[02:37] <jjesse> anyone else getting time out errors on launchpad tonight?
[02:38] <carlos> jjesse: it seems to be working ok for me...
[02:39] <jjesse> hmm it happens when i try to visit a bookmarked page that is a query of bugs
[02:44] <carlos> jjesse: I guess that concrete query is being slow...
[02:45] <carlos> if it happens all time, please, file a bug with the URL so we could try to improve its performance
[02:45] <carlos> good night!
[02:46] <jjesse> thanks carlos
[07:26] <ubotu> New bug: #120501 in launchpad-bazaar "Can register team junk branches on web UI" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120501
[09:23] <carlos> morning
[10:01] <thisfred> hi, quick question about the translations in launchpad. I know I've asked this before, but is there *any* way of getting feedback when uploading translation templates? Right now it's upload and pray, or walk through the entire queue and see either 'Needs Review' or 'Failed' but not the reason why. It would be very valuable to get email updates of what happens, and more importantly, why ;)
[10:03] <thisfred> maybe I just don't understand and I'm using the tools in the wrong way, but since our code isn't in bazar, the only way to update the template to reflect ui changes, seems to be to upload a new .pot, except that takes a very long time to go through, if it does, and since it fails or succeeds silently, I'm never sure what happens.
[10:54] <carlos> thisfred: template uploads should notify you if there is an error
[10:54] <carlos> thisfred: we don't notify success though....
[10:55] <carlos> which we are working on fix
[10:55] <thisfred> carlos, thanks, ok, well, I'll have to look then, I don't remember ever getting a message, and I know some of them failed...
[10:55] <carlos> thisfred: about having slow imports... it shouldn't happen, once the first template is approved
[10:56] <carlos> it should handled automatically and it shouldn't take more than a 2-3  hours (in worse case)
[10:56] <carlos> thisfred: if you see it in FAILED status and you get no email
[10:56] <carlos> please, file a bug
[10:56] <carlos> because we expect that to work (and I have seen it working so it's not just a guess :-P)
[10:57] <thisfred> ok, well then I just may be making a fuss over nothing, in which case I apologize. The lack of feedback in the case of success makes me suspicious, I guess...
[10:57] <thisfred> carlos, ok, I will triple check before I send a bug report, I'll purposely submit a broken template
[10:58] <thisfred> thanks for your help, and I would still love to get messages on success, ;)
[11:02] <carlos> thisfred: don't worry. You can track the status of that bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/88875
[11:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 88875 in rosetta ".pot imports are not notified" [High,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Jeroen T. Vermeulen (jtv)
[11:03] <carlos> thisfred: and it's planned to be fixed by the end of next month
[11:03] <thisfred> carlos, thanks! great news
[11:04] <thisfred> as always, you guys are way ahead of me ;)
[11:05] <carlos> but not enough :-P
[11:05] <thisfred> hehe
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #120545 in rosetta "Use view method for IDs on the +translate page" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120545
[01:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120553 in malone "Changelogs incorrectly close tasks for uploads to the proposed pocket" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120553
[01:42] <beeseek> Hi everybody!
[01:42] <beeseek> Is there an admin that may help me?
[01:44] <beeseek> I am trying to register a project called "beeseek". No other projects have this name, but when I try to register it, LP says "beeseek is already in use by another project"
[01:44] <LarstiQ> beeseek: it is also a person
[01:45] <LarstiQ> which although it should work afaik, sounds like a very bad idea
[01:45] <jelmer> hey LarstiQ 
[01:45] <jelmer> how's debconf?
[01:46] <LarstiQ> jelmer: very good!
[01:46] <jelmer> glad to hear :-)
[01:46] <beeseek> LarstiQ: well, looks like it doesen't work. But why not a good idea?
[01:48] <LarstiQ> beeseek: I'd think it's very confusing, but on second thought, we have /bzr and /~bzr, so that at least works
[01:49] <beeseek> LarstiQ: :-) Anyway, I tried with another identity: same error :-(
[01:49] <LarstiQ> jelmer: Would be good to have you here too, lots of people you should meet :)
[01:49] <LarstiQ> beeseek: other identity? The beeseek user still looks to exist
[01:50] <LarstiQ> beeseek: may I ask what kind of project it is?
[01:50] <beeseek> LarstiQ: No, I mean: I tried to register the project logged in with another userid (warp10 instead of beeseek), but I have the same error :-(
[01:51] <beeseek> LarstiQ: It's about an open source search engine
[01:51] <LarstiQ> beeseek: not what I meant, the user still _exists_, if the problem is what I think it is, you can't register the project as long as the user exists
[01:52] <beeseek> ah, ok... so how can I cancel the user "beeseek"?
[01:52] <LarstiQ> you can rename the user though, to see if that is a workaround
[01:52] <pochu> Maybe change your userid, register the project, and change the userid again ;)
[01:52] <LarstiQ>  beeseek https://launchpad.net/~beeseek/+edit
[01:53] <LarstiQ> pochu: exactly what I was thinking :)
[01:53] <beeseek> LarstiQ: great! I'll try :-) Thank you :-) 
[01:55] <beeseek> LarstiQ: No... doesn't work :-(
[01:57] <LarstiQ> ok, time to go through the list of known bugs
[01:58] <beeseek> LarstiQ: I'm looking for too
[02:00] <beeseek> if I register a project, let'say "Bee_seek". and admin can rename it "Beeseek" later?
[02:02] <LarstiQ> oh, I don't have experience with renaming projects, but I suppose so
[02:04] <beeseek> LarstiQ: I'll try... as an average, how much time I need before and admin can correct it?
[02:05] <beeseek> LarstiQ: ok :-) thank you for you help :-)
[02:05] <LarstiQ> sorry I couldn't be of more help
[02:12] <pochu> beeseek: hmm, were you registering it as Beeseek? It should lowercase...
[02:13] <beeseek> pochu: I know. I were registering beeseek. Anyway, I like beeseek.org as well :-)
[02:30] <cprov> morning
[03:08] <kiko-zzz> good morning!
[03:10] <Hobbsee> morning kiko!
[03:11] <kiko> morning
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120571 in soyuz "Sanitizing exceptions raised in the Builder API" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120571
[04:13] <popey> morning everyone, I have a favour style question:- I am making a little screencast about code hosting on launchpad and need a project to show that has multiple branches? preferably one with bugs or answers against it..
[04:13] <popey> anyone think of a suitable project off the top of their head?
[04:14] <matsubara> bzr maybe?
[04:14] <popey> that might confuse
[04:15] <popey> talking about bzr, and showing the bzr repo in bzr :S
[04:15] <popey> well, it would confuse me :)
[04:15] <beuno> man recursion:  see recursion    :D
[04:15] <kiko> hmmm
[04:15] <popey> indeed
[04:15] <kiko> there are a few actually
[04:16] <kiko> check out the recent branches uploaded
[04:16] <kiko> help wanted:
[04:16] <kiko> can someone reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/blueprint/+bug/109639
[04:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109639 in blueprint "Beta: "retract mentorship" displayed when not a mentor" [High,Needs info]   - Assigned to Jonathan Knowles (jonathanknowles)
[04:17] <popey> aha, found one
[04:17] <popey> wubi
[04:18] <beuno> kiko: I can't reproduce that bug
[04:19] <kiko> neither can I
[04:19] <kiko> popey, wubi!
[04:20] <popey> wubi always makes me think of speech impediments :(
[04:26] <LarstiQ> kiko: did you see beeseeks problems? He wanted to register a beeseek project, but that complained there already was one
[04:27] <matsubara> LarstiQ: AFAIK, tom already deleted the project upon his request.
[04:28] <kiko> yes
[04:36] <LarstiQ> woha, fast operation there
[04:49] <Laibsch> statik: This is Rolf from openembedded.org.  
[04:50] <statik> Laibsch: hi there!
[04:50] <Laibsch> I was wondering if there are any improvements in the pipeline for the search function?
[04:50] <Laibsch> I wrote a mail to mrevell which I believe he forwarded to you just now
[04:50] <mrevell> statik: I've just forward Laibsch's email to you.
[04:50] <statik> Laibsch: oh, haven't seen that yet
[04:50] <Laibsch> of course
[04:51] <Laibsch> it only went your way like 5 seconds ago, it seemed ;-)
[04:54] <statik> Laibsch: I think there is room for improvement here. However, we have some things already. Take a look here for example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bazaar/+bugs?advanced=1
[04:55] <statik> Laibsch: there is also a neat tool called bughelper, which you can install from universe
[04:56] <Laibsch> Yes, looks better.
[04:56] <Laibsch> So, the search function differs from project to project?
[04:56] <statik> Laibsch: I think it shows you the appropriate milestones, etc for a particular project
[04:57] <Laibsch> Are you going to support other backends than bazaar?
[04:58] <Laibsch> It would certainly be a very strong argument if the bug tracker and monotone were integrated
[04:58] <statik> Laibsch: I don't think we will be integrating nearly as tightly with monotone as we do with bazaar
[04:59] <statik> we still have plenty of work to do with bazaar integration to make it rock
[04:59] <statik> Laibsch: however, if you have ideas for specific things you want to integrate, we have some hooks which would make some level of integration possible
[04:59] <statik> for example, XMLRPC api for bugs, and email based interface for controlling the bug system
[05:00] <Laibsch> sure, I guess bazaar is where the focus is going to be 
[05:00] <Laibsch> and that is OK
[05:00] <Laibsch> Focus is important
[05:00] <jwendell> Hi, folks
[05:01] <jwendell> isn't there a bug tracker for bugs.php.net ?
[05:01] <statik> Laibsch: right. but we also want to expose hooks so if you want to integrate yourself then you can
[05:02] <Laibsch> statik: Well, for example, if there was a message "Committed in 123418972364817263897161gfdgjs1823764" this would become an URL that displays a monotone diff of the change that commit made
[05:02] <Laibsch> And I guess other ideas can be stolen from the bazaar integration ;-)
[05:02] <jwendell> matsubara, ?
[05:03] <matsubara> jwendell: hello!
[05:03] <jwendell> hello!
[05:04] <jwendell> matsubara, how can bugs.php.net get in launchpad bug trackers?
[05:04] <Laibsch> statik: Anywhere I can read about this integration between bazaar and launchpad?  I have never used bazaar.
[05:05] <matsubara> jwendell: what kind of bug tracker is that? (Seems to be some custom one)
[05:05] <jwendell> matsubara, yeah, indeed
[05:05] <statik> Laibsch: it is still a work in progress, not sure that we have an overview yet, but I can look
[05:05] <jwendell> i don't know
[05:05] <statik> Laibsch: two examples are the 'bzr commit --fixes" option, where you can specify that a particular revision fixes a bug
[05:06] <statik> Laibsch: and also the bazaar codehosting and codebrowsing support. So you can push your bazaar branches to launchpad, and then browse them online
[05:07] <matsubara> jwendell: you can file a bug requesting that we add support for it. similar to bug 45386
[05:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 45386 in malone "Add GNU savannah to the remote bug watches" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45386
[05:07] <jwendell> matsubara, thanks
[05:08] <statik> matsubara: the php.net bug tracker is a custom one, other place that uses this bug tracker is bugs.mysql.com
[05:08] <matsubara> statik: thanks. it'd be pretty useful then to have that type of bug tracker supported in Launchpad.
[05:09] <matsubara> which brings me to bug 74449 :-)
[05:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 74449 in malone "Add support for MySql's bugtracker." [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74449
[05:09] <statik> matsubara: I can introduce you to one of the authors if there are any questions during implementation
[05:09] <matsubara> jwendell: so, there's no need to file that bug, it's already reported.
[05:09] <jwendell> matsubara, yeah
[05:10] <matsubara> statik: thanks for the offer. I'll add that to the bug report. the LP Bugs guys will like to know that :-)
[05:11] <statik> Laibsch: here is an overview of the current bazaar integration with launchpad https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/BazaarHosting
[05:11] <statik> it's worth reading through
[05:11] <Laibsch> statik: thank you
[05:11] <Laibsch> I was reading up on bazaar on the bazaar site
[05:11] <matsubara> lunch time!
[05:11] <Laibsch> It seems to be very interesting
[05:11] <Laibsch> I wonder how it compares to monotone
[05:12] <Laibsch> Or if there is a monotone-bazaar gateway
[05:12] <statik> Laibsch: if there is some particular feature in monotone that openembedded finds essential, it would be interesting to discuss it in #bzr. I understand that changing revision control systems is not something to do lightly, but we are really proud of bazaar and think it is the best choice
[05:13] <statik> Laibsch: we have an SVN import service, but don't import monotone currently. I have heard there is a tool called tailor that could be useful for moving between distributed RCS, but have not used it myself
[05:16] <ubotu> New bug: #120580 in soyuz "New test required for process-upload --no-mails option" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120580
[05:17] <Laibsch> statik: From what I read bazaar is powerful
[05:17] <Laibsch> The thing is also about path dependency, I believe
[05:18] <Laibsch> Once you have committed yourself to something you don't change lightly 
[05:18] <Laibsch> I think we don't have a real problem with monotone
[05:18] <statik> I completely agree, it's very disruptive to change
[05:18] <kiko> well
[05:18] <kiko> rumors of disruption have been greatly exaggerated
[05:18] <kiko> in particular when you're already using a DVCS
[05:24] <Laibsch> kiko: from the technical side?  Might be.
[05:24] <Laibsch> But you need to consider the users
[05:24] <Laibsch> And there is always a risk to changing
[05:24] <Laibsch> So, usually you don't change unless you have good reason to do so
[05:25] <kiko> I don't think the tools are significantly different to use, tbh
[05:25] <kiko> the primitives and operations are very similar
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120582 in blueprint "Register a Blueprint button should appear on /~team-name" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120582
[05:26] <Laibsch> kiko: Do you think bazaar and monotone could be synched easily?
[05:26] <Laibsch> not just once but regularly?
[05:27] <kiko> sounds like it could be done as a commit hook
[05:27] <kiko> but I'm not too sure
[05:27] <statik> wow, 'mtn db init --db=blah; mtn --db=blah pull monotone.openembedded.org "org.openembedded.{dev,oz354x,dreambox}"; mtn --db=blah co --branch=org.openembedded.dev'
[05:28] <statik> that is a heck of a lot more complicated than 'bzr branch lp:openembedded'
[05:29] <statik> pull, update, commit look similar
[05:29] <flacoste> kiko: is salgado on holiday today?
[05:29] <statik> 'mtn  --db=OE.mtn --branch=org.openembedded.<branchname> disapprove 5c1a5813e0f66a0d10515ba6fecafbebfe679c7f' looks a lot worse than 'bzr revert'
[05:29] <statik> Laibsch: but you get the idea that there is a lot of possibilities here
[05:30] <kiko> flacoste, no. he's just late.
[05:30] <flacoste> thx!
[05:30] <kiko> (and that's partially my fault)
[05:32] <Laibsch> statik: That is because you are unfamiliar with monotone ;-)
[05:32] <Laibsch> For me is is just "mtn pull;mtn up;mtn push;mtn merge" depending on what I want to do.
[05:33] <Laibsch> We are having a bit of discussion about SCM in #oe right now as well
[05:34] <Laibsch> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23oe/2007/June/20070615_oe.log has captured it if you are interested
[05:34] <statik> Laibsch: cool, I'll try to take a look a bit later on
[05:34] <Laibsch> Sure
[05:34] <Laibsch> Gotta know the competition ;-)
[05:35] <Laibsch> Nothing like taking it straight from the horses' mouth ;-)
[05:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120584 in launchpad-buildd "Slave should return the real buildduration value" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120584
[05:58] <mathiaz> hi. Does Launchpad know about php upstream bug tracker ?
[06:00] <pochu> Dejav!
[06:00] <pochu> bug 74449
[06:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 74449 in malone "Add support for MySql and PHP bugtracker." [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74449
[06:00] <pochu> mathiaz: was asked ~ half an hour ago ;)
[06:02] <mathiaz> pochu: ok. Thanks.
[07:01] <Laibsch> I wanted to check out bughelper, but there is no edgy package
[07:01] <Laibsch> Thus, I followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/doc/getting-started?action=show&redirect=BugHelper%2Fdoc and got http://paste.stgraber.org/1608
[07:02] <Laibsch> not a branch?
[07:03] <pochu> Laibsch: https://code.launchpad.net/bughelper/
[07:04] <pochu> (main branch, or 0.1 for an stable one)
[07:04] <phanatic> did the rsa fingerprint of bazaar.launchpad.net change?
[07:12] <Laibsch> pochu: In what way should the wiki be updated?
[07:12] <Laibsch> I tried to figure this out myself but failed
[07:12] <Laibsch> Why would you check out with the LP name anyways?
[07:15] <spiv> phanatic: it shouldn't have
[07:17] <phanatic> spiv: sorry, my fault...
[07:17] <pochu> Laibsch: I can't find any mistake there.
[07:19] <Laibsch> Well, I followed it to the letter and got the mistake as paste
[07:19] <Laibsch> And bughelper itself seems not to work either
[07:19] <Laibsch> I think I'll try and compile the package
[07:21] <pochu> Laibsch: hmm, try s/bazaar/code/
[07:28] <Laibsch> code.launchpad.net does not have port 22 open
[07:29] <shawarma> Laibsch: Nope. It's bazaar.launchpad.net, if you're using sftp, I think.
[07:30] <spiv> LarstiQ: I think you want sftp://r0lf@bazaar.launchpad.net/~bughelper-dev/bughelper/main
[07:30] <spiv> Laibsch: I think you want sftp://r0lf@bazaar.launchpad.net/~bughelper-dev/bughelper/main
[07:30] <spiv> LarstiQ: sorry, wrong nick :)
[07:31] <spiv> Laibsch: there is no ~bughelper-dev/bughelper/bughelper.main, but the listing at https://code.launchpad.net/~bughelper-dev/ shows that there is a ~bughelper-dev/bughelper/main
[07:32] <Laibsch> I have checked out main fine
[07:33] <Laibsch> I wonder how to fix the wiki now to make it easier for the next guy around
[07:33] <spiv> It appears that wiki page needs updating.
[07:33] <Laibsch> ACK
[07:33] <Laibsch> pochu said it was fine, though
[07:33] <spiv> The line that says:
[07:33] <spiv> bzr checkout sftp://YOUR-LAUNCHPAD-ID@bazaar.launchpad.net/~bughelper-dev/bughelper/bughelper.main
[07:33] <Laibsch> I am not yet clear on how it should be changed
[07:33] <spiv> probably should say;
[07:33] <spiv> bzr checkout sftp://YOUR-LAUNCHPAD-ID@bazaar.launchpad.net/~bughelper-dev/bughelper/main
[07:33] <Laibsch> Let me try if that works
[07:33] <spiv> Which is consistent with what it says a couple of lines further down already.
[07:34] <Laibsch> Same problem
[07:34] <Laibsch> Oh, wait
[07:34] <spiv> Laibsch: are you a member of bughelper-dev?
[07:35] <Laibsch> yes, same problem
[07:35] <Laibsch> no
[07:35] <Laibsch> not a member
[07:35] <Laibsch> If that is a necessity it should say so
[07:35] <Laibsch> or better yet not include such references
[07:35] <spiv> It is at the moment.
[07:35] <spiv> jml has code in the works that'll change that.
[07:35] <pochu> Laibsch: try "bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bughelper-dev/bughelper/main"
[07:35] <Laibsch> OK, then I think just a plain checkout without ID is the best suggestion
[07:36] <Laibsch> pochu: I did that and it worked
[07:36] <pochu> Laibsch: cool :)
[07:36] <Laibsch> pochu: As I said, I wanted to make the web page better
[07:36] <pochu> Would you mind fixing the wiki? :)
[07:36] <Laibsch> pochu: Well, the code itself did not run, though.
[07:36] <Laibsch> pochu: ;-)
[07:36] <pochu> That's another story ;)
[07:36] <pochu> Laibsch: why doesn't it work?
[07:36] <Laibsch> Oh, it is known broken?
[07:37] <Laibsch> Just a minute
[07:37] <pochu> No, but that's not a wiki issue :p
[07:37] <pochu> Hmm, aren't we a bit offtopic here?
[07:37] <pochu> #ubuntu-bugs would be better...
[07:38] <Laibsch> true
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120602 in launchpad "blueprint dependency tree unreadable for large trees" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120602
[07:41] <pochu> Laibsch: please let me why it doesn't work :)
[07:42] <Laibsch> in a minute
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120605 in soyuz "Upload rejected notification must be reworded" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120605
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #120613 in launchpad "Search on '/usr/local/lib' won't show #73429 (summary: /usr/local/lib is not properly supported) in the results" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120613
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #120620 in rosetta "write a doc test file to document ITranslationImporter API" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120620
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120623 in soyuz "poppy's filesystem.txt test is dependent on dictionary sort order" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120623