[01:45] <moimart> whois data
[01:58] <peanutb> ok i just installed gutsy, how would i start the ubuntu-mobile gui? (i installed the ubuntu-mobile meta package) or am i missing something?
[02:05] <sabotage> I've managed to start the UI, but it looks like crap because none of the theme files seem to be installed (icons/backgrounds/etc...)
[02:08] <peanutb> sabotage, how do you start the ui
[02:08] <sabotage> I confirmed that hildon-theme-plankton is installed
[02:08] <sabotage> need to follow instructions in the email sent earlier
[02:08] <sabotage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonDesktopManualProcedure
[02:09] <peanutb> ohh thanks
[02:09] <sabotage> run Xephyr, dbus-launch, and script (or similar process) and you'll get something at least
[02:11] <sabotage> last week I was running xfce4 (wm/desktop/panel) with the "dark" theme and various apps and it was looking quite nice.  
[02:11] <sabotage> I'm anxious to see hildon up and running
[02:14] <peanutb> so im going to try to.
[02:16] <peanutb> hmm its going to take a while
[02:16] <peanutb> and i gtg
[02:20] <sabotage> I've posted the output from running my start script (c-n-p from the Wiki) here: http://pastebin.com/929288
[02:20] <sabotage> obvious things that apper wrong are:
[02:21] <sabotage> ** (hildon-desktop:4272): WARNING **: Failed to open connection to bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[02:21] <sabotage> so my dbus-launch does not appear correct
[02:25] <sabotage> I'm seeing alot of "could not load icon" warnings too, so the default theme is not configured right
[06:20] <moimart> rusty_:  hi
[06:20] <rusty_> morning
[06:20] <moimart> you back in portland?
[06:20] <rusty_> yeap
[06:20] <moimart> how was the trip?
[06:21] <rusty_> back to the cloudy skys
[06:21] <moimart> :)
[06:21] <rusty_> the trip was fine... it's a quick trip up to portland
[06:21] <moimart> yeah i guessed so :)
[06:22] <moimart> im waiting for bob right now
[06:22] <moimart> no idea where he is
[06:23] <rusty_> hmm.... he must have over slept
[06:25] <agoliveira> Good morning folks.
[06:25] <moimart> agoliveira: morning
[06:29] <moimart> agoliveira: are you with bob?
[06:36] <agoliveira> moimart: He should be around but didn't see him this morning yet.
[06:39] <moimart> agoliveira: ok thx :)
[07:08] <bspencer> moimart, I asked matthew allum about Xephyr but he didn't know anything
[07:09] <bspencer> moimart, I sent email, included you.
[07:11] <tko_> where's daniels when you could blame he for a bug...? :)
[07:14] <bspencer> ken -- what room you guys in again?
[07:14] <bspencer> agoliveira,  what's the status of the hildon-python bindings?
[07:15] <agoliveira> bspencer: We are at the fundation meeting about mobile in a room just behind the projector screen on the left.
[07:15] <bspencer> the big  room we were in yesterday ?
[07:15] <agoliveira> bspencer: I didn't look at that yet.
[07:16] <bspencer> agoliveira, ok.  Might be nice while Nokia guys close by 
[07:16] <moimart> jobi: are you around?
[07:16] <agoliveira> bspencer: No, it's literaly behind the screen.
[07:18] <bspencer> ah, maybe I'll come later.  I'm in the little room 
[08:15] <robr> kylem, which kernel tree did ben attempt to apply our patches to?
[08:15] <robr> kylem, which tree should we be using to port our patches to?
[08:17] <kylem> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy.git;a=summary likely, but i'll check with him to make sure.
[08:25] <robr> kylem, he just sent it to me in email
[08:25] <kylem> ah ok, cool.
[08:26] <kylem> the google wireless is very slow today.
[08:26] <kylem> :/
[08:26] <robr> is he on this irc channel
[08:26] <robr> i didn't know his nick
[09:35] <derkling> Hi *!
[10:37] <sabotage> anyone on that can help debug running hildon on gutsy based on the ubuntu-mobile meta-package?
[10:38] <sabotage> it seems I may not be starting dbus session correctly (dbus-launch --exit-with-session) 
[10:38] <sabotage> and or maybe a problem with the plankton theme
[11:01] <sabotage> I'm just not able to get the plankton theme running, as I noted above.  any suggestions?
[11:02] <sabotage> console output is here: http://pastebin.com/929917 
[11:02] <sabotage> screenshot is here: http://tinyurl.com/2scgqu
[11:04] <tko_> sabotage, your problem is on lines 24 and 25 -- if you comment out all lines with 'unbind' it should fix the theme
[11:05] <tko_> though I thought adilson would've uploaded fixed packages already
[11:08] <sabotage> tko_, that helped some, I now have the rounded buttons/menus and correct fonts, but no images or colors
[11:09] <tko_> sabotage, did you follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonDesktopManualProcedure ?
[11:09] <sabotage> I've just done an apt-get update and upgrade against ubuntu directly
[11:09] <tko_> if it didn't work, bug the guys who wrote it down :)
[11:09] <sabotage> tko_, yes
[11:09] <sabotage> sort of.
[11:09] <sabotage> I grabed the ubuntu-mobile meta-package, which now has all the listed packages
[11:10] <sabotage> and I've verified they are there
[11:10] <sabotage> I'm using the script he provided too
[11:11] <sabotage> I also removed the status bar section from desktop.conf
[11:12] <sabotage> I am starting dbus via dbus-launch --exit-with-session, is this correct?
[11:19] <moimart> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-March/022668.html
[11:26] <rusty_> sabotage, are you following the README I added to the project-builder source checked into lauchpad?
[11:27] <sabotage> well, no, since I didn't know about it ;)
[11:27] <sabotage> I'll check it out
[11:27] <rusty_> sabotage, ok, i assumed you know about it since you some of the steps 
[11:27] <rusty_> let me get that URL
[11:28] <sabotage> nah, I was going from the mail sent to ubuntu-mobile mail list and the URL that was in it
[11:28] <rusty_> ok, update your code and see the new README file
[11:29] <sabotage> by "code" you mean PB?
[11:29] <rusty_> btw, you no longer need to remove the unbind calls from the gtkrc files
[11:29] <rusty_> yea
[11:29] <sabotage> ok
[11:29] <rusty_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/project-builder/ubuntu
[11:30] <sabotage> removing the unbind did get me farther, but you're saying that when I update PB, I won't have to any more?
[11:30] <rusty_> if you are building a new image from scratch then you will get the latest gtk packages from gutsy
[11:30] <rusty_> gutsy update gtk yesterday morning 
[11:31] <rusty_> and this new version knows how to do 'unbind'
[11:31] <sabotage> ok, well I've been updating every few hours from ftp.ubuntu.com gutsy main 
[11:32] <rusty_> funny, i never looked at that wiki... let me see what step is missing
[11:32] <sabotage> but I haven't updated PB since, tuesday I think
[11:32] <rusty_> you need to bind /proc
[11:32] <rusty_> you only need to install 'ubuntu-mobile'... this package will pull in all the needed packages
[11:32] <sabotage> since removing the unbind referecnces, I now am getting closer: http://tinyurl.com/2scgqu
[11:33] <sabotage> rusty_, I did that (ubuntu-mobile)
[11:33] <sabotage> but the bind /proc is new...
[11:33] <rusty_> ok, i bet you don't have a session bus running
[11:34] <sabotage> that's what I suspect to, but I'm not having luck figureing out the right way to do that
[11:34] <sabotage> I tried dbus-launch --exit-with-session
[11:34] <rusty_> first, you need the dbus system bus running... when you install dbus then the post install will do this for you, but if you rebooted since installing then you need to run "/etc/init.d/dbus start" inside the chroot
[11:34] <sabotage> but if I don't have /proc bound, that could be a problem ;)
[11:34] <rusty_> also
[11:35] <rusty_> create a new user "useradd -m -s /bin/bash theuser"
[11:35] <rusty_> and then "su - theuser" while inside the chroot
[11:36] <rusty_> only after you have su'ed to the user (and you are careful not to leave off the "-" so that su will create a new environment), then you run your hildon start script
[11:37] <rusty_> if you skip the last couple of steps then the session bus will not be automatically started by the dbus deamon when you request a service 
[11:37] <rusty_> also...
[11:37] <rusty_> it looks like you are missing the icon package
[11:38] <rusty_> make sure ubuntu-mobile is installing 'sdk-default-icons'
[11:38] <sabotage> rusty_ BTW, that URL did not work for me, this did though: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/project-builder/ubuntu
[11:38] <rusty_> it was originally broke (from my stupid mistake)
[11:38] <rusty_> sabotage, that's the url you use to checkout the code via bzr
[11:39] <sabotage> ok, well the other one gave me a 404
[11:39] <rusty_> i'm not sure if it works by pointing a browser at it
[11:40] <sabotage> I have added the user and confirmed the icon package is installed
[11:41] <rusty_> another easy to make mistake that adilson and i stumbled on yesterday was in they way you copy-n-paste the script
[11:41] <rusty_> just be careful that the long lines are not broken
[11:42] <rusty_> for example the GTK2_RC_FILES environment will point to a truncated file path
[11:43] <sabotage> no bad breaks in my script
[11:44] <rusty_> did you 'su - someuser' ?
[11:44] <rusty_> after dbus was started via /etc/init.d/dbus
[11:46] <rusty_> BTW, you will see error messages about connecting to dbus if the system and session bus are not setup correctly
[11:47] <sabotage> assuming I've installed the latest bits, here is what I am doing:
[11:47] <sabotage> 1- Start Xephyr
[11:47] <sabotage> 2- Start PB
[11:47] <sabotage> 3- Select Project and Target and launch terminal
[11:47] <sabotage> 4- su - guest (account already created)
[11:47] <sabotage> 5- export DISPLAY=:1.0
[11:47] <sabotage> 6- dbus-launch --exit-with-session
[11:47] <sabotage> 7- start-hildon-desktop (my name for adilson's script)
[11:47] <sabotage> So I suspect dbus is not setting up right for me, but I'm unclear what's missing/broken
[11:47] <sabotage> you mentioned binding /proc...?
[11:48] <rusty_> sabotage, don't manually run dbus-launch
[11:48] <rusty_> use the init script
[11:48] <sabotage> oh!
[11:50] <rusty_> if you are using project-builder then all the dirty details about bind mounting stuff like /proc is taken care of
[11:50] <sabotage> ok
[11:50] <rusty_> if you manually create a chroot vi debootstrap then do a:
[11:51] <rusty_> sudo mount --bind /proc the/chroot/proc
[11:51] <sabotage> I see I've got a butt load of dbus sessions running now, I need to clean that up and try again then
[11:51] <rusty_> sudo mount --bind /tmp the/chroot/tmp
[11:51] <rusty_> sabotage, it would be safe to reboot (it that is an option)
[11:51] <sabotage> what, is this windows or somtheing ;)
[11:52] <rusty_> well... if you understand which dbus instances to kill then you are fine
[11:52] <rusty_> but if you don't... well... 
[11:53] <rusty_> just don't be suprised when things like you network applet stop working
[12:03] <sabotage> hrmm, after my reboot, PB launched terminal chroot no longer has /proc bound...
[12:03] <rusty_> sabotage, are you running the latest greatest code from bzr?
[12:04] <rusty_> I just pushed revision 13