[12:27] <DaveMorris> I'm guessing mp3 playback is also disabled by default
[12:27] <Daviey> bah.. i'm still waiting on 'debian fonts task force'
[12:27] <Daviey> to resolve the licence
[12:28] <OpenMedia> the dvd/mp3 stuff just isn't understood by consumers.
[12:28] <superm1> all the medibuntu stuff is off by default
[12:28] <DaveMorris> Daviey: can't you just package some up to be used my mythbuntu before hand
[12:28] <superm1> the repo isn't added
[12:28] <superm1> Daviey, any words on the unofficial themes package either?
[12:28] <OpenMedia> Wow.. Since when?
[12:28] <DaveMorris> yes, however us downloading aka exporting from the US may not be
[12:29] <OpenMedia> mp3 is legal in NZ - no patents :)
[12:29] <Daviey> DaveMorris: i have!  But we can't really use it until the licence is kosher
[12:29] <DaveMorris> whats wrong with the licence?
[12:29] <superm1> OpenMedia, lucky
[12:29] <Daviey> DaveMorris: redhat haven't released them as we want them yet
[12:29] <DaveMorris> the patent on mp3 runs out in 2013 I think
[12:30] <Daviey> DaveMorris: haven't used 'open font licence' but they are willing to.  Just taking time
[12:30] <Daviey> might pester the debian guy again
[12:30] <OpenMedia> So whats the license on the new RH fonts?
[12:30] <DaveMorris> whats wrong with the current licence?
[12:31] <Daviey> DaveMorris: "meh"
[12:31] <Daviey> Currently gpl'd
[12:31] <DaveMorris> I'm just thinking there might be issues when creating documents etc
[12:31] <Daviey> apparently that's not appropriate
[12:31] <DaveMorris> however we're not using it in that context
[12:31] <Daviey> yes.. that was part of it.
[12:31] <DaveMorris> also mythtv is gpl'ed so that don't matter
[12:32] <Daviey> "Fonts need GPL exceptions for situations where they are used (technically as a library iirc) in a document that may be a private/confidential/proprietry document."
[12:32] <OpenMedia> Ah.
[12:32] <Daviey> not relevant in our case; but motu won't +1 my package until resolved
[12:33] <DaveMorris> Daviey: yep, but we can host it on mythbuntu.org
[12:33] <superm1> DaveMorris, we need to get all our stuff into ubuntu archives though
[12:33] <Daviey> can do; my package is on revu
[12:33] <superm1> thats why i'm working so closely with ubiquity guys
[12:33] <DaveMorris> and grab it from there, when its +1 we switch to the ubuntu archive
[12:33] <Daviey> is it a show stopper atm?
[12:33] <superm1> we can do that, but by release time it needs to be fixed
[12:33] <superm1> (as in archives)
[12:33] <Daviey> msttcorefonts will do for now?
[12:34] <superm1> for now it works fine
[12:34] <superm1> its just that we cant distribute it like this right now
[12:34] <superm1> ....or shouldnt be better yet
[12:35] <Daviey> Mind you; users cannot create documents using the fake fonts as there is no text editor that will use them on base mythbuntu install :)
[12:35] <superm1> Daviey, can i see your revu link?
[12:35] <superm1> i'm curious to see what they said
[12:35] <Daviey> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5182
[12:35] <Daviey> superm1: it was on irc
[12:35] <superm1> ah
[12:36] <superm1> but these are in debian now you said?
[12:36] <Daviey> no; the deb guys are trying to get a +1 to get it in theres aswell
[12:36] <superm1> ohh
[12:36] <superm1> idealy if debian straightens this out soon
[12:36] <superm1> it can just be synced
[12:36] <Daviey> Personally i'd rather use theirs - keeps it consistant at upstream merge
[12:37] <superm1> Daviey, any words on the mythtv-themes-unofficial package?
[12:37] <Daviey> yeah; i did email the deb guys; that's how i found out the prob
[12:37] <Daviey> superm1: sadly not - but considering it's a conversion from norm package to meta-package - is it holding things up?
[12:38] <OpenMedia> Where are the issues documented about the font license.
[12:38] <superm1> well atm not yet.  within the next week or two jared and i should have the rest of the installer ready though
[12:38] <Daviey> superm1: this last month has been so hectic.  I'm hoping to either get it done tommorow afternoon or early next week
[12:38] <superm1> so your two things will be holding up then :)
[12:38] <superm1> (the themes-unofficial and the metas)
[12:39] <Daviey> owwww.... had an idea.  Rather than call it *-unoffical what about *-extras
[12:39] <Daviey> *-extra rather
[12:40] <superm1> doesnt matter ot me one way or anothre
[12:40] <superm1> perhaps -community ?
[12:40] <superm1> instead
[12:41] <Daviey> that's better
[12:41] <Daviey> anyway.. I'll submit 1 theme to revu - if that has no probs, i'll throw the rest in and the meta
[12:42] <Daviey> bendailey been around recently?
[12:42] <Daviey> DaveMorris: have you had a chance to do that 'research'?
[12:43] <DaveMorris> what research?
[12:43] <Daviey> pm
[12:48] <DaveMorris> night all
[12:52] <superm1> sounds good Daviey
[12:58] <superm1> Daviey, you should look at how I have done my last few with cdbs
[12:58] <superm1> and a bzr branch
[12:58] <superm1> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5419
[12:59] <superm1> dont have to nec. use the bzr branch, but cdbs is very easy to read/follow
[01:06] <Daviey> any guides on cdbs
[01:06] <Daviey> cdbs is entirely new to me
[01:06] <Daviey> only heard of it when you mentioned it the other day
[01:08] <superm1> it handles a lot of it for you
[01:08] <superm1> for a themes package, you can follow exactly what i did
[01:08] <superm1> with that gdm theme
[01:08] <superm1> just take out the bzr lines in debian/rule
[01:08] <superm1> just take out the bzr lines in debian/rules
[01:08] <superm1> and make sure debian/copyright is correct
[01:09] <Daviey> cool
[01:09] <Daviey> np
[01:10] <superm1> when you've got it ready, i can do a prelook over before motu's if i'm around if you want too
[01:11] <Daviey> yes
[01:11] <Daviey> i'll ping / email you when it's uploaded
[01:12] <superm1> great
[01:12] <superm1> as for the metas, i can explain to you a little more whats involved yet
[01:12] <superm1> there is a "seeds" directory in the bzr branch
[01:12] <superm1> as of probably 11 revisions ago
[01:12] <superm1> (we're at 58)
[01:12] <superm1> You use that to define exactly what apps are in what packages
[01:12] <superm1> and then inside the source package, you do a 'germination' (explained in a readme with the package)
[01:12] <superm1> to update from the seeds
[01:13] <Daviey> oic
[01:13] <Daviey> isn't that more complicated than standard?
[01:14] <superm1> well it allows for easy updates is the idea
[01:14] <superm1> you change one line, and it is reflected appropriately
[01:14] <superm1> in the resultant metas
[01:14] <superm1> with all its dependencies
[01:14] <superm1> so there are two meta that were started then, mythbuntu-live and mythbuntu-standalone
[01:14] <Daviey> cool
[01:14] <superm1> live will include *everything*
[01:14] <superm1> standalone includes everythign not removed by options
[01:16] <Daviey> ahh
[01:18] <superm1> and i think that's pretty much the jist of it.  all the files that are needed during the live install can be installed in mythbuntu-live, and the files that end up in /etc/skel after the install is done can be in mythbuntu-standalone
[01:20] <superm1> Daviey, so you've been tracking the debian bug 423503 then right?
[01:20] <ubotu> Debian bug 423503 in wnpp "ITP: ttf-liberation -- A set of free (GPL) fonts from Red Hat Inc." [Wishlist,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/423503
[01:22] <Daviey> yep
[01:22] <superm1> just saw it myself
[01:23] <Daviey> it was that bug that stopped my +1
[01:23] <superm1> well the thing is the licensing is because of dfsg though isn't it?
[01:25] <Daviey> seems so
[01:26] <superm1> then that shouldnt affect ubuntu directly
[01:26] <superm1> if they go into multiverse instead
[01:26] <Daviey> tell that to motu
[01:26] <superm1> who told you this?
[01:26] <Daviey> who looks after multiverse?
[01:26] <superm1> motu
[01:27] <Daviey> ah
[01:36] <superm1> ok Daviey i'm gonna take off from work.  i'll cu soon
[01:36] <Daviey> ttfn
[01:37] <OpenMedia> superm1_:  Thanks for the pointers on the font issues. Very interesing.
[01:37] <williammanda> hey guys
[01:38] <williammanda> what is the command using mysql to fix the database?
[01:39] <Daviey> OpenMedia: to be fair - we are first tryig to get the liberation fonts into a a package and accepted.  Once tht is done there needs tp be another package that depends on the fonts tha creates symlinks to the ms font filenames.  This will mean that apps can still refer to 'Arial' and get what is expected - but the fonts will be truly free
[01:47] <williammanda> help!
[01:50] <Daviey> williammanda: what do you mean by fix?
[01:51] <tgm4883> williammanda, to repair?
[01:51] <williammanda> yes!
[01:52] <tgm4883> lol, i don't know what it is, but knew what you were asking
[01:52] <tgm4883> wish i could be more help
[01:53] <williammanda> i'm having trouble with phpadmin....i can't login....
[01:53] <Daviey> do you know what table is borked, or the whole database?
[01:54] <williammanda> my processor is being tasked to 100% alot of the time.....
[01:54] <Daviey> ah, that's not a database corruption issue
[01:54] <williammanda> it just started ...
[01:54] <Daviey> what is 'top' telling you is hogging?
[01:54] <OpenMedia> have you run a tail on the mysql.log?
[01:54] <Daviey> commerical flagging can shoot the load right up
[01:55] <Daviey> from mysql console: mysql> REPAIR TABLE table_to_be_repaired;
[01:55] <Daviey> That will check & fix tables
[01:55] <williammanda> mythtv frontend
[01:55] <williammanda> i have a core 2 duo
[01:55] <williammanda> it never did it before
[01:56] <a5benwillis> superm1_:  ping
[01:56] <Daviey> a5benwillis: he's away
[01:56] <a5benwillis> ah tx
[01:57] <a5benwillis> just wanted to give him the good news abt my tuning problem I was having
[01:57] <williammanda> i'm not using commerical flagging.....never have.....always been turned off
[01:57] <a5benwillis> williammanda: I have the same proc, no problems
[01:58] <williammanda> great....I didn't have any either until a few days ago
[01:58] <williammanda> mythtv frontend always ran around 35% max with HDTV
[01:59] <a5benwillis> my performance isnt so good with HD
[01:59] <williammanda> now it hits 100% alot causing the viewing to pause
[01:59] <a5benwillis> whats the other core do when it hits 100?
[02:01] <williammanda> the other processer is at half or above
[02:02] <OpenMedia> williammanda: As Daviey asked, what are the top processes in top, and have you run a tail on mysql.log to see what is happening?
[02:02] <williammanda> the top process is mythtv frontend....I posted it
[02:03] <williammanda> i have not run any mysql process
[02:04] <OpenMedia> Ah so what is mythtvfrontend doing at the moment?
[02:05] <a5benwillis> williammanda: Can you tail the frontend log?
[02:07] <williammanda> ?
[02:07] <williammanda> how?
[02:09] <superm1_> a5benwillis, i'm here now
[02:09] <superm1> you got your tuning problems figured out eh?
[02:09] <superm1> thats great news
[02:10] <superm1> williammanda, depending on how you started it
[02:10] <superm1> if it was automatic from a session start
[02:10] <superm1> you can tail the .xsession-errors
[02:10] <superm1> in the user's home directory
[02:11] <a5benwillis> superm1: Heh, I just replaced the dvb card.. Works perfectly now.
[02:11] <superm1> so it was indeed bad then ?
[02:11] <a5benwillis> appears so.
[02:12] <a5benwillis> it got to where it wouldnt tune to any chans the past few days.
[02:12] <superm1> i've got an analog tuner like that that is really flakey and has been getting worse
[02:13] <a5benwillis> williammanda: Or you can kill frontend and backend and start them manually in a term window so you can see whats happening. I use my own init scripts so I can use my own logs in var/log
[02:13] <superm1> what did you eventually do about the lack of guide data, just end up not using american satellite and opt for candadian?
[02:14] <a5benwillis> that last patch with trunk fixed all my eit issues.
[02:14] <a5benwillis> check this out LOL
[02:14] <a5benwillis> "There's guide data until 2037-12-08 20:20 (11135 days)."
[02:14] <superm1> yea.....
[02:16] <a5benwillis> I am offically happy. Watching Spongbob right now!!
[02:16] <superm1> i dont know if i would qualify that as "all your eit issues" being resolved
[02:16] <a5benwillis> :-)
[02:17] <a5benwillis> well.. I'm have guide data for at least 9 days and it updates properly without running constantly.
[02:17] <superm1> thats great then
[02:17] <superm1> find out anything more about if your patches are getting applied to trunk for your tuner support?
[02:18] <a5benwillis> havent heard
[02:18] <a5benwillis> I really need to make a backup image now before something bad happens..
[02:41] <superm1> okay mates i'm out for a bit.  Daviey if your still up, get to bed :)
[02:48] <Daviey> yes sir
[02:54] <swhalen> Hi, can someone help me with the mythbackend script?
[02:54] <swhalen> !mythbackend
[02:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mythbackend - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #120083 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed configuring mythtv (dup-of: 119055)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120083
[11:37] <laga> superm1: some of juski's themes went into svn trunk
[11:37] <laga> superm1: they can be found in trunk/themes, not trunk/myththemes
[03:46] <superm1> neat ;)
[09:22] <dmandell> Hi, I've been having a bit of a problem with gnome-screensaver on a Fiesty mythtv install, can anyone help?
[09:22] <superm1> Hi dmandell
[09:22] <superm1> what sort of problem?
[09:22] <dmandell> Hi sperm1.
[09:22] <superm1> superm1
[09:22] <laga> rotfl
[09:23] <dmandell> superm1
[09:23] <dmandell> sorry!
[09:23] <laga> poor superm1_ :)
[09:23] <dmandell> Now with egg on my face I continue...
[09:23] <dmandell> The problem is that it's coming on at all, I'd like to disable it but don't see a real good way how to.
[09:23] <superm1> its coming on when?
[09:23] <superm1> during watching?
[09:23] <dmandell> I've got a combined frontend/backend...
[09:24] <superm1> or during general usage
[09:24] <dmandell> no, when video's paused or when I'm at the menus
[09:24] <superm1> right thats normal
[09:24] <superm1> but you want that turned off?
[09:24] <dmandell> More or less it just makes it confusing for the gf, as she thinks there's a problem.
[09:24] <dmandell> Yeah, ideally.
[09:24] <superm1> you are using ubuntu-mythtv-frontend metapackage correct?
[09:24] <dmandell> Yes, that's right.
[09:24] <superm1> okay easiest way to do it
[09:25] <superm1> when your sitting at the main myth screen, hit ctrl alt right
[09:25] <superm1> you'll be brought to another virtual desktop
[09:25] <superm1> right click it
[09:25] <superm1> and pick the terminal
[09:25] <superm1> and type gnome-screensaver-preferences
[09:25] <superm1> and you can change the settings for the screensaver there
[09:26] <superm1> close the terminal and hit ctrl alt left to go back to myth
[09:26] <dmandell> cool, thanks for your help.
[09:26] <laga> i didn't know that ctrl-alt-left trick. thanks :)
[09:26] <dmandell> I was going to rename the gnome-screensaver binary and leave an empty file in its place, but figured I'd be better off doing it the "right way"  Thanks a ton for your help.
[09:27] <superm1> not a problem.  btw you can tab complete IRC names, so there is no mishaps like before :)
[09:27] <superm1> laga, its not exactly intuitive, but its pretty neat eh?
[09:27] <laga> yup
[09:27] <laga> well, it doesn't look like my backend wil lgo into the living room anyways. guess i'll uninstall mythfrontend :(
[09:27] <dmandell> superm1: not with my IRC client, I'm using TinyIRC, tab nick completion doesn't look like it works.
[09:28] <superm1> ah thats a shame.  get a real IRC client then ;)
[09:28] <laga> yeah
[09:28] <superm1> the funny thing is that i catch myself trying to tab complete thoughts too
[09:28] <laga> irssi
[09:28] <laga> ;)
[09:28] <superm1> and that doesnt work...
[09:28] <laga> heh
[09:28] <laga> boo<tab>
[09:29] <superm1> laga, when your done with the svn packages, thats the next thing you should work on.  a python script to add to xchat that lets you tab complete sentances
[09:29] <superm1> and learns about what you think and type
[09:29] <Daviey> abybody else finding themeslves talk in the firt person in real like.  Actually saying in their head '/me thinks xyz'
[09:29] <laga> Daviey: yes
[09:29] <laga> i actually do think in english way too much
[09:29] <Daviey> it's annoying
[09:30] <laga> give me back my native language! damn you, IRC!
[09:30] <superm1> Daviey, you don't say /me in real life though do you ?
[09:30] <Daviey> superm1: in my head; for real life situations
[09:30] <Daviey> never actually said it tho
[09:30] <superm1> haha
[09:30] <laga> does anybody in here say "lol" in RL situations?
[09:31] <superm1> i have a friend that does that
[09:31] <superm1> i hate it
[09:31] <superm1> or rotfl outloud
[09:31] <superm1> when he is clearly standing there smirking
[09:31] <laga> superm1: get a taser?
[09:32] <laga> superm1: actually, if he doesn't draw lolcats iRL it's not that bad
[09:32] <Daviey> One term i really hate in RL is gooey when they mean G.U.I; does it really take any longer to say?!
[09:32] <laga> Daviey: interestingly enough, i just say "grafische benutzoberflche" ;)
[09:33] <Daviey> Ahh.. German - such a pretty language
[09:34] <superm1> laga, see with you always typing in english, i can't imagine you thinking in german or speaking/writing german
[09:34] <superm1> it just looks odd
[09:35] <superm1> speaking of which - do you think in german then?
[09:35] <superm1> since thats your primary language?
[09:35] <laga> i think in english when i'm in here, especially while i'm typing. i'm not translating on-the-fly, if you wanted to know that :)
[09:36] <laga> i usually switch between german and english channels or IM sessions a lot. i'm used to it
[09:37] <superm1> well i've just always wondered about that in general.  someone brought up on say italian, do they "think" in italian then
[09:38] <Daviey> Here's a mind blower; what if you had NO language - how would you think?
[09:38] <laga> tbh, i stayed home due to a flu or something when we talked about that in school :(
[09:38] <laga> superm1: well, do you think in english?
[09:39] <superm1> laga, well ya
[09:39] <superm1> but thats the only language i speak fluently
[09:39] <Daviey> i reckon he thinks in american
[09:39] <superm1> i understand some spoken italian and polish
[09:39] <laga> superm1: IMHO, you have objects and just apply a term you get from a specific language
[09:39] <superm1> and speak broken high school spanish
[09:40] <Daviey> laga: but what if you don't have a language to use?
[09:40] <superm1> kinda like how you learn that a new gadget is called 'iphone'
[09:40] <laga> superm1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiotics
[09:40] <superm1> then you associate that with the gadget
[09:40] <laga> Daviey: i'd think in cat-ish then
[09:40] <laga> meow
[09:40] <laga> no, i'm *not* one of these furries
[09:43] <laga> superm1: for me, it depends on the level of immersion. when i read complicated technical documents, like those XSLT docs i was reading earlier, i need to re-iterate those facts to understand them. i usually use german then because the technical stuff is abstract and complicated enough for me.
[09:44] <superm1> so basic concepts you would associate with english words
[09:44] <superm1> and things you can't represent in english
[09:44] <superm1> are represented in german
[09:45] <laga> i can represent them in english, but i could also represent them in flowcharts or something. it's just clutching for straws so i can understand them.
[09:45] <superm1> i see
[09:45] <superm1> what are you reading about XML translations for?
[09:45] <laga> if i was *writing* technical documentation in english, i'd usually think in english because it makes the job easier and because i have already understood what i am talking about
[09:46] <laga> superm1: www.epgdata.com gave me a test account and i'm writing a convertor to XMLTV
[09:46] <superm1> ah neat
[09:47] <superm1> laga, i forget did you finish with the mythweb htaccess spec?
[09:47] <superm1> on the trunk packages
[09:47] <laga> superm1: my use of language also depends on how i used to use it. i used to date an american girl and now i think in english when i think about love and associated items. trust me, i'm really scared about saying "i love you" instead of "ich liebe dich" now because then fecal matter would hit the ventilation device pretty hard
[09:48] <laga> superm1: not yet. i was busy with other stuff, including analysis. ;)
[09:48] <superm1> haha
[09:48] <laga> "you still love her"
[09:48] <laga> yadda yadda
[09:49] <superm1> american girls *are* trouble
[09:49] <superm1> i'll agree
[09:50] <laga> well, we all gotta go through hell a little bit
[09:51] <Daviey> "< superm1> american's ... *are* trouble"
[09:52] <Daviey> is taht a misquote?
[09:52] <laga> no
[09:52] <superm1> hey now Daviey
[09:52] <superm1> just because we talk different and eat really unhealthy, doesn't mean we're all trouble :)
[09:53] <Daviey> !polotics
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about polotics - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:54] <Daviey> !politics
[09:54] <ubotu> Please take political discussion to ##politics. Thank you!
[09:54] <Daviey> rather
[09:54] <superm1> haha
[09:54] <laga> !irrational.flamewar
[09:54] <Daviey> superm1: now you've done it - Ircops on the case
[09:54] <laga> k-lining all americans tonight, are we?
[09:54] <Daviey> !45_minute_claim
[09:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 45_minute_claim - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:55] <superm1> !kidding
[09:55] <ubotu> You may think your joke is funny, but you may confuse new users or irritate people who actually start answering your question :)
[09:55] <superm1> okay enough playing with ubotu I say.
[09:56] <Daviey> heh; does that count as bot abuse?
[10:03] <superm1> laga, do you know what themes were added to trunk?
[10:03] <superm1> and does that mean they are distributed with trunk?
[10:03] <superm1> or just as mythtv-themes
[10:04] <Daviey> juski said that he isn't gonna make any rah changes
[10:04] <Daviey> rash
[10:05] <superm1> what does that mean?
[10:06] <laga> superm1: there are in their own directory
[10:06] <laga> they*
[10:06] <superm1> so how are they going to be distributed?
[10:06] <superm1> is that tbd?
[10:07] <laga> seems so
[10:07] <laga> it looks like there'll be a theme downloader
[10:08] <superm1> oh so they will come with the theme downloader then
[10:08] <superm1> i see
[10:08] <superm1> well then what is the smartest way to approach the themes problem?
[10:08] <laga> svn co && dpkg-buildpackage ;)
[10:09] <superm1> for mythbuntu
[10:09] <superm1> and mythtv on ubuntu
[10:09] <superm1> packaging wise
[10:09] <laga> put each theme in its own package i'd say
[10:09] <superm1> and then the obsoleted ones we dont do anything with
[10:10] <superm1> *we remove from the archive
[10:10] <laga> which ones are obsoleted?
[10:10] <superm1> next ubuntu release
[10:10] <superm1> well the ones that dont need to be packaged
[10:10] <superm1> because of the theme downloader
[10:10] <laga> old themes like visor should be dealt with by upstream
[10:10] <laga> oh
[10:10] <laga> humm
[10:10] <laga> superm1: i have no clue how it'll be handled. a "theme downloader" sounds like it'd give you all kinds of troubles, because it'd need root permissions etc
[10:11] <laga> and not everyone has got net access on their mythtv boxen
[10:11] <superm1> well it can probably save to ~/.mythtv
[10:11] <superm1> if its smart
[10:11] <laga> it's still a WIP, i suppose
[10:11] <laga> true
[10:11] <superm1> okay Daviey
[10:11] <superm1> get a theme on revu already
[10:11] <superm1> :)
[10:11] <superm1> lets get that settled soon
[10:12] <laga> superm1: guess we need to talk to juski what he's gonna do exactly
[10:13] <superm1> well for all the other themes at least
[10:13] <superm1> we need to get those in