[12:19] <Riddell> crimsun: I've found them to be about equal for problems and good points
[12:20] <gnomefreak> should kubuntu-default-settings override config?
[12:21] <gnomefreak> im fairly sure i had changed the default config before today
[12:21] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, loses the basic idea of *Ubuntu logo I think, but duh, what do I know (;
[12:21] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: IIRC should not
[12:21] <gnomefreak> Setting up kubuntu-default-settings (1:7.10-5) ...
[12:21] <gnomefreak> Installing new version of config file /etc/default/kdm.d/20_kubuntu_default_settings ...
[12:22] <gnomefreak> im assuming that is the master config file
[12:23] <Riddell> gnomefreak: it doesn't change kdm if you've already set the kdm theme manually
[12:23] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[12:32] <Riddell> kubuntu.org working for everyone?
[12:33] <nixternal> omg what happened to it?
[12:33] <nixternal> ya, it works
[12:33] <mhb> for me it does
[12:33] <Riddell> groovy
[12:33] <gnomefreak> works here too
[12:38] <ScottK-laptop> Works for me too.
[01:08] <nixternal> RIDDELL!!!!!!!
[01:08] <nixternal> you just flooded akregator! :D
[01:17] <Tm_T> hum
[01:17] <Tm_T> http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/423-Mary-Jo-Foley-embarrasses-herself-once-more....html
[01:23] <nixternal> hahah
[01:23] <jjesse> is that the one where she compares leopard to vista?
[01:23] <Tm_T> nixternal: did you know that your Kmenu looks like... vista!
[01:23] <Tm_T> jjesse: yup
[01:24] <Tm_T> anyway, good night kids ->
[01:24] <jjesse> night Tm_T
[01:24] <nixternal> my kmenu does not look like Vista's!
[01:27] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/MY_KMENU_DOES_NOT_LOOK_LIKE_VISTA.png
[01:33] <nixternal> Riddell: if I dist upgrade to gutsy, should I remove the KDE 3.5.7 stuff and the KOffice 1.6.3 stuff from sources.list first?
[01:38] <Riddell> no
[01:38] <Riddell> well, doesn't matter
[01:40] <nixternal> OK, I think I am just going to dist-upgrade my laptop and get it over with :)
[02:46] <jjesse> man i'm bored tonght
[02:46] <jjesse> i have stuff to do but i don't want to do anything
[03:09] <nixternal> and now we are running Gutsy!
[03:10] <nixternal> I must say, kwhatever it is called that does the volume popup is much nicer
[03:10] <nixternal> however, my volume is a 0, the speakers are still blasted
[03:10] <jjesse> yay
[03:10] <jjesse> on your laptop or in avm?
[03:13] <nixternal> laptop
[03:13] <nixternal> sound is severly broken
[03:13] <nixternal> argh!!!
[03:13] <jjesse> hmmm i think i broke my gutsy vm :(
[03:13] <nixternal> mute doesn't even work
[03:14] <nixternal> so that means I can't use my damn computer in school now
[03:14] <nixternal> they will know what I am doing
[03:14] <jjesse> thats a bummer
[03:14] <nixternal> and it is super loud
[03:14] <jjesse> discovery channel has some dinosaur thingy on
[03:15] <nixternal> AHHH!
[03:15] <nixternal> gotta crank the PCM down to about 1
[03:19] <jjesse> sorry locked computer up
[03:19] <jjesse> did you fixe your sound
[03:20] <nixternal> nope
[03:21] <xerosis_> nixternal: have you tried changing your master channel?
[03:22] <xerosis_> gutsy is the first release that muting has worked for me...
[03:22] <nixternal> how? I have the Intel sound, not much you can do
[03:22] <nixternal> Gutsy is the only release that "muting" hasn't worked for me :)
[03:26] <jjesse> hmm i tend to be locking up my laptop
[03:28] <nixternal> no locking up here, but screamin' speakers for me
[03:31] <jjesse> my wife just called and said "so how attached are you to the location of the funiture in the study"
[03:31] <jjesse> in other words, "i hope you don't mind but i moved all the funiture"
[03:31] <nixternal> haha, you should have said "very"
[03:31] <nixternal> now you have to get to work!
[03:31] <jjesse> i am working, i'm in columbus ohio
[03:31] <jjesse> she's at home
[03:31] <nixternal> ahhh
[03:32] <nixternal> ya, that means your computer is now in the garage
[03:32] <jjesse> probally
[03:39] <nixternal> kwwii's buddy viper is online ;)
[03:39] <nixternal> imbrandon: he is your buddy too right? :)
[04:05] <Riddell> manchicken: looks like people like system settings for main http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.core
[04:05] <jjesse> Riddell: isn't it past your bedtime :)
[04:05] <Riddell> aye, well, I was finishing watching 24
[04:06] <jjesse> system settigns needs a document
[04:06] <jjesse> nixternal: aren't you working on that?
[04:06] <Riddell> hmm, it would need to link to the individual modules
[04:07] <jjesse> right now if you go to help -> system settings you get "there is no documentation available for /systemsettings/index.html
[04:11] <Riddell> yes, but any document should really be just a bunch of links to modules documents
[04:11] <jjesse> nixternal: read scroll on system settings discussion
[07:32] <Hobbsee> hi all
[07:32] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[07:32] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:33] <Hobbsee> want to visit me at work tonight?
[07:33] <Jucato> hehe :)
[07:33] <Hobbsee> good :)
[07:33] <stdin> howde Hobbsee :)
[07:34] <Hobbsee> heya stdin
[07:34] <stdin> I just got in to the konversation svn :)
[07:34] <Jucato> Hobbsee: how come?
[07:36] <Hobbsee> Jucato: because 2 people who are supposed to come in arent - the one who was originally supposted to be there, and then her replacement
[07:36] <Jucato> lol
[07:36] <Hobbsee> which means i'll be stuck in one place the entire night, yet have to do a whole lot of things that requires me *not* being in that place.
[07:36] <Jucato> that's... um...
[07:36] <Hobbsee> and it's a friday night, so we'll probably get theives and such
[07:36] <Jucato> O.o
[07:36] <Hobbsee> yeah.  tha'ts special :)
[07:37] <Jucato> hopefully not...
[07:37] <Hobbsee> or pretend ones.  suspicious people and such
[07:37] <Hobbsee> idiot schoolkids and teh like
[07:37] <Jucato> get your long pointy stick ready.... presuming you have one IRL
[07:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:41] <Jucato> hm... kss will be needing *a lot* of work if it is to replace kcontrol in kde4...
[07:49] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah...i really dont want to have $5K of stock that i'm dealing with, out on the floor, on my own...
[07:50] <Hobbsee> maybe only $3K.
[07:50] <Hobbsee> all in little boxes, etc, so really easy to pick up and steal
[07:50] <Jucato> eek.... :(
[07:50] <Hobbsee> ie, if it got stolen
[07:51] <Hobbsee> i dont think so, as they're violating the safe work agreement stuff by not having another person on, who can actually stay on the kiosk and such.
[07:51] <Jucato> well, if it got stolen, I doubt it. but if it just went suddenly missing...
[07:51] <Hobbsee> i was meaning missing as in stolen.  but yeah
[08:30] <nixternal> anyone know what happened with dbus-launch?
[09:47] <Tonio_> yo
[09:56] <novato_br> hi
[09:56] <novato_br> How can I get KNetStats source code?
[09:58] <stdin> novato_br: apt-get source knetstats
[09:58] <stdin> no sudo needed
[09:59] <novato_br> stdin, is it possible code  attach  from knetstats to gnome ?
[10:00] <stdin> novato_br: umm, it depends on kdelibs, so probably not, tho you can run it on gnome
[10:01] <stdin> (as long as you have the libs installed)
[10:01] <novato_br> no, i only wanna not to run
[10:01] <novato_br> i wanna use the code on new program to gnome
[10:02] <novato_br> the knetstats is perfect, because it has a lot function that I want
[10:02] <stdin> it would require a compleat rewrite, so I doubt it
[10:03] <novato_br> so so
[10:03] <stdin> it uses kdelibs4c2a and kicker, so it's not so portable
[10:03] <novato_br> on linux can I make software by handle like windows ( api ) ?
[10:04] <stdin> there is the X11 api, that works on all desktop environments with X
[10:04] <novato_br> cool
[10:05] <novato_br> ok
[10:05] <novato_br> thx, stdin
[10:05] <stdin> np :)
[10:05] <Tonio_> I'm attempting to package networkmanager 0.6.5
[10:05] <novato_br> do you make packs?
[10:07] <stdin> not normally, or at least not for public release
[10:10] <novato_br> yep, Tonio_ i want to make a network status
[10:11] <novato_br> i have a network status program, but it doesn't show me everthing that I want know
[10:17] <novato_br> hi, dudes
[10:18] <novato_br> do you need know about hardware to compile the kernel ?
[10:20] <stdin> not really, tho it helps
[10:20] <hunger> novato_br: It helps. But usually I only compile kernels for embedded hardware nowadays.
[10:21] <stdin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild <- for help
[10:21] <novato_br> sorry, i didn't understand about "embedded"
[10:21] <hunger> novato_br: Desktop systems are usually well supported out of the box.
[10:24] <novato_br> ok
[10:24] <novato_br> hunger, I have a friend that he got one problem
[10:25] <novato_br> he wants to compile on kernel and he doesn't how to know one memory reader card
[10:25] <hunger> novato_br: Write a bugreport... tends to get fixed faster that way than with me mucking around the kernel config:-)
[10:26] <novato_br> ok
[10:41] <Tonio_> hey Riddell :)
[10:41] <Riddell> rebonjour
[10:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I attempt to package network-manager 0.6.5 to test the new knm comming along
[10:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: might take a bit of time as there are lots of gnome/ubuntu patches
[11:07] <Riddell> yes, make sure you run that by keybuk too
[11:07] <Riddell> but he does seem to have abandoned it for now
[11:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: well packaging isn't very different, except the splitted applet
[11:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is a big patch from fabione, which has to eventually be rewritten, has the interface parser has been completly rewritten
[11:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll ping him once the packages are ready
[11:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I looked at d3lphin, very nice
[11:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is that patching dolphin to this will be complicated, lots of the code is rewritten, buildsystem too
[11:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: and renaming the app will create us problems..... I don't know what to do to be honnest....
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd say drop dolphin from the repos and package d3lphin is easier, waiting for kde4 to come along
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: your opinon ?
[11:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'd say package d3lphin as dolphin
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: but don't rename the application right ?
[11:39] <Tonio_> dolphin upstream doesn't want to have d3lphin feedback in fact, that's why the new maintainer renamed it
[11:40] <Riddell> d3lphin is an evil name
[11:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: true....
[11:40] <Tonio_> okay so let's package, rename and document the naming change in the man
[11:41] <Riddell> and debian/control
[11:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: once again we have the trash in the system applet... ;)
[11:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have to remove is with every kde update hehe
[11:42] <Riddell> ?
[11:42] <Riddell> overlapping?
[11:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: /usr/share/apps/systemview/trash.desktop
[11:42] <Tonio_> we shouldn't install that one, it is documented in kubuntu_debian_changes
[11:43] <Tonio_> debian does is that's something we change in kubuntu forever
[11:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about dolphin, it would be nice to change the componentchooser in kcontrol/systemsettings, to allow an easy change from dolphin to konqueror
[11:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: who can do that ? :)
[11:45] <Riddell> anyone you ask nicely?
[11:49] <sebas> I've talked to the d3lphin dude at Linuxtag
[11:49] <sebas> He says he did d3lphin because dolphin for kde3 was a closed case
[11:49] <sebas> No fight that went on there (just a bit of a strange development process)
[11:59] <Riddell> the question is how upset the dolphin author would be if we put d3lphin in the dolphin package
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's my problem ;)
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's an ethic issue, not a technical one..... I already have a dolphin 0.9 package, but I'm a bit affraid uploding this :)
[12:16] <Riddell> can i see it?
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure, just a minute
[12:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: I can make a sync request while it's still in Debian NEW?
[12:37] <ryanakca> someone in -motu said I'd have to wait...
[12:38] <Riddell> ryanakca: if there's an apt-get source you can
[12:38] <Riddell> just make sure to include it in the request
[12:38] <Tonio_> fdoving: kio-umountwrapper accepted for universe
[12:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: what was the problem with postinst scipt?
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: uploading dolphin on my webserver
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: syntax error to remove the diverts
[12:39] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: s/pakcage/package
[12:39] <Tonio_> I missed that when I reviewed it
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp
[12:55] <mhb> Riddell: is the kwwii's website design final? Also, the question of content comes up - is it going to be a page about kubuntu news (uninteresting for newcomers) or rather an introduction page (more about kubuntu, outlining key features and such) ?
[12:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's the same thing
[12:56] <Riddell> mhb: nope, although I happen to like it
[12:56] <Riddell> mhb: more the latter
[12:56] <mhb> Riddell: I hoped so
[12:57] <mhb> Riddell: thanks
[12:57] <Riddell> mhb: of course SoC remains your priotiry :)
[12:58] <mhb> Riddell: yeah, I can't do much with it... just wondered. I also wonder if we're still able to get Flavio on it
[12:59] <mhb> Riddell: not sure whether he is disappointed about being left out of the design part or he just wanted his own design to win
[12:59] <Riddell> I don't remember his design
[01:00] <mhb> he posted a link in his last mail, very mozill-ish
[01:01] <Riddell> oh yes
[01:01] <mhb> therefore not very useful to us
[01:01] <Riddell> didn't appeal to me
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: the same thing ????
[01:02] <Tonio_> kc = ck ?
[01:07] <Riddell> ok, got it now
[01:07] <Riddell> opens with two bookmark toolsbars on each side, bit daft that
[01:07] <Riddell> but you changed the binary name from d3lphin to dolphin, I wouldn't do that
[01:07] <Riddell> just change the name in the .desktop file
[01:08] <Riddell> and add to the debian/control file that it's the d3lphin fork
[01:09] <Riddell> your source is different from the upstream one
[01:09] <Riddell> where did you get it from?
[01:09] <Riddell> dolphin-0.9/src/dolphin.desktop should besrc/d3lphin.desktop
[01:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I did a complete replacement in all the sources
[01:11] <Riddell> erk
[01:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: was a test, just a test ;)
[01:12] <Riddell> don't do that, just patch the .desktop file and probably the app name in main.cpp
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: so you would just rename the package, and the desktop file ?
[01:12] <Riddell> yeah, no need to change upstream more than superficially
[01:12] <Riddell> hmm, he's gone and removed peter penz from the copyright notice
[01:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll patch that way
[01:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: at the moment I'm packaging network-manager-gnome applet
[01:14] <Tonio_> shame on me :/
[01:17] <Riddell> didn't seb say he'd do that?
[01:17] <Riddell> oh wait, I'm out
[01:17] <Riddell> ciao
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: he didn't :)
[01:35] <hunger> Tonio_: Don't waste your time on that 4-toed junk;-)
[01:36] <Tonio_> lol
[01:53] <manchicken_> Goodness JR, those shots you posted are sexy.
[01:54] <manchicken_> What'd you do to get rid of the ugly frames/
[01:56] <manchicken_> I thought it was interesting that he points out the OSX similarities for such a simple program.
[01:56] <manchicken_> Didn't YaST have a similar interface to system settings way back when?  I'm pretty sure it did circa 7 or 8.
[01:58] <manchicken_> The settings:/ argument is thus far the best argument against this that I see so far.
[02:07] <Riddell> manchicken_: the frames were a simple replacement of a line which said set FrameSunken to NoFrame
[02:08] <Riddell> manchicken_: it is based on OS X, the annoying thing is system settings had search before OS X added almost identicle search
[02:08] <Riddell> yast is sufficiently different
[02:08] <Riddell> settings:/ is horrible, that's a daft argument
[02:10] <Tonio_> manchicken_: which shots are you talking about ? ;)
[02:10] <Tonio_> and who complained about systemsettings ?
[02:10] <Riddell> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.core
[02:12] <manchicken_> Nice.
[02:13] <manchicken_> Riddell: I don't know.  settings:/ could possibly be something really good if it didn't categorize hierarchically.
[02:13] <manchicken_> Riddell: YaST is now, but I don't think it was before.  YaST used to be very similar IIRC.
[02:14] <Riddell> settings:/ is an ioslave!  it has to organise hierarchically
[02:14] <Riddell> and there's no reason for configuration to be part of konqueror
[02:17] <manchicken_> Nope.
[02:17] <manchicken_> But there's the argument that we could continuously reuse programs.
[02:17] <manchicken_> I like that idea.
[02:17] <manchicken_> I know it leads to code bloat, but gosh, it is such a nice idea isn't it?
[02:18] <manchicken_> Did we finally upgrade our version of gnash in the repos?
[02:19] <Riddell> it's not code bloat, the ioslave has uses, just not as a user interface
[02:20] <manchicken_> You and your "logic" and your "reason"
[02:20] <manchicken_> heh
[02:20] <manchicken_> I just thought it was neat that there was another IO slave that I didn't know about.
[02:23] <steveire> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development#Setting_up_KDevelop <<< I tried regenerating the ctags database as described in the bottom of this section. I don't think it worked, because the ctags tab remains empty. In the application tab I get this: http://pastebin.com/929550. Is this expected?
[02:27] <manchicken_> Back in a bit.
[02:27] <Riddell> steveire: can't say I've ever used ctags.  #kde4-devel is the place for kde 4 development
[02:27] <steveire> Riddell: OK. That's a quiet channel at the minute. I'll ignore it for now.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:05] <Hobbsee> hiya n8k99!
[03:36] <n8k99> hiya Hobbsee
[03:36] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:37] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:37] <Hobbsee> any conclusion?
[03:38] <n8k99> not really, its my first time looking at that chart
[03:38] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[03:39] <n8k99> just started digging into the forex market a couple months ago
[03:39] <n8k99> still not playing with real money
[03:41] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:41] <Jucato> Hobbsee: how's everything so far? no suspicious-looking characters? (just don't look in the mirror :P)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> au's a weird place
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hm?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: work's over.
[03:41] <Jucato> ah good :)
[03:42] <Hobbsee> didnt see any weird ones
[03:42] <Hobbsee> the new boss stayed around until an hour before close - then i just read the paper :P
[03:42] <n8k99> speaking of suspicious characters- there's one now
[03:42] <Jucato> ah, you probably didn't look in the mirror :)
[03:42] <n8k99> ^^^
[03:42] <manchicken_> I still don't know why people still use MySQL :)
[03:42] <Tm_T> manchicken_: I still don't know why people are what they are (;
[03:46] <Jucato> n8k99: btw. I'm beyond suspicious... >:)
[03:47] <n8k99> ha
[03:50] <manchicken_> Tm_T: That's a harder question than why people use MySQL :)
[03:51] <manchicken_> The simple answer is that they just haven't tried postgresql yet :)
[03:53] <manchicken_> Hmm...
[03:53] <manchicken_> My katapult install doesn't seem to work for amarok and documents and bookmarks.
[03:53] <manchicken_> I take that back, it works for bookmarks, but not amarok and documents.
[03:54] <manchicken_> The documents thing seems to just look in my home directory...
[03:54] <manchicken_> These paths should be configurable...
[03:54] <Tm_T> yup
[03:55] <Tm_T> idea of Katapult is ok but, just don't like the way it works
[03:55] <Tm_T> can't control priorities etc
[03:55] <Tm_T> like, if you have bin and some folder in same name, which one to open?
[03:55] <manchicken_> Damnit Tm_T, why isn't it configurable?
[03:55] <manchicken_> heh
[03:56] <Jucato> manchicken_: is the Amarok catalog enabled?
[03:56] <Tm_T> don't ask me, I don't use it
[03:56] <manchicken_> Jucato: Yeah.
[03:56] <manchicken_> Jucato: The question is does Katapult use a messaging system or API to get data from amarok, or is it looking for files in a path?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> fabo: ping?
[03:57] <manchicken_> I'm guessing that it's just looking for files in a path.
[03:57] <Tm_T> that sounds bad
[03:57] <manchicken_> Why?
[03:57] <Jucato> manchicken_: as for Documents, it only scans the first "level" in $HOME. to be able to go to other folder, you have to type the a bit of the folder name then press /
[03:57] <manchicken_> Jucato: That should be configurable.
[03:57] <Jucato> for amarok, it looks into the Amarok's collection
[03:57] <Jucato> manchicken_: it currently isn't :)
[03:57] <manchicken_> Jucato: You should be able to tell it what folder to use for that catalog.
[03:58] <Jucato> it needs an indexing utility to be able to do that...
[03:59] <Jucato> yeah I know. I don't like the current implementation of the Document catalog either... but what can I do? :)
[03:59] <Tm_T> Jucato: fix it?
[03:59] <Tm_T> ;--P
[03:59] <Jucato> I would if I could :P
[03:59] <manchicken_> Jucato: Does it actually look at the internal amarok format, or does it use an Amarok library to get the collection?
[03:59] <manchicken_> Jucato: Why can't you?
[03:59] <Tonio_> fdoving: apt-get update && apt-cache policy kio-umountwrapper
[03:59] <Tonio_> fdoving:  :)
[03:59] <manchicken_> Jucato: Your fingers or eyes broken? :)
[04:00] <Jucato> manchicken_: my brain is broken :P
[04:00] <Tonio_> pfiou, I'm about ended with n-m 0.6.5
[04:00] <manchicken_> Tonio_: Katapult needs improvement.  When'll you have it done?
[04:00] <Tonio_> manchicken_: improvements ? never ;)
[04:00] <Tonio_> packaging, probaly today ;)
[04:00] <Jucato> Mez is the current maintainer btw
[04:00] <Tonio_> manchicken_: is there a new version available ?
[04:01] <Jucato> !Info katapult
[04:01] <ubotu> katapult: item launcher for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.1.4-0ubuntu5 (feisty), package size 326 kB, installed size 2956 kB
[04:01] <Jucato> Tonio_: 0.3.2 never made it into feisty it seems
[04:01] <Tonio_> Jucato: okay I'll upgrade the package just after I'm done with n-m
[04:02] <Jucato> manchicken_: as for your amarok question, I don't know... I haven't taken a look at the source code or asked Mez about it
[04:02] <Tonio_> Jucato: but n-m is a big job and is the priority btw ;)
[04:02] <Tonio_> mhb: ping ?
[04:02] <Jucato> Tonio_: take your time :)
[04:04] <Tonio_> mhb: I wanted to make a point on kdesudo, what's done, what needs to be done, so that we can schedule this to be ready for feisty
[04:04] <Tonio_> mhb: please ping me when arround
[04:05] <Jucato> manchicken_: btw, is amarok running when you tried to use the amarok catalog? (just checking)
[04:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal: we tend to not use debian/patches/03_libtool_update.diff - so run autohell, etc, ourselves.
[04:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you'd have to ask fabo for the specifics on kftpgrabber
[04:06] <manchicken_> Jucato: Yes.
[04:07] <Jucato> manchicken_: ah ok..hm... it seems that the amarok catalog uses dcop to query amarok :)
[04:07] <Jucato> just not sure... I got lost in a sea of nested if...else's :D
[04:08] <manchicken_> Jucato: Okay, what the hell are you talking about your brain being broke?
[04:08] <manchicken_> Riddell: Jucato has been holding out on us.
[04:08] <Jucato> manchicken_: lol. I barely know C++ or any programming language for that matter :)
[04:08] <Jucato> hence I can't help w/ any technically oriented stuff just yet
[04:08] <manchicken_> Jucato: Nonsense.  You just read some, didn't you?
[04:08] <Jucato> yeah.. and got lost :)
[04:09] <Tm_T> meh
[04:09] <Jucato> I'm not completely ignorant, though... but I don't think I can handle big stuff just yet :)
[04:09] <Jucato> Tm_T: you just reminded me of my neighbor's goat...
[04:10] <manchicken_> Jucato: That's normal.
[04:10] <manchicken_> Getting lost is normal.
[04:10] <manchicken_> Especially if you're not familiar with the codebase.
[04:10] <Jucato> :)
[04:10] <manchicken_> I'll be very lost when I first peek at a new codebase.
[04:11] <Tm_T> Jucato: that's me allright
[04:11] <Jucato> Tm_T: just don't ask where the goat is now :/
[04:12] <Tm_T> well, you already ate it some days ago, so I expect what's left of it is somewhere in local water circulation
[04:13] <Jucato> lol not me :)
[04:13] <Tm_T> but close?
[04:13] <Jucato> well, it was my neighbor :)
[04:13] <Jucato> but I didn't eat... we're not "close"
[04:14] <Tm_T> didn't mean that, more like, I didn't guess totally wrong
[04:14] <n8k99> ooH, did you get to install xubuntu on its skeleton?
[04:15] <Jucato> O.o
[04:16] <Tm_T> be afraid!
[04:17] <Jucato> manchicken_: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/extragear/kde3/utils/katapult/plugins/catalogs/amarokcatalog/amarokcatalog.cpp?view=markup
[04:17] <Tm_T> n8k99: thanks <3
[04:17] <Jucato> take a look at what I got lost in :(
[04:17] <n8k99> hehe
[04:20] <manchicken_> Tonio_: I've got a cultural question for you if you havea moment.
[04:21] <Jucato> I lost count of how many levels of if's there were :)
[04:21] <manchicken_> Ugh...
[04:22] <Tonio_> manchicken_: please ask ;)
[04:22] <manchicken_> Jucato: Well I found the problem.
[04:22] <Jucato> manchicken_: wow!!! :/
[04:22] <manchicken_> The idiots are using double quotes in their SQL.
[04:23] <manchicken_> As soon as I saw they were hitting up SQL directly, I checked my postgres logs.
[04:23] <manchicken_> I need to file that as a bug.
[04:23] <manchicken_> And what a bug that is.
[04:23] <Tm_T> manchicken_: humm, wait
[04:23] <manchicken_> Tonio_: http://lnwolffeugene.blogspirit.com/images/medium_colere_agricole.jpg
[04:23] <manchicken_> Tonio_: What is the ESB?
[04:23] <Tm_T> apachelogger: WHEEAAA
[04:24] <n8k99> manchicken_: on line 67?
[04:24] <n8k99> or the big query on 83?
[04:24] <n8k99> nvrmnd
[04:24] <manchicken_> It's getting a little lost in the translation.  Something about comparing paying farmers (or ESB) to making suppository researchers pay the assholes in the government or something.
[04:25] <manchicken_> n8k99: ALL double-quotes are non-standard in SQL.
[04:25] <manchicken_> Except in object names.
[04:25] <manchicken_> For string literals in SQL you use single-quotes.
[04:25] <manchicken_> That's SQL92
[04:25] <n8k99> i noticed that all the querys had doublequotes
[04:25] <xerosis_> manchicken_: ESB == BSE i think
[04:26] <n8k99> was not aware of SQL's single quote usage rule
[04:26] <n8k99> thanks
[04:26] <xerosis_> as in, mad cow disease
[04:26] <manchicken_> MySQL and SQLite seem to do okay with that, but PostgreSQL doesn't allow that garbage.
[04:26] <manchicken_> xerosis_: Ah.
[04:27] <n8k99> so for all teh sqlQuery calls the strings need to be changed to single quotes?
[04:27] <manchicken_> xerosis_: I found that image a very interesting political criticism... I just wasn't quite sure who it was criticizing.
[04:27] <manchicken_> n8k99: Yessir.
[04:27] <n8k99> i'll gladly do that for you
[04:27] <manchicken_> MySQL and SQLite will both work with single-quotes (as they should) and there's no need for nasty if statements for that one.
[04:28] <manchicken_> n8k99: If you could, that would make me a very happy chicken.
[04:28] <xerosis_> my knowledge of french agriculture is small ^_^
[04:28] <Tonio_> manchicken_: it is Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease
[04:28] <manchicken_> n8k99: Would you also make the documents search allow me to specify which directory is my documents directory?
[04:29] <n8k99> um, maybe beyond my lack of true skills
[04:30] <Jucato> manchicken_: hm... it should follow the KDE Paths setting, shouldn't it?
[04:30] <fabo> Hobbsee: pong
[04:31] <manchicken_> Jucato: You'd think.
[04:31] <manchicken_> I set my document path to ~/Documents
[04:31] <manchicken_> n8k99: That's cool :)
[04:31] <Hobbsee> fabo: with kftpgrabber, is there anything from ubuntu left that you want to take, and us sync it?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> fabo: it seems that you're using the libtool update patch, and not relibtoolising/autohelling at build time.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> is that the better way to do this?
[04:32] <fabo> i must check. i can tell you in 1h30.
[04:32] <manchicken_> n8k99: You want me to file a bug on that?
[04:33] <manchicken_> We should probably try to get that into backports.
[04:33] <n8k99> yes?
[04:33] <manchicken_> n8k99: Okay.  I'll file a bug on that now.
[04:33] <n8k99> ;-)
[04:33] <manchicken_> n8k99: That's how it starts :)
[04:33] <Hobbsee> fabo: cool.
[04:33] <Jucato> manchicken_: maybe it should check kdeglobals for the Documents= setting...
[04:34] <manchicken_> Jucato: A dialog in the config would be nice, too.
[04:34] <Jucato> hm.. that would probably be a better way. KDE Default or Custom path...
[04:35] <manchicken_> Yeah.
[04:36] <n8k99> manchicken_: sqlQuery.append() needs single quotes also?
[04:39] <manchicken_> n8k99: Bug #120575
[04:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120575 in katapult "Katapult is utilizing non-standard SQL which results in SQL errors in PostgreSQL and other standards compiant DBMS'." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120575
[04:39] <n8k99> yay
[04:39] <manchicken_> Well for those it should be like this...
[04:40] <manchicken_> sqlQuery.append(QString(" AND (t.title LIKE '\%1\%'").arg(*it));
[04:40] <manchicken_> Replace all of the \" with '
[04:40] <manchicken_> inside the SQL.
[04:41] <manchicken_> That could potentially be a security vulnerability in katapult, too.
[04:41] <manchicken_> Assuming someone you didn't want to got ahold of your katapult instance, you could have an SQL injection vulnerability.
[04:42] <manchicken_> That's a very unlikely situation though.
[04:42] <n8k99> ah- i see, (" stuffity stuff ")
[04:43] <n8k99> so on the sqlQuery.append(QString( " it follows the same way") ) ?
[04:44] <manchicken_> yup
[04:44] <manchicken_> Because in C++, double-quotes enclose string literals.
[04:45] <Lure> Tonio_: should you name gnome package n-m-gnome (as we have n-m-kde package)
[04:45] <manchicken_> But in SQL double-quotes enclose the object names for things like tables and functions and such.
[04:45] <manchicken_> I find that I'm using Quanta+ more and more these days.
[04:46] <manchicken_> fish has to be the best ioslave ever.
[04:46] <n8k99> oh snap- kate just told me she was moving teh file to the websvn?
[04:46] <n8k99> when i clicked the save button!
[04:46] <manchicken_> Nice.
[04:46] <manchicken_> Do you have subversion access for KDE?
[04:47] <n8k99> i have kdesvn installed
[04:47] <manchicken_> I think KDE folks are going to need to be notified.
[04:47] <n8k99> only thought i was annonymous
[04:47] <manchicken_> I thought you were a KDEer :)
[04:47] <manchicken_> Anonymous for checkout.
[04:47] <manchicken_> There's a whole nasty process for getting KDE svn access.
[04:47] <n8k99> yeah - thought so that's why i was surprised
[04:48] <manchicken_> I've got it, but I'm gonna bring this change to the attention of kde-devel... but I think we could package this fix ourselves until upstream catches up.
[04:48] <manchicken_> Use save as so that you don't lose changes, and I'll see what the kde folks say.
[04:48] <n8k99> k
[04:48] <manchicken_> Join #kde-devel if you want to watch the fireworks.
[04:48] <n8k99> in there
[04:49] <manchicken_> n8k99: You should try to build it and test it before we try checking it in.
[04:50] <n8k99> ok
[04:50] <Tonio_> Lure: it is now a different tarball
[04:50] <Tonio_> Lure: the new package provides, conflicts and replaces n-m-gnome
[04:50] <Tonio_> Lure: I think that's the correct way to do it
[04:50] <Lure> Tonio_: I know, just think that package should be named n-m-gnome
[04:50] <Tonio_> Lure: bah, as long as it provides it.....
[04:50] <Lure> Tonio_: not sure if this is possible though
[04:51] <Tonio_> Lure: I prefer to have the package name and tarbal name the same
[04:51] <Lure> Tonio_: but you are probably right
[04:51] <Lure> Tonio_: we have done same for knm
[04:51] <Lure> Tonio_: where is knm 0.2 package? ;-)
[04:51] <n8k99> manchicken_: you got the file i changed?
[04:51] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm working on it now
[04:52] <Tonio_> Lure: lots of work to do with all the patches
[04:52] <manchicken_> n8k99: Where'd you put it?
[04:52] <Tonio_> Lure: n-m, n-m-gnome or knm have lots of patches, it takes time to merge them all, since all the new versions are major ones
[04:52] <Lure> right
[04:52] <n8k99> well, kate said she uploaded to teh address that put in there=
[04:53] <n8k99> but i'm not certain that it actually went through
[04:53] <n8k99> right now it's on my desktop- where would you like me to put it
[04:57] <n8k99> manchicken_: ?
[05:05] <seele> x11 config is in /etc/X11/xorg.config, correct?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:05] <manchicken_> n8k99: I don't think it's possible to put it up there.
[05:05] <manchicken_> n8k99: Try to build katapult with your changes.
[05:05] <Hobbsee> seele: er, .conf - not .config
[05:05] <seele> because the only entry in there is for 1280x768 and i cant configure anything past 1024x768 in the system settings tool
[05:05] <seele> Hobbsee: yeah, typo
[05:05] <n8k99> ok- checking out all of katapult now
[05:05] <manchicken_> Do an anonymous checkout of it, apply your changes, build, and test :)
[05:06] <manchicken_> Riddell, Tonio: I think we should apply this katapult change to feisty-backports...
[05:06] <Jucato> manchicken_: btw, I think katapult is in bzr as well? (not totally familiar with it)
[05:07] <Jucato> hm.. might want to bump the version to 0.3.2... I think that's the latest in SVN...
[05:07] <Jucato> it adds a few more catalogs
[05:07] <manchicken_> Jucato: Dunno.
[05:07] <manchicken_> Fair question though..
[05:08] <Jucato> manchicken_: iirc, katapult was originally in bzr only... it was only later that Mez synced w/ kde svn
[05:08] <manchicken_> My first opinion on that is to get A tested fix.  We can worry about where it came from and where it's going afterwards...
[05:08] <Jucato> :)
[05:08] <Jucato> reasonable :)
[05:18] <xerosis> manchicken_: did you solve your mute troubles?
[05:18] <xerosis> my sound has done the same as yours after a reboot
[05:20] <manchicken_> xerosis: What do you mean?
[05:20] <manchicken_> I've got sound...
[05:21] <xerosis> manchicken_: i thought you couldn't mute and it was really loud?
[05:21] <manchicken_> Naw.
[05:21] <manchicken_> I don't think that was me.
[05:22] <xerosis> hmm, sorry
[05:22] <manchicken_> Not a problem.
[05:23] <xerosis> nixternal: was it you?
[05:23] <nixternal> yup, and no not fixed yet...with crimsun's help last night I got a bug filed
[05:23] <nixternal> he is the man when it comes to anything audio for sure
[05:23] <xerosis> it was all so perfect last night :(
[05:24] <nixternal> hehe
[05:24] <xerosis> have you got the big # so i can subscribe?
[05:25] <xerosis> n8k99: by saving?
[05:25] <nixternal> bug 120515
[05:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120515 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Master volume control doesn't work, PCM only" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120515
[05:25] <xerosis> thanks
[05:25] <n8k99> tried to build katapult with a minor change
[05:25] <manchicken_> n8k99: Yeah, try using command-line if you can.
[05:26] <manchicken_> Do you have build-essentials?
[05:26] <n8k99> yes- um, wait maybe not!
[05:31] <Tonio_> someone fancy testing knetworkmanager 0.2 ?
[05:31] <Tm_T> would be if I had time
[05:32] <Tonio_> Tm_T: hehe, no pb :)
[05:32] <Tm_T> let's see if I survive to my parents with bicycle ->
[05:32] <Tonio_> lol
[05:32] <xerosis> Tonio_: I can if you like
[05:32] <Tonio_> xerosis: do you use gutsy ? that's a requirement :)
[05:32] <xerosis> Tonio_: I do
[05:33] <manchicken_> n8k99: Yeah, software does that to you :)
[05:33] <Tonio_> xerosis: great, lemme upload the deb to my repo
[05:33] <xerosis> sure
[05:33] <n8k99> cant get configure to run!
[05:34] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i'd like to
[05:34] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: wont i need the newer networkmanager though?
[05:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I packaged it too, with nm-applet
[05:34] <Hobbsee> cool
[05:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: seb128 confirmed it worked
[05:34] <Hobbsee> excellent
[05:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hard job....... nobody in ubuntu takes care of n-m
[05:34] <Tonio_> except me :)
[05:34] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[05:34] <Hobbsee> no one wants to touch it
[05:34] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: is knm 2.0 actually out now?
[05:35] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: not yet, I package rc
[05:35] <Hobbsee> ah right
[05:38] <Tonio_> deb http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/ gutsy main
[05:38] <Tonio_> tester required !
[05:38] <Tonio_> just update && dist-upgrade
[05:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: gutsy?
[05:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: fancy testing knm 0.2 ?
[05:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yep, no feisty packages for this
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: the links at the bottom dont work, for seeing what packages are in tehre.
[05:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: doesn't it ?
[05:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok
[05:42] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: nope
[05:42] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: and i'd prefer not to add random repos
[05:42] <Hobbsee> on a system that i do dependancy checks on, etc
[05:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: this is my repo, with only n-m stuff on it :)
[05:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: according to me it should work...
[05:43] <xerosis> Tonio_: installing
[05:44] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: should.  you said that about kaffeine.
[05:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: kaffeine was nice on my repo :)
[05:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the crappy version is the one I uploaded on ubuntu ;)
[05:44] <Hobbsee> yeah, just not the version you uploaded...
[05:44] <Hobbsee> Service '/usr/share/applications/kde/knetworkmanager.desktop' is malformatted.
[05:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: so de facto, my repo is more sane than ubuntu hehe :)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~/Desktop$ knetworkmanager
[05:45] <Hobbsee> The program 'knetworkmanager' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[05:45] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager
[05:45] <Hobbsee> bash: knetworkmanager: command not found
[05:45] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~/Desktop$ apt knetworkmanager
[05:45] <Hobbsee> Reading package lists... Done
[05:45] <Tonio_> interesting....
[05:45] <Hobbsee> Building dependency tree
[05:45] <Hobbsee> Reading state information... Done
[05:45] <Hobbsee> knetworkmanager is already the newest version.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> knetworkmanager set to manual installed.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> that's with your repo in there.
[05:46] <Tonio_> hum, there is no file in /usr/bin.......
[05:46] <Tonio_> I should have looked at the package before hehe :)
[05:46] <Tonio_> fixing this :)
[05:46] <n8k99> manchicken_: there is no make file, tries to run configure, which has an unexpected error
[05:47] <manchicken_> n8k99: Is there a shell script in there?
[05:47] <n8k99> nope
[05:47] <Hobbsee> there.  works.
[05:48] <n8k99> guess i need to write a configure.sh huh?
[05:48] <xerosis> Tonio_: do i need to wait?
[05:48] <Tonio_> xerosis: probably yes..... I just checked that the .deb wasn't size 0
[05:49] <Tonio_> didn't check the content, looks like the binary misses, hard to guess why..... first time I can see that with a cdbs based kde package....
[05:50] <n8k99> what's a configure.in.in
[06:00] <Tonio_> very strange......... I don't understand why the binary isn't built....
[06:04] <Tonio_> okay got it....
[06:05] <Tonio_> nasty, configure claims it cannot compile knetworkmanager, but the build ends without an error :)
[06:09] <Tonio_> the result is that knetworkmanager needs the vpn plugins to build...... that's a bit nasty
[06:15] <Hobbsee> interseitng...
[06:16] <nixternal> Hobbsee: (kftpgrabber) remove the libtool patch, add autoconf to rules, and request merge then is what you are saying?
[06:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i asked fabo, he was going to have a look
[06:17] <nixternal> OK, thanks
[06:17] <nixternal> OK, anything else on the top of the list?
[06:18] <Hobbsee> sure.  find me a lassoo, a cattle prod, and maybe a taser.
[06:18] <Hobbsee> nixternal: for use on customers like http://community.livejournal.com/customers_suck/22094476.html or http://community.livejournal.com/customers_suck/22067011.html
[06:22] <nixternal> hahaha, nice!
[06:22] <Hobbsee> nixternal: very, yes.
[06:22] <nixternal> I can get you the taser, but the other stuff is up to you
[06:22] <Hobbsee> oh well, that'll help
[06:22] <nixternal> I am sure you can get the lassoo and prod in the outback :D
[06:23] <Hobbsee> the guy walked out, and i locked him out.  i did consider not letting him back in :P
[06:23] <nixternal> you know...all my times in Australia, I never got to see the "outback"
[06:23] <nixternal> just Perth and Sydney
[06:23] <Hobbsee> even $other supermarket with more people and more revenue didnt have it.
[06:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:24] <Hobbsee> i'd better make sure i see it before leaving au, i guess.
[06:24] <nixternal> same with south africa
[06:24] <nixternal> been to johannasbug (i killed the spelling I know), but never seen the cool parts
[06:24] <n8k99> isn't Perth the outback?
[06:25] <nixternal> heck no
[06:25] <nixternal> some of the people in the suburbia portions will make you think different though
[06:25] <nixternal> Perth is where we would pull into port in the navy
[06:26] <n8k99> nixternal: were you a squid?
[06:26] <nixternal> yup
[06:26] <n8k99> rating?
[06:26] <nixternal> Gunner's Mate (E7)
[06:26] <n8k99> ET 3383 NEC
[06:26] <nixternal> nice
[06:26] <nixternal> I did a 6 week course at ET school at great mistakes to learn the electronics on the Mk 45 gun mount
[06:26] <n8k99> all glow in the dark like
[06:27] <nixternal> GM eventually turned sub, and that was to much for me...I enjoyed being on Destoyers, but not a sub
[06:27] <Hobbsee> n8k99: a lot of it is
[06:28] <n8k99> Crusier Guided Missles
[06:28] <nixternal> I had a choice of sub duty or get out, I got out and went into the reserves
[06:28] <nixternal> I was on the Phillipine Sea which was a guided missle cruiser
[06:28] <nixternal> haha me too
[06:28] <nixternal> I remember drinking with the monkeys in Gibraltor
[06:28] <n8k99> Hobbsee: so i keep hearing
[06:29] <nixternal> if you put your beer down they would steal it
[06:29] <n8k99> hehe
[06:29] <nixternal> I need to put some of the footage I shot overseas online...there are some super funny moments
[06:29] <n8k99> i got sunburned(3rd degree) in cuba, cause i 'fell asleep' on the swim pad
[06:29] <nixternal> like I was filming a brawl between the US and British Navies, and one of the British sailors knocked me straight out..didn't even see it coming
[06:30] <n8k99> hehe
[06:30] <nixternal> hanging with the Brits was a blast though, we would brawl, then go and drink, and then brawl again, hug and make up, then drink some more
[06:31] <n8k99> ah yes, love from the Empire!
[06:31] <nixternal> Gitmo burnt the hell out of me
[06:31] <nixternal> only place worse than Gitmo for heat and burnage is Yuma, AZ
[06:31] <nixternal> I swear Yuma is the Sun's address
[06:32] <n8k99> i thought Sol was on IPv6
[06:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what a mess, I have to rebuild and fix all the vpn plugins to get knm to build :/
[06:37] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: heh, fair enough
[06:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes but boring :)
[06:37] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:38] <nixternal> Hobbsee: mind taking a look at http://merges.ubuntu.com/k/ksniffer/REPORT  -- I think it can be sync'd seeing as the only documented ubuntu change was a sync to fix md5sum issues..can you double check for me please? and if so I will get it filed
[06:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yep, that's fine.  give me a bug number, and i'll ack.
[06:39] <nixternal> will do
[06:39] <nixternal> thanks
[06:43] <Riddell> ooh ooh, I could sync it
[06:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe.  itchy sync finger hey?
[06:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm jealous :P
[06:44] <Riddell> slightly nervous really, I've no idea if I could destroy the whole archive with a wrong command
[06:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i believe mithrandir's in the same place as you, so he could come and eat you alive if you got it wrong, too....
[06:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hopefully you get it right :P
[06:54] <Riddell> he's in town yes
[06:54] <Riddell> should see him tomorrow
[06:55] <Tonio_> help needed :)
[06:55] <Tonio_> I need to upgrade network-manager-pptp to build knm
[06:55] <Tonio_> I don't find the cvs adress to download it......
[06:55] <Tonio_> it isn't in debian/copyright
[06:55] <Riddell> is it in gnome's CVS?
[06:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think soo
[06:57] <Tonio_> I'm still searching I'm unsure
[06:57] <Tonio_> I'm on that n-m since 8 hours, I'm a bit tired now :)
[06:58] <Hobbsee> 9 days until beta 1...
[07:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: got it, forget that :)
[07:00] <Riddell> where was it?
[07:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/NetworkManager/branches/NETWORKMANAGER_0_6_0_RELEASE/vpn-daemons/pptp/
[07:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: the official Network-Manager website isn't documented on that point, that sucks
[07:03] <Tonio_> even knetworkmanager isn't mentionned......
[07:04] <Riddell> gnome moved to svn eh?
[07:04] <nixternal> Hobbsee: bug 120598
[07:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120598 in ksniffer "Please synce ksniffer (0.3~alpha2-1) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120598
[07:04] <Riddell> about time :)
[07:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: just ack and sync it yourself :)
[07:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal: there.  done
[07:05] <nixternal> wo0t, one more done...next please :)
[07:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not sure if that's good practice
[07:06] <Riddell> at least for NEW it's not good practice to review your own packages
[07:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you're a core dev.
[07:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: your'e not requesting the sync and doing it.  *shrugs*
[07:06] <Riddell> no
[07:06] <Hobbsee> you're checking it over, and doing it.
[07:06] <Hobbsee> NEW is different.
[07:06] <Riddell> so it's probably ok
[07:07] <nixternal> haha, I love how I can spell sync in that report :D
[07:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like they moved, yes :)
[07:19] <manchicken_> n8k99: The configure script is supposed to be made by automake.
[07:19] <n8k99> yeah it keeps not doing it
[07:19] <manchicken_> Try pulling the deb-src package and working with that rather than with version-controlled source.
[07:20] <manchicken_> I'll see if I can find it in launchpad bar
[07:20] <manchicken_> bzr
[07:20] <n8k99> found that i only had automake not 1.9 installed but still not working with with
[07:20] <n8k99> that
[07:20] <n8k99> ok
[07:22] <manchicken_> Tonio_: Where'd you hide katapult in bzr?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ack'd.
[07:23] <nixternal> thank you
[07:23] <Tonio_> manchicken_: I don't neither maintain nore package katapult :)
[07:23] <Tonio_> look at google, you shoul be able to get the information on the website
[07:23] <manchicken_> Tonio_: I thought that packages were version controled?
[07:23] <manchicken_> controlled*
[07:23] <Tonio_> manchicken_: they are :)
[07:23] <manchicken_> Where are they version controlled?
[07:24] <Tonio_> but I'm unsure katapult is on bzr
[07:24] <manchicken_> Okay.
[07:24] <Tonio_> manchicken_: if so you probably have a project page
[07:24] <manchicken_> n8k99: Just do `apt-get source katapult` and work in that :)
[07:24] <manchicken_> We'll force Tonio_ to apply patches :)
[07:25] <Tonio_> https://launchpad.net/katapult
[07:25] <Tonio_> manchicken_: you might get access if tou wanna code on this :)
[07:25] <Riddell> katapult has about three different archives
[07:25] <manchicken_> Tonio_: We found bad SQL being generated in Katapult, and n8k99 has a fix for it.  You think we could get that in feisty-backports?
[07:25] <Riddell> manchicken_: it belongs in -updates
[07:25] <Riddell> but I doubt it'll get in
[07:25] <manchicken_> Hmm...
[07:26] <manchicken_> That means that folks may have to deal with broken katapult until October.
[07:26] <manchicken_> :(
[07:27] <n8k99> manchicken_: where does pt-get source install to ?
[07:27] <manchicken_> It doesn't.
[07:27] <manchicken_> It downloads the deb-src into $PWD
[07:28] <n8k99> $PWD?
[07:29] <manchicken_> Present working directory.
[07:29] <Hobbsee> type pwd into a console
[07:29] <n8k99> the present working directory
[07:29] <manchicken_> If someone gives you something like "$PWD" and you're not sure what it is, you could just type `echo $PWD` in your terminal to see what the value is :)
[07:30] <n8k99> oh
[07:31] <manchicken_> n8k99: I've made the same fix to my katapult and I'm building and testing it.
[07:31] <manchicken_> I don't want to have to wait for updates, so I'll just maintain my own version until someone fixes it in the repos :)
[07:31] <manchicken_> That'll also give it sufficient testing :)
[07:32] <manchicken_> Because I use katapult quite a lot.
[07:33] <manchicken_> I'd love to use it more :)
[07:34] <n8k99> i
[07:35] <n8k99> i'd like it if it had quick notes- amend to knotes or korganizer
[07:37] <nixternal> speaking of Katapult updates, where has Mez been?
[07:41] <manchicken_> There're more problems than just the single quote.
[07:41] <manchicken_> I'll clean this up a bit.
[07:41] <manchicken_> Then I'll pass around a patch and we can have folks test it on other DBMS'
[07:43] <manchicken_> I don't understand why SQL is so hard for people...
[07:43] <Tonio_> okay the all network-manager thing is done
[07:43] <manchicken_> And I don't understand why MySQL supports this garbage.
[07:43] <Tonio_> will wait today to upload
[07:43] <manchicken_> Tonio_: If I gave you a patch, would you put it into katapult on your repo?
[07:44] <Tonio_> manchicken_: of course
[07:44] <manchicken_> Riddell: See how motivated I am over the most annoying tiny little insignificant bugs?
[07:44] <Tonio_> manchicken_: but probably on monday only
[07:44] <manchicken_> Tonio_: Thanks :)
[07:44] <manchicken_> That's cool.
[07:45] <Tonio_> manchicken_: don't forget I still don't have internet at home.... should be okay in a few days
[07:45] <n8k99> why would i need a makefile.cvs or autogen.sh ?
[07:46] <manchicken_> Tonio_: Really?  I thought they'd fixed that.
[07:46] <manchicken_> n8k99: autogen.sh is what sets up your automake :)
[07:46] <manchicken_> IIRC
[07:47] <n8k99> oh then that's why this is not working
[07:47] <Tonio_> manchicken_: it is just beeing fixed.... it is ust damn f*cking slow.......
[07:48] <manchicken_> Tonio_: You Europeans are MUCH more tolerant of that than I would be.
[07:48] <manchicken_> If I don't have internet at home, I can't earn a paycheck.
[07:49] <Tonio_> manchicken_: I'm not
[07:49] <Tonio_> but it is the same with any provider in france
[07:49] <Tonio_> it is not my isp's fault
[07:49] <Tonio_> the problem is with the french national telecom company
[07:49] <manchicken_> Ah.
[07:50] <manchicken_> Yeah, there'd be hell to pay on that one.
[07:50] <Tonio_> which is national and has a monopolistic position........ nothing can be done except leaving france :)
[07:51] <n8k99> Canada has a monopoly?
[07:52] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: nite :)
[07:52] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:52] <manchicken_> YOU'VE GOTTA BE KIDDING ME!
[07:52] <manchicken_> This is insane.
[07:52] <n8k99> O.o
[07:53] <manchicken_> In order to avoid a conditional to put an extra AND into the query, they're saying "WHERE 1 AND ..."
[07:53] <manchicken_> That's also not legal.
[07:53] <manchicken_> Only boolean operands can be passed to AND.
[07:54] <Tonio_> Riddell, manchicken_: knm ftbfs for a strange reason..... your opinion on that issue ?
[07:54] <manchicken_> That's just silly.
[07:54] <Tonio_>  /usr/include/netlink/netlink-kernel.h:222: error: '__u32' does not name a type
[07:55] <manchicken_> ftbfs?
[07:55] <Tonio_> lots of issues like this one
[07:55] <Tonio_> manchicken_: fails to build from source
[07:55] <manchicken_> Ah.
[07:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a problem with knm
[07:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: your opinion on that build issue ? :
[07:55] <Riddelll> mm hmm?
[07:55] <Tonio_>  /usr/include/netlink/netlink-kernel.h:222: error: '__u32' does not name a type
[07:55] <manchicken_> Tonio_: Sounds like you may just be missing a header on that.
[07:55] <Riddelll> which?
[07:56] <manchicken_> Grep /usr/include for __u32
[07:56] <Tonio_> manchicken_: nothing in the log about missing header
[07:56] <Riddell> a type error.  evil
[07:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: so I guess hard to fix ?
[07:57] <Riddell> http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-networkmanager/2007-May/000101.html
[07:58] <n8k99> manchicken_: you mean LEFT JOIN devices d ON t.deviceid = d.id WHERE 1
[07:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, just found the same post
[07:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll try to workarround with a patch.....
[07:59] <manchicken_> n8k99: Yes.
[07:59] <manchicken_> n8k99: Not legal SQL.
[08:00] <nixternal> hrmm, ksnapshot and the printscreen key binding doesn't seem to be work in gutsy
[08:01] <manchicken_> n8k99: I'll give you this patch and explain my changes when I get it workingn.
[08:02] <manchicken_> working*
[08:02] <n8k99> ok cool-
[08:03] <nixternal> how do you update kdeinit to point to the correct location?
[08:03] <nixternal> in gutsy, katapult points to usr/bin/gimp-2.2 and not 2.3
[08:03] <nixternal> it pops up an error telling me kdeinit is to blame :)
[08:17] <gnomefreak> yeah blame everything on kdeinit :(
[08:18] <Riddell> it may be gimp to blame
[08:19] <manchicken_> nixternal: That fix requires a virgin sacrifice.
[08:19] <Riddell> does it work from the k-menu?
[08:19] <nixternal> figured as much
[08:19] <nixternal> Riddell: yes
[08:19] <nixternal> it will work from katapult if I set the program confiruration to run off of executables
[08:19] <nixternal> I wonder why all of a sudden the Print Screen function key doesn't work anymore
[08:20] <nixternal> it is still being reported the same
[08:24] <manchicken_> I think I may have gotten that SQL right this time.
[08:24] <manchicken_> We're going to need someone who has amarok set up with MySQL and SQLite to test this fix though.
[08:33] <manchicken_> katapult is surprisingly slow to build and install.
[08:33] <manchicken_> 403K looks like.
[08:38] <manchicken_> I am the multi-tasking master.
[08:38] <nixternal> hehe
[08:38] <manchicken_> I'm currently debugging katapult, developing a web application, and analyzing anomalies in my taterbase conversion.
[08:39] <nixternal> what kind of web application?
[08:39] <manchicken_> Although the data analysis thing is more or less just watching Access choke on the 3 gigs of data that I want to pull into a pivot.
[08:39] <manchicken_> We're adding some more social networking stuff to zoomshare.
[08:39] <nixternal> man, I haven't used pivot (charts I assume) since the 90s
[08:40] <manchicken_> yeah
[08:41] <manchicken_> It's good for figuring out why you're missing data.
[08:41] <manchicken_> OOo needs pivot charts.  BADLY
[08:41] <nixternal> ya, we used to use them at Allen Bradley with our HMI panels...nasty vb scripting to import everything and then I think we used Excel for the pivoting, can't remember
[08:41] <nixternal> I miss designing HMIs
[08:42] <nixternal> as a matter of fact, I think we used vba
[08:42] <nixternal> I remember the db team using foxpro for garbage
[08:43] <manchicken_> I think Access supports pivot charts.
[08:43] <nixternal> I used RSLogic, RSView, and Visual C++
[08:43] <manchicken_> I sure hope so.  Most spreadsheet programs still have that 65K limitation.
[08:43] <nixternal> well access supports them with as long as excel is present I thought
[08:43] <Nightrose> Riddell: I changed the things you asked for - maybe you could have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5554 again - thx again for your comment
[08:43] <manchicken_> n8k99: Sorry this is taking so long.  For some reason it takes like 5 minutes to build and another 2 to install every time I want to check my changes.
[08:44] <manchicken_> nixternal: Whopper or Big Mac?
[08:44] <n8k99> `yeah i had huge wait times when i was messing with it
[08:44] <nixternal> whopper
[08:44] <nixternal> but mcd's fries
[08:44] <manchicken_> nixternal: You're good people nixternal.
[08:44] <manchicken_> n8k99: what's your $TZ?
[08:44] <n8k99> EST
[08:45] <manchicken_> Righto
[08:45] <nixternal> speaking of nippers, I have my niece and nephew tonight
[08:45] <n8k99> or GMT +5
[08:45] <manchicken_> See?  You're not so green :)
[08:45] <nixternal> n8k99: you are GMT +4 right now :)
[08:45] <nixternal> us CST people are GMT +5
[08:45] <n8k99> right- the ol EDT
[08:45] <nixternal> until the fall of course
[08:45] <manchicken_> s/GMT/UTC/
[08:46] <n8k99> old log habits
[08:46] <nixternal> if it wasn't for Ubuntu last year and the meetings, I would have never caught that
[08:46] <manchicken_> Right now Central is GMT-6 and EST is GMT-5... because GMT observes DST :)
[08:46] <nixternal> haha
[08:46] <nixternal> GMT and Zulu
[08:46] <n8k99> BZ nixternal
[08:46] <manchicken_> Gotta use the UTC :)
[08:46] <nixternal> man, my whole time in the military, Zulu killed me..thank god all of our log books had the conversions
[08:47] <manchicken_> I've got a fantastic phone with a world clock, and a cheap piece of trash watch that I just set to localtime.
[08:47] <nixternal> the only people who ever got mad at me were the maintenance crews when it came time for PM..the mag sprinks people would yell at me
[08:47] <manchicken_> I think TZ conversions are harder because people still use the 12H clock.
[08:48] <nixternal> I have a nice watch with world clock, and a cheap piece of trash cell phone that I usually ignore
[08:48] <Riddell> only the US still uses 12 hour clocks
[08:48] <nixternal> only cuz of the military though
[08:48] <nixternal> and most people don't understand when I say I work from balls to 8
[08:48] <manchicken_> Naw, there were 12H times written all over in Spain.
[08:49] <manchicken_> Mexico and Canada uses 12H as well.
[08:49] <nixternal> mexico uses a tequila bottle and the sunshine!
[08:49] <nixternal> at least I do every time I go
[08:49] <Riddell> there were?  contintal europe is usually quite civilised in that respect
[08:49] <manchicken_> I use 24H because I'm a geek, and computers like to give you 24H times :)
[08:49] <manchicken_> Riddell: The hotel, a few of the restaurants...
[08:49] <Riddell> Nightrose: 1 last change needed, you need to document that you've removed the .svn directories from the .orig, probably in debian/changelog
[08:49] <nixternal> I use 24h times because I hate writing a.m. and p.m.
[08:49] <manchicken_> And all over the airport.
[08:50] <Riddell> Nightrose: and e-mail upstream asking them not to be included in future
[08:50] <Nightrose> Riddell: ok thx will do that
[08:50] <nixternal> cdbs ftw!
[08:50] <nixternal> haha
[08:51] <nixternal> Fox news used to show the clock in 24H...I see they have since changed it
[08:52] <manchicken_> w00t!  Fixed the katapult issue.
[08:53] <n8k99> you can't be both fair and balanced on 24 hr time
[08:53] <manchicken_> Let me get a diff.
[08:54] <n8k99> be back much later
[08:57] <manchicken_> n8k99: I'll put that patch on the bug report.
[08:59] <manchicken_> Tonio_: The patch for this issue is on bug 120575
[08:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120575 in katapult "Katapult is utilizing non-standard SQL which results in SQL errors in PostgreSQL and other standards compiant DBMS'." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120575
[09:00] <Tonio_> manchicken_: I'm just going to leave the computer
[09:00] <Tonio_> manchicken_: can you send me the bug number by email ?
[09:00] <Tonio_> manchicken_: I'll prepare your package this we
[09:01] <manchicken_> Righto.
[09:01] <manchicken_> tonio@kubuntu?
[09:08] <Nightrose> Riddell: here we go again ;-) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5554  thx
[09:12] <Riddell> Nightrose: great, advocated
[09:12] <Nightrose> Riddell: thx
[09:12] <Riddell> Nightrose: one more advocate needed to upload, poke Tonio_ maybe
[09:12] <Nightrose> ok will do
[09:13] <Nightrose> Tonio_:  ping ;-) - could you have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5554 please?
[09:22] <Tonio_> Nightrose: unfortunately not now....
[09:22] <Tonio_> Nightrose: is that an emergency ?
[09:23] <Tonio_> Nightrose: can you ping me on monday ?
[09:23] <Tonio_> Nightrose: already been accepted....... okay I'll revu, then :)
[09:23] <Nightrose> Tonio_:  no problem - will ping you on monday if noone else reviewed it by then
[09:23] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I know how frustrating it is to wait for the latest
[09:23] <Tonio_> let's go !
[09:24] <Nightrose> hehe yea I know you all have enough to do already
[09:25] <Tonio_> Nightrose: nice
[09:25] <Tonio_> Nightrose: please, create a little patch for the .Desktop file, including GenericName
[09:25] <Tonio_> Nightrose: that's important for nice integration to the kmenu
[09:26] <Nightrose> Tonio_: ok will need to find out how to do that
[09:26] <Tonio_> Nightrose: would be nice to patch the Categories too
[09:26] <Tonio_> "Qt, KDE, Utilities" would be nice for example
[09:28] <Nightrose> Tonio_: ok will do that soon - thx
[09:28] <Tonio_> Nightrose: no pb ;) you have the comments on the page
[09:28] <manchicken_> Tonio_: You want me to send the link to tonio@kubuntu?
[09:28] <Tonio_> manchicken_: tonio@ubuntu.com
[09:29] <manchicken_> Okie dokie.
[09:40] <nixternal> Lure: special key (hotkey) question for you: has there been any major changes in gutsy with special keys? My print screen function key doesn't seem to open KSnapshot anymore, however it is still bound correctly..not sure how to go about fixing it
[09:40] <Lure> nixternal: not really
[09:40] <nixternal> hrmm...wonder why the upgrade to gutsy stopped it from working
[09:42] <Lure> do you still have feisty around to compare xev output (you can try with live cd)
[09:42] <nixternal> ya, it is the same
[09:42] <nixternal> maybe the issue is with ksnapshot I am thinking
[09:43] <nixternal> I documented my laptop on your page months back, and verified it is still all the same
[09:45] <Riddell> nixternal: more likely with khotkeys
[09:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: new kdebluetooth and kmobiletools out I see
[09:46] <fabo> Riddell: any other change except dropping libextractor in strigiapplet ?
[09:46] <Riddell> fabo: that's all I've done in strigi applet.  jos has a patch for ppc I believe
[09:46] <fabo> jos resolved the issue on PPC for strigi
[09:46] <Riddell> :)
[09:47] <fabo> ok, got it. clucene update will be uploaded in a couple of minutes :)
[09:53] <mhb> Tonio_: pong
[09:57] <Tonio_> mhb: just wanted to discuss about kdesudo, but it's maybe too late for this :)
[09:57] <Tonio_> mhb: can we make a point monday ?
[10:00] <mhb> Tonio_: not too late for me
[10:00] <Tonio_> mhb: e don't have that much time if we want it for gutsy....
[10:00] <Tonio_> mhb: begining of the afternoon ?
[10:00] <mhb> Tonio_: but if it is too late for you, then monday
[10:00] <Tonio_> mhb: yeah too late for me, I have to go back home, were I don't have access to internet
[10:01] <mhb> Tonio_: ah, okay
[10:01] <mhb> Tonio_: monday's not that good, because I will be on the road
[10:01] <Tonio_> hum, when then ?
[10:01] <mhb> Tonio_: any other workday should be fine
[10:01] <Tonio_> tuesday ?
[10:01] <mhb> okay
[10:01] <Tonio_> or wednesday.... okay let's ping each other then ;)
[10:02] <mhb> okay
[10:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: knm is okay if you wanna test :)
[10:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have to disconnect, so if you can ask people to test this we if you're there, that would be nice :)
[10:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: deb http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/ feisty main
[10:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/repo/dists/gutsy/main/binary-i386/
[10:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks by advance :)
[10:06] <Tonio_> wow the improvements on knm are really impressive :) hehe :)
[10:07] <nixternal> Tonio_: are these packages for gutsy?
[10:08] <Tonio_> nixternal: yes
[10:08] <Tonio_> nixternal: shouldn't be hard to backport on feisty
[10:08] <nixternal> hehe, zless the packages tells me that :)
[10:08] <Tonio_> nixternal: n-m is quite complicated, I didn't have time to package everything twice
[10:08] <Tonio_> nixternal: but we shoule now consider a backport :)
[10:09] <Tonio_> unofficial of course :)
[10:10] <nixternal> sure are a lot of packages
[10:13] <nixternal> hrmm, that knetworkmanager doesn't show an icon in the task bar
[10:13] <nixternal> err, kicker
[10:15] <nixternal> hrmm
[10:21] <Riddell> works fine for me
[10:21] <Riddell> infact my signal has gone up to three bars, so that's a good thing :)
[10:22] <Riddell> I'm not at all convinced by the new UI, if you don't know about right click you can't do anything
[10:25] <nixternal> hrmm, seems the dist-upgrade to gutsy also wiped out ndiswrapper