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| DaSkreech | Is there a way to run an install from the CLI on the live Cd? | 05:12 |
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| Jucato | you absolutely need X to be up | 05:21 |
| DaSkreech | blast | 05:22 |
| DaSkreech | that sucks | 05:22 |
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| DaSkreech | Jucato: poke | 05:35 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: yep? | 05:36 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: what's the policy for people who tell people looking for help to rm -rf / | 05:36 |
| Jucato | where? | 05:37 |
| Jucato | *I* usually reprimand them first... others just kick :) | 05:37 |
| Jucato | ah I see | 05:38 |
| DaSkreech | esp when they say @r$e things like Whoops sorry wrong window like they meant to type that in the terminal | 05:38 |
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| lithium__ | can someone instruct me on installing software in kubuntu? | 06:49 |
| crimsun | using Adept? | 06:49 |
| === Jucato points lithium__ at #kubuntu | ||
| crimsun | (should probably keep it there, since you're already being assisted there) | 06:50 |
| === DaSkreech gently pushes lithium__ back to #kubuntu | ||
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| Hobbsee_ | !ping | 07:08 |
| ubotu | pong | 07:08 |
| DaSkreech | Ha ha | 07:08 |
| === Hobbsee waves | ||
| === Jucato surfs again... | ||
| === Jucato does some heavy thinking.... | ||
| DaSkreech | Surf's Up! | 07:09 |
| === LongPointyStick pokes DaSkreech | ||
| Hobbsee | Jucato: what's the heavy thinking about? | 07:11 |
| Jucato | systemsettings... | 07:11 |
| === DaSkreech giggles | ||
| Hobbsee | ahh | 07:11 |
| === DaSkreech ponders asking about the depth | ||
| === DaSkreech doesn't like drowning | ||
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: bigger than you | 07:13 |
| DaSkreech | you know what he's thinking? | 07:16 |
| Hobbsee | about how much work systemsettings is to do for kde4 :P | 07:23 |
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| DaSkreech | isn't it mostly a front fo kcontrol? | 07:23 |
| DaSkreech | so shouldn't we wait for kcontrol to get sorted first? | 07:24 |
| Hobbsee | not to my knowldege | 07:24 |
| Hobbsee | they're both frontends to the modules | 07:24 |
| DaSkreech | Well yeah same concept | 07:25 |
| DaSkreech | how many of those have been rewritten for KDE4 already? | 07:25 |
| Jucato | kcontrol (the shell) currently doesn't work on kde4 at all | 07:26 |
| Jucato | the modules work though.. but they need to be redesigned... terribly... | 07:26 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: how much work? can I say "lots"? | 07:27 |
| DaSkreech | Shouldn't that be the place to start? | 07:27 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: no reason why they can't be done simultaneously... | 07:27 |
| Jucato | the individual modules need to comply with HIG, but the shell needs lots of work as well... | 07:28 |
| DaSkreech | true. But there might be a mindset change for KDE4 | 07:28 |
| Jucato | mindset change on what? | 07:28 |
| === Jucato thinks the General/Advanced separation isn't working a bit.... | ||
| Jucato | I mean the concept... but hey, I'm not el or seele :) | 07:29 |
| DaSkreech | Night all!! :) | 07:34 |
| Jucato | bye | 07:34 |
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| Hobbsee | yay, Riddell! | 08:42 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: archive still appears to work | 08:42 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: phew | 10:31 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: :) | 10:31 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: please make sure someone takes pictures and posts them online if you end up being in your kilt. | 10:32 |
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| marseillai | ScottK: ? are you there? | 11:55 |
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| mhb | Jucato: I agree on that general/advanced one | 01:11 |
| Jucato | hi mhb! | 01:11 |
| Jucato | btw, I propose renaming System to "System Tools" in the K Menu if ever we do rename that... | 01:11 |
| Jucato | and in Fedora, the Terminal is still in System Tools, not in Accessories | 01:11 |
| mhb | Jucato: Fedora GNOME? | 01:16 |
| Jucato | yep | 01:16 |
| Jucato | just for reference | 01:17 |
| mhb | hmm | 01:17 |
| Jucato | I'm wondering if we will have to change system settings' name if ever it becomes chosen as the kcontrol replacement in kde4 | 01:17 |
| mhb | Jucato: is that even possible? | 01:19 |
| Jucato | what is? | 01:19 |
| mhb | Jucato: I don't follow KDE discussions, so I don't know | 01:19 |
| Jucato | ah Riddell already proposed it to kde-core-devel... | 01:19 |
| Jucato | but we need to fix a lot if it ever gets accepted... | 01:19 |
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| Hobbsee | grumble. lost my voice now. | 01:25 |
| Jucato | :( | 01:26 |
| === Hobbsee spent too long talking on the phone... | ||
| Jucato | hehe h:) | 01:26 |
| Jucato | oops... the 'h' detached | 01:27 |
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| xerosis | ooh, the oxygen windeco looks *nice* | 01:36 |
| Jucato | is it finally done? O.o | 01:38 |
| Jucato | er I mean semi-done | 01:38 |
| Jucato | last time I tried to build it, it was all red... | 01:39 |
| xerosis | http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2007/06/oxygen-style-is-coming-to-town.html | 01:39 |
| Jucato | aah | 01:40 |
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| allee | Riddell: I've got the .so into p2moto (only soft links missing). I'll try later to fix this too | 02:42 |
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| mhb | hi RadiantFire | 03:10 |
| RadiantFire | hi | 03:10 |
| RadiantFire | sorry I've been missing as of late, there were some technical troubles with my shell account for a few days | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | hiya | 03:11 |
| nosrednaekim | hey... I was wondering something. When you try to copy something to a place where you don't have enough permissions, why doesn't konqueror prompt you with a "kdesu" dialog? | 03:11 |
| nosrednaekim | why does it just give you a " not enough permissions"? | 03:12 |
| Jucato | why should it? | 03:12 |
| === Jucato thinks hard... | ||
| nosrednaekim | because other wise I have to open up a whole new konqueror window to drop to | 03:13 |
| nosrednaekim | which is annoying. | 03:13 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: no problem | 03:13 |
| nosrednaekim | much better to have a prompt to upgrade your permissions | 03:13 |
| RadiantFire | os x behaves that way | 03:13 |
| RadiantFire | it gives you an "Authenticate" option | 03:14 |
| Jucato | it presumes 1) the user doing it is a sudoer and 2) it really something that should be done | 03:14 |
| Jucato | imho only :) | 03:14 |
| Jucato | but then you have to ask, why doesn't the shell do that as well? :) | 03:14 |
| RadiantFire | because authenticating from a shell is easier :-) | 03:15 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah well,on the shell its easy to just prefix sudo | 03:15 |
| mhb | it doesn't have to be automatic, just easy enough | 03:15 |
| mhb | I guess | 03:15 |
| nosrednaekim | in konqueror, you have to renavigate to where you want to paste | 03:15 |
| Jucato | there are konqueror servicemenus that allow you to open a folder as root though... of course they're 3rd party | 03:15 |
| Jucato | Mez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 03:15 |
| mhb | Jucato: now that was unnecessary :o) | 03:15 |
| Jucato | mhb: after wondering for week where the bloody hell he was, that was just appropriate :) | 03:16 |
| Jucato | for weeks* | 03:16 |
| mhb | Jucato: oh, there's this lovely thing called email, that might help you sometimes :o) | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | bah. email's overrated | 03:17 |
| RadiantFire | mhb: I'm gonna be back a little later and then resume tinkering see if I can't figure it out. I've put it aside this week and now I have some ideas | 03:17 |
| === Hobbsee ignores her inbox again | ||
| nosrednaekim | email? too slow | 03:17 |
| Jucato | mhb: and you presume DaSkreech hasn't tried that? :) | 03:17 |
| Jucato | mhb: he even tried to send a mail... | 03:17 |
| Mez | hi Jucato | 03:18 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: perhaps it might be better to concentrate on dolphin, as it's going to be the preferred file manager in both kubuntu and kde4 | 03:18 |
| Jucato | welcome back Mez :D | 03:18 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: will it have that functionality? | 03:19 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: I tried the dolphin in Feisty now, which doesn't have it | 03:19 |
| Mez | Jucato, thx | 03:20 |
| Mez | bbiab | 03:20 |
| Jucato | I seriously don't recommend trying Dolphin on KDE 3 :) | 03:20 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: would such funtionality be a security risk? | 03:20 |
| === Hobbsee wants to see kde4 out soon... :P | ||
| === nosrednaekim points to the kubuntu mirrors | ||
| === Jucato points to "out soon" as meaning "released" | ||
| Hobbsee | no, final. or beta | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | a working one. | 03:21 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: in my opinion a button to "get more privileges" doesn't sound that risky | 03:21 |
| Jucato | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Root+Actions+Servicemenu+(for+Kubuntu)?content=48411 | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | Mez: which guy? | 03:23 |
| Jucato | don't think it's a security risk... I'm just concerned about other things... | 03:23 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: I was talking on an operation by operation basis | 03:23 |
| nosrednaekim | thanks Jucato... I'll give it a shot | 03:25 |
| nosrednaekim | Jucato: that doesn't do the right thing | 03:39 |
| Jucato | nosrednaekim: um ok.. hold on.. I think I made my own service menu :) | 03:40 |
| nosrednaekim | all I want it to do is "copy as root" or something like that | 03:41 |
| Jucato | nosrednaekim: well for one you can't have 2 "users" using a single Konqueror window.. so I don't think that would be possible without opening a new Konqueror window anyway | 03:43 |
| Jucato | http://jucato.org/stuff/open_as_root.desktop try that service menu... | 03:44 |
| nosrednaekim | ok | 03:44 |
| Jucato | just put it in ~/.kde/apps/konqueror/servicemenus | 03:45 |
| nosrednaekim | k | 03:45 |
| nosrednaekim | Ok thats good Jucato | 03:50 |
| nosrednaekim | thanks! | 03:50 |
| nosrednaekim | one _little_ thing more.. | 03:51 |
| Jucato | hm.... | 03:52 |
| nosrednaekim | you know the "copy to" dialog in the service menu? | 03:52 |
| nosrednaekim | would it possible to add a "copy to as root"? | 03:52 |
| Jucato | hm.... | 03:52 |
| nosrednaekim | not saying for you to do it or anything.. | 03:52 |
| Jucato | not sure... | 03:53 |
| nosrednaekim | I was just wondering if it was possible. I'll go out and do it if it is possible | 03:53 |
| Jucato | I'm not sure if it's possible... but I guess it depends on 1) the command to be used and 2) if Konqueror allows 2 users in 1 window... | 03:55 |
| nosrednaekim | I guess you could run "kfmclient copy <source> <dest>" | 03:56 |
| nosrednaekim | prefixed by a kdesu of course. | 03:56 |
| nosrednaekim | where are the default service menu's stored? I'd like to know what to copy? | 03:57 |
| Jucato | /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus I guess | 03:57 |
| Jucato | there might be some in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings as well | 03:58 |
| nosrednaekim | ok | 03:58 |
| nosrednaekim | yep thats it.. thanks. | 03:58 |
| nosrednaekim | strangely Jucato, there is no copy dialog in there. | 04:01 |
| Jucato | you mean the one that pops up when you drag and drop a file? | 04:01 |
| nosrednaekim | no, the one thats on the menu when you right-click on a file | 04:02 |
| Jucato | oh that's a built-in I think | 04:02 |
| nosrednaekim | hmmm what about the drag and drop, is that default as well? | 04:02 |
| Jucato | yep | 04:03 |
| Jucato | not a service menu | 04:03 |
| Jucato | anyway, I think it's not possible to have a drag and drop in the same window (whether it be a different tab or view) from normal user to superuser directories... | 04:04 |
| nosrednaekim | hmmm ok. | 04:05 |
| nosrednaekim | what if it popped up a kdesu'd file dialog? | 04:10 |
| Jucato | dunno... sory | 04:10 |
| Jucato | sorry* | 04:10 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah ok. I'll mosey along over to #kde | 04:11 |
| nosrednaekim | thanks! | 04:11 |
| Jucato | nosrednaekim: first thing you have to consider would be how to run a script triggered by a drag and drop into a root owned folder... that's definitely not a servicemenu | 04:13 |
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| marseillai | i'm trying to build a package for autoq3d a qt4 3d modeling apps. but even if my package build well it is empty (only documentation) i think there is no install rules in makefile! how can i check wich files are build and where they are ton install them ? | 06:52 |
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| jjesse | afternoon | 06:58 |
| Hobbsee | hiya jjesse | 07:00 |
| jjesse | how are you Hobbsee? | 07:00 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: i'm looking for a shotgun, to shoot the stupid people. | 07:00 |
| jjesse | i have one in my basement, should i ship it to you? | 07:00 |
| jjesse | though i would have to clear it w/ my wife as the shotgun is heres | 07:01 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Been adding to your killfile today? | 07:01 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: yeah. see ubuntu-devel-discuss ML and such. | 07:01 |
| === ScottK thought so. | ||
| Hobbsee | jjesse: that'd be good. dont think they're legal here though. especially to shoot people | 07:01 |
| jjesse | my wife and i shoot clay pigeon w/ it (skeet shooting( | 07:02 |
| jjesse | she's better then me | 07:02 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 07:02 |
| jjesse | i hate filling out expense reports | 07:03 |
| Hobbsee | twitch | 07:03 |
| Hobbsee | nwo, that's what i shoudl do. | 07:03 |
| === Hobbsee really should actually go and manhandle the scanner | ||
| === Hobbsee has 13 days :P | ||
| ScottK | Until? | 07:03 |
| Hobbsee | until i cant claim anymore | 07:03 |
| ScottK | Ah | 07:03 |
| Hobbsee | UDS | 07:04 |
| jjesse | i try to keep my work credit card at $0 | 07:05 |
| jjesse | but its hard to do | 07:05 |
| jjesse | i am currently look at a 3 inch stack of receipts :( | 07:05 |
| === ScottK notes that the idiot in question continues to post to ubuntu-devel-discuss... | ||
| Hobbsee | ScottK: indeed, yes. | 07:07 |
| ScottK | I've tried to "Help" him before and I'm pretty convinced it's impossible. | 07:08 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 07:08 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 07:08 |
| ScottK | We may well end up needing a mod to the w.u.c software to automatically revert any changes he makes. | 07:08 |
| Hobbsee | hahahahha | 07:08 |
| Hobbsee | looking at the recent wiki pages he's done...that's not a bad idea | 07:08 |
| Hobbsee | o rjust disable his LP account | 07:08 |
| === jjesse opens up email to look at ubuntu-devel-discuss | ||
| ScottK | jjesse: Were sunglasses when you do. | 07:09 |
| ScottK | oops | 07:10 |
| jjesse | :) | 07:10 |
| ScottK | Were/Wear | 07:10 |
| jjesse | i understood | 07:10 |
| jjesse | in fact I didn't even notice the typo | 07:10 |
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| === Hobbsee --> bed | ||
| Hobbsee | dont let the place burn up | 07:14 |
| jjesse | night Hobbsee | 07:14 |
| jjesse | wow that week expense report is $1900 | 07:14 |
| Hobbsee | ouchy | 07:14 |
| jjesse | i have a nother week to fill out :) | 07:14 |
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| mhb | Jucato: no exclamation marks for me, huh? How rude... :o) | 09:50 |
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| _StefanS_ | sweet, my cloaking works now :) | 10:02 |
| _StefanS_ | and hi all. | 10:02 |
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| === DaSkreech sticks My other vehicle is a Bird-Of-Prey bumper sticker on _StefanS_'s forehead | ||
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| _StefanS_ | ouch :) | 10:05 |
| === DaSkreech only licked it a little | ||
| n8k99 | ewww | 10:08 |
| _StefanS_ | so whats up.. ? any news ? | 10:10 |
| DaSkreech | Linspire sold out after cursing novell for selling out | 10:21 |
| ScottK | DaSkreech: So how excited are you about getting their Click N Run service for Ubuntu now? | 10:25 |
| DaSkreech | same as I was before | 10:26 |
| ScottK | Not so much I gather? | 10:27 |
| DaSkreech | I forgot about it until someone mentions it | 10:27 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: system settings might get into KDE4 as default | 10:27 |
| Riddell | looking very likely that | 10:28 |
| _StefanS_ | ah that sounds sweet | 10:28 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: but you may be aware of that, it's just me who doesn't read mailing lists | 10:28 |
| _StefanS_ | better than kcontrol anyways | 10:28 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: didnt know it :) | 10:28 |
| DaSkreech | I've learnt with Roberts to wait until he does something versus him saying he's going to do it | 10:28 |
| _StefanS_ | is it going to utilize that new klistview thingy from dolphin ? it looks kinda neat | 10:28 |
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| _StefanS_ | btw, is the desktop starting to get more useful in kde4 ? (=working i mean, like rightclick menu and so on ) | 10:30 |
| _StefanS_ | havent seen the last snapshots | 10:30 |
| DaSkreech | I think that was working from alpha 1 | 10:30 |
| _StefanS_ | oh, wait.. probably; but it never worked for me :) crashed every time | 10:31 |
| _StefanS_ | oh wel.. | 10:31 |
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| jjesse | hello | 10:33 |
| jjesse | is there a list of tribe1 bugs that need to be looked at? | 10:33 |
| DaSkreech | Night all | 10:34 |
| DaSkreech | _StefanS_: I'll give you an update when alpha 2 ships :) | 10:36 |
| _StefanS_ | DaSkreech: thanks ;) | 10:36 |
| _StefanS_ | night | 10:36 |
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| toma | http://www.ubuntustats.com/ is cool | 11:59 |
| Riddell | is it ajax? | 12:01 |
| toma | probably | 12:03 |
| toma | "Skype 1.4 Beta does not like my KDE 4", someone living on the edge. | 12:03 |
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