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I'm personally have some issues (won't work) on feisty with it. Fixed them up by removing most of the code in local-top/mdadm and replacing it with a procedure that always does a full scan to build a config file, and assembles everything. Do you have any plans with regards to this? === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === owh [n=onno@59.154.24.148] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] I'm trying to fix a bug in gphpedit. I think that the problem is that a parameter being passed is defined as a gint, but expected to be a glong. There are over 300 parameters to check. I'm using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b to build the package. How do I get the compiler to tell me of these mismatches? [01:37] owh: try in -motu [01:37] Heh, I just came from ubuntu-bugs, but I'll ask. 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[08:44] Launchpad bug 108870 in kubuntu-default-settings "[Feisty regression] install two or more debian files with right click on them and install doesn't work" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108870 [08:44] pitti: not yet. [08:45] Hobbsee: so I assign this to you if you don't mind? [08:45] pitti: herd 2's...when? [08:45] no, that's fine === Hobbsee cant do any RE atm - need to leave for work in ~10 mins, and find a good book first. [08:45] oh, and breakfast === jcran_ [n=jcran@12-216-45-49.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:46] great, so all tribe-2 bugs have assignees now [08:46] Hobbsee: June 28th [08:46] i dont consider kubuntu-team to be an assignee [08:46] right [08:46] Hobbsee: sorry, June 19th [08:46] what??? [08:46] oh fudge, i thought it was later [08:46] no, bogus [08:46] okay, will look when i get home. [08:46] June 28th is right [08:46] good. [08:47] July 19th was tribe-3 already [08:47] hehe === pitti <= needs more tea [08:47] clearly === Hobbsee hands you a cup of tea === Hobbsee needs a lassoo, a cattle prod, and maybe a taser too. [08:47] In theory, if someone were to upload a package with this copyright/license (last three lines): http://search.cpan.org/src/CFRANKS/Perl6-Junction-1.30000/README What would happen? [08:47] Good morning, by the way :) === Hobbsee calls upon mneptok === pygi doesn't see any problem [08:48] shawarma, I do believe however that you're supposed to add COPYING and stuff then [08:48] pygi: It's mostly to do with the "All rights reserved" bit. === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-25-149.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] shawarma, meh, yea, he claims authorship rights [08:49] every author claims that [08:49] whetever you have that written or not [08:49] (/me has law, had his exam few days ago :P) [08:51] haha [08:51] poor pygi [08:51] Hobbsee, I'll pass with A even :P [08:51] woo! [08:51] do the rest of my exams then. [08:51] Hobbsee, nah, I'll fail some :P [08:51] Like informatics :p [08:51] pygi: I see. I was under the impression that that particular statement Conflicts: GPL.. [08:51] Hobbsee, but I'll get A from organization :p [08:51] shawarma, IMHO it doesn't. [08:51] heh [08:51] shawarma, I do however think that the package must have COPYING and stuff, otherwise you need to add it [08:51] shawarma, is perl under gpl? [08:51] pygi: Hm. Yes, I see what you mean. [08:52] shawarma, if possible, just mail the author and tell hjm to remove the line. But what we're talking here are authorship rights, and GPL grants other types of rights: [08:52] material ones, which would be: distribute, say about it (advocate), reproduce (use, whatever), and modify [08:53] pygi: Ok. Interesting. [08:53] shawarma, what licence is perl? === pygi wonders when did he start turning into a lawyer :P [08:54] Hobbsee, which exams do you have left? [08:54] pygi: See /usr/share/doc/perl/copyright :) [08:54] pygi: It's GPL-1 and Artistic. [08:54] pygi: AFAIR [08:55] GPL1 or later, and Artistic [08:55] got it ^_^ [08:57] pygi: maths, electronics [08:57] Hobbsee, I can pass the second one for you ^_^ [08:57] oh good === Hobbsee doesnt grok electronics *at all* [08:57] with pretty good grade I think as well =) [08:57] math I have as well === Zdra [n=zdra@193.213-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-037.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] shawarma, any more questions? :) [09:01] hey Zdra [09:02] pygi: I just took a peek at some existing packages. libtext-format-perl, for instance, has a "all rights reserved" bit in there, and also does not contain a COPYING nor LICENCE file. [09:02] hello pygi [09:02] shawarma, I really think *every* package has to have that [09:02] shawarma, it isn't connected to that particular bits [09:03] pygi: I know. I'm just saying. :) === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] pitti: Archive admin question for you: [09:03] 08:47 < shawarma> In theory, if someone were to upload a package with this copyright/license (last three lines): http://search.cpan.org/src/CFRANKS/Perl6-Junction-1.30000/README What would happen? === jonibo [n=jonas@ua-83-227-144-18.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] pitti: Also, the package (like many other perl packages, it seems) does not have a LICENSE or COPYING file or anything to that effect. [09:05] Zdra, If I manage to get around this segfault I'll show you something ^_^ === mvo [n=egon@p54A67C01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] shawarma: that's indeed invalid, and I reject such pacakges [09:16] shawarma: there must be a verbatim copyright text in the orig.tar.gz, and debian/copyright must either point to common-licenses, or also have a verbatim copy, or at least have a pointer to perl's installed copyright file [09:16] pygi: I'm curious :) [09:17] shawarma, told ya ^_^ [09:20] have a good weekend [09:20] lifeless, same ^_^ === amitk [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-113-187.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amitk [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] mvo: erk, why does gksu rely on the password prompt for determining whether the password was wrong; shouldn't it be enough to look for 'Sorry, try again.'? [09:28] pitti: it probably should === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:33] pitti: Ok, thanks. === pitti boggles [09:35] pitti: is there a bug open for this already? === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F7084A.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] mvo, he's gone :P [09:36] good morning [09:36] hey daniel [09:36] hey Mario === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.113.139] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-211-46.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] hi Tonio_ [09:53] Tonio_: do you know how kdesu works? I just found out that it never forgets my password (bug 88580) [09:53] Launchpad bug 88580 in kdebase "kdesu accept any password" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88580 [09:54] pitti: yes, kdesu is a mess [09:54] I already grepped my ~ and /tmp, and cannot find my password; where the heck is it stored? [09:54] pitti: in fact it doesn't remember the password so asks for it everytime [09:54] Tonio_: well, it asks every time, but it accepts any password [09:54] but if you already gave the good password a few minutes ago, a bad password will be accepted [09:55] Tonio_: but if I quit the desktop session, kill -15 -1, and log in again, it should be gone for good [09:55] and it isn't [09:55] pitti: I wouldn't consider this a security issue as a bad password is accepted when it shouldn't ask for a password [09:55] pitti: here is the point : http://www.launchpad.net/kdesudo [09:56] Tonio_: right, but the point is, it should ask for a password if I never entered it at all [09:56] pitti: a project I and other guys are working on to replace kdesu for gutsy === exodus [n=exodus@201.253.218.30] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] and after sudo -K and everything [09:56] pitti: that works better but needs improvement to replace kdesu fully (kcontrol etc...) [09:56] pitti: if we succeed, there is a plan to make a class for kdelibs to make it to work correctly with sudo [09:56] pitti: Perhaps kdesu doesn't use sudo as a backend, but implements it itself? === shawarma has no idea, though. [09:57] pitti: but that'll take time..... kdesu is very complex, there is no easy way to fix it, except replace the code [09:57] pitti: so the current plan is to replace kdesu in gutsy, hope we succeed === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] pitti: kdesudo already works correctly, just has problems when called within a kcm module, since it misses a few command line options [09:58] Tonio_: ah, I see, I still had a sudo stamp for it, so sorry for panicking; that apparently survives logout === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] pitti: well yes, the way kdesu works with sudo is a bit hackish.... [09:59] pitti: if you're interested in kdesudo, I'd appreciate your opinion reguarding the code concerning the security, as it'll have to go through the MIR process :) [10:00] at least I'm calmed down now again, seems it doesn't store my password anywhere :) [10:00] pitti: hehe :) [10:00] pitti: kdesu doesn't, indeed [10:00] it just asks for your passwords, then calls for sudo that doesn't require your password, so the bad password succeeds [10:01] evil isn't it ? ;) === amitk [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] pitti: btw kedsu will of course fail with any kind of custom sudoers file, for example if you want to give a simple user a "nopasswd" access to one command only [10:03] pitti: that's one of the many problems we have with it... === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] Lure: hey ;) [10:04] Lure: you know c++ right ? ;) [10:06] Tonio_: right [10:07] pitti: It's amazing. I've pulled out 10 lib*-perl packages at random to see how they've done their COPYING or LICENSE or whatever they'd felt like calling it.. *None* of them had one. === jonibo [n=jonas@ua-83-227-144-18.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] pitti: It seems libgnome2-perl has one, but that's only GPL-2 (not the usual "same terms as perl itself"). [10:08] Lure: we need people to help on the kdesudo part, which is important for gutsy :) [10:08] Lure: interested joining the team ? [10:09] Tonio_: I can look into this, but has very limited time in next couple of weeks [10:09] Lure: sure :) === kierzko [i=kierzko@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:09] Lure: well it is pretty advanced now, the currently point is to add all the command line options kdesu has, to make the replacement easy [10:10] Lure: you should joint the team on the launchpad project page :) [10:10] Tonio_: can you write down in e-mail what is there and what is to be done? [10:10] Lure: will do thanks [10:11] shawarma: yeah, that stuff is a mess; I wonder how all that passed Debian NEW === shawarma boggles [10:12] pitti: No idea. === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:19] mdke_: hi, what about ubuntu-docs updates for Ubuntu 7.04? (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2007-March/001039.html) [10:20] ("we will ensure that we do translation updates during the life of Ubuntu 7.04) === bonii [n=bonii@210.211.148.11] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] mvo: hm, I just looked into libgsku, doesn't seem to be that easy; do you know that code? [10:21] pitti: a bit [10:22] mvo: I'd like to upload http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/sudo.8556.debdiff, but that currently breaks gksu (it doesn't notice wrong passwords and just exists) [10:23] pitti: out of curiosity, does it work when you give it a message without a space in it? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] mvo: oh, I don't know, let me try [10:25] mvo: hmm, there's a g_strsplit() in the su handler, but not in the sudo one [10:26] mvo: indeed, that works === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] mvo: [sudo] _password_for_martin: -> that works [10:26] mvo: [sudo] password for martin: -> breaks === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-249.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo nods [10:29] pitti: I do not have the code in front of me currently, but I do remember that there is a lot of parsing and ugliness. I wish there was a simple protocol to talk to sudo [10:30] pitti: the trouble is that the current approach does e.g. not work with callange-response authentication methods in gksu === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:32] pitti: err, practically every perl module in existence has that boilerplate licence statement [10:32] pitti: are you going to reject several hundred packages from the archive? [10:33] pitti: it's entirely standard and well-understood in the Perl world [10:33] cjwatson: not from the archive of course, but I do reject such packages from NEW [10:33] shawarma: I would accept that provided that debian/copyright clarifies [10:33] that is standard practice [10:33] cjwatson: Remind me to upload on you archive-admin day, then :) [10:33] cjwatson: we essentially distribute orig.tar.gz's without any license at all [10:33] pitti: we really don't, it's completely clear [10:33] "under the same terms as Perl itself" is a licence [10:33] 'the perl license' is not a license, and it's not even a fully qualified pointer to a license [10:34] it may be a licence by reference, but it is a licence [10:34] it says that if the licensing of Perl changes then the licensing of this package does too *shrug* [10:34] it's not even clear that it is "perl, the programming language" instead of "perl, the hackish scirpt that pitti distributes on his homepage [10:34] oh, come on [10:34] cjwatson: right, but we are talking legalese here... [10:34] It's quite amazing. Out of 122 packages whose README has "same terms as" somewhere in it, only 10 packages have either a COPYING or LICENSE file. [10:35] it's totally obvious in the field, and I claim that any judge would agree with me [10:35] legalese does not have to be code [10:35] cjwatson: with common sense I agree to you, but with common sense we wouldn't need to be so picky about all the source new checking [10:35] cjwatson: so, of course I won't make a fuss about all the existing perl modules [10:35] we have so many examples of this that it should be grandfathered anyway [10:35] cjwatson: but there has been stuff in source new which was similar and refered to less prominent projects [10:36] and for new Ubuntu specific packages I just don't accept it [10:36] if you go and ask a Perl module upstream to change this they'll look at you like you were insane [10:36] because it is *not* *unclear* [10:36] I agree it needs to be clarified in debian/copyright, but really, that's all it should take [10:37] cjwatson: IMHO debian/copyright is much less important [10:37] we need to have a license for distributing the tar.gz; a pointer to perl in debian/copyright is fine since within a distro we know what perl is [10:38] within the IT industry we know what perl is [10:38] I think it is specious to claim otherwise, honestly === gpocentek [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] cjwatson: I already said that I won't make a fuss about perl [10:38] particularly since there is no other consistent referent; it is obvious that the software is designed to work with Perl, the programming language [10:38] but I did reject stuff that refered to less common projects and which was ubuntu specific === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A659D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] zakame: xmms2 FTBFSed on amd64, can you please have a look? I let it sit in the NEW queue for now === rulus [n=rulus_|@d54C1A033.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A64EF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] seb128: ping ? [11:07] Tonio_: hi [11:07] seb128: hi ;) [11:08] seb128: I'm attempting to package nm 0.6.5, we need it for kubuntu/knetworkmanager [11:08] Tonio_: great! [11:08] seb128: the gnome applet has been splitted from the source code, which means new package, revu process etc... [11:08] Tonio_: I'm happy to do it === Riddell wonders how much seb128 uses revu :) [11:08] seb128, pitti: is the complete process required, cause that'll take a lot of time to get the new package in [11:09] Riddell: I don't, I've no account there and I don't intend to create one [11:09] although I can NEW it now :) [11:09] Tonio_: *shrug* for my sake just upload it, and we'll review it in NEW [11:09] I get dholbach usually to add comments for me there :p [11:09] well [11:09] pitti: okay [11:09] does anyone know from the top of his head where i can adjust the keepalive time for tcpd ? [11:09] don't upload a n-m which drops the applet before packaging the new one [11:10] Tonio_: as long as it's a standard /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/gnome.mk package without much fuss and works, it shouldn't be too bad [11:10] seb128: of course, I'm not that stupid hehe ;) [11:10] I'll upload them at the same time [11:10] probably with the new knetworkmanager too [11:10] pitti: okay same process than with kde packaging in fact [11:10] seb128: why, the deb won't disappear automatically [11:11] pitti: the applet might not be compatible, 0.6.5 is a major change [11:11] Tonio_: ^ you can upload them independenty *as long* as they do not break the nm-applet <-> n-m daemon ABI [11:11] pitti: does the old applet work with the new version? [11:11] Tonio_: right, that's what I was aiming at [11:11] seb128: nevermind, see above [11:11] right [11:11] seb128: adunno at the moment [11:11] seb128: what I know is that the new applet won't work with the old backend [11:12] Tonio_: ok, so please uplaod the new gnome pkg first, with a strict enough dependency to network-manager [11:12] but as ascending and descending compatiblity are not the same problem, that might work, indeed [11:12] pitti: okay [11:12] if old applet works with new daemon, that's good [11:13] pitti: well I may have the new daemon package available soon, I might ping here for people to test [11:13] I'm glad to help with testing [11:13] I can do testing as well [11:13] great, thanks ;) I'll test the kde part [11:14] it's also important to test the vpn plugins.... [11:14] I don't have any sisco router to test vpnc, but I can test the openvpn part [11:14] can't help with that, sorry [11:15] me neither === cjwatson scratches his head over a reported crash due to the g_slice vs. g_thread_init thing in ubiquity, which is supposed to be non-threaded [11:17] cjwatson: The error message says that g_thread_init should be called before *any* other glib call.. [11:17] am I supposed to add gobject.threads_init() to the top of my program? [11:18] shawarma: it does, but the documentation says "Before you use a thread related function in GLib" [11:18] that's what I see for gksu as well === shawarma shrugs === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:18] but it seems to only be a warning and relevant if you use it at all [11:18] seb128: You seemed to know somethings about that? (the g_thread_init error thing) [11:19] pitti: well, ubiquity's segfaulting, which is kinda hard for a python program, so *something's* wrong :) [11:19] cjwatson: some gtk library probably uses it? [11:19] cjwatson: even import gtk; or import pygtk; will call glib functions so you can't call it as first glib function in python [11:19] slomo: Then *they* should call it. [11:19] there is some discussions upstream [11:19] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331853 [11:19] Gnome bug 331853 in general "Handle using gslice before g_thread_init() better" [Normal,Reopened] [11:19] shawarma: see the comments on the upstream bugreport and the list discussion :) [11:19] you can call g_thread_init() as a workaround for now [11:20] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2007-January/msg00005.html also [11:21] so, that's from January and reportedly breaking our installer in June, so I need to consider whether a workaround is available [11:23] cjwatson: yeah, we just upgraded to glib 2.13 some weeks ago [11:23] call g_thread_init() at the start of your program to fix it === munckfish [n=munckfis@217.150.115.62] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shawarma -> breakfast [11:36] seb128: sadly, http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2007-January/msg00035.html indicates that I cannot, because I call setlocale at various points through the program [11:36] Any Ubuntu sysadmin in here, familiar with the Sobby instance Ubuntu hosts? [11:36] though I guess if I never *create* threads ... === stratus [i=stratus@conference/debconf/x-d341b5942c33e13e] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:38] seb128: there is a fixed kio-umountwrapper waiting for you in new, if you have a moment [11:38] seb128: we need a MIR fo this for kubuntu, so it'd be nice to have people testing this in universe a bit before ^^ [11:38] cjwatson: don't you create a new thread every time you call gtk.main? (just a guess...) [11:39] Tonio_: will look into it [11:39] pkern: #canonical-sysadmin [11:40] Riddell: Thanks. [11:40] seb128: many thanks [11:40] you're welcome [11:42] blackskad: my understanding may be lacking, but I didn't think so. For example, the documentation of g_main_depth says "The main loop recursion level in the current thread" which implies that main loop recursion doesn't create threads [11:43] cjwatson, it shouldn't === azeem_ [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-19-74.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:51] slomo: 'import gobject; gobject.threads_init(); import pygtk' would be fine though, wouldn't it? === pochu [n=emilio@115.Red-88-27-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:52] cjwatson: no idea [11:53] slomo: actually, pygtk is fine; look at the module, it doesn't import gtik [11:53] gtk [11:57] cjwatson: do you use gnome-vfs or something that could make use of it like gtk fileselector? [11:57] because it's multi-threaded [11:58] cjwatson: I'm not sure that setlocale is really a problem [11:58] seb128: bug 106350 was handled in an SRU, but the gutsy task is still open; can that be closed? [11:58] Launchpad bug 106350 in metacity "Metacity crash corrupts future Gnome sessions" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106350 [12:00] pitti: closed [12:00] seb128: likewise for bug 107484 [12:00] Launchpad bug 107484 in control-center "Launch Music Player should be mapped to KEY_MEDIA (0xed in X)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107484 [12:01] siretart: can bug 104332 be closed in gutsy? (I think so, but I'd like to make sure) [12:01] Launchpad bug 104332 in rdesktop "Segmentation Fault (core dumped)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104332 [12:02] siretart: it was fixed in an SRU for feisty already [12:02] pitti: closed as well [12:02] thanks Seb! [12:02] you're welcome [12:02] seb128, you're getting a lot of thanks today :p [12:03] ;) === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [12:05] pitti, seb128: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp [12:05] seb128, mhm, let me ask you one question, so you can earn one more :) [12:05] pitti: new NM packages, untested, so if you want to check the old applet compatibility..... it's there [12:05] seb128, how sane is it to patch brasero so we'd update language pack for baltix folks? === azeem_ is now known as azeem [12:05] pygi: what do you mean? [12:06] seb128, well, baltix folks contacted me that translation to lithuanian (fix my spelling pls!) is a bit broken, and wondered whetever I could introduce a patch in the package [12:06] Tonio_: no new kio-umountwrapper in the queue [12:06] jdong, poke === pygi is out for some time ^_^ [12:09] seb128: hu ? pitti removed the old ones yesterday [12:09] the only one in the queue is 7 days old [12:09] orga got a momemnt? [12:09] 225218 | S- | kio-umountwrapper | 0.3-0ubuntu1 | seven days [12:09] moment even [12:09] Tonio_: that's the most recent one [12:09] seb128: okay can you drop that all ? I'll upload the new one after that [12:09] Tonio_: done [12:09] no need to drop anything you can just upload [12:10] pitti: maybe my yesterday's upload didn't reach NEW === lfittl [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:30:216:36ff:fe17:3cef] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] seb128: uploaded, should be in NEW [12:13] Tonio_: no [12:13] not yet, in 2 minutes [12:13] (packages are accepted every five minutes) [12:13] oki [12:13] seb128: xdg-user-dirs binary-NEWed [12:13] pitti: danke [12:13] pitti: you will get a MIR for it soon ;) [12:16] ompaul: You may have more luck if you also spell "ogra" correctly :) [12:17] shawarma: there is that ;-) there is always that [12:17] ogra got a momemnt? [12:17] hahaa === ompaul head desks === stratus [i=stratus@conference/debconf/x-b26c8f4a647c80c9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul sends a memo to self to remove multiple typos in one go, it should not be an iterative process [12:24] seb128: gnome-vfs> no === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD950906B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] Tonio_: kio-umountwrapper accepted [12:30] pitti: bug 114296 is an interesting point. Does restricted-manager write out a list of the packages it installs anywhere? [12:30] Launchpad bug 114296 in ubiquity "running restricted-manager before installation can break system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114296 [12:31] note that ubiquity copies the live session's xorg.conf to the installed system [12:32] cjwatson: right, I was just going to ask you about that === Oculus [n=oculus@pD9508838.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] ATM it doesn't write out a list, it has those hardcoded in the per-module handlers [12:34] cjwatson: if we want to make this work, I could add a small script that prints out that list [12:34] cjwatson: it's easy to write, it's just hackish and doesn't fit into the main restricted-manager binary [12:34] seb128: super, merci ! [12:35] de rien [12:35] cjwatson: right, or just put the list of installed packages in some log file if you prefer that [12:35] pitti: maybe something that prints out the list of packages that would need to be installed in order to fit the current configuration (disclaimer: I have never looked at restricted-manager) [12:35] pitti: a log file could be trickier if restricted-manager were run multiple times [12:36] cjwatson: right, let's call it 'status file' [12:36] cjwatson: but that's specific to X.org drivers anyway, right? [12:36] since we don't copy other files, such as installed firmware bits [12:37] no, though we should carry over the list of packages you requested in restricted-manager anyway [12:37] and what we copy now isn't necessarily exactly what we ought to copy ... [12:37] pitti: I've created a bug task on r-m [12:38] cjwatson: ATM, writing the list of installed packages is identical to list of installed X.org driver packages, but that will change soon [12:39] an interesting use case is e. g. installing the vmware guest tools into a running live system in vmware [12:39] (we don't have them yet, but that was the idea) [12:39] cjwatson: so, that's easy to maintain as well, just a different function in the code [12:39] cjwatson: something like /var/cache/restricted-manager/installed-packages ? === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] cjwatson: bug updated and milestoned === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-65.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host44-131-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] pitti: in fact, there's an even neater option [12:48] pitti: restricted-manager could ship a hook script in /usr/lib/ubiquity/target-config/ that just does whatever's necessary [12:48] cjwatson: indeed [12:48] pitti: it can call 'apt-install ' (note: *not* a typo for 'apt-get install') to ensure that remains installed [12:48] or is installed off the CD [12:49] cjwatson: I like that, avoids special-casing ubiquity for r-m [12:49] yeah, and avoids needing to create another interface [12:49] cjwatson: files in there are just executables? or are there any other form requirements? [12:50] cjwatson: i. e. could it be a Python script? === shiyee [n=Shiyee@0x535d64e6.abnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] pitti: arbitrary executables; you can query the debconf database, but please don't use INPUT or GO; it doesn't check exit code at the moment, but please exit 0 on success obviously [12:51] right, no need for debconf for me [12:51] oh and since it's connected to debconf please don't output stuff to stdout [12:51] good point, thanks [12:51] 3 [12:51] stderr is fine and will end up in syslog [12:52] I'll update the bug [12:52] (already doing so) [12:52] pitti: go ahead then, please reject the ubiquity task [12:53] done; I think I noted everything important [12:53] cjwatson: apt-install is just in $PATH in the context of those scripts? [12:55] pitti: yeah [12:55] it's in /usr/lib/ubiquity/compat but that's an internal detail [12:56] pitti: oh, you're right. closing it now! [12:56] doko: do you have any idea about http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/glom.ftbfs ? [12:56] siretart: thanks [12:57] pitti: note that it won't be able to install packages from the network, though [12:57] just stuff on the livefs or on the apt archive on the CD [12:57] % grep -c '====' debian/patches/99-update-autoconf.dpatch [12:57] 540 === StevenK sobs [12:57] cjwatson: hm, good point; I just call synaptics ATM [12:58] StevenK: Which package? [12:58] cjwatson: however, it shouldn't matter, I think; you cannot activate e. g. fglrx on the live system for the same reason [12:58] StevenK: what's the problem with the patch? [12:58] cjwatson: I'll look at that [12:59] shawarma: cyrus-imapd-2.2 [12:59] dholbach: It's from a MoM-merge. 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[01:05] pitti: *cough* sure [01:05] mvo: 'k, rejecting the current one then; it's fine otherwise [01:05] mvo: (so please reuse the version number) === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A644B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shiyee [n=Shiyee@0x535d64e6.abnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] pitti: thanks, new version uploaded === StevenK glares at dpatch-edit-patch. *Why* are you running debian/rules configure? [01:10] mvo_: it doesn't, usually that's a horribly broken debian/rules clean [01:10] I saw packages which need some five minutes to clean just because they think they need to run configure for that === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] pitti: I'm over here. :-P Yeah, I found it. clean-patched depends on configure for some screwed reason. 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