok, thanks!06:07
mok0infinito: I am no expert, but I would regard this as an "artistic" license06:08
persiainfinito: For comparison, look at the BSD license - it's nearly the same.06:08
infinitoso in the copyright file i should use something like: for the file blablabla the license is: blablabla06:09
persiamok0: Except that Artistic sources can be put in the public domain, whereas that cannot.06:09
siretartpersia: done06:10
persiasiretart: Thanks.06:11
infinitoso the copyright file should be like this? http://pastebin.ca/56671306:12
persialuisbg: sbuild makes a deb for me.  On what archicture were you compiling?06:12
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luisbgpersia, i68606:13
luisbgor x8606:13
luisbghowever you were expecting me to say it =)06:13
persialuisbg: Strange.  I was actually expecting amd64, as that doesn't build architecture all packages by default.  Now I'm confused as to why it doesn't work for you.06:14
luisbgpersia, I'm doing... debuild -S ; sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc06:14
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persiaCould someone familiar with pbuilder please help luisbg?  I cannot replicate the problem with sbuild.06:15
luisbgpersia, wait... I think I'm only doing the source package06:15
luisbglet me check something06:15
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luisbgpersia, tell me how you do with sbuild06:15
luisbgand why sbuild instead of pbuilder?06:16
Hobbseewhere are you checking for the resulting deb?06:16
zakamegn8 all06:16
persialuisbg: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto and `sbuild -A -d gutsy ubuntustudio-menu_0.1.dsc`06:16
persialuisbg: sbuild is just my personal preference (it's what the buildds use).  pbuilder is also fine.06:17
luisbgpersia, ok =) just wanted to know if I should think about switching a little bit more06:18
persialuisbg: No need to switch.06:18
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luisbganyone familiar with pbuilder around?06:21
Hobbseeyou never answered my question, though06:21
Hobbseeluisbg: ^06:22
luisbgahhhh sorry Hobbsee, didn't saw the question :S06:23
persiaIn the absence of dissention, I'm configuring apt-file to run update in the postinst.06:23
luisbgI'm checking in .. of where I run pbuilder, that is the folder where the .dsc hangs around 06:24
Hobbseeyou need to check in /var/cache/pbuilder/result06:26
luisbg:( that was dumb06:27
luisbgsorry about that06:27
luisbgok... now a more tricky question06:27
luisbgI'm creating a directory /usr/share/ubuntustudio-menu/ and then moving our applications.menu file there, how do I tell gnome to use this one instead of the one used by default in /usr/share/app-install/desktop06:28
Hobbseeno problem06:28
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persialuisbg: You can't really.  You need to put things in /etc/xdg/menus, but I think those are conffiles, which means you can't actually edit anything already there.06:29
luisbgI'm looking at the package edubuntu-menus, and I see where he places the .menu file, but not how he changes gnome06:31
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luisbgshould I just move to /etc/xdg/menus ?06:34
eletidocan someone link me to a summary of the process of getting a package into universe?06:34
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persiaYou might want to morror edubuntu, but there are probably other parts to that solution (it's certainly beyond my understanding of how gnome-menus works).06:35
eletidonvm, found what i was looking for.06:36
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infinitocan anyone take a little time to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5528 ??07:03
pochudholbach: will the meeting be here, or in -meeting? In the mail you say here...07:06
dholbach#ubuntu-meeting of course07:06
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Hobbseedholbach: meeting?  what meeting?  when?07:07
dholbachfollowed up07:07
dholbach"later" MOTU meeting07:07
pochuHobbsee: MOTU meeting, tomorrow 13 UTC07:07
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Hobbseepochu: define "tomorrow"07:08
crimsunFri 15 Jun07:08
Hobbseetomorrow is a relative term, please specify a day or date.07:08
pochuHobbsee: aren't you subscribed to ubuntu-motu@ ?07:08
Hobbseeoh goody, i'll actually be alive then.  hopefully.07:09
Hobbseepochu: i am - hadnt checked my email in the last hour, and there's nothing in the topic about it07:09
persiaHobbsee: now+20h07:10
Hobbseecool, yeah.  11pm local, it looks like07:11
persiainfinito: I can't give the package proper review (python packaging confuses me), but you probably want to add a note at the bottom of debian/copyright detailing the licensing applicable for the packaging, and you definitely want to List the "needs-packaging" bug in LP as closed.  (If a bug doesn't exist, create it, set to "In Progress", and assign yourself.07:12
infinitopersia: i dont understand the thing about the license note...07:13
persiainfinito: There's a good example at the bottom of http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00023.html07:14
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dholbachScottK: I think it makes more sense, if you start off a clamav discussion on ubuntu-devel-discuss@07:18
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dholbachScottK: in a meeting without you and without the background - that does not work07:22
ScottK-laptopdholbach: At the last meeting there was some discussion about looking at the API differences between libclamav1 and libclamav2.  I've got nothing to add to that (I'm hopelessly unqualified).  I'd suggest those of you who might do that, talk about who will do what and get it going.07:22
ScottK-laptoppersia: I think it needs constant pressure or we won't get it fixed because it's a REALLY hard problem.07:22
dholbachit'd be nice to have a list of stuff that needs backporting etc07:22
leonelScottK-laptop: may be  can be done  as  with postgresql that we can have  8.2 and  8.1   installed  07:22
persiaScottK: I agree, I'm just not sure that's the best venue.  Perhaps the mailing list, or a meeting that someone who is chasing it will attend.  Will any of the others working on it be able to attend?  Perhaps they could represent it.07:22
ScottK-laptopleonel: That's basically what I proposed and the last meeting and got little traction.07:22
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RainCTpersia: hi. where should I write that comment about the Blueprint you said yersterday?07:22
persiaRainCT: Um.  Could you please feed me a little more context?  My heap is lossy.07:23
RainCTpersia:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/rosetta-desktopfile-ui07:23
infinitopersia: already done both (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5530 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/120436)07:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120436 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  pyrenamer" [Undecided,In progress]  07:23
persiainfinito: Great!  Now you just need someone familiar with python packaging to review :)07:24
ScottK-laptopdholbach: The list of stuff that would need to be backported with it is huge (too big).07:24
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crimsunso how's revu day progressing?07:25
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dholbachthe list should be clearer now07:25
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persiaRainCT: I'd suggest starting by contacting the author of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RosettaDesktopfileUi, and based on that discussion, updating the spec.07:26
ScottK-laptopdholbach: Do apt-cache rdepends libclamav2 clamav clamav-daemon07:26
dholbachdaniel@lovegood:~$ apt-cache rdepends libclamav2 clamav clamav-daemon | grep -E ^' ' | xargs apt-cache showsrc | grep Package | sed 's/Package\:\ //g' | sort -u | wc -l07:28
dholbachthat has clamav and clamav-data included07:28
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persiaCould someone please confirm that http://pastebin.ca/566861 looks like a sensible postinst?07:35
crimsunfor what package07:38
persiacrimsun: apt-file07:38
ScottK-laptopinfinito: I'm looking at your package.07:39
infinitoScottK: thanks :)07:39
persiaI'm just worried about completeness of syntax, so as not to break anything debhelper might want to do (the package previously had no seed).07:39
crimsunpersia: if it doesn't spew ridiculous to std*, then sure.  I'm a bit hesitant on having the package status hinge on an live 'net connection, but that's just me.07:40
persiacrimsun: I'd agree with that reservation.  Is there a standard safe way to check for a network connection prior to attempting to connect?07:41
shawarmapersia: I forget. Was it also you who reviewed those perl packages of mine?07:41
persiashawarma: Yep.  One was good, for the rest, I suggested you ask someone more knowledgeable about the linda output.07:42
shawarmapersia: Alright, and you uploaded that one, did you not?07:42
shawarmapersia: I got a reject mail about it, which I deleted in an inbox cleaning frenzy.07:43
crimsunpersia: a finite ping to the default gateway? Not sure.07:43
persiashawarma: No.  Based on your guidelines, I advocated and expected you to upload.  Do you want me to upload?07:43
shawarmapersia: Nono, I'll do it.07:43
persiacrimsun: Thanks for the suggestion anyway.  I'll look through list archives: I seem to remember seeing this discussed in the past.07:43
persiashawarma: Great.  Thanks.07:43
shawarmapersia: Oh, thank *you*.07:44
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crimsunbddebian: what?07:44
persiabddebian: You will always be needed07:44
bddebianHa, you da man now! :)07:44
crimsunbddebian is handling alsa for gutsy, yay!07:45
bddebiancrimsun: hahaha.  I would be incapable even if I wanted to :_)07:45
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ScottK-laptopinfinito: Comment submitted.07:48
ScottK-laptopbddebian: You are needed because no one is grinding through and giving a first set of REVU comments like you usually do when you aren't here.07:48
bddebianHeh, heya ScottK-laptop07:49
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infinitoScottK: so u want me to remove the binary-install/pyrenamer... stuff ??07:52
infinitoScottK-laptop:         ^07:54
persiaScottK: Does that work without python-distutils?07:54
infinitoit seems that removing the binary-install/pyrenamer stuff doesn't work very well...07:56
infinitothe python stuff goes to /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/pyrenamer instead of  /usr/share/python-support/pyrenamer07:57
ScottK-laptopYes.  It'd be much easier if upstream used distuils instead of a makefile.08:02
ScottK-laptoppersia: The package doesn't use distutils08:03
xxxxx1hello bddebian 08:03
bddebianHeya xxxxx108:03
persiaScottK: That's what I thought.  I just thought that binary-install/foo: was required when not using disutils.  Thanks for the clarification.08:03
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bmmpersia: are you online? The "minor detail" I changed in the last update to perfect my package seems to be wrong http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=551108:04
ScottK-laptopAll he was doing in shi binary install was call dh_pysupport directly rather than tell cdbs what python system he was suinjg.08:04
bmmShould I mention the dpatches in the changelog or not? I'm not sure what to do now.08:04
ScottK-laptoperr usung08:04
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ScottK-laptopbmm: If you are patching the source, it should be mentioned08:05
bmmScottK-laptop: so I should put that changelog line back? The only person who advocated the package so far, said it should be removed.08:06
infinitoScottK-laptop: if i remove the dh_pysupport, it seems that pysupport is not using while building the deb08:06
persiabmm: Both are correct.  Zak has convinced me that documentation is good since my comment, but my advocation for either 5413 or 5511 stands.08:07
ScottK-laptopdid you add DEB_PYTHON_SYSTEM=pysupport?08:07
ScottK-laptopinfinito: Are you upstream for this?08:08
ScottK-laptopWhy use a makefile instead of a distutils setup.py?08:08
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bmmpersia: Then I'll add the changelog line again, and see if that will get more people to advocate it ;-)08:08
infinitoScottK-laptop: rules file http://pastebin.ca/56692608:09
vijay2000hi all 08:09
infinitoScottK-laptop: because im used to, and translations are easier with autotools...08:09
persiabmm: It's too late those those far out on the pacific rim, but you might get lucky.08:09
vijay2000i am trying to build notecase . i am getting the following error when i build http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25584/08:10
vijay2000can anybody help me out 08:10
bmmpersia: what should I be learning from that line?08:10
ScottK-laptopHmmm.  I think it's goint to be tough to get the python tools to work right.  Let me play with it a bit...08:10
persiabmm: The last commenter is away for the next several hours, so you don't have an opportunity to get a quick ACK from a reupload based on the last comment.  If you make a new upload, you might be able to get someone else who is currently actively reviewing packages.08:12
vijay2000persia: can u help me out 08:13
bmmpersia: I'm willing to do anything (almost) for the package, so an upload is no problem.08:13
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persiavijay2000: Not really.  I'm soon to bed, and still have a list I need to hit before then.08:13
bmmpersia: I just need to know what to do: change it, or just wait another few days?08:13
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shawarmapersia: Found the linda bug that made it break on the perl man pages..08:14
vijay2000persia: no issues 08:14
persiabmm: If someone else who commented on it would be willing to advocate based on the debian/changelog changes, I'd do a quick upload.  If not, I'd try to catch the last commenter in 10-12 hours, and see if they would ACK based on an upload.  Otherwise, I'd wait.08:15
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persiashawarma: Cool.  If you send the patch quick, and ping the maintainer in about 6 hours (usually), I suspect it might get into the upload that is being prepared.08:15
bmmpersia: thanks! I'll try to contact the commenter then and work from there, if that fails it will just give the package some more time :-D08:16
shawarmapersia: Oh, there's a linda update on the way?08:16
persiashawarma: One was mentioned here in the last couple days.  I don't know how serious the upload planning is.08:17
shawarmapersia: Alright. It was due to '::' having a magic meaning during some checks. If '::' was in the filename, a line got split in the wrong place and everything blew up.08:18
persiashawarma: definitely file a bug.  I'd suggest filing in Debian, as the maintainer doesn't check the Ubuntu status as often.08:19
shawarmaStevenK: Please apply http://people.ubuntu.com/~soren/fix_perl_manpages.diff to linda to stop it from breaking on perl man pages.08:19
shawarmapersia: It's StevenK, isn't it?08:19
persiashawarma: Yes.08:20
infinitoScottK-laptop: what does this mean? E: pyrenamer source: build-depends-indep-should-be-build-depends python-support (>= 0.3) 08:20
ScottK-laptopIt means you need to move python-support from build-depends-indep to build-depends08:21
bmmIbalon zakame or zachy , are you online?08:22
shawarmapersia: If you're bored, you could apply the patch to /usr/share/python-support/linda/linda/collector.py, check out my perl packages and advocate them.08:22
persiashawarma: It's too late for me to take new activities tonight.  Sorry.08:22
shawarmapersia: Only if you're bored, though. You've helped me plenty today already.08:23
shawarmapersia: Quite alright.08:23
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stijn_polHi everyone! 08:25
persiaHi stijn_pol08:25
stijn_polpersia: allright, it has been a while..08:25
persiastijn_pol: Sorry about that.08:26
mok0Why does help2man never work?08:26
mok0I _always_ get: help2man: can't get `-h' info from 08:27
stijn_polpersia: no, due to my exams, anyway: bug 120028, is this a bug to make a patch for. Or is this more a feature request that should be reported upstream?08:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120028 in drpython "Default save location" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12002808:27
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persiastijn_pol: Looks like a good one to me.  It's definitely a distribution level issue (for a change), so it should be a lot easier to see your changes distributed in the archive this time :)08:28
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infinitoScottK-laptop: i'm using the dh_pysupport directly because of this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy#head-a9676f76c81944360eba13aa9bda1a7fcc7ad72408:36
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ScottK-laptopinfinito: You were looking in the python-support section, but you need to look in the cdbs section.08:39
ScottK-laptopinfinito: The python-support section is written with a traditional debhelper rules file in mind and not CDBS.08:39
infinitoScottK-laptop: im looking at CDBS + the hard way08:40
ScottK-laptopinfinito: OK08:40
infinitoScottK: it says: "If your package does not uses distutils blablabla..."08:40
ScottK-laptopinfinito: Right.  I take back that part of the comment.08:40
ScottK-laptopinfinito: The way you had it is right for a non-distutils packages.08:41
infinitoScottK-laptop: so im gonna upload it again right now with the other things fixed...08:41
ScottK-laptopinfinito: Your life will be a lot easier in the long run I think if you use distutils.08:41
ScottK-laptopOK.  I'll look again.08:42
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infinitoScottK-laptop: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5532 ...i think it's fixed...08:48
mok0I figured out the help2man problem, is anyone interested?08:48
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ScottK-laptopinfinito: As a quick look, you didn't change the name of the binary to python-renamer08:50
ScottK-laptopBinary Python packages are supposed to start with python-08:50
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infinitoScottK-laptop: nops, should i? i mean, the app is called pyrenamer, no python-rename, it's not a python module, but a python app08:51
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ScottK-laptopinfinito: Agreed.  I just read the Python policy over and I think you are fine.08:54
jribhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5444 python module is new if anyone has a free minute or two.  Thanks08:56
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ScottK-laptopinfinito: It's putting the files in python-support/pyrenamer/pyrenamer dir.  That doesn't seem right...09:08
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infinitoScottK-laptop: yeps, i see...09:09
infinitoScottK-laptop: i don't know how to fix that...09:11
hendrixskidoes anyone have a problem with their dchroot refusing to connect to the repositories after an arbitrary amount of time?09:11
hendrixskiI'm learning packaging inside of chroots so as not to risk my system... and like after 3 reboots it seems to not connect to apt anymore09:12
ScottK-laptopinfinito: I'm not either.  All the Python packages I've done used distutils.09:12
infinitoScottK-laptop: i dont know how to use distutils :(09:13
hendrixskiinfinito, http://docs.python.org/dist/09:14
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ScottK-laptopinfinito: It's not so hard.  Take a look at setup.py in the pyyaml source package.09:14
infinitoScottK-laptop: it seems normal behaviour, take a look for example to this: dpkg -L python-notify09:24
infinitoScottK-laptop: it seems that it makes a dir for the package, and then a subdir for the class09:25
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(ScottK-laptop/#ubuntu-motu) Schitso: Others may have other ideas.10:58
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mok_What to do if a package does _not_ have any dependencies (statically linked binaries)11:04
ScottK-laptopDon't list any11:04
mok_Lintian complains11:04
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ScottK-laptopWhat package?11:04
mok_It's the biomolecular toolkit (btk) that I am building11:05
mok_not in the repo11:05
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mok0so there is no Depends: null rule ?11:08
ScottK-laptopcrimsun: I got the accept this time.11:08
Q-FUNKmok0: even then, you'd need the generic libc dependency that's added with 11:12
Q-FUNKDepends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}11:12
shawarmaScottK-laptop: Not that I mind or anything, but why'd you change the Maintainer field to you in libreadonly-perl?11:14
Q-FUNKmok0: e2fsck-static seems to be a good example of a statically-linked package.  see if you can learn anything from it.?11:14
ScottK-laptopshawarma: Probably because I message up.11:15
shawarmaScottK-laptop: First time, you forgot "-sa" it appears.11:15
shawarmaScottK-laptop: The "Maintainer" in .changes is the Maintainer from debian/control is it not?11:15
ScottK-laptopshawarma: I think that's just in the .changes file, not in debian/control.11:15
ScottK-laptopNot always11:16
shawarmaChanged-By is from debian/changelog.11:16
ScottK-laptopshawarma: Look at man dpkg-buildpackage and -m11:16
shawarmaScottK-laptop: Yes, I was just about to say something to tha teffet.11:16
shawarmathat effect, even.11:17
shawarmaSheesh, I'm typing like a.. well, a person who doesn't type very well.11:17
pochulike a shawarma? :p11:17
shawarmapochu: Right. Like "a shawarma" rather than "the shawarma". :)11:18
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shawarmaScottK-laptop: How about the other perl packages? Did you check them out?11:21
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ScottK-laptopThe meeting I'm in is getting close to over, so I don't know how much looking I'll be able to do...11:22
shawarmahttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5506 http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5507 http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5508 11:22
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shawarmaScottK-laptop: linda has a bug that makes it break on the man pages, but apart from that, it should be fine.11:24
ScottK-laptopshawarma: Why is libnet-cups-perl-0.51.orig/const-c.inc in the debian diff?11:27
shawarmaScottK-laptop: Um..11:28
shawarmaScottK-laptop: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/libnet-cups-perl-0706131155/libnet-cups-perl-0.51/11:28
shawarmaScottK-laptop: I don't see it.11:28
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ajmitchgit clone git://people.freedesktop.org/~jrmuizel/mmio-trace11:29
ScottK-laptopshawarma: Look at http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/libnet-cups-perl-0706131155/libnet-cups-perl_0.51-0ubuntu1.diff11:29
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ajmitchbad paste11:30
ajmitchhello bddebian 11:30
ajmitchlong long time no see11:30
bddebianAye, sorry, work has been killing me :-(11:30
shawarmaScottK-laptop: Ah.. Good question. Probably some sort of autogenerated cruft that needs to cleaned.11:30
ScottK-laptopshawarma: Also I would have expected you to be building an architecture independent package..11:30
crimsunScottK-laptop: ok11:31
ajmitchbddebian: it's ok, I've not been active at all11:31
bddebianOh, so nothing has changed?11:31
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ajmitchpretty much11:32
shawarmaScottK-laptop: Um. No. It build .so's and shit.11:32
ScottK-laptopshawarma: OK.11:32
ajmitchso there's no real reason for me to still hang around ubuntu channels11:32
shawarmaHey, ajmitch!11:33
crimsunajmitch is trying to pretend he doesn't do stuff in main.  Pfft.11:33
ajmitchI don't11:33
bddebianajmitch: pshaw11:34
ajmitchoh, new alsa-utils11:34
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crimsunyeah, I broke something again (surprise)11:34
ajmitchbut I point the finger solely at hardware11:34
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ScottK-laptopshawarma: Comments on all 3.11:50
xxxxx1bye all!11:52
shawarmaScottK-laptop: Thanks!11:54
SchitsoUgh, I suck at triaging... -_-12:02
shawarmaScottK-laptop: I thought about the "all rights reserved" thing, too. The upstream readme gives that and then also says that it's under the same license as perl itself..12:02
ScottK-laptopSchitso: You'll learn.  It takes practice.12:03
ScottK-laptopshawarma: I think you need to address it with the upstream.12:03
shawarmaScottK-laptop: /me lets out a deep sigh12:04
ScottK-laptopshawarma: Also, don't forget that Perl is licensed under GPL version 1 too.12:04
shawarmaScottK-laptop: Yes?12:04
ScottK-laptopshawarma: So "Same terms as Perl" includes GPL 1, GPL 2, and Artistic12:04
shawarmaScottK-laptop: To be honest, the README says "This library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify12:05
shawarmait under the same terms as Perl itself. 12:06
shawarmaScottK-laptop: What *I* did was to yank out the stuff from /usr/share/doc/perl/copyright12:06
shawarmaScottK-laptop: and put that in. That made sense to me.12:06
ScottK-laptopSounds reasonable.12:06
shawarmaBut I totally agree there's an ambiguity in one sense.12:06
shawarmaIn another sense, there's no doubt in my mind what the author meant.12:06
shawarmaHe meant it to be released under the same terms as perl. He just made the mistake of putting "all rights reserved", too.12:07
ScottK-laptopIf the copyright holder asserts All Rights Reserved, I don't know that the archive admins are going to be OK with it.12:07
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ScottK-laptopRight, so ask him to fix it.12:07
shawarmaScottK-laptop: Yeah.12:08
shawarmaScottK-laptop: I fixed the autogenerated bits in libnet-cups-perl, by the way. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=553612:11
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SchitsoAnyone know why I can't change the Importance of a bug report?12:12
SchitsoI just need to change it to wish list...12:12
ScottK-laptopSchitso: You need to be in ubuntu-qa for that.12:12
SchitsoShould I join that, then?12:12

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