[05:12] <DaSkreech> Is there a way to run an install from the CLI on the live Cd?
[05:21] <Jucato> you absolutely need X to be up
[05:22] <DaSkreech> blast
[05:22] <DaSkreech> that sucks
[05:35] <DaSkreech> Jucato: poke
[05:36] <Jucato> DaSkreech: yep?
[05:36] <DaSkreech> Jucato: what's the policy for people who tell people looking for help to rm -rf /
[05:37] <Jucato> where?
[05:37] <Jucato> *I* usually reprimand them first... others just kick :)
[05:38] <Jucato> ah I see
[05:38] <DaSkreech> esp when they say @r$e things like Whoops sorry wrong window like they meant to type that in the terminal
[06:49] <lithium__> can someone instruct me on installing software in kubuntu?
[06:49] <crimsun> using Adept?
[06:50] <crimsun> (should probably keep it there, since you're already being assisted there)
[07:08] <Hobbsee_> !ping
[07:08] <ubotu> pong
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[07:09] <DaSkreech> Surf's Up!
[07:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what's the heavy thinking about?
[07:11] <Jucato> systemsettings...
[07:11] <Hobbsee> ahh
[07:13] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: bigger than you
[07:16] <DaSkreech> you know what he's thinking?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> about how much work systemsettings is to do for kde4 :P
[07:23] <DaSkreech> isn't it mostly a front fo kcontrol?
[07:24] <DaSkreech> so shouldn't we wait for kcontrol to get sorted first?
[07:24] <Hobbsee> not to my knowldege
[07:24] <Hobbsee> they're both frontends to the modules
[07:25] <DaSkreech> Well yeah same concept
[07:25] <DaSkreech> how many of those have been rewritten for KDE4 already?
[07:26] <Jucato> kcontrol (the shell) currently doesn't work on kde4 at all
[07:26] <Jucato> the modules work though.. but they need to be redesigned... terribly...
[07:27] <Jucato> Hobbsee: how much work? can I say "lots"?
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Shouldn't that be the place to start?
[07:27] <Jucato> DaSkreech: no reason why they can't be done simultaneously...
[07:28] <Jucato> the individual modules need to comply with HIG, but the shell needs lots of work as well...
[07:28] <DaSkreech> true. But there might be a mindset change for KDE4
[07:28] <Jucato> mindset change on what?
[07:29] <Jucato> I mean the concept... but hey, I'm not el or seele :)
[07:34] <DaSkreech> Night all!! :)
[07:34] <Jucato> bye
[08:42] <Hobbsee> yay, Riddell!
[08:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: archive still appears to work
[10:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: phew
[10:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :)
[10:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: please make sure someone takes pictures and posts them online if you end up being in your kilt.
[11:55] <marseillai> ScottK: ? are you there?
[01:11] <mhb> Jucato: I agree on that general/advanced one
[01:11] <Jucato> hi mhb!
[01:11] <Jucato> btw, I propose renaming System to "System Tools" in the K Menu if ever we do rename that...
[01:11] <Jucato> and in Fedora, the Terminal is still in System Tools, not in Accessories
[01:16] <mhb> Jucato: Fedora GNOME?
[01:16] <Jucato> yep
[01:17] <Jucato> just for reference
[01:17] <mhb> hmm
[01:17] <Jucato> I'm wondering if we will have to change system settings' name if ever it becomes chosen as the kcontrol replacement in kde4
[01:19] <mhb> Jucato: is that even possible?
[01:19] <Jucato> what is?
[01:19] <mhb> Jucato: I don't follow KDE discussions, so I don't know
[01:19] <Jucato> ah Riddell already proposed it to kde-core-devel...
[01:19] <Jucato> but we need to fix a lot if it ever gets accepted...
[01:25] <Hobbsee> grumble.  lost my voice now.
[01:26] <Jucato> :(
[01:26] <Jucato> hehe h:)
[01:27] <Jucato> oops... the 'h' detached
[01:36] <xerosis> ooh, the oxygen windeco looks *nice*
[01:38] <Jucato> is it finally done? O.o
[01:38] <Jucato> er I mean semi-done
[01:39] <Jucato> last time I tried to build it, it was all red...
[01:39] <xerosis> http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2007/06/oxygen-style-is-coming-to-town.html
[01:40] <Jucato> aah
[02:42] <allee> Riddell: I've got the .so into p2moto (only soft links missing).  I'll try later to fix this too
[03:10] <mhb> hi RadiantFire
[03:10] <RadiantFire> hi
[03:11] <RadiantFire> sorry I've been missing as of late, there were some technical troubles with my shell account for a few days
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hiya
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> hey... I was wondering something. When you try to copy something to a place where you don't have enough permissions, why doesn't konqueror prompt you with a "kdesu" dialog?
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> why does it just give you a " not enough permissions"?
[03:12] <Jucato> why should it?
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> because other wise I have to open up a whole new konqueror window to drop to
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> which is annoying.
[03:13] <mhb> RadiantFire: no problem
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> much better to have a prompt to upgrade your permissions
[03:13] <RadiantFire> os x behaves that way
[03:14] <RadiantFire> it gives you an "Authenticate" option
[03:14] <Jucato> it presumes 1) the user doing it is a sudoer and 2) it really something that should be done
[03:14] <Jucato> imho only :)
[03:14] <Jucato> but then you have to ask, why doesn't the shell do that as well? :)
[03:15] <RadiantFire> because authenticating from a shell is easier :-)
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> yeah well,on the shell its easy to just prefix sudo
[03:15] <mhb> it doesn't have to be automatic, just easy enough
[03:15] <mhb> I guess
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> in konqueror, you have to renavigate to where you want to paste
[03:15] <Jucato> there are konqueror servicemenus that allow you to open a folder as root though... of course they're 3rd party
[03:15] <Jucato> Mez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:15] <mhb> Jucato: now that was unnecessary :o)
[03:16] <Jucato> mhb: after wondering for week where the bloody hell he was, that was just appropriate :)
[03:16] <Jucato> for weeks*
[03:16] <mhb> Jucato: oh, there's this lovely thing called email, that might help you sometimes :o)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> bah. email's overrated
[03:17] <RadiantFire> mhb: I'm gonna be back a little later and then resume tinkering see if I can't figure it out. I've put it aside this week and now I have some ideas
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> email? too slow
[03:17] <Jucato> mhb: and you presume DaSkreech hasn't tried that? :)
[03:17] <Jucato> mhb: he even tried to send a mail...
[03:18] <Mez> hi Jucato
[03:18] <mhb> nosrednaekim: perhaps it might be better to concentrate on dolphin, as it's going to be the preferred file manager in both kubuntu and kde4
[03:18] <Jucato> welcome back Mez :D
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> mhb: will it have that functionality?
[03:19] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I tried the dolphin in Feisty now, which doesn't have it
[03:20] <Mez> Jucato, thx
[03:20] <Mez> bbiab
[03:20] <Jucato> I seriously don't recommend trying Dolphin on KDE 3 :)
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> mhb: would such funtionality be a security risk?
[03:21] <Hobbsee> no, final.  or beta
[03:21] <Hobbsee> a working one.
[03:21] <mhb> nosrednaekim: in my opinion a button to "get more privileges" doesn't sound that risky
[03:22] <Jucato> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Root+Actions+Servicemenu+(for+Kubuntu)?content=48411
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Mez: which guy?
[03:23] <Jucato> don't think it's a security risk... I'm just concerned about other things...
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> mhb: I was talking on an operation by operation basis
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> thanks Jucato... I'll give it a shot
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: that doesn't do the right thing
[03:40] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: um ok.. hold on.. I think I made my own service menu :)
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> all I want it to do is "copy as root" or something like that
[03:43] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: well for one you can't have 2 "users" using a single Konqueror window.. so I don't think that would be possible without opening a new Konqueror window anyway
[03:44] <Jucato> http://jucato.org/stuff/open_as_root.desktop try that service menu...
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> ok
[03:45] <Jucato> just put it in ~/.kde/apps/konqueror/servicemenus
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> k
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> Ok thats good Jucato
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> thanks!
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> one _little_ thing more..
[03:52] <Jucato> hm....
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> you know the "copy to" dialog in the service menu?
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> would it possible to add a "copy to as root"?
[03:52] <Jucato> hm....
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> not saying for you to do it or anything..
[03:53] <Jucato> not sure...
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> I was just wondering if it was possible. I'll go out and do it if it is possible
[03:55] <Jucato> I'm not sure if it's possible... but I guess it depends on 1) the command to be used and 2) if Konqueror allows 2 users in 1 window...
[03:56] <nosrednaekim> I guess you could run "kfmclient copy <source> <dest>"
[03:56] <nosrednaekim> prefixed by a kdesu of course.
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> where are the default service menu's stored? I'd like to know what to copy?
[03:57] <Jucato>  /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus I guess
[03:58] <Jucato> there might be some in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings as well
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> ok
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> yep thats it.. thanks.
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> strangely Jucato, there is no copy dialog in there.
[04:01] <Jucato> you mean the one that pops up when you drag and drop a file?
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> no, the one thats on the menu when you right-click on a file
[04:02] <Jucato> oh that's a built-in I think
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> hmmm what about the drag and drop, is that default as well?
[04:03] <Jucato> yep
[04:03] <Jucato> not a service menu
[04:04] <Jucato> anyway, I think it's not possible to have a drag and drop in the same window (whether it be a different tab or view) from normal user to superuser directories...
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> hmmm ok.
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> what if it popped up a kdesu'd file dialog?
[04:10] <Jucato> dunno... sory
[04:10] <Jucato> sorry*
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> yeah ok. I'll mosey along over to #kde
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> thanks!
[04:13] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: first thing you have to consider would be how to run a script triggered by a drag and drop into a root owned folder... that's definitely not a servicemenu
[06:52] <marseillai> i'm trying to build a package for autoq3d a qt4 3d modeling apps. but even if my package build well it is empty (only documentation) i think there is no install rules in makefile! how can i check wich files are build and where they are ton install them ?
[06:58] <jjesse> afternoon
[07:00] <Hobbsee> hiya jjesse
[07:00] <jjesse> how are you Hobbsee?
[07:00] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i'm looking for a shotgun, to shoot the stupid people.
[07:00] <jjesse> i have one in my basement, should i ship it to you?
[07:01] <jjesse> though i would have to clear it w/ my wife as the shotgun is heres
[07:01] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Been adding to your killfile today?
[07:01] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yeah.  see ubuntu-devel-discuss ML and such.
[07:01] <Hobbsee> jjesse: that'd be good.  dont think they're legal here though.  especially to shoot people
[07:02] <jjesse> my wife and i shoot clay pigeon w/ it (skeet shooting(
[07:02] <jjesse> she's better then me
[07:02] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[07:03] <jjesse> i hate filling out expense reports
[07:03] <Hobbsee> twitch
[07:03] <Hobbsee> nwo, that's what i shoudl do.
[07:03] <ScottK> Until?
[07:03] <Hobbsee> until i cant claim anymore
[07:03] <ScottK> Ah
[07:04] <Hobbsee> UDS
[07:05] <jjesse> i try to keep my work credit card at $0
[07:05] <jjesse> but its hard to do
[07:05] <jjesse> i am currently look at a 3 inch stack of receipts :(
[07:07] <Hobbsee> ScottK: indeed, yes.
[07:08] <ScottK> I've tried to "Help" him before and I'm pretty convinced it's impossible.
[07:08] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:08] <Hobbsee> yes
[07:08] <ScottK> We may well end up needing a mod to the w.u.c software to automatically revert any changes he makes.
[07:08] <Hobbsee> hahahahha
[07:08] <Hobbsee> looking at the recent wiki pages he's done...that's not a bad idea
[07:08] <Hobbsee> o rjust disable his LP account
[07:09] <ScottK> jjesse: Were sunglasses when you do.
[07:10] <ScottK> oops
[07:10] <jjesse> :)
[07:10] <ScottK> Were/Wear
[07:10] <jjesse> i understood
[07:10] <jjesse> in fact I didn't even notice the typo
[07:14] <Hobbsee> dont let the place burn up
[07:14] <jjesse> night Hobbsee
[07:14] <jjesse> wow that week expense report is $1900
[07:14] <Hobbsee> ouchy
[07:14] <jjesse> i have a nother week to fill out :)
[08:33] <marseillai> where can i setup a "basic" configuration for every user for an application? I'm packaging autoQ3D wich need to know where are other files (/usr/share/autoq3d), it's store in ~/.config/AutoQ3D/AutoQ3D.conf is there a way to make this config in my package?
[09:50] <mhb> Jucato: no exclamation marks for me, huh? How rude... :o)
[10:02] <_StefanS_> sweet, my cloaking works now :)
[10:02] <_StefanS_> and hi all.
[10:05] <_StefanS_> ouch :)
[10:08] <n8k99> ewww
[10:10] <_StefanS_> so whats up.. ?  any news ?
[10:21] <DaSkreech> Linspire sold out after cursing novell for selling out
[10:25] <ScottK> DaSkreech: So how excited are you about getting their Click N Run service for Ubuntu now?
[10:26] <DaSkreech> same as I was before
[10:27] <ScottK> Not so much I gather?
[10:27] <DaSkreech> I forgot about it until someone mentions it
[10:27] <mhb> _StefanS_: system settings might get into KDE4 as default
[10:28] <Riddell> looking very likely that
[10:28] <_StefanS_> ah that sounds sweet
[10:28] <mhb> _StefanS_: but you may be aware of that, it's just me who doesn't read mailing lists
[10:28] <_StefanS_> better than kcontrol anyways
[10:28] <_StefanS_> mhb: didnt know it :)
[10:28] <DaSkreech> I've learnt with Roberts to wait until he does something versus him saying he's going to do it
[10:28] <_StefanS_> is it going to utilize that new klistview thingy from dolphin ? it looks kinda neat
[10:30] <_StefanS_> btw, is the desktop starting to get more useful in kde4 ? (=working i mean, like rightclick menu and so on )
[10:30] <_StefanS_> havent seen the last snapshots
[10:30] <DaSkreech> I think that was working from alpha 1
[10:31] <_StefanS_> oh, wait.. probably; but it never worked for me :) crashed every time
[10:31] <_StefanS_> oh wel..
[10:33] <jjesse> hello
[10:33] <jjesse> is there a list of tribe1 bugs that need to be looked at?
[10:34] <DaSkreech> Night all
[10:36] <DaSkreech> _StefanS_: I'll give you an update when alpha 2 ships :)
[10:36] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: thanks ;)
[10:36] <_StefanS_> night
[11:59] <toma> http://www.ubuntustats.com/ is cool
[12:01] <Riddell> is it ajax?
[12:03] <toma> probably
[12:03] <toma> "Skype 1.4 Beta does not like my KDE 4", someone living on the edge.