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| Keybuk | wasabi: so let me try and explain :) | 01:25 |
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| Keybuk | you have a job for a web server | 01:25 |
| Keybuk | in this job, you define the configuration for the web server itself; what needs to be run, how to prepare the machine and clean up afterwards, etc. | 01:25 |
| Keybuk | any chroot/chdir/resource limits/etc. | 01:25 |
| Keybuk | this is the "job" | 01:25 |
| Keybuk | you also define the machine state in which the web server should be running | 01:25 |
| Keybuk | these are events and pairs of cancelling events | 01:26 |
| Keybuk | or references to other job/states | 01:26 |
| Keybuk | e.g. the web server is running while there is at least one non-local network interface up and the filesystem has been assembled | 01:26 |
| Keybuk | this is "the state in which the web server can be run" | 01:26 |
| Keybuk | and the web server job state is nominally coupled to this state | 01:27 |
| Keybuk | any changes to this state change the goal of the web server job | 01:27 |
| Keybuk | however this is not "the state in which the web server IS running" | 01:27 |
| Keybuk | because the web server could fail to start, and stop again, without the underlying state being changed | 01:27 |
| Keybuk | or the web server could be started and stopped manually | 01:27 |
| Keybuk | or the web server could be a member of a disabled profile | 01:27 |
| Keybuk | etc. | 01:27 |
| Keybuk | jobs that reference "when a web server is running" are NOT referencing the state in which the server could be running, but the state in which it IS running | 01:28 |
| Keybuk | so there's a second state here | 01:28 |
| Keybuk | one state is defined in the job configuration and is tied to the goal of the job | 01:28 |
| Keybuk | the other state is implicit and is tied to the state of the job | 01:28 |
| Keybuk | so "with apache" means the state of the apache job | 01:29 |
| Keybuk | not the state in which the apache job can be running | 01:29 |
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| wasabi | i see | 02:22 |
| Keybuk | does that make sense? | 02:33 |
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| wasabi | does this # have logs? | 04:05 |
| Keybuk | yeah | 04:06 |
| Keybuk | people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/upstart-devel-.... | 04:06 |
| Keybuk | err | 04:06 |
| Keybuk | upstart-... :p | 04:06 |
| Keybuk | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/States | 04:26 |
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| AlexExtreme | heh, the implementation of profiles i did before was purely lazy | 06:13 |
| Keybuk | hmm? | 06:14 |
| AlexExtreme | well, it had absolutely no support for changing profile at runtime, in fact it was quite easy to do that | 06:15 |
| AlexExtreme | it used multiple variables to store info about the current profile rather than a struct | 06:15 |
| AlexExtreme | so i've had to do a fair bit of work to get it working with the new config code, rather than changing a few lines | 06:16 |
| AlexExtreme | laziness != good ;) | 06:16 |
| Keybuk | oops, sorry | 06:27 |
| AlexExtreme | \o/ | 06:36 |
| AlexExtreme | parse_profile.c written | 06:36 |
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| Keybuk | never read code you wrote when you were 18 | 06:37 |
| Keybuk | it's very disturbing | 06:38 |
| AlexExtreme | heh | 06:38 |
| AlexExtreme | i have code here that i wrote when I was 9 | 06:38 |
| AlexExtreme | it's *very* disturbing ;) | 06:38 |
| AlexExtreme | not to mention that it's written in VB | 06:38 |
| ion_ | Anything VB is disturbing. | 06:39 |
| AlexExtreme | true | 06:39 |
| ion_ | Speaking of disturbing and VB, http://johan.kiviniemi.name/blag/2006/12/26/excellence/ (in you havent been spammed with this URL yet). | 06:40 |
| AlexExtreme | interesting | 06:41 |
| wasabi | blah. this new server will not run mdrun and vgchange properly in the initramfs | 06:47 |
| wasabi | these packages are constantly pissing me off heh | 06:47 |
| Keybuk | wasabi: which release? | 06:48 |
| wasabi | feisty | 06:48 |
| Keybuk | heh, yeah, that was pretty bustef | 06:48 |
| wasabi | My desktop on gutsy is busted too. | 06:48 |
| Keybuk | yeah, gutsy is more busted righ tnow | 06:48 |
| wasabi | ... my desktop is weird. It looks like udev spawns a ton of mdadm processes. | 06:48 |
| wasabi | infinitly. | 06:48 |
| Keybuk | evms installed? | 06:48 |
| wasabi | Nope, I've removed EVMS from teh picture. | 06:49 |
| Keybuk | oh right | 06:49 |
| Keybuk | dunno then | 06:49 |
| wasabi | You win.=) | 06:49 |
| Keybuk | I do? | 06:49 |
| wasabi | Yup. No more evms for me. heh | 06:49 |
| Keybuk | lol | 06:50 |
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| Keybuk | "make wasabi use ext3" <g> | 06:50 |
| wasabi | Are you still familiar with the local-top/mdadm|run scripts, or is somebody else doing them now? | 06:50 |
| wasabi | Oh, you won that too. | 06:50 |
| Keybuk | I'm trying to understand what they do/are for | 06:50 |
| wasabi | I just reformatted to ext3. | 06:50 |
| wasabi | Mostly because half of my files because mysteriously truncated. | 06:51 |
| Keybuk | heh, it's interesting how most people abandon XFS after an "event" | 06:51 |
| Keybuk | mine was when a bunch of files had \0 through them for no readily apparent reason | 06:51 |
| wasabi | ldconfig: file /usr/lib/libwine.so.1 is truncated | 06:52 |
| wasabi | at least ldconfig is very clear about the problem. heh | 06:52 |
| wasabi | RUN+="watershed -i udev-mdadm /scripts/local-top/mdadm from-udev" | 06:52 |
| ion_ | keybuk: Ditto. | 06:52 |
| Keybuk | yeah | 06:52 |
| wasabi | That's an odd one. What's the 'udev-mdadm' in there refer to? | 06:52 |
| Keybuk | I don't understand why ian runs that | 06:52 |
| Keybuk | since in the real filesystem, we just run mdadm itself | 06:53 |
| wasabi | You mean mdrun? | 06:53 |
| Keybuk | err, mdadm I think | 06:53 |
| Keybuk | I don't really understand what the difference between the two mdadm related initramfs scripts is | 06:53 |
| Keybuk | and what the difference between mdrun and mdadm is | 06:53 |
| Keybuk | once I understand, mdadm shall be fixed | 06:53 |
| wasabi | Looks like mdrun does auto detection. It's a single shot line that probes all drives. | 06:53 |
| wasabi | Probably not what you need with udev feeding events. | 06:54 |
| wasabi | Hmm. Yeah, looks like mdadm has the work mdrun does duplicated... just in a harder fashion. | 06:56 |
| wasabi | ... builds a config file on the fly from --scan, and then uses that. | 06:56 |
| Keybuk | interesting | 06:59 |
| Keybuk | neither seems right though, since we need to run something repeatedly until it sticks? | 06:59 |
| wasabi | Yeah. I think what mdrun does is technically rigth... probes all devices. | 06:59 |
| wasabi | Just watershed it on any device event. | 06:59 |
| wasabi | Oh except mdrun is deprecated. | 07:00 |
| wasabi | well that cinches that. *deletes the file* | 07:01 |
| Keybuk | lol | 07:04 |
| Keybuk | welcome to my world | 07:10 |
| Keybuk | "ah, this looks exactly right ... wait, what'd'ya mean deprecated?" | 07:10 |
| ion_ | :-) | 07:11 |
| AlexExtreme | :) | 07:16 |
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| Keybuk | you rained yesterday, so flying was cancelled | 07:18 |
| Keybuk | you're raining again today | 07:18 |
| Keybuk | you better not rain on Saturday | 07:18 |
| AlexExtreme | heh. sometimes I wonder whether this really is summer... | 07:22 |
| AlexExtreme | i think we had summer here in april ;) | 07:22 |
| Keybuk | yeah | 07:23 |
| ion_ | Not very summer-ish here either, but thats to be expected, this is Finland after all. :-) | 07:25 |
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| AlexExtreme | well, that's a start | 07:59 |
| AlexExtreme | it segfaulted | 07:59 |
| AlexExtreme | :p | 07:59 |
| AlexExtreme | bah | 08:07 |
| wasabi | honest question. how do you know what is "supported" and not "supported" on ubuntu. md, for instance. How can it be that it is knowingly busted in feisty? | 08:07 |
| wasabi | Heh. | 08:07 |
| AlexExtreme | it helps to call nih_list_init on a NihList before using it | 08:07 |
| wasabi | In fact who specifically should be tarred and feathered for this? | 08:08 |
| AlexExtreme | i'm not sure about md in feisty, i used it once it it was broken, kinda. | 08:09 |
| AlexExtreme | can't remember what happened exactly | 08:09 |
| AlexExtreme | brb, testing again | 08:10 |
| wasabi | Or perhaps it's my fault for thinking feisty would work at all the same things dapper did. Perhaps the lack of the LTS. | 08:11 |
| AlexExtreme | neat | 08:12 |
| AlexExtreme | it worked | 08:12 |
| wasabi | hmm. wonder if mdadm and vgchange could somehow deadlock on each other. | 08:16 |
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