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DanaG2>&1 pulseaudio --verbose | tail -n202:32
DanaGI: main.c: Daemon startup complete.02:32
DanaGI: module-alsa-source.c: *** ALSA-XRUN (capture) ***02:32
DanaGafter that, segfault.02:32
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DanaGpulseaudio: pcm_params.c:187: snd_pcm_hw_param_get_min: Assertion `!snd_interval_empty(i)' failed.02:39
DanaGAborted02:39
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DanaGHmm, I messed with my .asoundrc for a while, changing "route" to "plug", or vice versa, and maybe now it works -- no crash or abort.02:44
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DanaGYeah, now it works.02:45
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DanaGI also have to preload a dmix-using Pulse sink that will be given the same name the hal-detected hw:0 would use.02:46
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DigitalNinjaWhat's the story on gibben03:53
DigitalNinjaAnyone install it yet03:53
DigitalNinjaoh03:54
DigitalNinjamake that gibbon03:54
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cablesIs gksu hanging a known issue with Gutsy?05:06
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cablesSorry, network issue there... is anyone else experiencing issues when using things like the Update Manager where gksu doesn't come up and its process starts using CPU?05:16
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cablesIs there any chance of Firefox 3 in gutsy?05:42
DanaGHmm, whenever I try to use my LADSPA device in .asoundrc,05:42
DanaGaplay: set_params:878: Broken configuration for this PCM: no configurations available05:42
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DanaGSomething odd:06:51
DanaGonce snd-hda-intel loads, pcspkr will no longer beep.06:52
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shirishis there a way to convert .chm to .odt or something similar?07:51
Hobbseeshirish: checked google?07:52
Hobbseeshirish: and apt-cache search?07:52
shirishHobbsee: hi, I did do aptitude search which came up with viewers of .chm but didn't get anything particular about conversion utilities07:52
shirishgoogle also returns lot of results but nothing linux, debian or ubuntu specific07:53
Hobbseeright07:54
Hobbseeyou tried putting linux or debian in the search terms, i take it?07:54
jimpThis is off topic for this channel... but the "archmage" package describes itself as a .CHM decompiler (which should give you normal .html as output).07:54
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shirishjimp: saw that but really dunno, how it would work07:55
shirishHobbsee: actually I had been waiting to know if its possible to know why brasero is held back, meaning which packages need to be upgraded before brasero can be installed. Any ideas how to know that?07:56
Hobbseeshirish: means you need to run a dist-upgrade07:56
Hobbseeshirish: being careful that you dont end up removing anything that you critically want07:57
shirishHobbsee: I'm on gutsy07:57
Hobbseefrom apt07:57
Hobbseeit doesnt matter.07:57
Hobbseedist-upgrade will upgrade held back packages too, if possible07:57
shirishok thanx will do it.07:58
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=== Hobbsee sigh. why are these people running gutsy again?
crimsunit's shiny.08:03
Hobbseeheh08:03
Hobbseeyeah, but really...08:03
=== Hobbsee should find a temporary background for kubuntu
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DanaGI stilll haven't found anything I like better than the stock tree.08:29
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knixWhy is it FF has larger menu fonts than any other gtk app08:34
crdlbknix, it isn't a gtk app08:36
knixYes it is ..08:38
knixThe menus are all handled through gtk08:38
stdinand it depends on libgtk2.0-008:45
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sparrhow crazy would it be to fetch a kernel from gutsy?08:57
crimsunwhile running gutsy?  pretty normal.08:57
sparrwhile running feisty08:58
crimsunshould work fine08:58
crimsunnot supported, but it should worke08:59
crimsun-e08:59
crdlbknix, no it's XUL emulating gtk08:59
sparrits that or compile 2.6.21+ myself08:59
sparrand i prefer packages08:59
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sparrwas 2.6.21 ever packaged for gutsy or did the powers that be skip straight to 2.6.22?09:01
stdinlooks like only 2.6.22 is there anyway09:03
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PeakerAlright, who broke bzrtools? :-)09:04
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i386hey any work being done to include the new atheros driver to support the new macbook c2d;'s?12:31
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stefg!specs01:25
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about specs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:25
stefg!spec01:25
ubotuA spec is the details (specifications) of the components that make up software or a device. See: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs for specifications in Ubuntu.01:25
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AnRkeyare we gonna have a cooler artwork this time?02:13
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shirishHobbsee: Need your help in figuring out what went wrong?02:58
Hobbseeshirish: ENOCONTEXT02:58
shirishIf I'm transcoding right, it means in what context :P02:59
Hobbseesorry, -ENOCONTEXT02:59
Hobbseeie, error:  no context02:59
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shirishok, I actually filed a bug, so maybe you can figure out what might have happened02:59
shirishHobbsee: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boinc/+bug/12033703:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120337 in boinc "boinc fails to be authorized " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 03:00
=== shirish fails to find ENOCONTEXT in wikipedia hmm....
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johnnybuoyhi all!03:10
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Hobbseeshirish: yummy03:21
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shirishHobbsee: ah, the great princess returns, I'm guessing it was a nice dessert, dinner, lunch, tea (insert your favorite part here).03:22
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Hobbseeshirish: looks like glib corruption, as the warning implies03:22
Hobbsee"warning, impending doom!"03:22
Hobbseeheya calc03:22
=== Hobbsee was here. ish. in multiple places at once
=== shirish saw Hobbsee is in multiple places
shirishHobbsee: so whom should I contact so they can look what's wrong or ask me if they want to get some more tests done.03:25
Hobbseethe people who are in that debian BOINC team03:25
shirishHobbsee: Another thing, do u know if ENOCONTEXT is a noun or verb or what?03:25
Hobbseelooking at the bug reports on it, it looks like a new vesrion is going into debian and ubuntu soon03:26
Hobbseeit's not an english word03:26
Hobbseeit's a concanation03:26
shirishyup there is 5.10 which is supposed to go in soon, although no idea how that soon is gonna be03:26
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shirishHobbsee: is there some internal queque which tells you when some software is going to make it or no such luck?03:30
Hobbseenope03:31
Hobbseeshirish: as a general rule, nothing is private03:31
Hobbseeshirish: and i dont work for canonical03:31
=== Hobbsee is a core dev, though
Hobbseeshirish: there's the NEW queue and such - but that tells me nothing about debian.03:32
shirishHobbsee: a little more OT this Concatenation is it the same as  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concatenation or the link below that03:32
Hobbseeshirish: yeah, that's it03:32
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shirishHobbsee: OT still ENOCONTEXT is used only in the context of computer programming?03:49
Hobbseeshirish: -E<error message here> is yes03:50
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shirishHobbsee: I made a preliminary wikipedia about it, see if its good when you have time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concantenated_words03:56
DanaGisn't it "concatenated"?03:58
HobbseeDanaG: probably.  i never can spell it right03:58
=== shirish looking it up
shirishDanaG is right04:00
shirishHobbsee: DanaG: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_concatenated_words04:00
=== Hobbsee isnt sure it warranted a wiki page and such...
Hobbseeoh well04:01
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shirishtrue, but there may be more concatenated words which might be floating around, and non computer-programmers as well as novice computer programmers might benefit from such a  list04:03
=== Hobbsee suspects it's a thing in english where people either understand it straight away, or just will never undersatnd it.
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DanaGhah: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/06/15/nes_flash_cart_released/104:23
shirishHobbsee: the glib corruption in #bug/120337 how can i find what glib version is being used I tried glib --version didn't work, I also tried libc6-dev that also didn't work04:29
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Hobbseeshirish: the glib thing has always been there - just the new version doesnt hide that warning.04:29
Hobbseethe program needs fixing04:29
shirishso its an issue with glib04:30
Hobbseeno, it's an issue with boinc04:31
Hobbseecalling glib wrong.04:32
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gnomefreakHobbsee: Im leaning towards a glibc issue04:35
Hobbseegnomefreak: see what seb said in -bugs04:35
gnomefreakcant doesnt scroll back i had to rejoin04:36
gnomefreakHobbsee: it happens on a bunch of apps not just one04:36
gnomefreakall mozilla apps have the issue atm04:36
Hobbseegnomefreak: that's because they're all problematic..04:36
gnomefreakplus other apps04:36
Hobbseegnomefreak: http://rafb.net/p/6KNlSH23.html04:37
gnomefreakok ill take a looka nd see what i can find atleast on mozilla end04:37
gnomefreakhmmmm04:38
shirishgnomefreak: should the error be also linked with glibc ?04:38
Hobbseeshirish: no.  read the pastebin.04:38
gnomefreakshirish: not from what i jsut read04:39
shirishah, read that, the warning is ok, so you guys think its something else? i updated the glibc-dev & still the issue arises. https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boinc/+bug/12033704:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120337 in boinc "boinc fails to be authorized " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 04:40
gnomefreakshirish: it looks like the app is calling things in wrong order04:41
gnomefreakshirish: dont worry about it for now, you will be updated on your bug report04:41
shirishgnomefreak: ok thanx, although I would have liked to post an email to the boinc maintainers team also, just in case, the thing is I don't see a way to connect with them04:42
gnomefreakshirish: than do it04:42
shirishgnomefreak: The email address listed there seems to be incomplete, atleast in my browser it shows only till pkg-boinc-devel@lists.alioth.debian04:45
shirishis that correct? or should there be something more?04:46
gnomefreakshirish: i dont know, im working on something atm try searcing for the address (i dont know anything about boinc04:46
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shirishgnomefreak: oh ok sorry04:46
Hobbseeshirish: probably .org at the end04:47
Hobbseehttp://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo04:47
Hobbseeyep04:47
shirishaha, there is also a lists.alioth.debian.org alongwith lists.debian.org04:49
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jimmy_hey guys, when i undock my laptop, it wont suspend, and it boots up ridiculously slow, and then programs take forever to load, but when its docked it runs perfectly fine05:05
jimmy_im using an ibm thinkpad t4205:06
jimmy_is this a known issue?05:06
jimmy_also when i redock, the network/usb devices on my dock wont re-attach, it has to be rebooted05:07
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gnomefreakshirish: you still herE?06:54
gnomefreakshirish: i need to know if boinc just gave you the warning or did it crash.06:56
gnomefreakshirish: im out for a bit but ping me the info and ill get back to you on it06:57
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hwildeis there any default scheduled task that runs sunday morning at 7:35am ?07:06
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zaggynlhwilde, that would be /etc/init.d/take-a-piss or /etc/init.d/breakfast, but I'm not sure07:32
hwildelol07:34
hwildeI couldn't find anything either07:34
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hwildefor some reason, software is crashing at 7:35am on sunday morning.  I am trying to defend the OS saying there is nothing scheduled at that time and no reason for it07:35
hwildeI even commented out cron.weekly just to prove the point07:35
hwildeI thought maybe somebody knows of some obscure hidden thing that happens then07:35
calchwilde: not really any reason to defend gutsy at this point its not even at beta yet07:38
calchwilde: there are likely all sorts of bugs in it07:38
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hwildecalc, this happens in breezy, dapper, feisty and gutsy.  I only asked here in case somebody was working on a fix for next release07:46
hwildecalc, and my point in defending the OS (blaming the software itself) is that I can't find anything schedule to run sunday at 7:35am, so it has to be the software not the OS07:46
shirishgnomefreak: it gives me the warning, it doesn't crash, it freezes & then I have to force-quit. The error it gives me is it isn't authorized & the client server should be in the same directory07:50
Hobbseeshirish: then move the client so it is in the same directory...07:51
calchwilde: have you filed a bug about it? if it happens in more than gutsy it should be looked into07:54
hwildecalc, well that is my point I can't find any indication it is the OS.07:54
hwildeI think it is the software, unless I can find something in the OS scheduled to run sunday 7:35am  (and I disabled weekly crontab already even tho it was earlier)07:54
Hobbseecalc: you're ssupposed to *close* bugs.  not tell people to file more!07:55
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shirishHobbsee: how? I just installed it?07:56
calcheh her connection died ;)07:57
shirishdrats07:57
calchwilde: there is a crontab entry for 6:52am on sundays07:57
calcer 6:47am i mean07:57
calcit runs everything in /etc/cron.weekly at that time07:57
calcso it could be something under cron.weekly that is hanging the box07:57
calcoh nevermind you mentioned commenting it out07:58
hwildeI commented it out just for s&g07:58
shirishcalc: are you able to install pidgin-plugin-pack?07:58
hwildeeven tho it was 45 mins earlier07:58
calcshirish: i don't have gutsy installed on my laptop and that is what i am using currently07:59
shirishah ok07:59
shirishhwilde: what about u?07:59
hwildewhat about me08:00
hwildeoh can I install that?08:00
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shirishyup, its supposed to be in the mirrors quite some time ago, just checking if you are able to install it, my mirror updated everything except show anything about it08:02
hwildeshirish, I see it in debian but not ubuntu.  are you sure it's supposed to be included?08:02
calci see it in ubuntu on my desktop box but i don't want to potentially break it by upgrading remotely08:02
calcit at least shows up as available08:02
shirishhwilde: I am subscribed to gutsy-changes-request & it shows that it was released by Daniel Holbach08:02
hwildeshirish, maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+bug/11251108:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112511 in feisty-backports "Backport Pidgin 2.0.0 Final to Fiesty" [Undecided,Confirmed] 08:04
shirishhwilde: lol, its there, seems it got to my mirror just08:04
shirishI'm gonna quit & come back in a moment.08:05
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shirishgnomefreak: ping me whenever u are here08:22
gnomefreakim here08:22
gnomefreakshirish: i dont think that is related08:22
shirishoh ok08:22
gnomefreakim looking for program that crashes due to glib08:22
gnomefreakonly found one08:22
shirishthen basically what I have to do is do force quit08:23
shirishi did go to /var/crash to see if there was any crash file but there wasn't08:23
gnomefreaknot on freezes08:23
shirishthat's the thing, nothing happens with freezes08:23
shirishthe good thing is the output I do manage to get each time as I do from CLI08:24
shirishI did manage to put up a ticket also at trac & I received mail saying that the glibc is pretty old08:24
shirishhang on, lemme find it08:24
shirishhere it is http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/ticket/28008:25
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shirishgnomefreak: are u able to see the site, it seems boinc is down at this point in time, i'm not able to connect to it08:28
gnomefreakshirish: no i cant open sites atm way too much load08:29
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shirishok understood, I'll also try it a bit later also08:29
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gnomefreakshirish: sorry but i have 2 firefox and iceape building atm08:30
shirishgnomefreak: are u on debian as well? IIRC  the ice something is of debian08:31
gnomefreakwe have iceape in gutsy08:31
shirishoh that's cool08:31
gnomefreak1.1.1 is there 1.1.2 is building08:31
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shirishplease don't, as it is apes get so many less opportunities to be near ice08:33
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shirishgnomefreak: are u frank thomas by any chance?08:35
gnomefreaknope im john vivirito08:35
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shirishah ok, he is supposed to be the bug manager, I'm thinking to shoot him a mail sometime also, asking what the issue might be08:37
gnomefreaki know that name i just cant remember who it is. if you go to launchpad.net/people you should beablet o search his name and see who he is08:38
shirishI know I have his overview in front of me, if you want I can give the link08:39
shirishI think he is the boinc maintainer08:39
shirishhttps://beta.launchpad.net/~fst/08:40
shirishbe careful, he looks like the devil though08:40
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Arwenduh, anyone here?08:55
shirishonly fools are here on weekends, hence yes :P08:56
Arwenjust wondering how stable Gusty is (yes yes, I know it's pre-alpha)?08:56
Arwenusable, unusable, or eat-your-babies-unusable?08:56
gnomefreakArwen: suggestion: dont do it yet08:58
Arwenthat doesn't really answer my question? but I'm guessing it's "eat-your-babies-unusable" then?08:59
gnomefreakatm some people cant boot others can. I can not tell you how stable it will be on your pc i can however tell you there are alot of problems and will be more in the near future08:59
gnomefreakif you have to ask you dont want to upgrade09:00
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gnomefreakoh and update-manager and dist-upgrade fail often on peoples tried09:00
gnomefreaktrys09:00
Arwenwell, that's a fair enough answer. Guess I'll wait for Tribe 5 or so.09:00
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drukeanyone getting a weird screen thing popping up in teh newst gutsy update? its like teh volume changer popup, but in the middle of the screen09:01
gnomefreakok i mout for a bit09:01
gnomefreakhint <what does it say>09:01
gnomefreakbbl09:01
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_raphael_are the new features in gutsy decided?10:05
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pwnguindecided is a bad word10:08
pwnguinthere's goals stated for gutsy10:08
_raphael_that`s what I meant10:08
pwnguinbut i doubt any would be "blockers"10:08
_raphael_blockers?10:09
pwnguinas in, "lets push back the release for this feature"10:10
pwnguinhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy10:10
_raphael_more like guidelines?10:10
pwnguinyou can look at that page and see what's been suggested and how far along they are, and whether they're approved10:11
pwnguini dont think many features get rejected10:11
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crimsunthis new sudo password prompt is definitely more novice-friendly, but I'm waxing for the old one.11:53
crimsunmust be my old age.11:54
DanaGSame here.11:55
DanaGI prefer [$NAME]  password11:55
DanaGrather than [sudo]  $NAME Password.11:55
DanaGOr "Password for $NAME"11:56
DanaGI mean, I like the first or third, not what it is now.11:56
crimsunwell, the discussion occurred in the bug number mentioned in the changelog11:56
crimsunfeel free to add your thoughts there11:56
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EnverexOk, I've got an annoying issue I hope someone can resolve12:12
EnverexUbuntu's kernel comes with fglrx in volatile by default, but if you build the ATi fglrx module with module-assistant it puts it in misc instead (so it doesn't work as it ends up loading the one from volatile which is the old one)12:13
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ryanpghi, I'm constantly experiencing crashes in firefox... which is fine, even expected, but... apport seems to refuse to run is there a way to manually start apport after a crash?12:28

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