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#ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:29] @schedule paris [11:29] Schedule for Europe/Paris: 16 Jun 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 21:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 20:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === johang [n=johan@h145n2c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === pochu [n=emilio@115.Red-88-27-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lfittl [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:30:216:36ff:fe17:3cef] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === profoX` [n=wesley@d54C0E764.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:16] @schedule london [12:16] Schedule for Europe/London: 16 Jun 18:00: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 20:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 21:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 19:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 21:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team === mbudde [n=mbudde@0x57344dc2.boanxx21.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@p54A64A2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A644B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A66FDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === besonen_mobile__ [n=besonen_@71-220-233-253.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@p54A644F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A64D91.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:31] @now [01:31] !now [01:32] Current time in Etc/UTC: June 15 2007, 11:32:11 - Next meeting: Xubuntu Developers in 1 day [01:32] Sorry, I don't know anything about now - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi === ranf [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-098-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A6690A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 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[02:59] Hi Hobbsee [02:59] :) [03:00] Hi Hobbsee [03:00] o/ [03:00] Hi Hobbsee === statik [n=emurphy@canonical/launchpad/statik] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:00] :) [03:00] I'll be running off Real Soon Now[tm] , though. === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:01] shawarma: looking at the agenda, it should be a short meeting [03:01] Not short enough. :) === Hobbsee looks for the agenda and such [03:02] if we have no chair, it doenst look like much of a meeting anyway [03:03] Hobbsee: You could chair :) === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:04] persia: i could, but i dont know the agenda === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A6541E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:05] Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings :) [03:05] Meeting Agenda is available from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings. First item appears to be clamav. [03:05] geser: -EJUSTGOTHOMEFROMWORK === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:08] okay, anyone got any thoughts about what to do with clamav then? [03:10] is there a page (or mail) which summerizes the problems? [03:10] I remember that libclamav has over 20 rdepends [03:11] I think the agenda item was added as a prod due to the lack of a coherent plan since the last meeting. Perhaps someone should be assigned to document a plan for review by the next meeting? === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:16] iirc, it was suggested when ScottK added the item that it be discussed on the mailing list when he's around to give background and drive the discussion better === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === persia moves that the agenda be advanced to "other business" in the absence of a clamav advocate. [03:19] Seconded. === mvo [n=egon@p54A66C67.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:19] other business: taking over the wold. [03:19] and finding mvo a better connection. [03:19] Hobbsee: NO FUN [03:19] :) === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:20] :P [03:20] I think Telstra could provide a slightly better one. === StevenK hides. [03:21] In other business, I'd like to thank the members of the U-U-S team for following the new procedure, and keeping the queue size generally in single digits in the last week. === bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:23] haha [03:23] persia: yay! === Hobbsee is just the bad leader, and hasnt touched it. === StevenK is the bad leader-follower and also hasn't. [03:24] Anyway, Hobbsee and I are now -core-devs and are above such things. [03:24] Ahem, or something. [03:24] hah === Hobbsee may be core dev, but is still interested in MOTU stuff. [03:24] Same. :-) === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === persia moves that the agenda be advanced to "agree on date and time of next meeting" [03:25] In two weeks? [03:25] Maybe a few hours earlier? [03:26] 2007/06/29:11:00? [03:26] Sounds fine to me. [03:26] Anyone else? [03:26] +00? [03:26] AndyP: Right. Sorry. Yes, that's what I meant. [03:27] AndyP: I was assuming UTC, given it's 13:30UTC currently [03:27] ok, just being pedantic :) [03:27] assuming i'm not working, that's fine. *shrugs* === persia pokes the chair to solicit objections and finalise the meeting time [03:28] There's a chair? [03:28] i'd like to see a more concrete agenda and such - poke the ML earlier about the meeting, call for topics, etc [03:29] Make sure that people that are responsible for agenda items actually turn up? :-) === persia volunteers to send a "Call for topics" mail on 24 June. [03:29] there was a meeting? :D [03:29] zakame: You blinked and missed it. [03:29] persia: even a week before. *shrusg* [03:29] Hobbsee: That is a week before. === persia volunteers to send a "Call for topics" mail on 22nd June instead. [03:30] 5 days, unless my maths is crap :P [03:30] heh, right. [03:30] lol === beuno [i=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === persia requests accession to the suggested meeting time [03:32] +1 [03:32] +1 [03:33] +1 [03:33] +1 [03:34] done. === persia moves that the agenda be advanced to "agree on date and time of next Universe HUG DAY" === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A678CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:36] i think that was decided in yesterdays' distro meeting, wasnt it? === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [03:37] I thought that was for main. Is there not a separate special Universe HUG DAY? If not, perhaps it doesn't need to be in the standing agenda items. [03:38] dunno. do we want a separate one? [03:38] i guess the more hugdays we have, the more bugs we lose [03:38] any reason why have a separate one? [03:38] oh, that [03:40] Would anyone volunteer to run one? If we're counting on the bugsquad, I think we're limited by their schedule. Prep would be generating lists of interesting bugs (like for other Hug Days), and promoting it. [03:41] bugsquad does, or should contain a lot of us anyway === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:44] which interesting bugs, in the first place? === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A67640.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:44] Hi all === evand [n=evand@ubuntu/member/evand] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [03:44] heya DarkSun88 [03:44] Hi zakame [03:44] Hobbsee: RIght, but if we're going to run a MOTU Universe Bug Day, we should generate the lists. Otherwise, it's not worth being separate: we're just creating work for those who schedule the normal bug days. [03:45] zakame: drafters choice, really. Themes are fun. [03:45] persia: what kind of lists, though? ie, what things do we want to target? === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Sto] === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:46] Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070530 and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20070613 are recent lists for standard bug days. What bugs do MOTUs want fixed? [03:46] all of them! === persia thinks unmet deps might be a good one [03:47] it's still a bit early - i'd target them later [03:47] Hobbsee: Yes, but that doesn't work well for trying to make a page green, and seeing real progress :( [03:47] unconfirmed bugs, i suspect [03:49] What about 'packaging' and 'upgrade' ? === pochu waves [03:49] bugs tagged with packaging, bitesize, upgrade, ftbfs and unmetdeps, maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs [03:49] Are there any volunteers to prepare a list of bugs to target? The specific categories could be agreed in later discussion (we only have 10 minutes left, and aren't done with the agenda) === persia seconds AndyP [03:49] i dont see how ftbfs bugs are useful to do, before upstream version freeze and such [03:50] Hobbsee: Because then we don't have to do them later :) [03:50] +1 for mailing list. when do we want to do a REVU day? [03:50] (usually) [03:50] persia: deps will change with package changes === pochu [n=emilio@211.Red-88-11-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@p54A648A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:52] i think those bug lists carry the ulterior motive of introducing new contributors, which is the ulterior motive of the universe hug day [03:53] I'd agree to that, and would like to see more people learning how to update dependencies, track down build failures, and investigate crash reports. [03:53] actually, bughelper's learning mroe stuff now. so we could go thru and use that [03:53] teach everyone how to use it [03:55] So anyway, there's effort to decide how to manage Universe HUG Day. I propose that MOTU/Bugs be used as a base, that interested parties edit this in the meantime, and that 23rd June be Universe HUG DAY. [03:55] (all 49.5 hours of 23rd June) [03:55] interesting [03:56] cool === persia moves that the agenda quickly be advanced to "agree on date and time of next meeting MOTU Q&A sessions" so that meeting does not run over. [03:57] I missed the last one, how did it go? [03:57] StevenK: I (perhaps mis-) interpreted "cool" as "proposal accepted, and so agreeed". [03:58] persia: I didn't say 'cool', Hobbsee did [03:58] StevenK: Right. Hobbsee's chair :) [04:00] persia: i think StevenK meant how did the last Q&A session go :) [04:00] Right. [04:00] My apologies then. === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A66F32.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A660F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:02] Right. Did anyone present attend one of the recent MOTU Q&A sessions? If so, could you please summarise the event, and whether it seemed to work well? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@p54A64B2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:05] OK. I suggest that no MOTU Q&A sessions be scheduled due to lack of interest. Interested parties should announce the intent to schedule on ubuntu-motu@l.u.c and ubuntu-mentors@l.u.c with a schedule, as they find most convenient. === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === herstail [n=huahua@221.201.56.21] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:07] persia: it might be schedule conflicts rather than lack of interest. At least it was in my case. [04:07] tritium: When would work for you? [04:08] persia: as much as I work, and especially travel, I wouldn't worry about my schedule, really. [04:09] persia: I'm at UTC - 6, though [04:09] tritium: Perhaps I was unclear above, I seek only to move the agenda: if nobody has sufficient interest in MOTU Q&A sessions to propose a time, I don't believe this meeting can establish a time for the next session. [04:10] ah, right [04:10] hi, sorry for being late [04:11] Hi dholbach: We're currently on "agree on date and time of next meeting MOTU Q&A sessions". [04:12] what about in two weeks same time? [04:12] did 0 utc and 12 utc work ok? [04:13] no objections :) === persia seconds dholbach's suggestion [04:13] ok super - so that'd be july 28th? 0 and 12 utc? === dholbach will announce it later [04:15] any other business? [04:16] again... sorry for being late, I'll read up on the backlog and mail if there's anything to follow up [04:16] thanks everybody for turning up :) [04:16] dholbach: Other business was earlier. [04:16] Anyone want to draft minutes? === persia drafts the minutes [04:19] thanks a lot persia === persia moves the meeting be concluded [04:20] thanks everybody === Hobbsee drafts persia, and clones him, over and over. [04:22] Hobbsee: :) [04:23] yay, many persias running around! === persia suggests that would be farsicial [sic] , and hides. === Hobbsee watches to make sure they dont kill each other off === ranf_ [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-152-073.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=jack@p508DAD5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === silwol [n=silwol@teacheradsl241.eduhi.at] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === geser [i=mb@ubuntu/member/geser] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Liberate] === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.41] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === silwol [n=silwol@teacheradsl241.eduhi.at] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack_ [n=jack@p508D9808.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Adri2000_ [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack_ [n=jack@p508DA029.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack__ [n=jack@p508D9FCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-174-101.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === beuno [i=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === beuno [i=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === beuno [i=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === arualavi [n=Iva@84.76.94.4] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44349.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === coreymon77 [n=coreymon@unaffiliated/coreymon77] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pochu [n=emilio@182.Red-83-59-170.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pochu [n=emilio@182.Red-83-59-170.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:33] wow the community council meeting still isnt announced? === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:37] tis already half way thorugh the month [07:39] @schedule chicago [07:39] ? === nixternal strangles ubotu [07:39] Schedule for America/Chicago: 16 Jun 12:00: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 14:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 15:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 13:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team [07:40] thats all well and good, but im talking about the communty council, you knwo, to become a member? [07:40] im leaving to camp on july 3rd and i want to be able to get this done before that [07:40] dunno what their schedule is like..I was trying to find out meeting times coming up [07:41] im still waiting on the metting announcement [07:43] coreymon77: dholbach said it'd be announced next week, so please be patient :) [07:43] okay === Adri2000 [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=jack@p508D9945.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@h59ec0f85.c45-01-03.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Riddelll [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Adri2000 [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === statik [n=emurphy@canonical/launchpad/statik] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-84-29.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-107-084.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === myriam_rs [n=myriam_r@156-233.cable.senselan.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=jack@p508DB91D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === bashelier [n=bashelie@srv122.hosteur.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Adri2000 [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Adri2000_ [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === greg_g [n=greg@adsl-69-212-43-246.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-041-230.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === viktor [n=viktor@c-aae2e455.04-181-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === greg_g [n=greg@adsl-69-212-43-246.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting