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darkriftdont know how to install an rpm12:14
darkrifton here12:14
Minatakudarkrift: That's because *buntu uses APT12:14
domrodrigo, no problem.   you find the history yet?  it's the clock icon12:14
darkrifti know12:14
rodrigoyep with f9 thanks dom12:14
MinatakuIt can be converted, but using packages for other distributions can be troublesome12:14
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DarkWizzardcould you guys help me out12:15
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DarkWizzardwith some code12:15
Minatakudarkrift: Go ahead and try it, but if it says there are any dependencies, don't continue unless it can grab them automatically12:15
DarkWizzardthe font won't change in the QTextEdit12:15
DarkEDum somehow i seem to have set myself to 'away' in konversation... how do i un-do that? lol12:15
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darksoul_is fglrx disabled with this DISABLED_MODULES="ath_hal fc fglrx ltm nv"12:15
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darkriftor try /away again12:15
DarkEDahh nice12:15
DarkWizzardbad chanel12:15
darkriftdid it work DarkED?12:16
MinatakuThe problem with mixing is usually incompatible dependencies12:16
DarkEDdarksoul_: yes it's disabled, remove fglrx from the list to enable it12:16
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DarkEDdarkrift: yep :)12:16
MinatakuIf it doesn't have any, you should be fine12:16
darkriftno prob :)12:16
MinatakuIf it does, bail out12:16
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MinatakuOtherwise you end up in dependency hell with a broken system12:17
MinatakuAnd much like real hell, you have to be a bad-ass space marine to get out of dependency hell.12:17
Kr4t05Alright, I may be tried as a blasphemer for asking this but, is the method for restoring GRUB any different if you're dual-booting Vista?12:17
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darksoul_DarkED so if i remove it i will be able to install the ATI drivers?12:18
MinatakuI'm hungry12:18
MinatakuI'ma go eat12:18
BluesKajdamm grub link is broken somehow but there doesn't seem to be a fix that suits my setup ...most of the fixes are for other OSs or pc's with 2 HDDs.12:18
DarkEDdarksoul_: i dont know, i just know that modules on that list are disabled :)12:18
MinatakuSorry for getting all yelling and such >.<12:18
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DarkEDdarksoul_: i dont have ati, i have nvidia12:18
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darksoul_damn mass nvidia productions :P12:18
BluesKajKr4t05, are you able to boot vista or linux , which is it ?12:19
Kr4t05BluesKaj: I can boot Vista.12:19
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Kr4t05BluesKaj: I need my GRUB back for Kubuntu. :)12:20
BluesKajdarksoul_, try this tutorial ..works for my ati 200g card12:20
BluesKajKr4t05, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows12:21
Daisuke_IdoStep one: Format Windows partition.  Step two: reinstall GRUB12:22
Kr4t05BluesKaj: I figured that would be it. I wasn't sure if I needed a different approach with Vista, thought.12:22
BluesKajI need a grub that works , not constantly giving me errors12:22
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ubuntui lost my kubuntu becouse i reinstall windows12:23
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto12:23
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ubuntuhelp me plz12:23
Daisuke_Idoubuntu: read the links you were JUST given.12:23
dom!grub | ubuntu12:24
ubotuubuntu: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto12:24
domah, there we go12:24
Daisuke_Idookay, so perhaps they weren't given specifically to you, but for the love of god, READ.12:24
domman, that bot is handy12:24
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domthe grub link should fix everyone's problems though12:24
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jdmmadecan anyone tell me how to  turn my screen brightness up more?12:25
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about brightness - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:25
daquin1is irc.ubuntu.org a relay for irc.freeonde.net?12:25
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domdaquin1, yes12:25
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.12:25
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about bright - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:25
Kr4t05jdmmade: What kind of video card do you have?12:25
jdmmadeintel 95012:26
jdmmadeor something12:26
daquin1wahts with the bug in kubuntu that some times windows show up super small WxH12:26
Kr4t05Hrm... Does anyone know if the Intel drivers have any configuration tool?12:26
daquin1and i think i found a bug in the wireless assisstant or something underlying12:26
daquin1the way it runs the iwconfig line is wrong12:26
BluesKajhmm ../boot/boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly..12:27
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llutzBluesKaj: ../boot/boot/grub/stage2 ?? should be /boot/grub/stage212:29
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BluesKajsowhere do I fix that line , llutz?12:31
llutzBluesKaj: good question, next one please ;) sry no idea12:31
llutzBluesKaj: which prog gives you that error?12:31
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BluesKajI don't see the point of dumping windows to restore grub , when grub is broken and almosy impossible to fix in the first place12:38
hasanhi guys12:38
dragonfordgereinstall your linux12:39
BluesKaji've restored grub in various ways , always with same outcome : "error 15 , file not found"12:39
hasanis there anybody who ahs achieved to sync his mobile phone with kubuntu?12:39
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hasanmobile phone and kubuntu?12:39
dragonfordgewill reload grub12:39
hasando they go well with each other?12:39
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BluesKajdragonfordge, it's linux' fault that grub is broken after a synaptic update which broke it12:40
dragonfordgeim running xp and umbuntu12:40
BluesKajsame here12:40
dragonfordgeon the same drive12:40
BluesKajsame here12:40
NickPrestaBluesKaj, I understand your frustration but I've yet to hear of this issue with any recent updates affecting anyone else. Perhaps your case is isolated.12:40
dragonfordgedid have it on seprate drives at one time12:41
BluesKaji've seen several complaints of the same problem ....so far no fixes12:41
dragonfordgewin xp woulnt start with linux drive out12:41
llutzBluesKaj: can you paste your menu.lst please?12:41
BluesKajok, hangon12:42
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NickPrestaBluesKaj, I would think that if several people have this problem, a bug report or forum topic must have been created. If that is the case, then a bug fix should be along shortly. I suppose you will have to experiment a bit or wait for a solution...12:43
dragonfordgeits the only way i know to reinstall grub12:43
dragonfordgehope so12:43
GSF1200Sim kind of a speed whore guys.. any of you know of any superfast yet stable KDE distros to tinker with on the side?12:44
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BluesKajok gents : http://www.pastebin.ca/56897312:44
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Syndicat3Could someone please message me? I almost have beryl working....12:44
c0rruptbah, i forgot who was helping me yesterday but i still cannot resolve my problems with the xserver locking up on boot12:44
c0rruptused to work perfectly in v6, might be a problem with the xserver itself12:45
llutzBluesKaj: can you please paste "ls -l /" too12:45
BluesKajNickPresta, I'm using supergrub disk to do a direct linux boot into kubuntu ...atleast that works12:45
GSF1200SSyndicat3.. whats not working12:45
NickPrestaBluesKaj, may I whisper you?12:45
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BluesKajllutz, http://www.pastebin.ca/56897612:47
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BluesKajyes NickPresta ?12:47
llutzBluesKaj: the kernel-lines in menu.lst are broken12:47
llutzBluesKaj: kernel   /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-generic ....12:48
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llutzBluesKaj: the path in your file is wrong, therefor: file not found12:48
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waylandbillokay. I've used Kubuntu for 12 months now. Who can beat that?12:49
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GSF1200Swaylandbill.. ive used it for a month and I want a different KDE distro12:49
BluesKajI'm close waylandbill12:49
Arwenhey guys, where can I get a keygen for Ubuntu?12:49
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waylandbillArwen: keygen.us ;)12:50
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Arwenlol... that was a joke you know, lol12:50
waylandbillBluesKaj: how's the weather down under?12:51
BluesKajup here you mean ...canada here ...bloody hot today :)12:52
waylandbillArwen: of course. Are you a Lord of the Rings fan?12:52
Arwenwaylandbill, na, LoTR is for British buggers :-)12:52
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cyberg7358Hello from Tampa, Fl (New Ubuntu user)12:52
waylandbillBluesKaj: sorry thought you were an aussie. I must've confused you with someone else. ooops12:53
llutzBluesKaj: try this one http://www.pastebin.ca/56898512:53
NickPrestaBluesKaj, I'm in Canada too. Where are you from?12:53
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darksoul_is it possible to install direct x in wine?12:55
domwaylandbill,  I think my earlier Kubuntu disks are the 5.x discs, so that would be two years.  i think. i've definitely got a 5.10 disc here by i could've sworn i had a 5.04 too.  maybe not12:55
snowdonkeyHi, how do I see what my motherboard model is?12:55
Arwendarksoul_, well, you can use native dx libraries, but they won't necessarily work12:55
Arwenthe end result is about the same though12:55
waylandbilldarksoul_: nope. Wine inplements DX, but I think 9 is not fully done yet. 10 is supposed to be a step forward.12:56
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bankseyCan someone please tell me how to run RPm files, Would be greatly appricated :)12:56
darksoul_Arwen how do i do that?12:57
eriefisherHello fellow Canadians12:57
GSF1200Sbanksey.. alien12:57
Chousukebanksey: As a precaution: don't run rpm files. the answer: alien12:57
llutzbanksey: you can convert them with alien into .deb12:57
Daisuke_Idowhy in god's name would you want to mess with rpms?12:57
erichjbanksey: install fedora, rpm is a fedora thing12:57
waylandbillsnowdonkey: Look for the FCC ID silk screened on the circuit boarf12:57
GSF1200Sand that doesnt mean its going to go smoothly12:57
darksoul_waylandbill you are saying that i can try installing dx 9?12:57
BluesKajI'm in a small town near Sudbury , NickPresta12:57
Chousukedarksoul_: no12:57
Arwendarksoul_, in winecfg, you can specify which libraries to override with native ones12:57
Arwendarksoul_, but no, you can not actually install DirectX12:57
bankseyThank you erichj12:58
waylandbilldarksoul_: you cannot install DX9. Reverse engineering is getting to the point of implementing it.12:58
Chousukedarksoul_: direcx depends too much on core system components and hardware12:58
Chousukedarksoul_: wine implements its own version of directx912:58
snowdonkeywaylandbill Ok I will try, but no command to print motherboard information?  I'm just trying to figure out which drivers to download12:58
Chousukedarksoul_: if the app doesn't work with that, then your only option is to wait for them to fix the bugs12:58
waylandbillsnowdonkey: the best is to physically look at it.12:58
BluesKajNickPresta, where are you located?12:59
Chousukedarksoul_: dx9 is being worked on intensively, since many devs want game support, but don't expect too much too soon12:59
snowdonkeywaylandbill: alright, thanks.12:59
Chousukedarksoul_: many games already work though.12:59
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bankseyThanks all for help :)01:00
darksoul_i try to make lineage 2 work and i get You have triggered a bug in the DirectX 9.0 runtime. Please install DirectX 8.1b (or later) for a fix. See Release Notes for instructions on how to obtain it.01:00
Chousukedarksoul_: wine also has support for dx8.101:01
Chousukebut it sounds like a bug01:01
darksoul_i got that but i do not know how i can fix it01:01
Chousukecheck the app database if there's a fix or a workaround.01:01
waylandbilldarksoul_: time is your solution. If you want submit a bug report to the proper developers01:01
Daisuke_Idothrow a little money in with it, greases the wheels :D01:02
Chousukethe winehq site could use a redesign01:02
NickPrestaBluesKaj, I'm in Toronto :P01:02
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ChousukeI always spend a lot of time looking for the appdb link01:02
BluesKajok, I have 2 daughters living in toronto , NickPresta01:03
Daisuke_Idoit's the one on the left that says App DB01:03
Daisuke_Idobut i agree, it's too cluttered01:03
BluesKajNickPresta, where do i find the root partition indicator in the file ?01:03
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Chousukedarksoul_: which version of lineage 2 is this?01:04
Chousukedarksoul_: the appdb says chronicle 4 works.01:04
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BluesKajwell, I've done what ican so far01:05
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waylandbillI wish I could chat more, but must sleep. Compute well without me.01:06
darksoul_Chousuke i have installed Lineage II Interlude i think it is c5 or c601:06
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Chousukec5 is reported as nonworking01:06
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Chousukethough with old versions01:07
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Syndiwhat is that channel again01:13
ArwenSyndi, yes01:13
mark_I'm trying to help my dad (via long distance) get his wireless network up and running. He's completely new to Linux so I suggessted kUbuntu. I had to use ndiswrapper to get my system setup. Can anyone reccommend a good web-page?01:13
Syndinobody is there01:13
Syndiin the channel...01:13
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ArwenSyndi, your problem?01:14
Syndii messed around with some settings01:14
Syndiin beryl01:14
Syndii messed up the fire animation01:14
Syndiand i want it back to how it was01:14
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ArwenSyndi, click the brush icons... they revert settings01:15
snowdonkeyThe Beryl install instructions page for Ubuntu appears only to be for Feisty?  Is it safe to use in Dapper?  The Dapper FAQ on the site is empty.  The isntall instructions are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Support_for_nVidia_cards01:15
mark_Also a bit of clarification... He finally gets it to "see" his device, but can't load up any websites. Also no response on commandline apt-get update. Any suggesstions?01:15
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ubotuFor playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs01:17
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Syndithanks so much01:18
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VSpikecan anyone suggest a good lm-sensors display program for kde?01:28
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DragnslcrVSpike- KSensors is pretty good01:33
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VSpikeDragnslcr: I can't remember why now, but I recall not liking it.. but I'll have another go, thanks01:34
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DragnslcrIt's the only one I've found so far that's even remotely decent01:35
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yurimxpxman_is there any way to change the K button image?01:38
VSpikeDragnslcr: is there any way to get anything other than those horrible gauges?01:39
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hasanhow do i install arts01:40
hasani try to use krec but it says01:40
hasani lack arts what is that?01:40
hasananybody has any idea?01:40
hasanyour system missing synth_stereo_compressor01:41
VSpikehasan: arts is a realtime sound mixer and synth01:41
hasanwhat do i have to install it ?01:41
Arwenarts is a daemon for sound control01:41
hasanis it a part of kdemultimedia package?01:41
Arwenhasan, try apt-get install arts01:42
hasanso how can i start it01:42
hasanive already tried that01:42
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hasanroot@TrueFX:~# sudo artsd01:42
hasanCreating link /root/.kde/socket-TrueFX.01:42
hasancan't create mcop directory01:42
Arwenoh ho ho..01:43
Arwentry it without sudo01:43
hasansame result01:43
hasanive done it also01:43
Arwenhmm, no idea then01:43
hasanok thx thought01:43
Daisuke_Idotry not running as root.01:44
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DragnslcrVSpike- not that I've found01:46
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joyywhy does kubuntu 7.04 see my ata as SCSI?02:00
Arwenbecause of a change in libatqa02:00
Arweneverything's SCSI now02:01
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joyyoh so it's not wrong?02:01
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joyywhat about the EFIboot? Is that ok too?02:01
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Arwenno idea, I have a BIOS02:01
joyyI have too02:02
joyyI am talking about Kubuntu setting the boot partition as Efiboot02:02
Arwendidn't you just say you had an EFI-based system?02:02
rolnyzx_does anybody have a bunch of firefox crashes with flash websites? to me it's really annoying, specially when I am downloading big files, and the transfers break02:03
joyyit's a Dell02:03
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joyyno I didn't02:03
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joyyi have ATA drives not SATA or SCSI02:03
Arwenyes.... didn't we already discuss the fact that all ATA drives are seen as SCSI now?02:04
joyywell you then mentioned something about Efi based system02:04
Arwenbecause you just mentioned efi boot...02:05
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joyyoh man I was freaking out02:06
joyyI was gonna install ubuntu 6.1002:06
joyyanother question02:06
joyykubuntu is giving me a hard time to install LVM02:06
Arwennah. as a side effect, it makes it easier to answer the noob question "omg, liek how do I mount partitions"02:06
joyywussup with that?02:06
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Arwenjoyy, eh, don't know. I don't use LVM.02:07
joyyI set one logical volume and it takes FOREVER to set it02:07
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joyyin Gentoo I finish the whole thing in a split of a second02:07
joyyis there a PURE command line install for Ubuntu?02:07
joyythat text based is stupid02:07
Shockjoyy same happened to me too02:07
joyythen I doesn't understand that I WANT FUCKING ROOT in lvm02:08
Shockmine is in lvm02:08
PriceChild!ohmy | joyy02:08
ubotujoyy: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.02:08
joyyShock, why, how did you do that?02:08
joyywhen I set in root and I try to advance tells me STOP NO ROOT partition02:08
joyyPriceChild, sorry, this is really frustrating02:09
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Shocktry to build the ubuntu kernel, that's frustrating02:09
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joyyShock, what do you mean02:11
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joyysince you alreayd are there, could you let me know the steps?02:11
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erichjseeing your girlfriend for the first time in a month and not having protection, that02:11
Shockthe kernel sources that you get with apt are messed up02:11
erichjis frustrating02:11
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rrsanyone knows kopete and webcams?02:12
Shockthe debian build system is incomplete02:12
joyyShock, I am saying from  a virgin install02:12
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joyy*mint install02:12
Shockyou have to get the sources with git02:13
ToddEDM2hey, i got a problem with kubuntu freezing u, then working for about 2 seconds, then freezing up again..... anyone know a fix?02:13
rrsnobody using kopete with a webcam?02:13
ToddEDM2not me rrs02:13
rrsthans for answer02:13
Shockkopete? what's that?02:13
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rrskopete is to connect to msn and others02:13
Shockkiddin'; apt-get remove --purge kopete02:14
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rrsTodd you checked if a process uses all cpu?02:14
Shockthat's what i did after the install02:14
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ToddEDM2no rss , how?02:14
joyyok so I'll do plan B, regular install within a tight space, leave an empty space for LVM.02:14
rrswith top02:14
joyyOnce I install Kubuntu I set up LVM then move the directories02:15
rrsyou know top?02:15
joyyor edit fstab02:15
joyywill that work?02:15
ToddEDM2nope, im new, just installed this last night02:15
Shockjoyy: what's the error you get?02:15
joyyI am kinda desperate02:15
rrsahh ok you know how to open a console window?02:15
ToddEDM2yup i got one open02:15
joyydoesn't let me go on after I am set with the partitions 'cause I don't have a / one02:15
rrsok, then write "top" into it02:15
rrsand enter02:15
joyyand I do have root in lvm02:15
Shockjoyy: describe the steps02:16
Shockcan you make a picture of the installer showing the root partition?02:16
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Shock /dev/mapper/vg0-root on / type reiserfs (rw)02:17
rrsand does it show a process   that uses all cpu?02:17
Shockthat's my baby02:17
ToddEDM2ohhh wait02:17
ToddEDM2lol top is using 104%02:17
joyyShock, during the initial install?02:18
joyyor after I've the reglar installation?02:18
Shockjoyy: yes02:18
ToddEDM2ok, hold on02:18
ShockToddEDM2: type ctrl-esc02:18
Shockthat should bring up ksysguard02:18
ToddEDM2using 10002:18
rrsok you can quit top by pressing q02:18
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rrsI guess you have  a decent machine?02:19
rrswhat cpu / comp you have02:19
ToddEDM2its a new acer laptop02:19
rrsk, and it works well with windows i guess02:19
Shockrunninf feisty?02:19
ToddEDM21 gig ram02:19
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ToddEDM2yes feisty02:20
rrs64 bit feisty?02:20
rrsor 32 bit02:20
joyyShock, how did you manage installing LVM?02:20
joyydid you do a clean install?02:20
ToddEDM2windows is off my machine aswell02:20
rrshow long does a boot take02:20
rrsis it specially slow?02:21
ToddEDM2not too long, about normal02:21
rrsso you can log in and work but it stall02:21
ToddEDM2it actually did this when i had ubuntu installed too02:21
ToddEDM2now i have kde02:21
ShockToddEDM2: put a dvd into the drive02:22
ToddEDM2one is in it02:22
rrswhere there other process using a lot of cpu ? (in top)02:22
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Shockjoyy: yes,, clean install using alternate02:22
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rrsit may have to do with some cpu speed adjusting02:22
ToddEDM2i have a theory, it might be when i was screwing with the transparencies of the windows and crap...02:23
rrsok good to know02:23
rrsbut you said you did a clean install to kubuntu02:24
rrsand you had the same problem with ubuntu02:24
joyyhey Beryl work with GeForce 8600?02:24
ShockToddEDM2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/7529502:24
joyyI've got that one02:24
ToddEDM2yes rrs same problem02:24
rrsjoy.... beryl works02:24
ShockToddEDM2: check that thread, it looks like the same behavior02:24
rrsi got it02:24
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juliusif i need to load the module with certain options from bootup how do i do that?02:25
juliuslike the default parameters are incorrect02:25
rolnyzx_is there anyway to have tabs in kde windows like in fluxbox?02:26
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rrsthis thread seems to show some work arounds02:26
ToddEDM2cool.. im reading02:26
rrshey todd is the dvd still in the cd tray?02:26
rrsif yes take it out first02:27
OptimusRexGood morning everyone. Is there anyone who knows how to get 3ddesk to work with the keyboard shortcuts I want to set?02:27
rrshey optimus02:28
rrsi did this be4 i used beryl02:28
ToddEDM2rrsyeah i took it out02:28
rrsso there is nothing in you cdbay02:28
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rrsor you just removed it now?02:29
rrsbecause in the thread they talk about cdrom problem02:29
rrsrmmod ide_cd02:29
rrs rmmod cdrom02:29
OptimusRexrrs. I don't understand02:29
ToddEDM2i just took it out after you asked before02:29
rrsok... is it the same behavour now of kubuntu?02:30
Shockrolnyzx_: not that i know of02:30
rrs(does it still freeze)02:30
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ToddEDM2yeah, worse02:30
OptimusRexHas anyone tried the 3ddesk?02:31
ToddEDM2im restarting (im a windows user ) lol02:31
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ShockToddEDM2: what kernel are you on?02:31
rrsok try what they propose in the thread.... open a console and disable following modules02:31
rrsrmmod ide_cd02:31
rrs rmmod cdrom02:31
ToddEDM2shock, i just downloaded it so whatever is newest02:31
rrsyou must be root for that02:31
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ShockToddEDM2: do "uname -r" in a terminal02:32
ToddEDM2ok im getting this thing booted up again02:32
OptimusRexAnyone there with any experience on 3ddesk?02:33
rrshey todd02:33
rrsI found something02:33
rrsadd noapic nolapic02:33
rrsto the kernel02:33
Shockwhen you boot02:33
rrsI renember now I had once something similar02:33
rrsyes optimus me02:34
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rrsbut I quickly finis help todd02:34
OptimusRexthanks rrs02:34
rrsTodd your there?02:34
rrsor is he rebooting now?02:34
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ToddEDM2ok i got a terminl up02:34
Shockhey guys does kubuntu drop in text mode from splash on boot when checking and mounting filesystems?02:35
rrsyou know what is grub todd?02:35
rrsas you said todd a decent one02:35
ToddEDM2grub.. i have heard of it02:35
rrsok grub is launching your kubuntu02:35
rrsso you must add some kernel parameters to grub02:36
rrsopen a console then become root02:36
rrssudo su -02:36
rrsthen do "vim /boot/brub/menu.lst"02:37
rrsthen do "vim /boot/grub/menu.lst"02:37
rrsthe 2nd line02:37
ToddEDM2ok done02:37
rrsnow you use the arrows and you go down02:38
ToddEDM2its all on one page02:38
rrsand you search the line of your actual kernel02:38
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rrsit starts like.... title .... Ubuntu blabla02:38
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rrsyou found it?02:40
ToddEDM2not really02:40
rrsok you scroll down in the file right?02:41
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rrsgo all down to the bottom02:41
ToddEDM2duh.. yea i found it02:41
rrswith the down arrow02:41
rrsok now look for the line02:42
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rrsor similar02:42
rrsin front it says "kernel"02:43
rrsand then "/boot/vmlinuz....02:44
joyyisn't there an ubuntu LVM guide?02:44
rrsok now you will see you have different entries02:44
joyyhow are users supposed to install it then?02:44
joyyby doing magic?02:44
rrsthis are the entries which you see when you boot linux02:44
joyythis is retarded02:44
ToddEDM2i have 402:45
ToddEDM25 sorry02:45
rrsgo with the cursor to the "kernel" line which represent your current kernel02:45
rrsprobably it is the first02:45
rrsafter "savedefault"02:45
rrsnow I explain you what all is about02:45
rrsI found this in a thread:02:46
rrsi added the noapic acpi=noirq to my boot option and it done the job for me02:46
rrshere's a list of other options that might be useful and a little howto i followed to do this02:46
rrs=> we try now to add thouse boot options to your kernel02:46
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rrsit seems ubuntu have problems in combination with some mainboards02:46
rrsso go with your cursor at the end of the kernel line02:47
rrsit should say something like " ro single"02:47
rrsat the end of the "kernel" line02:47
ToddEDM2ro quiet02:48
ToddEDM2ro quiet splash02:48
rrsro stands for READ ONLY02:48
rrs"quiet" means it does not show you details on start02:48
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rrsand "splash" means it shows you an immage02:49
rrsnow we will add the needed parameters02:49
rrsso are you with your cursor on the "h" of splash?02:49
rrsnow you press the letter "i" for insert02:49
rrsthen you mace a "space"02:50
rrsand you type02:50
rrsnoapic acpi=noirq02:50
rrsafter the space02:50
rrsyour line should then look like:02:51
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rrskernel blablabla.... ro quiet splash  noapic acpi=noirq02:51
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rrsok now you press "esc"02:52
rrsthen you press the following 3 keys:02:52
rrs":" stands for go to vim menu02:52
rrs"wq" stands for "write quit"02:53
rrsthen press enter02:53
rrsand you are back on the console02:53
ToddEDM2yup, as root02:53
rrsnow we check if you did write the right thing02:53
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rrstype following on your console02:54
rrshehe you see... always double check02:54
rrscat /boot/grub/menu.lst |grep kernel02:54
rrswhat does it say02:55
rrsare you there?02:56
MinatakuYou melted his brain02:56
MinatakuAnd why the hell are you telling him to use vi?02:56
ToddEDM2my terminal closed on me02:56
Minatakunano, man02:56
OptimusRexthese things happen. Lol02:56
rrsits easier to conrol02:56
MinatakuToddEDM2: Next time, use "nano -w whateverfileitisyou'reworkingon"02:56
Minatakurrs: The crap it is02:57
joyylvm anyone?02:57
OptimusRexGood night guys. Catch up with u guys tomorrow02:57
rrsok reopen the console02:57
ToddEDM2so yeah rrs, its all in there02:57
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rrsand show me the output of cat02:57
FFForeverhi :D, i run kubuntu 7.10 and when i press mute it says my system is mute but amarok is still playing music02:57
rrsshow me the line please02:57
rrswith noapic02:57
Minatakurrs: I tend to discard the output of cat... it doesn't look good02:57
MinatakuNor does it smell good02:57
MinatakuNo value, either, just nasty stuff in all02:58
rrswait... you probably do not know how to copy paste02:58
rrsnever mind02:58
rrsjust control it02:58
FFForeverdoes mute no longer mean mute?02:58
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rrsif you think it is ok02:58
rrsthen you reboot02:58
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ToddEDM2i will reboot, if its messed up i can always re install02:59
rrsit is not meesed up02:59
rrswe just added 2 parameter02:59
rrsthey will do no harm02:59
FFForeveralso i try changing the volume but it does not change sound level on what is playing...02:59
rrsthey will only turn off 2 settings03:00
rrsof the kernel03:00
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ToddEDM2ok cool03:00
rrscopy this link: http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2007/05/feisty-freeze-part-ii-still-not-making.html03:00
MinatakuFFForever: It's probably ARTS03:00
MinatakuTry changing it through KMix instead03:00
rrsok Todd03:00
rrsI hope it helped you03:01
MinatakuAsshole ReTard Sound03:01
Minataku(Not real expansion)03:01
BluesKajmy grub is totally out to lunch after the so called kernel upgrade ... error 15 again , file still not found after various tries03:01
ToddEDM2yes rrs?03:01
MinatakuIt's this idiot audio middleman crap that KDE uses03:01
ToddEDM2yes thanks alot man03:01
FFForeverthe sound keys on my kb make the kmix thingie come up and it says it is at 30%, but if i make it higher or lower it has no affect in amarok03:01
FFForeveror even youtube....03:01
rrsyou are welcome03:01
MinatakuBluesKaj: Yipe. Time to bust out the LiveCD03:02
rrsI hope it solves your problem, but I am confident03:02
MinatakuFFForever: Then it's not actually changing it03:02
ToddEDM2i really appreciate it, i hope it works, so my linux experience is good , and i dont have to go back to windows all frustrated03:02
MinatakuTry changing it with the mouse03:02
FFForeveri opened the kmix and master is changing03:02
BluesKajMinataku, no warnings at all03:02
FFForeverit goes up and down...03:02
rrsdont give up at the beginning03:02
rrswe all were once frustrated03:02
rrsbut with windows you are always frustrated ;-)03:02
MinatakuFFForever: It's probably not altering the card's mixer controls03:02
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MinatakuUh, lemme think03:02
Minataku!info alsamixer03:03
ubotuPackage alsamixer does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas03:03
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FFForeverif i mute the one with the blue lines it mutes amarok...03:03
rrsis the 3ddesk guy still here?03:03
MinatakuFFForever: Try running alsamixer03:03
MinatakuSee if that exists, it should03:03
MinatakuIf it doesn't, I'm gonna go kick someone in the nuts03:03
FFForeverdo i need 2 report this as a bug in the goblin?03:03
rrsgood... the 3ddesk guy left... :o) ... was a boring problem anyway03:04
Minatakurrs: Haha03:04
MinatakuThat's the way03:04
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ToddEDM2i was hoping to hear it :(03:04
ToddEDM2but i wont push my luck... hehe03:04
rrshigh-fives back03:04
GrahamHey, does anybody know what I need to do to add XGL as a session option?03:04
BluesKajrrs , i have grub prob as well, seems like the link is lost03:04
rrsyes I know Graham03:04
Grahamrrs: Would you please tell me.03:05
rrsyou have kubuntu or ubuntu?03:05
MinatakuI love the location field of the ROM boot disk of the Macintosh Classic: "hiding somewhere inside this machine"03:06
GrahamUmm... Kubuntu03:07
rrsok Graham... here is the link: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/86408/03:07
bankseyAnyone tell me why my comp logs off when I run Cadega :D03:07
Arwenbanksey, Cedega is crashing your X server03:08
Grahamrrs: Thanks mate.03:08
Arwengo read your logs03:08
rrsthere it is all described03:08
rrsyour welcome03:08
bankseyKk ty03:08
rrswhere is the lvm guy03:08
rrsstill here?03:08
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ToddEDM2rrs, your on fire tonight!!!!03:09
Grahamrrs: I wouldn't say that too loudly in here :)03:09
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ToddEDM2<--- newbs are lurking in here03:09
rrsyou know guys... I am bored since I use Kubuntu... everything works03:09
BluesKajpk rrs , i did ask you a question a while back03:10
GrahamNeway, Ima go test it. brb03:10
rrsmaybe I switch back to Windows03:10
GrahamWait not yet03:10
rrswhat was the the question03:10
BluesKajrrs , error 15 , file not found - GRUB03:10
rrsthis is an old one03:11
BluesKajthing is it happened after a kernel upgrade03:11
rrslet me think03:11
rrsgo to a console03:12
BluesKajwith no warnings about overwriting03:12
rrsand become root03:12
rrsor does it not start at all?03:12
rrsprobably you can not start your linux right?03:12
BluesKajit's ther it just erro15s03:12
rrsok... so I understand you did a kernel update then after this03:13
rrsboot stops at err 15 message?03:13
BluesKajI start it with a direct linux boot with supergrub disk03:13
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BluesKajyes boot stops at error 1503:13
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BluesKaji'm in kubuntu03:14
MinatakuBluesKaj: It probably left something out, just update /boot/grub/menu.lst manually03:14
rrstry this03:14
MinatakuWhat is Error 15 exactly?03:14
rrsyou use a ubuntu live cd03:14
BluesKajyeah Minataku , butwhat ?03:14
rrs15 = file not found03:14
MinatakuBluesKaj: The kernel images are all in /boot03:14
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rrsit means that there is probably a misstipping in grub03:15
MinatakuBluesKaj: Tell me the files in /boot03:15
MinatakuBut yeah, it sounds like something didn't complete or someone made a nasty gaffe03:15
BluesKajno I'm in my installed partition, but i need the supergrub disk to boot directly into it...I prefer to restore grub to an operative statr ..if you know what i mean03:15
secleinteerhi, i'm getting scratchy audio in vlc, but not in amarok/kaffeine or any of the kde apps. does anyone know how to fix this?03:16
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MinatakuBluesKaj: That's what I'm trying to help you do03:16
MinatakuNow tell me the files in /boot03:16
rrswell BluesKaj... do what Minataku propose you03:16
MinatakuPastebin it03:16
rrshe can only help you if you do what he says.....03:16
MinatakuThen pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst03:16
MinatakuI'll try and fix it for you03:16
eriefisherBluesKaj:grub is not broke,it cant find the kernel03:18
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Minatakueriefisher: Got it under control03:18
eriefishercan you select another kernel from the list03:18
MinatakuNow I need the list of files in /boot03:20
BluesKajwhere do i go for that03:20
Minatakuls /boot03:20
MinatakuPlease, retain your basic thought processes03:21
BluesKaj<--- a bit frustrated and pi**ed off03:22
BluesKajeriefisher, to me it's broken if it doesn't do what it's supposed to do03:23
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MinatakuBluesKaj: Yeah, and the fact that this file should work only pisses us both off03:23
MinatakuThere's nothing I can see wrong with this file03:24
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Minataku!es | smiwool03:25
ubotusmiwool: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.03:25
MinatakuBluesKaj: Yeah, this file is fine, there's no reason it should be failing.03:25
Minatakusmiwool: De nada03:25
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MinatakuBluesKaj: The Error 1503:26
MinatakuIs it before the menu comes up?03:26
FFForeverback sorry laptop died03:26
MinatakuOr when you try to boot an entry?03:26
FFForeverso how do i make  master control them all....03:26
FFForevermaster is not affecting the wave....03:26
MinatakuI gotta say, I "love" how Kubuntu doesn't save the old kernel as a backup03:26
FFForeverit does...03:26
MinatakuThat's incredibly "smart" and a "good idea"03:26
normalhi, i'm a novice, how do i install xmms, and play dvd in my system?03:26
FFForeveri have 3 kernels....03:27
MinatakuIt doesn't seem to for BluesKaj03:27
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MinatakuUnless he deleted the old one03:27
BluesKajok Minataku BTW i did try the grub reinstall with the live cd but the the so called "not partitioning " and just installing grub instead of the whole OS didn't work for me either ...either i misread the instructions or my mind is kinda thick today03:27
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MinatakuBluesKaj: Heh03:27
FFForevercan i install grub 4m windows?03:27
MinatakuI think we both need some time away, this is confusing me03:27
rrsHey Blues03:28
BluesKajno the rror come when choosing the kernel in the grub menu03:28
MinatakuThere's no reason this file should fail to boot the kernel03:28
BluesKajcomes up03:28
MinatakuNone at all03:28
BluesKajhi rrs03:28
rrsis your /etc/fstab pointing to the right place?03:28
rrsof root?03:28
MinatakuThat's all I can think, the mapping is bad03:28
MinatakuIt changed somehow03:28
FFForeveranyways how do i fix my sound problem?03:29
MinatakuBut I don't know03:29
MinatakuFFForever: I have no clue, sorry03:29
FFForeverso i do report this as a bug?03:29
FFForeverin the new 7.10?03:29
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BluesKaji can't read fstab worth sh*t so i'll let you guys look at it if you don't mind03:29
MinatakuFFForever: Just hang around and ask again in, like, 30 or 60 minutes03:29
Minatakufstab probably won't help03:30
rrsok show it03:30
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MinatakuGRUB doesn't care about it03:30
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MinatakuGRUB has it's internal mapping system03:30
rrsI know03:30
FFForeveralso when i start xchat (after upgrading my system from 7.04 to 7.10) i get this..., Couldn't connect to session bus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session03:30
MinatakuRemember, it's previous to Linux booting03:30
rrsbut let me check something03:30
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Minatakuhttp://www.pastebin.ca/569164 http://www.pastebin.ca/569178 << rrs03:31
MinatakuHis menu.lst and files in /boot03:31
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MinatakuI'll hand this off to you03:31
BluesKajhere's my fstab file : http://www.pastebin.ca/56919403:31
MinatakuI'm stumped03:31
ArwenFFForever, well, whatcha using 7.10 for? it's not working yet.03:31
MinatakuAnd you seem to have an idea all the same03:31
MinatakuYeah, when they say "unstable" around here, it's literal03:32
FFForeverit boots does it not :D03:32
FFForeverif it boots then it is working XD03:32
FFForevereverything else is just extra XD03:32
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MinatakuBecause they can't get their sh*t together until it's been some 6 months or so03:32
MinatakuIt's the price of simplicity03:32
FFForever+ if ppl like me don't run/test the new stuff how do they know what is broken03:32
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PollywogFFForever: you do use a "spare" machine for the unstable stuff, right?03:33
Zabulusalright, this may not be the right spot since im on my windows partition, but i need some help with dvd burner issues03:33
FFForeverno :)03:33
rrserm... are you sure this is the fstab of your UBUNTU???03:33
FFForeveri only have 2 systems :)03:33
MinatakuHeh, I use Gentoo with keyword ~x8603:33
FFForevermy server and my laptop03:33
Pollywogif you only have one machine, don't do it unless you have a separate partition, otherwise you have to like living dangerously03:33
Minatakurrs: It looks kinda like a Kubuntu fstab03:34
FFForeveri live dangerous all the time03:34
MinatakuIf a little goofy03:34
MinatakuBut then I have a nice, clean fstab03:34
rrsyes but look at the hda1 entry03:34
MinatakuThat was the goofy part03:34
MinatakuIt's even goofier looking than I thought O.O03:34
MinatakuBluesKaj: What the hell did you do?03:35
FFForeverhda1 is vista, hda2 is xp, hda3 is 2k, hda4 is 98, and hda4 is 3.11, lastly hda5 is kubuntu03:35
rrsit is messed up03:35
MinatakuIt looks like a damn bomb went off inside your fstab03:35
rrsI see no root entry03:35
FFForeverhda5 is 3.11, 6 is kubutu*03:35
ArwenFFForever, lol, that's a lot of Windows...03:35
Zabulusand why the hell do you still have 3.11?03:35
MinatakuHuh, you're right03:35
rrsgrub is starting correctly... minataku you checked that03:35
ArwenZabulus, nostalgia? :-)03:36
rrsafter thet fstab is loaded03:36
justaskingi was kind of hoping that it would select the proper hard drive and it would setup the hard drive automaticly but I am having to setup the hard drive manually, anyone know out of 97.65 how much should be root how much should be ext3 and how much swap?03:36
rrsand boooom03:36
Minatakurrs: How the fu*k is that even a running Linux system !?03:36
FFForeverhdh has like 7 different linux distros03:36
rrsit is not03:36
rrshe boots with subergrub03:36
MinatakuYeah, that's totally goofed up03:36
Zabulusthe only reason i would have nostalgia for 3.11 was because we had doom 2 on ours03:36
MinatakuBluesKaj: Somebody set up you the bomb03:36
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FFForeveron hdb i have ubuntu 6.04, suse, gentoo, mepis, dream linux, and a few others :D03:37
rrsare you there BluesKaj?03:37
rrswe found your problem03:37
FFForeverdo i have enough?03:37
Minatakujustasking: Make swap as much as it takes to fill out RAM to 4GB03:37
MinatakuUnless it's greater than 2GB03:37
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Minatakujustasking: How much RAM do you have?03:37
MinatakuPhysical, that is03:37
Minatakurrs: Heh03:38
MinatakuGood thought asking for the fstab03:38
MinatakuSomeone blenderized that thing03:38
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rrsyou controlled what I have thought first too03:38
justaskingminataku: what do you mean? i have 1gig of ram installed.. so are you saying i should have a swap of 1gig or 4?03:38
rrsthen I thougth it must be later in booting03:38
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Minatakujustasking: Make it 2GB03:38
Zabulusalright, lets see who can help, running windows part right now, but w/e, i have 2 dvd burners in my computer, seperate ide cables, both set as master03:38
MinatakuThat's what I have03:38
Zabulusbut one of them doesnt like for me to access it, any ideas?03:39
rrs*wants a beer too"03:39
justaskingminataku: and I only need 1 swap?03:39
Minataku1GB physical, 2GB swap for a total of 3GB virtual03:39
Minatakujustasking: 2GB swap03:39
rrsHey Blues... do not tell us you left...03:39
ToddEDM2rrs i will drink one for you03:39
MinatakuTraditional rule of thumb is 2x physical03:39
rrsoh... that is so fucking kind03:39
BluesKaji have 1G swap and it never seems to get any action :)03:40
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MinatakuBluesKaj: Somebody set up you the bomb03:40
rrswe found your probelm03:40
Zabulus2 x physical? damn, i just added 3 gigs of ram -_-03:40
rrsare you interessted in the solution?03:40
MinatakuYour /etc/fstab is bombed03:40
MinatakuZabulus: Up to 4GB total virtual03:40
Minataku4GB physical RAM, 0 swap03:40
Zabuluswhatever, i had it set to 1 gig i think03:40
BluesKajuhoh ...so now what ..rrs ?03:40
rrsi guess his keyboard is stuck too03:40
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ToddEDM2hey rrs, when i get back from getting some booze, will you help me with my nvidia drivers?03:41
rrswe must rebuild it03:41
MinatakuBluesKaj: Fix your fstab manually03:41
rrsI will03:41
ToddEDM2thanks man03:41
MinatakuCool, thanks, rrs03:41
MinatakuI'll sit here and groove to some Funk remixes03:41
MinatakuIf I'm not out of them already03:41
rrsok blues... we need to    know what is your root fs03:41
MinatakuI think I've got one or two left03:41
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MinatakuFor great justice, take off every /dev/zig03:42
rrsok blues03:42
rrsare you with me?03:42
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Minatakurrs: Don't be too impatient03:43
MinatakuHe's probably been drinking03:43
rrsyea you a right.. it takes a long time to say.... yes... i am with you lol03:43
MinatakuAfter all this, who would blame him, right? X303:43
BluesKajnope, just looking for root in the fstab file03:43
MinatakuDon't bother03:43
Zabulusso where should i go for help with dvd burners?03:43
VHockey86can anyone fathom what could possibly cause a ps/2 keyboard to not work in kunbutu 7.04? I just did a fresh install from 6.06 to 7.04 and my keyboard goes dead halfway through booting03:43
MinatakuYour fstab is toast03:43
rrsthere is no root03:43
rrsthis your probelm03:44
MinatakuDelete it03:44
MinatakuStart a new one03:44
rrswe make a new one03:44
MinatakuWell... yeah, delete it, backing it up really won't help here03:44
BluesKajselectall &delete ?03:44
rrscan you do it on your own?03:44
rrsit is toas03:44
BluesKajok blank03:45
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MinatakuLike I said, someone set up your fstab the bomb03:45
rrsnow we need to know where you installed your /03:45
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MinatakuFor great justice, take off evert /dev/zig03:45
rrsdo you have feisty?03:45
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about stepmania - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:45
rrs(because feisty has only sdx )03:45
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BluesKajhda2 ext303:46
Bearcathey folks. I'm trying to get a scanner working When i use the 7.04 desktop cd kooka discovers my scanner. When i try to use this installed 7.04 distro it does not. I've tried deleting the kookarc file and letting it autogen. What else can i try?03:46
rrsbut I guess you have 6.xx03:46
rrsnow put following lines03:46
rrs# <file system>                 <mount point>   <type>          <options>       <dump>  <pass>03:46
rrsproc                            /proc           proc            defaults        0       003:46
rrsi make it on pastbin03:46
BluesKajxsane image scanner , Bearcat03:47
BluesKajrrs, we can pm03:47
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BearcatBluesKaj: Thanks. I'd like to get kooka working, but i think i remember that sane is a dependancy of kooka03:48
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rrsyou pasted it Blues?03:49
rrsafter that we must check something03:49
BluesKajyup, just the 3 lines ?03:49
rrsyes it is ok to boot03:49
rrsbut now we must adjust your menu.lst03:50
rrsit must point also to /dev/hda203:50
rrsyou know how to do?03:50
rrsor I asist?03:50
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ubotuwine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.03:51
BluesKajrrs : kernel/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro ?03:51
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rrsBlues... do yo not have your Kernel Images in boot?03:52
rrsdo you have a separate fs for boot?03:52
rrsif not it should read03:53
rrskernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro03:53
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Zabulusneed help with dvd burner issues, anyone wanna try and help?03:53
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rrsok when the kernel is in / or you have a sep partition for boot then you can put as you said03:53
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rrsif not put /boot/ in front03:53
BluesKajwhere does the: kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro ..is this line commented ?03:54
rrscan you binpaste me you menu.lst?03:54
rrsif not it is difficult to follow you03:55
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Minataku"This is a hand, not a butt."03:55
BluesKajrrs http://www.pastebin.ca/56916403:56
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rrsok you must adjust line 12803:56
rrsand make it read:03:56
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dandy_hello to all03:56
rrskernel    /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-generic root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet vga=79403:56
rrsthen reboot03:57
MinatakuDon't forget the initrd03:57
BluesKajok rrs, thx03:58
MinatakuHe'll be screwed without that03:58
MinatakuSTOP BLUESKAJ03:58
DaSkreechHow do You generate a UUID ?03:58
MinatakuYou're missing the initrd03:58
dandy_has anyone tried installing a linksys wireless usb to a desktop or laptop using kde?03:58
rrscan you show me the corrected file?03:58
rrsb4 reboot?03:58
MinatakuOh, you just fixed the old one?03:58
MinatakuMy bad, sorry03:58
MinatakuCan't fault me for looking out for ya >.>03:59
MinatakuI was too busy laughing at the hand-butt03:59
BluesKajok, lucky i'm slow03:59
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MinatakuEither way, comedy gold.03:59
MinatakuLike taking a sh*t in a urinal.03:59
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BluesKajok rrs gonna paste the corrected file04:00
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BluesKajrrs http://www.pastebin.ca/56923404:01
MinatakuI used to wad up paper towels and toss them in, then flush it until it overflowed a bunch04:01
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ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.04:01
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BluesKajok , gotta shut off the sprinklers ..BRB04:01
MinatakuThen I'd go down to the office and tell them the urinals were overflowing04:01
ToddEDM2where all you guys from ?04:01
ToddEDM2haha Minataku04:01
MinatakuThey never caught on because I did it maybe 3 times over 9 years04:02
rrsok this will now work ...04:02
rrshave a nice boot04:02
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PriceChild!offtopic | Minataku ToddEDM204:02
ubotuMinataku ToddEDM2: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!04:02
MinatakuSomeplace, USA04:02
MinatakuPriceChild: The only person needing help is done being assisted04:02
MinatakuNobody else is asking04:02
MinatakuLay off04:02
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ToddEDM2actually i need help04:03
MinatakuIt can't be seriousness 24/7, especially when there's no need for it04:03
ubotuopera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser04:03
MinatakuToddEDM2: What's up?04:03
ToddEDM2well i think i need to get my video drivers installed, so i can try that 3d desktop04:04
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ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto04:04
BluesKajhi ToddEDM2 from beaumont ab ...im in espanola on04:04
MinatakuSame link04:04
ManiDhillonI'm still unable to install opera via its repo!04:04
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BluesKajok gents , here goes ...wish me luck :)04:05
rrsMani.. why opera when you can use firefox?04:05
MinatakuFirefox is F/OSS04:05
MinatakuOpera is proprietary crap.04:05
rrsyou use linux... you do not need any luck  Blues....04:05
erichjnow you don't04:05
erichja few years ago04:05
Arwenjust because something's proprietary doesn't make it crap04:05
DaSkreechrrs: just knowledge04:06
Zabulusalright, need some help, have 2 dvd burners, but only 1 of them lets me access it to burn files.04:06
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DaSkreechArwen: doesn't stop it from being crap either :)04:06
Arwenvery true04:06
rrslol @ Dascreech04:06
erichjyeah, look at mac os04:06
rrs10 POINTS04:06
Arwenerichj, uh..04:07
erichjmac fan?04:07
MinatakuMac OS X is the ultimate mistake04:07
Arwenno, I just don't think Mac OS is crap04:07
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MinatakuA bastard child of "stolen" BSD code and proprietary ugliness04:08
Zabulusanyone have problems puttind 2 dvd burners in a system before?04:08
DaSkreechMinataku: Eh?04:08
MinatakuThe only thing worse is Windows Vista04:08
erichjthat's ok...no one is perfect04:08
ArwenMinataku, you can't "steal" BSD code. And being proprietary doesn't make something crap.04:08
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DaSkreechMinataku: What are you talking about?04:08
Arwenplease don't troll, even in a zealot-oriented channel like this04:08
MinatakuArwen: That's why it was in quotes, and OSX has a lot more going for it to make it crap04:08
BluesKajthx rrs , Minataku04:08
MinatakuBluesKaj: Yay!04:08
DaSkreechThey are just selling a distro04:08
MinatakuNo problem, BluesKaj04:09
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!04:09
PriceChildtake it elsewhere please.04:09
MinatakuI shoulda saved that /etc/fstab04:09
eriefisherZabulus: I run 2 dvd's whats up04:09
DaSkreechHow do I generate UUID?04:09
MinatakuThat thing was _messed_ _up_.04:09
DaSkreechand how does that work anyway?04:09
PriceChild!uuid | DaSkreech04:09
ubotuDaSkreech: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)04:09
Zabulusonly one of my burners lets me access it for burning04:09
DaSkreechDoes the partition always have the SAME UUID?04:09
MinatakuDaSkreech: I think there's a command for it, try "man -k uuid"04:09
rrsPriceChild.... could you plase help solve some problems instead to be booring?04:09
BluesKajPriceChild, are you the offtopic cop tonite ?04:09
dorkfaceIs anybody with a kubuntu version of hyperterminal that has a scrollbar?  I've tried gtkterminal, konsole, that either don't have one, or is disabled once the program has entered a switch.04:10
MinatakuDaSkreech: It has one assigned to it, yes04:10
ArwenDaSkreech, yes04:10
PriceChildrrs, notice my solution to the uuid problem.04:10
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Arwenunless you change it04:10
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dorkfaceminicom seems to be the answer, but it will not bring up any output from the switch when it is connected04:10
eriefisherZabulus: dvd or cds or both04:11
DaSkreechPriceChild: since we are ina helpful mood tonight how do I make my Linux drive portable?04:11
MinatakuI've never managed to get minicom to work, but then I've never had anything to use it properly with04:11
Zabulusboth, sorry, in windows right now, when i dont have a disc in, it wont let me put anything on the drive for burning04:11
PriceChildDaSkreech, maybe if you explained "portable"04:11
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Zabulusor when i do have a disc in it still doesnt let me04:11
TheCreationistIf I setup Krfb with my account, will I be able to access my PC when others are logged in?  Or do I need to set it up for all their accounts as well?04:12
DaSkreechPriceChild: popping it out carrying it to a friends house popping it in one of her spare machines and having it boot without being a baby04:12
ArwenDaSkreech, uh..........................04:12
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MinatakuDaSkreech: Very difficult04:12
rrsany other help needed?04:12
DaSkreechright now I think it kernel panics04:12
BluesKajok rrs , this is blasphemy but now i'd like to add windows boot to the grub menu....04:12
MinatakuI don't think it will work04:12
PriceChildDaSkreech, use a live cd04:13
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rrsit is easy04:13
DaSkreechMinataku: it uesed to work great04:13
rrsadd follwoing04:13
ArwenDaSkreech, you need a custom bootloader. a Live CD would be smarter.04:13
MinatakuAgreed, LiveCD a much better solution04:13
MinatakuLiveCD + USB Key04:13
DaSkreechSo i know it's something. Driver cache or something that I need to turn off04:13
Zabulusdid i lose you eriefisher?04:14
MinatakuWow, PriceChild on the warpath tonight04:14
rrsadd this to your grub04:14
eriefisherZabulus: are you using k3b or ?? or just sending to04:14
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rrsBlues... btw... you must fix your other grub entries too04:14
Bearcatwhat seems to be happening is that kooka is not showing anyting on the "scan parameters" tool. It is a blank box.04:14
DaSkreech!language | rrs. I guess pastebin's count as well :)04:15
uboturrs. I guess pastebin's count as well :): Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.04:15
ArwenDaSkreech, it's a grub problem04:15
rrserm wait04:15
Zabulusdoesnt matter what program i use, even going to "my computer" and trying to open the burner folder there it doesnt work04:15
DaSkreechArwen: well then explain it to me04:15
BluesKajok rrs, thx got it04:15
rrsI forogt to say you must adjust the drives...04:15
Arwenbecause when you move a hard drive, its drive number changes04:15
Minataku!windows | Zabulus04:15
ubotuZabulus: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents04:15
rrswhere do you have your windows?04:15
DaSkreechArwen: Switching to lilo would fix it?04:15
rrswhat disk, what partition?04:15
Arwenyou need iso/syslinux04:15
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ManiDhillonArwen i wnt to install Opera Browser via konsole.04:15
Zabulusthe problem is its not just an issue with windows04:15
MinatakuDaSkreech: This is why LiveCDs exist04:15
rrshd0,0 = disk 1 partition104:16
TheCreationistIf I setup Krfb with my account, will I be able to access my PC when others are logged in?  Or do I need to set it up for all their accounts as well?04:16
BluesKajrrs  hd0,0 yes04:16
ArwenManiDhillon, and what's that have to do with me?04:16
DaSkreechMinataku: not unless I can copy a bunch of my data to it04:16
MinatakuZabulus: If it fails to work in either OS, suspect bad hardware04:16
MinatakuBad cable or bad drive04:16
MinatakuTry it in a different PC04:16
rrsand you have still messed up your other linux entires04:16
rrsdo not forget to fix this04:16
DaSkreechArwen: what is grub doing to make it impossible to boot?04:16
MinatakuDaSkreech: That's what USB Sticks are for04:16
Arwenit's just not designed for portable scenarios....04:16
Zabulusits not the hardware, i used it before and it worked fine, then i changed out my ide cables04:17
Arwennow go burn a live cd and bugger off, geesh04:17
Zabulusbtw, i have them both set to master on seperate ides04:17
ManiDhillonArwen i think you know how to!04:17
MinatakuZabulus: Suspect bad new cable or bad connections04:17
ArwenManiDhillon, uh...04:17
Arwen!opera | ManiDhillon04:17
ubotuManiDhillon: opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser04:17
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MinatakuDaSkreech: I think the fact that it used to work was pure luck04:17
eriefisherZaulus: return the cables to eliminate04:17
ManiDhillonArwen this page was unable to help me, i've checked it week before!04:18
Zabulusshould i try using one cable and setting the drives as primary/slave?04:18
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MinatakuYeah, I'm thinking the cables are bad or you connected them wrong04:18
ArwenManiDhillon, well, I don't know then. I don't use Opera.04:18
MinatakuZabulus: It's actually SOP to have the HDD Master Channel 0 and CD/DVD Master Channel 104:19
MinatakuThere's nothing wrong with doing that04:19
MinatakuSOP == Standard Operating Procedure04:19
Zabulushdd is sata, 2 dvd burners on seperate ide both as masters04:19
rrswhat is his problem Minataku?04:19
MinatakuZabulus: Sounds right to me04:20
MinatakuYou said you changed out the cables04:20
MinatakuSuspect bad cables or misconnection04:20
Zabulusill check on that, thanks04:20
rrsand what are the sympthomes?04:20
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Zabulusbtw, has anyone ever had any issue where the dvd burner slows down when using both on one ide?04:20
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rrsyes tabulus04:21
MinatakuZabulus: That's why you put them on separate channels04:21
rrsthis is normal04:21
Zabulusok, how about that it shows them both in the same location  (location 0 (0))?04:22
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BluesKajwell , windows mbr is missing04:23
rrsdid windows work before?04:23
Daisuke_IdoBluesKaj: windows cd, boot to recovery, fixboot, fixmbr04:23
MinatakuI'll hand Zabulus' issue off to you, rrs04:23
Daisuke_Idobut blah04:23
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MinatakuDaisuke_Ido: NO, NO, FFS NO04:23
BluesKajrrs , no it04:24
Zabulusits been having issues since i moved them to seperate cables04:24
MinatakuYou'll nuke GRUB04:24
Daisuke_IdoMinataku: okay...  always worked in the past...04:24
MinatakuZabulus: Check that you remembered to change the jumpers04:24
rrsbut it is a working windows installation right?04:24
Daisuke_Idoof course you'll nuke grub.04:24
MinatakuPriceChild: Sorry if I pissed ya off there04:24
Zabulusyes, windows is working fine, using that right now, dont wanna take the time to go to my kubuntu, sorry04:25
MinatakuDaisuke_Ido: Considering we just friggin' FIXED it04:25
BluesKajyes rrs, used it yesterday to scan some docs04:25
MinatakuWe'd rather not break it again04:25
TheCreationistIf I setup Krfb with my account, will I be able to access my PC when others are logged in?  Or do I need to set it up for all their accounts as well?04:25
Daisuke_Idopoint taken04:25
BluesKajno rush to fix windows tho04:25
rrsok then proceed as saisuke_ldo said04:25
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rrsbut then after you must reinstall grub04:26
Daisuke_Idoboot to the live cd, chroot into your kubuntu install and install grub?  would that work?04:26
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Daisuke_Idoi'm still learning :)04:26
rrsyou must bind the /proc first04:27
rrsif not your chroot wont work04:27
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BluesKajDaisuke_Ido, we just reinstalled grub to make it boot kubuntu04:27
Daisuke_Idoyou may ask yourself, how do i work this?04:27
Daisuke_Idothen nevermind.04:27
Daisuke_Idodon't touch anything.04:27
rrsok blues04:27
rrsif you want to have windows and linux u need to major steps04:28
rrs1. resintall windows mbr04:28
rrs2. reinstall grub04:28
rrsthen both will work04:28
rrsdo you know how to do step 1?04:28
Daisuke_Idoyou may ask yourself, what is that beautiful house?  you may ask yourself, where does that highway GO to?  and i'm going to be quiet now :D04:28
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BluesKajI tried reinstalling grub with the live cd and wasn't successful04:29
Daisuke_IdoBluesKaj: that part's a little more complex04:29
rrsyes of course you were not04:29
rrsyou need to bind /proc04:29
rrsthen chroot04:29
rrsthen grub-install04:29
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heeqhey men04:30
rrsmount -o bind /dev/hda2 /mnt/xxx04:30
rrschroot /mnt/xxx04:30
rrsgrub-install /dev/hda04:30
heeqi'm trying to install "superkaramba" (0,39) but i'm getting some problems..04:30
rrsyou make a directory04:30
rrsand you can call it xxx04:30
rrsor yyy04:30
rrsor zzz04:30
rrsor hda04:31
BluesKajhang on04:31
heeqwhen I do ./configure, appears "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"04:31
heeqcan someone please help me? :P04:31
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rrsyou need first to reinstall windows boot manager04:31
BluesKajheeq, sudo apt-get install build-essential04:32
MECUhelp please: I put the kubuntu CD in and try to install and it brings up the logo and a progress bar and never moves04:32
MECU(same thing with the ubuntu install CD)04:32
rrswhat mainboard mecu?04:32
MECUdon't know/remember04:33
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BluesKajgetting late here rrs, I'll tackle windows probs tomorrow , no big hurry04:33
normalhow do you add programs online?04:33
MECUrrs: if I had to guess, I think it's a shuttle something04:33
rrstry to boot with noapic04:33
MECUrrs: how do I do that?04:33
DaSkreechheeq: For which program?04:34
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BluesKajbut rrs, I certainly appreciate you efforts and good help :)04:34
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rrssame here04:34
rrsi go sleep04:34
rrs3:40 am04:34
rrsdo google for noapic04:35
MECUok, thanks04:35
rrsi pet 50$ that you have a noapic problem04:35
rrscya guys04:35
BluesKajcya rrs04:35
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BluesKajnot leaving , 10:40 PM here , but i think I'll just relax for a while04:36
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Zabulusalright, ignoring the dvd burner issue for a while, i have 4 gigs of ram, when i boot up i see it in the bootup sequence showing 4 gigs, but when i get into kubuntu, it shows total physical memory at 2.95 gigs04:38
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heeqBluesKaj: tks man04:41
Bearcatis there a command i can use to determine what package can provide a file for me?04:41
BluesKajnp heeq04:41
heeqBluesKaj: but now "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!"04:41
heeqsomething about nvidia driver (not installed) ? ;/04:42
DaSkreechheeq: which program?04:42
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heeqDaSkreech: superkaramba-0.3904:42
Zabulusalright, so, can someone at least tell me a good program for copying games to back them up?04:43
DaSkreech!info superkaramba04:43
ubotusuperkaramba: a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 533 kB, installed size 1428 kB04:43
BluesKajk9copy, Zabulus04:44
MECUnoapic/nolapic seem to be working04:44
DaSkreechheeq: the repos have version 4 it seems :)04:44
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NickPrestaDaSkreech, it's actually version
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NickPrestaDaSkreech, 3.5.6-0ubuntu2 if you want to get picky.04:47
DaSkreechOh I thought that was KDE Version04:47
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DaSkreechLooked like Version 4:(KDE)3.5.6 o me04:47
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DaSkreech!info superkaramba gutsy04:48
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heeq0.39 is the last, really04:48
ubotusuperkaramba: a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 534 kB, installed size 1432 kB04:48
heeqon official page04:48
HumanBladehi all. have a Dapper Drake Live CD install issue. anyone willing to input?04:48
DaSkreechNickPresta: see? version 3.5.7 which  coincidentally is the version of KDE shipping in gutsy04:49
DaSkreechHumanBlade: no clue until we know what it is04:49
BluesKajheeq, have you installed nvidia drivers separately or are you using pnp version ?04:49
MECUwho hoo! I'm installing04:50
NickPrestaDaSkreech, my repo only has 3.5.6 for some reason. >_>04:50
heeqi don't know what is "pnp", but i haven't installed nvidia drivers04:50
HumanBladethanks. After trying to use the easy install (Ubiquity?) i go through all the steps, but when it comes to the partition part (you knew it would be...) i select to manually edit04:50
HumanBladeworks in bg and then blank panel04:50
HumanBladeno visible options04:50
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heeqdo I should?04:51
HumanBladehad setup ext2 and swap with partitionmagic in WinXP prior...04:51
DaSkreechNickPresta: Or read the topic :)04:52
ubotuKDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.04:52
BluesKajNickPresta, same here ...maybe that's the latest stable version in the repos04:52
NickPrestaDaSkreech, I have KDE
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NickPrestaDaSkreech, I run a small sources.list. I don't have many other repos...04:53
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HumanBlademy question... is there a CLI script to install?04:53
NickPrestaHumanBlade, to install what?04:53
HumanBladeKubuntu :)04:53
HumanBladehaving trouble with graphical install04:54
DaSkreechHumanBlade: try the alternate cd04:54
HumanBladeon dialup :(04:54
BluesKajhe s trying dapper04:54
DaSkreechHumanBlade: Make a friend who has broadband04:55
DaSkreechor put high speed internete as a requirement on your next job application :)04:55
HumanBladehaha, could of course do that. wanted to try and solve with resources i had tonite maybe. :)04:55
BluesKajwhat's the trouble HumanBlade?04:56
DaSkreechHumanBlade: You have the live CD?04:56
HumanBladeeverything seems to work fine, just after it gets part. info, no options are available. getting blank gray panel04:56
HumanBladeDaSkreech: yes Dapper Drake04:56
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DaSkreechHumanBlade: how much RAM do you have ?04:56
HumanBlademaybe because ext2 + swap are already setup?04:57
HumanBladeDaSkreech: 256MB04:57
DaSkreechShoudl be well enough04:57
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DaSkreechand you have a swap partition?04:57
HumanBladesetup with PartitionMagic04:57
BluesKajhave you tried to partition yout drive into windows and linux - ext partitions ?04:57
HumanBladeTried to save some time prior to live cd install... reason why i used PartMag04:58
BluesKajdamn partition magic ...it hates linux04:58
HumanBlademay just free spce it?04:58
DaSkreechIn anycase the only thing the Live Cd should touch is swap04:58
DaSkreechNo reason why it should be dying04:59
DaSkreech HumanBlade can you get to a terminal?04:59
HumanBladeit doesn't technically 'die'04:59
HumanBladeand it doesn't auto-recognise any swap and use04:59
HumanBladecould probablly mount it or something04:59
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HumanBladewas really wondering if there was just some script i could use. set mount point and tell it to start copying etc.05:00
HumanBladenot proficient enough to step through python scripts05:00
HumanBladei remember i had trouble like this 2 yrs. ago with Knoppix, and was able to use underlying script05:01
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Zabulushas anyone else had problems with the mouse randomly freezing up?05:02
ToddEDM2beer and facebook, what a night05:02
HumanBladebeer and Kubuntu install issues... :(05:03
daquin1how do i make my laptop hibernate on closing the lid ?05:03
ToddEDM2im having issues too but facebook is so damn addicive05:04
BluesKajHumanBlade, i realize the limitations of dialup, having experinced it myself for several yrs , but if you could DL and burn to disk GParted partition editor it can really help you setup the linux partitons much more effectively than that dangerous weapon called partition magic05:04
HumanBladeyeah like wikipedia that way... cross-links to hell :)05:04
HumanBladei think GParted is on Dapper, No?05:05
HumanBladewouldn't really know05:05
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BluesKajeven qtparted is better, I think it's on dapper05:06
HumanBladejust figuring, since it's in so many Lives05:06
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HumanBladewell i'm on the machine i wish to install now, so no quick check for me atm05:07
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BluesKajanyway gents , it's late for old guys like me ...sacktime05:07
Theresaalright folks, i'm a lot closer05:07
BluesKajgood luck HumanBlade05:07
HumanBladeBluesKaj: Thanks for the input.05:07
DaSkreechHumanBlade: in any case I don't think that the alternate cd  is THE fix. you should be able to get that to boot05:07
DaSkreech HumanBlade did you run a cd check?05:08
HumanBladeno... it's the ShipIt cd05:08
TheresaWhen i do a sane-find-scanner it finds my usb scanner. How to i tell the rest of my installation about it? kooka can't find it.05:08
HumanBladevisual inspection is flawless05:08
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DaSkreechHumanBlade: Did they ship you an alternate as well?05:08
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HumanBlade1 CD, cardboard sleeve. no info.05:09
lithium_hi can i get some asistance05:09
DaSkreechHumanBlade: hmm05:09
DaSkreech!ask | lithium_05:10
ubotulithium_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)05:10
lithium_im new to linux, and im having some issues at the pasword prompts, im using kubuntu05:10
HumanBladeDaSkreech: not a complete newb. really would do fine with script. guess no one knows off top of the head...05:10
lithium_and if im prompted in a graphical box, its fine05:10
lithium_but if im at konsole and it asks for password, i type and no characters appear05:11
DaSkreechHumanBlade: far as I know the graphical Install is just that. a graphical install05:11
DaSkreechlithium_: that's by design05:11
lithium_okay for example,05:11
lithium_i got a limewire package05:11
DaSkreechlithium_: type in the right password and hit enter05:11
DaSkreechlithium_: it will accept it05:11
lithium_and when i right click and go to install package05:11
lithium_a terminal opens up05:11
lithium_like a command window05:12
lithium_which says password:05:12
lithium_and when i type, nothing shows up05:12
lithium_ive tried typing the password and hitting enter doesnt work05:12
lithium_ive tried just hitting enter as well05:12
lithium_i had the same issue when i installed Fedora\05:12
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lithium_except to log in to fedora you have to log in through a command line type interface05:13
DaSkreechlithium_: can you open a konsole and browse to the folder with the install package ?05:13
lithium_so i couldnt even log in05:13
lithium_i could try05:13
Dr_willislithium_,  when you enter ypur password NOTHING will echo back.05:13
Dr_willisno *'s no nothing. :)05:13
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lithium_sorry if my questions are ridiculous but ive used windows my whole life and finally decided to rebel against the man :)05:14
lithium_hmmm.. thats what i figured.05:14
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Dr_willisso i am guessing you are typing the password wrongly05:14
lithium_its little things like that i have to readjust to i guess.05:14
ubotulimewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.05:14
abuloalguien puede llegar a saber como puedo estar conectado aca pero jamas pueda ver ninguna pagina web05:14
abuloni conectarme al kopete05:15
DaSkreech!es | abulo05:15
ubotuabulo: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.05:15
lithium_does anyone know of a better p2p to use mainly for audio? Limewire really screws up your network config05:15
ubotufrostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire05:15
Dr_willisi dont see how limewire would screw up your network config at all.05:16
lithium_oh ok cool05:16
ubotuConventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.05:16
lithium_well my boyfriend is a network engineer and i never thought it did but hes spent ALOT of time fixing peoples computers because of limewire05:16
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lithium_he tried to explain exactly what it does but ive forgotten already. as usual.05:16
DaSkreechHa ha :)05:16
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DragnslcrSure it's not the files you're downloading with it?05:17
lithium_see thats the thing ive never ever had an issue with it.05:17
Dr_willisI agree with Dragnslcr /05:17
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Dr_willisLimewire is just a user app. it cant affect your network.. well other then to flood it with up/downloads.05:18
lithium_except for once when i installed it on his labtop and it made the internet connection stop working05:18
MECUI just install Kubuntu and when I restart I get a message "Error loading operating system" and that's it. How can I edit/format my two drives or the boot loader? (I I have two physical hard drives)05:18
lithium_Limewire will go in and change your internet configuration and actually attach itself to your network devices05:19
Dr_willisMECU,  sounds like grub dident get installed right.05:19
Dr_willislithium_, hmm.. Id like to see how it does that under linux.05:19
ubotuHi! Welcome to #kubuntu!05:19
Dr_willis'attatch to network device' is.. well.. lets say..  sounding fishy. :)05:19
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DaSkreechDr_willis: fish://y ?05:20
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Rictoowith grep how do I make the results also show the file it found it in? I am doing "cat *.java | grep Image05:20
lithium_yeah me too i was interested to see its behavior under linux as well05:20
MECUDr_willis: so how do I edit the grub?05:20
lithium_oh and also when i click on an installation package and it prompts for what application i want to open it with do i use the package manager or what05:21
DaSkreechRictoo: grep -r *.javaa05:22
RictooI think I see.05:22
DaSkreechlithium_: what's the install package called?05:22
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto05:22
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RictooDaSkreech: I dont see05:22
Rictoocan you give me an example?05:22
Rictoo"cat *.java | grep Image"05:22
RictooTat's what I was doing.05:23
Dr_willislithium_,  dont 'click' to install.. use the shell.05:23
Rictooand it works05:23
DaSkreechRictoo: try grep -r Image *.java05:23
Rictoobut it doesn't show the file it found it in.05:23
RictooOk, i will.05:23
lithium_when i went to the frost wire homepage and selectd to download frostwire i got prompted for what app to  use to open it05:23
Rictooyay :D Thanks DaSkreech05:23
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ubotufrostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire05:23
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DaSkreechRictoo: go Me!05:23
DaSkreechOh yes Konqueror always helpful :)05:24
lithium_if i open my terminal and the directory says lithium@lithium-desktop:~$ then im at desktop correct?05:25
DaSkreechlithium_: no you are at ~05:25
DaSkreechlithium_: type pwd to see where you are05:25
lithium_lol what the hell is that05:25
lithium_oh ok05:25
ubotuThe linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal05:25
Dr_willisi need to track down that shell tutorial site05:26
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savetheWorlda bash tutorial is available at http://linuxcommand.org/writing_shell_scripts.php05:26
MinatakuHeya, Dr_willis05:26
lithium_ok so if im at /home/lithium i would type cd /home/lithium/desktop correct?05:27
MinatakuGet all those memos? (Sorry about so many, BTW XD)05:27
Dr_willislithium_,  or 'cd desktop'05:27
MECUit was trying to load grub on my first HD so I switch the boot priority to the other HD and it works okay now05:27
savetheWorldalso http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashGuide05:27
Dr_willislithium_,  or cd de<tab>  and let it complete.05:27
Dr_willislithium_,  note the shell IS IS IS CaSe SenEstIvE! :005:27
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lithium_yeah i saw that. im gonna have to pound that one into my head im totally the queen of careless mistakes05:28
DaSkreechDr_willis: it's De<tab>05:28
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Dr_willisnot on my system any more. :)05:28
MinatakuDr_willis: Also, thanks a bunch, those calculators kick ass05:28
DaSkreechlithium_: or just name all your Folders With An Upper case To Make It Easier To Remember05:28
MinatakuI was able to test only one, the beat up TI-3005:28
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MinatakuWhich does this totally awesome flickering "8" when it's doing long calculations :D05:29
lithium_lmao oh i figured it out i wasnt capitalizing "Desktop" thats why it kept telling me no such directory exists lol05:29
Dr_willisMinataku,  heh.. that was the LCD one right? the newer of the lot. :) i almost kept it.. but got no use for it.05:29
MinatakuThat one needs some fixing up, though, it's rather beat up05:29
MinatakuDr_willis: No, that was a TI-6605:29
MinatakuWhich is incredibly awesome05:29
DaSkreechlithium_: welcome to the learning curve :)05:30
DaSkreechlithium_: learn Tab btw05:30
Dr_willisThey were all rather beat up when i got them from the Salvation Army store.05:30
erichji think i had like a ti-81 in high school05:30
MinatakuDr_willis: Most of them are just fine05:30
DaSkreech!tab | lithium_ this should make your life easier05:30
ubotulithium_ this should make your life easier: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.05:30
MinatakuThe TI-30 is a bit cracked up, is all05:30
erichjor 8605:30
Dr_willisMinataku,  i couldent even get them to power up. No adaptors, or stuff to give them power.05:30
MinatakuDr_willis: The 30 has a 9V battery pack05:31
DudeMeisterhey Amarok just froze, what do i do? i can't close it05:31
MinatakuConnected via a 9V battery clip05:31
Dr_willisMinataku,  heh - never noticed..   guess i could of kept that one. :P05:31
Dr_willislike i Need a calculator.05:35
MinatakuWhich is just perfect for connecting to a 9V battery XD05:35
MinatakuWhich I had in my TI-1200 :305:35
lithium_hmmm..awesome thanks.05:35
MinatakuDudeMeister: kill `pidof amarok`05:35
Dr_willisBe thankfull the batteries dident corrode in them live ive seen in many other devices.05:35
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MinatakuNote that is a "backtick"05:35
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MinatakuNot an apostrophe05:35
lithium_ok now i went ahead and downloaded the tarball, through konsole can i run the exec command on it?05:35
MinatakuThe backtick is on the same key as the ~05:35
Minatakulithium_: You don't execute tars05:35
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MinatakuYou unpack them05:35
Dr_willislithium_,  wat did you download exactly?05:35
DudeMeisterMinataku, it gave me this output05:35
DudeMeisterkill: usage: kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -sigspec]  pid | jobspec ... or kill -l [sigspec] 05:35
lithium_oh lol of course05:35
erichjDudeMeister: xkill and click on amarok05:35
MinatakuDudeMeister: Did you use the backtick?05:35
DaSkreechlithium_: for frostwire?05:35
DudeMeisteri copied it as from what you typed05:35
MinatakuUse erichj's then05:35
lithium_what type of file am i looking for in the extracted frostwire folder05:35
Minatakuxkill and click on it05:35
Dr_willisFrostwire had a .deb package you can just install.. its that simple.05:35
DudeMeisterthat's a nice trick!05:35
Dr_willisdownload  frostwire-
DudeMeisterhey what do i need to get mp3 support?05:35
Dr_willissudo dpkg -frostwire-
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Dr_willisoops typo05:35
Dr_willissudo dpkg -i frostwire-
redrm -rf /05:35
lithium_i tried, but as i said when i go to download it, it asks what application i wanna use to open it05:35
redoops, wrong window05:35
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Dr_willislithium_,  download it.. use the shell.05:35
MinatakuDO NOT TYPE WHAT red SAID05:35
MinatakuHey, ops, someone wanna take this guy outta here?05:35
erichjhe would need to add sudo to do any damage05:35
lithium_the shell? like Konsole?05:35
ubotuThe linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal05:35
Dr_williswe went over that. :)05:35
Minatakuerichj: Doesn't matter, that's just plain wrong05:35
erichji agree05:35
lithium_ok i thought thats what you meant05:35
Dr_willisshell = konsole = terminal05:35
Dr_willisaka 'bash' :005:35
intelikeykonsole != console       :)05:35
DaSkreechlithium_: can't you right click and save link as ?05:35
Dr_willistechnicially Konsole is the program that gives you a interface to the shell you chose to run.(bash by default)05:35
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MinatakuKonsole is a terminal emulator05:35
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Dr_willisMinataku,  what does that make minicom then? :)05:36
MinatakuDr_willis: Same thing05:36
lithium_okay when i ppened it with konsole, the file downloaded, and went god knows where, and now my konsole is jsut a directory line nothing more.05:36
lithium_is that saying it installed?05:36
erichjwhent to /home probably05:36
lithium_it went here05:36
MinatakuI'm lucky enough to own a real serial terminal :D05:36
MinatakuSpecifically, a Wyse WY-60 with green phosphor CRT05:37
DaSkreechlithium_: ha ha05:37
bigmoeI have a question. Do people have any problems when running kubuntu/ubuntu on macbooks?05:37
MinatakuDr_willis: Oh, that HDD is 20MB05:37
DaSkreechlithium_: sudo dpkg -i /var/tmp/kdecache-lithium/krun/11043.0.frostwire-
erichjbigmoe: as far as i know there are no problems05:37
bigmoethank you05:38
intelikeyerichj /home != $HOME    default home is /home/<username>/05:38
erichjbigmoe: maybe with the built in isight but everything else should be fine05:38
MinatakuI took two things off of it, one that I kept, then wiped it since I didn't find anything on there too useful05:38
erichjintelikey: i just assumed that he would understand that05:38
MinatakuDr_willis: All that's left are the Amigas, which I'll have to sneak in under my asshole dad's nose05:38
DaSkreechlithium_: let me know tid that doesn't work05:38
MinatakuMaybe I'll have you address it to my mom05:38
DaSkreech!ohmy | Minataku05:38
ubotuMinataku: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.05:38
MinatakuThat way he won't give a damn05:39
bigmoeim thinking of just buying a macbook 4 college then when they update the os a couple of times ill just switch05:39
Minatakubigmoe: No05:39
bigmoeim cheap that way05:39
Dr_willisMinataku,  whats sad.. i had a Wyse for ages.. then 'lost' the keyboard.. then i FOUND the keyboard 8 yrs later.. the week aftger i threw out the monitor.05:39
MinatakuDon't get a Macbook05:39
Dr_willisMinataku,  i got an ibm serial terminal somewhere..05:39
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:39
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about apple - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:39
ubotuPowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ05:39
MinatakuYou're cheap... and you want a Macbook!?05:39
erichjbigmoe: that is alot of money to spend on x86 hardware05:39
Dr_willisDell  has some OK linux laptops for 888$05:39
MinatakuThat's one hell of a contradiction05:39
Dr_willisor so05:39
MinatakuDr_willis: Oooh, an IBM one? Sweet. :D05:40
bigmoewell... with educational discount it is $99905:40
erichjbigmoe: i've used acer laptops for years because they run linux like a dream05:40
MinatakuDaSkreech: You don't know my dad. I'm not gonna censor it when I'm talking about him.05:40
MinatakuThat's what he is, period.05:40
Dr_willisMinataku,  its erather ugly compared to the wyse i had.. but i dont need it any more. :005:40
MinatakuDr_willis: Probably too expensive to ship, though05:41
Dr_willisMinataku,  yea its about the size of a 16 in monitor.05:41
Dr_willisand given that a cheap PC can handle it.05:41
erichjthe enterprise rental place i was at today used WYSE terminals05:41
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MarkedaDoes anyone here have experience setting up Kubuntu with an Epson Stylus CX3200 printer? I've run into a bit of a snag with it...05:43
Dr_williserichj,  yea - they are still around.. we used to use them at work. a cheap pc + livecd can do the same job however.05:43
Dr_williserichj,  cheaper even. :)05:43
MinatakuYeah, but when you get a $700 serial terminal package for $40 total05:44
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Dr_willisit wold be nice if Linux-thinclients could take off. :) Its going to be hard to compete with  $100 pc's05:44
MinatakuCan't beat that with a stick05:44
Dr_willisI used the serial terminal ages ago on my amiga :)  and in college05:44
Dr_williskermit - the good old days05:45
MinatakuGuru Meditiation05:45
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MinatakuThe local cable access/info channels used to use Amigas05:45
hitmanWillyok, that's even a little before my time :)05:45
MinatakuI know this because one day one of them crashed on the beginning of the weekend05:49
WillJitsuI've got a buddy that has a Linksys WUSB12 wireless USB adapter that he's trying to get working.  What's the quickest way for him to do that?05:49
MinatakuAnd all weekend there was a Guru Meditation error on the TV05:49
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intelikeyMarkeda if you can describe your issue a little someone "might" pickup and help ya.05:49
MarkedaUnfortunately, I can't, since I don't know what's wrong with it...05:49
Dr_willisMinataku,  at work - we have a similer thing on the TV/news for the factory one day there was a dialog box. "ok/cancle" on the tvs.. this guy was TOUCHING the TV screen trying to get it to go away. :)05:49
MarkedaI've been through linux-foundation.org's stuff and some of the linked sites from it, my printer is recognized, but nothing prints.05:49
MinatakuIt's cute, in a sad sorta way05:49
Dr_willisMinataku,  i recall a "BSOD" screen saver  that replays old machine 'crash screens' :)05:49
lithium_ok in konsole ive gotten into the correct directory, the folder with frostwires files i downloaded. what command am i running and on what file?05:49
MinatakuDr_willis: It's part of xscreensaver05:49
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NickPrestaDr_willis, I use that SS all the time. :P05:49
bigmoeerichj how much does your laptop cost?05:49
MinatakuNot only that, but the thing that dragged me back to Linux05:49
Minatakubigmoe: Best laptops period: Toshiba05:49
MinatakuNo question, no exception05:49
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erichji paid $698 for mine05:49
erichjacer kills toshiba05:49
intelikeyMarkeda maybe one of those links will help.  maybe they wont...05:49
MinatakuThey're a bit pricy, but the best ever05:49
hitmanWillyMinataku, yeah, they're up there on the list05:49
lithium_Toshibas are horrible. Toshibas make as good labtops as george bush makes a president.05:49
bigmoeerich what are the specs?05:49
Dr_willisI like my $350 laptop i found on sale :)05:49
Minatakulithium_: You just said the wrong thing to the wrong person05:49
lithium_and thats not saying alot05:49
Dr_willisits a noname-brand.05:49
lithium_lol k05:49
Dr_willisheh heh..05:49
MinatakuWhere's my clue-by-four05:49
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Dr_willisPlease no Politics!05:49
lithium_terrifying really,.05:49
MinatakuI'ma need a new one after this05:49
bigmoe350? how fast is it?05:49
erichjintel core duo 1.6, 1meg cache, 1gb ram, 120gb drive, dual layer dvd burner with lightscribe05:49
MinatakuOh, it's not politics05:49
Dr_willisUnles sits about the RIAA and DMCA stupidity05:49
erichjintel gma95005:49
lithium_im sorry are you offended over toshiba or george bush?05:49
Minatakulithium_: Though seriously, what makes you say that?05:49
Minatakulithium_: The comparison05:49
lithium_because they  both monumentally SUCK at their intended purposes05:49
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bigmoesomehting is wrong with the acer site05:49
Minatakulithium_: So you just don't like them for no reason.05:50
lithium_toshibas are fine i will say generally, but they tend to have the WEIRDEST quirks05:50
MinatakuLike what?05:50
MinatakuI have 4 Toshibas05:50
MinatakuFrom 1987 to 200305:50
MinatakuI'm on a Toshiba right now05:50
lithium_like they run great but they have the WEIRDEST little issues that are common among differant series05:50
Minataku 23:49:52 up 96 days, 19:15,  6 users,  load average: 0.13, 0.03, 0.0105:50
bigmoeim looking for a core 2 duo prcessor05:50
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MinatakuWorst I ever had was an ACPI kernel bug05:50
Dr_willisof coruse are not most laptops made by a few companies - for these other bigger companies?05:51
erichjyou going to run a 64bit distro?05:51
MinatakuWhich was nobody's fault, really05:51
bigmoei will if i have to05:51
Dr_willisWorst problem ivbe had with laptops is the *$#@&@ case's and hinges breaking05:51
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MinatakuDr_willis: Heh05:51
MinatakuSame, I'm sad to say05:51
lithium_like i used to have a satellite...s205 maybe? i dont remember anymore. but i had an issue with the screen shutting off whenever it felt like it, and low and behold, when i got onto toshiba forums there were 900 others with the same issue05:51
MinatakuPiyoko's hinges are trashed05:51
Dr_williseven ones that get very little use. i had cracking.. took it back 3 times.05:51
MinatakuBut the Piyoko's taken plenty of abuse05:51
Dr_willisI got an old sony vaio laptop 'glued' to a wooden frame. :) its a Pent III05:52
erichji almost bought a core 2 duo model, but i won't be using a 64bit distro until there is better support. so i went with the dual core 32bit instead05:52
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lithium_and another one i had, that series commonly had a power port that stopped working05:52
MinatakuPiyoko, BTW, a Toshiba Satellite A25-S20705:52
Dr_willis64bitness.. will it be the 'standard' here in a year...   or not. :)05:52
Minatakulithium_: Sounds like you managed to be unlucky05:52
bigmoeim going for a 2gz processor05:52
bigmoei c05:52
MinatakuLike I said, I have 4 of them, three "second-hand" and one "bought-new"05:53
MinatakuAll excellent05:53
bigmoei want to be able to use my laptop 4 a long time lol05:53
lithium_thats what i figured cause i usually am. but there were always 800 ppl online complaining of the same thing.05:53
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lithium_there was actually a suit or whatever for my model, like if you filed they would replace it.05:53
erichjbigmoe: linux sys requirements don't increase at the rate mac os and windows do.05:53
MinatakuA recall05:53
bigmoei know05:53
MinatakuIt happens05:53
lithium_yeah those05:53
MinatakuNobody's perfect :P05:53
lithium_its probably me though. thats just my luck.05:54
bigmoebut i might be using it for 8 years05:54
lithium_i loved my satellite though. it got stolen by a crackhead :(05:54
Minatakulithium_: >.<05:54
lithium_id still have it otherwise.05:54
erichjjust don't buy a mac. you can get core 2 duo models cheaper05:54
intelikey1 ! c y ppl u's totally unreadable cod3 in IRC05:54
Dr_willis8 years.. bah.05:54
MinatakuDr_willis: Too short?05:54
MinatakuI put 5 years as the useful life of a system05:54
MinatakuThough that was 10 years ago05:54
bigmoeshow me where? i havent seen and 2ghz duo 2 core05:55
Dr_willisat the rate laptop prices are dropping - in 2 years $300 ones will be common.05:55
MinatakuPiyoko is approaching 4 and still well in useful territory05:55
ToddEDM2hey guys, is there a distro that is more user friendly than ubuntu kubuntu?05:55
Dr_willisya can get lucky and find $350 laptops now. :)05:55
Dr_willisToddEDM2,  define 'user friendly'05:55
intelikeyToddEDM2 define user friendly05:56
hitmanWillyintelikey, th3y r try1ng 2 shw thr 1337n3ss :)05:56
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intelikeyhitmanWilly prolly05:56
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Dr_willisDoh! i could of sent that to you Minataku  :)05:56
MinatakuLeetness in a 4 year old laptop? XD05:56
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bigmoei have not seen any really good $350 laptops05:56
MinatakuA bit too behind to be considered "1337"05:57
ToddEDM2user friendly = easy to pick up and learn...... lots of gui05:57
DaSkreechyay firefox froze05:57
lithium_so anyways what command do i run on what file to install a app?05:57
MinatakuA fancy interface doesn't mean it's user friendly05:57
Dr_willisI dont see how 'lots of gui' follows. :005:58
intelikeyToddEDM2 heh,  my def. "does exactly what i tell it to, and nothing more. no questions asked,"05:58
DaSkreechlithium_: if it's a .deb you can run sudo dpkg -i05:58
hitmanWillyToddEDM2, ubuntu is probably about the easiest out there right now...at least for the point and click crowd05:58
erichjmaybe not 2ghz sub $1000 but a 1.8ghz c2d with 1gb and 160gb storage sub $1000 is doable05:58
Dr_willisthese days it seems "user Friendly" = "Limiting the Users Options. so the Brain Dead idiot cant get confused"05:58
ToddEDM2thanks hitmanWilly...05:58
bigmoewhich company05:58
hitmanWillyToddEDM2, however, when trying to get in and play with the guts of it it gets to be a pita05:59
MinatakuDr_willis: Like GNOME05:59
intelikeyToddEDM2 but there are three or maybe four major distros that do specialize in what you asked for,  this one.  mandriva suse and +/- fedora05:59
MinatakuhitmanWilly: I'm NOT the only one who thinks [knows]  that!05:59
MinatakuYeah, *buntu is really a pain when it comes to trying to break free of the hand-holding06:00
ToddEDM2Dr_willis whats wrong with that06:00
hitmanWilly:) all it takes to see it is trying a kernel recompile, or a source code build...06:00
DaSkreechlithium_: there are a few different ways to install linux programs06:00
Dr_willisToddEDM2,  when a 'idiotproofed' system breaks. its 100x harder to actually FIX. since you have to figure out how to get around all the idiot-proofing06:00
ToddEDM2intelikey..... i think im gonna try fedora06:00
intelikeyMinataku well, if that's the case i should have no trubble with other distros06:00
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Dr_willisand if the Idiot-proofed system dosent do what you want.. you are stuck.06:01
DaSkreechare there any none gui distross ?06:01
Dr_willisDaSkreech,  yes several.06:01
Dr_willisTrustix used to be one. not sure any more.06:01
erichjToddEDM2: fedora core 7 is nice, their reps are too slow otherwise i would be using it06:01
Dr_willisseveralk other fileserver/server disrtos.06:01
MinatakuIdiot-proof systems are also Genius-proof06:01
MinatakuThat's the fundamental problem06:01
MinatakuIt has to be locked down so tight that a doofus can't break it06:01
intelikeyToddEDM2 if it's convinient try them all,  you never know what will like you until you meat it.06:02
MinatakuThe side effect is that it's locked down so tight that nobody can fix it06:02
intelikey"if you make it idiot proof, they'll just make a better idiot"06:03
MarkedaWasn't there a website that had a nice Q&A for people to figure out which distro's might be good for them? (Or several sites?)06:03
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Minatakuintelikey: That's the other problem06:03
MinatakuIt's never idiot proof06:03
MinatakuThose idiots STILL break it all the time06:03
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hitmanWillysudo rm -rf / still works every time :)06:03
intelikeyhitmanWilly not nearly as well as cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda06:04
DaSkreechhitmanWilly: yeah please stop saying that :)06:04
Markeda:/ The first time I tried Linux (a couple years ago) I was about to do that when someone was joking about how it would fix a problem I had :/06:04
bigmoesudo rm -rf /dev/cdrom :)06:04
hitmanWillyintelikey, yeah, that one too :P06:04
Minatakubigmoe: That'll work06:04
MinatakuIt'll delete the cdrom device (or symlink)06:05
MinatakuAnyway, my colon has crashed and is requesting I write a dump to /dev/toilet06:05
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intelikeymount /dev/null -t none /06:05
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hitmanWillyborking your system, 101 :)06:06
bigmoelol 200 people in the channel ruins of and do it06:06
intelikeyruins ?06:06
hitmanWillyintelikey, for a good laugh put that in fstab :)06:06
intelikeyhitmanWilly on whos system ?06:07
DaSkreechcause penguins are sheeple06:07
hitmanWillysomeone who really pissed you off :P06:07
intelikeyhey penguins are sheeple too06:07
lithium_the only info im getting through google is using the ./configure command whcih is not working at all06:08
intelikeyhitmanWilly heh,   yeah but i'd have to fix it for them...   and it would loose all it's flavour06:08
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intelikeylithium_ got build-essential ?06:08
intelikeygot milk ?06:09
intelikeyno never mind that last one.06:09
lithium_uh no but i will if need be lol06:09
DaSkreechlithium_: you are installing from the .deb ?06:09
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lithium_like what type of file am i looking for? .jar? .so? .war?06:09
erichjsweet, comedy central roast of william shatner is on06:10
DaSkreechlithium_: did you say you had downloaded to /var/tmp something somthing ?06:10
intelikeywell if it's talking about the configure file  it's source and youll need b-e06:10
ubotuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)06:10
DaSkreechintelikey: she got that from google06:10
hitmanWillyintelikey, actually, echo that into fstab with a suid root bash script, find a way to auto distribute it, and no one would have any idea you did it until servers across the net started dropping like flies06:10
lithium_as i stand now, i downloaded the tarball to my dsktop and extracted it to a folder i renamed "Frostwire.noarch"06:10
intelikeywell what is the issue ?06:10
lithium_i directed Konsole into that folder06:11
lithium_and im asking what command to run on what file?06:11
erichjis there a file called configure?06:11
DaSkreechsudo dpkg -i filename.deb06:11
lithium_i shall check06:11
DaSkreechlithium_: type ls06:11
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DaSkreechlithium_: get the first three letters of the file06:12
erichjls | grep configure06:12
hitmanWillyproof of concept for a nix virus...sneak it into one of the major distros repos and you've got yourself a genuine linux virus...06:12
DaSkreechthen type sudo dpkg -i fro<tab>06:12
intelikeylithium_ "tarball to my dsktop"   that's source.  you'll have to install build-essential (if it's not installed) to build it.    but please look for a .deb first and save us all a head ache06:12
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DaSkreechintelikey: it's a deb06:12
intelikeyDaSkreech tarball is a .deb ?06:13
DaSkreechno she has a deb06:13
DaSkreechfrom frostwire's site06:13
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intelikeyok.  if it's a .deb    sudo dpkg -i filename.deb06:14
lithium_its not a .deb its a tar ball06:14
lithium_when i try to download the .deb, it asks me what application i want to oepn it with. and i choose konsole, and nothing happens06:14
intelikeylithium_ nope.  it's not    they all told me it wasn't  you must be mistaken......   :)06:15
DaSkreechlithium_: you said you had a file at file:///var/tmp/kdecache somthing right ?06:15
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lithium_you CAN choose to download a .deb but not only does that happen but its for i586 or something im on i38606:15
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DaSkreechlithium_: what proc do you have ?06:16
Dr_willis frostwire-   works fine for me06:16
ubotuCommon Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.06:16
erichjdon't open it in konsole06:16
Dr_willissince the program is written in java - it DOSENT matter.06:16
lithium_Intel celeron D. dont laugh at me. im in the middle of upgrading.06:16
erichjuse a package manager06:16
intelikeysave it as a file06:16
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Dr_willisso it should work for you.06:16
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Dr_willisThats sort of the point of java. :)06:17
lithium_wait i dont think i have java06:17
Dr_willisUnless they got some other speciic bits06:17
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intelikey!java | lithium_06:17
ubotulithium_: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.06:17
Dr_willisso install java.. install that deb. and it will work for you. :) perhaps.06:17
lithium_i know how to install java.06:17
Kite_DHhes just helping06:18
intelikeyis he ?    am i ?06:18
Kite_DHO_O hes not?06:18
Dr_willisworks for me. :006:18
Dr_willisNow ive no idea why they call that package a i586  - wonder what all is in there.06:19
lithium_can i use a amd64 file if i have a 64 bit intel?06:19
klobsterok, I screwed up my grub and I tried to fix it using the install disk, and it may have copied files over my root partition.  partition is there, files intact (it was mounted without formatting, FWIW).  Question: I am running Ext3, is it possible to do a journal check to see what if anything has been done to my partition?06:19
erichjlithium_: yes06:19
lithium_its the same architecture so i would think so06:19
lithium_ok cool06:19
intelikeywe're entirely too playfull in here today...06:19
klobstersorry for the long question06:19
DaSkreechlithium_: ys but it might not work as well as a i686 :)06:19
lithium_i have i38606:19
erichji wouldn't say that x86-64 is the same as emt6406:20
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fskc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:20
ubotufsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot06:20
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Dr_willislithium_,  No.. It depends on what disrto you isntalled.06:20
klobsterfsck (and e2fsck) only check  the filesystem, no?  will it check files for touch dates, etc?06:20
Dr_willislithium_,  if you installed the 64bit ubuntu - you want the 64bit packages..06:21
lithium_ok jesus...NOW when i click on the Java install package, it asks me what to open it with, so i choose add/removeprograms, and then im asked for my password, and nothing happens.....06:21
lithium_oh boy.....06:21
Dr_willislithium_,  clicking what where?06:21
Dr_williswhats with all this clicking> :)06:21
DaSkreechlithium_: Eh?06:21
intelikeyklobster unless you -f it won't even look at the fs,  only the journal06:21
DaSkreechlithium_: did you read the !java06:21
lithium_the what?06:21
erichjubotu: java06:21
ubotuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.06:21
Dr_willissudo apt-get install  sun-java6-jre       - like the !java factoid "vaguely' said :)06:21
Dr_willisthats the proper way to install java on ubuntu.06:22
klobsterintelikey: thank you, that's what I wanted to hear.06:22
intelikeyshe knows how to install java06:22
DaSkreechintelikey: by clicking on it :)06:22
klobsterok, so fsck or e2fsck?06:22
DaSkreechlithium_: I'm going to assume that you haven't added any repos yet ?06:23
intelikeysame program06:23
DaSkreechklobster: fsck is the safe bet06:23
DaSkreechlithium_: let me know if yo have no clue what I'm talking about :)06:23
lithium_what the f is a repo?06:25
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu06:25
Dr_willistime to hit the ubuntu/Kubuntu FUNdamentals! :006:25
intelikeyshort hand for repository06:25
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Dr_willis!info  sun-java6-jre06:25
ubotusun-java6-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-00-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 6176 kB, installed size 14148 kB06:25
intelikeynot to be confused with a supository06:25
DaSkreechintelikey: oh my!06:26
intelikeywell it wouldn't be a good idea to confuse them...06:26
Dr_williscomponent multiverse -is the repositority its in. :)06:26
hitmanWillyone goes on the computer, one up the backside...now which is which :P06:27
intelikeyobviously the other one....06:28
hitmanWillyoh, of course :)06:28
klobstersafe to assume this will take awhile?06:28
intelikeydepends klobster06:28
DaSkreechintelikey: I'm shuddering trying to think of using universe as a suppository06:29
intelikeyspeed of drive speed of cpu size of fs and number of files and data on the fs06:29
hitmanWillythe fscking server won't fit!!! XD06:29
DaSkreechlithium_: Want help?06:29
lithium_oh sorry yes lol06:30
hitmanWillyok, enough of that06:30
DaSkreechlithium_: where are you?06:30
lithium_im in my bedroom.06:30
lithium_im in terminal, directed to /home/lithium/Desktop/Frostwire.noarch (which is the app folder i downloaded)06:31
klobster blocks06:31
Dr_willisapp folder you downloaded?06:32
DaSkreechlithium_: press alt+space06:32
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DaSkreechlithium_: then type adept and pres enter06:32
klobsterok SO I sudo fsck /dev/sda3 it runs pass1/2/3/4/5 (all checking etc), announces  files and blocks (3.2% non-contigous).  does that mean it did anything?06:33
klobsternothing says fixed "X"06:33
DaSkreechlithium_: opened adept?06:35
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inteliwaspwhere can i find a good idiot's(that being me...) guide to installing programs by compiling them?06:35
intelikeyklobster that means it checked the fs  and found no errors.06:35
klobsterthat can't be right06:35
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klobsterroot.pacman contains a file system with errors, check forced06:35
erichjnever question fsck06:35
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lithium_alright im in adept06:36
DaSkreechlithium_: ok under the menus go adpet -> manage repos06:36
intelikeyklobster no that means it was not cleanly umounted   not that it actually has errors06:36
DaSkreechadept even06:36
mo0osahI have been using azureus for a while, right now, i'm trying to open it but it doest do anything06:36
lithium_k just a sec06:36
klobsterok, cool.  maybe no files were overwritten, then?06:37
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lithium_alrighty then06:37
DaSkreechlithium_: this is feisty right ?06:38
DaSkreechmo0osah: open it from the konsole06:38
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lithium_i have no knowledge as to what feisty is.....06:38
ubotuKubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) is the latest version of Kubuntu. Upgrading to Feisty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php06:39
DaSkreechlithium_: do you have a dialog with checkboxes or a page with a lot of writing?06:39
ToddEDM2how do i make myself root06:39
intelikeylithium_ in a konsole type    lsb_release -a06:39
DaSkreechToddEDM2: use sudo06:39
Dr_willisk/Ubuntu has cute animal names for the diofferent versions :)06:39
ToddEDM2sudo sh -?06:39
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DaSkreechToddEDM2: sudo -i06:39
lithium_in adept itself or in the add repository box?06:39
Dr_willissudo -s  - is what i use :006:39
lithium_well they both have checkboxes06:40
DaSkreechlithium_: add repository box06:40
DaSkreechlithium_: two of them are unchecked ?06:40
intelikeyToddEDM2 sudo -i    sudo -s    sudo su -    sudo sh   the order is most to least desirable06:40
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lithium_ok when im in adept, and i go to :manage repositories" i get a box that is titled "software sources"06:41
ToddEDM2what are the -i, -s, su- called?06:41
lithium_with tabs labels third party software, updates, authentication, and statistics06:41
intelikeyfirst two are args/flags the last is a program/command06:42
DaSkreechlithium_: right the first one has two checkmarks not checked ?06:42
lithium_actually all of mine are checked06:42
ToddEDM2i cant search directories as root06:43
ToddEDM2is that normal06:43
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ToddEDM2search, i mean navigate06:43
intelikeyToddEDM2 navigate how ?06:43
ToddEDM2cd Desktop06:44
ToddEDM2like that06:44
lithium_gots to pee brb, keep talking06:44
intelikeyToddEDM2 heh   no.   root can go anywhere in the system.06:44
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ToddEDM2im trying to install these nvidia drivers, and i need to be logged in as root06:44
intelikeyToddEDM2 there prolly isn't a /root/Desktop/06:44
Dr_willisintelikey,  heck.  i think i ran some progaram and it asked to modivy my sources.list i aint had to touch it to get the other repos.06:44
intelikeyToddEDM2    pwd06:45
lithium_ok back06:45
Dr_willisToddEDM2,   if you use the package manager to isntall the nvidia packages inthe repos. its much easier.06:45
hitmanWillyToddEDM2, plus if they're from the site you'll have to kill X to install them...and play around with some config files to boot06:46
intelikeyDr_willis yeah.   "aint had to touch it"  translates in my ears as  " M$ like POS is modifying system files without me "06:46
Dr_willisintelikey,  no.. it asked.. i clicked yes.. :)06:46
Dr_willisive not had to touch it SINCE that time.06:47
ToddEDM2i installed NVidia binary X.org driver .... is that what i shoulda been downloading06:47
intelikeywell that's only one step away.   that's what M$ used to do.....06:47
Dr_willisToddEDM2,  ya should of been followign the !nvidia factoid06:47
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto06:47
DaSkreechlithium_: ok you can close adept06:48
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DaSkreechlithium_: you can type sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre06:48
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klobsterlets assume it's in working order.  can i mount my root partition as root in LiveCD, so I can try to fix my grub, or do I need to do it manually?06:49
DaSkreechlithium_: tried the command I just told you?06:50
Dr_willisklobster,  that would be fixingit manually :)06:51
Dr_willismount the root partition, chroot over to it. fix it.06:51
intelikeyklobster no but you don't need to....    mount your root partition on /mnt/  and do   sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt  /dev/sda    or whatever you disk it.06:51
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lithium_alrighty then.06:51
lithium_sorry my taskbar didnt flash to indicte someone was talking to me...06:52
intelikeypage up06:52
DaSkreechlithium_: that installs java06:52
DaSkreechlithium_: using konversation ?06:52
lithium_E: Type 'jre-6u1-linux-amd64.bin' is not known on line 44 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list06:53
lithium_E: The list of sources could not be read.06:53
lithium_no i use xchat06:53
Dr_willisI think someone did some sort of booboo somewhere.06:53
DaSkreechlithium_: can you paste bin your sources.list ?06:53
DaSkreechlithium_: the file is /etc/apt/sources.list06:54
intelikeytype  hehe06:54
Dr_willisany special reason you are using amd64? you installed the 64bit version of Kuubuntu?06:54
michael__how do i search for nautilus in processses?06:55
Jucato!pastebin | lithium_06:55
ubotulithium_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)06:55
klobsterintelikey: I have a separate boot partition that I Installed grub on (not the MBR)06:55
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about processes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:55
intelikeyklobster ?06:55
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intelikeyklobster so grub is not you boot manager ?06:56
ToddEDM2good night guys06:56
Dr_willismichael__,  ps ax | grep pattern06:56
Dr_willislinux fundamentals06:56
ToddEDM2hey before i go...06:56
mo0osahDaSkreech: It opens up and everything and then gives me an error in console06:56
ToddEDM2is there any distro that will have my nvidia drivers installed when i install the OS?06:56
Dr_willisToddEDM2,  that MintLinux migt06:56
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Dr_willisToddEDM2,  it takes me all of say.. 3 min to get Nvidia going on a clean install06:57
intelikeyToddEDM2 outside chance suse would  but not likely06:57
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Dr_willismost disrtos these days make it rather trivial to get nvidia drivers going.06:57
intelikeyToddEDM2 the drivers are not free06:57
intelikeybeer/air ^06:58
michael__how do i kill all?06:58
inteliwaspwhere can i find a good idiot's(that being me...) guide to installing programs by compiling them?06:58
intelikeykillall blah06:58
Dr_willismichael__,  you may want to clarifh that question a bit.06:58
ubotuYou can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html06:58
michael__like thsi fucking process idea06:58
michael__for nautilus, it wont die06:58
ubotuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)06:58
klobsterintelikey: oh yeah the querstion.  No grub is my boot manager, but it boots off of sda1.  the question: will running --root-directory take into account the boot partition?06:58
michael__it keeps restarting06:58
michael__i want it DEAD06:59
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Dr_willismichael__,  try xkill06:59
intelikeykill -9 -1   michael__06:59
inteliwaspDr_willis: how do i find them after i compile them?06:59
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intelikeyklobster no.  you'll have to mount it    sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot06:59
Dr_willisinteliwasp,  you pay attention to where 'make install' puts them...06:59
Dr_willisinteliwasp,  or you tell them where to isntall to during the ./configure phase07:00
intelikeywhen umounting reverse the order klobster   umount /mnt/boot    then  /mnt/07:00
intelikeyinteliwasp or use find if you know part of the name07:00
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intelikeyinteliwasp  'man find'  but a short example; find /usr/ -iname *example*07:01
inteliwaspDr_willis: oh, do i use sudo for all commands?07:01
Dr_willisinteliwasp,  depends on the commands07:02
inteliwaspwhen installing...07:02
Dr_willisnormally to install somthing system wide you use 'sudo make install' and thats it.07:02
Dr_willisas the last command.07:02
inteliwaspwhat about configure?07:02
klobsterintelikey: original issue: grub boots, but I get an error 15 when I choose a kernel07:02
intelikeynormal;   ./configure && make && sudo make install07:02
Dr_willisas i just said.. sudo make install... thats it.. :)07:02
DaSkreechmo0osah: what error?07:03
Dr_willisyou dont need sudo for the others.07:03
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klobsterintelikey: is /mnt importttant? can it be /something I made?07:03
intelikeyklobster 15  refresh my memory what is that error ?07:03
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klobsterintelikey: file not found?07:03
Minatakuklobster: Uh oh07:03
intelikeyklobster yes /what-ever_like\'_you/07:04
MinatakuYou're the second one tonight07:04
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hitmanWillygrub cmd line it is :)07:04
MinatakuhitmanWilly: Not even07:04
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DaSkreechlithium_: do you have sources open?07:04
MinatakuIf it's like the last guy, his /etc/fstab is hosed07:04
MinatakuHe'll NEVER boot properly07:04
klobsterhitmanwilly: didn't work07:04
intelikeyMinataku you can boot without an /etc/fstab07:05
Minatakuklobster: Get a LiveCD... you'll be needing one07:05
lithium_im sorry?07:05
MinatakuLast guy booted with the SuperGRUB floppy07:05
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Minatakuklobster: By chance did you just do a kernel update?07:05
klobsterminataku: yeah that's right.  I tried to set by label, because something kept switching my drives between /dev/sda and /dev/hda.  I'm on the fiesty liveCD right now,07:05
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klobsterminataku: kernel update screwed it the first time, something else the second.07:06
hitmanWillygreat, the hda/sda issue...07:06
intelikeyklobster that "something" is called "scsi emulation" not one of ubuntu's better ideas...07:06
Minatakuintelikey: WRONG07:06
MinatakuWell, partially07:06
MinatakuSCSI Emulation is wonderful07:07
klobsterhitmanwilly: you would think that if you were going to change a STANARDD you would announce and give time for people to adjust...07:07
MinatakuWhen it's NOT applied to PATA devices07:07
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intelikeyMinataku or scsi07:07
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MinatakuWhen PATA devices suddenly become sdx, all hell breaks loose07:07
hitmanWillyi do believe the hd devs are still there as symlinks for routine stuff...07:08
intelikeyand when you emulate what hardware is already doing it's not funny either07:08
hitmanWillyoh yes it is :)07:08
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intelikeywell funny maybe   :)07:08
MinatakuI have no real SCSI07:09
intelikeyas far as my vote  even  udev  was a mistake07:09
MinatakuI have PATA and USB07:09
hitmanWillyklobster, you could always change fstab to UUIDs to solve this issue in the future07:10
Minatakuudev is great, a lot better than the typical "make a node for every possible device we'll ever possibly have so "ls /dev" takes up 5 screens" approach07:10
MinatakuWhile I thouroughly hate the UUID plan07:10
intelikeyit all falls back to the idiot proof paradigm07:10
MinatakuI may end up doing it07:10
klobsterall: so i set labels, and did a reboot, and it died, after (maybe) clearing my device.map and boning my menu.lst, I can get it to boot to a busybox if I do a manual announce of root and kernel07:10
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Minatakuintelikey: Not udev, no07:11
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klobsterhitmanwilly: I was changing to fstab to label; I think thats how I got here07:11
MinatakuLabel was never a good way of doing it07:11
hitmanWillyklobster, do you have a backup of your old fstab? at least something to boot with?07:12
MinatakuIn fact, it was always a pretty horrible way of doing it07:12
MinatakuhitmanWilly: The fstab can be rebuilt07:12
MinatakuIt was done earlier07:12
MinatakuSame issue07:12
MinatakuHosed fstab07:12
klobsterI dont see how /dev/disk/by-label/"labl" is any different than /dev/sda07:12
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Minatakuklobster: UUID is the best alternate to doing it by device07:12
MinatakuWhich seems to be a permanent change kernel-wise07:13
hitmanWillyerr, /dev entries heh...07:13
MinatakuWhich pisses me off07:13
MinatakuEspecially for external devices and floppy drives, though I'm sure I can still put those in the fstab by dev entry07:13
MinatakuhitmanWilly: Mine are all by dev entry too07:14
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MinatakuThat's the way it's always been done07:14
intelikey /dev entries are never an issue unless your system adds and removes them for you.....07:14
MinatakuWhich is what really pisses me off here07:14
MinatakuThe fact that it looks like there may be, more or less, a forced change07:14
hitmanWillyMinataku, comes from having to hand write it out :)07:14
MinatakuThough I'm running a 2.6.20 kernel and have no such hda/sda issue07:14
klobsteryup.  If I didn't know as much as I do about linux (which is still nothing) I would've been screwed.07:14
MinatakuThen again, I'm running a vanilla 2.6.20 kernel07:15
MinatakuWhereas *buntu is using some no doubt horrifically bastardized kernel07:15
hitmanWilly2.6.21 here, and same deal07:15
MinatakuhitmanWilly: Perhaps us Gentoo users are safe from all this madness after all07:15
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hitmanWillywelcome to ubuntu where EVERYTHING is a module07:15
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klobsterso uuid is pulled directly from the drive, that is why it's better?07:16
Minatakuj/k, BTW ;307:16
MinatakuBetter off, maybe07:16
intelikeyuuid is pulled from the fs07:16
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klobsterso what is the diff between using uuid and /dev07:17
MinatakuUUID the kernel has to read the fs and grab the UUID07:17
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intelikeyformat an fs you changed the uuid    /dev/blah refers dirrectly to the paece of hardware +/- the partition number07:17
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MinatakuDamn it07:18
MinatakuI'm just a stubborn old man, despite being only 2207:18
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intelikeyme too despite being,,,, lets not go there...07:19
klobsterso how is that different from /dev/disk/by-label/FOO07:19
intelikeyi'm really not familear with that but i haven't addressed it either.07:20
MinatakuOh, those labels07:20
MinatakuSorry, I was thinking another kind07:20
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MinatakuWhere a particular drive/partition/fs was given a name elsewhere then referred to by said name07:21
MinatakuWhich I always thought was very messy and generally poor practice07:21
klobsterwendy's (and nintendo wii) has a hilarious new commercial07:21
intelikeyregaurdless.  the issue with any /dev/*  and ubuntu is that the initramfs image has to mount the root fs before the fstab is read anyway.07:21
klobsterminataku: oh yeah that way, LABEL="FOO", no that is bad form07:21
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intelikeyextreemly bad form07:22
intelikeyi say.07:22
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klobsterI found /dev/disk/by-label/FOO to be a mnemonically frindly uuid method07:24
intelikeyit's not uuid07:24
klobsterintelikey: but it basically is, it's stored the same, and it is erased on format07:25
intelikeyand i hardly see how any code can be "forced" upon us... this is linux, if you don't like it fix it.07:25
klobsterplus if you are setting up mass installs, it's one less line to edit07:25
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intelikeyklobster noted07:26
klobstersorry, this got off topic.  I should stop07:26
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intelikeyls /dev/ | wc -l07:27
riflehola a todos07:27
intelikey!es | rifle07:27
uboturifle: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.07:27
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klobsterok, so runnin grub-install --root-directory=/mnt  /dev/sda will do what, exactly?07:27
intelikeyklobster reinstall grub07:28
klobsterto where?07:28
intelikeyto the MBR where it was07:28
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klobsterah, that is why you said sda, and not sda107:29
intelikeybut you noted that you changed  /mnt  to /something07:29
klobsteryeah, cut n paste from the log07:29
intelikeyklobster yes that's why07:29
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SillyZanyone know a good systemwide backup solution for ubunut/kubuntu/linux ?07:31
ubotuThere are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning07:32
klobsterso if I specify my boot partition (sda1) it should install to sda1's superblock?07:32
intelikeyklobster yes,  and fail to boot   unless you are using another boot loader or can make sda1 boot.07:32
klobsterintelikey I'm covered there.07:33
DaSkreechok bed07:33
klobsterintelikey just wanted to make sure it wasn't expecting an Mbr and wipe out my boot part07:33
intelikeynot actually "superblock" "boot record"07:33
intelikeyif it did write to the superblock the fs would be hosed07:34
intelikeynot unrecoverably but hosed none the less07:34
intelikeyDaSkreech  chair07:35
DaSkreechI see your chair and raise you a hammock07:35
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intelikeytoo rich for my blood07:35
intelikeyerr  fold -s07:36
intelikeyerr  fold -sw 4007:36
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klobsterintelikey: so (let's pretend this was my properly mounted system) I grub-install --root-directory=/ /boot ?07:37
intelikeyno not /boot  that will fail.  /dev/sda107:37
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pawitpIs there anyway to batch rename files like in XP?07:39
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intelikeyi hope not.07:39
klobsterroot dir is "mount point" and install is to "device to be mounted?"07:39
intelikey install is to "device to be 'booted'"07:39
klobsterintelikey: I think he means is there a better way than xp's batch rename...07:40
intelikeybios must read in grub  then grub must use bios to read in what ever it calls07:40
klobsterintelikey: I gotcha,   maybe that does make sense.07:40
intelikeyklobster but the --* would be useless if the root was /07:41
intelikeyi.e.   sudo grub-install /dev/blah07:41
klobsterright because it would default to /07:41
intelikeyroot is root is root is root is root07:42
intelikeyexcept on my system of course07:42
klobsterhow so?07:43
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intelikey?  / = /   ???07:43
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intelikeyor the exception part ?07:43
intelikeyexception.   rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)07:44
klobsteruhh...  pretty sure I got that / =~ /07:44
intelikeyhow many system have type rootfs /  ???07:44
klobsterdiskless workstations?07:46
intelikeyklobster you almost guessed it didn't you07:47
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klobsteris it a ramdisk?07:49
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klobsteris it one of those fake drives where you can install sticks of sdram?07:51
klobsteror just right off the board?07:51
intelikeysimple cheep07:51
intelikeycrude but affective07:51
klobsterthats either a really fast system or a super slow system07:52
klobsterdepending on how much memory you allocate for function07:52
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intelikeyit works,  it's nothing to write home about07:52
klobsterwhy the low end gear?07:52
intelikeybut for a p2 class machine i like07:53
intelikeyMem usage: 9/250 MB (3%)07:53
intelikeynot much running text editor irc client and a web browser   atm07:54
klobsternice.  so do you have to define your memory space before you boot?  or do you just create a swap space?07:54
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intelikeyklobster it's all in initramfs,  pretty nice for what i do07:55
intelikeyand don't ask.07:55
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klobsterdoes it compile extra fast?07:55
intelikeyextra slow maybe...07:56
intelikeythree hours to build the kernel07:56
klobsterintelikey I already know what you do. you make brilliant forgeries of ascii art pictures07:56
intelikeyman!   he found me out !07:57
restagnerlAnybody out there know how to set up a VPN connection using KNetwokManager?07:57
intelikey!i sorry07:57
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about i sorry - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:57
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klobsterintelikey: would running grub-install affect my fstab?07:58
intelikeymight the /boot/grub/menu.lst  but not anything in /etc07:59
klobstersomehow my fstab is the default "clean" one07:59
intelikeysounds like your'e looking at the live CD's /etc08:00
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klobster /pacman/etc08:00
klobstermaybe this is why it died...08:01
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intelikeymaybe  but it's shouldn't be.   the system should boot without an /etc/fstab at all08:01
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intelikeyofcourse the initscripts might burp out some errors and drop you in a root console for fsck'ing .....  but it should still boot.08:02
intelikeyundescribably differance in  non-booting and booting with/without errors08:03
klobsteryeah.  hmmm....  it' not gonna be enough to fix this, I need to nail down the issue.  but for now, I better just get it running.  i'm out, for a reboot08:04
intelikeyi'll go hide while you're gone  :)08:04
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klobsterjust cattin files beforehand08:07
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intelikeywell it was fun while it lasted.   but the quarry has moved.   i'll have to follow.08:07
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intelikeyok found him.  later guys08:08
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lycus_seteshHow can I change the "feel" of KDE, say, from Apple to Windows? I set KDE to use Mac OS X08:17
lycus_seteshfeel, but in other desktop environments, the menubar interferes08:17
tbtrojalycus_setesh: I don't really understand what you're asking..08:18
lycus_seteshtbtroja: When you first run KDE, it asks you what sort of behavior you want it to emulate, ie, Apple, Windows, etc.08:18
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tbtrojalycus_setesh: oh, hold on a second and I'll try to find the command to run that again if no one knows it already.08:19
lycus_seteshAnd right now it emulates OS X behavior, so individual QT apps all have a unified menubar.08:19
tbtrojalycus_setesh: well there's an easy way to change the menubar at the top: go to the KDE menu, click System Settings, click Desktop, and go to the Behaviour section, now you should see a "Menu Bar at Top of Screen" section of that and you can change it to what you like.08:20
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lycus_seteshah, there we go... ty, tbtroja08:21
tbtrojalycus_setesh: not a problem.08:21
tbtrojaI suggest rummaging through the System Settings yourself to get everything just how you want it.08:22
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angelhello world08:22
lycus_seteshtbtroja: I actually don't use KDE anymore, I just installed it to try it out. ;-)08:23
angelis there somebody there ?08:23
angellycus_setesh ?08:23
tbtrojaangel: yes, :P08:23
angelCould you tell me what is Samba exactly ? Oo08:24
tbtrojaThat can better than anyone else :P08:24
angeloke thank's lol08:25
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tbtroja(Basically allows non-Windows machines to access Windows computers via network)08:25
tbtroja(For servers such as file, print, web, &c.)08:25
angelthe best way to understand is to try ^^08:27
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angelname of the package = samba ? :p08:28
sivajii  *cant* resize /dev/hd3 which is mounted at /  ?08:28
angelyep ^^08:28
sivajii wnat to resize that ple help me08:29
tbtrojaangel: samba, yeah, there's other stuff samba-related you can install too if you like, a nice "sudo apt-cache search samba" always come in handy.08:29
lycus_seteshsamba and smbfs are the essentials for communicating with windows/non-*nix machines.08:30
tbtrojaangel: but once samba is installed you should be able to access samba shares right from Konqueror.08:30
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angeltbtroja it appear that I can't access to Windows files because of a firewall :S08:32
tbtrojaYour firewall or theirs?08:33
angeltheirs ?08:33
angelthe firewall on my Windows partition08:33
tbtroja(machine you're on right now or the Window machine's)08:33
tbtrojaOh, I don't know anything about Windows partitions.. :|08:34
angel(I've got the 2 operating systems on this machine)08:34
angeloke lol08:34
tbtrojaI didn't think you'd be able to access the Windows files via Samba unless they're both up and running.08:34
angelmmh you must be right08:35
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tbtrojaYou may be able to manually mount the Windows partition on your Kubuntu install though.08:35
angelyeah that's done08:36
parsekhow do you install acrobat reader and mozilla plugin?08:36
angelbut I can't access to my Linux files from Windows =/08:36
tbtrojaangel: but you can access your Windows files from Linux?08:36
tbtrojaangel: hm, well, my guess would be that you would have to add a Network Place or something in your Windows partition linking to your Linux one that you want, I really don't know much about Windows though :P08:37
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angellol oke no problem thank's for all =)08:38
tbtrojaangel: no problem.08:38
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angelI must leave you now ; I come back in a few ;)08:38
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lolopopI am n00b but the Alternate CD install is plain crap08:39
lolopopLVM set up is slowz as hell08:39
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erichjsummer time sucks because then all the kids invade IRC08:39
darksoul_anyone any idea how to install flsh java for fireforx in amd64 kubuntu?08:40
erichjdarksoul_: its a pain. it involves installing 32bit firefox08:40
tbtrojalolopop: the alternate CD is designed for "special" install cases, not just run-of-the-mill desktop/server installs.08:40
erichjdarksoul_: chec the wiki08:40
parsekdoes anyone know how to install acrobat reader and its plugin08:41
darksoul_erichj gimme the link pls08:41
tbtrojaerichj: I see what you mean, heh.08:42
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erichjtbtroja: yeah it's not fun08:42
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lolopopand won't recognize root logical volume as root the retard08:42
tbtrojaWell, as long as people are respectful I'll do my best to help.08:43
erichjtbtroja: i try08:43
erichjtbtroja: anymore i have to pinch myself not to say something08:43
tbtrojaerichj: haha08:44
lolopopyo I am trying LVM08:44
lolopopthere should be a pure CLI way of installing Kubuntu08:44
lolopopyou where you got real interaction with fdisk and other programs instead of bizzarre constrained text based crap08:44
lolopopOMG!!!111 whyyyyy it takes for ever to set up ONE logical volume??!!08:44
tbtrojalolopop: it's called the server installation CD.08:44
ManiDhillondarksoul_  Hello brother! I managed to install wine!08:44
tbtrojalolopop: and calm down, we don't need any casualties.08:45
erichjManiDhillon: if i was harrassing you earlier i apologise08:45
lolopophey is there a way to mount all the partition in the LiveCD and mount all the LVM stuff so when the dumb install starts will see them as is?08:45
lolopoptbtroja: in the intro?08:45
ManiDhillonerichj No need for Srry! I changed my password>08:45
tbtrojalolopop: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download   --  Make sure to select the SERVER part instead of DESKTOP...08:46
lolopoptbtroja: but will I be able then to install KDE and all that stuff?08:47
lolopopI have the ALTERNATE install CD08:47
lolopopis that one you mean?08:47
tbtrojalolopop: yes, you can install whatever you need, but KDE won't be installed by default.08:47
tbtrojalolopop: if that's giving you trouble, try the server edition.08:47
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lolopoptbtroja: ok I know that08:48
lolopopthat don't matter08:48
erichjthat's what i was thinking08:48
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lolopoptbtroja: what about mounting everything beforehand  in the LiveCD?08:49
lolopopthen the install program will see logical volumes as normal08:49
lolopopwould that be a workaround?08:49
erichjyou use gparted and manually set partitions08:49
darksoul_ManiDhillon nice :)08:49
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tbtrojalolopop: I don't know what you're asking.  If you're asking about partitions, then you do that on the CD when you install.08:50
ManiDhillondarksoul_ Today i was  victim of password theft but it was my mistake!08:50
erichjlolopop: remember everything runs from ram with live cd, so you can alter the disk with no problems08:50
lolopoptbtroja: but the install I don't think recognizes logical volumes08:50
tbtrojalolopop: yes it does.08:50
lolopopoh it does? hot!08:51
darksoul_ManiDhillon O_o!! how come?08:51
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erichjbecause i can be a di**08:52
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ManiDhillondarksoul_  Did you ever installed KDE from Adapet Manager?08:52
lolopop"no root fylesystem is defined"08:53
ManiDhillonDid anyone ever installed KDE from Adapet Manager?08:53
erichjlolopop: you should define it08:53
tbtrojalolopop: make sure to mount one of the partitions to '/'08:53
erichj / ext3 fs08:54
darksoul_ManiDhillon yes08:54
xcibplease anybody can show me the spanish kubuntu channel08:54
ubotuSi busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.08:54
tbtrojalolopop: I do have one question though, why aren't you just installing Kubuntu via the Kubuntu LiveCD?08:54
xciberichj: thank you very much08:54
erichjxcib: welcome08:54
ManiDhillondarksoul_  How big is the file? I mean size in MB if you remember?08:54
lolopop'cause it says it doesn't do LVM08:55
erichjisn't LVM large volume?08:55
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erichjnot logical volume08:55
xciberichj:  i could ask here but...my enlgish is poor08:55
darksoul_ManiDhillon really don't remember08:55
tbtrojaxcib: if you don't find help in Spanish channels, feel free to ask here, we'll help as best as we can :] 08:56
ManiDhillondarksoul_  Don't worry then, i want to install it but you know i don't have broadband. I'm using net through Mobile GPRS.08:57
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erichjManiDhillon: it's around 170mb i think for the kubuntu-desktop08:57
xcibtbtroja:  thanks ^^08:57
ManiDhillonerichj 170 MB! Oh my god thats impossible for me to download!08:58
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erichji downloaded feisty the day it came out using my palm treo 700wx as a modem while i was in St. Louis but i was connected to sprint power vision so i was getting about 133KB/s09:00
lolopopI am stuck09:00
lolopopsays I don't have root partition and I do in LVM09:00
lolopopit doesn't allow me to proceed09:00
lolopopI need moral support09:01
tbtrojalolopop: installation is so much easier in the Kubuntu LiveCD, I'm sure it will explain things to you a lot easier than they do currently.09:01
xcibtbtroja:  well in the spanish channel couldnt solve my problem, and here we go09:01
lolopopok let me see09:01
xcibtbtroja:  this is my problem09:01
xcibtbtroja:  The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.09:01
ManiDhillonerichj 133 KB/s is much better, i'm only getting 5 KB/s lol! And for it i pay 20 bucks a day!09:02
erichjManiDhillon: i don't pay for broadband. i live across the street from my company embarq, so i just ride on their wireless from my house. 30Mb/s09:02
tbtrojaxcib: I assume you tried running both of those commands?09:02
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xcibtbtroja:  yes09:02
tbtrojaxcib: have you looked at your /etc/apt/sources.list to make sure that everything is correct?09:03
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erichjworking for the phone company has it's perks09:03
xcibtbtroja:  im going to check,09:03
ManiDhillonerichj Youare lucky enough. In my village only i'm using internet and thats via my Nokia 6230i cell phone.09:03
tbtrojaerichj: that must kill you paying for gas on that comute.09:04
erichjtbtroja: yeah it's horrible.09:04
xcibtbtroja:  what i have to do in this folder09:04
tbtrojaxcib: do you know anything about the sources.list file, how it should look, etc.?09:05
xcibtbtroja:  no i dont09:05
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xcibtbtroja:  is the first time i use linux...lol09:05
tbtrojaxcib: okay, not a problem.09:05
tbtrojaxcib: I want you to go here:  http://pastebin.ca/upload.php   --  and upload the /etc/apt/sources.list file and paste the link in here.09:06
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ManiDhillonWhere can i find some extensions for K3B to enhance its functionality?09:08
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xcibtbtroja:  i hope i did well...http://pastebin.ca/56948409:08
premier_ManiDhillon: theres usually a lot of stuff at kde-apps.org and kde-look.org09:08
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premier_ManiDhillon: that site is a little addictive09:08
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premier_does kubuntu have compiz/beryl by default with a stock feisty install... with fglrx?09:09
ManiDhillonpremier_ i'll chechk it bro!09:09
tbtrojaxcib: when do you get that error that you posted earlier?  What command are you trying to run?09:09
ManiDhillonKubuntu should have a good offline installation method for programs.09:10
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premier_ManiDhillon: offline?09:10
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premier_ManiDhillon: how long have you been using linux?09:11
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ManiDhillonI mean like we install in windows from CDs etc.09:11
xcibtbtroja:  the two command that shows in the error and >sudo apt-get clean, and sudo apt-get autoclean09:11
ManiDhillonpremier_ You can say from 4 months! I tried many distros but liked only Kubuntu.09:11
premier_ManiDhillon: are you familiar with apt-get and its gui frontends like adept and synaptic?09:13
tbtrojaxcib: try running the following: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get autoremove09:13
premier_ManiDhillon: in the open source world, you download everything you need for free online... and apt-get is able to intellegently install what you tell it to with no fuss09:13
premier_ManiDhillon: its genius09:13
tbtrojaxcib: I know it's long, but try pasting that into a terminal and executing it and see what happens.09:13
premier_linux's best feature, no joke09:13
tbtrojapremier_: I second that, heh.09:13
premier_ManiDhillon: basically, go to a command line and type "sudo apt-get install inkscape" and it will find and install inkscape, and then it will appear in your kde menu... no fuss!09:13
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ManiDhillonpremier_ Yeah i know i know, I've installed almost everything i need. But it need a internet connection and that is the thing that people are away from Linux.09:14
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premier_lol: /dev/sdb1            size: 274G used: 260G  575M 100% /media/Compy209:15
premier_260 is not 100% of 27409:15
tbtrojaManiDhillon: you can download and burn packages to a CD to install later... But no, CDs aren't normally distributed with Linux software on them, unless you order the CDs, like Firefox, etc.09:15
Jucatopremier_, ManiDhillon: actually apt is very flexible. you can download/install from a different source other than an online repository.09:15
llutzpremier_: it is 100% of 274 - "for-root-reserved-space"09:16
xcibtbtroja:  well no results...09:16
tbtrojaxcib: same error?09:16
xcibtbtroja:  im going to translate the error in to english give me a sec09:16
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tbtrojaxcib: okay.09:16
tbtrojaxcib: I'll be back in a little bit, I have to go for a minue, but feel free to message me the translated error so I see it.09:17
premier_llutz: is that 274 actually being used?  cause I kinda need it...09:17
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xcibLeyendo lista de paquetes... Error!>Reading  package list...Error!09:17
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ManiDhillontbtroja I've now installed every thing, how i can burn them to a cd or dvd? I mean if i had o install kubuntu on some other system with same things tgat i have?09:18
premier_take a look at this: http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=howmd9.png09:18
xcibtbtroja: Leyendo lista de paquetes... Error!>Reading  package list...Error!09:18
flakecould i were to add an ide harddrive to my system, would i format it as ext309:18
flakecould = if, major typo there09:18
premier_did I mispell something?  notice that I could not killall knetworkmanager, but it appears plain as day in task manager09:18
insmod<flake>can -- or any other09:18
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steve_i have a question about installing a package09:19
usamahashimihello everyone!09:20
ManiDhillonAnyone using KMobile Tool? If yes then tell me how to connect my Nokia 6230i thru it?09:20
llutzpremier_: "sudo killall knetworkmanager" you can set the amount of reserved space with tune2fs -m  on ext2/3.09:20
usamahashimihow can i change the shortcut key for ksnapshot?09:20
Jucatousamahashimi: System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Input Actions09:21
lolopophow ironic, Gentoo is supposed to be more comlex yet LVM installation is a breez, Ubuntu is supposed to be average-joe friendly yet LVM is extremely hard to set up o.O09:21
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llutzlolopop: i think LVM is not what average *ubuntu-joe uses ;)09:22
Jucatosteve_: just ask your question09:22
flakeask away steve_, you don't have to say you have a question just ask09:22
steve_im trying to install pidgin, and im not entirely sure whats going wrong with it09:23
usamahashimiJucato: thanks, lemme check09:23
steve_its complaining about dependencies i think09:23
Jucatousamahashimi: my bad. it's in System Settings -> Accessibility -> Input Actions09:23
Jucatothere's a ksnapshot entry there09:23
lolopopllutz: if I am able to set this up, for real I deserve a PHD for being able to solve it09:24
usamahashimiJucato: :)09:24
lolopopwho said the intsaller detects LVM?09:26
steve_does the fact that im running AMD64 matter?09:26
lolopophey I've got an idea if I mount them in /mount will the installer recognize them?09:26
lolopopdoes the installer recognize mounted stuff?09:27
usamahashimiJucato: thanks a lot09:27
flakerunning 64-bit os?09:27
Jucatousamahashimi: no problem09:27
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lolopopoh got it!!!09:28
lolopopmodprobe, vgchange -a y and voila!!09:28
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steve_let me see just how many times the error comes up09:29
lolopopWTF!!! no lvm package?09:29
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steve_got about 9 errors, various libs as well as "pidgin-data"09:30
steve_if i install the listed packages here, will Pidgin work?09:30
flakecan you try to do sudo apt-get install  'missing library'  ?09:30
steve_thats the syntax for it?  (sorry, not used to this command line at all)09:31
flakedon't want to tell you wrong, but when I installed a make environment, I was missing alot of libs and had to install them, but i'm on 32-bit os09:31
steve_and -? doesnt always show me anything09:31
waylandbillsteve_: you can do a 'man apt-get' for more info.09:32
llutzsteve_: sudo apt-get -f install09:32
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flakesudo apt-get install nameofmissinglib09:32
flakewhy the -f09:33
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llutzsteve_: sudo apt-get -f install   repairs broken dpendencies09:33
llutzflake: ^^09:33
flakeaahh, i just did a man of that, sorry09:33
llutzflake: it's easier than typing all missing packages by hand ;)09:34
waylandbillif he tried to install pidgin, it should've wanted to grab the dependencies. It may be that something is not available. steve_, what's the error say? not available?09:34
steve_well, ill use one of them09:38
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lolopopoh my god09:38
steve_unless ctrl-c and ctrl-insert dont copy from terminal...guess ill type it out09:38
steve_pidgin depends on pidgin-data (>= 2.0.1); however:09:38
steve_Package pidgin-data is not installed09:38
xcibtbtroja:  im going in 5 minutes ill be waiting for you09:38
flakesteve_ you can hit the tab key and it's like an autocomplete09:38
waylandbillI don't find a package pidgin.09:38
steve_me either09:38
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steve_says invalid operation09:38
waylandbill!info pidgin09:38
ubotuPackage pidgin does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas09:38
tbtrojaxcib, I'm sorry but I really don't know how to help..  Possibly try searching Google with your EXACT error message (the Spanish one is fine) and look to see if anyone else has encountered this and how they fixed it.09:38
flakethey have a website with instructions on how to install it09:38
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tbtrojasteve_: if you want to copy from terminal select and middle-click to paste.09:38
lolopophow can this be09:38
steve_and the website?09:38
waylandbillsteve_: why not just install gaim?09:38
steve_well, it is gaim as i understand it09:39
steve_just not called gaim anymore09:39
waylandbillright, but gaim is in the repos.09:39
steve_that was the sound of that going over my head09:39
steve_sorry, keep it dumb for me please09:40
flakesudo apt-get install gaim09:40
waylandbillit's in the universe repository.09:40
flakeor run synaptic from the menu09:40
steve_yeah, ive managed to configure that already09:41
steve_i saw repos and thought, repossess, what?09:41
steve_ok, i follow now09:41
steve_question; if i can do that stuff, can i just install the missing dependencies listed in the console?09:42
flakewhat are you missing09:43
waylandbilllolopop: there's an lvm package. lvm2.09:43
waylandbillsteve_: if you have the dependencies available. I don't know how you have pidgin even available, since it's not in the official repos.09:44
steve_libavahi-compat-howl0, libc6 ver 2.5.5, libgtkspell0, libnss3-0d, libpango1.0-0, libperl5.8, etc09:44
steve_let me get the URL i got it off of09:44
flakethe source code?09:45
steve_nope, its a .deb package09:45
waylandbillbut that's for debian.09:45
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steve_ok, that would matter09:45
sxcibtbtroja:  im here again09:45
waylandbillof course that would matter. :-D09:46
llutzsteve_: that's debian-sid, better use gaim or try to get a package from getdeb09:46
tbtrojasxcib, I'm sorry but I really don't know how to help..  Possibly try searching Google with your EXACT error message (the Spanish one is fine) and look to see if anyone else has encountered this and how they fixed it.09:46
lolopopa CD with 700MB without the simple LVM?09:46
lolopopso there's absolutely no work around this time09:46
lolopopcan I install a package in the LiveCD?09:46
lolopopthat would help09:46
llutzlolopop: iirc the alternate-cd supports lvm09:47
akrus`Awaydoes someone know how to kill user currently connected to ssh?09:47
akrus`Awaywhich's using not root09:47
akrus`Awayand i'm root09:47
sxcibtbtroja:  i know whats the problem09:47
waylandbillsteve_: if it is really that important to have pidgin, build it from the website's downloadable source code. Otherwise, just install gaim.09:48
sxcibtbtroja:  when i boot the kubuntu there is a message to install apt but i don know what command i have to write09:48
llutzsteve_: http://www.getdeb.net/search.php?keywords=pidgin09:48
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lolopopplease I am at loss, what can I do to get LVM up and running?09:48
lolopopthat's all I am axing!!09:48
lolopopit tells me that I don't have ROOT and I do have the damn root in LVM09:48
llutzakrus`Away: kill its login-shell09:48
akrus`Awayhow? :)09:49
steve_all right, thanks anyway09:49
steve_ill figure out how exactly thats supposed to work09:49
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llutzakrus`Away: find the pid with "who" and "ps", then "kill <pid>"09:49
lolopopand this is in the LVM partition09:49
lolopopI mean the LVM installation09:49
satemplerhas any one noticed that w32codecs are not needed any more09:49
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satemplerwell for wmv wma playback09:50
lolopopwaylandbill: can I install in the live CD?09:50
lolopopI am at the initial installation step09:51
lolopopis it possible to install in the LiveCD?09:51
lolopopomg that doesn't work properly either09:51
lolopopthat has a dumbed down version of lvm09:51
sxcibtbtroja:  when i boot the kubuntu there is a message to install apt but i don know what command i have to write09:51
tbtrojasxcib: what's the message?09:51
starsky51can anyone tell me the command in konversation to autocomplete a nickname?09:51
lolopopit doesn't recognize root in lvm09:51
satemplerlibxine1-plugins and libxine-extracodecs will do the job without w32codecs09:51
tbtrojastarsky51: start typing the name and hit tab.09:51
sxcibtbtroja:  i dont know exactly but saids that i have to install apt because is not installed09:51
tbtrojasxcib: Odd :\09:52
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starsky51oh yeah! thanks09:52
waylandbilllolopop: you won't have root, but you have sudo available.09:53
sxcibtbtroja:  see ya09:54
tbtrojasxcib: bye, I hope you get it fixed :\09:54
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lolopopno I am saying that Alternate install won't got further after I set my Logical Volumes telling me that I have to se / i.e. root09:54
lolopopwhen I clearly created in a logical volume09:55
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tbtrojaWhat the -- why do I have TWO scrollbars in Konqueror when I go to http://tbtroja.wordpress.com ?09:56
lolopoplogical volumes are in extended mode?09:56
lolopopor can I have it as primary normal partition?09:56
evsophomore2009k guys, i just downloaded the new version of Kubutnu, whats the difference between my old (edgy 6.10) and (Feisty Fawn 7.04)09:56
evsophomore2009i honestly dont see a difference other than the font...and clock09:57
tbtrojaMust have been the theme..09:59
darksoul_i used wine to install real player now how do i remove it?09:59
Jucatoevsophomore2009: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.04-release.php09:59
waylandbillevsophomore2009: never versions of the packages. Look at kubuntu's page on distrowatch. It lists some packages such as kdebase being 3.5.6 as opposed to
Jucatoevsophomore2009: you might want to also take a look on some of the alpha/beta pages for Feisty Fawn in http://kubuntu.org10:00
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Jucatoother changes are in those pages10:00
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waylandbillhi Jucato10:02
Jucatohi waylandbill10:02
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Jucatohm.. headaches... how nice10:03
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starsky51darksoul_: check the Lost and Found menu for an Uninstaller10:04
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starsky51otherwise go to ~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/  go into the realplayer folder and execute the uninstall exe from there10:05
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dusubuhi all.. can any one assist me in installing ubuntu plz10:06
dusubuanybody there?10:07
tbtrojadusubu: Ubuntu or Kubuntu?10:07
starsky51what problems are you having dusubu10:07
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rathelHello, I switched from XP to Kubuntu today, and Firefox seems really slow especially on sites like myspace and others. How can I speed things up? thanks10:08
tbtrojadusubu: you want #ubuntu instead of #kubuntu then10:08
tbtrojarathel: try the FasterFox extension for Firefox.10:08
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dusubui got a live cd of latest ubuntu.. everything is working perfect. except the video and the audio part and my network tho it shows connected its not downloading10:09
dusubuok thanks.. i will try in #ubuntu channel10:09
ratheltbtroja: Yeah I have that installed, it helped a little but it's still really slow.10:09
tbtrojarathel: maybe try the KDE browser, Konqueror.10:10
ratheltbtroja: Maybe I'll start using it on the slower sites, I still perfer firefox though.10:12
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tbtrojarathel: yeah, it's too bad there isn't a FirefoKs or anything, heh.10:12
ratheltbtroja: FirefoKs?10:13
tbtrojarathel: I was just saying a KDE/Qt implementation of Firefox.10:13
ratheltbtroja: Ah Gotcha.10:13
tbtroja(I wish they had one)10:13
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about vdr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi10:14
premier_is qtparted still inferior to gparted?10:14
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premier_the kubuntu liveCD seems to come with qtparted10:15
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fdovingpremier_: yes, it still is.10:18
ubotuMythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV10:18
darksoul_realplay- i downloaded this how do i install it?10:18
premier_fdoving: why does feisty kubuntu ship with it?  Why not gparted?  and also, whats the real difference?  is gparted more reliable?10:19
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erichjgparted is a gtk app10:20
fdovingpremier_: shipping gparted makes a whole bunch of new depends, so it's not possible without leaving out alot of other stuff. the real difference is that gparted is actively developed and gets new features etc.10:20
starsky51darksoul_: right click the file and go into the properties. click the permissions tab and tick 'is executable'10:20
starsky51then you can double click to execute10:20
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premier_fdoving: should I be able to install (apt-get) ubuntu desktop after the fact?  In feisty, that didn't work... gnome all but crashed on boot10:22
starsky51darksoul_: realplayer 10.0.8 is in the repos anyway. you can install it via the 'Add/Remove Programs' link10:22
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erichjpremier_: yes10:22
waylandbilldoesn't matter that it's not in kubuntu. the gparted liveCD is only 50mb.10:22
premier_waylandbill: its more that I just have to down boot and ladeda...10:23
darksoul_starsky51 i cannot find it through the add/remove10:23
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erichjyou mind need to enable the universe rep10:24
waylandbillpremier_: qtparted will do then.10:24
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats10:24
sivaji!info realplayer10:24
ubotuPackage realplayer does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas10:24
darksoul_erichj how to i enable universe rep10:25
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu10:25
erichjwaylandbill: thanks10:25
premier_on gparted, how do I specify names for the new hard drives?10:26
starsky51oh sorry.. i didn't realise10:26
premier_is that possible?10:26
premier_partitions, I mean10:26
starsky51darksoul_: sorry, i was wrong it isn't in the repos10:27
waylandbillpremier_: you mean like hda1 and such?10:27
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premier_waylandbill: no, like I named my external hard drive "Compy2"... I want to give my internal hard drive partitions names so I can easily identify them10:28
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waylandbillpremier_: oh, like a volume name. I don't think so, but I've never really tried. I identify what the partition is by where I mount it.10:30
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premier_waylandbill: I know I can do that after the fact10:31
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waylandbillpremier_: if you have a plan of what your partitions are going to hold, it shouldn't be too hard to remember which is which. Use a pencil and paper if needed. ;-)10:32
starsky51darksoul_: so back to the bin file. set the 'is executable' flag, open up a konsole window, drag the bin file into the konsole window, press enter and follow the instructions10:33
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Alarmhello, is there a player so that i can broadcast music to a server so that it can forward the broadcasting to users ?10:36
Alarmwhat i am interest actually is how to broadcast songs that are played on my local computer to a server10:36
sivaji!samba | Alarm10:37
ubotuAlarm: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT10:37
Alarmsamba ?10:37
Alarmwhat has samba to do with ?10:37
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starsky51Alarm: i've not used it but you might want to look up icecast10:40
starsky51it's in the repos10:40
Alarmicecast and vlc is what i want10:41
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sivajiis there any dictionary package ?10:43
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dictionary - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi10:45
jujimufudoes anybody else have problems with beryl?10:46
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jujimufuI upgraded yesterday to the latest version, but it seems to be problematic10:46
sivajijujimufu #beryl10:46
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jujimufusivaji: thanks10:46
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starsky51sivaji: the dictionary can be found in the utilities menu. I think the package is called kdict10:49
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jujimufuI accidentally upgraded to beryl 0.3 from 3v1's repos. I've removed (commented) these repos at sources.list now, but I want to know how to return to the previous version of beryl. sudo apt-get upgrade won't do it (it won't find any new beryl packages, and it's logical as 0.3 is later than the version in the repos, probably)10:52
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sj24hey my headphone doesnt mute the speakers.......can someone pls help?11:01
sj24i dont even hav the switch tab in kmix11:01
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darksoul_if i have false update packages that create errors at installing how do i remove them?11:08
ContrastGreets, everyone...11:08
ContrastAre there any KXMame users in here?11:09
Contrastdarksoul_: Do you use Adept or Synaptic?11:09
binksdoes anyone use vdr or a dvb- card if so how do i get it working11:09
darksoul_Contrast Adept11:10
Contrastdarksoul_: Not sure then. I know in Synaptic you can lock packages to a certain version.11:10
Contrastdarksoul_: You might try googling around for a guide to Apt-pinning11:11
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ContrastI haven't taken the time to figure it out yet. :-\11:11
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ContrastBut basically, I think you just set up a preferences file in /etc/apt that tells Apt to keep locked to a certain version based on the repository they're from.11:12
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Contrastdarksoul_: Here you go - http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html11:13
darksoul_Cantrast the thing is i tried to install through adept the java updates but they failed on installing11:13
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darksoul_so every time i try to install something it fails11:13
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waylandbillaptitude is a good way to keep packages held. it's gui has a learning curve, but a good app none the less.11:15
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Jucatodarksoul_: what version of Kubuntu are you running?11:16
darksoul_7.04 feisty11:16
Jucatoand have you tried updating using apt-get or aptitude in the command line?11:16
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darksoul_Jucato from command line it works11:24
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darksoul_no i did not try aptitude11:25
darksoul_how do i move one thing from desktop to /home/darksoul/ ?11:27
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ReMiiRuruWhat is the best application for DVD burning?11:28
ReMiiRuruFor ubuntu11:28
mo0osahhow do you install all the dependencies automatically?11:28
ReMiiRuruIs it in repos?11:29
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Jucato!info k3b11:29
ContrastK3b. Nero's garbage on Linux. ;-)11:29
ubotuk3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 4912 kB, installed size 9404 kB11:29
JucatoReMiiRuru: use k3b11:29
magihi, does anyone know how to convert APE to FLAC for my MP3 player?11:29
ReMiiRuruThanks :)11:29
magithanks a lot!11:29
Jucatodarksoul_: the desktop is actually a folder in /home/darksoul/Desktop11:30
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blekoshi is there a way to find the biggest folder in size in my partition?11:31
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darksoul_Jucato yes but i do not want it on my desktop11:32
darksoul_i want it in /home/darksoul11:32
Jucatodarksoul_: er... so move it... in Konqueror... go to /home/darksoul/Desktop/ and move the items to /home/darksoul/11:33
Jucatoor... you can just drag the item on the desktop to konqueror11:33
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darksoul_access denied or something11:34
Contrastdarksoul_: Open Konsole, then run "sudo chown yourname:yourname ~/Desktop/filename"11:35
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darksoul_brb reboot11:35
lolopoparghh!!! LVM!!11111:36
waylandbillblekos: use konqueror's file size view.11:36
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magiany reply?11:40
blekosok thnx11:40
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darksoul_damn i got a problem on my keyboard11:42
darksoul_i rebooted and the greek language on keyboard and on msn is not supported ? :S11:42
darksoul_on aMSN11:42
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darksoul_how can i remove a directory from terminal?11:46
waylandbilldarksoul_: rmdir11:47
waylandbillif directory is empty. rm -r will remove dir and files.11:47
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cntbanyone using windows printing thru cups on ubuntu ? on daily basis ? or familiar with issue11:53
cntbI have still an hpLJ 5 shared on cups for windows stations to print but have problems connecting to kubuntu cups printer11:54
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cntbIOW the windows connecting to that cups printer -part is missing, windows were re-installed11:55
ubotuPrinting in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows11:55
darksoul_i got a language error on aMSN anyone can help?11:55
cntbti kaneis darksoul_11:56
cntbme too having problems with aMSN in hebrew11:56
darksoul_cntp ekana apla restart kai twra ta blepw kinezika11:57
cntbfreenode.net/debian.gr  darksoul_ ?11:57
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DemonSamuraianyone can help me about aMSN?12:01
StErGi0sDemonSamurai: whats your problem?12:02
DemonSamuraiStErGi0s i restarted my pc and instead of Greek language i get something like chineese12:03
DemonSamuraiand the funny thing that i get that only on aMSN12:03
StErGi0syou are greek?12:03
StErGi0sme too :P12:03
StErGi0shave you got installed greek lang?12:04
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DemonSamuraiela sto #eleos12:05
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DemonSamuraiStErGi0s yes i got it installed12:06
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ManiDhillonhi all12:09
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kmail - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:09
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ManiDhillonMorning to all.12:10
ie hi.. anyone point me to simple instrcutions ow 2 install kde 412:10
ManiDhillonie sudo apt-get install KDE12:11
iethanks but trying to install kde 4?!12:11
ieversion 4  just to see what its like12:12
icecruncher'd like o know how to get gutsy12:12
jonneI think you would do something like "sudo apt-get install kde4*"12:12
icecruncherie: http://www.babygeek.org/installing-kde4-ubuntu-kubuntu12:13
ieicecruncher... im following instrcutions on kubuntu website but not sure what to do when it says These KDE 4 packages install to /usr/lib/kde4 so run:12:14
ieexport LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/lib12:14
ieexport KDEDIR=/usr/lib/kde412:14
ieexport PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:$PATH12:14
ieexport KDEHOME=~/.kde412:14
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icecruncherno idea12:14
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icecruncherie: cn you give me the link pls12:16
iesorry this one ... http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha1.php12:17
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ManiDhillonKDE 4 is in ALPHA release and is not stable. The stable KDE version is 3.5.712:19
iemsnidhillon. yep i realise that thks  but am interested in evaluating kde 412:20
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starsky51are there any live cds with the kde 4 alpha?12:30
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sebri'm looking for packages of older software, like java 1.4 and tomcat 412:43
sebranybody know where i can find them?12:43
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llp78has anyone got a work around for the intermitent "unable to shutdown" problem?. i click logout then shutdown, this runs the kubuntu splash screen - shuts down monitor but leaves pc still running?12:44
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llp78is this a kde bug or kubuntu?12:45
_4strOyop yop12:48
sebrllp78: i'm having a similar problem12:49
sebrwould love to know why12:49
_4strOllp78: never seen that before12:49
_4strOsebr llp78 : using XGL ?12:49
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_4strOllp78: and if you wait enough time, the PC finally shutdown ?12:51
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llp78_4strO: no hangs all day12:52
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llp78_4strO: just gonna try adding acpi=force to the kernel in menu.lst12:53
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llp78_4strO: lets see if this has fixxed it - brb12:54
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llp78the acpi=force appended to the kernel in menu.lst fixes the shutdown problem - i can confirm12:57
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fonsywhere is rom ubuntu franch?12:58
heroinhow can i set KDE to a kiosk like mode? all i want is for users to browse a list of movies and play them using VLC12:58
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fonsyubuntu franch?12:59
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fonsy /msg nickserv set fonsyy01:01
fonsy /msg nickserv set unfiltered on01:02
fonsy /msg nickserv set unfiltered on ok01:02
fonsyoh oh01:02
starsky51heroin: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/kiosk/index.html this describes a set of kiosk mode in kde (called kiosktool in the repos) and VLC has an option in preferences to always play videos in fullscreen mode01:03
fonsywhere is ubuntu.fr?01:03
pag!fr | fonsy01:03
ubotufonsy: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.01:03
fonsythan you01:04
fonsymerci meme01:04
heroinstarsky51: nice nice :) yah i want the downstairs LCD tv to be able to play all my media files01:05
heroinstarsky51: however knowing my family less options = more change of them being able to use it01:05
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heroinstarsky51: so i probally want to chroot a user to the dir with my media and disable ALL possible options exept play01:05
starsky51hehe.. i think i know that family!!01:05
heroinstarsky51: no delete, no move, no rename nothing exept play01:06
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TokraHi guys01:06
starsky51heroin: i see.. i don't think the kiosktool can do that but you seem to know what you're doing01:06
TokraI'm trying for almost three days to install my new Nvidia 8600GT card but so far without success01:07
Tokracould someone of you please help or at least give me some hint how to proceed01:08
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heroinstarsky51: urm.. u think just a group policy will be enough to handle things?01:09
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SillyZanyone know the option to open a program maximized instead of being a smaller window on the desktop, then having to maximize it ?01:12
starsky51heroin: makes sense. set up a new user and give it read access to one of the folders on your own home account01:12
JucatoSillyZ: right-click on the window title bar, Advanced -> Special Window Settings01:13
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SillyZthanks ill give that a try01:14
SillyZahhh works like a champ , thanks Jucato01:14
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TokraI'm trying for almost three days to install my new Nvidia 8600GT card but so far without success01:17
Tokracould someone of you please help or at least give me some hint how to proceed01:17
SillyZapt-get install nvidia-glx-new01:17
TokraI've already tried to install serval different driver with differen error messages at the end01:18
SillyZthen once installed do a01:18
JucatoTokra: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new linux-restricted-modules-generic01:18
JucatoTokra: sudo nvidia-xconfig01:18
SillyZitll generaate a generic X config based on your Nvidia card01:18
SillyZsame thing, just depends on what user you are at the time01:18
SillyZI belive nvidia-glx-new, has a dep on linux-restricted-mods-generic and will pull it at the same time01:19
SillyZif not already installed but ill look01:19
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TokraThanks I'll try that right now01:20
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JucatoSillyZ: better safe than sorry. if it already depends on it, then there's no harm explicitly installing it :)01:20
TokraOk done, I'll restart my Xserver and we'll see01:21
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SillyZnvidia-xconfig makes a backup automatically and saves it in /etc/X11/01:21
TokraJucato: of course I do :o)) I already had enugh bad experience01:22
Jucatohehe :)01:22
Tokracu soon01:22
SillyZIve got a GEForce-Go 7800 here, was all i had to do to my system, and WoW (World of Warcraft) runs killer01:22
SillyZfps at 104, with like 90ms latency01:22
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stanhey guys, does anyone use the online dictionary in kubuntu?01:26
stanis there any way to use more than just english dictionary?01:27
TokraHi guys, it didn't work01:27
stani mean like translate from german to english or something01:27
SillyZok next step then, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg01:28
SillyZselect the driver 'nvidia'01:28
sivajistan  stardict-english-czech01:28
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SillyZStan i can try, but itll be done thru like google or something01:28
TokraSillyZ: can I try this without shuting down my Xserver01:29
SillyZopen a terminal, and run it, then restart your xserver01:29
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sivajistan  "apt-cache search dictionary | grep -i dictionary" run this  u will get list of packages01:29
SillyZyou may have to go and do a nvidia-glx-enable once your done01:30
stansivaji: is there any way to add more later?01:30
sivajistan add what01:30
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stansivaji: additional dictionaries01:31
stanbecause it only uses english-english01:31
stanI also need like russian english, or german-english01:31
sivajistan i dont know01:31
TokraSillyZ: I've to restart the Xserver01:31
stanthnx anyway ;)01:31
Tokrabe back in a min01:31
sivajistan it is there u didnt run that command01:32
stansivaji, whoa... it gave me the whole list of something :D01:32
stansivaji: so how do I use it? :/01:33
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sivajistan  install which ever u need and use01:34
TokraSillyZ: it didn't work - Error message is that my driver version 10.14.09 is different then the kernel version01:35
stansivaji: I would love to but I dont know how to... Im a newbie...01:35
sivajistan i too01:35
stansivaji: maybe some simple instructions? if its not too much troube... plz...01:35
TokraSillyZ: do I have to uninstall the Nvidia driver ver 100.14.0901:35
stanso does anyone else know how to install those?01:36
sivajistan ask #ubuntu01:36
SillyZsorry was lookin for a cd01:36
heroinstan: u want dictonaries for the whole enviroment or only for openoffice?01:36
TokraSillyZ: it didn't work - Error message is that my driver version 10.14.09 is different then the kernel version01:36
SillyZwhat kinda machine is this Geforce in Torka? laptop  /  desktop?01:36
stanheroin: I need dictionaries to look up words01:36
TokraSillyZ: do I have to uninstall the Nvidia driver ver 100.14.09 and try again01:36
sivajiheroin he need that as a separate package01:37
SillyZaye apt-get install nvidia-glx01:37
angelis there anyone here who's able to help me with my microphone ???01:37
heroinstan: u wish to use the dictonary function ? well iam using fluxbox but i suggest u man dictonary(or whatever the app is called) and check www.wiki.ubuntu.com aswell as the forums01:38
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Tokrano selfmade01:38
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stanheroin: thanks, Ill take a look now then... ;)01:38
SillyZtorka join #sillyz01:38
heroinstan: yah wiki is easiest and forums will always yield some results01:39
TokraPentium 4300 Gforce 8600GT 2Gbit Ram ASUS P5B board01:39
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heroinTokra: nice PC01:39
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angelit means no...01:39
Tokrathx but it doesnt help me at all becaus I cant use my GFX crd right now and turning back to windoof is not an option01:40
heroinTokra: ok when i installed 7.04 it automatically gave me correct drivers which had opengl support01:40
heroinTokra: which version of kubuntu are u running?01:40
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stanheroin: yeah, thats the problem... I didnt find anything on the forums because they always refer to the spell checker... anyway, Ill have a look at wiki now... Thank you for your help, guys! ;)01:41
heroinstan: if u cant figure it out after the forums let me know and i will help aswell01:42
stanheroin: ok, thnx ;)01:42
crafty_I'm trying to load a website but the connection is refused, this is the only website this is happening with, what does it mean?01:42
sivajicrafty_ which website01:43
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crafty_sorry about the hyperlink01:43
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sivajicrafty_ u r right even i too cant01:45
crafty_now it said it 'timed out'01:45
crafty_could it mean it's busy?01:46
sivajimay be01:46
crafty_cuz operations associated w it are fine.01:47
heroincrafty_: yes01:47
crafty_btw, how are the bug fixes w ubuntu studio goin01:47
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crafty_1. you can't record audio w sound card01:48
crafty_2. you can't mount a cd/dvd with anything on it w o consol01:48
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crafty_big bugs in an otherwise sweet operating system01:49
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heroincrafty_: well thats not an OS related thing is it?01:49
heroincrafty_: its an application..01:49
heroincrafty_: tahts like saying. yah Nero doesnt really work.. otehrwise windows is a good OS01:50
crafty_yes it is.  it's all across the board, all apps w feisty.  doesn't happen w other forms of ubuntu01:50
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crafty_um, that would be like saying you can't do it with any app01:50
crafty_no app works for recording mounting cds01:50
crafty_and I'm not the only one who had this problem.01:51
crafty_audacity and all other recording aps don't work.01:51
heroincrafty_: well ok01:51
crafty_spent a frustrating three weeks trying app after app01:52
crafty_Dapper w audacity recorded internet radio just fine01:52
crafty_just wanted to let the developing team it had a problem01:53
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kumamotodoes anyone use static ipaddrs at home02:01
ubunturoskumamoto: I do02:02
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kumamotoubunturos: whois is your provider02:04
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ubunturoskumamoto: I'm in India, Mumbai. MTNL is my ISP02:06
heroinwow.. India02:07
heroinu guys are pissing me off02:07
ubunturosheroin: pissing me off, for what?02:08
kumamotoman we in the US are behind on the broadband thing what is your speed02:08
heroinyour society is poluting the world sooo badly02:08
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heroiniam on a 8mbit cable :) for 25$ per month unlimited access and bandiwth02:08
kumamotothat is what you call a growing industrial power does02:09
ubunturosheroin: wow cool!02:09
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ubunturoskumamoto: but what's your ISP ?02:09
ubunturoseeks, who's your ISP02:09
kumamotoubunturos: some cheap isp who is charging me 5MB for $6002:09
kumamotocalled CHARTER02:10
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kumamotono static02:10
ubunturoskumamoto: oh, heroin and you are in different states02:10
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kumamotoif I were to get static IPs it would cost me $120 for 3MB02:10
heroinkumamoto: wher eu live?02:11
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kumamotoindia is far ahead of the US in providing broadband services02:11
kumamotoheroin: TX02:12
ubunturoskumamoto: may be generalization won't be good. You would have to point out specific areas02:12
heroinHolland is pretty kick ass aswell as japan southkorea and norway and the likes02:12
ubunturoskumamoto: Mumbai and Delhi are better off in Broadband penetration.02:13
heroinAmerika is just fooked because AT&T and the likes are greed asses who rather have profit then change02:13
ubunturosheroin: where are you located in the US?02:13
heroinubunturos: i live in the netherlands, europe02:13
kumamotoheroin: I concour02:13
heroinubunturos: i have lived in america though02:13
ubunturosheroin: ah, I see02:13
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heroinkumamoto: though the size of America does make it a bit harder to lay down pipes it doesnt matter in NY and large urban areas they still charge WAAAY to much for shit connections with dynamic ips bandwith limits and insane rules02:14
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ubunturoskumamoto: shocking to know TX doesn't have cheaper Broadband :-o02:14
heroinubunturos: america is pretty shitty man02:15
ubunturosheroin: may be. But innovations probably potray it differently02:15
heroinubunturos: in the movies its decent but when ur there people are dumb retared and just plain stupid.. no offe to kumamoto who seems like a very decent person02:15
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!02:16
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heroinaAnyway its time to go outside.. enjoy the fresh air and smoke :P02:16
kumamotoand they rip us off on upstream02:16
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sivajiJucato hi02:19
Jucatohi sivaji02:19
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sivajikumamoto are u indian02:21
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eagles0513875random kubuntu related though02:22
eagles0513875dont install apache on a lapto02:22
eagles0513875after a while it really starts to bog down ur machine at least a laptop02:22
nosrednaekimespecially if you don't need it02:22
kumamotoaptitude purge apache02:23
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icecruncherhow can I install chess engines?02:29
^RiaN^what is that02:30
^RiaN^a game?02:30
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icecruncheryep, for Knights02:30
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TokraHi SillyZ it didn't work02:36
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AvantiAnyone have any hints to installing kubuntu, on a Mac? I am about to attempt to install it, but Im betting that there is going to be some problems with the EFI?02:37
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sivajiAvanti try #ubuntu02:39
AvantiThey seem a little busy atm <_>02:39
sivajiicecruncher have u installed that02:40
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TokraSillyZ: are U still there02:41
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sivajii think there are so many bugs in ubuntu that is y #ubuntu is always flooding02:45
AvantiThat seems like a reasonable statement, Is there a website or something for the people who don't have a BIOS?02:45
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binkshas anyone got mythtv installed02:49
binksor no howto as if i install the package it doesnt create a user or the db in mysqy02:49
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soonI'm trying to install LAMP on my kubuntu to create a test Drupal site - I get: We were unable to use the MySQL database because the MySQL extension for PHP is not installed.03:00
soonmy /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini is here http://pastebin.com/93019403:00
soonI've installed php5, php5-cli and php-mysql03:01
soonalso libapache2-mod-php503:02
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dfeserdoes someone know when the new cups version will be avail. in feisty?03:06
BluesKaj'Morning All :)03:06
BluesKajnew cups ?03:06
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SlimGWhat's the graphical KDE equivalent of bash's "cp" ?03:07
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Daisuke_Idodrag and drop?03:08
Daisuke_Idohow can there be a graphical equivalent to "COPY"03:08
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nosrednaekimmornin'  BluesKaj03:08
Shockhey premier_ you there?03:08
BluesKajhi nosrednaekim03:09
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nosrednaekimready to save the world one Linux problem at a time?03:10
SlimGDaisuke_Ido: The KDE dialogue that appears when you either copy files from http or local on your machine03:10
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Daisuke_Idoa "save as" dialog?03:11
BluesKajhad a bad time with a broken grub yesterday after a kernel upgrade ,which broke grub without any warnings, but was able to restore the linux boot at least03:11
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BluesKajwith a lot of help of course03:11
Daisuke_Idoor the progress dialog03:11
SlimGDaisuke_Ido: progress dialogue03:12
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Daisuke_Idothat makes sense...  i don't see how that's a graphical equivalent to cp (meaning a way to perform the same function graphically), it's just a progress indicator.03:13
ubotuUbuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).03:13
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SillyZheres one for ya, printing, I used to get a banner at the top and bottom of each page, indicating the file, page number and title of the document? How to get this back?03:13
nosrednaekimSillyZ: from Kate?03:14
nosrednaekimSillyZ: or if not... from which program?03:14
SlimGDaisuke_Ido: I mean the KDE app that works just like cp, but additionally has the KDE GUI progress dialogue03:14
SillyZIm not sure if it was Kate or where it was from, ill try kate tho03:15
Daisuke_Idoit's not an app, per se, it's just...  part of kde03:15
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SlimGDaisuke_Ido: You know how to initiate such a filecopy-dialogue ?03:16
Daisuke_Idoactually, yours would probably be a better question for the guys in #kde03:16
SillyZya looking at the print options in kate, I think it was kate03:16
SlimGDaisuke_Ido: thanks03:16
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Daisuke_Idonp, sorry it took a while to understand what you meant03:16
SillyZyup it was kate03:16
nosrednaekimSillyZ: yah... thats the only prgram i've ever seen do that by default03:16
SillyZvery handy lil option, i like it much03:17
SillyZwish it was a system option in like Cups03:17
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nosrednaekimI think it is a kprint option somewhere.03:17
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SlimGDaisuke_Ido: Tought I'd share the answer of my question with you: kfmclient copy 'src' 'dest'03:21
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nosrednaekimSlimG: and what exactly is the use of that?03:27
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SillyZanyone tried using like acronis for a backup system?03:28
sitoanybody can view this video?03:28
Arwensito, yes, it's just generic divx03:28
sitoi use firefox03:28
sitoi download mediaplayerconectivity program03:29
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sitobut when i view with vlc player the video stoped and show "buffering"03:30
Arwensito, just play this url directly: ttp://video.stage6.com/1314155/.divx03:31
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sitobut what is the program for view this divx?03:32
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Arwensito, .....your generic media player?03:34
BluesKajnosrednaekim, what's a proper mount point for dvdwriter03:35
sitoArwen: vlc03:35
nosrednaekimdvdwriter? if you mean the device itself, I would think /dev/cdrom or/dev/dvd03:35
Arwensito, that ought to work. long as your connection speed is higher than approx 1000kbit03:35
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sitomy connection speed is 1024 aprox.03:36
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Arwensito, eh... maybe you want to consider downloading the file and then playing it instead?03:36
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Shocksito: works for me using firefox and mozilla-mplayer plugin03:37
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sitoArwen: this solucion is goot...03:38
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sitoShock: yes...03:38
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nosrednaekimBluesKaj:  if you mean the device itself, I would think /dev/cdrom or/dev/dvd03:39
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jacquesubuntu can not use my wireless card03:40
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FSHeroHi all: is there a way to allow game sounds to play (e.g. in OpenArena: bullet sounds, etc.) while Amarok plays music?03:41
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sfiredidn't know about that game FSHero... I'm going to download it and check it out now03:42
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FSHerosfire: it's nice. A free-software Quake 3 game.03:43
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BluesKajhey, daughter's cursor is frozen in windows XP...anyone know the fix ..I used to but forgot ?03:43
FSHerosfire: hours of fun :)03:43
ArwenFSHero, openarena?03:43
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ArwenBluesKaj, this is #kubuntu ...03:44
renzaassirati cannot run my php files03:44
sfireBluesKaj: that sounds like a question for another channel03:44
renzaassiratpls help me03:44
nosrednaekimBluesKaj: unplugg the mouse whirl it around your head 11.4 times bow down 6 times to Redmond and then plug it back in03:44
bonbonthejonBluesKaj: restart it, that always seems to work03:44
bonbonthejon!ask | renzaassirat03:44
uboturenzaassirat: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)03:44
BluesKajArwen, up yours , this is an emergency for my daughter03:44
sfireBluesKaj: of course the answer is a complete re-install03:44
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ArwenBluesKaj, and we don't care about your stinkin "daughter", not this channel please03:45
FSHeroArwen: Yes, OpenArena... and other games with sound in-game03:45
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bonbonthejonrenzaassirat: you mean the php files aren't handled by apache?03:45
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ArwenFSHero, hehe, I've just not heard of it before.03:45
BluesKajArwen, why do you keep confirming that you're an asshole ?03:45
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renzaassiratbonbonthejon: yes03:45
ArwenBluesKaj, you're the one making personal attacks? shoo03:46
ubotuThe people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines03:46
ArwenFSHero, try changing amarok's audio output to arts or esd?03:46
k00kla ?03:46
BluesKaj <Arwen> BluesKaj, and we don't care about your stinkin "daughter"03:46
FSHeroArwen: thanks... I'll read up on how to (noob alert).03:46
FSHeroBluesKaj: what exactly is happening?03:46
sfireBluesKaj: well... we don't03:46
BluesKajthat's not a personal attacK ?03:46
ArwenFSHero, *disclaimer* that's just a guess03:46
JucatoBluesKaj: ##windows03:46
renzaassiratbonbonthejon: my apache just run a html files03:46
FSHeroArwen: cool, np03:47
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bonbonthejonrenzaassirat: http://howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu704 will help03:47
renzaassiratbonbonthejon: but it cannot rus a php file03:47
bonbonthejon!ru > k00kla03:47
ArwenBluesKaj, if you're going to quote, at least quote the entire line. K, thx.03:47
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BluesKajjust trying to help her she's a newb to computers in general03:47
sfireBluesKaj: sounds like you are also :p03:47
renzaassiratbonbonthejon: thanks03:47
BluesKajFSHero, her cursor is frozen her laptop03:48
JucatoArwen, BluesKaj: ok both of you calm down. BluesKaj, it's a question for ##windows obviously. Arwen, let's try to be civil. thanks03:48
bonbonthejonrenzaassirat: thats a really good guide03:48
bonbonthejonthank you Jucato03:48
Arwenfair enough03:48
FSHeroBluesKaj: I haven't encountered that problem before... sorry03:48
ArwenBluesKaj, instead of wasting time trying to figure it out, you could just reboot?03:49
bonbonthejonBluesKaj: rebooting always seems to fix windows, for some reason03:49
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BluesKajjust asked civil question i get attacked personally ..and the guy even insults my daughter and he acts as if i offended him? WOW ..03:50
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sfireBluesKaj: you are not using common sense... you are in the wrong channel for that question03:50
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Arwenno sense adding fuel to the flame.... even if I am right..03:51
Jucatook just stop it everyone03:51
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BluesKajsfire, it was a quick question which i thought some ppl familiar with using other OSs' would know the answer to ...it's not going to break aura of superiority if the word windows ia mentioned03:52
sfireFSHero: I've got both Amarok sound and the game sound03:52
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sfireFSHero: don't know whats different in my setup but it works03:53
FSHerosfire: truth be told, I'm running Amarok in Xfce... does that change things?03:53
sfireit could03:53
sfirenot really sure... never tried xfce03:53
BluesKajanother insult ..not using common sense ... well i can see there 's no lack of bad manners here03:53
FSHerosfire: thanks. I'll try it in 'pure' KDE.03:53
bonbonthejonok, question, you know when you start konqueror, there is that blue screen, I replaced the images with some other ones. how can i get the default blue ones back03:53
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nosrednaekimBluesKaj: better watch it if you don't want to be banned.03:54
BluesKajme banned ...I'm not the one insulting ppl, nosrednaekim03:54
JucatoBluesKaj: please stop it already. please?03:55
FSHeroIf you've been using sudo at a terminal to do stuff, it remembers your 'superuser' priviledges for a few minutes. How do you get the terminal to "forget" your priviledges?03:55
jacqueshi there03:55
bonbonthejonhi jacques03:55
sfireFSHero: wait several minutes?03:55
bonbonthejonFSHero: if you are using konsole, then just close it03:56
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FSHerobonbonthejon: thanks! I didn't notice that :P03:56
NickPrestaFSHero, `sudo -k`03:56
NickPrestaFSHero, use `man sudo` for more information.03:57
FSHeroNickPresta: thanks.03:57
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shane2peruhowdy all, can anyone recommend a good icon-theme to install for Kubuntu?04:00
shane2peruI installed the kubuntu-desktop over my Ubuntu installation and no icons showed up.04:00
nosrednaekimshane2peru: I use Human,04:01
nosrednaekimwhich is the ubuntu theme04:01
ArwenI use crystalsvg, but...04:01
shane2perunosrednaekim, for KDE?04:01
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jriachii use OS-K (downloaded from look.kde.org)04:01
nosrednaekimshane2peru: yeah, all icons are cross desktop now04:01
shane2perureally, I didn't know that.04:02
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Arwendang it... my cube looks ugly. Why doesn't beryl have anti-aliasing?04:02
shane2peruok, I like the blue themes better though.04:02
jriachiis it easy to enable beryl in kubuntu+nvidia?04:02
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nosrednaekimshane2peru: then use crystal04:03
Arwenjriachi, eh... yes? but beryl is dead. Use compiz.04:03
nosrednaekimberyl is DEAD?04:03
shane2peruok, thanks nosrednaekim04:03
Arwennosrednaekim, didn't you hear? it merged into compiz.04:03
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nosrednaekimI knew they were talking04:03
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Arwenopencompositing.org <-- it's official04:04
SillyZok heres another silly question fromt he sillyz.... .when I click on any icon, i get this 'icon animatin zooming', ive looked in apperance, etc how to turn this off ??04:04
Arwenmakes sense really, beryl was just a bunch of compiz plugins04:04
sfiresweet :)04:04
sfireget all the good minds in on the project :)04:04
JucatoSillyZ: System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Mouse -> Activation checkbox at the bottom04:05
jriachimmm.. so i should google for compiz instead of beryl04:05
jriachigood to know04:05
shane2perudoes anyone know what the default icon theme is for Kubuntu? and how I can install it?04:05
crdlbjriachi, for now, install beryl04:05
SillyZschweet that works04:05
nosrednaekimshane2peru: crystal. do you have it?04:05
Jucatoshane2peru: Crystal SVG04:05
crdlbunless you want to install stuff from git that isn't quite ready04:06
SillyZnow how to turn off the damned ntoficiation when you move the mouse over like the K button, or the iicons beside it ?04:06
JucatoSillyZ: right-click on the panel -> Configure Panel -> Taskbar -> mouseover effects04:06
Arwencrdlb, bah, none of that compositing stuff is "ready" yet.04:06
shane2perunosrednaekim, I think, I just installed it04:06
JucatoSillyZ: er sorry...04:06
Jucatomake that Appearance -> mouseover effect04:06
shane2peruvia adept04:06
JucatoAppearance not Taskbar04:07
Jucatoshane2peru: you installed it? it should be installed by default on Kubuntu anyway04:07
nosrednaekimshane2peru: so now you want ot know how to enable it?04:07
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JucatoSillyZ: are you going to ask about the bouncing icon next?04:07
shane2peruI know, but when I installed over Ubuntu it didn't install it.04:07
bonbonthejonso should i install compiz instead of beryl04:08
shane2peruMy icons are a mess with a a lot of missing icons.04:08
crdlbbonbonthejon, no, not yet04:08
Jucatoshane2peru: hm... strange... it should have04:08
shane2peruyeah, I been through this before on the forums, but never got the best fix04:08
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SillyZhmmm no option there like that04:08
shane2peruI installed icons through aptitude kde-icons-themename04:08
SillyZjucato no i got that one in kcontrol04:09
shane2peruI'm downloading one now from kde-look.org, but would like the kubuntu or ichthux default theme.04:09
JucatoSillyZ: oh... everything's in there... KControl -> Peripherals -> Mouse. KControl -> Desktop -> Panels -> Appearance04:09
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jriachiJucato: how can i access kcontrol in kubuntu?04:11
Jucatojriachi: Alt+F2, "kcontrol"04:11
jriachino menu entry?04:11
SillyZits desktop -> panels -> appearance -> Enable icon mouseover effect thats it04:11
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SillyZthanks guys04:12
Jucatojriachi: Kubuntu uses System Settings instead04:12
Jucato(which is just KControl with a makeover04:12
jriachiyes, but some options are missing (or at least i cant find them)04:13
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bonbonthejonjriachi: use alt-f2 and run "kcontrol"04:13
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jriachibonbonthejon. Jucato. I'll do, thanks :)04:13
shane2perudoes anyone know  how to get a complete set of icons?  I'm always missing some04:13
shane2peruI have installed the Crystal theme, and it is still lacking04:14
shane2peruJust tried one from kde-look.org called breathless and it is pretty comprehensive, but I'm still missing some04:14
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Jucatoshane2peru: Crystal SVG (take note of the "SVG" part of the name) is the most complete KDE icon theme.04:15
shane2peruok, I don't think that one was in my icon choices.04:15
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Jucatoshane2peru: kde-icons-crystal04:16
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shane2peruok, I don't see the crystal SVG04:16
shane2peruI have crystal and crystalclear04:16
JucatoI just gave you the package name for it04:17
Jucatoit's the crystal one04:17
Jucatoer wait no!04:17
shane2peruoh, sorry didn't see that, I'm new to this chat stuff.04:17
Jucatosorry sorry04:17
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Dr_willisWeee!  'wanna hack like in the movies' -->  http://hacketyhack.net/04:17
shane2peruwe are talking about the repos right, not kde-look.org04:17
JucatoCrystal SVG, which is KDE's default icon theme, is installed through kdelibs04:17
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shane2peruok, so I need to install kdelibs04:18
Dr_willisGotta love fun progaming toys!04:18
shane2peruJucato, claims that is installed.04:18
Jucatoshane2peru: if you installed KDE or Kubuntu over GNOME, it should be04:18
JucatoI don't understand what other problem you are having though...04:18
Dr_williswhat icons are you missing?04:19
shane2peruit is installed, but I don't see it in the icons list04:19
Jucatoshane2peru: where are you checking?04:19
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shane2peruin the menu adept doesn't have an icon, and in my panel several like kopete doesn't have an icon and kwallet no icon04:19
shane2peruthose last two are in the panel04:19
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shane2perusystem settings -> Appearance -> Icons04:20
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shane2perudoes my panel need to be restarted for the icons to show up?04:20
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MinatakuMorning, Dr_willis04:22
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Dr_willisMinataku,  check out -->   'wanna hack like in the movies' -->  http://hacketyhack.net/04:23
Dr_willisheh. Programing for Kiddies!04:23
jriachiit would be good to be able to say ("use this iconset, if it has not the needed icons use this other iconset, if not then use the default iconset")04:23
shane2peruyes, that would be nice to have a few fallback options04:24
shane2peruI know when Kubuntu is installed first there aren't all these missing icons.04:24
Jucatoshane2peru: have you tried logging out and logging back in?04:25
Dr_willistry a new user - see if they got the same issues04:25
sfirecan anyone tell me how I can enable hardware OpenGL on my video card.  I know it has it and have searched google but comming up with nothing04:25
shane2peruno, that I didn't try, let me give that a try.04:25
Dr_willissfire,  what video card?04:25
nosrednaekimsfire: what type of video card?04:25
MinatakuDr_willis: Is this real?04:25
sfireits a intel card (built into my laptop)04:25
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Dr_willisMinataku,  http://www.zonbu.com/demo/  looks neat also.04:25
MinatakuMore over... Ruby? What a dumb choice. :P04:26
hasanhi gusy04:26
Dr_willisMinataku,  as far as i know its real. I just downloaded it. saw it in a Linux Magazine04:26
Dr_willisMinataku,  yea. they should of used Rexx!04:26
hasanis there a backup software like northon ghost for kubuntu04:26
Dr_willishasan,  i normally use Mondo/Mindi04:26
MinatakuNah, if they had to use a scripting language, Python04:26
hasanwhat's that?04:26
Dr_willisthers other backup tools out also.04:26
nosrednaekimsfire: 3d should be enabled by default I should think.04:26
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Dr_willis!info mondo04:26
ubotumondo: powerful disaster recovery suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.20-1.1 (feisty), package size 402 kB, installed size 1132 kB04:26
Dr_willis!info mindo04:26
ubotuPackage mindo does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas04:26
Dr_willis!info mindi04:26
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ubotumindi: creates boot/root disks based on your system. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.20-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 152 kB, installed size 728 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 ia64)04:27
sfirenosrednaekim: it seems to work but glxgears goes really really slowly04:27
hasan!info mondo04:27
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Dr_williswith Mondo/Mindi - i can backup a whole system to smb share/dvd/other ways. and restore it from a bootable disk set04:27
nosrednaekimsfire: what does " glxinfo" say?04:27
MinatakuOpenGL via software rendering is totally useless04:27
sfirenosrednaekim: it claims 542-545 FLS04:27
MinatakuYou could draw the frames faster by hand04:27
hasanprobably with command line04:27
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hasanbut i m not so good at using linux04:28
sfirenosrednaekim: but on the screen it looks really jerky04:28
hasanjust a beginner newcomer from windows realm04:28
shane2peruok, logging out and back in helped a little04:28
Minatakusfire: What kind of video card do you have?04:28
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shane2peruhowever now I'm missing all the nice little icons inside of kopete04:28
MinatakuI notice you ignored that question04:28
hasanyet another question04:28
shane2peruI have a bunch of blank pieces of paper.04:28
hasanis there anybody who has successfully connected and synced his mobile phone with kubuntu?04:29
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nosrednaekimMinataku: he said intel (what type WOULD be nice though)04:29
hasanive got a mpx22004:29
hasanbut i cant sync it with kubuntu04:29
Minatakunosrednaekim: Ah, I missed that, sorry04:29
shane2peru:), I'm not much of an artist04:29
sfireMinataku: intel 945GM04:29
hasanthough i ve installl raki sync-kde04:29
Minatakushane2peru: Heh, neither am I04:29
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sfireI found it04:32
sfireI had my pc setup on powersave mode04:32
sfire<--- kicks self ... sorry all04:32
MinatakuIt's okay04:32
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sfirenope. that wasn't it.. still only software opengl04:34
crdlbsfire, glxinfo|grep client04:35
sfireclient glx vendor string: SGI04:35
sfireclient glx version string: 1.404:35
sfireclient glx extensions:04:35
crdlbsfire, pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log04:35
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sfirecrdlb: I've gotta shrink it a little bit for pastebin04:38
crdlbsfire, why?04:38
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)04:38
crdlba pastebin service can handle an Xorg.0.log04:39
crdlbthat's what they're for04:39
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sfirecrdlb: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25849/04:40
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crdlbsfire, I need the whole thing04:41
sfirecan I DCC it to you?04:42
crdlbno use the pastebin04:42
crdlbif it doesn't accept it, use a different pastebin like pastebin.ca04:42
sfirethey won't accept a file that large04:43
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sfire150,000 max04:43
sfirealready tried04:43
crdlbhow long is it?04:43
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crdlbsfire, wc -l /var/log/Xorg.0.log04:43
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sfireyea... hence the DCC question04:44
sfirewould take like a second to DCC it04:44
shane2peruok, back to icon problems, just opened Amarok, and there are no icons in the program!  Arggh04:45
crdlbsfire, try: http://www.speedyshare.com/04:45
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sfirecrdlb: http://www.speedyshare.com/231760336.html04:45
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nosrednaekimshane2peru: hmm!04:47
shane2perunosrednaekim, I'm downloading the Crystal SVG theme from kde-look now04:47
shane2peruI'm going to give that a try04:47
nosrednaekimmaybe its Icon paths though...04:48
shane2peruaccording to aptitude it is installed, but doesn't show up in my list of choices04:48
crdlbsfire, pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf04:48
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shane2peruI will give this icon theme a try and post back if there are still problems. I don't know how to check the Icon paths04:51
crdlbsfire, remove   load "GLcore"04:51
crdlband add: load "dri"04:51
sfirethen just reboot X ?04:52
crdlbsfire, that'll either fix it, or reveal another problem :)04:52
crdlbyes restart X04:52
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sfireok.. brb04:52
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renzaassirati still cannot run  my php file on my webserver04:54
renzaassirathow to solve this problem04:54
icecruncherrenzaassirat: di you install php?04:55
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DragnslcrAnd what happens when you try to load a .php page?04:55
renzaassiraticecruncher:i have install all php,apache and mysql04:55
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icecruncherdid you follow the tutorials?04:56
icecruncherrenzaassirat: did you doubble check the code?04:56
renzaassiraticecruncher:i follow fromhttp://howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu70404:57
hasanhi guys04:57
hasani ve got a few questions04:57
hasani try to use ktorrent04:57
renzaassiraticecruncher:i sure that04:57
hasani ve got a file in list but dl does not start04:57
hasanstatus is stalled04:58
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Dragnslcrrenzaassirat- you still haven't said anything more than "it doesn't work"04:58
icecruncherrenzaassirat: just a sec04:58
hasando i have to port forward or something?04:58
Dragnslcrhasan- you might want to check to make sure that the port that KTorrent is using isn't blocked04:58
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hasando u know that port by heart?04:59
DragnslcrNo, but netstat tells me it's 688104:59
hasanive found it04:59
hasanright that's it05:00
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hasanill try to dl securedvd but it does not start05:00
jacqueshi there I am trying to make my wifi working but no way05:00
jacquesIs there a way to fix it?05:00
sfirecrdlb: it worked :)05:00
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hasanand its not available over emule just over torrent and normally i dont use torrents05:00
sfirecrdlb: I'm going to post the info for other people with this intel card :)05:00
crdlbsfire, out of curiousity, is your logfile still 500K?05:00
icecruncherrenzaassirat: you might wanna uninstall all of them and follow this https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/server/C/httpd.html https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/server/C/php5.html05:01
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crdlbsfire, you get the record for the longest X log I've ever seen :D05:01
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icecruncherrenzaassirat: at leasdt red tehm and se what was different05:01
sfirecrdlb: 72k now05:01
crdlbthat's more like it05:02
hasan6881 is allowed05:02
sfireprobably why I couldn't get beryl to work also :)05:02
hasanand i havent installed a firewall in my linux05:02
crdlbyeah it'll work fine now05:02
hasanwhat may be the possible problem ?05:02
sfirecrdlb: yes it does :D05:02
hasani cant still use ktorrent thought its forwarded correctly in my routers config screen05:03
sfirecrdlb: every other time it crashed... now it works great :D05:03
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hasanin tracker status its written "timeout on server 80.15 at port 8082"05:04
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sfirethis beryl rocks... I've never gotten to see it before05:05
sfireexcept in youtube videos05:05
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DragnslcrYeah, it is pretty cool05:06
waylandbillsfire: yes. it interesting.05:06
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DragnslcrI wish I could run it more05:06
WatersevenubGuys. http://edu.kde.org/step/ is not shipped with Kubuntu? I can't find it for some reason in the repositories.05:06
waylandbillI like the flaming windows best.05:06
DragnslcrHeh, the flame effect is neat05:06
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nosrednaekimI like "beam"05:07
sfirehow do you do the cube thing?05:07
waylandbillWatersevenub: maybe noone has packaged it yet.05:07
sfirenevermind.. I'll go lookup the instructions05:07
nosrednaekimsfire: are you running beryl?05:08
nosrednaekimtry "ctrl+alt+right arrow"05:08
Watersevenubwaylandbill, strange.05:08
DragnslcrWatersevenub- read the page about compiling05:08
Dragnslcr"Step is only in SVN trunk (KDE 4), in the playground/edu module. You need a recent KDE 4 installation (Qt 4 and kdelibs) to build Step."05:09
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WatersevenubDragnslcr, thanks, misread that.05:09
shane2peruarrrgh, ok, this is annoying05:09
sfirenosrednaekim: that is sweet :)05:09
shane2perustill missing icons05:09
shane2perumust be the other problem05:09
shane2perulocations or something05:09
waylandbillWatersevenub: you could always package it yourself or suggest it to the MOTU05:09
nosrednaekimsfire: try ctrl+alt+click left mouse button and drag05:10
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Syndic4teHi guys05:11
Syndic4te i just added _75.00 to the first resolutions in all of the modes in xorg.conf...my monitor can support it. is that okay? it shouldn't mess it up...right?05:11
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amin81hey everyone05:11
shane2peruif it wasn't so much work I would just install kubuntu from scratch and re-install everything05:11
amin81anybody up for a big challenge? hehe05:12
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nosrednaekimamin81: hehe... what is it.05:12
jriachihow can i enter unidode symbols? (e.g. i'd like to write the infinity symbol (U+221E)  typing Control+Shift+221E or something)05:12
shane2perunosrdnaekim, what was the other thing you mentioned, about the icon path or something?05:12
amin81nosrednaekim: I cannot get online with my computer05:12
nosrednaekimshane2peru: yeah, go over to #kde and ask about your icon problem05:12
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amin81nosrednaekim: Right now I am online with windows05:12
nosrednaekimamin81: ok, do you have wireless? or dialup?05:13
shane2peruok, I assume that is the channel?05:13
amin81nosrednaekim: No, none of them05:13
nosrednaekimshane2peru: yeah05:13
shane2peruok, thanks05:13
nosrednaekimamin81: just wired?05:13
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amin81nosrednaekim: ye05:13
nosrednaekimamin81: what network chipset do you have?05:13
shane2peruI will jot that down, thanks nosrednaekim05:13
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amin81nosrednaekim: hmm, what is that? haha05:13
nosrednaekimamin81: do you have an intel network chip? a reltek? an nvidia?05:14
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amin81nosrednaekim: aha, I have intel05:14
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nosrednaekimamin81: ok, well then it should all work..05:14
amin81nosrednaekim: ok, cool05:14
nosrednaekimamin81: but you say it doesn't?05:15
amin81nosrednaekim: no05:15
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amin81nosrednaekim: the funny thing is, I can ping www.google.com through konsole05:15
stdindhcp or manual configuration ?05:15
amin81nosrednaekim: but cannot get online05:15
stdinand you can ping google by name?05:15
nosrednaekimamin81: ahh ha... I heard that problem before. now WHAT was the solution?05:15
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sfireI heard that question just the other day... don't remember the solution05:16
amin81stdin: yes, i can ping google by name05:16
nosrednaekimsfire: me too... hmm.. amin81are you behind a proxy?05:16
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amin81sfire: we tried to work on that a few days back05:16
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amin81nosrednaekim: no, no proxy05:16
stdinamin81: try disabling  IPv605:16
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ip6 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:16
ubotuTo disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv405:16
nosrednaekimamin81: how about using a different browser?05:17
amin81stdin: should it work then?05:17
amin81nosrednaekim: i have tried firefox, no success05:17
stdinamin81: we'll see ;)05:17
amin81nosrednaekim: i cannot get online with any programs05:17
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JjaannuussI have a problem with my touchpad not being recognized properly, any one up for it?05:17
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amin81Jjaannuuss: search for touchpad in add/remove programs05:18
amin81Jjaannuuss: install the file that appears (dont remember the name, but there is only one file)05:18
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amin81stdin: what is ipv6?05:19
Jjaannuusstheres several files...05:19
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stdinamin81: version 6 of the Internet Protocol05:20
amin81stdin: ok05:20
amin81Jjaannuuss: i only have one called application (settings)05:21
amin81Jjaannuuss: i have problems getting online with my comp with linux at the moment05:21
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Jjaannuussokay i'll do some more research05:21
amin81Jjaannuuss: i will let you know exactly what the filename is when and if i get online05:21
amin81Jjaannuuss: it is a file called touchpad configuration file or something05:22
Jjaannuussto be able to run that file the touchpad must be recognized as a synaptics touchpad. mine is recognized as a generic mouse.05:22
amin81Jjaannuuss: synaptics touchpad driver for x.Org server05:23
dthackerhi!  I want to customize my command line prompt.  I don't seem to have .bash_profile, and .bashrc says it's for non-interactive shells.  Where do I edit?05:23
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frojndHow can I get back grub, if I first installed kubuntu and than windows ?05:24
frojndI need simple tutorial05:24
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto05:24
frojndI don't need a lot of reading05:25
frojnddirect link would do :)05:25
stdinthe 1st link there ^05:25
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jriachihow can i enter unidode symbols in kde applications? (e.g. i'd like to write the infinity symbol (U+221E)  typing Control+Shift+221E or something)05:25
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snikkerwith postfix my mails are queued, but not sended to external, why?05:26
stdindthacker: just create the ~/.bash_profile file05:26
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dthackerstdin: Is that read after .bashrc?05:27
chxhi. I would like to start ktorrent in a way that it does not start seeding anything05:28
Jjaannuusswell dosn't work that way :-S05:28
stdindthacker: not sure, "man bash" just says "The personal initialization file, executed for login shells". tho you can ask in #bash05:28
amin81stdin: do i need to restart after I have disabled the ipv6?05:28
stdinamin81: yes05:28
amin81stdin: ok05:29
amin81Jjaannuuss: hmmmm05:29
amin81Jjaannuuss: have you updated your feisty?05:29
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M_A_KAnybody know of a free package I can install on my domain to create an online community similar to myspace or facebook?05:33
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amin81stdin: have to connect the ethernet wire to linux machine05:33
amin81stdin: brb05:33
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sfirehow do you exit out of beryl ? is the only option a X restart?05:33
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Jucatoberyl-manager -> Select Window Manager -> KWin05:34
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nosrednaekimsfire: you need to have beryl-manager installed05:34
Jucatoor maybe just kill beryl-manager and start kwin05:34
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ignacio82HI! I need help to make my tv card work. I have kubuntu 7.0405:35
ignacio82any one can help me?05:35
nosrednaekimignacio82: wht tv card do you have?05:35
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nosrednaekimhow can you do beryl without beryl manager?05:36
nosrednaekimits like do hard05:36
ignacio82i have a HP expresscard, came whit my laptop (Pavilion DV9207US)05:36
nosrednaekimignacio82: search for it and linux on google05:36
sfiresweet... found it.. was hoping there was a easy way to turn it on and off... it seems to affect gameplay05:37
ignacio82i cant find the solotion at google (sorry for my english)05:37
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Biovore^ yeah berly and OpenGL games == suckage05:38
BiovoreI belive alxgl dosn't have that problem though.. but I havn't tried it..05:38
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stanhey guys, I have just downloaded some Plugins fro the OpenDict and its in *.deb format. How do I install it?05:40
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amin81stdin: it didnt work05:41
sfirestan: right click it and there is a install option05:41
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stansfire: ok, but where will it install it? I mean will the Opendict be able to use it?05:41
stdinamin81: do you have a filewall on your network?05:42
amin81stdin: no05:42
sfirestan: yep... it just does its own thing... normally .deb files just work flawless.. it puts it where it wants it05:42
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Biovorestan: paths a fixed inside the deb file.. so if it works with this verion of ubuntu it should work.  (debian .deb packages ussualy work)05:43
stanok, Ill do it now then, sfire, thanks a bunch!05:43
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amin81stdin: what happened?05:46
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stansfire, Biovore, so if I want to uninstall the package I just have to right-click it again and pick Uninstall from the menu? Will that do the trick?05:47
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stdinamin81: not sure, you can ping google by name and it replies but you can't connect to in in a browser?05:48
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amin81stdin: yes, exactly05:49
amin81stdin: replies with 0% package lost05:50
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amin81stdin: cannot connect to any sites through the browser05:50
stdinthat's very odd05:50
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amin81stdin: yeah05:50
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chuenHi. I've just tried the Adept upgrade wizard to install feisty. This 'prepare' ok, then I get the error:05:51
chuenailed to fetch http://www.getautomatix.com/apt/dists/kubuntu/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found05:51
chuenIs there another, esay way of upgrading?05:51
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stdinchuen: 1st DON'T use automatix05:52
amin81sfire: you dont remember how to fix the problem?05:52
chuenstdin: OK :)05:52
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chuenstdin: Shall I uninstall it?05:52
stdinchuen: that would be a start05:52
chuenstdin: OK, hang on.05:52
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BluesKajOk, got grub all setup and working ok , now i just need rights to Storage Media... any suggestions?05:53
amin81anyone else up for a big challenge? hehe05:53
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chuenstdin: That's gone! Shall I try the upgrade again via adept?05:54
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stdinchuen: yeah, try it again05:54
chuenstdin: OK thx ttyl05:54
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llp78how can I find out how long kubuntu has been installed for ?05:55
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BluesKajwhat's the best mount point for the dvdwriter ?05:55
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stdinBluesKaj: /media/cdrom0 (or cdrom1 if you have more than one)05:56
livingdaylightpeople: is this the best os in the universe?05:56
livingdaylightDoes Kubuntu Rock?!05:56
binksi need my kernel src installed what package is this05:56
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BluesKajok thx stdin05:56
nosrednaekimlivingdaylight: in this channel it is!05:56
chuenstdin: Got the same error msg :(05:57
amin81somebody please help me, dont want to go back to using winblows05:57
stdinbinks: why do you need the source?05:57
livingdaylightnosrednaekim: LOL.... no, in EVERY channel!05:57
stdinchuen: open up your sources.list and remove the automatix source05:57
llp78amin81: ask your question?05:57
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chuenstdn: OK05:57
amin81llp78: i have been asking it for the past 10 mins...hehe05:57
amin81llp78: i cannot get online with my linux machine05:57
chuenstdn: which dir is it  in?05:57
livingdaylighti've just installed kubuntu for the first time on my lenovo R60e laptop on a 60gb hard drive with 1gb of Ram...05:58
llp78amin81: ok you using the live cd05:58
binksi need to install this   http://www.curious-contraptions.net/offsite/?url=https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/sascng/wiki/SascIndex05:58
amin81llp78: i am onilne with windows at the moment05:58
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stdinchuen: press Alt+F2 and type in: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list05:58
chuenstdin: thx05:58
llp78amin81: can you explain to me what happens ? you using the live cd - wireless05:58
amin81llp78: i have deactivated the ipv6 without success05:59
amin81llp78: no, I am using the wire05:59
livingdaylightGuys: having just installed kubuntu for the first time on my laptop...please point me where i go from here to set my system up for ALL System GO!05:59
binksstdin: im installing this http://www.curious-contraptions.net/offsite/?url=https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/sascng/wiki/SascIndex05:59
llp78amin81: what type of connection do you have to the internet ?05:59
livingdaylighti want to spruce my system up so I am hot hot hot05:59
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livingdaylightwhat is the next step after a fresh install like mine?05:59
nosrednaekimlivingdaylight: play around... beryl maybe if you are really adventurous06:00
binksstdin: how do i create the link in the first code box06:00
nosrednaekimlivingdaylight: this your first time on Linux?06:00
amin81llp78: no programs will allow me to get online...for example, firefox will keep on searching for sites but will not log on to them06:00
chuenstdin: so all from here: #AUTOMATIX REPOS START to END?06:00
amin81llp78: i am connecting directly to the internet with dhcp06:00
stdinbinks: you really shouldn't need the source here, the headers should work fine06:00
livingdaylightnosrednaekim: yes06:00
llp78amin81: do you use msn ?06:00
stdinchuen: yeah06:00
jriachihow can i enter unidode symbols in kde applications? (e.g. i'd like to write the infinity symbol (U+221E)  typing Control+Shift+221E or something)06:00
nosrednaekimlivingdaylight: and all your hardware is working perfectly?06:00
chuenstdin: kk06:00
livingdaylightnosrednaekim: i don't know if my integrated intel graphics card would support beryl... but surely there are other things of priority first like all my multimedia codecs etc?06:01
stdinchuen: anything that doesn't have "archive.ubuntu.com" in it06:01
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llp78amin81: did DHCP give you a IP ?06:01
nosrednaekimlivingdaylight: ahh right. what kind of codecs do you want?06:01
amin81llp78: yes06:01
livingdaylightnosrednaekim: it seems so... i boot into kubuntu and wireless is working so i am online chatting here in konversation... but next would be multimedia06:01
nosrednaekimI think there is a package called "ubuntu-restricted-extras"06:01
livingdaylightnosrednaekim: everything!06:02
nosrednaekimlivingdaylight: oh.. you're lucky06:02
llp78amin81: from the shell - could you ping the gateway ?06:02
livingdaylightnosrednaekim: there is nothing i want to throw at my system and it won't play it06:02
amin81llp78: yes06:02
livingdaylightnosrednaekim: yes, i was worried about needing to fuss with wireless but it picked it up and configured it out of the box06:02
amin81llp78: hold on06:02
ubotuUbuntu Restricted Extras is a new way of getting common "restricted" codecs, etc. See !RestrictedFormats06:02
llp78amin81: could you ping an outside domain ?06:02
nosrednaekimlivingdaylight: just get that package... you know how to use adept?06:02
BluesKajstdin, what's the cmnd for permission to access Storage Media ?06:02
amin81llp78: i just reinstalled feisty, now i did not get any ip06:03
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amin81llp78: as in, the ip i have is not the correct one06:03
livingdaylightnosrednaekim: yes... the packagte is ubuntu restricted extras?06:03
stdinBluesKaj: what do you mean?06:03
livingdaylightnosrednaekim: i have heard a obut repositories...do i need to set that up?06:03
llp78amin81: whats the output of ifconfig06:03
nosrednaekimlivingdaylight: no, not for that package06:04
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nosrednaekimlivingdaylight:  but for dvd's you do.06:04
ubotuFor playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs06:04
livingdaylightnosrednaekim: ok, when i say multimedia i include to mean dvds and avi dvx etc06:04
amin81llp78: 10.11 something06:04
llp78amin81: if you add me to msn it would be much easier to help you06:04
nosrednaekimlivingdaylight: right, well, you'll need to add the seveas repository for dvds06:05
BluesKajstdin, when i try call up Storage Media in the System Menu ,"Unable to enter file:///media. You do not have access rights to this location."06:05
amin81llp78: ok, what is your address?06:05
livingdaylightnosrednaekim: could you set me up so that my repos are to the max, so i am Thunderbird All System Go!06:05
llp78amin81: piresl@vodafone.net06:05
stdinBluesKaj: hmm, that's not normal, try "sudo chmod 755 /media06:05
amin81llp78: why dont we go to another channel instead? i dont want to log on to MSN, will not be left alone there...hehehe06:05
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nosrednaekimlivingdaylight: no problem, follow the second link given to you by the bot message following06:06
ubotuFor playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs06:06
amin81come to channel #amin_and_llp7806:06
llp78amin81: ok choose a chan06:06
livingdaylightnosrednaekim: i need to follow seveas hack?06:06
BluesKajthanks stdin , that worked06:06
nosrednaekimlivingdaylight: yes, because the dvd codecs for linux are illegal in some countries06:06
livingdaylightnosrednaekim: ok06:07
chuenstdin: didn't work - but there's some more automatix references in sources.list06:07
chuenstdin: shall i say what they are?06:08
stdinchuen: remove all the ones that don't have "ubuntu.com" in them06:08
chuenstdin: ok06:08
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chuenstdin Jeez - started working ok then got:06:13
chuenstdin :Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)06:13
chuenFailed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)06:13
stdinchuen: that's probably because the server is being updated, wait a while then try again06:14
chuenstdin - Oh, is that  all? OK, thx!06:14
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jujimufuI removed beryl, beryl-manager, emerald, emerald-themes and aquamarine with sudo apt-get remove, then I removed the 3v1 repos from my sources.list, I did sudo apt-get update, and then I did sudo apt-get install for all the previously mentioned packages. It said (in the end of the installation) that the version of beryl being install was 0.2 ("Setting up beryl (0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2)"), but when I do beryl --version, I get "beryl (0.306:15
jujimufu.0". What do I have to do?06:15
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nosrednaekimjujimufu: does beryl not work?06:16
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jujimufunosrednaekim: beryl 0.3 is problematic on mine. I don't get any window decorations, so I wanted to return to 0.2 which is the latest stable version06:17
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nosrednaekimjujimufu: ah k. I don't know how to make it regress.06:18
Biovorejujimufu: make sure your running 24 bit graphics and have direct rendering enabled..06:18
Biovorexwininfo and click on the desktop06:19
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Jucato"glxinfo | grep rendering" does that too06:20
Biovore^ that for checked direct rendering..06:20
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Biovorenot desktop color depth06:20
jujimufuBiovore: beryl was running perfectly before upgrading to 0.3 . I just want to get back to the latest stable version and not the 3v1 version.06:20
Biovorehow you upgrade?06:20
Biovorevia apt?06:21
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necro__is kubuntu = debian+kde06:22
Biovorebasicly.. yes..06:22
llutznecro__: no, it's ubuntu  + KDE06:22
necro__what's ubuntu06:22
Biovoreubuntu basicly is debian..06:22
llutzBiovore: it's based on debian, but it isn't debian :)06:22
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necro__so kubuntu is debian+gnome+kde?06:23
Biovoreis extremely close..06:23
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Biovorekubuntu is kde desktop..06:23
Biovoreubunutu is gnome desktop06:23
Biovorexubuntu is xfce4 desktop06:23
necro__im talking about pkgs they installed06:23
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Biovorewell yeah.. kubuntu installs all the kde stuff (and base gtk libs)06:24
jujimufuBiovore: I did upgrade through apt, yes.06:24
Biovoreapt-get remove <package_name>06:24
jujimufuBiovore: please use my name before phrases that you want to direct to me so I can be notified about them06:24
jujimufuBiovore: I did that.06:24
Biovorethen install the older version..06:24
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necro__does kubuntu install gnome stuff too?06:25
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jujimufuBiovore: then I removed the 3v1's repositories from my sources.list, did sudo apt-get update, then installed all the packages I removed, and although during the installation process it said "Setting up beryl (0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2" instead of version 0.3, and when I did beryl --version, I got "beryl (0.3)"06:25
SlimeyPetenecro__: not by default, but once kubuntu is installed you can install Gnome apps (or even Gnome itself)06:26
necro__i don't want gnome stuff though06:26
necro__i only want kde06:26
necro__i'm against gnome06:26
jujimufunecro__: yeah, you can basically install anything on anything, as long as you have the required dependencies06:26
necro__im kde-prone06:26
Biovorejujimufu: you have some old berly files floating around..06:26
SlimeyPetewell, kubuntu is for you, then.The default install includes no Gnome apps.06:26
jujimufuBiovore: any ideas on how to remove them?06:26
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jriachii currently have kde and gimp and the only gnome app :)06:27
jujimufunecro__: you shouldn't be "against". You should just be kde-prone... there's nothing good with "hating" or "being against" something, when you don't have to.06:27
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Grantis there a way to manually remove a package? it keeps messing up apt-get06:27
jujimufujriachi: me too.06:27
xcibtbtroja: ey im here again i have the error in the notebook06:27
necro__so, does kubuntu have gnome things?06:27
SlimeyPetejujimufu: does this mean you're against being against stuff? ;)06:27
Biovorejujimufu: remove berly using apt then do a dpkg -purge <package_name>  then reinstall06:27
SlimeyPetenecro__: no, not by default06:27
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necro__ok good im getting it then06:27
Dragnslcrnecro__- Gnome apps are in the repositories06:27
necro__so how is kubuntu better than debian+kde?06:28
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DragnslcrI believe Kubuntu uses the same repositories as Ubuntu06:28
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JucatoDragnslcr: your belief is correct06:28
TheGateKeeperjoin #sabayon06:28
ubuntu__hey, does anyone use hp laptop?06:28
necro__what's latest kubuntu version? what's kde version?06:28
necro__i use acer06:28
DragnslcrLatest Kubuntu is 7.0406:28
DragnslcrIt comes with KDE 3.5.606:28
Biovorekde 3.5.606:28
DragnslcrKDE 3.5.7 is available in a separate repository06:29
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necro__so is there a way to um.. install kubuntu with 650MB cd?06:29
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DragnslcrGet the .iso, burn, install06:30
necro__will that iso fit on 650MB?06:30
xcibplease show me the spanish channel06:30
parsekis it possible to install ubuntu from kubuntu?06:30
Guilty_as_Sinadept handles dependencies, correct?  I'm just not sure what happened to my kwin-baghira install..06:30
evansHello people of the world06:30
Dragnslcrnecro__- yes, you can get a regular CD .iso06:30
ubotuSi busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.06:31
Jjaannuussi have problems with my touchpad not being recognized properly, rather it's being recognized as a generic mouse... anybody up for it?06:31
xcibDragnslcr:  thanks.06:31
BiovoreGuilty_as_Sin: it should.. but adding 3rd parity repos can break dependencies06:31
necro__where do i get such cd, Dragnslcr06:31
Guilty_as_SinI see06:31
Dragnslcrparsek- I believe it's ubuntu-desktop06:31
ubotuKubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from here: http://kubuntu.org/download.php06:31
grulI can't believe it's not water!06:31
necro__install ubuntu from kubuntu, you just install kubuntu first, remove kde, and add gnome06:32
parsekor how can downgrade knetworkmanager?06:32
Biovoresudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop  then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop06:32
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parsekknetwork mnager is a mess06:32
Jjaannuussi have problems with my touchpad not being recognized properly, rather it's being recognized as a generic mouse... anybody up for it?06:33
Biovoreparsek: 0.1 is what is in the repos06:33
Biovoreparsek: its a mess because its a suse thing..06:33
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necro__the kubuntu iso is 694MB it won't fit 650MB06:33
parsekBiovore: it was working when i first installed, now not working06:33
ubuntu___hola a todos06:34
llutznecro__: it will06:34
Biovorenecro__: It works on a overburn ussualy.. depends on your cdrom drive..06:34
parsekBiovore: i am coming from suse actually06:34
ubuntu___hello people06:34
necro__can i make it smaller06:34
necro__or i make two cds06:34
ubuntu___so i new in ubuntu06:34
necro__for that06:34
ubuntu___i need help06:34
Biovorenecro__: there is an alterniative install I think thats smaller06:34
parsekBiovore: ho can i use my wireless then with wpa?06:34
llutznecro__: just use overburn option to burn it, it should fit06:34
necro__can't find it06:34
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llp78necro__: you need the 700mb cdr's06:35
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necro__it's a RW cd, wont' fit06:35
ubuntu___i need xgl desktop06:35
necro__only 650MB06:35
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necro__how is kubuntu better than debian with kde?06:35
necro__someone tellme06:35
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grulhow is it not?'06:36
grulpeople want simplicity, they get it06:36
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ubotuUsually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.06:36
Jucatoapplies to distros as well ^^^06:36
Biovorenecro__: My opinion of using both for a long time is the ubuntu has some newer features.. debian is more stable but stale..06:36
grulof course not, but if you can install all of it it's a plus06:36
ubuntu___who i can download xgl06:36
Guilty_as_Singreat way of putting it06:36
nahemothHow do we divide the hard disk into different partitions? gparted couldn't help me or I don't know how to use06:36
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ubuntu__i want to know about the hp recovery06:36
Biovorenecro__: Other then that there both use basicly the systems for system configuration and operation..06:37
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ubuntu__one key recovery06:37
necro__so i have to get a 700MB to install kubuntu?06:37
Biovorenecro__: afraid so..06:37
llp78necro__: a 700mb cdr or download the dvd image and burn that06:38
DragnslcrDo stores even sell 650 MB discs anymore?