=== xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387C526.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180068044.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dany_21 [n=dan@83-65-233-223.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-124.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=rbrunhub@p549757EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.107.222] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@ppp-70-226-90-224.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken__ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === huahua [n=huahua@60.20.61.177] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=chatzill@dial-207-254-131-58.dyn.infochan.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44554.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-124.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:12] Is there a way to run an install from the CLI on the live Cd? [05:21] you absolutely need X to be up [05:22] blast [05:22] that sucks === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-041-230.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:35] Jucato: poke [05:36] DaSkreech: yep? [05:36] Jucato: what's the policy for people who tell people looking for help to rm -rf / [05:37] where? [05:37] *I* usually reprimand them first... others just kick :) [05:38] ah I see [05:38] esp when they say @r$e things like Whoops sorry wrong window like they meant to type that in the terminal === apacheLAGger [n=me@N727P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=chatzill@dial-207-254-131-58.dyn.infochan.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-041-230.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.195] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lithium__ [n=lithium@69.92.223.52] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:49] can someone instruct me on installing software in kubuntu? [06:49] using Adept? === Jucato points lithium__ at #kubuntu [06:50] (should probably keep it there, since you're already being assisted there) === DaSkreech gently pushes lithium__ back to #kubuntu === lithium__ [n=lithium@69.92.223.52] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:08] !ping [07:08] pong [07:08] Ha ha === Hobbsee waves === Jucato surfs again... === Jucato does some heavy thinking.... [07:09] Surf's Up! === LongPointyStick pokes DaSkreech [07:11] Jucato: what's the heavy thinking about? [07:11] systemsettings... === DaSkreech giggles [07:11] ahh === DaSkreech ponders asking about the depth === DaSkreech doesn't like drowning [07:13] DaSkreech: bigger than you [07:16] you know what he's thinking? [07:23] about how much work systemsettings is to do for kde4 :P === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.120.83] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:23] isn't it mostly a front fo kcontrol? [07:24] so shouldn't we wait for kcontrol to get sorted first? [07:24] not to my knowldege [07:24] they're both frontends to the modules [07:25] Well yeah same concept [07:25] how many of those have been rewritten for KDE4 already? [07:26] kcontrol (the shell) currently doesn't work on kde4 at all [07:26] the modules work though.. but they need to be redesigned... terribly... [07:27] Hobbsee: how much work? can I say "lots"? [07:27] Shouldn't that be the place to start? [07:27] DaSkreech: no reason why they can't be done simultaneously... [07:28] the individual modules need to comply with HIG, but the shell needs lots of work as well... [07:28] true. But there might be a mindset change for KDE4 [07:28] mindset change on what? === Jucato thinks the General/Advanced separation isn't working a bit.... [07:29] I mean the concept... but hey, I'm not el or seele :) [07:34] Night all!! :) [07:34] bye === jonasp [i=jonas@i59F75E82.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:42] yay, Riddell! [08:42] Riddell: archive still appears to work === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-041-230.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@81.168.42.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby_ [n=richard@81.168.42.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby_ is now known as Arby [10:31] Hobbsee: phew [10:31] Riddell: :) [10:32] Riddell: please make sure someone takes pictures and posts them online if you end up being in your kilt. === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-255-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@katapult/developer/tvo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:55] ScottK: ? are you there? === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44554.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === IppatsuManXYZ [n=kvirc@213-140-19-123.fastres.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:11] Jucato: I agree on that general/advanced one [01:11] hi mhb! [01:11] btw, I propose renaming System to "System Tools" in the K Menu if ever we do rename that... [01:11] and in Fedora, the Terminal is still in System Tools, not in Accessories [01:16] Jucato: Fedora GNOME? [01:16] yep [01:17] just for reference [01:17] hmm [01:17] I'm wondering if we will have to change system settings' name if ever it becomes chosen as the kcontrol replacement in kde4 [01:19] Jucato: is that even possible? [01:19] what is? [01:19] Jucato: I don't follow KDE discussions, so I don't know [01:19] ah Riddell already proposed it to kde-core-devel... [01:19] but we need to fix a lot if it ever gets accepted... === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-131-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:25] grumble. lost my voice now. [01:26] :( === Hobbsee spent too long talking on the phone... [01:26] hehe h:) [01:27] oops... the 'h' detached === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387F8DA.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:36] ooh, the oxygen windeco looks *nice* [01:38] is it finally done? O.o [01:38] er I mean semi-done [01:39] last time I tried to build it, it was all red... [01:39] http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2007/06/oxygen-style-is-coming-to-town.html [01:40] aah === apacheLAGger [n=me@N809P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@203.87.200.214] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb [n=martin@ubuntu/member/mhb] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@02-174.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=rbrunhub@d058.fhm.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=rbrunhub@d058.fhm.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@02-174.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:42] Riddell: I've got the .so into p2moto (only soft links missing). I'll try later to fix this too === nosrednaekim [n=michael@02-174.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@katapult/developer/tvo] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:10] hi RadiantFire [03:10] hi [03:11] sorry I've been missing as of late, there were some technical troubles with my shell account for a few days [03:11] hiya [03:11] hey... I was wondering something. When you try to copy something to a place where you don't have enough permissions, why doesn't konqueror prompt you with a "kdesu" dialog? [03:12] why does it just give you a " not enough permissions"? [03:12] why should it? === Jucato thinks hard... [03:13] because other wise I have to open up a whole new konqueror window to drop to [03:13] which is annoying. [03:13] RadiantFire: no problem [03:13] much better to have a prompt to upgrade your permissions [03:13] os x behaves that way [03:14] it gives you an "Authenticate" option [03:14] it presumes 1) the user doing it is a sudoer and 2) it really something that should be done [03:14] imho only :) [03:14] but then you have to ask, why doesn't the shell do that as well? :) [03:15] because authenticating from a shell is easier :-) [03:15] yeah well,on the shell its easy to just prefix sudo [03:15] it doesn't have to be automatic, just easy enough [03:15] I guess [03:15] in konqueror, you have to renavigate to where you want to paste [03:15] there are konqueror servicemenus that allow you to open a folder as root though... of course they're 3rd party [03:15] Mez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [03:15] Jucato: now that was unnecessary :o) [03:16] mhb: after wondering for week where the bloody hell he was, that was just appropriate :) [03:16] for weeks* [03:16] Jucato: oh, there's this lovely thing called email, that might help you sometimes :o) [03:17] bah. email's overrated [03:17] mhb: I'm gonna be back a little later and then resume tinkering see if I can't figure it out. I've put it aside this week and now I have some ideas === Hobbsee ignores her inbox again [03:17] email? too slow [03:17] mhb: and you presume DaSkreech hasn't tried that? :) [03:17] mhb: he even tried to send a mail... [03:18] hi Jucato [03:18] nosrednaekim: perhaps it might be better to concentrate on dolphin, as it's going to be the preferred file manager in both kubuntu and kde4 [03:18] welcome back Mez :D [03:19] mhb: will it have that functionality? [03:19] nosrednaekim: I tried the dolphin in Feisty now, which doesn't have it [03:20] Jucato, thx [03:20] bbiab [03:20] I seriously don't recommend trying Dolphin on KDE 3 :) [03:20] mhb: would such funtionality be a security risk? === Hobbsee wants to see kde4 out soon... :P === nosrednaekim points to the kubuntu mirrors === Jucato points to "out soon" as meaning "released" [03:21] no, final. or beta [03:21] a working one. [03:21] nosrednaekim: in my opinion a button to "get more privileges" doesn't sound that risky [03:22] http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Root+Actions+Servicemenu+(for+Kubuntu)?content=48411 [03:23] Mez: which guy? [03:23] don't think it's a security risk... I'm just concerned about other things... [03:23] mhb: I was talking on an operation by operation basis [03:25] thanks Jucato... I'll give it a shot [03:39] Jucato: that doesn't do the right thing [03:40] nosrednaekim: um ok.. hold on.. I think I made my own service menu :) [03:41] all I want it to do is "copy as root" or something like that [03:43] nosrednaekim: well for one you can't have 2 "users" using a single Konqueror window.. so I don't think that would be possible without opening a new Konqueror window anyway [03:44] http://jucato.org/stuff/open_as_root.desktop try that service menu... [03:44] ok [03:45] just put it in ~/.kde/apps/konqueror/servicemenus [03:45] k [03:50] Ok thats good Jucato [03:50] thanks! [03:51] one _little_ thing more.. [03:52] hm.... [03:52] you know the "copy to" dialog in the service menu? [03:52] would it possible to add a "copy to as root"? [03:52] hm.... [03:52] not saying for you to do it or anything.. [03:53] not sure... [03:53] I was just wondering if it was possible. I'll go out and do it if it is possible [03:55] I'm not sure if it's possible... but I guess it depends on 1) the command to be used and 2) if Konqueror allows 2 users in 1 window... [03:56] I guess you could run "kfmclient copy " [03:56] prefixed by a kdesu of course. [03:57] where are the default service menu's stored? I'd like to know what to copy? [03:57] /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus I guess [03:58] there might be some in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings as well [03:58] ok [03:58] yep thats it.. thanks. [04:01] strangely Jucato, there is no copy dialog in there. [04:01] you mean the one that pops up when you drag and drop a file? [04:02] no, the one thats on the menu when you right-click on a file [04:02] oh that's a built-in I think [04:02] hmmm what about the drag and drop, is that default as well? [04:03] yep [04:03] not a service menu [04:04] anyway, I think it's not possible to have a drag and drop in the same window (whether it be a different tab or view) from normal user to superuser directories... [04:05] hmmm ok. [04:10] what if it popped up a kdesu'd file dialog? [04:10] dunno... sory [04:10] sorry* [04:11] yeah ok. I'll mosey along over to #kde [04:11] thanks! [04:13] nosrednaekim: first thing you have to consider would be how to run a script triggered by a drag and drop into a root owned folder... that's definitely not a servicemenu === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-128-021.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p54965999.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@ppp-70-226-90-224.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-124.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@02-174.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #kubuntu-devel === stdin_ [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:52] i'm trying to build a package for autoq3d a qt4 3d modeling apps. but even if my package build well it is empty (only documentation) i think there is no install rules in makefile! how can i check wich files are build and where they are ton install them ? === rbrunhuber [n=rbrunhub@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:58] afternoon [07:00] hiya jjesse [07:00] how are you Hobbsee? [07:00] jjesse: i'm looking for a shotgun, to shoot the stupid people. [07:00] i have one in my basement, should i ship it to you? [07:01] though i would have to clear it w/ my wife as the shotgun is heres [07:01] Hobbsee: Been adding to your killfile today? [07:01] ScottK: yeah. see ubuntu-devel-discuss ML and such. === ScottK thought so. [07:01] jjesse: that'd be good. dont think they're legal here though. especially to shoot people [07:02] my wife and i shoot clay pigeon w/ it (skeet shooting( [07:02] she's better then me [07:02] ahhh [07:03] i hate filling out expense reports [07:03] twitch [07:03] nwo, that's what i shoudl do. === Hobbsee really should actually go and manhandle the scanner === Hobbsee has 13 days :P [07:03] Until? [07:03] until i cant claim anymore [07:03] Ah [07:04] UDS [07:05] i try to keep my work credit card at $0 [07:05] but its hard to do [07:05] i am currently look at a 3 inch stack of receipts :( === ScottK notes that the idiot in question continues to post to ubuntu-devel-discuss... [07:07] ScottK: indeed, yes. [07:08] I've tried to "Help" him before and I'm pretty convinced it's impossible. [07:08] hehe [07:08] yes [07:08] We may well end up needing a mod to the w.u.c software to automatically revert any changes he makes. [07:08] hahahahha [07:08] looking at the recent wiki pages he's done...that's not a bad idea [07:08] o rjust disable his LP account === jjesse opens up email to look at ubuntu-devel-discuss [07:09] jjesse: Were sunglasses when you do. [07:10] oops [07:10] :) [07:10] Were/Wear [07:10] i understood [07:10] in fact I didn't even notice the typo === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44554.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee --> bed [07:14] dont let the place burn up [07:14] night Hobbsee [07:14] wow that week expense report is $1900 [07:14] ouchy [07:14] i have a nother week to fill out :) === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44554.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44554.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44554.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:33] where can i setup a "basic" configuration for every user for an application? I'm packaging autoQ3D wich need to know where are other files (/usr/share/autoq3d), it's store in ~/.config/AutoQ3D/AutoQ3D.conf is there a way to make this config in my package? === DaSkreech [n=chatzill@dial-207-254-131-22.dyn.infochan.com] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === stdin_ [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=chatzill@dial-207-254-131-42.dyn.infochan.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEFBD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb [n=martin@ubuntu/member/mhb] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger [n=me@N722P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger === n8k99 [n=n8k99@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:50] Jucato: no exclamation marks for me, huh? How rude... :o) === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:02] <_StefanS_> sweet, my cloaking works now :) [10:02] <_StefanS_> and hi all. === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech sticks My other vehicle is a Bird-Of-Prey bumper sticker on _StefanS_'s forehead === ash211 [n=andrew@wsip-70-182-240-156.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:05] <_StefanS_> ouch :) === DaSkreech only licked it a little [10:08] ewww [10:10] <_StefanS_> so whats up.. ? any news ? [10:21] Linspire sold out after cursing novell for selling out [10:25] DaSkreech: So how excited are you about getting their Click N Run service for Ubuntu now? [10:26] same as I was before [10:27] Not so much I gather? [10:27] I forgot about it until someone mentions it [10:27] _StefanS_: system settings might get into KDE4 as default [10:28] looking very likely that [10:28] <_StefanS_> ah that sounds sweet [10:28] _StefanS_: but you may be aware of that, it's just me who doesn't read mailing lists [10:28] <_StefanS_> better than kcontrol anyways [10:28] <_StefanS_> mhb: didnt know it :) [10:28] I've learnt with Roberts to wait until he does something versus him saying he's going to do it [10:28] <_StefanS_> is it going to utilize that new klistview thingy from dolphin ? it looks kinda neat === DaSkreech grumbles about keyboard navigation [10:30] <_StefanS_> btw, is the desktop starting to get more useful in kde4 ? (=working i mean, like rightclick menu and so on ) [10:30] <_StefanS_> havent seen the last snapshots [10:30] I think that was working from alpha 1 [10:31] <_StefanS_> oh, wait.. probably; but it never worked for me :) crashed every time [10:31] <_StefanS_> oh wel.. === jjesse [n=jjesse@ppp-70-226-90-224.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:33] hello [10:33] is there a list of tribe1 bugs that need to be looked at? [10:34] Night all [10:36] _StefanS_: I'll give you an update when alpha 2 ships :) [10:36] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: thanks ;) [10:36] <_StefanS_> night === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEFBD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-016-106.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@05-048.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luka74 [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luka74 is now known as Lure === nosrednaekim [n=michael@05-048.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [11:59] http://www.ubuntustats.com/ is cool [12:01] is it ajax? [12:03] probably [12:03] "Skype 1.4 Beta does not like my KDE 4", someone living on the edge.