[03:49] <vidd_bricktop> anyone know how to disable a touchpad on a laptop when a mouse is detected?
[04:01] <Jester45> pull the touchpad out ? :)
[04:33] <homebrewcider> has anybody had any luck getting the scanner part of a Canon MP510 working in Xubuntu?
[04:51] <homebrewcider> has anybody had any luck getting the scanner part of a Canon MP510 working in Xubuntu?
[04:53] <Catoptromancy> !cups
[04:53] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[05:06] <homebrewcider> cheers
[05:11] <vidd_bricktop> *wave* maxamillion
[05:11] <vidd_bricktop> your on late
[05:11] <maxamillion> hiya vidd_bricktop  .... bricktop?
[05:11] <vidd_bricktop> os[Linux 2.6.20-16-generic i686]  distro[Debian 4.0]  cpu[1 x Celeron (Mendocino) @ 433MHz]  mem[Physical : 313MB, 54.3% free]  disk[Total : 4.21GB, 41.90% Free]  video[ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x]  sound[] 
[05:11] <vidd_bricktop> maxamillion, this thing weighs like 5 pounds
[05:11] <maxamillion> yeah, a little late for me to be starting my irc session for the evening ... but i probably won't be on for too long, been uber busy at work and i'm beat
[05:11] <maxamillion> vidd_bricktop: lol
[05:12] <maxamillion> i love how it says "Debian 4.0"
[05:14] <vidd_bricktop> man.... i HATE php....
[05:16] <vidd_bricktop> maxamillion, you know anything about it?
[05:17] <maxamillion> negative
[05:17] <maxamillion> i know _very_ little php
[05:17] <maxamillion> i know python though :)
[05:17] <vidd_bricktop> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25471/
[05:18] <vidd_bricktop> Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_CONSTANT_ENCAPSED_STRING in /var/www/vidd/registration.php on line 16
[05:18] <vidd_bricktop> maxamillion, what kind of compiler?
[05:19] <maxamillion> vidd_bricktop: for some made up language my prof created in order to teach the compiler theory course
[05:20] <j1mc> maxamillion: how did that turn out?  :)  i remember you hacking on that.  :)
[05:20] <j1mc> it was a "pita", iirc.  :)
[05:21] <maxamillion> pita?
[05:21] <vidd_bricktop> we have anyone here with a clue what im messing up?
[05:21] <maxamillion> i got a B
[05:21] <vidd_bricktop> "iirc"? "If I Recall Correctly"?
[05:23] <vidd_bricktop> but its better then that r3erc  (?) speak
[05:23] <maxamillion> i knew iirc ... but what is "pita"?
[05:23] <j1mc> pain in the a__  :)
[05:23] <j1mc> iirc = if i recall correctly, yes
[05:24] <vidd_bricktop> what is that talk with numbers instead of letters, etc....
[05:24] <vidd_bricktop> =] 
[05:24] <j1mc> maxamillion: how did the compiler turn out?
[05:25] <vidd_bricktop> we used it...pronounced PEE-tah.... in Basic Training
[05:25] <vidd_bricktop> (20 years ago this week)
[05:27] <vidd_bricktop> j1mc, YOU have any clue as to why my php form dont wanna work?
[05:27] <j1mc> vidd_bricktop: sorry, don't really know php
[05:28] <maxamillion> j1mc: i got a 'B' on it ... it compiled fine, but there was an issue with my parser and curly braces so you couldn't nest more than like 5 statements within while loops and if statements
[05:28] <j1mc> not bad.  was it your first one?
[05:32] <maxamillion> j1mc: yup
[05:32] <maxamillion> j1mc: and probably my last .... it really wasn't fun
[05:36] <jgamio> hi everybody I need to do a visual basic program to windows. Can use mono to developed it?
[05:38] <maxamillion> jgamio: sure can
[05:38] <maxamillion> jgamio: develop on mono and then re-compile on windows and life should be good
[05:39] <maxamillion> jgamio: or their might be a cross compilation option in there somewhere ... not entirely sure, only ever played with it in passing ... i have no need for windows development tools
[05:39] <jgamio> maxamillion: thank you
[05:41] <maxamillion> jgamio: anytime
[05:41] <j1mc> maxamillion: where do you go to school again?
[05:41] <jgamio> jgamio: but a question if I need to put windows in my machine for test which is the best virtualbox or quem or vwmare
[05:42] <j1mc> jgamio: hi.  :)  it depends somewhat on your hardware...
[05:42] <vidd_bricktop> jgamio, depends on which version of winbloze you want
[05:42] <vidd_bricktop> if you are using < xp then qemu is good
[05:42] <jgamio> j1mc:  i had two machines now a semprom 2.6 and pentiun d 3.0 with 756 MB
[05:43] <vidd_bricktop> >= xp...no idea
[05:43] <vidd_bricktop> just NOT qemu
[05:43] <j1mc> jgamio: ok... those likely don't have the latest virtualization tech built into the processor...
[05:43] <j1mc> i'd recommend virtualbox, if only because it's worked ok for me.
[05:44] <jgamio>  j1mc: ok i going to tested
[05:45] <jgamio>  j1mc:  A have a question about the documentation. how can i help i readed you and vincent are working on it
[05:45] <j1mc> jgamio: myself and Admiral_Chicago, yes...
[05:46] <j1mc> vincent would be welcome to help, but to my knowledge he's not going to be one of the main helpers.
[05:46] <j1mc> what would you like to know?
[05:48] <jgamio>  j1mc: I used the svn to donwload the last version but look the same like the 7.04 default
[05:49] <j1mc> jgamio: you're correct.  we haven't uploaded any changes to it yet.
[05:49] <jgamio>  j1mc: I wish to help to read and to check the info because my english is not good enough
[05:49] <j1mc> jgamio: :)  thanks!  we would appreciate your help.
[05:50] <j1mc> jgamio: what is your native language?
[05:50] <jgamio>  j1mc: in the writting but i dont have problem with the reading. Spanish
[05:50] <j1mc> what country are you from?  could you help with the translation to the language in your area?
[05:51] <jgamio> j1mc: Peru but I live in Venezuela
[05:51] <j1mc> ok.  :)  my closest friend is going to visit peru!  she leaves this weekend!  :)
[05:52] <j1mc> she is very excited.
[05:53] <jgamio> j1mc: my sister in law is from atlanta and she love peru
[05:53] <j1mc> Are there other *ubuntu users in your area?  is there a venezuelan loco team?
[05:53] <jgamio> j1mc: yes
[05:54] <j1mc> if you want to help with reporting "bugs" in the english version of the documentation, that would be fine.  translating would be fine, too.
[05:54] <jgamio>  j1mc: ok
[05:54] <j1mc> i'll be back in a bit....
[06:04] <Chikubu> im having hard time mounting windows shares, im using pyNeighborhood, it listes the share, the one im trying to mount is "Shared Documents" just says unable to mount, suggestions?
[06:08] <maxamillion> Chikubu: i believe you have to run pyNeighborhood as sudo ... so run the command "gksudo pyneighborhood" in the terminal or the run dialog (alt+f2)
[06:08] <Chikubu> ok, ill try sudo
[06:09] <Chikubu> shouldve thought of that :)
[06:09] <maxamillion> Chikubu: no worries ... i think i heard that somewhere and i also recall complaints on how it wasn't very well documented
[06:11] <Chikubu> that did it :)
[06:11] <Chikubu> now, why isnt this ancent sb 16 isa card working....worked in windows before i erased windows hehe
[06:11] <Chikubu> its like its not detected, device manager isnt listing it
[06:12] <maxamillion> Chikubu: its very possible that support for it was dropped, but i don't doubt there is a module floating around for it somewhere ... might just wanna search google for "ubuntu sb 16 isa" or something similar ... or go more vague and say "sb 16 isa card linux module"
[06:12] <Chikubu> ive read that support for it is in almost all distro's
[06:13] <Chikubu> that is pretty solid being an old tech alot was built on
[06:13] <Chikubu> do you know what irq a modem is likely to use by default?  read something that if a pci device has irq 5 sound card might not be detected, guess i can just yank it
[06:14] <Chikubu> means a reboot, ugg have a zillion things going
[06:15] <Chikubu> have a post scrip printer i need to get working, via printer port, parrallel
[06:16] <maxamillion> Chikubu: you don't have to reboot ... if you know the module, just remove the module and yank the card ... no harm done
[06:16] <Chikubu> does xubuntu detect printers or is it a manual affair?
[06:17] <vidd_bricktop> sorta manual....
[06:17] <maxamillion> Chikubu: well, if they are usb it is "detected" as a device, but you have to resolve the drivers (which generally isn't too painful) ... the one i have at my office at work took me i think 3 button clicks
[06:17] <vidd_bricktop> there is a tool
[06:18] <Chikubu> not usb, though i have a usb parrellal port
[06:18] <vidd_bricktop> what kind of printer?
[06:18] <Chikubu> its a very odd printer, not standard, its wide format
[06:18] <vidd_bricktop> (please dont say lexmark)
[06:19] <Chikubu> prints up to 54inches wide, feet long hp designjet 3500cp
[06:19] <vidd_bricktop> Chikubu, the driver is available via the config tool
[06:20] <Chikubu> were is the config tool
[06:21] <vidd_bricktop> <settings<printers
[06:21] <vidd_bricktop> *printing
[06:21] <Chikubu> oh im looking at that, thougth u meant another, so i manualy add the printer
[06:22] <Chikubu> when it asks for location, what do i put? under win/dos it would be lp1
[06:22] <vidd_bricktop> um...
[06:23] <Chikubu> its is not a usb printer
[06:23] <vidd_bricktop> i know
[06:24] <vidd_bricktop> but it IS going through your usb port
[06:24] <maxamillion> Chikubu: that's fine ... it doesn't have to be, the printer setup tool will work with parallel printers
[06:24] <vidd_bricktop> the location would be like "upsatirs" "in the basement"
[06:25] <Chikubu> O lol i thought it wanted were it was connected
[06:26] <Chikubu> guess "human readalbe" should have clued me in
[06:29] <vidd_bricktop> mine says "baby's momma's youngest son's room
[06:29] <vidd_bricktop> =] 
[06:30] <Chikubu> mine's in the loft, about broke my back getting it up here hehe
[06:31] <Chikubu> u sure i can pull the pci card with out a reboot?
[06:31] <vidd_bricktop> pci????
[06:31] <Chikubu> the modem
[06:32] <maxamillion> Chikubu: well if its managed by hal or you rmmod the module first, then yes ... technically you should be able to ... but then you get into the realm of "how electro-statically safe is this?"
[06:32] <Chikubu> i think the modem might be using irq 5 which might be interfering with the hardware detctin of the sound card isa
[06:32] <vidd_bricktop> like "crack the case, unscrew the screw, " yank the pci?
[06:32] <Chikubu>  ah heck ill just shutdown
[06:32] <Chikubu> there is lazy and then LAZY
[06:34] <Chikubu> bbiab
[06:35] <maxamillion> vidd_bricktop: i used to do it all the time while i worked at BestBuy because it wasn't my hardware
[06:36] <vidd_bricktop> maxamillion, I did it ONCE.....caught my watch in the cpu fan......never do it again
[06:36] <vidd_bricktop> like to have broke my wrist....
[06:36] <vidd_bricktop> =\
[06:36] <maxamillion> ouch
[06:36] <maxamillion> that's no good
[06:37] <maxamillion> vidd_bricktop: sooo .... why you on the bricktop?
[06:37] <vidd_bricktop> had to replace the fan too
[06:37] <vidd_bricktop> t it to FINALLY connect to the internet
[06:37] <maxamillion> irony
[06:38] <maxamillion> ah, so using it out of celebration?
[06:38] <vidd_bricktop> yeah
[06:39] <vidd_bricktop> is there a way to tell apache that "this site has a php library, and it can include from there as well as the system default"?
[06:41] <maxamillion> vidd_bricktop: apache2-mod-php and then some config
[06:41] <vidd_bricktop> in /etc?
[06:42] <maxamillion> no clue
[06:42] <maxamillion> i didn't set that stuff up on my server, i just know the modules that are used
[06:43] <maxamillion> i'm outta here
[06:43] <maxamillion> night all
[08:15] <coldsteal> whats the app that i can select what starts in w/e runlevel
[08:22] <coldsteal> i used it to remoce gdm
[09:38] <alnokta> how can i reduce the size of dialog boxes?
[10:16] <yesdup> Hi all. I have installed firehol as my firewall but recently i found that i switched on but haden't logged in and there was a stream of 11111111...... s continually been entered at my log in screen. I think this is possibly a hacker trying to get in through remote desktop?? And i also think that i haven't set Firehol to initiate at the correct run level i.e 1 or 2.?? Or i have set it to run at startup?? So how do i do those things and also I'm 
[10:18] <yesdup> Sorry meant to say i HAVEN'T set up a rd server
[10:20] <Pumpernickel> I'd check your keyboard for stuck keys / shorted keys / messed up connections first.
[10:21] <Pumpernickel> Xubuntu doesn't ship with any remote access server software, which makes 'hacking' it a bit unrealistic.
[10:21] <yesdup> Ok no remote desktop so scratch that idea.
[10:22] <yesdup> The keboar is fine, i have checked. and it work 100% under windows.
[10:25] <yesdup> but the firewall should still start at an early run level, Right? And if its not a sticky key (happens only in xubuntu) then what is it.
[10:30] <Pumpernickel> Firehol is just a graphical rules-builder - it produces a working configuration for iptables, which is implemented in the kernel.
[10:30] <Pumpernickel> It doesn't actually have to be running for the filtering rules to be in effect.
[10:40] <yesdup> pumpernickel Ok. So your saying that my firehol firewall should be working from run level 1 and that is't the problem? So what/who is writeing 111111...s on my screen and how do istop it?
[10:44] <yesdup> Oh by the way "Firehol is just a graphical rules-builder" it incorrect. It isn't graphical. just text based.
[10:44] <MaxFrames> hello
[10:47] <MaxFrames> a strange thing happened when I upgraded from v. 6.10 to v. 7.04
[10:48] <MaxFrames> I did the upgrade last tuesday, and the result was that a few seconds after the log in, the mouse freezed for a second, then the display went blank, and then I was taken back to the logon screen
[10:49] <MaxFrames> Today instead everyting goes fine... but I did not change anything whatsoever!
[10:49] <MaxFrames> I just booted again (for the n.th time) and this time the problem has gone...
[11:02] <yesdup> Max frames good to hear that your prob has gone. but does anyone know why i have 1111111111...s on my xubuntu screen in any and all text enrty boxes when the firewall is turned off.
[11:03] <MaxFrames> no clue, sorry
[11:04] <MaxFrames> anyway... I installed xubuntu to learn something about Linux... this self-solved problem didn't leave much room for learning though :P
[11:04] <MaxFrames> what was the problem? unknown. how was it fixed? unknown.
[11:04] <MaxFrames> anyway v7 is sooooo much better than v6! :)
[11:05] <MaxFrames> even faster on my old PC
[11:05] <yesdup> if i run /etc/init.d/fiehol stop then after about five or so mins someone starts writing 11111111..... and my network monitor shows traffic in both directions. If i run/etc/init.d/fiehol start the 11111111... stop and so does the network activity.????
[11:05] <benpicco> hey, as you mention a firewall, how can I get xubuntu using one for alle internet related stuff?
[11:06] <benpicco> well, it more a proxy
[11:06] <MaxFrames> yesdup: looks like someone is doing stuff to your system
[11:07] <MaxFrames> like a remote desktop session... and his "1" key is sticky :P
[11:07] <yesdup> Thats what i think too.
[11:07] <MaxFrames> try to trace him
[11:08] <yesdup> but there is no RD server with xubuntu apparently. and i haven't installed one.
[11:08] <MaxFrames> I'm not into Linux enough to be sure, but I guess there are so many ways one can make stuff appear on your edit boxes
[11:09] <yesdup> I can stop it with the firewall Firehol. but i recently just switched on and didn't logg in when i can back to the screen there was 1111111111... in the log in box.
[11:10] <yesdup> So i figure that my firewall isn't starting soon enough
[11:10] <yesdup> fiesty xubuntu is good isn't it.:d
[11:11] <yesdup> better than v6
[11:11] <MaxFrames> any idea why the terminal window is opened TWICE when I launch it from the X menu the first time?
[11:12] <MaxFrames> I log in, I start the terminal from the XFCE menu, and it is opened twice (two terminal windows)
[11:12] <MaxFrames> if I close both windows and launch terminal again, only one window opens
[11:12] <yesdup> Your not double clicking?
[11:12] <MaxFrames> no
[11:13] <MaxFrames> it did this with v.6 and it's still doing it after the upgrade to v7
[11:13] <yesdup> Just the first time. On every session.
[11:13] <MaxFrames> correct.
[11:13] <MaxFrames> another weirdness....
[11:13] <yesdup> try creating a shortcut on the desktop and use that
[11:14] <yesdup> It may be a fault after updating.
[11:15] <MaxFrames> it was doing this also before the update
[11:15] <MaxFrames> also, sometimes I click on XFCE - QUIT and nothing happens until I click it a second time
[11:16] <yesdup> Same here with the quit. try using the panel quit button on the right it works for me
[11:17] <MaxFrames> anyway... with v6 I couldn't display 1280x1024 (my native monitor resolution) and the display was garbled in OOo... both issues are gone with v7 :)
[11:17] <MaxFrames> looks like they implemented better vcard support
[11:17] <MaxFrames> and the removable drives are better supported too
[11:17] <yesdup> there was a similar problem with thunar opening up two instances in the older versions but thaT 6.06 I THINK
[11:18] <benpicco> any Ideas how to get the system using a html proxy with wich it connects to the Internet? It works if i can configure it in the program, but things like apt-get still try to connect directly to the net - so they don't work
[11:19] <TheSheep> benpicco: you can configure it in apt-get too, see man apt.conf
[11:19] <TheSheep> MaxFrames: Bug #65720
[11:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 65720 in xfdesktop4 "Quit-button in desktop menu in Xfce does not always work" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65720
[11:20] <benpicco> TheSheep: but do I have to this this for *every* single program? ping, nmap. wget, $you_name_it?
[11:20] <TheSheep> benpicco: no, you can instead edit /etc/environment and add 'http_proxy="http://addressofyourproxy:port" there
[11:21] <benpicco> TheSheep: THX!
[11:22] <yesdup> The Sheep: any thought on mysterious 1111111111.......s
[11:25] <TheSheep> yesdup: no idea
[11:26] <yesdup> The sheep:Thanks any ways.
[12:13] <meborc> hi all, a short Q - what ftp client are you using with xfce? i have constant troubles with GFTP and trying to find something to replace it with
[12:13] <benpicco> meborc: FileZilla is nice
[12:14] <meborc> thanks, will try it out
[12:20] <meborc> benpicco, i get this error when running filezilla - ***MEMORY-WARNING***: [6829] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[12:20] <meborc> *** glibc detected *** filezilla: free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x085b1fa0 ***
[12:21] <meborc> i have a really crappy lappy :) so the problem might be hardware
[12:22] <meborc> thanks anyway :D
[01:40] <shirish> guys is there an xubuntu+1 ?
[01:44] <saispo> yep
[01:44] <saispo> and i reinstall a feisty :/
[01:44] <saispo> some bugs today with X :(
[01:48] <shirish> saispo: I tried but didn't see an xubuntu+1
[01:48] <saispo> i see an announce, but i don't remenber where
[01:48] <shirish> I had downloaded an alternate .iso .torrent previously but it had ubuntu on it, rather than xubuntu if you do know please lemme know.
[01:51] <grazie> shirish: I've only seen your last message...can't follow what you want to know
[01:52] <shirish> grazie: I went to xubuntu.org to download an alternate xubuntu .iso .torrent I did manage to download the alternate installer to find it had ubuntu & not xfce on it.
[01:52] <shirish> Of course this happened few days ago. Can somebody recheck & give me a correct .torrent link
[01:53] <shirish> or is the xubuntu 7.10 testing tribe 1 doesn't have an alternate installer ?
[01:54] <shirish> even now the one which I'm downloading has the name gutsy-alternate.iso & doesn't say if its ubuntu or xubuntu
[01:56] <grazie> shirish: Ah you want 7.10 testing? I've not download gutsy yet so I don't know. Should be the same kind of link as feisty testing (but for gutsy)...I'll check
[01:59] <shirish> grazie: thanx a bunch
[02:01] <grazie> shirish: I can only see the daily live (desktop) image here >> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[02:01] <grazie> do know why there know
[02:02] <grazie> do know why there's no alternate
[02:02] <grazie> don't know why there's no alternate (sheesh!)
[02:07] <shirish> grazie: is there a mailing list where I can talk about this issue?
[02:21] <luca_> morning
[02:23] <Pumpernickel> shirish: 1. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/20070612/
[02:23] <Pumpernickel> 2. https://lists.ubuntu.com/#Development+Lists
[02:25] <shirish> Pumpernickel: I am downloading that same daily alternate .iso the problem is the label, it just says gutsy alternate, shouldn't it say xubuntu-alternate or something like that?
[03:33] <StaticRasengan> hi
[03:33] <StaticRasengan> any one there?
[03:34] <Pumpernickel> !anyone
[03:34] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[03:35] <StaticRasengan> has any got wireless working in xubuntu 7.04 on a 20" intel iMac?
[03:36] <StaticRasengan> need wireless working real bad
[03:36] <StaticRasengan> grateful for any help
[03:39] <StaticRasengan> hello?
[03:41] <Pumpernickel> Have you checked the documentation here (hang on a sec...) yet?
[03:41] <Pumpernickel> !wifi
[03:41] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:45] <vidd_laptop> Pumpernickel, i have noticed that in the WPA HowTo, there is a link to a Kubuntu HowTo, but not for xubuntu....does this mean xubuntu works the same as ubuntu, or is it just more lack of support for all things xubuntu?
[03:48] <tanlaan> Does anyone know of a way that I could have an applet in my taskbar that will check on thunderbird while it is in the background? *if that is even possible*
[03:52] <Pumpernickel> vidd_laptop: Link?
[03:52] <grazie> tanlaan: I think it would be possible if you're prepared to write your own applet. Refer to http://xfce.org for documentation (I don't know if thetr is any though)
[03:53] <tanlaan> hmm ok, thanks
[03:53] <tanlaan> off to school =] 
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> it was off the link you gave Pumpernickel
[03:59] <vidd_laptop> what about the "mail checker" applet included by default?
[03:59] <vidd_laptop> "mail watcher"....sorry
[03:59] <vidd_laptop> oh...he left....
[04:01] <Pumpernickel> vidd_laptop: Looks like no one wrote an Xubuntu-specific howto.  The basic networking portions would be identical, but the front-end would be different.
[04:03] <vidd_laptop> do i need to do anything special to my router to use WPA, or does it still use the WEP key i already have?
[04:23] <MeneerE> hello
[04:24] <MeneerE> can anyone help me with -what seems to be- a bug in the alternate installer? (the newest version, i believe it's called feisty fawn)
[04:25] <Pumpernickel> Possibly - details?
[04:25] <MeneerE> it keeps halting at the configuration/installation of "anthy"
[04:25] <MeneerE> the chinese character input
[04:25] <MeneerE> -which i dont need, by the way-
[04:26] <MeneerE> using the alternate installation because i'm trying it out on a celeron laptop with 64 mb memory
[04:26] <MeneerE> (and 4 gb hdd)
[04:26] <Pumpernickel> How long did it pause there?
[04:26] <TheSheep> MeneerE: you can switch to the second console with alt+f2 and kill that process
[04:26] <MeneerE> an hour or three
[04:27] <MeneerE> and then i just killed the laptop :/
[04:27] <TheSheep> MeneerE: then it will just continue the installation
[04:27] <MeneerE> ah, and anthy wont be installed, saving precious hdd space? :D
[04:28] <TheSheep> MeneerE: list the processes with 'ps' and kill the anthy with 'kill PID', where PID is the number listed in the first column by ps
[04:28] <MeneerE> this is able during the installation? (there is no OS on the laptop yet)
[04:28] <MeneerE> possible *
[04:29] <TheSheep> MeneerE: yes
[04:29] <MeneerE> cool, thanks
[04:29] <TheSheep> MeneerE: alt+f2 will give you a second console
[04:29] <MeneerE> going to initialise the installation then
[04:29] <MeneerE> (attempt 3, 3rd time lucky?)
[04:32] <MeneerE> is it possible to change the keyboard layout later on? (i'm unsure if its US english)
[04:34] <vidd_laptop> MeneerE, yes...there is a tool to change keyboard layout
[04:36] <MeneerE> yaay for linux then
[04:37] <MeneerE> i thought installing it would be harder
[04:37] <MeneerE> and weirdish
[04:37] <vidd_laptop> MeneerE, do you have a "qwerty" keyboard?
[04:37] <MeneerE> yes
[04:38] <MeneerE> so i guess thats mostly standard us english
[04:39] <vidd_laptop> MeneerE, then it is 95% likely that you have standard us english
[04:39] <vidd_laptop> is this a laptop or a desktop?
[04:39] <MeneerE> laptop
[04:39] <MeneerE> compaq armada v300
[04:39] <MeneerE> oldie :P
[04:39] <vidd_laptop> nothing wrong with that
[04:40] <MeneerE> LVM isnt neccesary for a basic user, right?
[04:41] <Pumpernickel> Nope.  It's useful if you have a complex partitioning scheme.
[04:42] <MeneerE> use entire disk it is \o/
[04:55] <technel> I just installed Xubuntu 7.04. Why in the world does Open Office look so terrible? It doesn't fit in with the interface at all....
[05:03] <MeneerE> how do i get out of the 2nd console?
[05:03] <MeneerE> :/
[05:07] <Pumpernickel> alt + F7
[05:07] <tomeff> hello
[05:07] <tomeff> it here anz cyech<
[05:07] <tomeff> <
[05:07] <Pumpernickel> Any of F1 - F7 are valid by default.
[05:07] <tomeff> ?
[05:07] <tomeff> czech
[05:08] <tomeff> it here any czech?
[05:08] <TheSheep> MeneerE: alt+f1
[05:08] <TheSheep> !ch | tomeff
[05:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:09] <TheSheep> !cz | tomeff
[05:09] <ubotu> tomeff: esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[05:09] <tomeff> i know
[05:10] <TheSheep> funny there is no chinese text :)
[05:11] <technel> !cn
[05:11] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[05:18] <technel> Can't you add a separator to a XFCE panel like you can in GNOME?
[05:20] <TheSheep> technel: you can
[05:21] <technel> TheSheep, Is it in the "Add New Item" menu? I must be blind :(
[05:21] <TheSheep> technel: it's called 'separator or spacing'
[05:21] <technel> TheSheep, I looked through the menu TWICE and didn't see it, but now I found it...heh, thanks...
[06:58] <usr_rob> i'm downloading xubuntu now, have a question about the desktop icons, are they transparent ? on a screenshot i did see that the icon text do not showed transparancy
[07:13] <TheSheep> usr_rob: depends on the hardware
[07:22] <MeneerE> ah, there
[07:22] <MeneerE> its configuring anthy
[07:22] <MeneerE> [16:28:25]  <TheSheep> MeneerE: list the processes with 'ps' and kill the anthy with 'kill PID', where PID is the number listed in the first column by ps
[07:22] <MeneerE> i listed the processes
[07:22] <MeneerE> and i see /bin/sh/usr/sbin/update-anthy-dics
[07:22] <TheSheep> MeneerE: now, see what number is to the left of it
[07:22] <TheSheep> and type 'kill that-number-here'
[07:22] <MeneerE> 26665
[07:22] <TheSheep> kill 2665
[07:22] <TheSheep> kill 266665
[07:23] <TheSheep> argh
[07:23] <MeneerE> what about /usr/bin/mkworddic -f /etc/anthy/dict.args?
[07:24] <MeneerE> kill it too?
[07:26] <TheSheep> it should die by itself
[07:26] <TheSheep> I think
[07:26] <TheSheep> if not, you can kill it too
[07:26] <TheSheep> switch to the first terminal (alt+f1) to see if the installation proceeds
[07:27] <MeneerE> and the [anthy.postinst]  ?
[07:28] <MeneerE> ..
[07:28] <MeneerE> it doesnt continue
[07:28] <MeneerE> it does :D
[07:28] <MeneerE> omg thank you
[07:29] <MeneerE> it passed the magical 65%
[07:29] <TheSheep> :)
[07:29] <MeneerE> typical that it runs a process with daemon in it at 66%
[07:29] <MeneerE> :>
[07:39] <alnokta> who is the author of xubuntu?
[07:40] <TheSheep> alnokta: community
[07:41] <alnokta> TheSheep, well, we need how it is pronounced see : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Xubuntu
[07:42] <TheSheep> alnokta: I thnk it's mentioned on xubuntu.org
[07:43] <TheSheep> alnokta: I don't know where this text comes from originally, but in the materials for the Welcome Centre it says this: http://welcome.sheep.art.pl/Welcome
[07:44] <TheSheep> "Xubuntu, pronounced as Zooboontoo, is a complete GNU/Linux based operating system [...] "
[07:45] <TheSheep> alnokta: found this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Xubuntu_2006-11-25?highlight=%28Zooboontoo%29
[07:46] <alnokta> TheSheep, any text to search ? ;)
[07:47] <TheSheep> alnokta: 'Zoo'
[07:48] <alnokta> very nice
[07:50] <Jester45> i say it like Xoobuntu
[07:51] <TheSheep> Jester45: how do you pronounce that X ?
 I don't think it really matters.
[07:52] <TheSheep> Jester45: there are generally two schools: ks and z
[07:52] <alnokta> it really matter ;)
[07:52] <Arkh> TheSheep, X like Hacks?  XD
[07:52] <Arkh> Hacksoobuntu :P
[07:53] <TheSheep> 1337800n700
[07:53] <Jester45> o x like ex wife
[07:53] <TheSheep> Jester45: eksubuntu?
[07:53] <Arkh> TheSheep, lame is not leet :P
[07:53] <TheSheep> Jester45: sounds too Japanese ;)
[07:53] <Arkh> lol yeah
[07:53] <MeneerE> nope
[07:53] <MeneerE> cant be
[07:53] <alnokta> there is no consensus on a term
[07:54] <alnokta> where is that wiki?
[07:54] <MeneerE> japanese syllables dont end in consonants
[07:54] <MeneerE> :X
[07:54] <TheSheep> MeneerE: that's why exubuntu sounds oriental
[07:55] <TheSheep> MeneerE: they have one consonant -- n :)
[07:55] <alnokta> TheSheep, where is that wiki?
[07:56] <TheSheep> alnokta: which wiki do you mean by "that"?
[07:56] <MeneerE> so that would make ekusubuntu
[07:56] <alnokta> TheSheep, <vinze> Perhaps we can collaborate on something on the wiki and when it's finished put it on the main website
[07:57] <TheSheep> alnokta: wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:12] <aboyousif> Hello guys .. why xubuntu 7.04 read my IDE hDDs as SCSI SDA ?
[08:14] <j1mc> aboyousif: Developers found out that SATA/SCSI drivers handle PATA drives better than the PATA driver did, so they started using them for all disks. No need to worry about that.
[08:16] <MeneerE> 80% in the installing of the software (if anyone cared to know) \o/
[08:18] <alnokta> TheSheep, should i create a page on the wiki about pronunciation?
[08:31] <alnokta> how light is xfmedia?
[08:34] <MeneerE> 85%
[08:34] <MeneerE> is the installation
[08:35] <MeneerE> fn
[08:35] <MeneerE> at this rate it will take an extra hour to install the xubuntu here :(
[08:37] <alnokta> MeneerE, yo u running the virtual disc?
[08:39] <MeneerE> i am doing the alternative install cd
[08:47] <MeneerE> omfg
[08:47] <MeneerE> it failed :|
[08:52] <MeneerE> it un-failed itself :o
[08:56] <PeP`> hello!
[08:56] <PeP`> I have a little problem with a xubuntu I just installed :/
[08:56] <PeP`> every time I try to run the terminal the x-server crashes and starts again....
[08:57] <PeP`> the only way of running the terminal is by logging out and logging in again in the termimnal mode... :s
[08:57] <PeP`> Doe anyone know why this could be like that, or have an idea how I cold solve my problem? :/
[09:01] <PeP`> I can get it working with gnome2 terminal, but it is a bug...
[09:01] <PeP`> I suppose you all now about it -_-
[09:02] <PeP`> well ok, I'll install gnome2 then
[09:02] <PeP`> bye :D
[09:12] <maxamillion> hello all
[09:23] <tonyyarusso> short lunch
[09:24] <MeneerE> fn
[09:24] <MeneerE> xubuntu is quite limited, but it'll do on the laptop
[09:25] <vidd_laptop> MeneerE, it is extremely expandable.....
[09:26] <MeneerE> i know
[09:26] <MeneerE> but i was kinda used to knoppix
[09:26] <vidd_laptop> its lite so you dont have stuff you will never use hogging your valuable system resources
[10:57] (MeneerE/#xubuntu) i put in a webcam
[10:57] (MeneerE/#xubuntu) wonder if it will recognise it after reboot
[10:57] (MeneerE/#xubuntu) :/
[11:02] <TehRealNexGen> MeneerE: why wouldnt it?
[11:03] <MeneerE> what programme would i use with it, then?
[11:04] <TehRealNexGen> o sorry i thought u meant it had already recognised it
[11:04] <MeneerE> nope
[11:04] <MeneerE> just plugged it in
[11:05] <TehRealNexGen> sudo apt-get install easycam2
[11:05] <TehRealNexGen> or go to applications => System =>Synaptic package manager and search for it
[11:07] <TehRealNexGen> did it work?
[11:08] <TehRealNexGen> ok i also forgot to mention something else...
[11:09] <TheSheep> MeneerE: you don't have to reboot
[11:10] <MeneerE> where _is_ easycam2 in xubuntu?
[11:10] <TehRealNexGen> in synaptic package manager goto Settings => Repositories => Add
[11:10] <TehRealNexGen> deb http://blognux.free.fr/debian unstable main
[11:11] <TehRealNexGen> that line add it in as a source
[11:11] <TehRealNexGen> of software
[11:12] <MeneerE> i will experiment when i have time
[11:12] <TehRealNexGen> its sounds complicated now
[11:13] <TehRealNexGen> but when you really get into its a much better way of doing things then windows
[12:19] <cheeseboy> hi
[12:19] <TheSheep> hi cheeseboy
[12:19] <cheeseboy> my other pc gets glined because it has a fizzerbot
[12:19] <cheeseboy> how i get rid of it?
[12:22] <cheeseboy> ??
[12:23] <TheSheep> cheeseboy: I think that this sort of administrative things are best asked at some general freenode support channels