[12:27] <katkin> hi all, I'm new to Canonical this week and I join Gerry as a Marketing Manager, just wanted to say hello and introduce myself!
[12:27] <Tm_T> hello and welcome (:
[12:27] <juliux> hello and welcome katkin 
[12:29] <katkin> So I'm still getting to grips with everything here. One of my objectives will be to work with you guys and keep in close contact with the kind of things that we're up to in Marketing and gather feedback/learnings from you all
[12:35] <Tm_T> we usually count moles from each other
[12:35] <Tm_T> like good old people should
[12:49] <katkin> moles? it might be a british thing, but I'm not sure what you mean?
[12:54] <Tm_T> dark spot in skin
[12:54] <Tm_T> you get them a lot when you reach our age
[12:55] <Tm_T> like, 80 or more
[12:57] <katkin> fair enough, just wasn't sure whether it was a euphamism for something . . . that's my lateral brain working overtime. Today I learnt of the phrase 'herding cats'
[01:04] <katkin> there is one thing I wanted to ask you guys
[01:04] <katkin> We have an e-mail blast about Ubuntu Live that has been put together by O'Reilly
[01:05] <katkin> It talks about an offer whereby people can save $150 if they register before June 18
[01:06] <katkin> Plus it has lots of info about Ubuntu Live, the sessions that will be running etc. What opportunities would there be for us to send this out that won't seem like over-promotion?
[01:47] <elkbuntu> katkin, you've been talking to Lord Bacon then, I presume?
[01:48] <katkin> a little bit yes, the e-mail came over from O'Reilly this morning and Jane has been asking where we can send it to spread the good word
[01:50] <elkbuntu> katkin, (ab)using a press contacts list would seem like a good start to me
[01:50] <katkin> okey dokey, is that something that you can all do?
[01:51] <elkbuntu> katkin, well... we dont exactly have a press contacts list
[01:51] <katkin> ah
[01:51] <elkbuntu> I was referring to the one canonical shoots press releases through
[01:52] <katkin> are there other people that you guys contact from the community to give them Ubuntu updates/news?
[01:52] <katkin> OK, I think that has already been covered off, but I will double check that the e-mail will go to them
[01:53] <elkbuntu> that's probably your best way, the other is getting bloggers to blog about it
[01:57] <juliux> katkin, perhaps it is a stupid question but why the community should support ubuntu live? i readed the website and for me it looks like a commercial conferenz 
[01:59] <katkin> juliux: good question, as I'm new I'm not entirely sure of the answer. I will check with Gerry and Jono though to see what their thoughts are. 
[02:00] <juliux> katkin, thxs a lot
[02:13] <elkbuntu> i'd hazard a guess that community support of the conference would represent positive interest from potential consumers
[02:16] <elkbuntu> the community are the ones that theoretically work in potential client organisations, and building trust with those community members could be a key 'foot in the door' in terms of product and service choice
[02:17] <juliux> elkbuntu, you are right but that means that the community have to make marketing support for a commercial event ?
[02:17] <elkbuntu> what do you mean by 'make marketing support'?
[02:18] <juliux> elkbuntu, oh wrong words
[02:18] <juliux> i mean community marketing
[02:19] <juliux> why should we spread that there is a commercial conferenc where you have to pay more then 200$ entrance fee
[02:19] <elkbuntu> juliux, community marketing and canonical marketing are basically on the same team, and in Open Source, Teamwork Matters 
[02:20] <juliux> elkbuntu, yes normaly but ubuntu live is not opensource
[02:20] <juliux> elkbuntu, it is right for the normal ubuntu marketing
[02:20] <juliux> elkbuntu, but that doesn t mean that we support everthing that have the ubuntu name or logo on it
[02:21] <jenda> juliux: any news?
[02:21] <juliux> jenda, not yet
[02:21] <elkbuntu> no, we dont support everything that has the name or logo, we support the common goal that is to be achieved
[02:21] <jenda> juliux: :(
[02:21] <elkbuntu> jenda, what's the go with these pins?
[02:22] <jenda> juliux: when will you know? I'll have serious ticket-related trouble if the bus is full when you tell me.
[02:22] <juliux> jenda, i am sorry but i dont know
[02:22] <jenda> elkbuntu: well, it's actually doko's business, so I'm waiting for his spec
[02:22] <jenda> juliux: ok
[02:22] <jenda> juliux: I'll have to live with it :)
[02:23] <juliux> jenda, i am sorry for that, but i need this "job"
[02:23] <jenda> juliux: I don't blame you :)
[02:23] <elkbuntu> jenda, see PM
[02:23] <jenda> I see it
[02:24] <juliux> jenda, puhhh
[02:24] <jenda> elkbuntu: wow, that's cheap
[02:24] <jenda> elkbuntu: but not embossed :)
[02:25] <elkbuntu> doko is getting embossed ones?
[02:25] <jenda> yep
[02:25] <jenda> elkbuntu: whoa - ale those things _paper_?
[02:25] <elkbuntu> jenda, no, it just means paper behind the laminate
[02:26] <elkbuntu> the 'acetate' ones are the image printed on the laminate
[02:26] <jenda> aha
[02:26] <jenda> well, I'm sure I can get much better quality.
[02:26] <jenda> I'll know for sure in July when I get doko's spec and the quote from the printer.
[02:27] <elkbuntu> jenda, im going to get some done seperately for a few events such as Software Freedom Day, etc
[02:27] <jenda> elkbuntu: as you wish
[02:27] <elkbuntu> jenda, well, it's a matter of economy when goodies come out of my pocket :
[02:27] <Tm_T> goodies!
[02:28] <jenda> elkbuntu: and you'll come out cheaper that way?
[02:29] <jenda> elkbuntu: I'll see if I can get below their price
[02:29] <elkbuntu> jenda, unless doko's embossed ones come out at US$0.20 each for me, yes
[02:29] <jenda> elkbuntu: since he's thinking of getting 5000 or even 10000, they very likely will be.
[02:30] <elkbuntu> jenda, well, im also after more than just LoCo ones anyway
[02:30] <elkbuntu> err, s/LoCo/Ubuntu/
[02:30] <jenda> what's that mean?
[02:30] <jenda> such as free software ones?
[02:31] <elkbuntu> as in, im considering getting Ubuntu ones, Ubuntu-Au ones, LUG ones and AussieChix (.au linuxchix) ones
[02:33] <gerry> juliux: how's it going? 
[02:33] <juliux> gerry, not do bad
[02:33] <jenda> hello gerry 
[02:34] <gerry> jenda
[02:34] <juliux> gerry, its a little bit too hot here;
[02:34] <gerry> you seem wound up? 
[02:34] <gerry> it's a conference not the death star we're trying to build
[02:34] <gerry> and we might have something very special for the community members to announce next week
[02:35] <gerry> wrt to ubuntu live
[02:35] <jenda> elkbuntu: careful with fragmenting branding to loco-team branding instead of ubuntu's branding
[02:35] <jenda> gerry: wound up?
[02:35] <gerry> excited
[02:35] <elkbuntu> gerry, free teleportation machines for poor suckers stuck in places like Australia?
[02:35] <jenda> elkbuntu: :)
[02:36] <juliux> gerry, but i get most of the speakers for free on other conferences like guadec, ubucon or linuxtag
[02:36] <jenda> gerry: I am only very embarassed I promissed you an announcement which never happened :)
[02:36] <gerry> yeah well you're right it's not going to suit everyone
[02:36] <gerry> not in portland
[02:36] <gerry> or at least the west coast
[02:37] <gerry> jenda: all is forgiven
[02:37] <juliux> gerry, i think it is ok to have this conferences but i don t understand why the community shoudl support that conferenc
[02:37] <jenda> gerry: :)
[02:37] <elkbuntu> well, with having no stable income, involuntary conference attending limits are probably for the the best
[02:37] <gerry> juliux: when i was in school we used to have to write AMDG on all our school work
[02:38] <gerry> it means Ad Maoriem Dei Gloriam 
[02:38] <gerry> To the Greater honour and Glory of God 
[02:39] <gerry> Ubuntu Live is for the greater glory of Ubuntu
[02:39] <gerry> we're spreading the word into newer communities/business communities 
[02:39] <gerry> we're not doing it to make money
[02:39] <gerry> AMDU
[02:39] <gerry> oh hand on
[02:40] <gerry> AMUG
[02:40] <jenda> gerry: I have no doubts about the good intentions - and the benefits for Ubuntu of having the conference.
[02:41] <gerry> i'll let you guys decide
[02:41] <elkbuntu> well, without the community, the companies don't see the whole picture.
[02:41] <juliux> gerry, i see all the good points, but i can t understand why we the community should make marketing for it
[02:41] <gerry> i would like to send the email to ubuntu-news and post it on the cafe 
[02:41] <gerry> that's all
[02:42] <elkbuntu> juliux, he's not asking for your soul
[02:42] <elkbuntu> that comes later
[02:42] <gerry> i don't expect any other support beyond that
[02:42] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: no need to ask, just take (;
[02:42] <elkbuntu> w00t
[02:43] <gerry> juliux: is there other marketing you think i might mean? 
[02:43] <Tm_T> ok, that was third time today, I'm getting bored
[02:43] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, you regenerate souls?!
[02:43] <Tm_T> that too
[02:43] <elkbuntu> w00t x2
[02:43] <juliux> elkbuntu, for me ubuntu live is a commercial conferenc with a business background, and so i think that this has nothing todo with community
[02:43] <Tm_T> but I rather keep some in stock
[02:44] <Tm_T> go, take them all
[02:44] <elkbuntu> sweeeeet!
[02:45] <Tm_T> touche!
[02:45] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, i'm not sure you'd find one there ;)
[02:45] <Tm_T> well I did
[02:45] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, all black and withered up?
[02:45] <Tm_T> but with wash and feeding it'll make a good meal
[02:46] <elkbuntu> lol
[02:48] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: hey, I think we createda new hobby, soul exchanging
[02:48] <elkbuntu> hehehe
[02:48] <elkbuntu> and probably successfully weirded out the marketing gurus
[02:48] <Tm_T> "mine is worth of two yours"
[02:48] <Mike_F> hello; would like to ask a open question ?
[02:48] <gerry> is it just me or have we gone off the point a little?
[02:49] <Tm_T> "if I get yours, you get mine and some peanuts"
[02:49] <Tm_T> gerry: point -> .
[02:49] <elkbuntu> gerry, you're new here, aren't you ;)
[02:49] <gerry> i haven't seen this much soul since the heyday of Stax
[02:49] <Tm_T> Mike_F: yes?
[02:49] <Mike_F> i am confused about the licensing and trademark use of ubuntu
[02:50] <elkbuntu> gerry, keeping channels on-topic is so much a challenge that it would require several people to work full-time to keep all the Ubuntu channels on track
[02:51] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: I thought souls are on-topic here
[02:51] <Tm_T> we are talking about marketing afterall
[02:51] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, other people's souls, sure
[02:52] <Tm_T> that's what I thought (;
[02:53] <Mike_F> My question is if I need to charge money for my time, how can use the word "ubuntu" in anything.
[02:54] <Mike_F> the word "linux" is okay under the fair use provisions set by Lunis
[02:54] <Tm_T> Lunis?
[02:55] <Mike_F> Sorry bad spelling the people who maintiance the Linux(r) mark
[02:55] <elkbuntu> Mike_F, asking trademarks@ubuntu.com is probably your best bet for knowing for sure
[02:55] <Tm_T> Mike_F: Linus Torvalds you mean?
[02:55] <Mike_F> TmT yes
[02:55] <Tm_T> oki
[02:55] <elkbuntu> unless gerry knows
[02:56] <Mike_F> If I use offical CD's Leaflets etc, that's okay of coursr
[02:56] <jenda> I'm sorry, I have to run now.
[02:56] <Tm_T> jenda: have a good run (:
[02:56] <jenda> gerry: please see the email I wrote - you didn't send me the entire announcement. When you do, I'll edit my thread.
[02:56] <jenda> gerry: Ryan should put the announcement up soon.
[02:57] <jenda> gerry! gerry! gerry!
[02:57] <jenda> Look to the forums :)
[02:57] <jenda> it's live.
[02:58] <jenda> kicking and screaming... in everyones face.
[02:58] <jenda> now... /me runs
[02:58] <Mike_F> I don't mind paying the dime to talk to someone at Cannicol I am not big on one sided conversations for these like this
[02:58] <Mike_F> man my tpying: is bad: things like this
[02:59] <gerry> i'm back
[02:59] <gerry> ok jenda - will check and resend
[02:59] <gerry> what's the question on trademarks? 
 My question is if I need to charge money for my time, how can use the word "ubuntu" in anything.
[03:00] <Mike_F> okay I am a computer consultant and I work like to use the word ubuntu since it's the best Linux around today
[03:00] <Mike_F> would like to use the word .. .
[03:01] <Mike_F> sorry for the lazy typing
[03:01] <Mike_F> elkbuntu: yes
[03:01] <Mike_F> I have a problem I need money to live
[03:03] <elkbuntu> Mike_F, most of us have that problem
[03:03] <Mike_F> Of course
[03:03] <elkbuntu> it's quite a sucky problem too ;)
[03:03] <Mike_F> I buy lottery tickets
[03:04] <gerry> hi Mike_F 
[03:04] <Mike_F> hello gerry
[03:04] <gerry> as long as you are not representing that you are FROM Ubuntu or Canonical 
[03:04] <gerry> then there is no problem in saying you do consulting on ubuntu
[03:04] <gerry> it's a skill set
[03:05] <gerry> we want people to be able to find skilled services in their area 
[03:05] <Mike_F> I thought that was the case, but if you read the trademark policy on the website it excludes all commerical usage of the mark with out asking
[03:06] <gerry> if you built a product on ubuntu that you sold or used it on merchandise
[03:06] <gerry> or indeed called yourself The Ubuntu Guy Conulting Group
[03:06] <gerry> then we would have a problem
[03:07] <Mike_F> Of course, I would even think of doing that
[03:07] <Mike_F> wouldn't think of doing that
[03:07] <Mike_F> programmers are lazy typers please bear with me
[03:08] <Mike_F> what about flash sticks with ubuntu
[03:08] <Mike_F> Could I change for them to recover media costs and call them "ubuntu sticks"
[03:09] <gerry> not really
[03:10] <Mike_F> The name of my business is my proper name computing solutions
[03:10] <gerry> that would look like Ubuntu Certified materials 
[03:11] <gerry> i mean you can do it but don't call them Ubuntu Sticks
[03:11] <gerry> or work with these guys
[03:11] <Mike_F> Okay I see want you mean
[03:11] <Mike_F> They can be "Linux Sticks" that contain Ubuntu Linux
[03:12] <Mike_F> and I can say ubuntu and of course give the proper creidt for ownership of the mark
[03:14] <Mike_F> To tell the truth, I would call them anything that you say is okay 
[03:15] <Mike_F> gerry: I am missing the context of "or work with these guys"
[03:17] <gerry> forget "work woth these guys" typing an thinking
[03:17] <gerry> as in i was typing what i was thinking
[03:17] <Mike_F> okay
[03:18] <Mike_F> gerry: are you the marking manager Gerry Carr
[03:18] <gerry> as long as it is clear that these sticks are Mike F production and not Canonical/Ubuntu then you can call them whatmakes sense
[03:18] <gerry> i am yes
[03:18] <Mike_F> Thank you
[03:18] <Tm_T> Hi Yes
[03:19] <Mike_F> Nice to talk to you
[03:19] <gerry> talking of which I better get back to building the Death Star :)
[03:19] <gerry> juliux: your passion is always appreciated: keeping it real
[03:19] <gerry> imean it
[03:19] <gerry> i mean it
[03:20] <gerry> ciao
[03:20] <Mike_F> One more thing, What to I say to people when they ask why is ubuntu free ?
[03:20] <Tm_T> because we love it so much?
[03:20] <juliux> gerry, thxs
[03:20] <juliux> gerry, i will do my very best
[03:21] <gerry> why is it free? 
[03:21] <gerry> because it's open source 
[03:21] <gerry> it's the result of the efforts of thousands of people and no-one can charge for that 
[03:21] <Tm_T> gerry: and then you end up explaining what's OSS is
[03:21] <Tm_T> (;
[03:21] <juliux> Mike_F, only section restricted is not opensource
[03:21] <Mike_F> I go to a lot of Chamber of Commerce type things and when I hand people the disk often that is the first question
[03:22] <Mike_F> They have no clue what open source means
[03:22] <Mike_F> They don't even know they are really paying for windows half the time
[03:24] <Mike_F> Telling them that it's a result of the efforts of thousands of independent professionals does work most of the time
[03:25] <Mike_F> But they are still confused
[03:25] <Tm_T> Mike_F: volunteer work
[03:25] <Tm_T> that'll explain a bit of it
[03:25] <Mike_F> Volunteer work is good
[03:26] <Tm_T> whole OSS culture is shock for many people
[03:26] <Tm_T> idea of free and open, err, world? because there's no boundaries like in normal company/companies
[03:27] <Tm_T> free as in speech, money is irrelevant
[03:27] <Mike_F> No fooling,  All the licenses required for six computers to do everything could do for free from MS
[03:27] <Mike_F> It was over $7000, That was starting to break some ground
[03:28] <Tm_T> heh
[03:28] <Mike_F> And that was the best price from a deep discount online  store
[03:29] <Mike_F> Server2003, cals, termianl services cals, SQL,  . . . (ad nasuem)
[03:30] <Mike_F> But You are Right the Freedom Thing is not important
[03:30] <Mike_F> Our Bill of Rights, gives us here the right to say anything
[03:31] <Tm_T> I mean freedom is essential, money is secondary
[03:31] <Tm_T> or in my case, matters nearly nothing
[03:32] <Mike_F> Thak I got to check last nights lottery ticket
[03:33] <Mike_F> Hey here is one for the marketing group should I call the flash sticks
[03:33] <Mike_F> A Penguin On A Stick
[03:33] <Mike_F> Maybe not, it sounds like food
[03:34] <Mike_F> On that note, Good Day People
[03:34] <Tm_T> but not me?
[03:34] <Tm_T> you hu-mans are funny
[08:53] <gibsonma3> HELLO
[08:53] <juliux> hi gibsonma3 
[08:54] <gibsonma3> i AM NEW TO UBUNTU
[08:54] <juliux> why are you crying?
[08:54] <gibsonma3> how do you listen to streaming audio?
[08:54] <juliux> gibsonma3, this is the marketing channel support you can get in #ubuntu
[08:55] <gibsonma3> where is that at
[08:55] <juliux> gibsonma3, /join #ubuntu
[08:55] <gibsonma3> do you do that from where I'm at now...I don't know how
[08:56] <juliux> gibsonma3, just type /join #ubuntu