[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120468 in amule (universe) "aMule crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120468
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120467 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "usb mouse crashes after a while" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120467
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120469 in Ubuntu "I am denied access to the terminal." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120469
[12:12] <calc> bdmurray: if i see a bug report that isn't security related and it is fixed in a newer version do i close the bug as fixed and state which revision fixed it, or leave it open and mark it fixed in newer version, etc?
[12:13] <bryyce> calc, for that ooo bug, I'd mark it wishlist and file upstream with openoffice
[12:13] <bryyce> (if it isn't already)
[12:13] <calc> bryyce: ok i marked it as wishlist already
[12:14] <calc> the other issue is i am seeing some bugs for older releases that are already fixed or at least appear to be
[12:14] <bdmurray> !sru
[12:14] <ubotu> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.
[12:14] <bdmurray> calc: that might be helpful and
[12:14] <bryyce> calc, generally if it's fixed upstream you mark it 'Fix Committed', and when it's available in a released version of ubuntu or in an update, you can mark it 'Fix Released'
[12:14] <bdmurray> !backports
[12:15] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[12:15] <bryyce> calc, yeah those that are against old releases can be marked Fix Released generally
[12:15] <calc> ok
[12:15] <bryyce> however if there's any uncertainty I usually ask the user if they're still having the issue with Feisty
[12:15] <bryyce> if they don't reply in a month or so, then I close as fix released
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #120471 in sendmail (universe) "libmilter-dev libs misplaced" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120471
[12:16] <bryyce> bdmurray: aw, bug count is going back up again  http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/
[12:17] <bryyce> people need to stop testing so much!  ;-) ;-)
[12:18] <bdmurray> some of these new reports are uh, interesting
[12:21] <ubotu> New bug: #120472 in Ubuntu "Dual X Screen, Screen 2 uses Screen 1's size for applications." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120472
[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #120473 in Ubuntu "Gnome panels frequently reset" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120473
[12:28] <gnomefreak> yep after every update that will change it they update
[12:29] <gnomefreak> stop updating/installing packages :)
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120475 in timemachine (universe) ".desktop file wrong srouce" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120475
[12:41] <calc> who does rosetta imports?
[12:41] <calc> i have a bug about missing german translations for openoffice.org
[12:41] <calc> bug 65267
[12:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 65267 in openoffice.org "Missing German upstream translations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65267
[12:42] <pochu> calc: pitti and carlos.
[12:42] <pochu> calc: btw, congrats for your new job :)
[12:42] <calc> pochu: thank you :)
[12:42] <pochu> Now you can fix all those weird OOo bugs. kthxbye :)
[12:43] <pochu> bdmurray will be happy, since it'll mean reducing the bug counter in ~500 bugs, right? :)
[12:49] <yuriy> why is ubuntu-bugs a bug contact for compiz?
[12:49] <ScottK-laptop> Because it's a bug contact for all Ubuntu packages.
[12:50] <calc> pochu: yea
[12:50] <yuriy> ok i'm looking at the wrong thing, more like why is ubuntu qa subscribed to bug 119966
[12:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119966 in compiz "Cube-switch between workspaces doesn't work normally after 3D enabled more than twice" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119966
[12:50] <calc> another question what causes language packs to be installed
[12:51] <calc> i can't seem to track them back with rdepends to anything useful
[12:51] <ScottK-laptop> yuriy: Shouldn't be.
[12:51] <yuriy> oh somebody added it
[12:51] <pochu> And they shouldn't.
[12:51] <ScottK-laptop> Not subscribed any more.
[12:52] <pochu> ty
[12:52] <pochu> calc: Hmm, the install process ask you to install them, if you're connected to the network.
[12:52] <pochu> Or it they are in the CD/DVD
[12:53] <calc> ok
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120478 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Cannot control fan on Lenovo N100 notebooks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120478
[01:06] <pochu> Good night folks!
[01:34] <owh> I'm trying to fix a bug in gphpedit. I think that the problem is that a parameter being passed is defined as a gint, but expected to be a glong. There are over 300 parameters to check. I'm using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b to build the package. How do I get the compiler to tell me of these mismatches?
[01:36] <bdmurray> owh: I'd ask in ubuntu-devel
[01:36] <owh> Cool.
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120482 in openoffice.org (main) "Openoffice Presentation Crashes on exit everytime after presentation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120482
[01:47] <bdmurray> that oo bug is probably a dup
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120483 in Ubuntu "nfsboot ubuntu desktop fails with errors creating /dev/null" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120483
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #120484 in update-manager (main) "[gutsy]  crashes on partial upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120484
[03:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120486 in paintlib (universe) "Please sync paintlib (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120486
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #120487 in gtk+2.0 (main) ""save in folder" shows next item in combobox after selection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120487
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120488 in grub (main) "Error 22 post instalation reboot while USB flash drive was plugged in, grub didn't load" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120488
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120489 in debian-installer (main) "Upgrade failed because /boot ran out of disk space" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120489
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120490 in quota (main) "quota only displays the first automounted file-system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120490
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120491 in beryl-core (universe) "error with beryl" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120491
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120492 in Ubuntu "unable to fix broken links" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120492
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120493 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes when download window pop ups or opening preferences from edit menu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120493
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #120494 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging/inclusion]  gutenpy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120494
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120495 in xine-lib (main) "DVB segfault with latest xine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120495
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #120496 in Ubuntu "Beryl "white screen of death" in Gutsy Gibbon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120496
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #120497 in partimage (universe) "/dev/dm inode missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120497
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #120502 in thunderbird (main) "I cannot able to read Telugu unicode fonts. Please help." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120502
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #120499 in vim (main) "vim-gnome crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120499
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120503 in thunderbird (main) "I cannot able to read Telugu unicode fonts. Please help." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120503
[07:36] <ubotu> New bug: #120504 in mdadm (main) "mdadm : boot failed sometimes, no devices found" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120504
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #120505 in yelp (main) "only get web connection through launchpad" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120505
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120507 in archmage (universe) "archmage --version crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120507
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120508 in Ubuntu "Gutsy upgrade from Feisty leaves Feisty Docs in System / About Ubuntu (dup-of: 120509)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120508
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120509 in Ubuntu "Gutsy upgrade from Feisty leaves Feisty Docs in System / About Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120509
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120510 in xubuntu-system-tools (main) "xlock hangs up my system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120510
[08:56] <ubotu> New bug: #120512 in Ubuntu "cloop don't work with 7.04 (amd64)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120512
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #120514 in xen-tools (universe) "No hooks for Feisty when specifying "dist" option creating new VM" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120514
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120431 in Ubuntu "ATI Radeon 700 AGP 32MB" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120431
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120513 in linux-source-2.6.22 "drm trying to allocate 0 bytes of memory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120513
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120515 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Master volume control doesn't work, PCM only" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120515
[09:35] <thekorn> moin dholbach
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120517 in Ubuntu "Very slow copy file usb to usb" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120517
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120518 in Ubuntu "beryl crashes without cause" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120518
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120519 in Ubuntu "beryl crashes without cause" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120519
[09:35] <dholbach> good morning
[09:36] <dholbach> hey thekorn
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120520 in ffmpeg (main) "VLC downloads Flash Video rather than streaming it" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120520
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120521 in Ubuntu "gnome-power-manager does not suspend on laptop lid close" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120521
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120522 in kcemirror (universe) "kcemirror crashes on startup (AMD64)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120522
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120525 in openoffice.org (main) "transparency rendering problem in presentations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120525
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #120527 in Ubuntu "Sage.  Open Source Mathematics Software." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120527
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120528 in desktop-effects (main) "Desktop Effects crashes after a while" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120528
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #120530 in mail-notification (universe) ""Unable to contact Evolution" in Gutsy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120530
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #120532 in ghostscript (main) "Memory and CPU problem on Ubuntu 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120532
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120534 in backup-manager (universe) "Files in repository not matching name convention will be deleted during clean-up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120534
[11:21] <ubotu> New bug: #120535 in make-dfsg (main) "make invokes bad shell (/bin/sh instead of ${SHELL} )" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120535
[11:21] <ubotu> New bug: #120536 in xen-meta (universe) "[feature req]  Can someone generate a ununtu-xen-server-amd64 package?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120536
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #120538 in Ubuntu "id3 tag version differences result in confusing behaviour (e.g. rhythmbox, easytag)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120538
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120539 in Ubuntu "Wishlist: QT Jambi" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120539
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120540 in thunderbird (main) "full page not visible on monitor-cut off on right side" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120540
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120541 in gnome-games (main) "no sound in nibbles games" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120541
[11:53] <pochu> bdmurray: does it still make sense to say on UbuntuBugDay that the HugDay will be on #ubuntu-devel?
[11:54] <pochu> dholbach: would you mind to update the topic? Next HugDay is on June 27th :-)
[11:54] <dholbach> pochu: no, it should be at #ubuntu-bugs
[11:54] <pochu> Ok, I'll update it.
[11:55] <pochu> dholbach: thanks!
[11:55] <pochu> wiki updated.
[11:59] <dholbach> thanks
[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120546 in openoffice.org2-amd64 (main) "OpenOffice 2.2.0 in Feisty starts with multiple gtype.c:2242 assertion failures" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120546
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120548 in firefox (main) "Crash durign firefox use" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120548
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120549 in gnome-power-manager (main) "power manger shows always the same capacity of logitech mouse" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120549
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120550 in ekiga (main) "registration refused with Free IAP (France)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120550
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #120552 in evolution (main) "Conflicting hotkeys" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120552
[01:03] <pochu> asac: in bug 26038, debian closed it saying it didn't affect 1.8 branch, and thus it didn't affect mozilla. Is that also the case in Ubuntu?
[01:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 26038 in mozilla "[CVE-2005-1790]  DoS against Mozilla-based browsers" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/26038
[01:04] <asac> pochu: its fix released
[01:05] <asac> oh yeah
[01:05] <asac> pochu: i dropped a comment
[01:06] <pochu> Cool :)
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120480 in Ubuntu "HUGE Logon Font" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120480
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120554 in Ubuntu "[Needs Packaging]  PJSIP" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120554
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120557 in gok (universe) "Merge gok-1.2.5-1 from debian unstable." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120557
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120560 in qjackctl (universe) "Merge qjackctl 0.2.22-2 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120560
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120562 in Ubuntu "[Needs Packaging]  PJMedia" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120562
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #120561 in alsa-driver (main) "Sound card not recognized in latest Feisty " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120561
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120563 in Ubuntu "nautilus hangs when restricted-manager crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120563
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120564 in openoffice.org (main) "Thesaurus disabled in OpenOffice.org 2.2 and cannot be enabled." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120564
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120565 in blender (universe) "Game engine crashes on 64bit ubuntu feisty 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120565
[02:48] <coNP> is Bug #116460 really a gnome-terminal bug?
[02:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116460 in gnome-terminal "cannot update any package or security update" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116460
[02:53] <Hobbsee> doubt it
[02:53] <Hobbsee> dholbach: we need a predefined response for "you ahve screwed up your system dependancies, please do x,y,z"
[02:54] <seb128> Hobbsee: that's NOTABUG
[02:54] <seb128> people doing that should deal with support tracker, not bug tracker
[02:54] <Hobbsee> exactly
[02:54] <Hobbsee> what i wonder about is why bdmurray has responded to it
[02:54] <Hobbsee> there seems to be something in synaptic that's telling pepole to file bugs
[02:54] <Hobbsee> and a lot fo tha tmessage coming up
[02:55] <seb128> coNP: no
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hiya mvo_
[02:55] <Hobbsee> mvo_'s having the daily battle with his connection again, it looks like
[02:55] <coNP> thanks Hobbsee, seb128 for confirming me
[02:57] <Hobbsee> seb128: i wonder how easy it is to make bughelper search for "dpkg --configure -a", give a predefined response, and auto-close the bug
[02:57] <seb128> not too hard I guess
[02:57] <Hobbsee> i've yet to see a legitimate bug with that string in it
[03:05] <seb128> hey mvo__
[03:08] <mvo__> hey seb128
[03:10] <seb128> mvo__: Alter! Your internet looks really crappy today ;)
[03:10] <seb128> I've tried to query you several time without luck
[03:10] <Hobbsee> yay, mvo__ exists now!
[03:12] <Hobbsee> seb128: do you know what the solution is to:  ***MEMORY-WARNING***: [3821] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[03:13] <seb128> Hobbsee: I think I'm going to starting kicking people mentioning this warning :p
[03:13] <seb128> Hobbsee: call g_thread_init() before using glib functions as indicated ;)
[03:13] <Hobbsee> seb128: right, so there's no solution, and it's a warning, not an error?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> ah right
[03:13] <seb128> well, the message is pretty clear
[03:13] <seb128> but it's only a warning
[03:13] <seb128> the problem was there before for those applications
[03:13] <seb128> glib was just not displaying a warning about it
[03:13] <Hobbsee> seb128: as in, it's code in each individual app
[03:13] <Hobbsee> ahh, right
[03:14] <seb128> yes
[03:16] <ubotu> New bug: #120567 in alsa-driver (main) "Unable to get microphone working (Dell Dimension 5000)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120567
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120568 in openarena (universe) "openarena crashes by changing sound quality" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120568
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120569 in gramps (universe) "gramps segfaults on load, and dumps" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120569
[03:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120570 in gnome-utils (main) "Gfloppy is not enabled" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120570
[04:05] <DarkMageZ> doko, i've created a myspell-en-ca package if you're interested. http://mirror.randumb.net/darkmagez/canada/ bug #44100
[04:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44100 in openoffice.org "openoffice.org in feisty lacks canadian english spellcheck" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44100
[04:09] <doko> DarkMageZ: will have a look; please could you file a bug report and subscribe me?
[04:11] <DarkMageZ> doko, a new bug? or attach to the canadian english one? which you are already subscribed to
[04:38] <gnomefreak> bug 120337
[04:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120337 in boinc "boinc fails to be authorized " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120337
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #120573 in gnome-vfs-obexftp (universe) "bluetooth connection lost on forbidden actions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120573
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #120575 in katapult (main) "Katapult is utilizing non-standard SQL which results in SQL errors in PostgreSQL and other standards compiant DBMS'." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120575
[04:51] <dholbach> bug 97392
[04:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 97392 in apache2 "Negotiation broken for apache2-doc" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97392
[04:51] <seb128> dholbach: what about it?
[04:51] <dholbach> somebody mentioned it in a query
[04:51] <dholbach> i wanted to know what it is about too :)
[04:52] <seb128> ah, k
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120576 in Ubuntu "[new package]  myspell-en-ca (canada)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120576
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120579 in totem (main) "Totem fails to play stream smooth" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120579
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #120578 in Ubuntu "Some fonts look painfully ugly in OpenOffice.org" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120578
[05:24] <calc> what is the proper way to detach bug 70981 from openoffice.org ?
[05:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70981 in kdepim "OO attachment won't open in Kmail" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70981
[05:24] <calc> kdelibs deletes the tempfile from under openoffice.org which is why it occurs
[05:24] <calc> so it isn't actually an openoffice bug
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120581 in Ubuntu "[wishlist]  Package sguil" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120581
[05:26] <Hobbsee> calc: reject the openoffic etaks
[05:26] <Hobbsee> er, openoffice task
[05:26] <calc> ok
[05:32] <calc> Hobbsee: moved it from kdepim to kdelibs as well
[05:32] <Hobbsee> calc: great :)
[05:33] <calc> Hobbsee: looks like upstream thinks their bugs are other people's problems though
[05:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:33] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:34] <calc> Hobbsee: they clearly known exactly what causes the problem but want all programs that operate in that way to have a special kde script
[05:34] <calc> lmao
[05:34] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:34] <Hobbsee> it'll probably change for kde4 too
[05:34] <calc> hopefully change for the better
[05:34] <calc> aiui kde4 won't be in ubuntu until gutsy+2?
[05:35] <calc> grr i'm hungry, calc find food, food good ;)
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120585 in music-applet (universe) "Please sync music-applet (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120585
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120586 in texlive-base (main) "epstopdf is vey old" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120586
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #120587 in Ubuntu "open dialog does not show "File System" item for root" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120587
[06:11] <ubotu> New bug: #120589 in Ubuntu ""Starting Root Terminal" displayed more than 10 sec after terminal started" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120589
[06:20] <calc> whoa half of the bugs in ubuntu are unconfirmed
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120590 in vmware-player (multiverse) "vmware doesn't install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120590
[06:20] <calc> where are all of them at
[06:21] <calc> there are only ~ 200-250 on ooo
[06:24] <bdmurray> calc: in bug 66864 the original reporter stopped using Ubuntu. should we close it?
[06:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 66864 in openoffice.org "crash from saving Office document" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/66864
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120592 in emacs-snapshot (universe) "emacs-snapshot-gtk crashes using ediff" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120592
[06:26] <calc> bdmurray: suppose so, the original file wasn't included and it is from an old version of ooo as well
[06:27] <calc> bdmurray: and there is no backtrace (afaict)
[06:28] <calc> who was the other person besides carlos that does rosetta imports?
[06:30] <Hobbsee> calc: i've got a suspicion that a lot are on packages we autosync from debian
[06:31] <calc> Hobbsee: ah
[06:32] <Hobbsee> but i dont know
[06:32] <pochu> calc: pitti, afaik.
[06:32] <pochu> and probably danilos.
[06:35] <calc> how long have the bug days been going on?
[06:35] <pochu> The Hug Days?
[06:35] <calc> looks like we just started to make a dent in the past month on the steep increase, so whatever happened recently was a good thing ;)
[06:35] <calc> pochu: yea
[06:36] <calc> ie the unconfirmed chart for 180 days
[06:36] <pochu> They were running before I joined this channel for first time, which was about ~ 6 or 8 months ago, IIRC
[06:36] <calc> oh ok
[06:36] <pochu> but bdmurray or sfllaw will know it :)
[06:37] <calc> well something else must have happened to cause it to work well
[06:37] <calc> maybe that was when apport was turned off? ;)
[06:37] <pochu> hehe :)
[06:38] <calc> probably need to have hug days once a week to resolve the ~ 15K outstanding bugs within a year or so
[06:38] <pochu> It was in April, before Feisty's release
[06:38] <calc> pochu: ok
[06:38] <pochu> calc: or asking the launchpad folks to mass-reject them ;)
[06:38] <calc> appears about 250 bugs were confirmed this week during hug day
[06:39] <calc> so a years worth of hug days could potentially confirm 13K/bugs
[06:39] <calc> pochu: hehe yea
[06:40] <pochu> bdmurray has been doing something similar with bugnumbers :)
[06:40] <bdmurray> Personally, I think weekly is too frequently.
[06:40] <pochu> i.e. closing old 'needs info' bugs without an answer
[06:41] <pochu> bdmurray: twice a month is reasonably though, right?
[06:41] <calc> bdmurray: yea weekly could cause people to get lax and not go to them :\
[06:41] <bdmurray> pochu: I'm working on every 2 weeks and trying to time it with the release cycle
[06:41] <Hobbsee> i havent seen sfllaw in *ages*
[06:41] <pochu> But most of us get to bugs every day... :-)
[06:42] <Hobbsee> there's gotta be some better way of killing the bugs a bit
[06:42] <pochu> Hobbsee: neither have I...
[06:42] <bdmurray> The next one is scheduled for the 27th and then the 5th due to a US holiday
[06:43] <pochu> I'll probably be here for the 5th one :)
[06:44] <Hobbsee> hey BjornT_
[06:45] <calc> that reminds me who do i contact to import german translations for ooo-draw
[06:45] <pochu> calc: is OOo Java?
[06:45] <BjornT__> hi Hobbsee
[06:45] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: a question for you....
[06:45] <calc> pochu: c++ mainly
[06:45] <pochu> calc: I'd say carlos or danilos in #launchpad
[06:45] <calc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/openoffice.org/+pots/ooo-draw
[06:45] <pochu> calc: ah, ok.
[06:45] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: are you interested, or arre you busy?
[06:46] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: how hard would it be to get a https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs  type of thing implemented for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ ?
[06:47] <BjornT__> Hobbsee: well, i am kind of busy, but i always have time for quick questions :)
[06:47] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: okay, see ^
[06:47] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: i suspect this would be of great help to the bugteams and triaging and such, as it would let us see exactly where these 30K of ubuntu bugs are.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: and it seems like the code partially exists for it, if you've got the packagebugs by teams
[06:48] <BjornT__> Hobbsee: iirc, there's a bug for it. it's kind of hard, since the page will need a slight re-design to cope with the number of packages in ubuntu.
[06:48] <BjornT__> Hobbsee: but it shouldn't be too hard to do
[06:48] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: do it queue style, with a <next> page.  *shrugs*
[06:49] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: any way we could escallate it to be done a bit faster?  :)
[06:50] <BjornT__> Hobbsee: well, how important is it to have such a page? :)
[06:50] <ubotu> New bug: #120594 in evolution (main) "parsing of From lines broken if period in display name" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120594
[06:51] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: from bug triaging?  it's certainly very helpful, with that current kubuntu one.
[06:52] <BjornT__> Hobbsee: i'm going to plan the work for the next two months next week, so i'll see if i can fit it in
[06:52] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: if there is a particular package you are interested in bug numbers can do a query for you
[06:52] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: okay, thanks
[06:52] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: it's more that i want to know overall, and see where the trouble spots are
[06:53] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: i mean, if i knew a troublesome package, then i'd look it up
[06:53] <Hobbsee> but it's very hard at the moment to actually find a package with bugs on it, if i've not heard of it's name somewhere else
[06:53] <Hobbsee> as in, any random package that we sync from debian no dev looks at.  so any bugs there get ignored.  it'd be interesting to have a better way of finding those types of packages, and forwarding them elsewhere
[06:54] <Hobbsee> because the 30K clearly arent hiding only in the packages that we modify
[06:54] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: a while I go I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/AdoptPackage with packages with 100+ bugs would that be useful?
[06:55] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: automated is good.  wikipages are not automated.
[06:55] <Hobbsee> those are reasonably popular - people know about most of htose
[06:55] <pochu> Hobbsee: I know them. They are OOo, X, and Ubiquity. So please look at them and fix those bugs kthxbye
[06:56] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:56] <ubotu> New bug: #120595 in firefox (main) "A pop-up window informed of a bug with a firefox-bin.1000.crash file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120595
[06:56] <calc> what i think would be cool to see is a descending list of bugs per package for certain types of searches like: overall, imprortance, status, etc
[06:57] <pochu> And looks like kdebase too
[06:57] <calc> pochu: ooo only has ~ 500 bugs total
[06:57] <pochu> calc: as X and Ubiquity more or less :)
[06:57] <calc> pochu: thats ~ 1.7% of the overall total
[06:57] <pochu> calc: ONLY? :)
[06:57] <calc> pochu: well if x and ubiquity are about the same that is only 5% of the bugs there are probably other high bug count packages as well
[06:57] <pochu> Providing there are more than 10000 source packages, IIRC... :)
[06:57] <Hobbsee> calc: that's what i'm thinking.
[06:57] <pochu> kdebase also has ~500 bugs.
[06:58] <calc> pochu: true, but a lot probably don't have bugs, it could be the rest average 3 bugs each, but unlikely
[06:58] <pochu> Firefox is another hug package
[06:58] <Hobbsee> pochu: true that.  i look forward to when dapper EOL's.
[06:58] <Hobbsee> well, i guess it's gutsy+1 EOLing too.
[06:58] <Hobbsee> if that's going with kde3
[06:58] <calc> still it would be nice to be able to see a list like that so people could see what the current high priority to fix packages are
[06:58] <calc> in the event X and OOo bug counts drop
[06:58] <Hobbsee> indeed
[06:59] <calc> or some other package all of sudden starts getting really buggy ;)
[06:59] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:59] <Hobbsee> BjornT__: there you go, yes it's deemed important by others too :)
[06:59] <calc> to a certain extent we will see that via ubotu
[06:59] <calc> if its really hard to do we could do something else as a workaround perhaps
[06:59] <calc> but if not it would definitely be nice to have
[07:00] <pochu> Hobbsee: EOL?
[07:00] <Hobbsee> pochu: end of life
[07:00] <calc> or end of line ;)
[07:00] <pochu> ah, hehe :)
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120596 in firefox (main) "A pop-up window informed of a bug with a firefox-bin.1000.crash file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120596
[07:00] <ccm>  /lastlog Undecided,Unconfirmed
[07:00] <ccm> wups
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #103829 in gnome-panel (main) "Panel icons justified left and not right" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103829
[07:05] <calc> ouch bug per minute
[07:05] <pochu> about 1000 bugs per week.
[07:06] <pochu> If each one on this channel closed 2 bugs per day, the bug count will decrease :)
[07:06] <pochu> s/will/would/
[07:08] <bdmurray> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/25745/
[07:09] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: what exactly is that?
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120598 in ksniffer (universe) "Please synce ksniffer (0.3~alpha2-1) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120598
[07:11] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: the number of bugs per package for packages in main
[07:14] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: ah right, so that's main.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: i was thinking there wasnt enough
[07:14] <Hobbsee> interesting :)
[07:14] <calc> lots of really buggy crap ;)
[07:14] <calc> xorg is #6
[07:15] <calc> ubiquity, firefox, update-manager, kdebase, openoffice.org, xorg, nautilus, evolution, network-manager, synaptic
[07:15] <calc> update-manager being in that list is concerning
[07:15] <Hobbsee> that's all the broken updates
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120600 in Ubuntu "gnome doesn't start. " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120600
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120601 in rhythmbox (main) "rithym box" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120601
[07:16] <calc> bdmurray: is there a way to keep that list automatically generated daily in descending order? ;)
[07:16] <calc> bdmurray: or a command line that mere mortals like us can run to get that output ;)
[07:17] <calc> 32 packages with over 100 bugs
[07:17] <calc> 66 with 50 or more
[07:17] <bdmurray> calc: I'll work on doing something better with it in the next couple of days
[07:17] <calc> bdmurray: cool :) thanks
[07:19] <seb128> calc: update-manager tends to get all the upgrade bugs
[07:20] <calc> seb128: oh ok, so it is probably in need of triage, heh
[07:20] <seb128> right
[07:21] <Hobbsee> seb128: what's your take on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/atk1.0/+bug/104724 ?
[07:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104724 in atk1.0 "GTK apps freezing randomly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[07:23] <seb128> Hobbsee: I've no clue about the a11y bugs
[07:23] <seb128> sorry
[07:23] <Hobbsee> seb128: okay.  i thought you might, as it was GTK
[07:23] <seb128> it's atk
[07:23] <seb128> dholbach does the updates
[07:26] <ubotu> New bug: #2999 in gnome-media "gnome-volume-control segfaults (dup-of: 36214)" [Unknown,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2999
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120603 in hwdb-client (main) "hwdb-kde crashed with UnboundLocalError in get_xorgdata()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120603
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #120604 in Ubuntu "random freeze of the computer for 10-30 seconds" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120604
[07:47] <Laibsch> pochu: bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bughelper-dev/python-launchpad-bugs/main python-launchpad-bugs crashes
[07:48] <pochu> can you pastebin the output?
[07:48] <Laibsch> Sure
[07:49] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: for bugs like aspell-de-alt's one, can you look into it, see if it's sane, and give a way of fixing it?  it loosk like it applies to multiple packages
[07:49] <pochu> Laibsch: hmm, what crashes, the checkout or the program itself? :)
[07:49] <Laibsch> http://paste.stgraber.org/1609
[07:49] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: it'd be useful to keep updating that, and putting it onto p.u.c though
[07:49] <Hobbsee> or wherever
[07:50] <pochu> Laibsch: I think mvo had a similar problem. Can you try with python2.5?
[07:51] <pochu> Laibsch: btw, what command are you running?
[07:52] <pochu> Night Hobbsee
[07:52] <Laibsch> pochu: what command?
[07:52] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: good night
[07:52] <Laibsch> bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bughelper-dev/python-launchpad-bugs/main python-launchpad-bugs
[07:53] <thekorn> Laibsch: what version of bzr do you use? 'bzr --version'
[07:54] <Laibsch> edgy
[07:54] <Laibsch>  0.11.0
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120606 in gnome-panel (main) "When i use the workspace switcher the top and bottom ber disapear" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120606
[07:56] <thekorn> Laibsch: bzr changed the data format,
[07:56] <thekorn> i think with 0.14
[07:57] <thekorn> so you need atleast bzr 0.14 to commit data to bughelper-data
[07:57] <Laibsch> Well, right now I just want to check out
[07:59] <thekorn> Laibsch: that doesn't work with <0.14, sorry
[08:02] <Laibsch> well, that precludes all edgy and dapper users
[08:02] <Laibsch> not a good idea IMO
[08:02] <Laibsch> excludes
[08:05] <Laibsch> The whole intro for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/doc/getting-started becomes a joke really
[08:06] <Laibsch> You can just install the package on feisty
[08:06] <Laibsch> And if you are not on feisty you need to upgrade to feisty version of bzr ;-)
[08:06] <Laibsch> just to get the code in another way
[08:07] <Laibsch> Well, the page is too broken.  I can't spend more time on fixing it today.
[08:09] <bdmurray> Laibsch: while you could just install the package on Feisty not every feature of bughelper is available in the package
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120607 in gnome-menus (main) "fuzzy app launchers" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120607
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120608 in Ubuntu "Add /usr/local/lib to ld search path" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120608
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #120609 in gparted (main) "gparted 0.2.5 doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120609
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #120610 in eclipse (universe) "eclipse-package misses org.eclipse.jdt.apt.core" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120610
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120611 in evolution (main) "in evolution cannot move recursive events" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120611
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120612 in Ubuntu "unable to start udate or synapitc manager could not initialise the package information" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120612
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120614 in udev (main) "udev missing rules for various input devices" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120614
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #120615 in Ubuntu "/proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ folder empty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120615
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #120617 in evolution-data-server (main) "Excessive memory use" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120617
[10:21] <Bassetts> if i can reproduce a bug should i mark it confirmed?
[10:23] <bdmurray> Bassetts: most likely what bug number is it?
[10:24] <Bassetts> 107370
[10:24] <bdmurray> bug 107370
[10:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107370 in Ubuntu "Coming back after going into hibernation causes 'Sleep' light to blink in Feisty amd64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107370
[10:24] <Bassetts> althought its not just on amd64
[10:25] <bdmurray> Bassetts: okay, looking now
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120616 in pango1.0 (main) "link error: pango_fc_font_create_metrics_for_context undefined" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120616
[10:25] <bdmurray> Bassetts: would you be willing to add some more information to the bug?
[10:26] <Bassetts> sure, anything that is needed,
[10:26] <Bassetts> im new to all this thought so i am not sure what is needed
[10:26] <Bassetts> *though
[10:30] <bdmurray> Bassetts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI has some relevant questions
[10:30] <bdmurray> Bassetts: If you need any help let me know
[10:30] <Bassetts> i thought it would be acpi
[10:30] <Bassetts> shall i change the package?
[10:32] <bdmurray> Bassetts: The package should be linux-source-2.6.20 as that is the Feisty kernel
[10:32] <Bassetts> ok
[10:35] <Bassetts> bdmurray, how/where should i paste the lspci
[10:36] <bdmurray> Bassetts: you could do 'lspci -vvnn > lspci.txt'.  this will redirect the output of lspci to the file lspci.txt.  Then add that file as an attachment to the bug report.
[10:37] <bdmurray> Does that help?
[10:37] <Bassetts> yep
[10:37] <bdmurray> The same applies with dmidecode
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120618 in gtk+2.0 (main) "g_hash_table_ref not defined" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120618
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120619 in libcairo (main) "[Gutsy]  invalid resolution detected resulting in BIG fonts on i915" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120619
[10:43] <calc> bdmurray: 74793 look ok to reject? someone asked a question of the user the same day it was filed and they never responded
[10:43] <calc> bdmurray: and that was 6 months go
[10:43] <calc> er ago
[10:43] <bdmurray> bug 74793
[10:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 74793 in openoffice.org "Button blank after document recovery in openoffice" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74793
[10:45] <bdmurray> calc: Do you think there is enough information there though?
[10:47] <calc> i might be able to attempt to reproduce it on i386 but if it doesn't happen for me i would need the user to see if it is still an issue on feisty
[10:47] <bdmurray> There is no Feisty for powerpc afaik
[10:47] <calc> and seeing as he didn't respond to a question the same day he posted that is somewhat doubtful
[10:47] <calc> bdmurray: oh, doh
[10:48] <bdmurray> Or maybe I am looking in the wrong places for it
[10:48] <calc> bdmurray: ok, will look into that and see, thanks for the help
[10:49] <bdmurray> calc: Incidentally I didn't see OpenOffice.org for amd64 at their site.  Is it special somehow?
[10:50] <Bassetts> bdmurray, can i only attact 1 file at a time
[10:50] <bdmurray> Bassetts: yes, I believe so
[10:50] <Bassetts> ok
[10:52] <calc> bdmurray: i don't know for sure whether it is supposed upstream yet
[10:54] <Bassetts> bdmurray, i added all the files
[10:55] <bdmurray> Bassetts: okay, looking again
[10:55] <Bassetts> im updating 84625 also
[11:03] <bdmurray> Bassetts: are you always booting the 2.6.20-16 kernel now?
[11:03] <Bassetts> yes
[11:04] <bdmurray> so you boot up (no blinking), hibernate (no blinking), resume (blinking) correct?
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #120621 in gnash (universe) "[gutsy] gnash 0.8.0 will not play youtube, auto codec installation not working, other videos not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120621
[11:06] <Bassetts> it starts blinking just before the login screen comes up
[11:06] <Bassetts> when everything is resuming
[11:07] <bdmurray> and after it is fully resumed / usable it still blinks right?
[11:07] <Bassetts> yep
[11:07] <Bassetts> until shutdown
[11:07] <Bassetts> if you restart it keeps blinking
[11:08] <Laibsch> pochu: Sorry to keep you waiting.  the output of "bughelper" is at http://rafb.net/p/SyQsXu29.html
[11:08] <bdmurray> that sounds annoying
[11:09] <Bassetts> it is very bdmurray
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #120622 in Ubuntu "zydas wireless cards report 100% quality signal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120622
[11:15] <Bassetts> bdmurray, for bug 84625 i know how to fix it, shall i just mention what needs adding?
[11:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 84625 in hotkey-setup "A few hotkeys not working Lenovo 3000 C200" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84625
[11:15] <bdmurray> Bassetts: okay, thanks for the additonal information
[11:16] <bdmurray> re 84625 that would be great
[11:18] <Bassetts> bdmurray, do you know how the hotkeys-setup .hk files work?
[11:19] <bdmurray> Bassetts: I am afraid not.
[11:19] <Bassetts> ok
[11:20] <bdmurray> You might check in ubuntu-devel
[11:22] <Bassetts> ok
[11:43] <Bassetts> bdmurray, is there a wiki page on how i can help out with bugs
[11:44] <bdmurray> Bassetts: a few actually
[11:45] <bdmurray> Bassetts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[11:45] <bdmurray> That is a good start.
[11:45] <Bassetts> thanks, i wold like to help out :)
[11:45] <bdmurray> We'd be happy to have your help.  Do you have any specific interests?
[11:47] <Bassetts> erm, my new laptop but i already found the only two bugs for it
[11:47] <Bassetts> other than that, erm, not really
[11:47] <Bassetts> bluetooth, graphics, media
[11:50] <bdmurray> That's cool.  A good way to start off is by helping bugs find a home.
[11:50] <bdmurray> like bug 120622
[11:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120622 in Ubuntu "zydas wireless cards report 100% quality signal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120622
[11:50] <Bassetts> so even if i cant reproduce something or dont have the same hardware i can help the bug out?
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #120625 in Ubuntu "The curson position is lost on OpenOffice writer when switching applications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120625
[11:51] <bdmurray> Absolutely, not every bug has enough information in it for a developer to successfully work on it.
[11:51] <Bassetts> ok
[11:51] <bdmurray> And that bug in particular does not have a package associated with it so is unlikely to get looked at.
[11:52] <bdmurray> See how in Affects it just says Ubuntu?
[11:52] <Bassetts> yep
[11:55] <x0qa> upgraded to gutsy g. and the gdm background color has changed. "system>admininistration>login window"'s settings don't change anything. has anyone run into this problem?
[11:56] <x0qa> is there a default settings file somewhere i could edit?
[11:57] <bdmurray> x0qa: that bug sounds familiar
[11:57] <x0qa> i was unable to find it.
[11:57] <Bassetts> bdmurray, i dont suppose you know how i can find which key has the hex code given in keyboard shortcuts
[11:57] <x0qa> but it seems so obvious, i didn't want to report on the site.
[11:58] <bdmurray> Bassetts: try showkey
[11:58] <bdmurray> in a terminal
[11:59] <x0qa> /etc/gdm/gdm.conf maybe? is looking into the matter :)
[12:00] <Bassetts> bdmurray, how do i use it?
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #120626 in python-pqueue (main) "PQueue segfaults in Python2.5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120626
[12:00] <Bassetts> i keep forgetting about man
[12:01] <bdmurray> It has been a while you might actually have to use it in a vty because otherwise X will grab the key
[12:02] <x0qa> yep, the setting is in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf, seems sys>admin.>login window doesn't change that setting
[12:02] <Bassetts> it works just it scrolls too fast to see the output
[12:03] <bdmurray> Bassetts: give me a sec
[12:03] <Bassetts> ok
[12:04] <Bassetts> the hex is 0xed