[12:14] <darkrift> dont know how to install an rpm
[12:14] <darkrift> on here
[12:14] <Minataku> darkrift: That's because *buntu uses APT
[12:14] <dom> rodrigo, no problem.   you find the history yet?  it's the clock icon
[12:14] <darkrift> i know
[12:14] <rodrigo> yep with f9 thanks dom
[12:14] <Minataku> It can be converted, but using packages for other distributions can be troublesome
[12:15] <DarkWizzard> hello
[12:15] <DarkWizzard> http://pastebin.ca/568944
[12:15] <DarkWizzard> could you guys help me out
[12:15] <DarkWizzard> with some code
[12:15] <Minataku> darkrift: Go ahead and try it, but if it says there are any dependencies, don't continue unless it can grab them automatically
[12:15] <DarkWizzard> the font won't change in the QTextEdit
[12:15] <darkrift> k
[12:15] <DarkED> um somehow i seem to have set myself to 'away' in konversation... how do i un-do that? lol
[12:15] <darksoul_> is fglrx disabled with this DISABLED_MODULES="ath_hal fc fglrx ltm nv"
[12:15] <darkrift> /back
[12:15] <darkrift> or try /away again
[12:15] <DarkED> ahh nice
[12:15] <DarkWizzard> err
[12:15] <DarkWizzard> bad chanel
[12:15] <DarkED> thanks
[12:15] <DarkWizzard> sorry
[12:15] <DarkWizzard> :D
[12:16] <darkrift> did it work DarkED?
[12:16] <Minataku> The problem with mixing is usually incompatible dependencies
[12:16] <DarkED> darksoul_: yes it's disabled, remove fglrx from the list to enable it
[12:16] <DarkED> darkrift: yep :)
[12:16] <DarkED> thanks
[12:16] <Minataku> If it doesn't have any, you should be fine
[12:16] <darkrift> no prob :)
[12:16] <Minataku> If it does, bail out
[12:16] <Minataku> lol
[12:17] <Minataku> Otherwise you end up in dependency hell with a broken system
[12:17] <Minataku> And much like real hell, you have to be a bad-ass space marine to get out of dependency hell.
[12:17] <Kr4t05> Alright, I may be tried as a blasphemer for asking this but, is the method for restoring GRUB any different if you're dual-booting Vista?
[12:18] <darksoul_> DarkED so if i remove it i will be able to install the ATI drivers?
[12:18] <Minataku> I'm hungry
[12:18] <Minataku> I'ma go eat
[12:18] <BluesKaj> damm grub link is broken somehow but there doesn't seem to be a fix that suits my setup ...most of the fixes are for other OSs or pc's with 2 HDDs.
[12:18] <DarkED> darksoul_: i dont know, i just know that modules on that list are disabled :)
[12:18] <Minataku> Sorry for getting all yelling and such >.<
[12:18] <DarkED> darksoul_: i dont have ati, i have nvidia
[12:18] <darksoul_> damn mass nvidia productions :P
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Kr4t05, are you able to boot vista or linux , which is it ?
[12:19] <Kr4t05> BluesKaj: I can boot Vista.
[12:20] <Kr4t05> BluesKaj: I need my GRUB back for Kubuntu. :)
[12:20] <BluesKaj> darksoul_, try this tutorial ..works for my ati 200g card
[12:20] <BluesKaj> http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[12:21] <darksoul_> thnx
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Kr4t05, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:22] <Daisuke_Ido> Step one: Format Windows partition.  Step two: reinstall GRUB
[12:22] <Kr4t05> BluesKaj: I figured that would be it. I wasn't sure if I needed a different approach with Vista, thought.
[12:22] <BluesKaj> I need a grub that works , not constantly giving me errors
[12:22] <ubuntu> help
[12:23] <dom> !grub
[12:23] <ubuntu> i lost my kubuntu becouse i reinstall windows
[12:23] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:23] <ubuntu> help me plz
[12:23] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu: read the links you were JUST given.
[12:24] <dom> !grub | ubuntu
[12:24] <ubotu> ubuntu: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:24] <dom> ah, there we go
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, so perhaps they weren't given specifically to you, but for the love of god, READ.
[12:24] <dom> man, that bot is handy
[12:24] <dom> the grub link should fix everyone's problems though
[12:25] <jdmmade> can anyone tell me how to  turn my screen brightness up more?
[12:25] <dom> !brightness
[12:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about brightness - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:25] <daquin1> is irc.ubuntu.org a relay for irc.freeonde.net?
[12:25] <dom> damn!
[12:25] <dom> daquin1, yes
[12:25] <Kr4t05> !language
[12:25] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:25] <jdmmade> !bright
[12:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bright - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:25] <Kr4t05> jdmmade: What kind of video card do you have?
[12:26] <jdmmade> intel 950
[12:26] <jdmmade> or something
[12:26] <daquin1> wahts with the bug in kubuntu that some times windows show up super small WxH
[12:26] <Kr4t05> Hrm... Does anyone know if the Intel drivers have any configuration tool?
[12:26] <daquin1> and i think i found a bug in the wireless assisstant or something underlying
[12:26] <daquin1> the way it runs the iwconfig line is wrong
[12:27] <BluesKaj> hmm ../boot/boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly..
[12:29] <llutz> BluesKaj: ../boot/boot/grub/stage2 ?? should be /boot/grub/stage2
[12:30] <darksoul_> YAYYYY!!!! AFTER 2 DAYS I MADE MY ATI RADEON DRIVERS INSTALLED
[12:31] <BluesKaj> sowhere do I fix that line , llutz?
[12:31] <llutz> BluesKaj: good question, next one please ;) sry no idea
[12:31] <llutz> BluesKaj: which prog gives you that error?
[12:38] <BluesKaj> I don't see the point of dumping windows to restore grub , when grub is broken and almosy impossible to fix in the first place
[12:38] <hasan> hi guys
[12:39] <dragonfordge> reinstall your linux
[12:39] <BluesKaj> i've restored grub in various ways , always with same outcome : "error 15 , file not found"
[12:39] <hasan> is there anybody who ahs achieved to sync his mobile phone with kubuntu?
[12:39] <hasan> mobile phone and kubuntu?
[12:39] <dragonfordge> will reload grub
[12:39] <hasan> do they go well with each other?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> dragonfordge, it's linux' fault that grub is broken after a synaptic update which broke it
[12:40] <dragonfordge> im running xp and umbuntu
[12:40] <BluesKaj> same here
[12:40] <dragonfordge> on the same drive
[12:40] <BluesKaj> same here
[12:40] <BluesKaj> :)
[12:40] <NickPresta> BluesKaj, I understand your frustration but I've yet to hear of this issue with any recent updates affecting anyone else. Perhaps your case is isolated.
[12:41] <dragonfordge> did have it on seprate drives at one time
[12:41] <BluesKaj> i've seen several complaints of the same problem ....so far no fixes
[12:41] <dragonfordge> win xp woulnt start with linux drive out
[12:41] <llutz> BluesKaj: can you paste your menu.lst please?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> ok, hangon
[12:43] <NickPresta> BluesKaj, I would think that if several people have this problem, a bug report or forum topic must have been created. If that is the case, then a bug fix should be along shortly. I suppose you will have to experiment a bit or wait for a solution...
[12:43] <dragonfordge> its the only way i know to reinstall grub
[12:43] <dragonfordge> hope so
[12:44] <GSF1200S> im kind of a speed whore guys.. any of you know of any superfast yet stable KDE distros to tinker with on the side?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> ok gents : http://www.pastebin.ca/568973
[12:44] <Syndicat3> Could someone please message me? I almost have beryl working....
[12:44] <c0rrupt> bah, i forgot who was helping me yesterday but i still cannot resolve my problems with the xserver locking up on boot
[12:45] <c0rrupt> used to work perfectly in v6, might be a problem with the xserver itself
[12:45] <llutz> BluesKaj: can you please paste "ls -l /" too
[12:45] <BluesKaj> NickPresta, I'm using supergrub disk to do a direct linux boot into kubuntu ...atleast that works
[12:45] <GSF1200S> Syndicat3.. whats not working
[12:45] <NickPresta> BluesKaj, may I whisper you?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> llutz, http://www.pastebin.ca/568976
[12:47] <BluesKaj> yes NickPresta ?
[12:47] <llutz> BluesKaj: the kernel-lines in menu.lst are broken
[12:48] <llutz> BluesKaj: kernel   /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-generic ....
[12:48] <llutz> BluesKaj: the path in your file is wrong, therefor: file not found
[12:49] <waylandbill> okay. I've used Kubuntu for 12 months now. Who can beat that?
[12:49] <GSF1200S> waylandbill.. ive used it for a month and I want a different KDE distro
[12:49] <BluesKaj> I'm close waylandbill
[12:49] <Arwen> hey guys, where can I get a keygen for Ubuntu?
[12:50] <waylandbill> Arwen: keygen.us ;)
[12:50] <Arwen> lol... that was a joke you know, lol
[12:51] <waylandbill> BluesKaj: how's the weather down under?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> up here you mean ...canada here ...bloody hot today :)
[12:52] <waylandbill> Arwen: of course. Are you a Lord of the Rings fan?
[12:52] <Arwen> waylandbill, na, LoTR is for British buggers :-)
[12:52] <cyberg7358> Hello from Tampa, Fl (New Ubuntu user)
[12:53] <waylandbill> BluesKaj: sorry thought you were an aussie. I must've confused you with someone else. ooops
[12:53] <llutz> BluesKaj: try this one http://www.pastebin.ca/568985
[12:53] <NickPresta> BluesKaj, I'm in Canada too. Where are you from?
[12:55] <darksoul_> is it possible to install direct x in wine?
[12:55] <dom> waylandbill,  I think my earlier Kubuntu disks are the 5.x discs, so that would be two years.  i think. i've definitely got a 5.10 disc here by i could've sworn i had a 5.04 too.  maybe not
[12:55] <snowdonkey> Hi, how do I see what my motherboard model is?
[12:55] <Arwen> darksoul_, well, you can use native dx libraries, but they won't necessarily work
[12:55] <Arwen> the end result is about the same though
[12:56] <waylandbill> darksoul_: nope. Wine inplements DX, but I think 9 is not fully done yet. 10 is supposed to be a step forward.
[12:56] <banksey> Can someone please tell me how to run RPm files, Would be greatly appricated :)
[12:57] <darksoul_> Arwen how do i do that?
[12:57] <eriefisher> Hello fellow Canadians
[12:57] <GSF1200S> banksey.. alien
[12:57] <Chousuke> banksey: As a precaution: don't run rpm files. the answer: alien
[12:57] <llutz> banksey: you can convert them with alien into .deb
[12:57] <Daisuke_Ido> why in god's name would you want to mess with rpms?
[12:57] <erichj> banksey: install fedora, rpm is a fedora thing
[12:57] <waylandbill> snowdonkey: Look for the FCC ID silk screened on the circuit boarf
[12:57] <GSF1200S> and that doesnt mean its going to go smoothly
[12:57] <darksoul_> waylandbill you are saying that i can try installing dx 9?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> I'm in a small town near Sudbury , NickPresta
[12:57] <Chousuke> darksoul_: no
[12:57] <Arwen> darksoul_, in winecfg, you can specify which libraries to override with native ones
[12:57] <Arwen> darksoul_, but no, you can not actually install DirectX
[12:58] <banksey> Thank you erichj
[12:58] <waylandbill> darksoul_: you cannot install DX9. Reverse engineering is getting to the point of implementing it.
[12:58] <Chousuke> darksoul_: direcx depends too much on core system components and hardware
[12:58] <Chousuke> darksoul_: wine implements its own version of directx9
[12:58] <snowdonkey> waylandbill Ok I will try, but no command to print motherboard information?  I'm just trying to figure out which drivers to download
[12:58] <Chousuke> darksoul_: if the app doesn't work with that, then your only option is to wait for them to fix the bugs
[12:58] <waylandbill> snowdonkey: the best is to physically look at it.
[12:59] <BluesKaj> NickPresta, where are you located?
[12:59] <Chousuke> darksoul_: dx9 is being worked on intensively, since many devs want game support, but don't expect too much too soon
[12:59] <snowdonkey> waylandbill: alright, thanks.
[12:59] <Chousuke> darksoul_: many games already work though.
[01:00] <banksey> Thanks all for help :)
[01:00] <darksoul_> i try to make lineage 2 work and i get You have triggered a bug in the DirectX 9.0 runtime. Please install DirectX 8.1b (or later) for a fix. See Release Notes for instructions on how to obtain it.
[01:01] <Chousuke> darksoul_: wine also has support for dx8.1
[01:01] <Chousuke> but it sounds like a bug
[01:01] <darksoul_> i got that but i do not know how i can fix it
[01:01] <Chousuke> check the app database if there's a fix or a workaround.
[01:01] <waylandbill> darksoul_: time is your solution. If you want submit a bug report to the proper developers
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> throw a little money in with it, greases the wheels :D
[01:02] <waylandbill> :)
[01:02] <Chousuke> the winehq site could use a redesign
[01:02] <NickPresta> BluesKaj, I'm in Toronto :P
[01:02] <Chousuke> I always spend a lot of time looking for the appdb link
[01:03] <BluesKaj> ok, I have 2 daughters living in toronto , NickPresta
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> it's the one on the left that says App DB
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> :P
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> but i agree, it's too cluttered
[01:03] <BluesKaj> NickPresta, where do i find the root partition indicator in the file ?
[01:04] <Chousuke> darksoul_: which version of lineage 2 is this?
[01:04] <Chousuke> darksoul_: the appdb says chronicle 4 works.
[01:05] <BluesKaj> well, I've done what ican so far
[01:06] <waylandbill> I wish I could chat more, but must sleep. Compute well without me.
[01:06] <darksoul_> Chousuke i have installed Lineage II Interlude i think it is c5 or c6
[01:06] <Chousuke> hmm
[01:06] <Chousuke> c5 is reported as nonworking
[01:07] <Chousuke> though with old versions
[01:13] <Syndi> what is that channel again
[01:13] <Syndi> ubuntu-effects?
[01:13] <Arwen> Syndi, yes
[01:13] <mark_> I'm trying to help my dad (via long distance) get his wireless network up and running. He's completely new to Linux so I suggessted kUbuntu. I had to use ndiswrapper to get my system setup. Can anyone reccommend a good web-page?
[01:13] <Syndi> nobody is there
[01:13] <Syndi> ;/
[01:13] <Syndi> in the channel...
[01:13] <Syndi> hmmm
[01:14] <Arwen> Syndi, your problem?
[01:14] <Syndi> nm
[01:14] <Syndi> oh
[01:14] <Syndi> ok
[01:14] <Syndi> i messed around with some settings
[01:14] <Syndi> in beryl
[01:14] <Syndi> i messed up the fire animation
[01:14] <Syndi> and i want it back to how it was
[01:15] <Arwen> Syndi, click the brush icons... they revert settings
[01:15] <snowdonkey> The Beryl install instructions page for Ubuntu appears only to be for Feisty?  Is it safe to use in Dapper?  The Dapper FAQ on the site is empty.  The isntall instructions are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Support_for_nVidia_cards
[01:15] <mark_> Also a bit of clarification... He finally gets it to "see" his device, but can't load up any websites. Also no response on commandline apt-get update. Any suggesstions?
[01:17] <ManiDhillon> !DVD
[01:17] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[01:18] <Syndi> thanks so much
[01:28] <VSpike> can anyone suggest a good lm-sensors display program for kde?
[01:33] <Dragnslcr> VSpike- KSensors is pretty good
[01:34] <VSpike> Dragnslcr: I can't remember why now, but I recall not liking it.. but I'll have another go, thanks
[01:35] <Dragnslcr> It's the only one I've found so far that's even remotely decent
[01:38] <yurimxpxman_> is there any way to change the K button image?
[01:39] <VSpike> Dragnslcr: is there any way to get anything other than those horrible gauges?
[01:40] <hasan> hi
[01:40] <hasan> how do i install arts
[01:40] <hasan> i try to use krec but it says
[01:40] <hasan> i lack arts what is that?
[01:40] <hasan> anybody has any idea?
[01:41] <hasan> your system missing synth_stereo_compressor
[01:41] <hasan> ???!!!!
[01:41] <VSpike> hasan: arts is a realtime sound mixer and synth
[01:41] <hasan> so
[01:41] <hasan> what do i have to install it ?
[01:41] <Arwen> arts is a daemon for sound control
[01:41] <hasan> is it a part of kdemultimedia package?
[01:42] <Arwen> hasan, try apt-get install arts
[01:42] <hasan> so how can i start it
[01:42] <hasan> ive already tried that
[01:42] <Arwen> "artsd"
[01:42] <hasan> sanitize
[01:42] <hasan> root@TrueFX:~# sudo artsd
[01:42] <hasan> Creating link /root/.kde/socket-TrueFX.
[01:42] <hasan> can't create mcop directory
[01:42] <hasan> root@TrueFX:~#
[01:42] <hasan> root@TrueFX:~#
[01:43] <Arwen> oh ho ho..
[01:43] <Arwen> try it without sudo
[01:43] <hasan> same result
[01:43] <hasan> ive done it also
[01:43] <hasan> :)
[01:43] <Arwen> hmm, no idea then
[01:43] <hasan> ok thx thought
[01:44] <hasan> though*
[01:44] <Daisuke_Ido> try not running as root.
[01:46] <Dragnslcr> VSpike- not that I've found
[02:00] <joyy> hi
[02:00] <joyy> why does kubuntu 7.04 see my ata as SCSI?
[02:00] <Arwen> because of a change in libatqa
[02:01] <Arwen> libata*
[02:01] <Arwen> everything's SCSI now
[02:01] <joyy> oh so it's not wrong?
[02:01] <joyy> what about the EFIboot? Is that ok too?
[02:01] <Arwen> no idea, I have a BIOS
[02:02] <joyy> I have too
[02:02] <joyy> I am talking about Kubuntu setting the boot partition as Efiboot
[02:02] <joyy> odd
[02:02] <Arwen> didn't you just say you had an EFI-based system?
[02:03] <rolnyzx_> does anybody have a bunch of firefox crashes with flash websites? to me it's really annoying, specially when I am downloading big files, and the transfers break
[02:03] <joyy> it's a Dell
[02:03] <joyy> no I didn't
[02:03] <joyy> i have ATA drives not SATA or SCSI
[02:04] <Arwen> yes.... didn't we already discuss the fact that all ATA drives are seen as SCSI now?
[02:04] <joyy> well you then mentioned something about Efi based system
[02:05] <Arwen> because you just mentioned efi boot...
[02:06] <joyy> oh man I was freaking out
[02:06] <joyy> I was gonna install ubuntu 6.10
[02:06] <joyy> another question
[02:06] <joyy> kubuntu is giving me a hard time to install LVM
[02:06] <Arwen> nah. as a side effect, it makes it easier to answer the noob question "omg, liek how do I mount partitions"
[02:06] <joyy> wussup with that?
[02:07] <Arwen> joyy, eh, don't know. I don't use LVM.
[02:07] <joyy> I set one logical volume and it takes FOREVER to set it
[02:07] <joyy> in Gentoo I finish the whole thing in a split of a second
[02:07] <joyy> is there a PURE command line install for Ubuntu?
[02:07] <joyy> that text based is stupid
[02:07] <Shock> joyy same happened to me too
[02:08] <joyy> then I doesn't understand that I WANT FUCKING ROOT in lvm
[02:08] <Shock> mine is in lvm
[02:08] <PriceChild> !ohmy | joyy
[02:08] <ubotu> joyy: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:08] <joyy> Shock, why, how did you do that?
[02:08] <joyy> when I set in root and I try to advance tells me STOP NO ROOT partition
[02:09] <joyy> PriceChild, sorry, this is really frustrating
[02:09] <Shock> try to build the ubuntu kernel, that's frustrating
[02:11] <joyy> Shock, what do you mean
[02:11] <joyy> since you alreayd are there, could you let me know the steps?
[02:11] <erichj> seeing your girlfriend for the first time in a month and not having protection, that
[02:11] <Shock> the kernel sources that you get with apt are messed up
[02:11] <erichj> is frustrating
[02:12] <rrs> anyone knows kopete and webcams?
[02:12] <Shock> the debian build system is incomplete
[02:12] <joyy> Shock, I am saying from  a virgin install
[02:12] <joyy> *mint install
[02:13] <Shock> you have to get the sources with git
[02:13] <ToddEDM2> hey, i got a problem with kubuntu freezing u, then working for about 2 seconds, then freezing up again..... anyone know a fix?
[02:13] <rrs> nobody using kopete with a webcam?
[02:13] <ToddEDM2> not me rrs
[02:13] <rrs> thans for answer
[02:13] <Shock> kopete? what's that?
[02:13] <ToddEDM2> msn
[02:13] <rrs> kopete is to connect to msn and others
[02:14] <Shock> kiddin'; apt-get remove --purge kopete
[02:14] <rrs> Todd you checked if a process uses all cpu?
[02:14] <Shock> that's what i did after the install
[02:14] <ToddEDM2> no rss , how?
[02:14] <joyy> ok so I'll do plan B, regular install within a tight space, leave an empty space for LVM.
[02:14] <rrs> with top
[02:15] <joyy> Once I install Kubuntu I set up LVM then move the directories
[02:15] <rrs> you know top?
[02:15] <joyy> or edit fstab
[02:15] <joyy> will that work?
[02:15] <ToddEDM2> nope, im new, just installed this last night
[02:15] <Shock> joyy: what's the error you get?
[02:15] <joyy> I am kinda desperate
[02:15] <rrs> ahh ok you know how to open a console window?
[02:15] <ToddEDM2> yup i got one open
[02:15] <joyy> doesn't let me go on after I am set with the partitions 'cause I don't have a / one
[02:15] <rrs> ok, then write "top" into it
[02:15] <rrs> and enter
[02:15] <joyy> and I do have root in lvm
[02:16] <Shock> joyy: describe the steps
[02:16] <Shock> can you make a picture of the installer showing the root partition?
[02:17] <Shock>  /dev/mapper/vg0-root on / type reiserfs (rw)
[02:17] <rrs> and does it show a process   that uses all cpu?
[02:17] <ToddEDM2> no
[02:17] <Shock> that's my baby
[02:17] <ToddEDM2> ohhh wait
[02:17] <ToddEDM2> lol top is using 104%
[02:18] <joyy> Shock, during the initial install?
[02:18] <rrs> omg?
[02:18] <joyy> or after I've the reglar installation?
[02:18] <Shock> joyy: yes
[02:18] <ToddEDM2> ok, hold on
[02:18] <Shock> ToddEDM2: type ctrl-esc
[02:18] <ToddEDM2> hald-addon-stor
[02:18] <Shock> that should bring up ksysguard
[02:18] <ToddEDM2> using 100
[02:18] <rrs> ok you can quit top by pressing q
[02:19] <rrs> I guess you have  a decent machine?
[02:19] <rrs> what cpu / comp you have
[02:19] <ToddEDM2> its a new acer laptop
[02:19] <ToddEDM2> turion64x2
[02:19] <rrs> k, and it works well with windows i guess
[02:19] <Shock> runninf feisty?
[02:19] <ToddEDM2> 1 gig ram
[02:20] <ToddEDM2> yeah
[02:20] <ToddEDM2> yes feisty
[02:20] <rrs> 64 bit feisty?
[02:20] <rrs> or 32 bit
[02:20] <ToddEDM2> 32
[02:20] <joyy> Shock, how did you manage installing LVM?
[02:20] <joyy> did you do a clean install?
[02:20] <rrs> ok
[02:20] <ToddEDM2> yes
[02:20] <ToddEDM2> windows is off my machine aswell
[02:20] <rrs> how long does a boot take
[02:21] <rrs> is it specially slow?
[02:21] <ToddEDM2> not too long, about normal
[02:21] <ToddEDM2> nope
[02:21] <rrs> k
[02:21] <rrs> so you can log in and work but it stall
[02:21] <rrs> s
[02:21] <rrs> sometimes
[02:21] <ToddEDM2> it actually did this when i had ubuntu installed too
[02:21] <ToddEDM2> now i have kde
[02:22] <rrs> k
[02:22] <Shock> ToddEDM2: put a dvd into the drive
[02:22] <ToddEDM2> one is in it
[02:22] <rrs> where there other process using a lot of cpu ? (in top)
[02:22] <Shock> joyy: yes,, clean install using alternate
[02:22] <ToddEDM2> nope
[02:22] <rrs> it may have to do with some cpu speed adjusting
[02:23] <rrs> hmmm
[02:23] <ToddEDM2> i have a theory, it might be when i was screwing with the transparencies of the windows and crap...
[02:23] <rrs> ok good to know
[02:24] <rrs> but you said you did a clean install to kubuntu
[02:24] <ToddEDM2> yup
[02:24] <rrs> and you had the same problem with ubuntu
[02:24] <joyy> hey Beryl work with GeForce 8600?
[02:24] <Shock> ToddEDM2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/75295
[02:24] <joyy> I've got that one
[02:24] <ToddEDM2> yes rrs same problem
[02:24] <rrs> joy.... beryl works
[02:24] <Shock> ToddEDM2: check that thread, it looks like the same behavior
[02:24] <rrs> i got it
[02:25] <julius> if i need to load the module with certain options from bootup how do i do that?
[02:25] <julius> like the default parameters are incorrect
[02:26] <rolnyzx_> is there anyway to have tabs in kde windows like in fluxbox?
[02:26] <rrs> this thread seems to show some work arounds
[02:26] <ToddEDM2> cool.. im reading
[02:26] <rrs> hey todd is the dvd still in the cd tray?
[02:27] <rrs> if yes take it out first
[02:27] <OptimusRex> Good morning everyone. Is there anyone who knows how to get 3ddesk to work with the keyboard shortcuts I want to set?
[02:28] <rrs> hey optimus
[02:28] <rrs> i did this be4 i used beryl
[02:28] <ToddEDM2> rrsyeah i took it out
[02:28] <rrs> so there is nothing in you cdbay
[02:29] <rrs> or you just removed it now?
[02:29] <rrs> because in the thread they talk about cdrom problem
[02:29] <rrs> rmmod ide_cd
[02:29] <rrs>  rmmod cdrom
[02:29] <OptimusRex> rrs. I don't understand
[02:29] <ToddEDM2> i just took it out after you asked before
[02:30] <rrs> ok... is it the same behavour now of kubuntu?
[02:30] <Shock> rolnyzx_: not that i know of
[02:30] <rrs> (does it still freeze)
[02:30] <ToddEDM2> yeah, worse
[02:31] <OptimusRex> Has anyone tried the 3ddesk?
[02:31] <ToddEDM2> im restarting (im a windows user ) lol
[02:31] <Shock> ToddEDM2: what kernel are you on?
[02:31] <rrs> ok try what they propose in the thread.... open a console and disable following modules
[02:31] <rrs> rmmod ide_cd
[02:31] <rrs>  rmmod cdrom
[02:31] <ToddEDM2> shock, i just downloaded it so whatever is newest
[02:31] <rrs> you must be root for that
[02:32] <Shock> ToddEDM2: do "uname -r" in a terminal
[02:32] <ToddEDM2> ok im getting this thing booted up again
[02:33] <OptimusRex> Anyone there with any experience on 3ddesk?
[02:33] <rrs> hey todd
[02:33] <rrs> I found something
[02:33] <rrs> add noapic nolapic
[02:33] <rrs> to the kernel
[02:33] <Shock> when you boot
[02:33] <rrs> I renember now I had once something similar
[02:34] <rrs> yes optimus me
[02:34] <rrs> but I quickly finis help todd
[02:34] <OptimusRex> thanks rrs
[02:34] <rrs> Todd your there?
[02:34] <rrs> or is he rebooting now?
[02:34] <ToddEDM2> ok i got a terminl up
[02:35] <Shock> hey guys does kubuntu drop in text mode from splash on boot when checking and mounting filesystems?
[02:35] <rrs> you know what is grub todd?
[02:35] <ToddEDM2> 2.6.20-16-generic
[02:35] <rrs> as you said todd a decent one
[02:35] <ToddEDM2> grub.. i have heard of it
[02:35] <rrs> ok grub is launching your kubuntu
[02:36] <rrs> so you must add some kernel parameters to grub
[02:36] <ToddEDM2> ok
[02:36] <rrs> open a console then become root
[02:36] <rrs> sudo su -
[02:36] <ToddEDM2> k
[02:37] <rrs> then do "vim /boot/brub/menu.lst"
[02:37] <rrs> then do "vim /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[02:37] <rrs> sorry
[02:37] <rrs> the 2nd line
[02:37] <ToddEDM2> ok done
[02:38] <rrs> now you use the arrows and you go down
[02:38] <ToddEDM2> its all on one page
[02:38] <rrs> and you search the line of your actual kernel
[02:38] <ToddEDM2> ok
[02:38] <rrs> it starts like.... title .... Ubuntu blabla
[02:40] <rrs> you found it?
[02:40] <ToddEDM2> not really
[02:40] <ToddEDM2> lol
[02:41] <rrs> ok you scroll down in the file right?
[02:41] <rrs> go all down to the bottom
[02:41] <ToddEDM2> duh.. yea i found it
[02:41] <rrs> with the down arrow
[02:42] <rrs> ok now look for the line
[02:42] <rrs> "/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-generic"
[02:42] <rrs> or similar
[02:42] <ToddEDM2> k
[02:43] <rrs> in front it says "kernel"
[02:44] <rrs> and then "/boot/vmlinuz....
[02:44] <ToddEDM2> yup
[02:44] <joyy> isn't there an ubuntu LVM guide?
[02:44] <rrs> ok now you will see you have different entries
[02:44] <joyy> how are users supposed to install it then?
[02:44] <joyy> by doing magic?
[02:44] <rrs> this are the entries which you see when you boot linux
[02:44] <joyy> this is retarded
[02:44] <ToddEDM2> yeah
[02:44] <rrs> good
[02:45] <ToddEDM2> i have 4
[02:45] <ToddEDM2> 5 sorry
[02:45] <rrs> go with the cursor to the "kernel" line which represent your current kernel
[02:45] <ToddEDM2> ok
[02:45] <rrs> probably it is the first
[02:45] <ToddEDM2> yup
[02:45] <rrs> after "savedefault"
[02:45] <rrs> ok
[02:45] <rrs> now I explain you what all is about
[02:46] <rrs> I found this in a thread:
[02:46] <rrs> i added the noapic acpi=noirq to my boot option and it done the job for me
[02:46] <rrs> here's a list of other options that might be useful and a little howto i followed to do this
[02:46] <rrs> => we try now to add thouse boot options to your kernel
[02:46] <ToddEDM2> ok
[02:46] <rrs> it seems ubuntu have problems in combination with some mainboards
[02:47] <rrs> so go with your cursor at the end of the kernel line
[02:47] <rrs> it should say something like " ro single"
[02:47] <rrs> at the end of the "kernel" line
[02:48] <ToddEDM2> ro quiet
[02:48] <rrs> yea
[02:48] <ToddEDM2> ro quiet splash
[02:48] <rrs> ro stands for READ ONLY
[02:48] <rrs> "quiet" means it does not show you details on start
[02:48] <ToddEDM2> ok
[02:49] <rrs> and "splash" means it shows you an immage
[02:49] <rrs> now we will add the needed parameters
[02:49] <rrs> so are you with your cursor on the "h" of splash?
[02:49] <ToddEDM2> yup
[02:49] <rrs> now you press the letter "i" for insert
[02:50] <rrs> then you mace a "space"
[02:50] <rrs> make
[02:50] <rrs> and you type
[02:50] <rrs> noapic acpi=noirq
[02:50] <rrs> after the space
[02:51] <rrs> your line should then look like:
[02:51] <rrs> kernel blablabla.... ro quiet splash  noapic acpi=noirq
[02:51] <ToddEDM2> yup
[02:52] <rrs> ok now you press "esc"
[02:52] <rrs> then you press the following 3 keys:
[02:52] <rrs> ":wq"
[02:52] <rrs> ":" stands for go to vim menu
[02:53] <rrs> "wq" stands for "write quit"
[02:53] <rrs> then press enter
[02:53] <ToddEDM2> ok
[02:53] <rrs> and you are back on the console
[02:53] <ToddEDM2> yup, as root
[02:53] <rrs> ok
[02:53] <rrs> now we check if you did write the right thing
[02:54] <ToddEDM2> lol
[02:54] <rrs> type following on your console
[02:54] <rrs> hehe you see... always double check
[02:54] <rrs> cat /boot/grub/menu.lst |grep kernel
[02:55] <rrs> what does it say
[02:55] <rrs> ?
[02:56] <rrs> are you there?
[02:56] <Minataku> You melted his brain
[02:56] <ToddEDM2> haha
[02:56] <rrs> lol
[02:56] <Minataku> And why the hell are you telling him to use vi?
[02:56] <ToddEDM2> my terminal closed on me
[02:56] <Minataku> nano, man
[02:56] <OptimusRex> these things happen. Lol
[02:56] <rrs> its easier to conrol
[02:56] <rrs> hehe
[02:56] <Minataku> ToddEDM2: Next time, use "nano -w whateverfileitisyou'reworkingon"
[02:57] <Minataku> rrs: The crap it is
[02:57] <joyy> lvm anyone?
[02:57] <OptimusRex> Good night guys. Catch up with u guys tomorrow
[02:57] <rrs> ok reopen the console
[02:57] <ToddEDM2> so yeah rrs, its all in there
[02:57] <rrs> and show me the output of cat
[02:57] <rrs> ok
[02:57] <FFForever> hi :D, i run kubuntu 7.10 and when i press mute it says my system is mute but amarok is still playing music
[02:57] <rrs> show me the line please
[02:57] <rrs> with noapic
[02:57] <Minataku> rrs: I tend to discard the output of cat... it doesn't look good
[02:57] <Minataku> Nor does it smell good
[02:58] <Minataku> No value, either, just nasty stuff in all
[02:58] <rrs> wait... you probably do not know how to copy paste
[02:58] <rrs> never mind
[02:58] <rrs> just control it
[02:58] <FFForever> does mute no longer mean mute?
[02:58] <rrs> if you think it is ok
[02:58] <rrs> then you reboot
[02:59] <ToddEDM2> i will reboot, if its messed up i can always re install
[02:59] <rrs> it is not meesed up
[02:59] <ToddEDM2> ok
[02:59] <rrs> we just added 2 parameter
[02:59] <rrs> they will do no harm
[02:59] <FFForever> also i try changing the volume but it does not change sound level on what is playing...
[03:00] <rrs> they will only turn off 2 settings
[03:00] <rrs> of the kernel
[03:00] <ToddEDM2> ok cool
[03:00] <rrs> copy this link: http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2007/05/feisty-freeze-part-ii-still-not-making.html
[03:00] <Minataku> FFForever: It's probably ARTS
[03:00] <Minataku> Try changing it through KMix instead
[03:00] <FFForever> arts?
[03:00] <rrs> ok Todd
[03:01] <rrs> I hope it helped you
[03:01] <Minataku> Asshole ReTard Sound
[03:01] <Minataku> (Not real expansion)
[03:01] <Minataku> lol
[03:01] <BluesKaj> my grub is totally out to lunch after the so called kernel upgrade ... error 15 again , file still not found after various tries
[03:01] <ToddEDM2> yes rrs?
[03:01] <Minataku> It's this idiot audio middleman crap that KDE uses
[03:01] <ToddEDM2> yes thanks alot man
[03:01] <FFForever> the sound keys on my kb make the kmix thingie come up and it says it is at 30%, but if i make it higher or lower it has no affect in amarok
[03:01] <FFForever> or even youtube....
[03:01] <rrs> you are welcome
[03:02] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Yipe. Time to bust out the LiveCD
[03:02] <rrs> I hope it solves your problem, but I am confident
[03:02] <rrs> cya
[03:02] <Minataku> FFForever: Then it's not actually changing it
[03:02] <ToddEDM2> i really appreciate it, i hope it works, so my linux experience is good , and i dont have to go back to windows all frustrated
[03:02] <Minataku> Try changing it with the mouse
[03:02] <FFForever> i opened the kmix and master is changing
[03:02] <BluesKaj> Minataku, no warnings at all
[03:02] <FFForever> it goes up and down...
[03:02] <rrs> dont give up at the beginning
[03:02] <rrs> we all were once frustrated
[03:02] <rrs> hehe
[03:02] <ToddEDM2> lol
[03:02] <rrs> but with windows you are always frustrated ;-)
[03:02] <Minataku> FFForever: It's probably not altering the card's mixer controls
[03:02] <rrs> cya
[03:02] <Minataku> Uh, lemme think
[03:03] <Minataku> !info alsamixer
[03:03] <ubotu> Package alsamixer does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:03] <FFForever> if i mute the one with the blue lines it mutes amarok...
[03:03] <rrs> is the 3ddesk guy still here?
[03:03] <Minataku> FFForever: Try running alsamixer
[03:03] <Minataku> See if that exists, it should
[03:03] <Minataku> If it doesn't, I'm gonna go kick someone in the nuts
[03:03] <FFForever> do i need 2 report this as a bug in the goblin?
[03:03] <Minataku> No
[03:04] <rrs> good... the 3ddesk guy left... :o) ... was a boring problem anyway
[03:04] <Minataku> rrs: Haha
[03:04] <ToddEDM2> haha
[03:04] <Minataku> That's the way
[03:04] <ToddEDM2> i was hoping to hear it :(
[03:04] <ToddEDM2> but i wont push my luck... hehe
[03:04] <rrs> high-fives back
[03:04] <Graham> Hey, does anybody know what I need to do to add XGL as a session option?
[03:04] <BluesKaj> rrs , i have grub prob as well, seems like the link is lost
[03:04] <rrs> yes I know Graham
[03:05] <Graham> rrs: Would you please tell me.
[03:05] <ToddEDM2> haha
[03:05] <rrs> you have kubuntu or ubuntu?
[03:06] <Minataku> I love the location field of the ROM boot disk of the Macintosh Classic: "hiding somewhere inside this machine"
[03:06] <Minataku> XD
[03:07] <Graham> Umm... Kubuntu
[03:07] <BluesKaj> <--kubuntu
[03:07] <rrs> ok Graham... here is the link: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/86408/
[03:07] <banksey> Anyone tell me why my comp logs off when I run Cadega :D
[03:08] <Arwen> banksey, Cedega is crashing your X server
[03:08] <Graham> rrs: Thanks mate.
[03:08] <Arwen> go read your logs
[03:08] <rrs> there it is all described
[03:08] <rrs> your welcome
[03:08] <banksey> Kk ty
[03:08] <rrs> where is the lvm guy
[03:08] <rrs> still here?
[03:08] <rrs> GIVE ME MORE UNSOLVABLE PROBLEMS!!!!!
[03:09] <rrs> ;o)
[03:09] <ToddEDM2> haha
[03:09] <ToddEDM2> rrs, your on fire tonight!!!!
[03:09] <Graham> rrs: I wouldn't say that too loudly in here :)
[03:09] <rrs> lol
[03:09] <ToddEDM2> <--- newbs are lurking in here
[03:09] <rrs> you know guys... I am bored since I use Kubuntu... everything works
[03:10] <BluesKaj> pk rrs , i did ask you a question a while back
[03:10] <Graham> Neway, Ima go test it. brb
[03:10] <rrs> maybe I switch back to Windows
[03:10] <Graham> Wait not yet
[03:10] <rrs> what was the the question
[03:10] <rrs> blues
[03:10] <BluesKaj> rrs , error 15 , file not found - GRUB
[03:11] <rrs> ahhh
[03:11] <rrs> this is an old one
[03:11] <BluesKaj> thing is it happened after a kernel upgrade
[03:11] <rrs> ok
[03:11] <rrs> let me think
[03:12] <rrs> go to a console
[03:12] <BluesKaj> with no warnings about overwriting
[03:12] <rrs> and become root
[03:12] <rrs> or does it not start at all?
[03:12] <rrs> probably you can not start your linux right?
[03:12] <BluesKaj> it's ther it just erro15s
[03:13] <rrs> ok... so I understand you did a kernel update then after this
[03:13] <rrs> boot stops at err 15 message?
[03:13] <BluesKaj> I start it with a direct linux boot with supergrub disk
[03:13] <BluesKaj> yes boot stops at error 15
[03:13] <Minataku> Hm
[03:14] <rrs> ok
[03:14] <BluesKaj> i'm in kubuntu
[03:14] <Minataku> BluesKaj: It probably left something out, just update /boot/grub/menu.lst manually
[03:14] <rrs> try this
[03:14] <Minataku> What is Error 15 exactly?
[03:14] <rrs> you use a ubuntu live cd
[03:14] <BluesKaj> yeah Minataku , butwhat ?
[03:14] <rrs> 15 = file not found
[03:14] <Minataku> BluesKaj: The kernel images are all in /boot
[03:15] <rrs> it means that there is probably a misstipping in grub
[03:15] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Tell me the files in /boot
[03:15] <Minataku> But yeah, it sounds like something didn't complete or someone made a nasty gaffe
[03:15] <BluesKaj> no I'm in my installed partition, but i need the supergrub disk to boot directly into it...I prefer to restore grub to an operative statr ..if you know what i mean
[03:16] <secleinteer> hi, i'm getting scratchy audio in vlc, but not in amarok/kaffeine or any of the kde apps. does anyone know how to fix this?
[03:16] <Minataku> BluesKaj: That's what I'm trying to help you do
[03:16] <Minataku> Now tell me the files in /boot
[03:16] <rrs> well BluesKaj... do what Minataku propose you
[03:16] <Minataku> Pastebin it
[03:16] <rrs> he can only help you if you do what he says.....
[03:16] <Minataku> Then pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:16] <Minataku> I'll try and fix it for you
[03:18] <BluesKaj> hangon
[03:18] <Minataku> k
[03:18] <eriefisher> BluesKaj:grub is not broke,it cant find the kernel
[03:18] <Minataku> eriefisher: Got it under control
[03:18] <eriefisher> can you select another kernel from the list
[03:18] <eriefisher> sorry
[03:19] <Minataku> s'ok
[03:19] <BluesKaj> http://www.pastebin.ca/569164
[03:20] <Minataku> Now I need the list of files in /boot
[03:20] <BluesKaj> where do i go for that
[03:20] <Minataku> ...
[03:20] <Minataku> ls /boot
[03:20] <BluesKaj> ok
[03:21] <Minataku> Please, retain your basic thought processes
[03:21] <Minataku> :P
[03:22] <BluesKaj> http://www.pastebin.ca/569178
[03:22] <BluesKaj> <--- a bit frustrated and pi**ed off
[03:23] <BluesKaj> eriefisher, to me it's broken if it doesn't do what it's supposed to do
[03:23] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Yeah, and the fact that this file should work only pisses us both off
[03:24] <Minataku> There's nothing I can see wrong with this file
[03:25] <smiwool> hola
[03:25] <Minataku> !es | smiwool
[03:25] <ubotu> smiwool: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:25] <Minataku> :3
[03:25] <smiwool> gracias
[03:25] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Yeah, this file is fine, there's no reason it should be failing.
[03:25] <Minataku> smiwool: De nada
[03:26] <Minataku> BluesKaj: The Error 15
[03:26] <Minataku> Is it before the menu comes up?
[03:26] <FFForever> back sorry laptop died
[03:26] <Minataku> Or when you try to boot an entry?
[03:26] <FFForever> so how do i make  master control them all....
[03:26] <FFForever> master is not affecting the wave....
[03:26] <Minataku> I gotta say, I "love" how Kubuntu doesn't save the old kernel as a backup
[03:26] <FFForever> it does...
[03:26] <Minataku> That's incredibly "smart" and a "good idea"
[03:26] <normal> hi, i'm a novice, how do i install xmms, and play dvd in my system?
[03:27] <FFForever> i have 3 kernels....
[03:27] <Minataku> It doesn't seem to for BluesKaj
[03:27] <Minataku> Unless he deleted the old one
[03:27] <BluesKaj> ok Minataku BTW i did try the grub reinstall with the live cd but the the so called "not partitioning " and just installing grub instead of the whole OS didn't work for me either ...either i misread the instructions or my mind is kinda thick today
[03:27] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Heh
[03:27] <FFForever> can i install grub 4m windows?
[03:27] <Minataku> I think we both need some time away, this is confusing me
[03:28] <FFForever> (vista)
[03:28] <rrs> Hey Blues
[03:28] <BluesKaj> no the rror come when choosing the kernel in the grub menu
[03:28] <Minataku> There's no reason this file should fail to boot the kernel
[03:28] <BluesKaj> comes up
[03:28] <Minataku> None at all
[03:28] <BluesKaj> hi rrs
[03:28] <rrs> is your /etc/fstab pointing to the right place?
[03:28] <rrs> of root?
[03:28] <Minataku> That's all I can think, the mapping is bad
[03:28] <Minataku> It changed somehow
[03:29] <FFForever> anyways how do i fix my sound problem?
[03:29] <Minataku> But I don't know
[03:29] <Minataku> FFForever: I have no clue, sorry
[03:29] <FFForever> so i do report this as a bug?
[03:29] <FFForever> in the new 7.10?
[03:29] <rrs> Blues?
[03:29] <BluesKaj> i can't read fstab worth sh*t so i'll let you guys look at it if you don't mind
[03:29] <Minataku> FFForever: Just hang around and ask again in, like, 30 or 60 minutes
[03:30] <FFForever> kk
[03:30] <Minataku> fstab probably won't help
[03:30] <rrs> ok show it
[03:30] <Minataku> GRUB doesn't care about it
[03:30] <Minataku> GRUB has it's internal mapping system
[03:30] <rrs> I know
[03:30] <FFForever> also when i start xchat (after upgrading my system from 7.04 to 7.10) i get this..., Couldn't connect to session bus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session
[03:30] <Minataku> Remember, it's previous to Linux booting
[03:30] <rrs> but let me check something
[03:30] <Minataku> k
[03:31] <Minataku> http://www.pastebin.ca/569164 http://www.pastebin.ca/569178 << rrs
[03:31] <Minataku> His menu.lst and files in /boot
[03:31] <Minataku> Respectively
[03:31] <Minataku> I'll hand this off to you
[03:31] <BluesKaj> here's my fstab file : http://www.pastebin.ca/569194
[03:31] <Minataku> I'm stumped
[03:31] <Arwen> FFForever, well, whatcha using 7.10 for? it's not working yet.
[03:31] <rrs> thanks
[03:31] <Minataku> And you seem to have an idea all the same
[03:32] <Minataku> Yeah, when they say "unstable" around here, it's literal
[03:32] <FFForever> it boots does it not :D
[03:32] <FFForever> if it boots then it is working XD
[03:32] <FFForever> everything else is just extra XD
[03:32] <Minataku> Because they can't get their sh*t together until it's been some 6 months or so
[03:32] <Minataku> It's the price of simplicity
[03:32] <FFForever> + if ppl like me don't run/test the new stuff how do they know what is broken
[03:33] <Pollywog> FFForever: you do use a "spare" machine for the unstable stuff, right?
[03:33] <Zabulus> alright, this may not be the right spot since im on my windows partition, but i need some help with dvd burner issues
[03:33] <FFForever> no :)
[03:33] <rrs> erm... are you sure this is the fstab of your UBUNTU???
[03:33] <FFForever> i only have 2 systems :)
[03:33] <Minataku> Heh, I use Gentoo with keyword ~x86
[03:33] <FFForever> my server and my laptop
[03:33] <Pollywog> if you only have one machine, don't do it unless you have a separate partition, otherwise you have to like living dangerously
[03:33] <Pollywog> ;)
[03:33] <rrs> Blues?
[03:34] <Minataku> rrs: It looks kinda like a Kubuntu fstab
[03:34] <FFForever> i live dangerous all the time
[03:34] <Minataku> If a little goofy
[03:34] <Minataku> But then I have a nice, clean fstab
[03:34] <rrs> yes but look at the hda1 entry
[03:34] <Minataku> That was the goofy part
[03:34] <Minataku> lol
[03:34] <Minataku> Woah
[03:34] <Minataku> It's even goofier looking than I thought O.O
[03:35] <Minataku> BluesKaj: What the hell did you do?
[03:35] <FFForever> hda1 is vista, hda2 is xp, hda3 is 2k, hda4 is 98, and hda4 is 3.11, lastly hda5 is kubuntu
[03:35] <rrs> it is messed up
[03:35] <Minataku> It looks like a damn bomb went off inside your fstab
[03:35] <rrs> I see no root entry
[03:35] <FFForever> hda5 is 3.11, 6 is kubutu*
[03:35] <Arwen> FFForever, lol, that's a lot of Windows...
[03:35] <Zabulus> and why the hell do you still have 3.11?
[03:35] <Minataku> Huh, you're right
[03:35] <rrs> grub is starting correctly... minataku you checked that
[03:36] <Arwen> Zabulus, nostalgia? :-)
[03:36] <rrs> after thet fstab is loaded
[03:36] <justasking> i was kind of hoping that it would select the proper hard drive and it would setup the hard drive automaticly but I am having to setup the hard drive manually, anyone know out of 97.65 how much should be root how much should be ext3 and how much swap?
[03:36] <rrs> and boooom
[03:36] <Minataku> rrs: How the fu*k is that even a running Linux system !?
[03:36] <FFForever> hdh has like 7 different linux distros
[03:36] <rrs> it is not
[03:36] <rrs> hehe
[03:36] <Minataku> Heh
[03:36] <FFForever> hdb*
[03:36] <rrs> he boots with subergrub
[03:36] <Minataku> Yeah, that's totally goofed up
[03:36] <Zabulus> the only reason i would have nostalgia for 3.11 was because we had doom 2 on ours
[03:36] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Somebody set up you the bomb
[03:37] <FFForever> on hdb i have ubuntu 6.04, suse, gentoo, mepis, dream linux, and a few others :D
[03:37] <rrs> are you there BluesKaj?
[03:37] <rrs> we found your problem
[03:37] <FFForever> do i have enough?
[03:37] <Minataku> justasking: Make swap as much as it takes to fill out RAM to 4GB
[03:37] <Minataku> Unless it's greater than 2GB
[03:37] <Minataku> justasking: How much RAM do you have?
[03:37] <Minataku> Physical, that is
[03:38] <Minataku> rrs: Heh
[03:38] <Minataku> Good thought asking for the fstab
[03:38] <Minataku> Someone blenderized that thing
[03:38] <rrs> you controlled what I have thought first too
[03:38] <Minataku> Heh
[03:38] <justasking> minataku: what do you mean? i have 1gig of ram installed.. so are you saying i should have a swap of 1gig or 4?
[03:38] <rrs> then I thougth it must be later in booting
[03:38] <Minataku> justasking: Make it 2GB
[03:38] <Zabulus> alright, lets see who can help, running windows part right now, but w/e, i have 2 dvd burners in my computer, seperate ide cables, both set as master
[03:38] <Minataku> That's what I have
[03:39] <Zabulus> but one of them doesnt like for me to access it, any ideas?
[03:39] <rrs> *wants a beer too"
[03:39] <justasking> minataku: and I only need 1 swap?
[03:39] <Minataku> 1GB physical, 2GB swap for a total of 3GB virtual
[03:39] <Minataku> justasking: 2GB swap
[03:39] <rrs> Hey Blues... do not tell us you left...
[03:39] <ToddEDM2> rrs i will drink one for you
[03:39] <Minataku> Traditional rule of thumb is 2x physical
[03:39] <rrs> oh... that is so fucking kind
[03:39] <rrs> !!!
[03:40] <rrs> grrr
[03:40] <BluesKaj> i have 1G swap and it never seems to get any action :)
[03:40] <rrs> Blues
[03:40] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Somebody set up you the bomb
[03:40] <rrs> we found your probelm
[03:40] <Zabulus> 2 x physical? damn, i just added 3 gigs of ram -_-
[03:40] <rrs> are you interessted in the solution?
[03:40] <Minataku> Your /etc/fstab is bombed
[03:40] <Minataku> Zabulus: Up to 4GB total virtual
[03:40] <ToddEDM2> BOOM
[03:40] <Minataku> 4GB physical RAM, 0 swap
[03:40] <Zabulus> whatever, i had it set to 1 gig i think
[03:40] <BluesKaj> uhoh ...so now what ..rrs ?
[03:40] <rrs> i guess his keyboard is stuck too
[03:40] <Minataku> Heh
[03:41] <rrs> ok
[03:41] <ToddEDM2> hey rrs, when i get back from getting some booze, will you help me with my nvidia drivers?
[03:41] <rrs> we must rebuild it
[03:41] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Fix your fstab manually
[03:41] <rrs> yea
[03:41] <rrs> I will
[03:41] <ToddEDM2> thanks man
[03:41] <Minataku> Cool, thanks, rrs
[03:41] <ToddEDM2> bbiab
[03:41] <Minataku> I'll sit here and groove to some Funk remixes
[03:41] <Minataku> If I'm not out of them already
[03:41] <rrs> ok blues... we need to    know what is your root fs
[03:41] <Minataku> I think I've got one or two left
[03:41] <Minataku> lol
[03:42] <rrs> hehe
[03:42] <Minataku> For great justice, take off every /dev/zig
[03:42] <Minataku> XD
[03:42] <rrs> ok blues
[03:42] <rrs> are you with me?
[03:43] <rrs> huhu?
[03:43] <Minataku> rrs: Don't be too impatient
[03:43] <Minataku> He's probably been drinking
[03:43] <Minataku> XD
[03:43] <rrs> yea you a right.. it takes a long time to say.... yes... i am with you lol
[03:43] <Minataku> After all this, who would blame him, right? X3
[03:43] <rrs> lol
[03:43] <BluesKaj> nope, just looking for root in the fstab file
[03:43] <Minataku> Don't bother
[03:43] <rrs> ahh
[03:43] <Zabulus> so where should i go for help with dvd burners?
[03:43] <VHockey86> can anyone fathom what could possibly cause a ps/2 keyboard to not work in kunbutu 7.04? I just did a fresh install from 6.06 to 7.04 and my keyboard goes dead halfway through booting
[03:43] <Minataku> Your fstab is toast
[03:43] <rrs> there is no root
[03:44] <rrs> this your probelm
[03:44] <Minataku> Delete it
[03:44] <Minataku> Start a new one
[03:44] <rrs> we make a new one
[03:44] <Minataku> Well... yeah, delete it, backing it up really won't help here
[03:44] <Minataku> lol
[03:44] <BluesKaj> selectall &delete ?
[03:44] <rrs> can you do it on your own?
[03:44] <rrs> yes
[03:44] <rrs> it is toas
[03:44] <rrs> t
[03:45] <BluesKaj> ok blank
[03:45] <rrs> ok
[03:45] <Minataku> Like I said, someone set up your fstab the bomb
[03:45] <rrs> now we need to know where you installed your /
[03:45] <Minataku> For great justice, take off evert /dev/zig
[03:45] <Minataku> *every
[03:45] <rrs> do you have feisty?
[03:45] <gon> !stepmania
[03:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stepmania - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:45] <rrs> (because feisty has only sdx )
[03:46] <BluesKaj> hda2 ext3
[03:46] <Bearcat> hey folks. I'm trying to get a scanner working When i use the 7.04 desktop cd kooka discovers my scanner. When i try to use this installed 7.04 distro it does not. I've tried deleting the kookarc file and letting it autogen. What else can i try?
[03:46] <rrs> but I guess you have 6.xx
[03:46] <rrs> ok
[03:46] <rrs> now put following lines
[03:46] <rrs> # <file system>                 <mount point>   <type>          <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[03:46] <rrs> proc                            /proc           proc            defaults        0       0
[03:46] <rrs> wait
[03:46] <rrs> i make it on pastbin
[03:47] <BluesKaj> xsane image scanner , Bearcat
[03:47] <BluesKaj> rrs, we can pm
[03:48] <rrs> http://www.pastebin.ca/569214
[03:48] <Bearcat> BluesKaj: Thanks. I'd like to get kooka working, but i think i remember that sane is a dependancy of kooka
[03:49] <rrs> you pasted it Blues?
[03:49] <rrs> after that we must check something
[03:49] <BluesKaj> yup, just the 3 lines ?
[03:49] <rrs> yes it is ok to boot
[03:50] <rrs> but now we must adjust your menu.lst
[03:50] <rrs> it must point also to /dev/hda2
[03:50] <rrs> you know how to do?
[03:50] <rrs> or I asist?
[03:51] <ManiDhillon> !wine
[03:51] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:51] <BluesKaj> rrs : kernel	/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro ?
[03:52] <rrs> Blues... do yo not have your Kernel Images in boot?
[03:52] <rrs> do you have a separate fs for boot?
[03:53] <rrs> if not it should read
[03:53] <BluesKaj> no
[03:53] <rrs> kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro
[03:53] <Zabulus> need help with dvd burner issues, anyone wanna try and help?
[03:53] <rrs> ok when the kernel is in / or you have a sep partition for boot then you can put as you said
[03:53] <rrs> if not put /boot/ in front
[03:54] <BluesKaj> where does the: kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro ..is this line commented ?
[03:54] <rrs> can you binpaste me you menu.lst?
[03:55] <rrs> if not it is difficult to follow you
[03:55] <Minataku> "This is a hand, not a butt."
[03:55] <Minataku> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Copy_That_Floppy
[03:56] <BluesKaj> rrs http://www.pastebin.ca/569164
[03:56] <rrs> thanks
[03:56] <rrs> ok you must adjust line 128
[03:56] <rrs> and make it read:
[03:56] <dandy_> hello to all
[03:56] <rrs> kernel    /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-generic root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet vga=794
[03:57] <rrs> then reboot
[03:57] <Minataku> Don't forget the initrd
[03:58] <BluesKaj> ok rrs, thx
[03:58] <Minataku> He'll be screwed without that
[03:58] <Minataku> STOP BLUESKAJ
[03:58] <DaSkreech> How do You generate a UUID ?
[03:58] <Minataku> You're missing the initrd
[03:58] <dandy_> has anyone tried installing a linksys wireless usb to a desktop or laptop using kde?
[03:58] <rrs> can you show me the corrected file?
[03:58] <rrs> b4 reboot?
[03:58] <Minataku> Oh, you just fixed the old one?
[03:58] <Minataku> My bad, sorry
[03:59] <Minataku> Can't fault me for looking out for ya >.>
[03:59] <Minataku> I was too busy laughing at the hand-butt
[03:59] <Minataku> X3
[03:59] <BluesKaj> ok, lucky i'm slow
[03:59] <rrs> lol
[03:59] <Minataku> butt-hand?
[03:59] <Minataku> Either way, comedy gold.
[03:59] <Minataku> Like taking a sh*t in a urinal.
[04:00] <BluesKaj> ok rrs gonna paste the corrected file
[04:00] <rrs> k
[04:01] <Minataku> Haha
[04:01] <BluesKaj> rrs http://www.pastebin.ca/569234
[04:01] <Minataku> I used to wad up paper towels and toss them in, then flush it until it overflowed a bunch
[04:01] <PriceChild> !ohmy
[04:01] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:01] <ToddEDM2> haha
[04:01] <BluesKaj> ok , gotta shut off the sprinklers ..BRB
[04:01] <Minataku> Then I'd go down to the office and tell them the urinals were overflowing
[04:01] <ToddEDM2> where all you guys from ?
[04:01] <ToddEDM2> haha Minataku
[04:02] <Minataku> They never caught on because I did it maybe 3 times over 9 years
[04:02] <rrs> ok this will now work ...
[04:02] <rrs> have a nice boot
[04:02] <PriceChild> !offtopic | Minataku ToddEDM2
[04:02] <ubotu> Minataku ToddEDM2: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:02] <Minataku> Someplace, USA
[04:02] <Minataku> PriceChild: The only person needing help is done being assisted
[04:02] <Minataku> Nobody else is asking
[04:02] <Minataku> Lay off
[04:03] <ToddEDM2> actually i need help
[04:03] <Minataku> It can't be seriousness 24/7, especially when there's no need for it
[04:03] <ManiDhillon> !Opera
[04:03] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[04:03] <Minataku> ToddEDM2: What's up?
[04:04] <ToddEDM2> well i think i need to get my video drivers installed, so i can try that 3d desktop
[04:04] <Minataku> !ati
[04:04] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:04] <BluesKaj> hi ToddEDM2 from beaumont ab ...im in espanola on
[04:04] <ToddEDM2> !nv
[04:04] <Minataku> Same link
[04:04] <ManiDhillon> I'm still unable to install opera via its repo!
[04:05] <BluesKaj> ok gents , here goes ...wish me luck :)
[04:05] <Minataku> Indeed
[04:05] <rrs> Mani.. why opera when you can use firefox?
[04:05] <Minataku> Firefox is F/OSS
[04:05] <Minataku> Opera is proprietary crap.
[04:05] <rrs> you use linux... you do not need any luck  Blues....
[04:05] <erichj> now you don't
[04:05] <erichj> a few years ago
[04:05] <Arwen> just because something's proprietary doesn't make it crap
[04:05] <erichj> pfft
[04:06] <DaSkreech> rrs: just knowledge
[04:06] <Zabulus> alright, need some help, have 2 dvd burners, but only 1 of them lets me access it to burn files.
[04:06] <rrs> yep
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Arwen: doesn't stop it from being crap either :)
[04:06] <Arwen> very true
[04:06] <rrs> lol @ Dascreech
[04:06] <erichj> yeah, look at mac os
[04:06] <rrs> 10 POINTS
[04:07] <Arwen> erichj, uh..
[04:07] <erichj> mac fan?
[04:07] <Minataku> Mac OS X is the ultimate mistake
[04:07] <Arwen> no, I just don't think Mac OS is crap
[04:08] <Minataku> A bastard child of "stolen" BSD code and proprietary ugliness
[04:08] <Zabulus> anyone have problems puttind 2 dvd burners in a system before?
[04:08] <DaSkreech> Minataku: Eh?
[04:08] <Minataku> The only thing worse is Windows Vista
[04:08] <erichj> that's ok...no one is perfect
[04:08] <Arwen> Minataku, you can't "steal" BSD code. And being proprietary doesn't make something crap.
[04:08] <DaSkreech> Minataku: What are you talking about?
[04:08] <Arwen> please don't troll, even in a zealot-oriented channel like this
[04:08] <BluesKaj> success!
[04:08] <rrs> :o)
[04:08] <Minataku> Arwen: That's why it was in quotes, and OSX has a lot more going for it to make it crap
[04:08] <BluesKaj> thx rrs , Minataku
[04:08] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Yay!
[04:08] <DaSkreech> They are just selling a distro
[04:09] <rrs> np
[04:09] <Minataku> No problem, BluesKaj
[04:09] <PriceChild> !offtopic
[04:09] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:09] <PriceChild> take it elsewhere please.
[04:09] <Minataku> I shoulda saved that /etc/fstab
[04:09] <eriefisher> Zabulus: I run 2 dvd's whats up
[04:09] <DaSkreech> How do I generate UUID?
[04:09] <Minataku> That thing was _messed_ _up_.
[04:09] <DaSkreech> and how does that work anyway?
[04:09] <PriceChild> !uuid | DaSkreech
[04:09] <ubotu> DaSkreech: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[04:09] <Zabulus> only one of my burners lets me access it for burning
[04:09] <DaSkreech> Does the partition always have the SAME UUID?
[04:09] <Minataku> DaSkreech: I think there's a command for it, try "man -k uuid"
[04:09] <rrs> PriceChild.... could you plase help solve some problems instead to be booring?
[04:09] <BluesKaj> PriceChild, are you the offtopic cop tonite ?
[04:09] <rrs> thans
[04:09] <rrs> k
[04:10] <dorkface> Is anybody with a kubuntu version of hyperterminal that has a scrollbar?  I've tried gtkterminal, konsole, that either don't have one, or is disabled once the program has entered a switch.
[04:10] <Minataku> DaSkreech: It has one assigned to it, yes
[04:10] <Arwen> DaSkreech, yes
[04:10] <PriceChild> rrs, notice my solution to the uuid problem.
[04:10] <Arwen> unless you change it
[04:10] <dorkface> minicom seems to be the answer, but it will not bring up any output from the switch when it is connected
[04:11] <eriefisher> Zabulus: dvd or cds or both
[04:11] <DaSkreech> PriceChild: since we are ina helpful mood tonight how do I make my Linux drive portable?
[04:11] <Minataku> I've never managed to get minicom to work, but then I've never had anything to use it properly with
[04:11] <Zabulus> both, sorry, in windows right now, when i dont have a disc in, it wont let me put anything on the drive for burning
[04:11] <PriceChild> DaSkreech, maybe if you explained "portable"
[04:11] <Zabulus> or when i do have a disc in it still doesnt let me
[04:12] <TheCreationist> If I setup Krfb with my account, will I be able to access my PC when others are logged in?  Or do I need to set it up for all their accounts as well?
[04:12] <DaSkreech> PriceChild: popping it out carrying it to a friends house popping it in one of her spare machines and having it boot without being a baby
[04:12] <Arwen> DaSkreech, uh..........................
[04:12] <Minataku> DaSkreech: Very difficult
[04:12] <rrs> any other help needed?
[04:12] <DaSkreech> right now I think it kernel panics
[04:12] <BluesKaj> ok rrs , this is blasphemy but now i'd like to add windows boot to the grub menu....
[04:12] <Minataku> I don't think it will work
[04:12] <rrs> ufff
[04:13] <rrs> lol
[04:13] <PriceChild> DaSkreech, use a live cd
[04:13] <rrs> yes
[04:13] <rrs> it is easy
[04:13] <DaSkreech> Minataku: it uesed to work great
[04:13] <rrs> add follwoing
[04:13] <Arwen> DaSkreech, you need a custom bootloader. a Live CD would be smarter.
[04:13] <Minataku> Agreed, LiveCD a much better solution
[04:13] <Minataku> LiveCD + USB Key
[04:13] <DaSkreech> So i know it's something. Driver cache or something that I need to turn off
[04:14] <Zabulus> did i lose you eriefisher?
[04:14] <rrs> http://www.pastebin.ca/569242
[04:14] <Minataku> Wow, PriceChild on the warpath tonight
[04:14] <rrs> add this to your grub
[04:14] <eriefisher> Zabulus: are you using k3b or ?? or just sending to
[04:14] <rrs> Blues... btw... you must fix your other grub entries too
[04:14] <Bearcat> what seems to be happening is that kooka is not showing anyting on the "scan parameters" tool. It is a blank box.
[04:15] <DaSkreech> !language | rrs. I guess pastebin's count as well :)
[04:15] <ubotu> rrs. I guess pastebin's count as well :): Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:15] <Arwen> DaSkreech, it's a grub problem
[04:15] <rrs> erm wait
[04:15] <rrs> Blues
[04:15] <Zabulus> doesnt matter what program i use, even going to "my computer" and trying to open the burner folder there it doesnt work
[04:15] <DaSkreech> Arwen: well then explain it to me
[04:15] <BluesKaj> ok rrs, thx got it
[04:15] <rrs> I forogt to say you must adjust the drives...
[04:15] <Arwen> because when you move a hard drive, its drive number changes
[04:15] <Minataku> !windows | Zabulus
[04:15] <ubotu> Zabulus: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[04:15] <rrs> where do you have your windows?
[04:15] <DaSkreech> Arwen: Switching to lilo would fix it?
[04:15] <Arwen> no
[04:15] <rrs> what disk, what partition?
[04:15] <Arwen> you need iso/syslinux
[04:15] <ManiDhillon> Arwen i wnt to install Opera Browser via konsole.
[04:15] <Zabulus> the problem is its not just an issue with windows
[04:15] <Minataku> DaSkreech: This is why LiveCDs exist
[04:16] <rrs> hd0,0 = disk 1 partition1
[04:16] <TheCreationist> If I setup Krfb with my account, will I be able to access my PC when others are logged in?  Or do I need to set it up for all their accounts as well?
[04:16] <BluesKaj> rrs  hd0,0 yes
[04:16] <Arwen> ManiDhillon, and what's that have to do with me?
[04:16] <DaSkreech> Minataku: not unless I can copy a bunch of my data to it
[04:16] <Minataku> Zabulus: If it fails to work in either OS, suspect bad hardware
[04:16] <rrs> ok
[04:16] <Minataku> Bad cable or bad drive
[04:16] <Minataku> Try it in a different PC
[04:16] <rrs> and you have still messed up your other linux entires
[04:16] <rrs> do not forget to fix this
[04:16] <DaSkreech> Arwen: what is grub doing to make it impossible to boot?
[04:16] <Minataku> DaSkreech: That's what USB Sticks are for
[04:16] <Arwen> it's just not designed for portable scenarios....
[04:17] <Zabulus> its not the hardware, i used it before and it worked fine, then i changed out my ide cables
[04:17] <Arwen> now go burn a live cd and bugger off, geesh
[04:17] <Zabulus> btw, i have them both set to master on seperate ides
[04:17] <ManiDhillon> Arwen i think you know how to!
[04:17] <Minataku> Zabulus: Suspect bad new cable or bad connections
[04:17] <Arwen> ManiDhillon, uh...
[04:17] <Arwen> !opera | ManiDhillon
[04:17] <ubotu> ManiDhillon: opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[04:17] <Minataku> DaSkreech: I think the fact that it used to work was pure luck
[04:17] <eriefisher> Zaulus: return the cables to eliminate
[04:18] <ManiDhillon> Arwen this page was unable to help me, i've checked it week before!
[04:18] <Zabulus> should i try using one cable and setting the drives as primary/slave?
[04:18] <Minataku> Yeah, I'm thinking the cables are bad or you connected them wrong
[04:18] <Arwen> ManiDhillon, well, I don't know then. I don't use Opera.
[04:19] <Minataku> Zabulus: It's actually SOP to have the HDD Master Channel 0 and CD/DVD Master Channel 1
[04:19] <Minataku> There's nothing wrong with doing that
[04:19] <Minataku> SOP == Standard Operating Procedure
[04:19] <Zabulus> hdd is sata, 2 dvd burners on seperate ide both as masters
[04:19] <rrs> what is his problem Minataku?
[04:20] <Minataku> Zabulus: Sounds right to me
[04:20] <Minataku> You said you changed out the cables
[04:20] <Minataku> Suspect bad cables or misconnection
[04:20] <rrs> ok
[04:20] <Zabulus> ill check on that, thanks
[04:20] <rrs> and what are the sympthomes?
[04:20] <Zabulus> btw, has anyone ever had any issue where the dvd burner slows down when using both on one ide?
[04:21] <rrs> yes tabulus
[04:21] <Minataku> Zabulus: That's why you put them on separate channels
[04:21] <rrs> this is normal
[04:22] <Zabulus> ok, how about that it shows them both in the same location  (location 0 (0))?
[04:23] <BluesKaj> well , windows mbr is missing
[04:23] <rrs> did windows work before?
[04:23] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: windows cd, boot to recovery, fixboot, fixmbr
[04:23] <Minataku> I'll hand Zabulus' issue off to you, rrs
[04:23] <Daisuke_Ido> but blah
[04:23] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: NO, NO, FFS NO
[04:24] <BluesKaj> rrs , no it
[04:24] <Zabulus> its been having issues since i moved them to seperate cables
[04:24] <Minataku> You'll nuke GRUB
[04:24] <BluesKaj> didn't
[04:24] <Daisuke_Ido> Minataku: okay...  always worked in the past...
[04:24] <Minataku> Zabulus: Check that you remembered to change the jumpers
[04:24] <rrs> but it is a working windows installation right?
[04:24] <Daisuke_Ido> of course you'll nuke grub.
[04:24] <Minataku> PriceChild: Sorry if I pissed ya off there
[04:25] <Zabulus> yes, windows is working fine, using that right now, dont wanna take the time to go to my kubuntu, sorry
[04:25] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: Considering we just friggin' FIXED it
[04:25] <BluesKaj> yes rrs, used it yesterday to scan some docs
[04:25] <Minataku> We'd rather not break it again
[04:25] <TheCreationist> If I setup Krfb with my account, will I be able to access my PC when others are logged in?  Or do I need to set it up for all their accounts as well?
[04:25] <Daisuke_Ido> point taken
[04:25] <Minataku> Heehee
[04:25] <Minataku> brb
[04:25] <BluesKaj> no rush to fix windows tho
[04:25] <rrs> ok then proceed as saisuke_ldo said
[04:26] <rrs> but then after you must reinstall grub
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> boot to the live cd, chroot into your kubuntu install and install grub?  would that work?
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm still learning :)
[04:27] <rrs> you must bind the /proc first
[04:27] <rrs> if not your chroot wont work
[04:27] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido, we just reinstalled grub to make it boot kubuntu
[04:27] <Daisuke_Ido> you may ask yourself, how do i work this?
[04:27] <Daisuke_Ido> oh
[04:27] <Daisuke_Ido> then nevermind.
[04:27] <Daisuke_Ido> don't touch anything.
[04:27] <BluesKaj> hehe:)
[04:27] <rrs> ok blues
[04:28] <rrs> if you want to have windows and linux u need to major steps
[04:28] <rrs> 1. resintall windows mbr
[04:28] <rrs> 2. reinstall grub
[04:28] <rrs> then both will work
[04:28] <rrs> do you know how to do step 1?
[04:28] <Daisuke_Ido> you may ask yourself, what is that beautiful house?  you may ask yourself, where does that highway GO to?  and i'm going to be quiet now :D
[04:29] <BluesKaj> I tried reinstalling grub with the live cd and wasn't successful
[04:29] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: that part's a little more complex
[04:29] <Daisuke_Ido> chroot
[04:29] <rrs> yes of course you were not
[04:29] <rrs> you need to bind /proc
[04:29] <rrs> then chroot
[04:29] <ivan_-_> *quit
[04:29] <rrs> then grub-install
[04:30] <heeq> hey men
[04:30] <rrs> mount -o bind /dev/hda2 /mnt/xxx
[04:30] <rrs> chroot /mnt/xxx
[04:30] <BluesKaj> xxx?
[04:30] <rrs> grub-install /dev/hda
[04:30] <heeq> i'm trying to install "superkaramba" (0,39) but i'm getting some problems..
[04:30] <rrs> you make a directory
[04:30] <rrs> and you can call it xxx
[04:30] <rrs> or yyy
[04:30] <rrs> or zzz
[04:31] <BluesKaj> ok
[04:31] <rrs> or hda
[04:31] <rrs> :)
[04:31] <BluesKaj> hang on
[04:31] <heeq> when I do ./configure, appears "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[04:31] <heeq> can someone please help me? :P
[04:31] <rrs> BUT
[04:31] <rrs> you need first to reinstall windows boot manager
[04:32] <BluesKaj> heeq, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:32] <MECU> help please: I put the kubuntu CD in and try to install and it brings up the logo and a progress bar and never moves
[04:32] <MECU> (same thing with the ubuntu install CD)
[04:32] <rrs> what mainboard mecu?
[04:33] <MECU> don't know/remember
[04:33] <BluesKaj> getting late here rrs, I'll tackle windows probs tomorrow , no big hurry
[04:33] <normal> how do you add programs online?
[04:33] <MECU> rrs: if I had to guess, I think it's a shuttle something
[04:33] <rrs> try to boot with noapic
[04:33] <MECU> rrs: how do I do that?
[04:34] <DaSkreech> heeq: For which program?
[04:34] <BluesKaj> but rrs, I certainly appreciate you efforts and good help :)
[04:34] <rrs> blueskaj
[04:34] <rrs> ok
[04:34] <rrs> cya
[04:34] <rrs> same here
[04:34] <rrs> i go sleep
[04:34] <rrs> 3:40 am
[04:34] <rrs> mecu
[04:35] <rrs> do google for noapic
[04:35] <MECU> ok, thanks
[04:35] <rrs> i pet 50$ that you have a noapic problem
[04:35] <rrs> bet
[04:35] <rrs> cya guys
[04:35] <BluesKaj> cya rrs
[04:36] <DaSkreech> cu
[04:36] <BluesKaj> not leaving , 10:40 PM here , but i think I'll just relax for a while
[04:38] <Zabulus> alright, ignoring the dvd burner issue for a while, i have 4 gigs of ram, when i boot up i see it in the bootup sequence showing 4 gigs, but when i get into kubuntu, it shows total physical memory at 2.95 gigs
[04:41] <heeq> BluesKaj: tks man
[04:41] <Bearcat> is there a command i can use to determine what package can provide a file for me?
[04:41] <BluesKaj> np heeq
[04:41] <heeq> BluesKaj: but now "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!"
[04:41] <heeq> lol
[04:42] <heeq> something about nvidia driver (not installed) ? ;/
[04:42] <BluesKaj> hehe
[04:42] <DaSkreech> heeq: which program?
[04:42] <heeq> DaSkreech: superkaramba-0.39
[04:43] <Zabulus> alright, so, can someone at least tell me a good program for copying games to back them up?
[04:43] <DaSkreech> !info superkaramba
[04:43] <ubotu> superkaramba: a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 533 kB, installed size 1428 kB
[04:44] <BluesKaj> k9copy, Zabulus
[04:44] <MECU> noapic/nolapic seem to be working
[04:44] <DaSkreech> heeq: the repos have version 4 it seems :)
[04:47] <NickPresta> DaSkreech, it's actually version 3.5.6.
[04:47] <NickPresta> DaSkreech, 3.5.6-0ubuntu2 if you want to get picky.
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Oh I thought that was KDE Version
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Looked like Version 4:(KDE)3.5.6 o me
[04:48] <DaSkreech> !info superkaramba gutsy
[04:48] <heeq> 0.39 is the last, really
[04:48] <ubotu> superkaramba: a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 534 kB, installed size 1432 kB
[04:48] <heeq> on official page
[04:48] <HumanBlade> hi all. have a Dapper Drake Live CD install issue. anyone willing to input?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> NickPresta: see? version 3.5.7 which  coincidentally is the version of KDE shipping in gutsy
[04:49] <DaSkreech> HumanBlade: no clue until we know what it is
[04:49] <BluesKaj> heeq, have you installed nvidia drivers separately or are you using pnp version ?
[04:50] <MECU> who hoo! I'm installing
[04:50] <NickPresta> DaSkreech, my repo only has 3.5.6 for some reason. >_>
[04:50] <heeq> i don't know what is "pnp", but i haven't installed nvidia drivers
[04:50] <HumanBlade> thanks. After trying to use the easy install (Ubiquity?) i go through all the steps, but when it comes to the partition part (you knew it would be...) i select to manually edit
[04:50] <HumanBlade> works in bg and then blank panel
[04:50] <HumanBlade> no visible options
[04:51] <heeq> do I should?
[04:51] <HumanBlade> had setup ext2 and swap with partitionmagic in WinXP prior...
[04:52] <DaSkreech> !kde
[04:52] <DaSkreech> NickPresta: Or read the topic :)
[04:52] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[04:52] <BluesKaj> NickPresta, same here ...maybe that's the latest stable version in the repos
[04:52] <NickPresta> DaSkreech, I have KDE 3.5.7.
[04:53] <BluesKaj> oops
[04:53] <NickPresta> DaSkreech, I run a small sources.list. I don't have many other repos...
[04:53] <HumanBlade> my question... is there a CLI script to install?
[04:53] <NickPresta> HumanBlade, to install what?
[04:53] <HumanBlade> Kubuntu :)
[04:54] <HumanBlade> having trouble with graphical install
[04:54] <DaSkreech> HumanBlade: try the alternate cd
[04:54] <HumanBlade> on dialup :(
[04:54] <BluesKaj> he s trying dapper
[04:55] <DaSkreech> HumanBlade: Make a friend who has broadband
[04:55] <DaSkreech> or put high speed internete as a requirement on your next job application :)
[04:55] <HumanBlade> haha, could of course do that. wanted to try and solve with resources i had tonite maybe. :)
[04:56] <BluesKaj> what's the trouble HumanBlade?
[04:56] <DaSkreech> HumanBlade: You have the live CD?
[04:56] <HumanBlade> everything seems to work fine, just after it gets part. info, no options are available. getting blank gray panel
[04:56] <HumanBlade> DaSkreech: yes Dapper Drake
[04:56] <DaSkreech> HumanBlade: how much RAM do you have ?
[04:57] <HumanBlade> maybe because ext2 + swap are already setup?
[04:57] <HumanBlade> DaSkreech: 256MB
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Shoudl be well enough
[04:57] <DaSkreech> and you have a swap partition?
[04:57] <HumanBlade> setup with PartitionMagic
[04:57] <BluesKaj> have you tried to partition yout drive into windows and linux - ext partitions ?
[04:58] <HumanBlade> Tried to save some time prior to live cd install... reason why i used PartMag
[04:58] <BluesKaj> damn partition magic ...it hates linux
[04:58] <DaSkreech> :-)
[04:58] <HumanBlade> may just free spce it?
[04:58] <DaSkreech> In anycase the only thing the Live Cd should touch is swap
[04:59] <DaSkreech> No reason why it should be dying
[04:59] <DaSkreech>  HumanBlade can you get to a terminal?
[04:59] <HumanBlade> it doesn't technically 'die'
[04:59] <HumanBlade> and it doesn't auto-recognise any swap and use
[04:59] <HumanBlade> could probablly mount it or something
[05:00] <HumanBlade> was really wondering if there was just some script i could use. set mount point and tell it to start copying etc.
[05:00] <HumanBlade> not proficient enough to step through python scripts
[05:01] <HumanBlade> i remember i had trouble like this 2 yrs. ago with Knoppix, and was able to use underlying script
[05:02] <Zabulus> has anyone else had problems with the mouse randomly freezing up?
[05:02] <ToddEDM2> beer and facebook, what a night
[05:03] <HumanBlade> beer and Kubuntu install issues... :(
[05:03] <daquin1> how do i make my laptop hibernate on closing the lid ?
[05:04] <ToddEDM2> im having issues too but facebook is so damn addicive
[05:04] <BluesKaj> HumanBlade, i realize the limitations of dialup, having experinced it myself for several yrs , but if you could DL and burn to disk GParted partition editor it can really help you setup the linux partitons much more effectively than that dangerous weapon called partition magic
[05:04] <HumanBlade> yeah like wikipedia that way... cross-links to hell :)
[05:05] <HumanBlade> i think GParted is on Dapper, No?
[05:05] <BluesKaj> dunno
[05:05] <HumanBlade> wouldn't really know
[05:06] <BluesKaj> even qtparted is better, I think it's on dapper
[05:06] <HumanBlade> just figuring, since it's in so many Lives
[05:07] <HumanBlade> well i'm on the machine i wish to install now, so no quick check for me atm
[05:07] <BluesKaj> anyway gents , it's late for old guys like me ...sacktime
[05:07] <Theresa> alright folks, i'm a lot closer
[05:07] <BluesKaj> good luck HumanBlade
[05:07] <HumanBlade> BluesKaj: Thanks for the input.
[05:07] <DaSkreech> HumanBlade: in any case I don't think that the alternate cd  is THE fix. you should be able to get that to boot
[05:08] <DaSkreech>  HumanBlade did you run a cd check?
[05:08] <HumanBlade> no... it's the ShipIt cd
[05:08] <Theresa> When i do a sane-find-scanner it finds my usb scanner. How to i tell the rest of my installation about it? kooka can't find it.
[05:08] <HumanBlade> visual inspection is flawless
[05:08] <DaSkreech> HumanBlade: Did they ship you an alternate as well?
[05:09] <HumanBlade> 1 CD, cardboard sleeve. no info.
[05:09] <lithium_> hi can i get some asistance
[05:09] <DaSkreech> HumanBlade: hmm
[05:10] <DaSkreech> !ask | lithium_
[05:10] <ubotu> lithium_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:10] <lithium_> im new to linux, and im having some issues at the pasword prompts, im using kubuntu
[05:10] <HumanBlade> DaSkreech: not a complete newb. really would do fine with script. guess no one knows off top of the head...
[05:10] <lithium_> and if im prompted in a graphical box, its fine
[05:11] <lithium_> but if im at konsole and it asks for password, i type and no characters appear
[05:11] <DaSkreech> HumanBlade: far as I know the graphical Install is just that. a graphical install
[05:11] <DaSkreech> lithium_: that's by design
[05:11] <lithium_> okay for example,
[05:11] <lithium_> i got a limewire package
[05:11] <DaSkreech> lithium_: type in the right password and hit enter
[05:11] <DaSkreech> lithium_: it will accept it
[05:11] <lithium_> and when i right click and go to install package
[05:11] <lithium_> a terminal opens up
[05:12] <lithium_> like a command window
[05:12] <lithium_> which says password:
[05:12] <lithium_> and when i type, nothing shows up
[05:12] <lithium_> ive tried typing the password and hitting enter doesnt work
[05:12] <lithium_> ive tried just hitting enter as well
[05:12] <lithium_> i had the same issue when i installed Fedora\
[05:13] <lithium_> except to log in to fedora you have to log in through a command line type interface
[05:13] <DaSkreech> lithium_: can you open a konsole and browse to the folder with the install package ?
[05:13] <lithium_> so i couldnt even log in
[05:13] <lithium_> i could try
[05:13] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  when you enter ypur password NOTHING will echo back.
[05:13] <Dr_willis> no *'s no nothing. :)
[05:14] <lithium_> sorry if my questions are ridiculous but ive used windows my whole life and finally decided to rebel against the man :)
[05:14] <lithium_> hmmm.. thats what i figured.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> so i am guessing you are typing the password wrongly
[05:14] <lithium_> its little things like that i have to readjust to i guess.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> !limewire
[05:14] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[05:14] <abulo> alguien puede llegar a saber como puedo estar conectado aca pero jamas pueda ver ninguna pagina web
[05:15] <abulo> ni conectarme al kopete
[05:15] <DaSkreech> !es | abulo
[05:15] <ubotu> abulo: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:15] <lithium_> does anyone know of a better p2p to use mainly for audio? Limewire really screws up your network config
[05:15] <DaSkreech> !frostwire
[05:15] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[05:16] <Dr_willis> i dont see how limewire would screw up your network config at all.
[05:16] <lithium_> oh ok cool
[05:16] <Dr_willis> !p2p
[05:16] <ubotu> Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[05:16] <lithium_> well my boyfriend is a network engineer and i never thought it did but hes spent ALOT of time fixing peoples computers because of limewire
[05:16] <lithium_> he tried to explain exactly what it does but ive forgotten already. as usual.
[05:16] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[05:17] <Dragnslcr> Sure it's not the files you're downloading with it?
[05:17] <lithium_> see thats the thing ive never ever had an issue with it.
[05:17] <Dr_willis> I agree with Dragnslcr /
[05:18] <Dr_willis> Limewire is just a user app. it cant affect your network.. well other then to flood it with up/downloads.
[05:18] <lithium_> except for once when i installed it on his labtop and it made the internet connection stop working
[05:18] <MECU> I just install Kubuntu and when I restart I get a message "Error loading operating system" and that's it. How can I edit/format my two drives or the boot loader? (I I have two physical hard drives)
[05:19] <lithium_> Limewire will go in and change your internet configuration and actually attach itself to your network devices
[05:19] <Dr_willis> MECU,  sounds like grub dident get installed right.
[05:19] <service> hi!
[05:19] <Dr_willis> lithium_, hmm.. Id like to see how it does that under linux.
[05:19] <DaSkreech> !hi
[05:19] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[05:19] <Dr_willis> 'attatch to network device' is.. well.. lets say..  sounding fishy. :)
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: fish://y ?
[05:20] <Rictoo> with grep how do I make the results also show the file it found it in? I am doing "cat *.java | grep Image
[05:20] <lithium_> yeah me too i was interested to see its behavior under linux as well
[05:20] <MECU> Dr_willis: so how do I edit the grub?
[05:21] <lithium_> oh and also when i click on an installation package and it prompts for what application i want to open it with do i use the package manager or what
[05:22] <DaSkreech> Rictoo: grep -r *.javaa
[05:22] <Rictoo> ?
[05:22] <Rictoo> oh
[05:22] <Rictoo> I think I see.
[05:22] <DaSkreech> lithium_: what's the install package called?
[05:22] <Dr_willis> !grub
[05:22] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:22] <Rictoo> DaSkreech: I dont see
[05:22] <Rictoo> can you give me an example?
[05:22] <Rictoo> "cat *.java | grep Image"
[05:23] <Rictoo> Tat's what I was doing.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  dont 'click' to install.. use the shell.
[05:23] <Rictoo> and it works
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Rictoo: try grep -r Image *.java
[05:23] <Rictoo> but it doesn't show the file it found it in.
[05:23] <Rictoo> Ok, i will.
[05:23] <lithium_> when i went to the frost wire homepage and selectd to download frostwire i got prompted for what app to  use to open it
[05:23] <Rictoo> yay :D Thanks DaSkreech
[05:23] <Dr_willis> !frostwire
[05:23] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Rictoo: go Me!
[05:24] <DaSkreech> Oh yes Konqueror always helpful :)
[05:25] <lithium_> if i open my terminal and the directory says lithium@lithium-desktop:~$ then im at desktop correct?
[05:25] <DaSkreech> lithium_: no you are at ~
[05:25] <DaSkreech> lithium_: type pwd to see where you are
[05:25] <lithium_> lol what the hell is that
[05:25] <lithium_> oh ok
[05:25] <Dr_willis> !bash
[05:25] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[05:26] <Dr_willis> !shell
[05:26] <Dr_willis> i need to track down that shell tutorial site
[05:26] <DaSkreech> !commands
[05:26] <savetheWorld> a bash tutorial is available at http://linuxcommand.org/writing_shell_scripts.php
[05:26] <Minataku> Heya, Dr_willis
[05:26] <Dr_willis> http://www.linuxcommand.org/learning_the_shell.php
[05:27] <lithium_> ok so if im at /home/lithium i would type cd /home/lithium/desktop correct?
[05:27] <Minataku> Get all those memos? (Sorry about so many, BTW XD)
[05:27] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  or 'cd desktop'
[05:27] <MECU> it was trying to load grub on my first HD so I switch the boot priority to the other HD and it works okay now
[05:27] <savetheWorld> also http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashGuide
[05:27] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  or cd de<tab>  and let it complete.
[05:27] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  note the shell IS IS IS CaSe SenEstIvE! :0
[05:28] <lithium_> yeah i saw that. im gonna have to pound that one into my head im totally the queen of careless mistakes
[05:28] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: it's De<tab>
[05:28] <lithium_> :)
[05:28] <Dr_willis> not on my system any more. :)
[05:28] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Also, thanks a bunch, those calculators kick ass
[05:28] <DaSkreech> lithium_: or just name all your Folders With An Upper case To Make It Easier To Remember
[05:28] <Minataku> I was able to test only one, the beat up TI-30
[05:29] <Minataku> Which does this totally awesome flickering "8" when it's doing long calculations :D
[05:29] <lithium_> lmao oh i figured it out i wasnt capitalizing "Desktop" thats why it kept telling me no such directory exists lol
[05:29] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  heh.. that was the LCD one right? the newer of the lot. :) i almost kept it.. but got no use for it.
[05:29] <Minataku> That one needs some fixing up, though, it's rather beat up
[05:29] <Minataku> Dr_willis: No, that was a TI-66
[05:29] <Minataku> Which is incredibly awesome
[05:30] <DaSkreech> lithium_: welcome to the learning curve :)
[05:30] <DaSkreech> lithium_: learn Tab btw
[05:30] <Dr_willis> They were all rather beat up when i got them from the Salvation Army store.
[05:30] <erichj> i think i had like a ti-81 in high school
[05:30] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Most of them are just fine
[05:30] <DaSkreech> !tab | lithium_ this should make your life easier
[05:30] <ubotu> lithium_ this should make your life easier: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[05:30] <Minataku> The TI-30 is a bit cracked up, is all
[05:30] <erichj> or 86
[05:30] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  i couldent even get them to power up. No adaptors, or stuff to give them power.
[05:31] <Minataku> Dr_willis: The 30 has a 9V battery pack
[05:31] <DudeMeister> hey Amarok just froze, what do i do? i can't close it
[05:31] <Minataku> Connected via a 9V battery clip
[05:31] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  heh - never noticed..   guess i could of kept that one. :P
[05:35] <Dr_willis> like i Need a calculator.
[05:35] <Minataku> Which is just perfect for connecting to a 9V battery XD
[05:35] <Minataku> Which I had in my TI-1200 :3
[05:35] <DudeMeister> anybody?
[05:35] <lithium_> hmmm..awesome thanks.
[05:35] <Minataku> DudeMeister: kill `pidof amarok`
[05:35] <Dr_willis> Be thankfull the batteries dident corrode in them live ive seen in many other devices.
[05:35] <Minataku> Note that is a "backtick"
[05:35] <DudeMeister> thanks
[05:35] <Minataku> Not an apostrophe
[05:35] <lithium_> ok now i went ahead and downloaded the tarball, through konsole can i run the exec command on it?
[05:35] <Minataku> The backtick is on the same key as the ~
[05:35] <Minataku> lithium_: You don't execute tars
[05:35] <Minataku> You unpack them
[05:35] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  wat did you download exactly?
[05:35] <DudeMeister> Minataku, it gave me this output
[05:35] <DudeMeister> kill: usage: kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -sigspec]  pid | jobspec ... or kill -l [sigspec] 
[05:35] <lithium_> oh lol of course
[05:35] <erichj> DudeMeister: xkill and click on amarok
[05:35] <Minataku> DudeMeister: Did you use the backtick?
[05:35] <DaSkreech> lithium_: for frostwire?
[05:35] <DudeMeister> yes
[05:35] <DudeMeister> i copied it as from what you typed
[05:35] <Minataku> Use erichj's then
[05:35] <lithium_> what type of file am i looking for in the extracted frostwire folder
[05:35] <Minataku> xkill and click on it
[05:35] <DudeMeister> cool!
[05:35] <Dr_willis> Frostwire had a .deb package you can just install.. its that simple.
[05:35] <DudeMeister> thanks
[05:35] <DudeMeister> that's a nice trick!
[05:35] <Dr_willis> download  frostwire-4.13.1.7.i586.deb
[05:35] <erichj> welcome
[05:35] <DudeMeister> hey what do i need to get mp3 support?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> sudo dpkg -frostwire-4.13.1.7.i586.deb
[05:35] <Dr_willis> i
[05:35] <Minataku> !mp3
[05:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:35] <Dr_willis> oops typo
[05:35] <Dr_willis> sudo dpkg -i frostwire-4.13.1.7.i586.deb
[05:35] <red> rm -rf /
[05:35] <lithium_> i tried, but as i said when i go to download it, it asks what application i wanna use to open it
[05:35] <red> oops, wrong window
[05:35] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  download it.. use the shell.
[05:35] <Minataku> DO NOT TYPE WHAT red SAID
[05:35] <Minataku> Hey, ops, someone wanna take this guy outta here?
[05:35] <erichj> he would need to add sudo to do any damage
[05:35] <Dr_willis> http://www.frostwire.com/download.shm?os=ubuntu
[05:35] <lithium_> the shell? like Konsole?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> !shell
[05:35] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[05:35] <Dr_willis> we went over that. :)
[05:35] <Minataku> erichj: Doesn't matter, that's just plain wrong
[05:35] <erichj> i agree
[05:35] <lithium_> ok i thought thats what you meant
[05:35] <Dr_willis> shell = konsole = terminal
[05:35] <Dr_willis> aka 'bash' :0
[05:35] <intelikey> konsole != console       :)
[05:35] <DaSkreech> lithium_: can't you right click and save link as ?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> technicially Konsole is the program that gives you a interface to the shell you chose to run.(bash by default)
[05:35] <Minataku> Konsole is a terminal emulator
[05:36] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  what does that make minicom then? :)
[05:36] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Same thing
[05:36] <lithium_> okay when i ppened it with konsole, the file downloaded, and went god knows where, and now my konsole is jsut a directory line nothing more.
[05:36] <lithium_> is that saying it installed?
[05:36] <erichj> whent to /home probably
[05:36] <erichj> went
[05:36] <lithium_> it went here
[05:36] <lithium_> file:///var/tmp/kdecache-lithium/krun/11043.0.frostwire-4.13.1.7.i586.deb
[05:36] <Minataku> I'm lucky enough to own a real serial terminal :D
[05:37] <Minataku> Specifically, a Wyse WY-60 with green phosphor CRT
[05:37] <Minataku> :3
[05:37] <DaSkreech> lithium_: ha ha
[05:37] <bigmoe> I have a question. Do people have any problems when running kubuntu/ubuntu on macbooks?
[05:37] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Oh, that HDD is 20MB
[05:37] <DaSkreech> lithium_: sudo dpkg -i /var/tmp/kdecache-lithium/krun/11043.0.frostwire-4.13.1.7.i586.deb
[05:37] <erichj> bigmoe: as far as i know there are no problems
[05:38] <bigmoe> thank you
[05:38] <intelikey> erichj /home != $HOME    default home is /home/<username>/
[05:38] <erichj> bigmoe: maybe with the built in isight but everything else should be fine
[05:38] <Minataku> I took two things off of it, one that I kept, then wiped it since I didn't find anything on there too useful
[05:38] <bigmoe> ok
[05:38] <erichj> intelikey: i just assumed that he would understand that
[05:38] <Minataku> Dr_willis: All that's left are the Amigas, which I'll have to sneak in under my asshole dad's nose
[05:38] <DaSkreech> lithium_: let me know tid that doesn't work
[05:38] <Minataku> Maybe I'll have you address it to my mom
[05:38] <DaSkreech> !ohmy | Minataku
[05:38] <ubotu> Minataku: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:39] <Minataku> That way he won't give a damn
[05:39] <bigmoe> im thinking of just buying a macbook 4 college then when they update the os a couple of times ill just switch
[05:39] <Minataku> bigmoe: No
[05:39] <bigmoe> im cheap that way
[05:39] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  whats sad.. i had a Wyse for ages.. then 'lost' the keyboard.. then i FOUND the keyboard 8 yrs later.. the week aftger i threw out the monitor.
[05:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:39] <Minataku> Don't get a Macbook
[05:39] <bigmoe> y?
[05:39] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  i got an ibm serial terminal somewhere..
[05:39] <DaSkreech> !mac
[05:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:39] <DaSkreech> !apple
[05:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apple - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:39] <DaSkreech> !ppc
[05:39] <ubotu> PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[05:39] <Minataku> You're cheap... and you want a Macbook!?
[05:39] <erichj> bigmoe: that is alot of money to spend on x86 hardware
[05:39] <Dr_willis> Dell  has some OK linux laptops for 888$
[05:39] <Minataku> That's one hell of a contradiction
[05:39] <Dr_willis> or so
[05:40] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Oooh, an IBM one? Sweet. :D
[05:40] <bigmoe> well... with educational discount it is $999
[05:40] <erichj> bigmoe: i've used acer laptops for years because they run linux like a dream
[05:40] <Minataku> DaSkreech: You don't know my dad. I'm not gonna censor it when I'm talking about him.
[05:40] <Minataku> That's what he is, period.
[05:40] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  its erather ugly compared to the wyse i had.. but i dont need it any more. :0
[05:41] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Probably too expensive to ship, though
[05:41] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  yea its about the size of a 16 in monitor.
[05:41] <Dr_willis> and given that a cheap PC can handle it.
[05:41] <erichj> the enterprise rental place i was at today used WYSE terminals
[05:43] <Markeda> Does anyone here have experience setting up Kubuntu with an Epson Stylus CX3200 printer? I've run into a bit of a snag with it...
[05:43] <Dr_willis> erichj,  yea - they are still around.. we used to use them at work. a cheap pc + livecd can do the same job however.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> erichj,  cheaper even. :)
[05:43] <Minataku> Heh
[05:43] <erichj> yeah
[05:44] <Minataku> Yeah, but when you get a $700 serial terminal package for $40 total
[05:44] <Dr_willis> it wold be nice if Linux-thinclients could take off. :) Its going to be hard to compete with  $100 pc's
[05:44] <Minataku> Can't beat that with a stick
[05:44] <Dr_willis> I used the serial terminal ages ago on my amiga :)  and in college
[05:45] <Minataku> Heehee
[05:45] <Minataku> RomWack
[05:45] <Dr_willis> kermit - the good old days
[05:45] <Minataku> Guru Meditiation
[05:45] <Minataku> :D
[05:45] <Minataku> The local cable access/info channels used to use Amigas
[05:45] <hitmanWilly> ok, that's even a little before my time :)
[05:49] <Minataku> I know this because one day one of them crashed on the beginning of the weekend
[05:49] <WillJitsu> I've got a buddy that has a Linksys WUSB12 wireless USB adapter that he's trying to get working.  What's the quickest way for him to do that?
[05:49] <Minataku> And all weekend there was a Guru Meditation error on the TV
[05:49] <Minataku> :3
[05:49] <intelikey> Markeda if you can describe your issue a little someone "might" pickup and help ya.
[05:49] <Markeda> Unfortunately, I can't, since I don't know what's wrong with it...
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  at work - we have a similer thing on the TV/news for the factory one day there was a dialog box. "ok/cancle" on the tvs.. this guy was TOUCHING the TV screen trying to get it to go away. :)
[05:49] <Minataku> HAHA!
[05:49] <Markeda> I've been through linux-foundation.org's stuff and some of the linked sites from it, my printer is recognized, but nothing prints.
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:49] <Minataku> It's cute, in a sad sorta way
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  i recall a "BSOD" screen saver  that replays old machine 'crash screens' :)
[05:49] <lithium_> ok in konsole ive gotten into the correct directory, the folder with frostwires files i downloaded. what command am i running and on what file?
[05:49] <Minataku> Dr_willis: It's part of xscreensaver
[05:49] <intelikey> !cups
[05:49] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[05:49] <NickPresta> Dr_willis, I use that SS all the time. :P
[05:49] <bigmoe> erichj how much does your laptop cost?
[05:49] <Minataku> Not only that, but the thing that dragged me back to Linux
[05:49] <Minataku> bigmoe: Best laptops period: Toshiba
[05:49] <Minataku> No question, no exception
[05:49] <erichj> i paid $698 for mine
[05:49] <erichj> acer kills toshiba
[05:49] <intelikey> Markeda maybe one of those links will help.  maybe they wont...
[05:49] <Minataku> They're a bit pricy, but the best ever
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> Minataku, yeah, they're up there on the list
[05:49] <lithium_> Toshibas are horrible. Toshibas make as good labtops as george bush makes a president.
[05:49] <bigmoe> erich what are the specs?
[05:49] <Dr_willis> I like my $350 laptop i found on sale :)
[05:49] <Minataku> lithium_: You just said the wrong thing to the wrong person
[05:49] <lithium_> and thats not saying alot
[05:49] <Dr_willis> its a noname-brand.
[05:49] <lithium_> lol k
[05:49] <Dr_willis> heh heh..
[05:49] <Minataku> Where's my clue-by-four
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Please no Politics!
[05:49] <lithium_> terrifying really,.
[05:49] <Minataku> I'ma need a new one after this
[05:49] <bigmoe> 350? how fast is it?
[05:49] <erichj> intel core duo 1.6, 1meg cache, 1gb ram, 120gb drive, dual layer dvd burner with lightscribe
[05:49] <Minataku> Oh, it's not politics
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Unles sits about the RIAA and DMCA stupidity
[05:49] <erichj> intel gma950
[05:49] <lithium_> im sorry are you offended over toshiba or george bush?
[05:49] <Minataku> lithium_: Though seriously, what makes you say that?
[05:49] <Minataku> lithium_: The comparison
[05:49] <bigmoe> ok
[05:49] <lithium_> because they  both monumentally SUCK at their intended purposes
[05:49] <bigmoe> somehting is wrong with the acer site
[05:50] <Minataku> lithium_: So you just don't like them for no reason.
[05:50] <lithium_> toshibas are fine i will say generally, but they tend to have the WEIRDEST quirks
[05:50] <Minataku> Like what?
[05:50] <Minataku> I have 4 Toshibas
[05:50] <Minataku> From 1987 to 2003
[05:50] <Minataku> I'm on a Toshiba right now
[05:50] <lithium_> like they run great but they have the WEIRDEST little issues that are common among differant series
[05:50] <Minataku>  23:49:52 up 96 days, 19:15,  6 users,  load average: 0.13, 0.03, 0.01
[05:50] <bigmoe> im looking for a core 2 duo prcessor
[05:50] <Minataku> Worst I ever had was an ACPI kernel bug
[05:51] <Dr_willis> of coruse are not most laptops made by a few companies - for these other bigger companies?
[05:51] <erichj> you going to run a 64bit distro?
[05:51] <Minataku> Which was nobody's fault, really
[05:51] <bigmoe> i will if i have to
[05:51] <Dr_willis> Worst problem ivbe had with laptops is the *$#@&@ case's and hinges breaking
[05:51] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Heh
[05:51] <Minataku> Same, I'm sad to say
[05:51] <lithium_> like i used to have a satellite...s205 maybe? i dont remember anymore. but i had an issue with the screen shutting off whenever it felt like it, and low and behold, when i got onto toshiba forums there were 900 others with the same issue
[05:51] <Minataku> Piyoko's hinges are trashed
[05:51] <Dr_willis> even ones that get very little use. i had cracking.. took it back 3 times.
[05:51] <Minataku> But the Piyoko's taken plenty of abuse
[05:52] <Dr_willis> I got an old sony vaio laptop 'glued' to a wooden frame. :) its a Pent III
[05:52] <Minataku> *then
[05:52] <erichj> i almost bought a core 2 duo model, but i won't be using a 64bit distro until there is better support. so i went with the dual core 32bit instead
[05:52] <ToddEDM2> !offtopic
[05:52] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:52] <ToddEDM2> lol
[05:52] <lithium_> and another one i had, that series commonly had a power port that stopped working
[05:52] <Minataku> Piyoko, BTW, a Toshiba Satellite A25-S207
[05:52] <Dr_willis> 64bitness.. will it be the 'standard' here in a year...   or not. :)
[05:52] <Minataku> lithium_: Sounds like you managed to be unlucky
[05:52] <bigmoe> im going for a 2gz processor
[05:52] <bigmoe> i c
[05:53] <Minataku> Like I said, I have 4 of them, three "second-hand" and one "bought-new"
[05:53] <Minataku> All excellent
[05:53] <bigmoe> i want to be able to use my laptop 4 a long time lol
[05:53] <lithium_> thats what i figured cause i usually am. but there were always 800 ppl online complaining of the same thing.
[05:53] <lithium_> there was actually a suit or whatever for my model, like if you filed they would replace it.
[05:53] <erichj> bigmoe: linux sys requirements don't increase at the rate mac os and windows do.
[05:53] <Minataku> A recall
[05:53] <bigmoe> i know
[05:53] <Minataku> It happens
[05:53] <lithium_> yeah those
[05:53] <Minataku> Nobody's perfect :P
[05:54] <lithium_> its probably me though. thats just my luck.
[05:54] <bigmoe> but i might be using it for 8 years
[05:54] <lithium_> i loved my satellite though. it got stolen by a crackhead :(
[05:54] <bigmoe> lol
[05:54] <Minataku> lithium_: >.<
[05:54] <lithium_> id still have it otherwise.
[05:54] <erichj> just don't buy a mac. you can get core 2 duo models cheaper
[05:54] <intelikey> 1 ! c y ppl u's totally unreadable cod3 in IRC
[05:54] <Dr_willis> 8 years.. bah.
[05:54] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Too short?
[05:54] <Minataku> I put 5 years as the useful life of a system
[05:54] <Minataku> Though that was 10 years ago
[05:55] <bigmoe> show me where? i havent seen and 2ghz duo 2 core
[05:55] <Dr_willis> at the rate laptop prices are dropping - in 2 years $300 ones will be common.
[05:55] <bigmoe> any*
[05:55] <Minataku> Piyoko is approaching 4 and still well in useful territory
[05:55] <ToddEDM2> hey guys, is there a distro that is more user friendly than ubuntu kubuntu?
[05:55] <Dr_willis> ya can get lucky and find $350 laptops now. :)
[05:55] <Dr_willis> ToddEDM2,  define 'user friendly'
[05:55] <ToddEDM2> pretty
[05:55] <ToddEDM2> haha
[05:56] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 define user friendly
[05:56] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, th3y r try1ng 2 shw thr 1337n3ss :)
[05:56] <intelikey> hitmanWilly prolly
[05:56] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:56] <Minataku> Haha
[05:56] <Dr_willis> Doh! i could of sent that to you Minataku  :)
[05:56] <Minataku> Leetness in a 4 year old laptop? XD
[05:56] <bigmoe> i have not seen any really good $350 laptops
[05:57] <Minataku> A bit too behind to be considered "1337"
[05:57] <ToddEDM2> user friendly = easy to pick up and learn...... lots of gui
[05:57] <DaSkreech> yay firefox froze
[05:57] <lithium_> so anyways what command do i run on what file to install a app?
[05:57] <Minataku> A fancy interface doesn't mean it's user friendly
[05:58] <Dr_willis> I dont see how 'lots of gui' follows. :0
[05:58] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 heh,  my def. "does exactly what i tell it to, and nothing more. no questions asked,"
[05:58] <DaSkreech> lithium_: if it's a .deb you can run sudo dpkg -i
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> ToddEDM2, ubuntu is probably about the easiest out there right now...at least for the point and click crowd
[05:58] <erichj> maybe not 2ghz sub $1000 but a 1.8ghz c2d with 1gb and 160gb storage sub $1000 is doable
[05:58] <Dr_willis> these days it seems "user Friendly" = "Limiting the Users Options. so the Brain Dead idiot cant get confused"
[05:58] <ToddEDM2> thanks hitmanWilly...
[05:58] <bigmoe> which company
[05:58] <bigmoe> ??
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> ToddEDM2, however, when trying to get in and play with the guts of it it gets to be a pita
[05:59] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Like GNOME
[05:59] <erichj> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834146293
[05:59] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 but there are three or maybe four major distros that do specialize in what you asked for,  this one.  mandriva suse and +/- fedora
[05:59] <Minataku> hitmanWilly: I'm NOT the only one who thinks [knows]  that!
[06:00] <Minataku> Yeah, *buntu is really a pain when it comes to trying to break free of the hand-holding
[06:00] <ToddEDM2> Dr_willis whats wrong with that
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> :) all it takes to see it is trying a kernel recompile, or a source code build...
[06:00] <DaSkreech> lithium_: there are a few different ways to install linux programs
[06:00] <Dr_willis> ToddEDM2,  when a 'idiotproofed' system breaks. its 100x harder to actually FIX. since you have to figure out how to get around all the idiot-proofing
[06:00] <ToddEDM2> intelikey..... i think im gonna try fedora
[06:00] <intelikey> Minataku well, if that's the case i should have no trubble with other distros
[06:01] <ToddEDM2> haha
[06:01] <Dr_willis> and if the Idiot-proofed system dosent do what you want.. you are stuck.
[06:01] <DaSkreech> are there any none gui distross ?
[06:01] <Dr_willis> DaSkreech,  yes several.
[06:01] <Dr_willis> Trustix used to be one. not sure any more.
[06:01] <erichj> ToddEDM2: fedora core 7 is nice, their reps are too slow otherwise i would be using it
[06:01] <Dr_willis> severalk other fileserver/server disrtos.
[06:01] <Minataku> Idiot-proof systems are also Genius-proof
[06:01] <Minataku> That's the fundamental problem
[06:01] <Minataku> It has to be locked down so tight that a doofus can't break it
[06:02] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 if it's convinient try them all,  you never know what will like you until you meat it.
[06:02] <Minataku> The side effect is that it's locked down so tight that nobody can fix it
[06:03] <intelikey> "if you make it idiot proof, they'll just make a better idiot"
[06:03] <Markeda> Wasn't there a website that had a nice Q&A for people to figure out which distro's might be good for them? (Or several sites?)
[06:03] <Minataku> intelikey: That's the other problem
[06:03] <Minataku> It's never idiot proof
[06:03] <Minataku> Those idiots STILL break it all the time
[06:03] <hitmanWilly> sudo rm -rf / still works every time :)
[06:04] <intelikey> hitmanWilly not nearly as well as cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda
[06:04] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: yeah please stop saying that :)
[06:04] <Markeda> :/ The first time I tried Linux (a couple years ago) I was about to do that when someone was joking about how it would fix a problem I had :/
[06:04] <bigmoe> sudo rm -rf /dev/cdrom :)
[06:04] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, yeah, that one too :P
[06:04] <Minataku> bigmoe: That'll work
[06:05] <Minataku> It'll delete the cdrom device (or symlink)
[06:05] <Minataku> Anyway, my colon has crashed and is requesting I write a dump to /dev/toilet
[06:05] <intelikey> mount /dev/null -t none /
[06:05] <hitmanWilly> roflmao...
[06:05] <intelikey> :)
[06:06] <hitmanWilly> borking your system, 101 :)
[06:06] <bigmoe> lol 200 people in the channel ruins of and do it
[06:06] <intelikey> ruins ?
[06:06] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, for a good laugh put that in fstab :)
[06:07] <intelikey> lol
[06:07] <DaSkreech> runs
[06:07] <intelikey> hitmanWilly on whos system ?
[06:07] <DaSkreech> cause penguins are sheeple
[06:07] <hitmanWilly> someone who really pissed you off :P
[06:07] <bigmoe> runs*
[06:07] <bigmoe> lol
[06:07] <intelikey> hey penguins are sheeple too
[06:08] <lithium_> the only info im getting through google is using the ./configure command whcih is not working at all
[06:08] <intelikey> hitmanWilly heh,   yeah but i'd have to fix it for them...   and it would loose all it's flavour
[06:08] <hitmanWilly> lol
[06:08] <intelikey> lithium_ got build-essential ?
[06:09] <intelikey> got milk ?
[06:09] <intelikey> no never mind that last one.
[06:09] <lithium_> uh no but i will if need be lol
[06:09] <DaSkreech> lithium_: you are installing from the .deb ?
[06:09] <lithium_> like what type of file am i looking for? .jar? .so? .war?
[06:10] <amine> hello
[06:10] <erichj> sweet, comedy central roast of william shatner is on
[06:10] <DaSkreech> lithium_: did you say you had downloaded to /var/tmp something somthing ?
[06:10] <intelikey> well if it's talking about the configure file  it's source and youll need b-e
[06:10] <intelikey> !b-e
[06:10] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:10] <DaSkreech> intelikey: she got that from google
[06:10] <intelikey> oh
[06:10] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, actually, echo that into fstab with a suid root bash script, find a way to auto distribute it, and no one would have any idea you did it until servers across the net started dropping like flies
[06:10] <lithium_> as i stand now, i downloaded the tarball to my dsktop and extracted it to a folder i renamed "Frostwire.noarch"
[06:10] <intelikey> well what is the issue ?
[06:11] <lithium_> i directed Konsole into that folder
[06:11] <lithium_> and im asking what command to run on what file?
[06:11] <erichj> is there a file called configure?
[06:11] <DaSkreech> sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[06:11] <lithium_> i shall check
[06:11] <DaSkreech> lithium_: type ls
[06:12] <DaSkreech> lithium_: get the first three letters of the file
[06:12] <erichj> ls | grep configure
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> proof of concept for a nix virus...sneak it into one of the major distros repos and you've got yourself a genuine linux virus...
[06:12] <DaSkreech> then type sudo dpkg -i fro<tab>
[06:12] <intelikey> lithium_ "tarball to my dsktop"   that's source.  you'll have to install build-essential (if it's not installed) to build it.    but please look for a .deb first and save us all a head ache
[06:12] <DaSkreech> intelikey: it's a deb
[06:12] <erichj> haha
[06:13] <intelikey> DaSkreech tarball is a .deb ?
[06:13] <DaSkreech> no she has a deb
[06:13] <hitmanWilly> anyway...
[06:13] <DaSkreech> from frostwire's site
[06:14] <intelikey> ok.  if it's a .deb    sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[06:14] <lithium_> its not a .deb its a tar ball
[06:14] <lithium_> when i try to download the .deb, it asks me what application i want to oepn it with. and i choose konsole, and nothing happens
[06:15] <intelikey> lithium_ nope.  it's not    they all told me it wasn't  you must be mistaken......   :)
[06:15] <DaSkreech> lithium_: you said you had a file at file:///var/tmp/kdecache somthing right ?
[06:15] <lithium_> you CAN choose to download a .deb but not only does that happen but its for i586 or something im on i386
[06:16] <DaSkreech> lithium_: what proc do you have ?
[06:16] <Dr_willis>  frostwire-4.13.1.7.i586.deb   works fine for me
[06:16] <DaSkreech> !worksforme
[06:16] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[06:16] <erichj> don't open it in konsole
[06:16] <Dr_willis> since the program is written in java - it DOSENT matter.
[06:16] <lithium_> Intel celeron D. dont laugh at me. im in the middle of upgrading.
[06:16] <erichj> use a package manager
[06:16] <intelikey> save it as a file
[06:16] <Dr_willis> so it should work for you.
[06:17] <Dr_willis> Thats sort of the point of java. :)
[06:17] <lithium_> wait i dont think i have java
[06:17] <Dr_willis> Unless they got some other speciic bits
[06:17] <intelikey> !java | lithium_
[06:17] <ubotu> lithium_: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:17] <Dr_willis> so install java.. install that deb. and it will work for you. :) perhaps.
[06:17] <lithium_> i know how to install java.
[06:17] <lithium_> lol
[06:18] <Kite_DH> hes just helping
[06:18] <Kite_DH> lol
[06:18] <intelikey> is he ?    am i ?
[06:18] <Kite_DH> O_O hes not?
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[06:18] <Dr_willis> works for me. :0
[06:18] <Kite_DH> :<
[06:18] <Dr_willis> heh
[06:19] <Dr_willis> Now ive no idea why they call that package a i586  - wonder what all is in there.
[06:19] <lithium_> can i use a amd64 file if i have a 64 bit intel?
[06:19] <klobster> ok, I screwed up my grub and I tried to fix it using the install disk, and it may have copied files over my root partition.  partition is there, files intact (it was mounted without formatting, FWIW).  Question: I am running Ext3, is it possible to do a journal check to see what if anything has been done to my partition?
[06:19] <erichj> lithium_: yes
[06:19] <lithium_> its the same architecture so i would think so
[06:19] <lithium_> ok cool
[06:19] <intelikey> we're entirely too playfull in here today...
[06:19] <klobster> sorry for the long question
[06:19] <DaSkreech> lithium_: ys but it might not work as well as a i686 :)
[06:19] <lithium_> i have i386
[06:20] <DaSkreech> !fskc
[06:20] <erichj> i wouldn't say that x86-64 is the same as emt64
[06:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fskc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:20] <DaSkreech> !fsck
[06:20] <ubotu> fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[06:20] <erichj> !fsck
[06:20] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  No.. It depends on what disrto you isntalled.
[06:20] <klobster> fsck (and e2fsck) only check  the filesystem, no?  will it check files for touch dates, etc?
[06:21] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  if you installed the 64bit ubuntu - you want the 64bit packages..
[06:21] <lithium_> ok jesus...NOW when i click on the Java install package, it asks me what to open it with, so i choose add/removeprograms, and then im asked for my password, and nothing happens.....
[06:21] <lithium_> oh boy.....
[06:21] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  clicking what where?
[06:21] <Dr_willis> whats with all this clicking> :)
[06:21] <DaSkreech> lithium_: Eh?
[06:21] <intelikey> klobster unless you -f it won't even look at the fs,  only the journal
[06:21] <DaSkreech> lithium_: did you read the !java
[06:21] <lithium_> the what?
[06:21] <erichj> ubotu: java
[06:21] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install  sun-java6-jre       - like the !java factoid "vaguely' said :)
[06:22] <Dr_willis> thats the proper way to install java on ubuntu.
[06:22] <klobster> intelikey: thank you, that's what I wanted to hear.
[06:22] <intelikey> she knows how to install java
[06:22] <DaSkreech> intelikey: by clicking on it :)
[06:22] <intelikey> shhhh!
[06:22] <klobster> ok, so fsck or e2fsck?
[06:23] <DaSkreech> lithium_: I'm going to assume that you haven't added any repos yet ?
[06:23] <intelikey> same program
[06:23] <DaSkreech> klobster: fsck is the safe bet
[06:23] <DaSkreech> lithium_: let me know if yo have no clue what I'm talking about :)
[06:25] <lithium_> what the f is a repo?
[06:25] <Dr_willis> !repo
[06:25] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:25] <Dr_willis> time to hit the ubuntu/Kubuntu FUNdamentals! :0
[06:25] <intelikey> short hand for repository
[06:25] <Dr_willis> !info  sun-java6-jre
[06:25] <ubotu> sun-java6-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-00-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 6176 kB, installed size 14148 kB
[06:25] <intelikey> not to be confused with a supository
[06:26] <DaSkreech> intelikey: oh my!
[06:26] <intelikey> well it wouldn't be a good idea to confuse them...
[06:26] <Dr_willis> component multiverse -is the repositority its in. :)
[06:27] <hitmanWilly> one goes on the computer, one up the backside...now which is which :P
[06:28] <intelikey> obviously the other one....
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> oh, of course :)
[06:28] <klobster> safe to assume this will take awhile?
[06:28] <intelikey> depends klobster
[06:29] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I'm shuddering trying to think of using universe as a suppository
[06:29] <intelikey> speed of drive speed of cpu size of fs and number of files and data on the fs
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> the fscking server won't fit!!! XD
[06:29] <DaSkreech> lithium_: Want help?
[06:30] <lithium_> oh sorry yes lol
[06:30] <hitmanWilly> ok, enough of that
[06:30] <DaSkreech> lithium_: where are you?
[06:30] <lithium_> im in my bedroom.
[06:30] <lithium_> lol
[06:30] <lithium_> jk
[06:31] <lithium_> im in terminal, directed to /home/lithium/Desktop/Frostwire.noarch (which is the app folder i downloaded)
[06:31] <klobster>  blocks
[06:32] <Dr_willis> app folder you downloaded?
[06:32] <DaSkreech> lithium_: press alt+space
[06:32] <DaSkreech> lithium_: then type adept and pres enter
[06:33] <klobster> ok SO I sudo fsck /dev/sda3 it runs pass1/2/3/4/5 (all checking etc), announces  files and blocks (3.2% non-contigous).  does that mean it did anything?
[06:33] <klobster> nothing says fixed "X"
[06:34] <lithium_> alrghty,....
[06:35] <DaSkreech> lithium_: opened adept?
[06:35] <inteliwasp> where can i find a good idiot's(that being me...) guide to installing programs by compiling them?
[06:35] <intelikey> klobster that means it checked the fs  and found no errors.
[06:35] <lithium_> yep
[06:35] <klobster> that can't be right
[06:35] <klobster> root.pacman contains a file system with errors, check forced
[06:35] <erichj> never question fsck
[06:36] <lithium_> alright im in adept
[06:36] <DaSkreech> lithium_: ok under the menus go adpet -> manage repos
[06:36] <intelikey> klobster no that means it was not cleanly umounted   not that it actually has errors
[06:36] <DaSkreech> adept even
[06:36] <mo0osah> I have been using azureus for a while, right now, i'm trying to open it but it doest do anything
[06:36] <lithium_> k just a sec
[06:37] <klobster> ok, cool.  maybe no files were overwritten, then?
[06:37] <lithium_> alrighty then
[06:38] <DaSkreech> lithium_: this is feisty right ?
[06:38] <lithium_> fiesty?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> mo0osah: open it from the konsole
[06:38] <lithium_> i have no knowledge as to what feisty is.....
[06:39] <Dr_willis> !feisty
[06:39] <ubotu> Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) is the latest version of Kubuntu. Upgrading to Feisty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[06:39] <DaSkreech> lithium_: do you have a dialog with checkboxes or a page with a lot of writing?
[06:39] <ToddEDM2> how do i make myself root
[06:39] <intelikey> lithium_ in a konsole type    lsb_release -a
[06:39] <DaSkreech> ToddEDM2: use sudo
[06:39] <Dr_willis> k/Ubuntu has cute animal names for the diofferent versions :)
[06:39] <ToddEDM2> sudo sh -?
[06:39] <DaSkreech> ToddEDM2: sudo -i
[06:39] <lithium_> in adept itself or in the add repository box?
[06:39] <Dr_willis> sudo -s  - is what i use :0
[06:40] <lithium_> well they both have checkboxes
[06:40] <DaSkreech> lithium_: add repository box
[06:40] <DaSkreech> lithium_: two of them are unchecked ?
[06:40] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 sudo -i    sudo -s    sudo su -    sudo sh   the order is most to least desirable
[06:41] <lithium_> ok when im in adept, and i go to :manage repositories" i get a box that is titled "software sources"
[06:41] <ToddEDM2> what are the -i, -s, su- called?
[06:41] <ToddEDM2> flags?
[06:41] <lithium_> with tabs labels third party software, updates, authentication, and statistics
[06:42] <intelikey> first two are args/flags the last is a program/command
[06:42] <DaSkreech> lithium_: right the first one has two checkmarks not checked ?
[06:42] <lithium_> actually all of mine are checked
[06:43] <ToddEDM2> i cant search directories as root
[06:43] <ToddEDM2> ....
[06:43] <ToddEDM2> is that normal
[06:43] <ToddEDM2> search, i mean navigate
[06:43] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 navigate how ?
[06:43] <ToddEDM2> dir
[06:44] <ToddEDM2> cd Desktop
[06:44] <ToddEDM2> like that
[06:44] <lithium_> gots to pee brb, keep talking
[06:44] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 heh   no.   root can go anywhere in the system.
[06:44] <ToddEDM2> im trying to install these nvidia drivers, and i need to be logged in as root
[06:44] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 there prolly isn't a /root/Desktop/
[06:44] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  heck.  i think i ran some progaram and it asked to modivy my sources.list i aint had to touch it to get the other repos.
[06:45] <intelikey> ToddEDM2    pwd
[06:45] <lithium_> ok back
[06:45] <Dr_willis> ToddEDM2,   if you use the package manager to isntall the nvidia packages inthe repos. its much easier.
[06:46] <hitmanWilly> ToddEDM2, plus if they're from the site you'll have to kill X to install them...and play around with some config files to boot
[06:46] <intelikey> Dr_willis yeah.   "aint had to touch it"  translates in my ears as  " M$ like POS is modifying system files without me "
[06:46] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  no.. it asked.. i clicked yes.. :)
[06:47] <Dr_willis> ive not had to touch it SINCE that time.
[06:47] <ToddEDM2> i installed NVidia binary X.org driver .... is that what i shoulda been downloading
[06:47] <ToddEDM2> ?
[06:47] <intelikey> well that's only one step away.   that's what M$ used to do.....
[06:47] <Dr_willis> ToddEDM2,  ya should of been followign the !nvidia factoid
[06:47] <Dr_willis> !nvidia
[06:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:48] <DaSkreech> lithium_: ok you can close adept
[06:48] <DaSkreech> lithium_: you can type sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[06:49] <klobster> lets assume it's in working order.  can i mount my root partition as root in LiveCD, so I can try to fix my grub, or do I need to do it manually?
[06:50] <DaSkreech> lithium_: tried the command I just told you?
[06:51] <Dr_willis> klobster,  that would be fixingit manually :)
[06:51] <Dr_willis> mount the root partition, chroot over to it. fix it.
[06:51] <intelikey> klobster no but you don't need to....    mount your root partition on /mnt/  and do   sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt  /dev/sda    or whatever you disk it.
[06:51] <intelikey> s/it/is/
[06:51] <lithium_> alrighty then.
[06:52] <lithium_> sorry my taskbar didnt flash to indicte someone was talking to me...
[06:52] <intelikey> page up
[06:52] <DaSkreech> lithium_: that installs java
[06:52] <DaSkreech> lithium_: using konversation ?
[06:53] <lithium_> E: Type 'jre-6u1-linux-amd64.bin' is not known on line 44 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:53] <lithium_> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[06:53] <lithium_> no i use xchat
[06:53] <DaSkreech> ?
[06:53] <Dr_willis> I think someone did some sort of booboo somewhere.
[06:53] <DaSkreech> lithium_: can you paste bin your sources.list ?
[06:54] <DaSkreech> lithium_: the file is /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:54] <intelikey> type  hehe
[06:54] <Dr_willis> any special reason you are using amd64? you installed the 64bit version of Kuubuntu?
[06:55] <michael__> how do i search for nautilus in processses?
[06:55] <Jucato> !pastebin | lithium_
[06:55] <ubotu> lithium_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:55] <klobster> intelikey: I have a separate boot partition that I Installed grub on (not the MBR)
[06:55] <lithium_> calright
[06:55] <michael__> helo?
[06:55] <michael__> !processes
[06:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about processes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:55] <intelikey> klobster ?
[06:55] <michael__> //////////////////////////////////////
[06:56] <intelikey> klobster so grub is not you boot manager ?
[06:56] <ToddEDM2> good night guys
[06:56] <Dr_willis> michael__,  ps ax | grep pattern
[06:56] <michael__> thanks
[06:56] <intelikey> ToddEDM2
[06:56] <Dr_willis> linux fundamentals
[06:56] <ToddEDM2> hey before i go...
[06:56] <lithium_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25807/
[06:56] <mo0osah> DaSkreech: It opens up and everything and then gives me an error in console
[06:56] <ToddEDM2> is there any distro that will have my nvidia drivers installed when i install the OS?
[06:56] <Dr_willis> ToddEDM2,  that MintLinux migt
[06:57] <Dr_willis> ToddEDM2,  it takes me all of say.. 3 min to get Nvidia going on a clean install
[06:57] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 outside chance suse would  but not likely
[06:57] <Dr_willis> most disrtos these days make it rather trivial to get nvidia drivers going.
[06:57] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 the drivers are not free
[06:58] <intelikey> beer/air ^
[06:58] <michael__> ugh
[06:58] <michael__> how do i kill all?
[06:58] <inteliwasp> where can i find a good idiot's(that being me...) guide to installing programs by compiling them?
[06:58] <intelikey> killall blah
[06:58] <Dr_willis> michael__,  you may want to clarifh that question a bit.
[06:58] <Dr_willis> !source
[06:58] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[06:58] <michael__> like thsi fucking process idea
[06:58] <michael__> id*
[06:58] <michael__> for nautilus, it wont die
[06:58] <Dr_willis> !compile
[06:58] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:58] <klobster> intelikey: oh yeah the querstion.  No grub is my boot manager, but it boots off of sda1.  the question: will running --root-directory take into account the boot partition?
[06:58] <michael__> it keeps restarting
[06:59] <michael__> i want it DEAD
[06:59] <Dr_willis> michael__,  try xkill
[06:59] <intelikey> kill -9 -1   michael__
[06:59] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: how do i find them after i compile them?
[06:59] <intelikey> klobster no.  you'll have to mount it    sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot
[06:59] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  you pay attention to where 'make install' puts them...
[06:59] <ToddEDM2> goodnight
[07:00] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  or you tell them where to isntall to during the ./configure phase
[07:00] <intelikey> when umounting reverse the order klobster   umount /mnt/boot    then  /mnt/
[07:00] <inteliwasp> thanks
[07:00] <intelikey> inteliwasp or use find if you know part of the name
[07:01] <intelikey> inteliwasp  'man find'  but a short example; find /usr/ -iname *example*
[07:01] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: oh, do i use sudo for all commands?
[07:02] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  depends on the commands
[07:02] <inteliwasp> when installing...
[07:02] <Dr_willis> normally to install somthing system wide you use 'sudo make install' and thats it.
[07:02] <Dr_willis> as the last command.
[07:02] <inteliwasp> what about configure?
[07:02] <klobster> intelikey: original issue: grub boots, but I get an error 15 when I choose a kernel
[07:02] <intelikey> normal;   ./configure && make && sudo make install
[07:02] <Dr_willis> as i just said.. sudo make install... thats it.. :)
[07:03] <DaSkreech> mo0osah: what error?
[07:03] <Dr_willis> you dont need sudo for the others.
[07:03] <inteliwasp> k
[07:03] <klobster> intelikey: is /mnt importttant? can it be /something I made?
[07:03] <intelikey> klobster 15  refresh my memory what is that error ?
[07:03] <klobster> intelikey: file not found?
[07:03] <Minataku> klobster: Uh oh
[07:04] <intelikey> klobster yes /what-ever_like\'_you/
[07:04] <Minataku> You're the second one tonight
[07:04] <hitmanWilly> grub cmd line it is :)
[07:04] <Minataku> hitmanWilly: Not even
[07:04] <DaSkreech> lithium_: do you have sources open?
[07:04] <Minataku> If it's like the last guy, his /etc/fstab is hosed
[07:04] <Minataku> He'll NEVER boot properly
[07:04] <klobster> hitmanwilly: didn't work
[07:05] <intelikey> Minataku you can boot without an /etc/fstab
[07:05] <Minataku> klobster: Get a LiveCD... you'll be needing one
[07:05] <lithium_> im sorry?
[07:05] <Minataku> Last guy booted with the SuperGRUB floppy
[07:05] <Minataku> klobster: By chance did you just do a kernel update?
[07:05] <klobster> minataku: yeah that's right.  I tried to set by label, because something kept switching my drives between /dev/sda and /dev/hda.  I'm on the fiesty liveCD right now,
[07:06] <klobster> minataku: kernel update screwed it the first time, something else the second.
[07:06] <hitmanWilly> great, the hda/sda issue...
[07:06] <intelikey> klobster that "something" is called "scsi emulation" not one of ubuntu's better ideas...
[07:06] <Minataku> intelikey: WRONG
[07:06] <Minataku> Well, partially
[07:07] <Minataku> SCSI Emulation is wonderful
[07:07] <klobster> hitmanwilly: you would think that if you were going to change a STANARDD you would announce and give time for people to adjust...
[07:07] <Minataku> When it's NOT applied to PATA devices
[07:07] <intelikey> Minataku or scsi
[07:07] <Minataku> When PATA devices suddenly become sdx, all hell breaks loose
[07:08] <hitmanWilly> i do believe the hd devs are still there as symlinks for routine stuff...
[07:08] <intelikey> and when you emulate what hardware is already doing it's not funny either
[07:08] <hitmanWilly> oh yes it is :)
[07:08] <intelikey> well funny maybe   :)
[07:09] <Minataku> I have no real SCSI
[07:09] <intelikey> as far as my vote  even  udev  was a mistake
[07:09] <Minataku> I have PATA and USB
[07:10] <hitmanWilly> klobster, you could always change fstab to UUIDs to solve this issue in the future
[07:10] <Minataku> udev is great, a lot better than the typical "make a node for every possible device we'll ever possibly have so "ls /dev" takes up 5 screens" approach
[07:10] <Minataku> While I thouroughly hate the UUID plan
[07:10] <intelikey> it all falls back to the idiot proof paradigm
[07:10] <Minataku> I may end up doing it
[07:10] <klobster> all: so i set labels, and did a reboot, and it died, after (maybe) clearing my device.map and boning my menu.lst, I can get it to boot to a busybox if I do a manual announce of root and kernel
[07:11] <Minataku> intelikey: Not udev, no
[07:11] <Minataku> Hardly
[07:11] <klobster> hitmanwilly: I was changing to fstab to label; I think thats how I got here
[07:11] <Minataku> Label was never a good way of doing it
[07:12] <hitmanWilly> klobster, do you have a backup of your old fstab? at least something to boot with?
[07:12] <Minataku> In fact, it was always a pretty horrible way of doing it
[07:12] <Minataku> hitmanWilly: The fstab can be rebuilt
[07:12] <Minataku> It was done earlier
[07:12] <Minataku> Same issue
[07:12] <Minataku> Hosed fstab
[07:12] <klobster> I dont see how /dev/disk/by-label/"labl" is any different than /dev/sda
[07:12] <Minataku> klobster: UUID is the best alternate to doing it by device
[07:13] <Minataku> Which seems to be a permanent change kernel-wise
[07:13] <hitmanWilly> err, /dev entries heh...
[07:13] <Minataku> Which pisses me off
[07:13] <Minataku> Especially for external devices and floppy drives, though I'm sure I can still put those in the fstab by dev entry
[07:14] <Minataku> hitmanWilly: Mine are all by dev entry too
[07:14] <Minataku> That's the way it's always been done
[07:14] <intelikey>  /dev entries are never an issue unless your system adds and removes them for you.....
[07:14] <Minataku> Which is what really pisses me off here
[07:14] <Minataku> The fact that it looks like there may be, more or less, a forced change
[07:14] <hitmanWilly> Minataku, comes from having to hand write it out :)
[07:14] <Minataku> Though I'm running a 2.6.20 kernel and have no such hda/sda issue
[07:14] <klobster> yup.  If I didn't know as much as I do about linux (which is still nothing) I would've been screwed.
[07:15] <Minataku> Then again, I'm running a vanilla 2.6.20 kernel
[07:15] <Minataku> Whereas *buntu is using some no doubt horrifically bastardized kernel
[07:15] <hitmanWilly> 2.6.21 here, and same deal
[07:15] <Minataku> hitmanWilly: Perhaps us Gentoo users are safe from all this madness after all
[07:15] <hitmanWilly> welcome to ubuntu where EVERYTHING is a module
[07:15] <intelikey> ^5
[07:16] <Minataku> XD
[07:16] <Minataku> Sorry
[07:16] <klobster> so uuid is pulled directly from the drive, that is why it's better?
[07:16] <Minataku> j/k, BTW ;3
[07:16] <Minataku> Better off, maybe
[07:16] <intelikey> wrong
[07:16] <intelikey> uuid is pulled from the fs
[07:17] <klobster> so what is the diff between using uuid and /dev
[07:17] <Minataku> UUID the kernel has to read the fs and grab the UUID
[07:17] <intelikey> format an fs you changed the uuid    /dev/blah refers dirrectly to the paece of hardware +/- the partition number
[07:18] <Minataku> I
[07:18] <Minataku> Damn it
[07:18] <Minataku> I'm just a stubborn old man, despite being only 22
[07:18] <Minataku> XD
[07:19] <intelikey> me too despite being,,,, lets not go there...
[07:19] <klobster> so how is that different from /dev/disk/by-label/FOO
[07:20] <intelikey> i'm really not familear with that but i haven't addressed it either.
[07:20] <Minataku> Oh, those labels
[07:20] <Minataku> Sorry, I was thinking another kind
[07:21] <Minataku> Where a particular drive/partition/fs was given a name elsewhere then referred to by said name
[07:21] <Minataku> Which I always thought was very messy and generally poor practice
[07:21] <klobster> wendy's (and nintendo wii) has a hilarious new commercial
[07:21] <intelikey> regaurdless.  the issue with any /dev/*  and ubuntu is that the initramfs image has to mount the root fs before the fstab is read anyway.
[07:21] <klobster> minataku: oh yeah that way, LABEL="FOO", no that is bad form
[07:22] <intelikey> extreemly bad form
[07:22] <intelikey> i say.
[07:22] <hitmanWilly> ditto
[07:24] <klobster> I found /dev/disk/by-label/FOO to be a mnemonically frindly uuid method
[07:24] <klobster> *friendly
[07:24] <intelikey> it's not uuid
[07:25] <klobster> intelikey: but it basically is, it's stored the same, and it is erased on format
[07:25] <intelikey> and i hardly see how any code can be "forced" upon us... this is linux, if you don't like it fix it.
[07:25] <klobster> plus if you are setting up mass installs, it's one less line to edit
[07:26] <intelikey> klobster noted
[07:26] <klobster> sorry, this got off topic.  I should stop
[07:27] <intelikey> ls /dev/ | wc -l
[07:27] <intelikey> 6154
[07:27] <rifle> hola a todos
[07:27] <intelikey> !es | rifle
[07:27] <ubotu> rifle: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:27] <klobster> ok, so runnin grub-install --root-directory=/mnt  /dev/sda will do what, exactly?
[07:28] <intelikey> klobster reinstall grub
[07:28] <klobster> to where?
[07:28] <intelikey> to the MBR where it was
[07:29] <klobster> ah, that is why you said sda, and not sda1
[07:29] <intelikey> but you noted that you changed  /mnt  to /something
[07:29] <klobster> yeah, cut n paste from the log
[07:29] <intelikey> klobster yes that's why
[07:31] <SillyZ> anyone know a good systemwide backup solution for ubunut/kubuntu/linux ?
[07:32] <DaSkreech> !backup
[07:32] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[07:32] <klobster> so if I specify my boot partition (sda1) it should install to sda1's superblock?
[07:32] <intelikey> klobster yes,  and fail to boot   unless you are using another boot loader or can make sda1 boot.
[07:33] <klobster> intelikey I'm covered there.
[07:33] <DaSkreech> ok bed
[07:33] <klobster> intelikey just wanted to make sure it wasn't expecting an Mbr and wipe out my boot part
[07:33] <intelikey> not actually "superblock" "boot record"
[07:34] <intelikey> if it did write to the superblock the fs would be hosed
[07:34] <intelikey> not unrecoverably but hosed none the less
[07:35] <intelikey> DaSkreech  chair
[07:35] <intelikey> :)
[07:35] <DaSkreech> I see your chair and raise you a hammock
[07:35] <intelikey> too rich for my blood
[07:35] <intelikey> fold
[07:36] <intelikey> err  fold -s
[07:36] <intelikey> err  fold -sw 40
[07:37] <klobster> intelikey: so (let's pretend this was my properly mounted system) I grub-install --root-directory=/ /boot ?
[07:37] <intelikey> no not /boot  that will fail.  /dev/sda1
[07:38] <intelikey> iirc
[07:39] <pawitp> Is there anyway to batch rename files like in XP?
[07:39] <intelikey> i hope not.
[07:39] <klobster> root dir is "mount point" and install is to "device to be mounted?"
[07:39] <intelikey>  install is to "device to be 'booted'"
[07:40] <klobster> intelikey: I think he means is there a better way than xp's batch rename...
[07:40] <intelikey> bios must read in grub  then grub must use bios to read in what ever it calls
[07:40] <klobster> intelikey: I gotcha,   maybe that does make sense.
[07:41] <intelikey> klobster but the --* would be useless if the root was /
[07:41] <intelikey> i.e.   sudo grub-install /dev/blah
[07:41] <klobster> right because it would default to /
[07:42] <intelikey> root is root is root is root is root
[07:42] <intelikey> except on my system of course
[07:43] <klobster> how so?
[07:43] <intelikey> ?  / = /   ???
[07:43] <intelikey> or the exception part ?
[07:44] <intelikey> exception.   rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
[07:44] <klobster> uhh...  pretty sure I got that / =~ /
[07:44] <intelikey> how many system have type rootfs /  ???
[07:46] <klobster> diskless workstations?
[07:46] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/37445
[07:47] <intelikey> klobster you almost guessed it didn't you
[07:49] <klobster> is it a ramdisk?
[07:50] <intelikey> yes
[07:51] <klobster> is it one of those fake drives where you can install sticks of sdram?
[07:51] <klobster> or just right off the board?
[07:51] <intelikey> onboard
[07:51] <intelikey> simple cheep
[07:51] <intelikey> crude but affective
[07:52] <klobster> thats either a really fast system or a super slow system
[07:52] <intelikey> yep
[07:52] <klobster> depending on how much memory you allocate for function
[07:52] <intelikey> it works,  it's nothing to write home about
[07:52] <klobster> why the low end gear?
[07:53] <intelikey> but for a p2 class machine i like
[07:53] <intelikey> Mem usage: 9/250 MB (3%)
[07:54] <intelikey> not much running text editor irc client and a web browser   atm
[07:54] <klobster> nice.  so do you have to define your memory space before you boot?  or do you just create a swap space?
[07:55] <intelikey> klobster it's all in initramfs,  pretty nice for what i do
[07:55] <intelikey> and don't ask.
[07:55] <klobster> does it compile extra fast?
[07:55] <intelikey> no
[07:56] <intelikey> extra slow maybe...
[07:56] <intelikey> three hours to build the kernel
[07:56] <klobster> intelikey I already know what you do. you make brilliant forgeries of ascii art pictures
[07:56] <klobster> ;)
[07:56] <intelikey> :)
[07:57] <intelikey> man!   he found me out !
[07:57] <restagnerl> Anybody out there know how to set up a VPN connection using KNetwokManager?
[07:57] <intelikey> !i sorry
[07:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i sorry - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:58] <klobster> intelikey: would running grub-install affect my fstab?
[07:58] <intelikey> no
[07:59] <intelikey> might the /boot/grub/menu.lst  but not anything in /etc
[07:59] <klobster> somehow my fstab is the default "clean" one
[08:00] <intelikey> sounds like your'e looking at the live CD's /etc
[08:00] <klobster>  /pacman/etc
[08:01] <klobster> maybe this is why it died...
[08:01] <intelikey> maybe  but it's shouldn't be.   the system should boot without an /etc/fstab at all
[08:02] <intelikey> ofcourse the initscripts might burp out some errors and drop you in a root console for fsck'ing .....  but it should still boot.
[08:03] <intelikey> undescribably differance in  non-booting and booting with/without errors
[08:03] <intelikey> s/y/e/
[08:04] <klobster> yeah.  hmmm....  it' not gonna be enough to fix this, I need to nail down the issue.  but for now, I better just get it running.  i'm out, for a reboot
[08:04] <intelikey> i'll go hide while you're gone  :)
[08:05] <intelikey> awaits
[08:05] <intelikey> even
[08:05] <klobster> heh
[08:07] <klobster> just cattin files beforehand
[08:07] <intelikey> well it was fun while it lasted.   but the quarry has moved.   i'll have to follow.
[08:08] <intelikey> ok found him.  later guys
[08:17] <lycus_setesh> How can I change the "feel" of KDE, say, from Apple to Windows? I set KDE to use Mac OS X
[08:17] <lycus_setesh> feel, but in other desktop environments, the menubar interferes
[08:18] <tbtroja> lycus_setesh: I don't really understand what you're asking..
[08:18] <lycus_setesh> tbtroja: When you first run KDE, it asks you what sort of behavior you want it to emulate, ie, Apple, Windows, etc.
[08:19] <tbtroja> lycus_setesh: oh, hold on a second and I'll try to find the command to run that again if no one knows it already.
[08:19] <lycus_setesh> And right now it emulates OS X behavior, so individual QT apps all have a unified menubar.
[08:20] <tbtroja> lycus_setesh: well there's an easy way to change the menubar at the top: go to the KDE menu, click System Settings, click Desktop, and go to the Behaviour section, now you should see a "Menu Bar at Top of Screen" section of that and you can change it to what you like.
[08:21] <lycus_setesh> ah, there we go... ty, tbtroja
[08:21] <tbtroja> lycus_setesh: not a problem.
[08:22] <tbtroja> I suggest rummaging through the System Settings yourself to get everything just how you want it.
[08:22] <angel> hello world
[08:23] <lycus_setesh> tbtroja: I actually don't use KDE anymore, I just installed it to try it out. ;-)
[08:23] <angel> is there somebody there ?
[08:23] <angel> :p
[08:23] <angel> omg
[08:23] <angel> lycus_setesh ?
[08:23] <tbtroja> angel: yes, :P
[08:24] <angel> Could you tell me what is Samba exactly ? Oo
[08:24] <tbtroja> http://us1.samba.org/samba/
[08:24] <tbtroja> That can better than anyone else :P
[08:25] <angel> oke thank's lol
[08:25] <tbtroja> (Basically allows non-Windows machines to access Windows computers via network)
[08:25] <tbtroja> (For servers such as file, print, web, &c.)
[08:27] <angel> mmmh
[08:27] <angel> the best way to understand is to try ^^
[08:27] <tbtroja> True.
[08:27] <angel> =)
[08:28] <angel> name of the package = samba ? :p
[08:28] <sivaji> i  *cant* resize /dev/hd3 which is mounted at /  ?
[08:28] <angel> yep ^^
[08:28] <klobster> damn
[08:29] <sivaji> i wnat to resize that ple help me
[08:29] <tbtroja> angel: samba, yeah, there's other stuff samba-related you can install too if you like, a nice "sudo apt-cache search samba" always come in handy.
[08:29] <sivaji> jucato
[08:29] <sivaji> stdin
[08:30] <lycus_setesh> samba and smbfs are the essentials for communicating with windows/non-*nix machines.
[08:30] <tbtroja> angel: but once samba is installed you should be able to access samba shares right from Konqueror.
[08:32] <angel> tbtroja it appear that I can't access to Windows files because of a firewall :S
[08:32] <angel> appears*
[08:33] <tbtroja> Your firewall or theirs?
[08:33] <angel> theirs ?
[08:33] <angel> the firewall on my Windows partition
[08:33] <tbtroja> (machine you're on right now or the Window machine's)
[08:34] <tbtroja> Oh, I don't know anything about Windows partitions.. :|
[08:34] <angel> (I've got the 2 operating systems on this machine)
[08:34] <angel> oke lol
[08:34] <tbtroja> I didn't think you'd be able to access the Windows files via Samba unless they're both up and running.
[08:35] <angel> mmh you must be right
[08:35] <tbtroja> You may be able to manually mount the Windows partition on your Kubuntu install though.
[08:36] <angel> yeah that's done
[08:36] <parsek> how do you install acrobat reader and mozilla plugin?
[08:36] <angel> but I can't access to my Linux files from Windows =/
[08:36] <tbtroja> angel: but you can access your Windows files from Linux?
[08:37] <angel> yes
[08:37] <tbtroja> angel: hm, well, my guess would be that you would have to add a Network Place or something in your Windows partition linking to your Linux one that you want, I really don't know much about Windows though :P
[08:38] <angel> lol oke no problem thank's for all =)
[08:38] <tbtroja> angel: no problem.
[08:38] <angel> I must leave you now ; I come back in a few ;)
[08:38] <lolopop> hi
[08:39] <lolopop> I am n00b but the Alternate CD install is plain crap
[08:39] <lolopop> LVM set up is slowz as hell
[08:39] <erichj> summer time sucks because then all the kids invade IRC
[08:40] <darksoul_> anyone any idea how to install flsh java for fireforx in amd64 kubuntu?
[08:40] <darksoul_> firefox*
[08:40] <erichj> darksoul_: its a pain. it involves installing 32bit firefox
[08:40] <tbtroja> lolopop: the alternate CD is designed for "special" install cases, not just run-of-the-mill desktop/server installs.
[08:40] <erichj> darksoul_: chec the wiki
[08:40] <erichj> check
[08:41] <parsek> does anyone know how to install acrobat reader and its plugin
[08:41] <darksoul_> erichj gimme the link pls
[08:42] <erichj> http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:42] <tbtroja> erichj: I see what you mean, heh.
[08:42] <erichj> tbtroja: yeah it's not fun
[08:42] <lolopop> and won't recognize root logical volume as root the retard
[08:43] <tbtroja> Well, as long as people are respectful I'll do my best to help.
[08:43] <erichj> tbtroja: i try
[08:43] <erichj> tbtroja: anymore i have to pinch myself not to say something
[08:44] <tbtroja> erichj: haha
[08:44] <lolopop> yo I am trying LVM
[08:44] <lolopop> there should be a pure CLI way of installing Kubuntu
[08:44] <lolopop> you where you got real interaction with fdisk and other programs instead of bizzarre constrained text based crap
[08:44] <lolopop> OMG!!!111 whyyyyy it takes for ever to set up ONE logical volume??!!
[08:44] <lolopop> w00t
[08:44] <erichj> ...pinching
[08:44] <tbtroja> lolopop: it's called the server installation CD.
[08:44] <ManiDhillon> darksoul_  Hello brother! I managed to install wine!
[08:45] <tbtroja> lolopop: and calm down, we don't need any casualties.
[08:45] <erichj> ManiDhillon: if i was harrassing you earlier i apologise
[08:45] <lolopop> hey is there a way to mount all the partition in the LiveCD and mount all the LVM stuff so when the dumb install starts will see them as is?
[08:45] <lolopop> tbtroja: in the intro?
[08:45] <ManiDhillon> erichj No need for Srry! I changed my password>
[08:46] <tbtroja> lolopop: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download   --  Make sure to select the SERVER part instead of DESKTOP...
[08:47] <lolopop> tbtroja: but will I be able then to install KDE and all that stuff?
[08:47] <erichj> ...
[08:47] <lolopop> I have the ALTERNATE install CD
[08:47] <lolopop> is that one you mean?
[08:47] <tbtroja> lolopop: yes, you can install whatever you need, but KDE won't be installed by default.
[08:47] <tbtroja> lolopop: if that's giving you trouble, try the server edition.
[08:48] <lolopop> tbtroja: ok I know that
[08:48] <lolopop> that don't matter
[08:48] <lolopop> interesting
[08:48] <erichj> that's what i was thinking
[08:49] <lolopop> tbtroja: what about mounting everything beforehand  in the LiveCD?
[08:49] <lolopop> then the install program will see logical volumes as normal
[08:49] <lolopop> would that be a workaround?
[08:49] <erichj> you use gparted and manually set partitions
[08:49] <darksoul_> ManiDhillon nice :)
[08:50] <tbtroja> lolopop: I don't know what you're asking.  If you're asking about partitions, then you do that on the CD when you install.
[08:50] <ManiDhillon> darksoul_ Today i was  victim of password theft but it was my mistake!
[08:50] <erichj> lolopop: remember everything runs from ram with live cd, so you can alter the disk with no problems
[08:50] <lolopop> tbtroja: but the install I don't think recognizes logical volumes
[08:50] <tbtroja> lolopop: yes it does.
[08:51] <lolopop> oh it does? hot!
[08:51] <darksoul_> ManiDhillon O_o!! how come?
[08:51] <erichj> heh
[08:52] <erichj> because i can be a di**
[08:52] <ManiDhillon> darksoul_  Did you ever installed KDE from Adapet Manager?
[08:53] <lolopop> "no root fylesystem is defined"
[08:53] <ManiDhillon> Did anyone ever installed KDE from Adapet Manager?
[08:53] <erichj> lolopop: you should define it
[08:53] <tbtroja> lolopop: make sure to mount one of the partitions to '/'
[08:54] <erichj>  / ext3 fs
[08:54] <darksoul_> ManiDhillon yes
[08:54] <xcib> please anybody can show me the spanish kubuntu channel
[08:54] <erichj> !es
[08:54] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[08:54] <tbtroja> lolopop: I do have one question though, why aren't you just installing Kubuntu via the Kubuntu LiveCD?
[08:54] <xcib> erichj: thank you very much
[08:54] <erichj> xcib: welcome
[08:54] <ManiDhillon> darksoul_  How big is the file? I mean size in MB if you remember?
[08:55] <lolopop> 'cause it says it doesn't do LVM
[08:55] <erichj> isn't LVM large volume?
[08:55] <erichj> not logical volume
[08:55] <xcib> erichj:  i could ask here but...my enlgish is poor
[08:55] <darksoul_> ManiDhillon really don't remember
[08:56] <tbtroja> xcib: if you don't find help in Spanish channels, feel free to ask here, we'll help as best as we can :] 
[08:57] <ManiDhillon> darksoul_  Don't worry then, i want to install it but you know i don't have broadband. I'm using net through Mobile GPRS.
[08:57] <erichj> ManiDhillon: it's around 170mb i think for the kubuntu-desktop
[08:57] <xcib> tbtroja:  thanks ^^
[08:58] <ManiDhillon> erichj 170 MB! Oh my god thats impossible for me to download!
[08:59] <tbtroja> .....
[09:00] <erichj> i downloaded feisty the day it came out using my palm treo 700wx as a modem while i was in St. Louis but i was connected to sprint power vision so i was getting about 133KB/s
[09:00] <lolopop> I am stuck
[09:00] <lolopop> says I don't have root partition and I do in LVM
[09:00] <lolopop> it doesn't allow me to proceed
[09:01] <lolopop> I need moral support
[09:01] <tbtroja> lolopop: installation is so much easier in the Kubuntu LiveCD, I'm sure it will explain things to you a lot easier than they do currently.
[09:01] <xcib> tbtroja:  well in the spanish channel couldnt solve my problem, and here we go
[09:01] <lolopop> ok let me see
[09:01] <xcib> tbtroja:  this is my problem
[09:01] <xcib> tbtroja:  The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[09:02] <ManiDhillon> erichj 133 KB/s is much better, i'm only getting 5 KB/s lol! And for it i pay 20 bucks a day!
[09:02] <erichj> ManiDhillon: i don't pay for broadband. i live across the street from my company embarq, so i just ride on their wireless from my house. 30Mb/s
[09:02] <tbtroja> xcib: I assume you tried running both of those commands?
[09:02] <xcib> tbtroja:  yes
[09:03] <tbtroja> xcib: have you looked at your /etc/apt/sources.list to make sure that everything is correct?
[09:03] <erichj> working for the phone company has it's perks
[09:03] <xcib> tbtroja:  im going to check,
[09:03] <ManiDhillon> erichj Youare lucky enough. In my village only i'm using internet and thats via my Nokia 6230i cell phone.
[09:04] <tbtroja> erichj: that must kill you paying for gas on that comute.
[09:04] <tbtroja> :|
[09:04] <erichj> tbtroja: yeah it's horrible.
[09:04] <xcib> tbtroja:  what i have to do in this folder
[09:05] <tbtroja> xcib: do you know anything about the sources.list file, how it should look, etc.?
[09:05] <xcib> tbtroja:  no i dont
[09:05] <xcib> tbtroja:  is the first time i use linux...lol
[09:05] <tbtroja> xcib: okay, not a problem.
[09:06] <tbtroja> xcib: I want you to go here:  http://pastebin.ca/upload.php   --  and upload the /etc/apt/sources.list file and paste the link in here.
[09:08] <ManiDhillon> Where can i find some extensions for K3B to enhance its functionality?
[09:08] <xcib> tbtroja:  i hope i did well...http://pastebin.ca/569484
[09:08] <premier_> ManiDhillon: theres usually a lot of stuff at kde-apps.org and kde-look.org
[09:08] <premier_> ManiDhillon: that site is a little addictive
[09:09] <premier_> does kubuntu have compiz/beryl by default with a stock feisty install... with fglrx?
[09:09] <ManiDhillon> premier_ i'll chechk it bro!
[09:09] <tbtroja> xcib: when do you get that error that you posted earlier?  What command are you trying to run?
[09:10] <ManiDhillon> Kubuntu should have a good offline installation method for programs.
[09:10] <premier_> ManiDhillon: offline?
[09:11] <premier_> ManiDhillon: how long have you been using linux?
[09:11] <ManiDhillon> I mean like we install in windows from CDs etc.
[09:11] <xcib> tbtroja:  the two command that shows in the error and >sudo apt-get clean, and sudo apt-get autoclean
[09:11] <ManiDhillon> premier_ You can say from 4 months! I tried many distros but liked only Kubuntu.
[09:13] <premier_> ManiDhillon: are you familiar with apt-get and its gui frontends like adept and synaptic?
[09:13] <tbtroja> xcib: try running the following: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get autoremove
[09:13] <premier_> ManiDhillon: in the open source world, you download everything you need for free online... and apt-get is able to intellegently install what you tell it to with no fuss
[09:13] <premier_> ManiDhillon: its genius
[09:13] <tbtroja> xcib: I know it's long, but try pasting that into a terminal and executing it and see what happens.
[09:13] <premier_> linux's best feature, no joke
[09:13] <tbtroja> premier_: I second that, heh.
[09:13] <premier_> ManiDhillon: basically, go to a command line and type "sudo apt-get install inkscape" and it will find and install inkscape, and then it will appear in your kde menu... no fuss!
[09:14] <ManiDhillon> premier_ Yeah i know i know, I've installed almost everything i need. But it need a internet connection and that is the thing that people are away from Linux.
[09:15] <premier_> lol: /dev/sdb1            size: 274G used: 260G  575M 100% /media/Compy2
[09:15] <premier_> 260 is not 100% of 274
[09:15] <tbtroja> ManiDhillon: you can download and burn packages to a CD to install later... But no, CDs aren't normally distributed with Linux software on them, unless you order the CDs, like Firefox, etc.
[09:15] <Jucato> premier_, ManiDhillon: actually apt is very flexible. you can download/install from a different source other than an online repository.
[09:16] <llutz> premier_: it is 100% of 274 - "for-root-reserved-space"
[09:16] <xcib> tbtroja:  well no results...
[09:16] <tbtroja> xcib: same error?
[09:16] <xcib> tbtroja:  im going to translate the error in to english give me a sec
[09:16] <tbtroja> xcib: okay.
[09:17] <tbtroja> xcib: I'll be back in a little bit, I have to go for a minue, but feel free to message me the translated error so I see it.
[09:17] <premier_> llutz: is that 274 actually being used?  cause I kinda need it...
[09:17] <xcib> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Error!>Reading  package list...Error!
[09:18] <ManiDhillon> tbtroja I've now installed every thing, how i can burn them to a cd or dvd? I mean if i had o install kubuntu on some other system with same things tgat i have?
[09:18] <premier_> take a look at this: http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=howmd9.png
[09:18] <xcib> tbtroja: Leyendo lista de paquetes... Error!>Reading  package list...Error!
[09:18] <flake> could i were to add an ide harddrive to my system, would i format it as ext3
[09:18] <flake> could = if, major typo there
[09:18] <premier_> did I mispell something?  notice that I could not killall knetworkmanager, but it appears plain as day in task manager
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[09:19] <steve_> i have a question about installing a package
[09:20] <usamahashimi> hello everyone!
[09:20] <ManiDhillon> Anyone using KMobile Tool? If yes then tell me how to connect my Nokia 6230i thru it?
[09:20] <llutz> premier_: "sudo killall knetworkmanager" you can set the amount of reserved space with tune2fs -m  on ext2/3.
[09:20] <usamahashimi> how can i change the shortcut key for ksnapshot?
[09:21] <Jucato> usamahashimi: System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Input Actions
[09:21] <lolopop> how ironic, Gentoo is supposed to be more comlex yet LVM installation is a breez, Ubuntu is supposed to be average-joe friendly yet LVM is extremely hard to set up o.O
[09:22] <steve_> huh?
[09:22] <llutz> lolopop: i think LVM is not what average *ubuntu-joe uses ;)
[09:22] <Jucato> steve_: just ask your question
[09:22] <flake> ask away steve_, you don't have to say you have a question just ask
[09:23] <steve_> im trying to install pidgin, and im not entirely sure whats going wrong with it
[09:23] <usamahashimi> Jucato: thanks, lemme check
[09:23] <steve_> its complaining about dependencies i think
[09:23] <Jucato> usamahashimi: my bad. it's in System Settings -> Accessibility -> Input Actions
[09:23] <Jucato> there's a ksnapshot entry there
[09:24] <lolopop> llutz: if I am able to set this up, for real I deserve a PHD for being able to solve it
[09:24] <usamahashimi> Jucato: :)
[09:26] <lolopop> who said the intsaller detects LVM?
[09:26] <steve_> does the fact that im running AMD64 matter?
[09:26] <lolopop> hey I've got an idea if I mount them in /mount will the installer recognize them?
[09:27] <lolopop> does the installer recognize mounted stuff?
[09:27] <usamahashimi> Jucato: thanks a lot
[09:27] <flake> running 64-bit os?
[09:27] <Jucato> usamahashimi: no problem
[09:28] <lolopop> oh got it!!!
[09:28] <lolopop> modprobe, vgchange -a y and voila!!
[09:28] <steve_> yeah
[09:29] <steve_> let me see just how many times the error comes up
[09:29] <lolopop> WTF!!! no lvm package?
[09:30] <steve_> got about 9 errors, various libs as well as "pidgin-data"
[09:30] <steve_> if i install the listed packages here, will Pidgin work?
[09:30] <flake> can you try to do sudo apt-get install  'missing library'  ?
[09:31] <steve_> thats the syntax for it?  (sorry, not used to this command line at all)
[09:31] <flake> don't want to tell you wrong, but when I installed a make environment, I was missing alot of libs and had to install them, but i'm on 32-bit os
[09:31] <steve_> and -? doesnt always show me anything
[09:32] <waylandbill> steve_: you can do a 'man apt-get' for more info.
[09:32] <llutz> steve_: sudo apt-get -f install
[09:32] <flake> sudo apt-get install nameofmissinglib
[09:33] <flake> why the -f
[09:33] <llutz> steve_: sudo apt-get -f install   repairs broken dpendencies
[09:33] <llutz> flake: ^^
[09:33] <flake> aahh, i just did a man of that, sorry
[09:34] <llutz> flake: it's easier than typing all missing packages by hand ;)
[09:34] <waylandbill> if he tried to install pidgin, it should've wanted to grab the dependencies. It may be that something is not available. steve_, what's the error say? not available?
[09:38] <steve_> well, ill use one of them
[09:38] <lolopop> oh my god
[09:38] <steve_> unless ctrl-c and ctrl-insert dont copy from terminal...guess ill type it out
[09:38] <steve_> pidgin depends on pidgin-data (>= 2.0.1); however:
[09:38] <steve_> Package pidgin-data is not installed
[09:38] <xcib> tbtroja:  im going in 5 minutes ill be waiting for you
[09:38] <flake> steve_ you can hit the tab key and it's like an autocomplete
[09:38] <waylandbill> I don't find a package pidgin.
[09:38] <steve_> me either
[09:38] <steve_> says invalid operation
[09:38] <waylandbill> !info pidgin
[09:38] <ubotu> Package pidgin does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:38] <tbtroja> xcib, I'm sorry but I really don't know how to help..  Possibly try searching Google with your EXACT error message (the Spanish one is fine) and look to see if anyone else has encountered this and how they fixed it.
[09:38] <flake> they have a website with instructions on how to install it
[09:38] <tbtroja> steve_: if you want to copy from terminal select and middle-click to paste.
[09:38] <lolopop> how can this be
[09:38] <steve_> oh
[09:38] <steve_> and the website?
[09:38] <waylandbill> steve_: why not just install gaim?
[09:39] <steve_> well, it is gaim as i understand it
[09:39] <steve_> just not called gaim anymore
[09:39] <waylandbill> right, but gaim is in the repos.
[09:39] <steve_> *whoosh*
[09:39] <steve_> that was the sound of that going over my head
[09:40] <steve_> sorry, keep it dumb for me please
[09:40] <flake> sudo apt-get install gaim
[09:40] <waylandbill> it's in the universe repository.
[09:40] <steve_> oh
[09:40] <flake> or run synaptic from the menu
[09:41] <steve_> yeah, ive managed to configure that already
[09:41] <steve_> i saw repos and thought, repossess, what?
[09:41] <steve_> ok, i follow now
[09:42] <steve_> question; if i can do that stuff, can i just install the missing dependencies listed in the console?
[09:43] <flake> what are you missing
[09:43] <waylandbill> lolopop: there's an lvm package. lvm2.
[09:44] <waylandbill> steve_: if you have the dependencies available. I don't know how you have pidgin even available, since it's not in the official repos.
[09:44] <steve_> libavahi-compat-howl0, libc6 ver 2.5.5, libgtkspell0, libnss3-0d, libpango1.0-0, libperl5.8, etc
[09:44] <steve_> let me get the URL i got it off of
[09:45] <flake> the source code?
[09:45] <steve_> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/pidgin
[09:45] <steve_> nope, its a .deb package
[09:45] <waylandbill> but that's for debian.
[09:45] <steve_> ok, that would matter
[09:45] <sxcib> tbtroja:  im here again
[09:46] <waylandbill> of course that would matter. :-D
[09:46] <llutz> steve_: that's debian-sid, better use gaim or try to get a package from getdeb
[09:46] <tbtroja> sxcib, I'm sorry but I really don't know how to help..  Possibly try searching Google with your EXACT error message (the Spanish one is fine) and look to see if anyone else has encountered this and how they fixed it.
[09:46] <lolopop> a CD with 700MB without the simple LVM?
[09:46] <lolopop> so there's absolutely no work around this time
[09:46] <lolopop> can I install a package in the LiveCD?
[09:46] <lolopop> that would help
[09:47] <llutz> lolopop: iirc the alternate-cd supports lvm
[09:47] <akrus`Away> hello
[09:47] <akrus`Away> does someone know how to kill user currently connected to ssh?
[09:47] <akrus`Away> which's using not root
[09:47] <akrus`Away> and i'm root
[09:47] <sxcib> tbtroja:  i know whats the problem
[09:48] <waylandbill> steve_: if it is really that important to have pidgin, build it from the website's downloadable source code. Otherwise, just install gaim.
[09:48] <sxcib> tbtroja:  when i boot the kubuntu there is a message to install apt but i don know what command i have to write
[09:48] <llutz> steve_: http://www.getdeb.net/search.php?keywords=pidgin
[09:48] <lolopop> please I am at loss, what can I do to get LVM up and running?
[09:48] <lolopop> that's all I am axing!!
[09:48] <lolopop> it tells me that I don't have ROOT and I do have the damn root in LVM
[09:48] <llutz> akrus`Away: kill its login-shell
[09:49] <akrus`Away> how? :)
[09:49] <steve_> all right, thanks anyway
[09:49] <steve_> ill figure out how exactly thats supposed to work
[09:49] <llutz> akrus`Away: find the pid with "who" and "ps", then "kill <pid>"
[09:49] <lolopop> and this is in the LVM partition
[09:49] <lolopop> I mean the LVM installation
[09:49] <satempler> has any one noticed that w32codecs are not needed any more
[09:50] <akrus`Away> found
[09:50] <akrus`Away> thanx
[09:50] <satempler> well for wmv wma playback
[09:50] <lolopop> waylandbill: can I install in the live CD?
[09:51] <lolopop> I am at the initial installation step
[09:51] <lolopop> is it possible to install in the LiveCD?
[09:51] <lolopop> omg that doesn't work properly either
[09:51] <lolopop> that has a dumbed down version of lvm
[09:51] <sxcib> tbtroja:  when i boot the kubuntu there is a message to install apt but i don know what command i have to write
[09:51] <tbtroja> sxcib: what's the message?
[09:51] <starsky51> can anyone tell me the command in konversation to autocomplete a nickname?
[09:51] <lolopop> it doesn't recognize root in lvm
[09:51] <satempler> libxine1-plugins and libxine-extracodecs will do the job without w32codecs
[09:51] <tbtroja> starsky51: start typing the name and hit tab.
[09:51] <sxcib> tbtroja:  i dont know exactly but saids that i have to install apt because is not installed
[09:52] <tbtroja> sxcib: Odd :\
[09:52] <starsky51> oh yeah! thanks
[09:53] <waylandbill> lolopop: you won't have root, but you have sudo available.
[09:54] <sxcib> tbtroja:  see ya
[09:54] <tbtroja> sxcib: bye, I hope you get it fixed :\
[09:54] <lolopop> no I am saying that Alternate install won't got further after I set my Logical Volumes telling me that I have to se / i.e. root
[09:55] <lolopop> when I clearly created in a logical volume
[09:56] <kraut> moin
[09:56] <tbtroja> What the -- why do I have TWO scrollbars in Konqueror when I go to http://tbtroja.wordpress.com ?
[09:56] <lolopop> logical volumes are in extended mode?
[09:56] <lolopop> or can I have it as primary normal partition?
[09:56] <evsophomore2009> k guys, i just downloaded the new version of Kubutnu, whats the difference between my old (edgy 6.10) and (Feisty Fawn 7.04)
[09:57] <evsophomore2009> i honestly dont see a difference other than the font...and clock
[09:59] <tbtroja> Must have been the theme..
[09:59] <darksoul_> i used wine to install real player now how do i remove it?
[09:59] <Jucato> evsophomore2009: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.04-release.php
[10:00] <waylandbill> evsophomore2009: never versions of the packages. Look at kubuntu's page on distrowatch. It lists some packages such as kdebase being 3.5.6 as opposed to 3.5.4.
[10:00] <Jucato> evsophomore2009: you might want to also take a look on some of the alpha/beta pages for Feisty Fawn in http://kubuntu.org
[10:00] <Jucato> other changes are in those pages
[10:02] <waylandbill> hi Jucato
[10:02] <Jucato> hi waylandbill
[10:03] <Jucato> hm.. headaches... how nice
[10:04] <starsky51> darksoul_: check the Lost and Found menu for an Uninstaller
[10:05] <starsky51> otherwise go to ~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/  go into the realplayer folder and execute the uninstall exe from there
[10:06] <dusubu> hi all.. can any one assist me in installing ubuntu plz
[10:07] <dusubu> anybody there?
[10:07] <tbtroja> dusubu: Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[10:07] <starsky51> what problems are you having dusubu
[10:07] <starsky51> ?
[10:08] <dusubu> ubuntu
[10:08] <rathel> Hello, I switched from XP to Kubuntu today, and Firefox seems really slow especially on sites like myspace and others. How can I speed things up? thanks
[10:08] <tbtroja> dusubu: you want #ubuntu instead of #kubuntu then
[10:08] <tbtroja> rathel: try the FasterFox extension for Firefox.
[10:09] <dusubu> i got a live cd of latest ubuntu.. everything is working perfect. except the video and the audio part and my network tho it shows connected its not downloading
[10:09] <dusubu> ok thanks.. i will try in #ubuntu channel
[10:09] <rathel> tbtroja: Yeah I have that installed, it helped a little but it's still really slow.
[10:10] <tbtroja> rathel: maybe try the KDE browser, Konqueror.
[10:12] <rathel> tbtroja: Maybe I'll start using it on the slower sites, I still perfer firefox though.
[10:12] <tbtroja> rathel: yeah, it's too bad there isn't a FirefoKs or anything, heh.
[10:13] <rathel> tbtroja: FirefoKs?
[10:13] <tbtroja> rathel: I was just saying a KDE/Qt implementation of Firefox.
[10:13] <rathel> tbtroja: Ah Gotcha.
[10:13] <tbtroja> (I wish they had one)
[10:14] <binks> !vdr
[10:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vdr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:14] <premier_> is qtparted still inferior to gparted?
[10:15] <premier_> the kubuntu liveCD seems to come with qtparted
[10:15] <gravitone> hi
[10:18] <fdoving> premier_: yes, it still is.
[10:18] <binks> !mythtv
[10:18] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[10:18] <darksoul_> realplay-10.0.8.805-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin i downloaded this how do i install it?
[10:19] <premier_> fdoving: why does feisty kubuntu ship with it?  Why not gparted?  and also, whats the real difference?  is gparted more reliable?
[10:20] <erichj> gparted is a gtk app
[10:20] <fdoving> premier_: shipping gparted makes a whole bunch of new depends, so it's not possible without leaving out alot of other stuff. the real difference is that gparted is actively developed and gets new features etc.
[10:20] <starsky51> darksoul_: right click the file and go into the properties. click the permissions tab and tick 'is executable'
[10:20] <starsky51> then you can double click to execute
[10:22] <premier_> fdoving: should I be able to install (apt-get) ubuntu desktop after the fact?  In feisty, that didn't work... gnome all but crashed on boot
[10:22] <starsky51> darksoul_: realplayer 10.0.8 is in the repos anyway. you can install it via the 'Add/Remove Programs' link
[10:22] <erichj> premier_: yes
[10:22] <waylandbill> doesn't matter that it's not in kubuntu. the gparted liveCD is only 50mb.
[10:23] <premier_> waylandbill: its more that I just have to down boot and ladeda...
[10:23] <darksoul_> starsky51 i cannot find it through the add/remove
[10:24] <sivaji> hi
[10:24] <erichj> you mind need to enable the universe rep
[10:24] <waylandbill> premier_: qtparted will do then.
[10:24] <erichj> !realplayer
[10:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:24] <sivaji> !info realplayer
[10:24] <ubotu> Package realplayer does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:25] <darksoul_> erichj how to i enable universe rep
[10:25] <darksoul_> ?
[10:25] <waylandbill> !universe
[10:25] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:25] <erichj> waylandbill: thanks
[10:26] <premier_> on gparted, how do I specify names for the new hard drives?
[10:26] <starsky51> oh sorry.. i didn't realise
[10:26] <premier_> is that possible?
[10:26] <premier_> partitions, I mean
[10:27] <starsky51> darksoul_: sorry, i was wrong it isn't in the repos
[10:27] <waylandbill> premier_: you mean like hda1 and such?
[10:28] <premier_> waylandbill: no, like I named my external hard drive "Compy2"... I want to give my internal hard drive partitions names so I can easily identify them
[10:30] <waylandbill> premier_: oh, like a volume name. I don't think so, but I've never really tried. I identify what the partition is by where I mount it.
[10:31] <premier_> waylandbill: I know I can do that after the fact
[10:32] <waylandbill> premier_: if you have a plan of what your partitions are going to hold, it shouldn't be too hard to remember which is which. Use a pencil and paper if needed. ;-)
[10:33] <starsky51> darksoul_: so back to the bin file. set the 'is executable' flag, open up a konsole window, drag the bin file into the konsole window, press enter and follow the instructions
[10:36] <Alarm> hello, is there a player so that i can broadcast music to a server so that it can forward the broadcasting to users ?
[10:36] <Alarm> what i am interest actually is how to broadcast songs that are played on my local computer to a server
[10:37] <sivaji> !samba | Alarm
[10:37] <ubotu> Alarm: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[10:37] <Alarm> samba ?
[10:37] <Alarm> what has samba to do with ?
[10:40] <starsky51> Alarm: i've not used it but you might want to look up icecast
[10:40] <starsky51> it's in the repos
[10:41] <Alarm> icecast and vlc is what i want
[10:41] <Alarm> thanks
[10:43] <sivaji> is there any dictionary package ?
[10:45] <sivaji> !dictionary
[10:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dictionary - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:46] <jujimufu> does anybody else have problems with beryl?
[10:46] <jujimufu> I upgraded yesterday to the latest version, but it seems to be problematic
[10:46] <sivaji> jujimufu #beryl
[10:46] <jujimufu> sivaji: thanks
[10:49] <starsky51> sivaji: the dictionary can be found in the utilities menu. I think the package is called kdict
[10:52] <jujimufu> I accidentally upgraded to beryl 0.3 from 3v1's repos. I've removed (commented) these repos at sources.list now, but I want to know how to return to the previous version of beryl. sudo apt-get upgrade won't do it (it won't find any new beryl packages, and it's logical as 0.3 is later than the version in the repos, probably)
[11:01] <sj24> hey my headphone doesnt mute the speakers.......can someone pls help?
[11:01] <sj24> i dont even hav the switch tab in kmix
[11:08] <darksoul_> if i have false update packages that create errors at installing how do i remove them?
[11:08] <Contrast> Greets, everyone...
[11:09] <Contrast> Are there any KXMame users in here?
[11:09] <Contrast> darksoul_: Do you use Adept or Synaptic?
[11:09] <binks> does anyone use vdr or a dvb- card if so how do i get it working
[11:10] <darksoul_> Contrast Adept
[11:10] <Contrast> darksoul_: Not sure then. I know in Synaptic you can lock packages to a certain version.
[11:11] <Contrast> darksoul_: You might try googling around for a guide to Apt-pinning
[11:11] <Contrast> I haven't taken the time to figure it out yet. :-\
[11:12] <Contrast> But basically, I think you just set up a preferences file in /etc/apt that tells Apt to keep locked to a certain version based on the repository they're from.
[11:13] <Contrast> darksoul_: Here you go - http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
[11:13] <darksoul_> Cantrast the thing is i tried to install through adept the java updates but they failed on installing
[11:13] <darksoul_> so every time i try to install something it fails
[11:15] <waylandbill> aptitude is a good way to keep packages held. it's gui has a learning curve, but a good app none the less.
[11:16] <Jucato> darksoul_: what version of Kubuntu are you running?
[11:16] <darksoul_> 7.04 feisty
[11:16] <Jucato> and have you tried updating using apt-get or aptitude in the command line?
[11:24] <darksoul_> Jucato from command line it works
[11:25] <darksoul_> no i did not try aptitude
[11:27] <darksoul_> how do i move one thing from desktop to /home/darksoul/ ?
[11:28] <ReMiiRuru> What is the best application for DVD burning?
[11:28] <darksoul_> nero
[11:28] <ReMiiRuru> For ubuntu
[11:28] <mo0osah> how do you install all the dependencies automatically?
[11:28] <darksoul_> Nero
[11:29] <ReMiiRuru> Is it in repos?
[11:29] <Jucato> er..
[11:29] <Jucato> !info k3b
[11:29] <Contrast> K3b. Nero's garbage on Linux. ;-)
[11:29] <ubotu> k3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 4912 kB, installed size 9404 kB
[11:29] <Jucato> ReMiiRuru: use k3b
[11:29] <magi> hi, does anyone know how to convert APE to FLAC for my MP3 player?
[11:29] <ReMiiRuru> Thanks :)
[11:29] <magi> thanks a lot!
[11:30] <Jucato> darksoul_: the desktop is actually a folder in /home/darksoul/Desktop
[11:30] <Contrast> Np
[11:31] <blekos> hi is there a way to find the biggest folder in size in my partition?
[11:32] <darksoul_> Jucato yes but i do not want it on my desktop
[11:32] <darksoul_> i want it in /home/darksoul
[11:33] <Jucato> darksoul_: er... so move it... in Konqueror... go to /home/darksoul/Desktop/ and move the items to /home/darksoul/
[11:33] <Jucato> or... you can just drag the item on the desktop to konqueror
[11:34] <darksoul_> access denied or something
[11:35] <Contrast> darksoul_: Open Konsole, then run "sudo chown yourname:yourname ~/Desktop/filename"
[11:35] <darksoul_> brb reboot
[11:35] <Contrast> ?
[11:36] <lolopop> arghh!!! LVM!!111
[11:36] <waylandbill> blekos: use konqueror's file size view.
[11:37] <Boje> g'morgen
[11:40] <magi> any reply?
[11:40] <blekos> ok thnx
[11:42] <darksoul_> damn i got a problem on my keyboard
[11:42] <darksoul_> :S
[11:42] <darksoul_> i rebooted and the greek language on keyboard and on msn is not supported ? :S
[11:42] <darksoul_> on aMSN
[11:46] <darksoul_> how can i remove a directory from terminal?
[11:47] <waylandbill> darksoul_: rmdir
[11:47] <waylandbill> if directory is empty. rm -r will remove dir and files.
[11:53] <cntb> anyone using windows printing thru cups on ubuntu ? on daily basis ? or familiar with issue
[11:54] <cntb> I have still an hpLJ 5 shared on cups for windows stations to print but have problems connecting to kubuntu cups printer
[11:55] <cntb> IOW the windows connecting to that cups printer -part is missing, windows were re-installed
[11:55] <cntb> !cups
[11:55] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[11:55] <darksoul_> i got a language error on aMSN anyone can help?
[11:56] <cntb> ti kaneis darksoul_
[11:56] <cntb> me too having problems with aMSN in hebrew
[11:57] <darksoul_> cntp ekana apla restart kai twra ta blepw kinezika
[11:57] <darksoul_> debian.gr
[11:57] <darksoul_> sry
[11:57] <cntb> oraia
[11:57] <cntb> freenode.net/debian.gr  darksoul_ ?
[12:01] <DemonSamurai> anyone can help me about aMSN?
[12:02] <StErGi0s> DemonSamurai: whats your problem?
[12:03] <DemonSamurai> StErGi0s i restarted my pc and instead of Greek language i get something like chineese
[12:03] <DemonSamurai> and the funny thing that i get that only on aMSN
[12:03] <StErGi0s> you are greek?
[12:03] <DemonSamurai> yep
[12:03] <StErGi0s> me too :P
[12:04] <StErGi0s> have you got installed greek lang?
[12:05] <DemonSamurai> ela sto #eleos
[12:05] <DemonSamurai> yep
[12:06] <DemonSamurai> StErGi0s yes i got it installed
[12:09] <ManiDhillon> hi all
[12:09] <starsky51> morning
[12:09] <ManiDhillon> !kmail
[12:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmail - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:10] <ManiDhillon> Morning to all.
[12:10] <ie>  hi.. anyone point me to simple instrcutions ow 2 install kde 4
[12:11] <ManiDhillon> ie sudo apt-get install KDE
[12:11] <ie> thanks but trying to install kde 4?!
[12:12] <ie> version 4  just to see what its like
[12:12] <icecruncher> I
[12:12] <icecruncher> 'd like o know how to get gutsy
[12:12] <icecruncher> lol
[12:12] <jonne> I think you would do something like "sudo apt-get install kde4*"
[12:13] <icecruncher> ie: http://www.babygeek.org/installing-kde4-ubuntu-kubuntu
[12:14] <ie> icecruncher... im following instrcutions on kubuntu website but not sure what to do when it says These KDE 4 packages install to /usr/lib/kde4 so run:
[12:14] <ie> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/lib
[12:14] <ie> export KDEDIR=/usr/lib/kde4
[12:14] <ie> export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:$PATH
[12:14] <ie> export KDEHOME=~/.kde4
[12:14] <icecruncher> no idea
[12:16] <icecruncher> ie: cn you give me the link pls
[12:17] <gnomefreak> kubuntu.org
[12:17] <ie> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?action=search
[12:17] <icecruncher> tnks
[12:17] <ie> sorry this one ... http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha1.php
[12:17] <icecruncher> ahh
[12:19] <ManiDhillon> KDE 4 is in ALPHA release and is not stable. The stable KDE version is 3.5.7
[12:20] <ie> msnidhillon. yep i realise that thks  but am interested in evaluating kde 4
[12:30] <starsky51> are there any live cds with the kde 4 alpha?
[12:43] <sebr> i'm looking for packages of older software, like java 1.4 and tomcat 4
[12:43] <sebr> anybody know where i can find them?
[12:44] <llp78> has anyone got a work around for the intermitent "unable to shutdown" problem?. i click logout then shutdown, this runs the kubuntu splash screen - shuts down monitor but leaves pc still running?
[12:45] <llp78> is this a kde bug or kubuntu?
[12:48] <_4strO> yop yop
[12:49] <sebr> llp78: i'm having a similar problem
[12:49] <sebr> would love to know why
[12:49] <_4strO> llp78: never seen that before
[12:49] <_4strO> sebr llp78 : using XGL ?
[12:49] <sebr> nope
[12:49] <llp78> XGL?
[12:51] <_4strO> llp78: and if you wait enough time, the PC finally shutdown ?
[12:52] <llp78> _4strO: no hangs all day
[12:53] <llp78> _4strO: just gonna try adding acpi=force to the kernel in menu.lst
[12:53] <alex_biran> hello
[12:54] <llp78> _4strO: lets see if this has fixxed it - brb
[12:54] <_4strO> ok
[12:57] <llp78> the acpi=force appended to the kernel in menu.lst fixes the shutdown problem - i can confirm
[12:58] <fonsy> hello
[12:58] <fonsy> where is rom ubuntu franch?
[12:58] <heroin> how can i set KDE to a kiosk like mode? all i want is for users to browse a list of movies and play them using VLC
[12:59] <fonsy> ubuntu franch?
[12:59] <fonsy> where
[01:01] <fonsy>  /msg nickserv set fonsyy
[01:02] <fonsy>  /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[01:02] <fonsy>  /msg nickserv set unfiltered on ok
[01:02] <fonsy> oh oh
[01:03] <starsky51> heroin: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/kiosk/index.html this describes a set of kiosk mode in kde (called kiosktool in the repos) and VLC has an option in preferences to always play videos in fullscreen mode
[01:03] <fonsy> where is ubuntu.fr?
[01:03] <pag> !fr | fonsy
[01:03] <ubotu> fonsy: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:04] <fonsy> than you
[01:04] <fonsy> merci meme
[01:05] <heroin> starsky51: nice nice :) yah i want the downstairs LCD tv to be able to play all my media files
[01:05] <heroin> starsky51: however knowing my family less options = more change of them being able to use it
[01:05] <heroin> starsky51: so i probally want to chroot a user to the dir with my media and disable ALL possible options exept play
[01:05] <starsky51> hehe.. i think i know that family!!
[01:06] <heroin> starsky51: no delete, no move, no rename nothing exept play
[01:06] <Tokra> Hi guys
[01:06] <starsky51> heroin: i see.. i don't think the kiosktool can do that but you seem to know what you're doing
[01:07] <Tokra> I'm trying for almost three days to install my new Nvidia 8600GT card but so far without success
[01:08] <Tokra> could someone of you please help or at least give me some hint how to proceed
[01:09] <heroin> starsky51: urm.. u think just a group policy will be enough to handle things?
[01:11] <SillyZ> gmorning
[01:12] <SillyZ> anyone know the option to open a program maximized instead of being a smaller window on the desktop, then having to maximize it ?
[01:12] <starsky51> heroin: makes sense. set up a new user and give it read access to one of the folders on your own home account
[01:13] <Jucato> SillyZ: right-click on the window title bar, Advanced -> Special Window Settings
[01:14] <SillyZ> thanks ill give that a try
[01:14] <SillyZ> ahhh works like a champ , thanks Jucato
[01:17] <Tokra> I'm trying for almost three days to install my new Nvidia 8600GT card but so far without success
[01:17] <Tokra> could someone of you please help or at least give me some hint how to proceed
[01:17] <SillyZ> apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[01:18] <Tokra> I've already tried to install serval different driver with differen error messages at the end
[01:18] <SillyZ> then once installed do a
[01:18] <SillyZ> nvidia-xconfig
[01:18] <Jucato> Tokra: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new linux-restricted-modules-generic
[01:18] <Jucato> Tokra: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[01:18] <SillyZ> itll generaate a generic X config based on your Nvidia card
[01:18] <SillyZ> same thing, just depends on what user you are at the time
[01:19] <SillyZ> I belive nvidia-glx-new, has a dep on linux-restricted-mods-generic and will pull it at the same time
[01:19] <SillyZ> if not already installed but ill look
[01:20] <Tokra> Thanks I'll try that right now
[01:20] <Jucato> SillyZ: better safe than sorry. if it already depends on it, then there's no harm explicitly installing it :)
[01:21] <Tokra> Ok done, I'll restart my Xserver and we'll see
[01:21] <SillyZ> nvidia-xconfig makes a backup automatically and saves it in /etc/X11/
[01:22] <Tokra> Jucato: of course I do :o)) I already had enugh bad experience
[01:22] <Jucato> hehe :)
[01:22] <Tokra> cu soon
[01:22] <SillyZ> Ive got a GEForce-Go 7800 here, was all i had to do to my system, and WoW (World of Warcraft) runs killer
[01:22] <SillyZ> fps at 104, with like 90ms latency
[01:24] <sivaji> hi
[01:26] <stan> hey guys, does anyone use the online dictionary in kubuntu?
[01:27] <stan> is there any way to use more than just english dictionary?
[01:27] <Tokra> Hi guys, it didn't work
[01:27] <stan> i mean like translate from german to english or something
[01:27] <stan> ??
[01:27] <stan> anyone?
[01:28] <SillyZ> ok next step then, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:28] <SillyZ> select the driver 'nvidia'
[01:28] <sivaji> stan  stardict-english-czech
[01:28] <SillyZ> Stan i can try, but itll be done thru like google or something
[01:29] <Tokra> SillyZ: can I try this without shuting down my Xserver
[01:29] <SillyZ> yes
[01:29] <SillyZ> open a terminal, and run it, then restart your xserver
[01:29] <sivaji> stan  "apt-cache search dictionary | grep -i dictionary" run this  u will get list of packages
[01:30] <SillyZ> you may have to go and do a nvidia-glx-enable once your done
[01:30] <stan> sivaji: is there any way to add more later?
[01:30] <sivaji> stan add what
[01:31] <stan> sivaji: additional dictionaries
[01:31] <stan> because it only uses english-english
[01:31] <stan> I also need like russian english, or german-english
[01:31] <sivaji> stan i dont know
[01:31] <stan> :)
[01:31] <stan> ok
[01:31] <Tokra> SillyZ: I've to restart the Xserver
[01:31] <stan> thnx anyway ;)
[01:31] <Tokra> be back in a min
[01:32] <sivaji> stan it is there u didnt run that command
[01:32] <stan> sivaji, whoa... it gave me the whole list of something :D
[01:33] <stan> sivaji: so how do I use it? :/
[01:34] <sivaji> stan  install which ever u need and use
[01:35] <Tokra> SillyZ: it didn't work - Error message is that my driver version 10.14.09 is different then the kernel version
[01:35] <stan> sivaji: I would love to but I dont know how to... Im a newbie...
[01:35] <sivaji> stan i too
[01:35] <stan> sivaji: maybe some simple instructions? if its not too much troube... plz...
[01:35] <stan> :D
[01:35] <stan> aha
[01:35] <Tokra> SillyZ: do I have to uninstall the Nvidia driver ver 100.14.09
[01:36] <stan> so does anyone else know how to install those?
[01:36] <sivaji> stan ask #ubuntu
[01:36] <SillyZ> sorry was lookin for a cd
[01:36] <heroin> stan: u want dictonaries for the whole enviroment or only for openoffice?
[01:36] <Tokra> SillyZ: it didn't work - Error message is that my driver version 10.14.09 is different then the kernel version
[01:36] <SillyZ> what kinda machine is this Geforce in Torka? laptop  /  desktop?
[01:36] <stan> heroin: I need dictionaries to look up words
[01:36] <Tokra> SillyZ: do I have to uninstall the Nvidia driver ver 100.14.09 and try again
[01:37] <sivaji> heroin he need that as a separate package
[01:37] <SillyZ> aye apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:37] <Tokra> desktop
[01:37] <SillyZ> dell?
[01:37] <angel> is there anyone here who's able to help me with my microphone ???
[01:38] <heroin> stan: u wish to use the dictonary function ? well iam using fluxbox but i suggest u man dictonary(or whatever the app is called) and check www.wiki.ubuntu.com aswell as the forums
[01:38] <Tokra> no selfmade
[01:38] <stan> heroin: thanks, Ill take a look now then... ;)
[01:38] <SillyZ> torka join #sillyz
[01:39] <heroin> stan: yah wiki is easiest and forums will always yield some results
[01:39] <Tokra> Pentium 4300 Gforce 8600GT 2Gbit Ram ASUS P5B board
[01:39] <heroin> Tokra: nice PC
[01:39] <angel> it means no...
[01:40] <Tokra> thx but it doesnt help me at all becaus I cant use my GFX crd right now and turning back to windoof is not an option
[01:40] <heroin> Tokra: ok when i installed 7.04 it automatically gave me correct drivers which had opengl support
[01:40] <heroin> Tokra: which version of kubuntu are u running?
[01:41] <stan> heroin: yeah, thats the problem... I didnt find anything on the forums because they always refer to the spell checker... anyway, Ill have a look at wiki now... Thank you for your help, guys! ;)
[01:42] <heroin> stan: if u cant figure it out after the forums let me know and i will help aswell
[01:42] <stan> heroin: ok, thnx ;)
[01:42] <crafty_> I'm trying to load a website but the connection is refused, this is the only website this is happening with, what does it mean?
[01:43] <sivaji> crafty_ which website
[01:43] <crafty_> http://forums.mvgroup.org
[01:43] <crafty_> sorry about the hyperlink
[01:45] <sivaji> crafty_ u r right even i too cant
[01:45] <crafty_> now it said it 'timed out'
[01:46] <crafty_> could it mean it's busy?
[01:46] <sivaji> may be
[01:47] <crafty_> ok
[01:47] <crafty_> cuz operations associated w it are fine.
[01:47] <heroin> crafty_: yes
[01:47] <crafty_> btw, how are the bug fixes w ubuntu studio goin
[01:48] <crafty_> 1. you can't record audio w sound card
[01:48] <crafty_> 2. you can't mount a cd/dvd with anything on it w o consol
[01:49] <crafty_> big bugs in an otherwise sweet operating system
[01:49] <heroin> crafty_: well thats not an OS related thing is it?
[01:49] <heroin> crafty_: its an application..
[01:50] <heroin> crafty_: tahts like saying. yah Nero doesnt really work.. otehrwise windows is a good OS
[01:50] <crafty_> yes it is.  it's all across the board, all apps w feisty.  doesn't happen w other forms of ubuntu
[01:50] <crafty_> um, that would be like saying you can't do it with any app
[01:50] <crafty_> no app works for recording mounting cds
[01:51] <crafty_> and I'm not the only one who had this problem.
[01:51] <crafty_> audacity and all other recording aps don't work.
[01:51] <heroin> crafty_: well ok
[01:52] <crafty_> spent a frustrating three weeks trying app after app
[01:52] <crafty_> Dapper w audacity recorded internet radio just fine
[01:53] <crafty_> just wanted to let the developing team it had a problem
[01:53] <crafty_> *know
[01:54] <crafty_> ttyl
[02:01] <kumamoto> does anyone use static ipaddrs at home
[02:02] <ubunturos> kumamoto: I do
[02:04] <kumamoto> ubunturos: whois is your provider
[02:06] <ubunturos> kumamoto: I'm in India, Mumbai. MTNL is my ISP
[02:07] <heroin> wow.. India
[02:07] <heroin> u guys are pissing me off
[02:08] <ubunturos> heroin: pissing me off, for what?
[02:08] <kumamoto> man we in the US are behind on the broadband thing what is your speed
[02:08] <heroin> your society is poluting the world sooo badly
[02:08] <heroin> iam on a 8mbit cable :) for 25$ per month unlimited access and bandiwth
[02:09] <kumamoto> that is what you call a growing industrial power does
[02:09] <ubunturos> heroin: wow cool!
[02:09] <ubunturos> kumamoto: but what's your ISP ?
[02:09] <ubunturos> eeks, who's your ISP
[02:09] <kumamoto> ubunturos: some cheap isp who is charging me 5MB for $60
[02:10] <kumamoto> called CHARTER
[02:10] <kumamoto> no static
[02:10] <ubunturos> kumamoto: oh, heroin and you are in different states
[02:10] <ubunturos> ?
[02:10] <kumamoto> if I were to get static IPs it would cost me $120 for 3MB
[02:11] <heroin> kumamoto: wher eu live?
[02:11] <kumamoto> india is far ahead of the US in providing broadband services
[02:12] <kumamoto> heroin: TX
[02:12] <heroin> no..
[02:12] <ubunturos> kumamoto: may be generalization won't be good. You would have to point out specific areas
[02:12] <heroin> Holland is pretty kick ass aswell as japan southkorea and norway and the likes
[02:13] <ubunturos> kumamoto: Mumbai and Delhi are better off in Broadband penetration.
[02:13] <heroin> Amerika is just fooked because AT&T and the likes are greed asses who rather have profit then change
[02:13] <ubunturos> heroin: where are you located in the US?
[02:13] <heroin> ubunturos: i live in the netherlands, europe
[02:13] <kumamoto> heroin: I concour
[02:13] <heroin> ubunturos: i have lived in america though
[02:13] <ubunturos> heroin: ah, I see
[02:14] <heroin> kumamoto: though the size of America does make it a bit harder to lay down pipes it doesnt matter in NY and large urban areas they still charge WAAAY to much for shit connections with dynamic ips bandwith limits and insane rules
[02:14] <ubunturos> kumamoto: shocking to know TX doesn't have cheaper Broadband :-o
[02:15] <heroin> ubunturos: america is pretty shitty man
[02:15] <ubunturos> heroin: may be. But innovations probably potray it differently
[02:15] <heroin> ubunturos: in the movies its decent but when ur there people are dumb retared and just plain stupid.. no offe to kumamoto who seems like a very decent person
[02:16] <Jucato> !offtopic
[02:16] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:16] <heroin> aAnyway its time to go outside.. enjoy the fresh air and smoke :P
[02:16] <kumamoto> and they rip us off on upstream
[02:19] <sivaji> Jucato hi
[02:19] <Jucato> hi sivaji
[02:21] <sivaji> kumamoto are u indian
[02:22] <kumamoto> sivaji:nah
[02:22] <eagles0513875> random kubuntu related though
[02:22] <eagles0513875> dont install apache on a lapto
[02:22] <eagles0513875> p
[02:22] <eagles0513875> after a while it really starts to bog down ur machine at least a laptop
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> especially if you don't need it
[02:23] <kumamoto> aptitude purge apache
[02:29] <icecruncher> how can I install chess engines?
[02:30] <^RiaN^> what is that
[02:30] <^RiaN^> a game?
[02:30] <icecruncher> yep, for Knights
[02:36] <Tokra> Hi SillyZ it didn't work
[02:37] <Avanti> Anyone have any hints to installing kubuntu, on a Mac? I am about to attempt to install it, but Im betting that there is going to be some problems with the EFI?
[02:39] <sivaji> Avanti try #ubuntu
[02:39] <Avanti> They seem a little busy atm <_>
[02:40] <sivaji> icecruncher have u installed that
[02:41] <Tokra> SillyZ: are U still there
[02:45] <sivaji> i think there are so many bugs in ubuntu that is y #ubuntu is always flooding
[02:45] <Avanti> That seems like a reasonable statement, Is there a website or something for the people who don't have a BIOS?
[02:49] <binks> has anyone got mythtv installed
[02:49] <binks> or no howto as if i install the package it doesnt create a user or the db in mysqy
[02:49] <binks> ^mysql
[03:00] <soon> I'm trying to install LAMP on my kubuntu to create a test Drupal site - I get: We were unable to use the MySQL database because the MySQL extension for PHP is not installed.
[03:00] <soon> my /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini is here http://pastebin.com/930194
[03:01] <soon> I've installed php5, php5-cli and php-mysql
[03:02] <soon> also libapache2-mod-php5
[03:06] <dfeser> hi!
[03:06] <dfeser> does someone know when the new cups version will be avail. in feisty?
[03:06] <BluesKaj> 'Morning All :)
[03:06] <BluesKaj> new cups ?
[03:07] <SlimG> What's the graphical KDE equivalent of bash's "cp" ?
[03:08] <Daisuke_Ido> drag and drop?
[03:08] <Daisuke_Ido> how can there be a graphical equivalent to "COPY"
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> mornin'  BluesKaj
[03:08] <Shock> hey premier_ you there?
[03:09] <BluesKaj> hi nosrednaekim
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> ready to save the world one Linux problem at a time?
[03:10] <SlimG> Daisuke_Ido: The KDE dialogue that appears when you either copy files from http or local on your machine
[03:11] <Daisuke_Ido> a "save as" dialog?
[03:11] <BluesKaj> had a bad time with a broken grub yesterday after a kernel upgrade ,which broke grub without any warnings, but was able to restore the linux boot at least
[03:11] <BluesKaj> with a lot of help of course
[03:11] <Daisuke_Ido> or the progress dialog
[03:12] <SlimG> Daisuke_Ido: progress dialogue
[03:13] <Daisuke_Ido> that makes sense...  i don't see how that's a graphical equivalent to cp (meaning a way to perform the same function graphically), it's just a progress indicator.
[03:13] <mweijts> !firewall
[03:13] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[03:13] <SillyZ> heres one for ya, printing, I used to get a banner at the top and bottom of each page, indicating the file, page number and title of the document? How to get this back?
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> SillyZ: from Kate?
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> SillyZ: or if not... from which program?
[03:14] <SlimG> Daisuke_Ido: I mean the KDE app that works just like cp, but additionally has the KDE GUI progress dialogue
[03:15] <SillyZ> Im not sure if it was Kate or where it was from, ill try kate tho
[03:15] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not an app, per se, it's just...  part of kde
[03:16] <SlimG> Daisuke_Ido: You know how to initiate such a filecopy-dialogue ?
[03:16] <Daisuke_Ido> actually, yours would probably be a better question for the guys in #kde
[03:16] <SillyZ> ya looking at the print options in kate, I think it was kate
[03:16] <SlimG> Daisuke_Ido: thanks
[03:16] <Daisuke_Ido> np, sorry it took a while to understand what you meant
[03:16] <SillyZ> yup it was kate
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> SillyZ: yah... thats the only prgram i've ever seen do that by default
[03:16] <SillyZ> thanks
[03:17] <SillyZ> very handy lil option, i like it much
[03:17] <SillyZ> wish it was a system option in like Cups
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> I think it is a kprint option somewhere.
[03:21] <SlimG> Daisuke_Ido: Tought I'd share the answer of my question with you: kfmclient copy 'src' 'dest'
[03:25] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> SlimG: and what exactly is the use of that?
[03:27] <sito> hellow
[03:27] <sito> http://www.peliculasonline.org/visualizador.php?nombre=Futurama%202x17&fecha=1768
[03:28] <SillyZ> anyone tried using like acronis for a backup system?
[03:28] <sito> anybody can view this video?
[03:28] <Arwen> sito, yes, it's just generic divx
[03:28] <sito> i use firefox
[03:29] <sito> i download mediaplayerconectivity program
[03:30] <sito> but when i view with vlc player the video stoped and show "buffering"
[03:31] <Arwen> sito, just play this url directly: ttp://video.stage6.com/1314155/.divx
[03:31] <Arwen> http*
[03:32] <sito> but what is the program for view this divx?
[03:34] <Arwen> sito, .....your generic media player?
[03:35] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, what's a proper mount point for dvdwriter
[03:35] <sito> Arwen: vlc
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> dvdwriter? if you mean the device itself, I would think /dev/cdrom or/dev/dvd
[03:35] <Arwen> sito, that ought to work. long as your connection speed is higher than approx 1000kbit
[03:36] <sito> my connection speed is 1024 aprox.
[03:36] <Arwen> sito, eh... maybe you want to consider downloading the file and then playing it instead?
[03:37] <Shock> sito: works for me using firefox and mozilla-mplayer plugin
[03:38] <sito> Arwen: this solucion is goot...
[03:38] <sito> Shock: yes...
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj:  if you mean the device itself, I would think /dev/cdrom or/dev/dvd
[03:39] <jriachi> hello
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> hwllo
[03:40] <jacques> ubuntu can not use my wireless card
[03:41] <FSHero> Hi all: is there a way to allow game sounds to play (e.g. in OpenArena: bullet sounds, etc.) while Amarok plays music?
[03:42] <sfire> didn't know about that game FSHero... I'm going to download it and check it out now
[03:43] <FSHero> sfire: it's nice. A free-software Quake 3 game.
[03:43] <BluesKaj> hey, daughter's cursor is frozen in windows XP...anyone know the fix ..I used to but forgot ?
[03:43] <FSHero> sfire: hours of fun :)
[03:43] <Arwen> FSHero, openarena?
[03:44] <Arwen> BluesKaj, this is #kubuntu ...
[03:44] <renzaassirat> i cannot run my php files
[03:44] <sfire> BluesKaj: that sounds like a question for another channel
[03:44] <renzaassirat> pls help me
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: unplugg the mouse whirl it around your head 11.4 times bow down 6 times to Redmond and then plug it back in
[03:44] <bonbonthejon> BluesKaj: restart it, that always seems to work
[03:44] <bonbonthejon> !ask | renzaassirat
[03:44] <ubotu> renzaassirat: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:44] <BluesKaj> Arwen, up yours , this is an emergency for my daughter
[03:44] <sfire> BluesKaj: of course the answer is a complete re-install
[03:45] <Arwen> BluesKaj, and we don't care about your stinkin "daughter", not this channel please
[03:45] <FSHero> Arwen: Yes, OpenArena... and other games with sound in-game
[03:45] <bonbonthejon> renzaassirat: you mean the php files aren't handled by apache?
[03:45] <Arwen> FSHero, hehe, I've just not heard of it before.
[03:45] <BluesKaj> Arwen, why do you keep confirming that you're an asshole ?
[03:45] <renzaassirat> bonbonthejon: yes
[03:46] <Arwen> BluesKaj, you're the one making personal attacks? shoo
[03:46] <Jucato> !guidelines
[03:46] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[03:46] <Arwen> FSHero, try changing amarok's audio output to arts or esd?
[03:46] <k00kla>  ?
[03:46] <BluesKaj>  <Arwen> BluesKaj, and we don't care about your stinkin "daughter"
[03:46] <FSHero> Arwen: thanks... I'll read up on how to (noob alert).
[03:46] <FSHero> BluesKaj: what exactly is happening?
[03:46] <sfire> BluesKaj: well... we don't
[03:46] <BluesKaj> that's not a personal attacK ?
[03:46] <Arwen> FSHero, *disclaimer* that's just a guess
[03:46] <Jucato> BluesKaj: ##windows
[03:46] <renzaassirat> bonbonthejon: my apache just run a html files
[03:47] <FSHero> Arwen: cool, np
[03:47] <k00kla> 
[03:47] <bonbonthejon> renzaassirat: http://howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu704 will help
[03:47] <renzaassirat> bonbonthejon: but it cannot rus a php file
[03:47] <bonbonthejon> !ru > k00kla
[03:47] <Arwen> BluesKaj, if you're going to quote, at least quote the entire line. K, thx.
[03:47] <BluesKaj> just trying to help her she's a newb to computers in general
[03:47] <sfire> BluesKaj: sounds like you are also :p
[03:47] <renzaassirat> bonbonthejon: thanks
[03:48] <BluesKaj> FSHero, her cursor is frozen her laptop
[03:48] <Jucato> Arwen, BluesKaj: ok both of you calm down. BluesKaj, it's a question for ##windows obviously. Arwen, let's try to be civil. thanks
[03:48] <bonbonthejon> renzaassirat: thats a really good guide
[03:48] <bonbonthejon> thank you Jucato
[03:48] <Arwen> fair enough
[03:48] <FSHero> BluesKaj: I haven't encountered that problem before... sorry
[03:49] <Arwen> BluesKaj, instead of wasting time trying to figure it out, you could just reboot?
[03:49] <bonbonthejon> BluesKaj: rebooting always seems to fix windows, for some reason
[03:50] <BluesKaj> just asked civil question i get attacked personally ..and the guy even insults my daughter and he acts as if i offended him? WOW ..
[03:50] <sfire> BluesKaj: you are not using common sense... you are in the wrong channel for that question
[03:51] <Arwen> no sense adding fuel to the flame.... even if I am right..
[03:51] <Jucato> ok just stop it everyone
[03:52] <BluesKaj> sfire, it was a quick question which i thought some ppl familiar with using other OSs' would know the answer to ...it's not going to break aura of superiority if the word windows ia mentioned
[03:52] <sfire> FSHero: I've got both Amarok sound and the game sound
[03:53] <sfire> FSHero: don't know whats different in my setup but it works
[03:53] <FSHero> sfire: truth be told, I'm running Amarok in Xfce... does that change things?
[03:53] <sfire> it could
[03:53] <sfire> not really sure... never tried xfce
[03:53] <BluesKaj> another insult ..not using common sense ... well i can see there 's no lack of bad manners here
[03:53] <FSHero> sfire: thanks. I'll try it in 'pure' KDE.
[03:53] <bonbonthejon> ok, question, you know when you start konqueror, there is that blue screen, I replaced the images with some other ones. how can i get the default blue ones back
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: better watch it if you don't want to be banned.
[03:54] <BluesKaj> me banned ...I'm not the one insulting ppl, nosrednaekim
[03:55] <Jucato> BluesKaj: please stop it already. please?
[03:55] <FSHero> If you've been using sudo at a terminal to do stuff, it remembers your 'superuser' priviledges for a few minutes. How do you get the terminal to "forget" your priviledges?
[03:55] <jacques> hi there
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> hello
[03:55] <bonbonthejon> hi jacques
[03:55] <sfire> FSHero: wait several minutes?
[03:56] <bonbonthejon> FSHero: if you are using konsole, then just close it
[03:56] <FSHero> bonbonthejon: thanks! I didn't notice that :P
[03:56] <NickPresta> FSHero, `sudo -k`
[03:57] <NickPresta> FSHero, use `man sudo` for more information.
[03:57] <FSHero> NickPresta: thanks.
[04:00] <shane2peru> howdy all, can anyone recommend a good icon-theme to install for Kubuntu?
[04:00] <shane2peru> I installed the kubuntu-desktop over my Ubuntu installation and no icons showed up.
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> shane2peru: I use Human,
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> which is the ubuntu theme
[04:01] <Arwen> I use crystalsvg, but...
[04:01] <shane2peru> nosrednaekim, for KDE?
[04:01] <jriachi> i use OS-K (downloaded from look.kde.org)
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> shane2peru: yeah, all icons are cross desktop now
[04:02] <shane2peru> really, I didn't know that.
[04:02] <Arwen> dang it... my cube looks ugly. Why doesn't beryl have anti-aliasing?
[04:02] <shane2peru> ok, I like the blue themes better though.
[04:02] <shane2peru> Thanks.
[04:02] <jriachi> is it easy to enable beryl in kubuntu+nvidia?
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> shane2peru: then use crystal
[04:03] <Arwen> jriachi, eh... yes? but beryl is dead. Use compiz.
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> beryl is DEAD?
[04:03] <shane2peru> ok, thanks nosrednaekim
[04:03] <Arwen> nosrednaekim, didn't you hear? it merged into compiz.
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> I knew they were talking
[04:04] <Arwen> opencompositing.org <-- it's official
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> cool!
[04:04] <SillyZ> ok heres another silly question fromt he sillyz.... .when I click on any icon, i get this 'icon animatin zooming', ive looked in apperance, etc how to turn this off ??
[04:04] <Arwen> makes sense really, beryl was just a bunch of compiz plugins
[04:04] <sfire> sweet :)
[04:04] <sfire> get all the good minds in on the project :)
[04:05] <Jucato> SillyZ: System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Mouse -> Activation checkbox at the bottom
[04:05] <SillyZ> thanks
[04:05] <jriachi> mmm.. so i should google for compiz instead of beryl
[04:05] <jriachi> good to know
[04:05] <shane2peru> does anyone know what the default icon theme is for Kubuntu? and how I can install it?
[04:05] <crdlb> jriachi, for now, install beryl
[04:05] <SillyZ> schweet that works
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> shane2peru: crystal. do you have it?
[04:05] <Jucato> shane2peru: Crystal SVG
[04:06] <crdlb> unless you want to install stuff from git that isn't quite ready
[04:06] <SillyZ> now how to turn off the damned ntoficiation when you move the mouse over like the K button, or the iicons beside it ?
[04:06] <Jucato> SillyZ: right-click on the panel -> Configure Panel -> Taskbar -> mouseover effects
[04:06] <Arwen> crdlb, bah, none of that compositing stuff is "ready" yet.
[04:06] <shane2peru> nosrednaekim, I think, I just installed it
[04:06] <Jucato> SillyZ: er sorry...
[04:06] <Jucato> make that Appearance -> mouseover effect
[04:06] <shane2peru> via adept
[04:07] <Jucato> Appearance not Taskbar
[04:07] <Jucato> shane2peru: you installed it? it should be installed by default on Kubuntu anyway
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> shane2peru: so now you want ot know how to enable it?
[04:07] <Jucato> SillyZ: are you going to ask about the bouncing icon next?
[04:07] <shane2peru> I know, but when I installed over Ubuntu it didn't install it.
[04:08] <bonbonthejon> so should i install compiz instead of beryl
[04:08] <shane2peru> My icons are a mess with a a lot of missing icons.
[04:08] <crdlb> bonbonthejon, no, not yet
[04:08] <Jucato> shane2peru: hm... strange... it should have
[04:08] <shane2peru> yeah, I been through this before on the forums, but never got the best fix
[04:08] <SillyZ> hmmm no option there like that
[04:08] <shane2peru> I installed icons through aptitude kde-icons-themename
[04:09] <SillyZ> jucato no i got that one in kcontrol
[04:09] <shane2peru> I'm downloading one now from kde-look.org, but would like the kubuntu or ichthux default theme.
[04:09] <Jucato> SillyZ: oh... everything's in there... KControl -> Peripherals -> Mouse. KControl -> Desktop -> Panels -> Appearance
[04:11] <jriachi> Jucato: how can i access kcontrol in kubuntu?
[04:11] <Jucato> jriachi: Alt+F2, "kcontrol"
[04:11] <jriachi> no menu entry?
[04:11] <SillyZ> its desktop -> panels -> appearance -> Enable icon mouseover effect thats it
[04:12] <SillyZ> thanks guys
[04:12] <Jucato> jriachi: Kubuntu uses System Settings instead
[04:12] <Jucato> (which is just KControl with a makeover
[04:13] <jriachi> yes, but some options are missing (or at least i cant find them)
[04:13] <bonbonthejon> jriachi: use alt-f2 and run "kcontrol"
[04:13] <jriachi> bonbonthejon. Jucato. I'll do, thanks :)
[04:13] <shane2peru> does anyone know  how to get a complete set of icons?  I'm always missing some
[04:14] <shane2peru> I have installed the Crystal theme, and it is still lacking
[04:14] <shane2peru> Just tried one from kde-look.org called breathless and it is pretty comprehensive, but I'm still missing some
[04:15] <Jucato> shane2peru: Crystal SVG (take note of the "SVG" part of the name) is the most complete KDE icon theme.
[04:15] <shane2peru> ok, I don't think that one was in my icon choices.
[04:16] <Jucato> shane2peru: kde-icons-crystal
[04:16] <shane2peru> ok, I don't see the crystal SVG
[04:16] <shane2peru> I have crystal and crystalclear
[04:17] <Jucato> I just gave you the package name for it
[04:17] <Jucato> it's the crystal one
[04:17] <Jucato> er wait no!
[04:17] <shane2peru> oh, sorry didn't see that, I'm new to this chat stuff.
[04:17] <Jucato> sorry sorry
[04:17] <Dr_willis> Weee!  'wanna hack like in the movies' -->  http://hacketyhack.net/
[04:17] <shane2peru> we are talking about the repos right, not kde-look.org
[04:17] <Jucato> Crystal SVG, which is KDE's default icon theme, is installed through kdelibs
[04:18] <shane2peru> ok, so I need to install kdelibs
[04:18] <Dr_willis> Gotta love fun progaming toys!
[04:18] <shane2peru> Jucato, claims that is installed.
[04:18] <Jucato> shane2peru: if you installed KDE or Kubuntu over GNOME, it should be
[04:18] <Jucato> I don't understand what other problem you are having though...
[04:19] <Dr_willis> what icons are you missing?
[04:19] <shane2peru> it is installed, but I don't see it in the icons list
[04:19] <Jucato> shane2peru: where are you checking?
[04:19] <shane2peru> in the menu adept doesn't have an icon, and in my panel several like kopete doesn't have an icon and kwallet no icon
[04:19] <shane2peru> those last two are in the panel
[04:20] <Jucato> O.o
[04:20] <shane2peru> system settings -> Appearance -> Icons
[04:20] <shane2peru> does my panel need to be restarted for the icons to show up?
[04:22] <Minataku> Morning, Dr_willis
[04:23] <Dr_willis> Howdys
[04:23] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  check out -->   'wanna hack like in the movies' -->  http://hacketyhack.net/
[04:23] <Dr_willis> heh. Programing for Kiddies!
[04:23] <jriachi> it would be good to be able to say ("use this iconset, if it has not the needed icons use this other iconset, if not then use the default iconset")
[04:24] <shane2peru> yes, that would be nice to have a few fallback options
[04:24] <Minataku> Heehee
[04:24] <shane2peru> I know when Kubuntu is installed first there aren't all these missing icons.
[04:25] <Jucato> shane2peru: have you tried logging out and logging back in?
[04:25] <Dr_willis> try a new user - see if they got the same issues
[04:25] <sfire> can anyone tell me how I can enable hardware OpenGL on my video card.  I know it has it and have searched google but comming up with nothing
[04:25] <shane2peru> no, that I didn't try, let me give that a try.
[04:25] <Dr_willis> sfire,  what video card?
[04:25] <nosrednaekim> sfire: what type of video card?
[04:25] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Is this real?
[04:25] <sfire> its a intel card (built into my laptop)
[04:25] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  http://www.zonbu.com/demo/  looks neat also.
[04:26] <Minataku> More over... Ruby? What a dumb choice. :P
[04:26] <hasan> hi gusy
[04:26] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  as far as i know its real. I just downloaded it. saw it in a Linux Magazine
[04:26] <hasan> guys
[04:26] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  yea. they should of used Rexx!
[04:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:26] <hasan> is there a backup software like northon ghost for kubuntu
[04:26] <Dr_willis> hasan,  i normally use Mondo/Mindi
[04:26] <Minataku> Nah, if they had to use a scripting language, Python
[04:26] <hasan> what's that?
[04:26] <Dr_willis> thers other backup tools out also.
[04:26] <nosrednaekim> sfire: 3d should be enabled by default I should think.
[04:26] <Dr_willis> !info mondo
[04:26] <ubotu> mondo: powerful disaster recovery suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.20-1.1 (feisty), package size 402 kB, installed size 1132 kB
[04:26] <Dr_willis> !info mindo
[04:26] <ubotu> Package mindo does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:26] <Dr_willis> !info mindi
[04:27] <ubotu> mindi: creates boot/root disks based on your system. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.20-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 152 kB, installed size 728 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 ia64)
[04:27] <sfire> nosrednaekim: it seems to work but glxgears goes really really slowly
[04:27] <hasan> !info mondo
[04:27] <Dr_willis> with Mondo/Mindi - i can backup a whole system to smb share/dvd/other ways. and restore it from a bootable disk set
[04:27] <nosrednaekim> sfire: what does " glxinfo" say?
[04:27] <Minataku> OpenGL via software rendering is totally useless
[04:27] <sfire> nosrednaekim: it claims 542-545 FLS
[04:27] <Minataku> You could draw the frames faster by hand
[04:27] <hasan> probably with command line
[04:28] <hasan> but i m not so good at using linux
[04:28] <sfire> nosrednaekim: but on the screen it looks really jerky
[04:28] <hasan> just a beginner newcomer from windows realm
[04:28] <shane2peru> ok, logging out and back in helped a little
[04:28] <Minataku> sfire: What kind of video card do you have?
[04:28] <shane2peru> however now I'm missing all the nice little icons inside of kopete
[04:28] <Minataku> I notice you ignored that question
[04:28] <hasan> yet another question
[04:28] <shane2peru> I have a bunch of blank pieces of paper.
[04:29] <hasan> is there anybody who has successfully connected and synced his mobile phone with kubuntu?
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: he said intel (what type WOULD be nice though)
[04:29] <Minataku> X3
[04:29] <hasan> ive got a mpx220
[04:29] <hasan> but i cant sync it with kubuntu
[04:29] <Minataku> nosrednaekim: Ah, I missed that, sorry
[04:29] <shane2peru> :), I'm not much of an artist
[04:29] <sfire> Minataku: intel 945GM
[04:29] <hasan> though i ve installl raki sync-kde
[04:29] <Minataku> shane2peru: Heh, neither am I
[04:29] <shane2peru> :)
[04:32] <sfire> I found it
[04:32] <sfire> I had my pc setup on powersave mode
[04:32] <sfire> <--- kicks self ... sorry all
[04:32] <Minataku> Heh
[04:32] <Minataku> It's okay
[04:34] <sfire> nope. that wasn't it.. still only software opengl
[04:35] <crdlb> sfire, glxinfo|grep client
[04:35] <sfire> client glx vendor string: SGI
[04:35] <sfire> client glx version string: 1.4
[04:35] <sfire> client glx extensions:
[04:35] <crdlb> sfire, pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:38] <sfire> crdlb: I've gotta shrink it a little bit for pastebin
[04:38] <crdlb> sfire, why?
[04:38] <crdlb> !pastebin
[04:38] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:39] <crdlb> a pastebin service can handle an Xorg.0.log
[04:39] <crdlb> that's what they're for
[04:40] <sfire> crdlb: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25849/
[04:41] <crdlb> sfire, I need the whole thing
[04:42] <sfire> can I DCC it to you?
[04:42] <crdlb> no use the pastebin
[04:42] <crdlb> if it doesn't accept it, use a different pastebin like pastebin.ca
[04:43] <sfire> they won't accept a file that large
[04:43] <sfire> 150,000 max
[04:43] <sfire> already tried
[04:43] <crdlb> how long is it?
[04:43] <sfire> 500k
[04:43] <crdlb> sfire, wc -l /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:44] <sfire> 22983
[04:44] <crdlb> yikes
[04:44] <sfire> yea... hence the DCC question
[04:44] <sfire> would take like a second to DCC it
[04:45] <shane2peru> ok, back to icon problems, just opened Amarok, and there are no icons in the program!  Arggh
[04:45] <crdlb> sfire, try: http://www.speedyshare.com/
[04:45] <sfire> crdlb: http://www.speedyshare.com/231760336.html
[04:47] <nosrednaekim> shane2peru: hmm!
[04:47] <shane2peru> nosrednaekim, I'm downloading the Crystal SVG theme from kde-look now
[04:47] <shane2peru> I'm going to give that a try
[04:48] <nosrednaekim> ok.
[04:48] <nosrednaekim> maybe its Icon paths though...
[04:48] <shane2peru> according to aptitude it is installed, but doesn't show up in my list of choices
[04:48] <crdlb> sfire, pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:49] <sfire> http://pastebin.ca/570008
[04:51] <shane2peru> I will give this icon theme a try and post back if there are still problems. I don't know how to check the Icon paths
[04:51] <crdlb> sfire, remove   load "GLcore"
[04:51] <crdlb> and add: load "dri"
[04:52] <sfire> then just reboot X ?
[04:52] <crdlb> sfire, that'll either fix it, or reveal another problem :)
[04:52] <crdlb> yes restart X
[04:52] <sfire> ok.. brb
[04:54] <renzaassirat> i still cannot run  my php file on my webserver
[04:54] <renzaassirat> how to solve this problem
[04:55] <icecruncher> renzaassirat: di you install php?
[04:55] <renzaassirat> icecruncher:yes
[04:55] <Dragnslcr> And what happens when you try to load a .php page?
[04:55] <renzaassirat> icecruncher:i have install all php,apache and mysql
[04:56] <icecruncher> did you follow the tutorials?
[04:56] <renzaassirat> icecruncher:yup
[04:56] <icecruncher> renzaassirat: did you doubble check the code?
[04:57] <renzaassirat> icecruncher:i follow fromhttp://howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu704
[04:57] <hasan> hi guys
[04:57] <hasan> i ve got a few questions
[04:57] <hasan> i try to use ktorrent
[04:57] <renzaassirat> icecruncher:i sure that
[04:57] <hasan> i ve got a file in list but dl does not start
[04:58] <hasan> status is stalled
[04:58] <Dragnslcr> renzaassirat- you still haven't said anything more than "it doesn't work"
[04:58] <icecruncher> renzaassirat: just a sec
[04:58] <hasan> do i have to port forward or something?
[04:58] <Dragnslcr> hasan- you might want to check to make sure that the port that KTorrent is using isn't blocked
[04:59] <hasan> do u know that port by heart?
[04:59] <Dragnslcr> No, but netstat tells me it's 6881
[04:59] <hasan> k
[04:59] <hasan> ive found it
[05:00] <hasan> right that's it
[05:00] <hasan> ill try to dl securedvd but it does not start
[05:00] <jacques> hi there I am trying to make my wifi working but no way
[05:00] <jacques> Is there a way to fix it?
[05:00] <sfire> crdlb: it worked :)
[05:00] <hasan> and its not available over emule just over torrent and normally i dont use torrents
[05:00] <sfire> crdlb: I'm going to post the info for other people with this intel card :)
[05:00] <crdlb> sfire, out of curiousity, is your logfile still 500K?
[05:01] <sfire> no
[05:01] <icecruncher> renzaassirat: you might wanna uninstall all of them and follow this https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/server/C/httpd.html https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/server/C/php5.html
[05:01] <crdlb> sfire, you get the record for the longest X log I've ever seen :D
[05:01] <icecruncher> renzaassirat: at leasdt red tehm and se what was different
[05:01] <sfire> crdlb: 72k now
[05:02] <crdlb> that's more like it
[05:02] <hasan> nope
[05:02] <hasan> 6881 is allowed
[05:02] <sfire> probably why I couldn't get beryl to work also :)
[05:02] <hasan> and i havent installed a firewall in my linux
[05:02] <crdlb> yeah it'll work fine now
[05:02] <hasan> what may be the possible problem ?
[05:02] <sfire> crdlb: yes it does :D
[05:03] <hasan> i cant still use ktorrent thought its forwarded correctly in my routers config screen
[05:03] <sfire> crdlb: every other time it crashed... now it works great :D
[05:03] <renzaassirat> icecruncher:thanks
[05:03] <icecruncher> np
[05:04] <hasan> in tracker status its written "timeout on server 80.15 at port 8082"
[05:05] <sfire> this beryl rocks... I've never gotten to see it before
[05:05] <sfire> except in youtube videos
[05:06] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, it is pretty cool
[05:06] <waylandbill> sfire: yes. it interesting.
[05:06] <Dragnslcr> I wish I could run it more
[05:06] <Watersevenub> Guys. http://edu.kde.org/step/ is not shipped with Kubuntu? I can't find it for some reason in the repositories.
[05:06] <waylandbill> I like the flaming windows best.
[05:06] <Dragnslcr> Heh, the flame effect is neat
[05:07] <nosrednaekim> I like "beam"
[05:07] <sfire> how do you do the cube thing?
[05:07] <waylandbill> Watersevenub: maybe noone has packaged it yet.
[05:07] <sfire> nevermind.. I'll go lookup the instructions
[05:08] <nosrednaekim> sfire: are you running beryl?
[05:08] <sfire> yea
[05:08] <nosrednaekim> try "ctrl+alt+right arrow"
[05:08] <Watersevenub> waylandbill, strange.
[05:08] <Dragnslcr> Watersevenub- read the page about compiling
[05:09] <Dragnslcr> "Step is only in SVN trunk (KDE 4), in the playground/edu module. You need a recent KDE 4 installation (Qt 4 and kdelibs) to build Step."
[05:09] <Watersevenub> Dragnslcr, thanks, misread that.
[05:09] <shane2peru> arrrgh, ok, this is annoying
[05:09] <sfire> nosrednaekim: that is sweet :)
[05:09] <shane2peru> still missing icons
[05:09] <shane2peru> must be the other problem
[05:09] <shane2peru> locations or something
[05:09] <waylandbill> Watersevenub: you could always package it yourself or suggest it to the MOTU
[05:10] <nosrednaekim> sfire: try ctrl+alt+click left mouse button and drag
[05:10] <jriachi> hello
[05:10] <sfire> hi
[05:11] <nosrednaekim> hello
[05:11] <Syndic4te> Hi guys
[05:11] <Syndic4te>  i just added _75.00 to the first resolutions in all of the modes in xorg.conf...my monitor can support it. is that okay? it shouldn't mess it up...right?
[05:11] <amin81> hey everyone
[05:11] <shane2peru> if it wasn't so much work I would just install kubuntu from scratch and re-install everything
[05:12] <amin81> anybody up for a big challenge? hehe
[05:12] <nosrednaekim> amin81: hehe... what is it.
[05:12] <jriachi> how can i enter unidode symbols? (e.g. i'd like to write the infinity symbol (U+221E)  typing Control+Shift+221E or something)
[05:12] <shane2peru> nosrdnaekim, what was the other thing you mentioned, about the icon path or something?
[05:12] <amin81> nosrednaekim: I cannot get online with my computer
[05:12] <nosrednaekim> shane2peru: yeah, go over to #kde and ask about your icon problem
[05:12] <amin81> nosrednaekim: Right now I am online with windows
[05:13] <nosrednaekim> amin81: ok, do you have wireless? or dialup?
[05:13] <shane2peru> ok, I assume that is the channel?
[05:13] <amin81> nosrednaekim: No, none of them
[05:13] <nosrednaekim> shane2peru: yeah
[05:13] <shane2peru> ok, thanks
[05:13] <nosrednaekim> amin81: just wired?
[05:13] <amin81> nosrednaekim: ye
[05:13] <amin81> s
[05:13] <nosrednaekim> amin81: what network chipset do you have?
[05:13] <shane2peru> I will jot that down, thanks nosrednaekim
[05:13] <amin81> nosrednaekim: hmm, what is that? haha
[05:14] <nosrednaekim> amin81: do you have an intel network chip? a reltek? an nvidia?
[05:14] <amin81> nosrednaekim: aha, I have intel
[05:14] <nosrednaekim> amin81: ok, well then it should all work..
[05:14] <amin81> nos
[05:14] <amin81> nosrednaekim: ok, cool
[05:15] <nosrednaekim> amin81: but you say it doesn't?
[05:15] <amin81> nosrednaekim: no
[05:15] <amin81> nosrednaekim: the funny thing is, I can ping www.google.com through konsole
[05:15] <stdin> dhcp or manual configuration ?
[05:15] <amin81> nosrednaekim: but cannot get online
[05:15] <amin81> dhcp
[05:15] <stdin> and you can ping google by name?
[05:15] <nosrednaekim> amin81: ahh ha... I heard that problem before. now WHAT was the solution?
[05:16] <sfire> I heard that question just the other day... don't remember the solution
[05:16] <amin81> stdin: yes, i can ping google by name
[05:16] <nosrednaekim> sfire: me too... hmm.. amin81are you behind a proxy?
[05:16] <amin81> sfire: we tried to work on that a few days back
[05:16] <amin81> nosrednaekim: no, no proxy
[05:16] <stdin> amin81: try disabling  IPv6
[05:16] <stdin> !ip6
[05:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ip6 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:16] <stdin> !ipv6
[05:16] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[05:17] <nosrednaekim> amin81: how about using a different browser?
[05:17] <amin81> stdin: should it work then?
[05:17] <amin81> nosrednaekim: i have tried firefox, no success
[05:17] <stdin> amin81: we'll see ;)
[05:17] <amin81> nosrednaekim: i cannot get online with any programs
[05:17] <Jjaannuuss> I have a problem with my touchpad not being recognized properly, any one up for it?
[05:18] <amin81> Jjaannuuss: search for touchpad in add/remove programs
[05:18] <amin81> Jjaannuuss: install the file that appears (dont remember the name, but there is only one file)
[05:19] <amin81> stdin: what is ipv6?
[05:19] <Jjaannuuss> theres several files...
[05:20] <stdin> amin81: version 6 of the Internet Protocol
[05:20] <amin81> stdin: ok
[05:21] <amin81> Jjaannuuss: i only have one called application (settings)
[05:21] <amin81> Jjaannuuss: i have problems getting online with my comp with linux at the moment
[05:21] <Jjaannuuss> okay i'll do some more research
[05:21] <amin81> Jjaannuuss: i will let you know exactly what the filename is when and if i get online
[05:22] <amin81> Jjaannuuss: it is a file called touchpad configuration file or something
[05:22] <Jjaannuuss> to be able to run that file the touchpad must be recognized as a synaptics touchpad. mine is recognized as a generic mouse.
[05:22] <Jjaannuuss> :-(
[05:23] <amin81> Jjaannuuss: synaptics touchpad driver for x.Org server
[05:23] <dthacker> hi!  I want to customize my command line prompt.  I don't seem to have .bash_profile, and .bashrc says it's for non-interactive shells.  Where do I edit?
[05:24] <frojnd> How can I get back grub, if I first installed kubuntu and than windows ?
[05:24] <frojnd> I need simple tutorial
[05:24] <stdin> !grub
[05:24] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:25] <frojnd> I don't need a lot of reading
[05:25] <frojnd> direct link would do :)
[05:25] <stdin> the 1st link there ^
[05:25] <jriachi> how can i enter unidode symbols in kde applications? (e.g. i'd like to write the infinity symbol (U+221E)  typing Control+Shift+221E or something)
[05:26] <snikker> with postfix my mails are queued, but not sended to external, why?
[05:26] <stdin> dthacker: just create the ~/.bash_profile file
[05:27] <dthacker> stdin: Is that read after .bashrc?
[05:28] <chx> hi. I would like to start ktorrent in a way that it does not start seeding anything
[05:28] <Jjaannuuss> well dosn't work that way :-S
[05:28] <stdin> dthacker: not sure, "man bash" just says "The personal initialization file, executed for login shells". tho you can ask in #bash
[05:28] <amin81> stdin: do i need to restart after I have disabled the ipv6?
[05:28] <stdin> amin81: yes
[05:29] <amin81> stdin: ok
[05:29] <amin81> Jjaannuuss: hmmmm
[05:29] <amin81> Jjaannuuss: have you updated your feisty?
[05:33] <M_A_K> Anybody know of a free package I can install on my domain to create an online community similar to myspace or facebook?
[05:33] <amin81> stdin: have to connect the ethernet wire to linux machine
[05:33] <amin81> stdin: brb
[05:33] <sfire> how do you exit out of beryl ? is the only option a X restart?
[05:34] <Jucato> beryl-manager -> Select Window Manager -> KWin
[05:34] <nosrednaekim> sfire: you need to have beryl-manager installed
[05:34] <Jucato> or maybe just kill beryl-manager and start kwin
[05:35] <ignacio82> HI! I need help to make my tv card work. I have kubuntu 7.04
[05:35] <ignacio82> any one can help me?
[05:35] <nosrednaekim> ignacio82: wht tv card do you have?
[05:36] <nosrednaekim> how can you do beryl without beryl manager?
[05:36] <nosrednaekim> its like do hard
[05:36] <nosrednaekim> *so
[05:36] <ignacio82> i have a HP expresscard, came whit my laptop (Pavilion DV9207US)
[05:36] <nosrednaekim> ignacio82: search for it and linux on google
[05:37] <sfire> sweet... found it.. was hoping there was a easy way to turn it on and off... it seems to affect gameplay
[05:37] <ignacio82> i cant find the solotion at google (sorry for my english)
[05:38] <Biovore> ^ yeah berly and OpenGL games == suckage
[05:38] <ignacio82> :(
[05:38] <Biovore> I belive alxgl dosn't have that problem though.. but I havn't tried it..
[05:40] <stan> hey guys, I have just downloaded some Plugins fro the OpenDict and its in *.deb format. How do I install it?
[05:41] <amin81> stdin: it didnt work
[05:41] <sfire> stan: right click it and there is a install option
[05:41] <stan> sfire: ok, but where will it install it? I mean will the Opendict be able to use it?
[05:42] <stdin> amin81: do you have a filewall on your network?
[05:42] <amin81> stdin: no
[05:42] <stdin> hmm
[05:42] <sfire> stan: yep... it just does its own thing... normally .deb files just work flawless.. it puts it where it wants it
[05:43] <Biovore> stan: paths a fixed inside the deb file.. so if it works with this verion of ubuntu it should work.  (debian .deb packages ussualy work)
[05:43] <stan> ok, Ill do it now then, sfire, thanks a bunch!
[05:46] <amin81> stdin: what happened?
[05:47] <stan> sfire, Biovore, so if I want to uninstall the package I just have to right-click it again and pick Uninstall from the menu? Will that do the trick?
[05:48] <stdin> amin81: not sure, you can ping google by name and it replies but you can't connect to in in a browser?
[05:49] <amin81> stdin: yes, exactly
[05:50] <amin81> stdin: replies with 0% package lost
[05:50] <amin81> loss
[05:50] <amin81> stdin: cannot connect to any sites through the browser
[05:50] <stdin> that's very odd
[05:50] <amin81> stdin: yeah
[05:51] <chuen> Hi. I've just tried the Adept upgrade wizard to install feisty. This 'prepare' ok, then I get the error:
[05:51] <chuen> ailed to fetch http://www.getautomatix.com/apt/dists/kubuntu/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
[05:51] <chuen> Is there another, esay way of upgrading?
[05:52] <stdin> chuen: 1st DON'T use automatix
[05:52] <amin81> sfire: you dont remember how to fix the problem?
[05:52] <chuen> stdin: OK :)
[05:52] <chuen> stdin: Shall I uninstall it?
[05:52] <stdin> chuen: that would be a start
[05:52] <chuen> stdin: OK, hang on.
[05:53] <BluesKaj> Ok, got grub all setup and working ok , now i just need rights to Storage Media... any suggestions?
[05:53] <amin81> anyone else up for a big challenge? hehe
[05:54] <chuen> stdin: That's gone! Shall I try the upgrade again via adept?
[05:54] <stdin> chuen: yeah, try it again
[05:54] <chuen> stdin: OK thx ttyl
[05:55] <llp78> how can I find out how long kubuntu has been installed for ?
[05:55] <BluesKaj> what's the best mount point for the dvdwriter ?
[05:56] <stdin> BluesKaj: /media/cdrom0 (or cdrom1 if you have more than one)
[05:56] <livingdaylight> people: is this the best os in the universe?
[05:56] <livingdaylight> Does Kubuntu Rock?!
[05:56] <binks> i need my kernel src installed what package is this
[05:56] <BluesKaj> ok thx stdin
[05:56] <nosrednaekim> livingdaylight: in this channel it is!
[05:57] <chuen> stdin: Got the same error msg :(
[05:57] <amin81> somebody please help me, dont want to go back to using winblows
[05:57] <stdin> binks: why do you need the source?
[05:57] <livingdaylight> nosrednaekim: LOL.... no, in EVERY channel!
[05:57] <stdin> chuen: open up your sources.list and remove the automatix source
[05:57] <llp78> amin81: ask your question?
[05:57] <chuen> stdn: OK
[05:57] <amin81> llp78: i have been asking it for the past 10 mins...hehe
[05:57] <amin81> llp78: i cannot get online with my linux machine
[05:57] <chuen> stdn: which dir is it  in?
[05:58] <livingdaylight> i've just installed kubuntu for the first time on my lenovo R60e laptop on a 60gb hard drive with 1gb of Ram...
[05:58] <llp78> amin81: ok you using the live cd
[05:58] <binks> i need to install this   http://www.curious-contraptions.net/offsite/?url=https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/sascng/wiki/SascIndex
[05:58] <amin81> llp78: i am onilne with windows at the moment
[05:58] <stdin> chuen: press Alt+F2 and type in: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:58] <chuen> stdin: thx
[05:58] <llp78> amin81: can you explain to me what happens ? you using the live cd - wireless
[05:59] <amin81> llp78: i have deactivated the ipv6 without success
[05:59] <amin81> llp78: no, I am using the wire
[05:59] <livingdaylight> Guys: having just installed kubuntu for the first time on my laptop...please point me where i go from here to set my system up for ALL System GO!
[05:59] <binks> stdin: im installing this http://www.curious-contraptions.net/offsite/?url=https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/sascng/wiki/SascIndex
[05:59] <llp78> amin81: what type of connection do you have to the internet ?
[05:59] <livingdaylight> i want to spruce my system up so I am hot hot hot
[05:59] <livingdaylight> what is the next step after a fresh install like mine?
[06:00] <nosrednaekim> livingdaylight: play around... beryl maybe if you are really adventurous
[06:00] <binks> stdin: how do i create the link in the first code box
[06:00] <nosrednaekim> livingdaylight: this your first time on Linux?
[06:00] <amin81> llp78: no programs will allow me to get online...for example, firefox will keep on searching for sites but will not log on to them
[06:00] <chuen> stdin: so all from here: #AUTOMATIX REPOS START to END?
[06:00] <amin81> llp78: i am connecting directly to the internet with dhcp
[06:00] <stdin> binks: you really shouldn't need the source here, the headers should work fine
[06:00] <livingdaylight> nosrednaekim: yes
[06:00] <llp78> amin81: do you use msn ?
[06:00] <stdin> chuen: yeah
[06:00] <jriachi> how can i enter unidode symbols in kde applications? (e.g. i'd like to write the infinity symbol (U+221E)  typing Control+Shift+221E or something)
[06:00] <nosrednaekim> livingdaylight: and all your hardware is working perfectly?
[06:00] <chuen> stdin: kk
[06:01] <livingdaylight> nosrednaekim: i don't know if my integrated intel graphics card would support beryl... but surely there are other things of priority first like all my multimedia codecs etc?
[06:01] <stdin> chuen: anything that doesn't have "archive.ubuntu.com" in it
[06:01] <llp78> amin81: did DHCP give you a IP ?
[06:01] <nosrednaekim> livingdaylight: ahh right. what kind of codecs do you want?
[06:01] <amin81> llp78: yes
[06:01] <livingdaylight> nosrednaekim: it seems so... i boot into kubuntu and wireless is working so i am online chatting here in konversation... but next would be multimedia
[06:01] <nosrednaekim> I think there is a package called "ubuntu-restricted-extras"
[06:02] <livingdaylight> nosrednaekim: everything!
[06:02] <nosrednaekim> livingdaylight: oh.. you're lucky
[06:02] <llp78> amin81: from the shell - could you ping the gateway ?
[06:02] <livingdaylight> nosrednaekim: there is nothing i want to throw at my system and it won't play it
[06:02] <amin81> llp78: yes
[06:02] <livingdaylight> nosrednaekim: yes, i was worried about needing to fuss with wireless but it picked it up and configured it out of the box
[06:02] <amin81> llp78: hold on
[06:02] <nosrednaekim> !ubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:02] <ubotu> Ubuntu Restricted Extras is a new way of getting common "restricted" codecs, etc. See !RestrictedFormats
[06:02] <llp78> amin81: could you ping an outside domain ?
[06:02] <nosrednaekim> livingdaylight: just get that package... you know how to use adept?
[06:02] <BluesKaj> stdin, what's the cmnd for permission to access Storage Media ?
[06:03] <amin81> llp78: i just reinstalled feisty, now i did not get any ip
[06:03] <amin81> llp78: as in, the ip i have is not the correct one
[06:03] <livingdaylight> nosrednaekim: yes... the packagte is ubuntu restricted extras?
[06:03] <nosrednaekim> yeah.
[06:03] <stdin> BluesKaj: what do you mean?
[06:03] <livingdaylight> nosrednaekim: i have heard a obut repositories...do i need to set that up?
[06:03] <llp78> amin81: whats the output of ifconfig
[06:04] <nosrednaekim> livingdaylight: no, not for that package
[06:04] <nosrednaekim> livingdaylight:  but for dvd's you do.
[06:04] <nosrednaekim> !dvd
[06:04] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[06:04] <livingdaylight> nosrednaekim: ok, when i say multimedia i include to mean dvds and avi dvx etc
[06:04] <amin81> llp78: 10.11 something
[06:04] <llp78> amin81: if you add me to msn it would be much easier to help you
[06:05] <nosrednaekim> livingdaylight: right, well, you'll need to add the seveas repository for dvds
[06:05] <BluesKaj> stdin, when i try call up Storage Media in the System Menu ,"Unable to enter file:///media. You do not have access rights to this location."
[06:05] <amin81> llp78: ok, what is your address?
[06:05] <livingdaylight> nosrednaekim: could you set me up so that my repos are to the max, so i am Thunderbird All System Go!
[06:05] <llp78> amin81: piresl@vodafone.net
[06:05] <stdin> BluesKaj: hmm, that's not normal, try "sudo chmod 755 /media
[06:05] <amin81> llp78: why dont we go to another channel instead? i dont want to log on to MSN, will not be left alone there...hehehe
[06:06] <nosrednaekim> livingdaylight: no problem, follow the second link given to you by the bot message following
[06:06] <nosrednaekim> !dvd
[06:06] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[06:06] <amin81> come to channel #amin_and_llp78
[06:06] <llp78> amin81: ok choose a chan
[06:06] <livingdaylight> nosrednaekim: i need to follow seveas hack?
[06:06] <BluesKaj> thanks stdin , that worked
[06:06] <nosrednaekim> livingdaylight: yes, because the dvd codecs for linux are illegal in some countries
[06:07] <livingdaylight> nosrednaekim: ok
[06:07] <chuen> stdin: didn't work - but there's some more automatix references in sources.list
[06:08] <chuen> stdin: shall i say what they are?
[06:08] <stdin> chuen: remove all the ones that don't have "ubuntu.com" in them
[06:08] <chuen> stdin: ok
[06:13] <chuen> stdin Jeez - started working ok then got:
[06:13] <chuen> stdin :Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[06:13] <chuen> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[06:14] <stdin> chuen: that's probably because the server is being updated, wait a while then try again
[06:14] <chuen> stdin - Oh, is that  all? OK, thx!
[06:15] <jujimufu> I removed beryl, beryl-manager, emerald, emerald-themes and aquamarine with sudo apt-get remove, then I removed the 3v1 repos from my sources.list, I did sudo apt-get update, and then I did sudo apt-get install for all the previously mentioned packages. It said (in the end of the installation) that the version of beryl being install was 0.2 ("Setting up beryl (0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2)"), but when I do beryl --version, I get "beryl (0.3
[06:15] <jujimufu> .0". What do I have to do?
[06:16] <nosrednaekim> jujimufu: does beryl not work?
[06:17] <jujimufu> nosrednaekim: beryl 0.3 is problematic on mine. I don't get any window decorations, so I wanted to return to 0.2 which is the latest stable version
[06:18] <nosrednaekim> jujimufu: ah k. I don't know how to make it regress.
[06:18] <Biovore> jujimufu: make sure your running 24 bit graphics and have direct rendering enabled..
[06:19] <Biovore> xwininfo and click on the desktop
[06:20] <Jucato> "glxinfo | grep rendering" does that too
[06:20] <Biovore> ^ that for checked direct rendering..
[06:20] <Biovore> not desktop color depth
[06:20] <jujimufu> Biovore: beryl was running perfectly before upgrading to 0.3 . I just want to get back to the latest stable version and not the 3v1 version.
[06:20] <Biovore> how you upgrade?
[06:21] <Biovore> via apt?
[06:22] <necro__> is kubuntu = debian+kde
[06:22] <Biovore> basicly.. yes..
[06:22] <llutz> necro__: no, it's ubuntu  + KDE
[06:22] <necro__> what's ubuntu
[06:22] <Biovore> ubuntu basicly is debian..
[06:22] <necro__> debian+gnome?
[06:22] <Biovore> yup
[06:22] <llutz> Biovore: it's based on debian, but it isn't debian :)
[06:23] <necro__> so kubuntu is debian+gnome+kde?
[06:23] <Biovore> is extremely close..
[06:23] <Biovore> kubuntu is kde desktop..
[06:23] <Biovore> ubunutu is gnome desktop
[06:23] <Biovore> xubuntu is xfce4 desktop
[06:23] <necro__> im talking about pkgs they installed
[06:24] <Biovore> well yeah.. kubuntu installs all the kde stuff (and base gtk libs)
[06:24] <jujimufu> Biovore: I did upgrade through apt, yes.
[06:24] <Biovore> apt-get remove <package_name>
[06:24] <jujimufu> Biovore: please use my name before phrases that you want to direct to me so I can be notified about them
[06:24] <jujimufu> Biovore: I did that.
[06:24] <Biovore> then install the older version..
[06:25] <necro__> does kubuntu install gnome stuff too?
[06:25] <jujimufu> Biovore: then I removed the 3v1's repositories from my sources.list, did sudo apt-get update, then installed all the packages I removed, and although during the installation process it said "Setting up beryl (0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2" instead of version 0.3, and when I did beryl --version, I got "beryl (0.3)"
[06:26] <SlimeyPete> necro__: not by default, but once kubuntu is installed you can install Gnome apps (or even Gnome itself)
[06:26] <necro__> i don't want gnome stuff though
[06:26] <necro__> i only want kde
[06:26] <necro__> i'm against gnome
[06:26] <jujimufu> necro__: yeah, you can basically install anything on anything, as long as you have the required dependencies
[06:26] <necro__> im kde-prone
[06:26] <Biovore> jujimufu: you have some old berly files floating around..
[06:26] <SlimeyPete> well, kubuntu is for you, then.The default install includes no Gnome apps.
[06:26] <jujimufu> Biovore: any ideas on how to remove them?
[06:27] <jriachi> i currently have kde and gimp and the only gnome app :)
[06:27] <jujimufu> necro__: you shouldn't be "against". You should just be kde-prone... there's nothing good with "hating" or "being against" something, when you don't have to.
[06:27] <Grant> is there a way to manually remove a package? it keeps messing up apt-get
[06:27] <jujimufu> jriachi: me too.
[06:27] <necro__> ok
[06:27] <xcib> tbtroja: ey im here again i have the error in the notebook
[06:27] <necro__> so, does kubuntu have gnome things?
[06:27] <SlimeyPete> jujimufu: does this mean you're against being against stuff? ;)
[06:27] <Biovore> jujimufu: remove berly using apt then do a dpkg -purge <package_name>  then reinstall
[06:27] <SlimeyPete> necro__: no, not by default
[06:27] <necro__> ok good im getting it then
[06:27] <Dragnslcr> necro__- Gnome apps are in the repositories
[06:28] <necro__> so how is kubuntu better than debian+kde?
[06:28] <Dragnslcr> I believe Kubuntu uses the same repositories as Ubuntu
[06:28] <Jucato> Dragnslcr: your belief is correct
[06:28] <TheGateKeeper> join #sabayon
[06:28] <ubuntu__> hey, does anyone use hp laptop?
[06:28] <necro__> what's latest kubuntu version? what's kde version?
[06:28] <necro__> i use acer
[06:28] <TheGateKeeper> ooops
[06:28] <Dragnslcr> Latest Kubuntu is 7.04
[06:28] <Dragnslcr> It comes with KDE 3.5.6
[06:28] <Biovore> kde 3.5.6
[06:29] <Dragnslcr> KDE 3.5.7 is available in a separate repository
[06:29] <lupin428> k
[06:29] <necro__> so is there a way to um.. install kubuntu with 650MB cd?
[06:30] <Dragnslcr> Sure
[06:30] <Dragnslcr> Get the .iso, burn, install
[06:30] <necro__> will that iso fit on 650MB?
[06:30] <xcib> please show me the spanish channel
[06:30] <parsek> is it possible to install ubuntu from kubuntu?
[06:30] <Guilty_as_Sin> adept handles dependencies, correct?  I'm just not sure what happened to my kwin-baghira install..
[06:30] <Dragnslcr> !es
[06:30] <evans> Hello people of the world
[06:30] <Dragnslcr> necro__- yes, you can get a regular CD .iso
[06:31] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:31] <Jjaannuuss> i have problems with my touchpad not being recognized properly, rather it's being recognized as a generic mouse... anybody up for it?
[06:31] <xcib> Dragnslcr:  thanks.
[06:31] <Biovore> Guilty_as_Sin: it should.. but adding 3rd parity repos can break dependencies
[06:31] <necro__> where do i get such cd, Dragnslcr
[06:31] <Guilty_as_Sin> I see
[06:31] <Dragnslcr> parsek- I believe it's ubuntu-desktop
[06:31] <Dragnslcr> !download
[06:31] <ubotu> Kubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from here: http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[06:31] <grul> I can't believe it's not water!
[06:32] <necro__> install ubuntu from kubuntu, you just install kubuntu first, remove kde, and add gnome
[06:32] <parsek> or how can downgrade knetworkmanager?
[06:32] <Biovore> sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop  then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:32] <parsek> knetwork mnager is a mess
[06:33] <Jjaannuuss> i have problems with my touchpad not being recognized properly, rather it's being recognized as a generic mouse... anybody up for it?
[06:33] <Biovore> parsek: 0.1 is what is in the repos
[06:33] <Biovore> parsek: its a mess because its a suse thing..
[06:33] <necro__> shit
[06:33] <necro__> the kubuntu iso is 694MB it won't fit 650MB
[06:33] <parsek> Biovore: it was working when i first installed, now not working
[06:34] <ubuntu___> hola a todos
[06:34] <llutz> necro__: it will
[06:34] <necro__> how
[06:34] <Biovore> necro__: It works on a overburn ussualy.. depends on your cdrom drive..
[06:34] <parsek> Biovore: i am coming from suse actually
[06:34] <ubuntu___> hello people
[06:34] <necro__> can i make it smaller
[06:34] <necro__> or i make two cds
[06:34] <ubuntu___> so i new in ubuntu
[06:34] <necro__> for that
[06:34] <ubuntu___> i need help
[06:34] <Biovore> necro__: there is an alterniative install I think thats smaller
[06:34] <parsek> Biovore: ho can i use my wireless then with wpa?
[06:34] <necro__> where
[06:34] <llutz> necro__: just use overburn option to burn it, it should fit
[06:34] <necro__> can't find it
[06:35] <llp78> necro__: you need the 700mb cdr's
[06:35] <necro__> it's a RW cd, wont' fit
[06:35] <ubuntu___> i need xgl desktop
[06:35] <necro__> only 650MB
[06:35] <necro__> how is kubuntu better than debian with kde?
[06:35] <necro__> someone tellme
[06:36] <grul> how is it not?'
[06:36] <grul> people want simplicity, they get it
[06:36] <Jucato> !best
[06:36] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[06:36] <Jucato> applies to distros as well ^^^
[06:36] <Biovore> necro__: My opinion of using both for a long time is the ubuntu has some newer features.. debian is more stable but stale..
[06:36] <grul> of course not, but if you can install all of it it's a plus
[06:36] <ubuntu___> who i can download xgl
[06:36] <Guilty_as_Sin> great way of putting it
[06:36] <nahemoth> How do we divide the hard disk into different partitions? gparted couldn't help me or I don't know how to use
[06:36] <ubuntu__> i want to know about the hp recovery
[06:37] <Biovore> necro__: Other then that there both use basicly the systems for system configuration and operation..
[06:37] <ubuntu__> one key recovery
[06:37] <necro__> so i have to get a 700MB to install kubuntu?
[06:37] <Biovore> necro__: afraid so..
[06:38] <llp78> necro__: a 700mb cdr or download the dvd image and burn that
[06:38] <Dragnslcr> Do stores even sell 650 MB discs anymore?
[06:38] <Biovore> cdrw are 650 MB
[06:38] <Guilty_as_Sin> I have 700mb rw
[06:38] <Jucato> I have yet to find a 700mb cdrw :(
[06:38] <parsek> Biovore: can I use both ubuntu and kubuntu?
[06:38] <llutz> Biovore: there are 700MB rw aswell
[06:38] <llp78> Jucato: where are you from ?
[06:38] <Guilty_as_Sin> these are Sony but they are only 4x.. lol
[06:38] <Biovore> parsek: just install the other desk.. then you have both gnome and kde
[06:38] <Jucato> philippines....
[06:38] <parsek> ok
[06:39] <necro__> that sux
[06:39] <llp78> o
[06:39] <BluesKaj> most cdrws are 700mb now ...haven't seen any 650s for a while now
[06:39] <necro__> i want a netinstall tool for kubuntu
[06:39] <ubuntu__> the hp laptop only has two patitions, i wonder if i could re-partition the disk without affecting the one key recovery
[06:39] <llp78> i havent seen 650mb disks for ages
[06:39] <necro__> for installation of netbsd, i only need 80MB disk
[06:39] <Jucato> parsek: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/gnome <-- install GNOME/Ubuntu on Kubuntu
[06:39] <llutz> BluesKaj: have you fixed your grub?
[06:39] <jhutchins> necro__: The standard install pretty much is a netinstall.
[06:39] <necro__> but i need a smaller iso for installation
[06:39] <llutz> necro__: install debian, uses only 35MB
[06:39] <BluesKaj> llutz , yes thx :)
[06:39] <jhutchins> necro__: I think the big difference in ubuntu is the configuration that's done in the packages.
[06:39] <llutz> BluesKaj: was the reason the missing path in menu.lst?
[06:40] <parsek> Jucato: I am already started to install ubuntu desktop
[06:40] <BluesKaj> well, wrong kernel path and fstab was kinda "bombed"
[06:40] <necro__> so is there a smaller netinstall iso for kubuntu?
[06:40] <Jucato> !netinstall
[06:40] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[06:41] <Jucato> necro__: first link there ^^^^
[06:41] <necro__> i'm also cvs netbsd 4.0, another nice unix
[06:41] <necro__> but it's source based
[06:41] <hdominik> Hello world :)
[06:41] <Jjaannuuss> any one with good knowledge in laptop touchpads?
[06:41] <necro__> so i don't feel like compiling
[06:41] <necro__> so i come for kubuntu
[06:42] <Dr_willis> Jjaannuuss,  ya may want to ask about any problem you are having.. dont 'lead up' to it. :)
[06:42] <Jucato> !anyone | Jjaannuuss
[06:42] <ubotu> Jjaannuuss: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[06:43] <jitendra> Can anyone tell me what input device 169 is all about?
[06:43] <hdominik> This is not kubuntu related question, but could someone tell me how to disable directory browsing in apache 2 on kubuntu
[06:43] <Jucato> jitendra: BadDevice Errors?
[06:43] <Jjaannuuss> sure. my touchpad dosn't get properly recognized by kubuntu. it's recognized as a generic mouse and due to that scrolling and other nice featuers aint enabled
[06:43] <jitendra> yes
[06:43] <binks> can someone tell me what i need to install to pass the Pre-Requisites of this app https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/sascng/wiki/SascInstall
[06:44] <Jucato> jitendra: just ignore those. those are for the wacom entries in xorg.conf (for Tablet PC's). harmless
[06:44] <Dr_willis> Jjaannuuss,  and what is your touchpad? There is a ubuntu/kubuntu laptop forum .
[06:44] <Dr_willis> !baddevice
[06:44] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[06:44] <necro__> what's latest kde in debian etch
[06:44] <jitendra> jucato: thanks. i am relieved
[06:44] <Jjaannuuss> it's a alps touchpad.
[06:44] <llutz> necro__: 2.5.5
[06:45] <llutz> necro__: 3.5.5 sry
[06:45] <necro__> not even 3?
[06:45] <jhutchins> That's the thing about debian.
[06:45] <llutz> necro__: if you want debian and actual software you'll have to use sid
[06:45] <hdominik> how do I disable directory  browing in www.domain.com/~user/directory ???
[06:46] <necro__> so kubuntu is less stable than debian
[06:46] <Jack3> How do i make konversation auto rejoin?
[06:46] <llutz> necro__: but then you might run into trouble, you don't want to habe
[06:46] <llutz> have
[06:46] <Dragnslcr> hdominik- think it's the DirectoryIndex directive
[06:46] <r__> hola
[06:46] <Dr_willis> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/11/15/fixing-my-alps-touchpad-with-the-synaptics-driver/
[06:46] <jhutchins> hdominik: Read your apache docs and config file, look at the htaccess stuff.
[06:46] <Dragnslcr> necro__- Ubuntu has newer versions of software than Debian
[06:46] <llutz> necro__: why should it?
[06:46] <r__> como se hace un diskete de inicio para kubuntu?
[06:46] <necro__> because kubuntu has latest pkgs than debian
[06:47] <Dragnslcr> necro__- Debian is for servers that can't have downtime
[06:47] <hdominik> Dragnslcr: I was able to disable it on the main  i.e www.domain.com
[06:47] <necro__> i don't want downtime too
[06:47] <llutz> necro__: it's newer than etch, but not unstable
[06:47] <hdominik> Dragnslcr: but it not working in www.domain.com/~user/directory
[06:47] <necro__> it's sarge?
[06:47] <Dragnslcr> necro__- is this for a desktop computer?
[06:47] <parsek> is kubuntu based on unstable or testing?
[06:47] <llutz> necro__: etchs freeze was long before feisty freeze
[06:47] <jhutchins> necro__: You know, the way to tell what differences matter to you is to set up each distro and try it for a while.
[06:47] <necro__> yes
[06:47] <necro__> desktop
[06:48] <necro__> i've used debian before
[06:48] <Dragnslcr> necro__- then you can afford to reboot if something breaks
[06:48] <jhutchins> necro__: So try ubuntu.
[06:48] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu has been one of the most stable distros ive tried.
[06:48] <jhutchins> necro__: Then you'll know.
[06:48] <necro__> i upgraded it to unstable to get latest softare, and then it froze
[06:48] <Dr_willis> a few issues here and there - but not much.
[06:48] <necro__> but we are talking about kubuntu here
[06:48] <necro__> why you mention ubuntu
[06:48] <jhutchins> necro__: What part of unstable didn't you understand?
[06:48] <Dr_willis> kbuntu = kubuntu
[06:48] <Dr_willis> ubuntu=kubuntu for the core of the OS
[06:49] <jhutchins> kubuntu = ubuntu with kde desktop.
[06:49] <Dr_willis> only diff is kde vs gnome.
[06:49] <hasan> hi guys
[06:49] <hasan> i ve got a question
[06:49] <necro__> kde and gnome are very diff already
[06:49] <hasan> i know its wrong place to ask but
[06:49] <stAl> gubuntu = ubuntu with gnome
[06:49] <hasan> where can i dl gentoo dvd 2007
[06:49] <hasan> iso image
[06:49] <Live> hi im installing ubuntu, system is windows xp home at the moment, 80gb laptop, need some step by step help with partitions etc, anyone care to take time to help me? :)
[06:49] <Dr_willis> xubuntu = ubuntu + xfce-gnome
[06:49] <jhutchins> My best uptime here is my NT4 server - it only reboots for power outages or moving to a new rack.
[06:49] <Dr_willis> hasan,  try the gentoo web site?
[06:49] <parsek> necro__: is kubuntu based on unstable or testing?
[06:49] <jhutchins> No patches, no freezes, no problems.
[06:49] <hasan> ive tried but i cant find dvd iso
[06:50] <hasan> only cd
[06:50] <necro__> i think it's unstable
[06:50] <parsek> ok
[06:50] <Dr_willis> I thought ubuntu branched off the debian stuff. or does it go back and 'resync' every so often?
[06:50] <jhutchins> unstable vs testing is irrelevant to ubuntu.
[06:50] <Alarm> Live,  shoot
[06:50] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  thats what i was thinking.
[06:50] <Xfree_XGL> hello
[06:50] <hasan> yet another thing
[06:50] <hasan> i want to install mandriva too
[06:50] <hasan> dual boot
[06:50] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: No, it doesn't resync, and it's divergence is growing.
[06:50] <hasan> kubuntu is installed
[06:50] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  thats what i was thinking.. Just wanted it verified. :)
[06:50] <hasan> but when i try to create partitions
[06:51] <Guilty_as_Sin> there is a great interview on the linuxactionshow (#42)  with Mark Shuttlesworth that talks about that very thing
[06:51] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: It's up to debian developers to incorporate patches passed by the ubuntu developers, and they don't agree with all of them.
[06:51] <Dr_willis> hasan,  best way to do stuff like that is use vmware-server and have the other os's inside vmware sessions.
[06:51] <hasan> it says that / is alreayd created but this is kubuntu's root directory
[06:51] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: Soon it will be like RedHat and Mandriva - common roots but completely different outcomes.
[06:51] <Guilty_as_Sin> you may like it..  scan forward about 13 minutes in (when the interview beginsd)
[06:51] <hasan> so i ve cancelled
[06:51] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  yep. i recall having this discussion the other day with someone trying to 'downgrade' ubuntu to debian..   Told him that would be very hard to do at this time.. but he couldent understand why.
[06:51] <necro__> another best way to do is ubuntu as xen0 kernel and use mandriva as xenU guest kernel
[06:51] <hasan> is it not possible too create 2 / directory 2 different operatins system on same hard disk?
[06:52] <Dr_willis> hasan,  / is just a mount point.
[06:52] <Dragnslcr> hasan- you'd need two separate partitions
[06:52] <necro__> hasan, check out xen,
[06:52] <hasan> xen?
[06:52] <hasan> whats that ?
[06:52] <edgy> Hi, Is there a GUI to configure grub boot options?
[06:52] <Dr_willis> grab a 2nd hd. and let mandriva use it. would be an easy way.
[06:52] <jhutchins> hasan: Theoretically yes.
[06:52] <hasan> i try to install mandriva on toher partition
[06:52] <hasan> practically?
[06:52] <jhutchins> hasan: Just like you can have windows and linux.
[06:52] <hasan> is there anybody who has done it?
[06:52] <necro__> yes the virtual dual run of two operating ystem at the same time
[06:52] <Xfree_XGL> hello
[06:53] <hasan> yep that's what i want to do
[06:53] <grul> fan
[06:53] <hasan> nope i want to boot into two or more linux os
[06:53] <Xfree_XGL> hey every body i need help
[06:53] <necro__> with xen linux kernel you can run two OS at the same time,both share half of your cpu and memory
[06:53] <Dr_willis> i wonder how smart mandriva's installer is about seeing the allready installed linux installs.. ububntus installer is very smart in that area
[06:53] <jhutchins> hasan: Just make the / partition seperate.  You may be able to share a /home partition, you may not.
[06:53] <hasan> 40gb / 1.5gb swap then(kubuntu) and 40 gb formatted xf3
[06:54] <jhutchins> hasan: If you installed mandriva first, you'll need to use the alternate install disk for kubuntu.
[06:54] <hasan> i try to install mandriva on 40 gb left but i does not let me create antoher /
[06:54] <hasan> it says its created
[06:54] <Dr_willis> You need to manually make the partitiosn perhaps.
[06:54] <jhutchins> hasan: You're mixing up your terminology.
[06:54] <Xfree_XGL> Connected to 195.76.206.62.
[06:54] <Xfree_XGL>  220 WinGate V1.3 FTP Gateway ready, enter user@host[:port] 
[06:54] <hasan> i can create only home what if i says contunie with installation
[06:54] <necro__> forget it im going for debian
[06:54] <hasan> would it overwrite kubuntu?
[06:55] <jhutchins> hasan: No.
[06:55] <Dr_willis> sounds like the 'user friendly' feature is causing grief.
[06:55] <necro__> it has 160MB installation cd
[06:55] <necro__> i don't have 700MB cd now
[06:55] <jhutchins> hasan: This is properly a question for #mandriva, as you are asking about the mandriva installer.
[06:55] <necro__> apt-get install kde :)
[06:55] <hasan> ok
[06:55] <hasan> #join gentoo
[06:55] <parsek> necro__: are u planning to install debian on laptop or desktop?
[06:57] <sven_> hallo?!?
[06:57] <Xfree_XGL> so i need help
[06:57] <Xfree_XGL> any people can help me
[06:57] <Xfree_XGL> ?
[06:57] <necro__> parsek, both desktop and laptop
[06:58] <necro__> parsek, is there any difference?
[06:58] <Dr_willis> !ask
[06:58] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:04] <StErGi0s> ive installed phpmyadmin but when im trying to login with my uname and pass im using for my account i get this error
[07:04] <StErGi0s> #2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured)
[07:04] <StErGi0s> can anyone help?
[07:07] <luciolo> ciao a tutti
[07:08] <os2mac> !icons
[07:08] <ubotu> Want to see volume/trash icons on the desktop? Go to /apps/nautilus/desktop in gconf-editor (Gnome) or go to http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/tipsntrix.html#showtrash (KDE)
[07:08] <Rictoo> !grub
[07:08] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:08] <ubunturos> my firefox 2.0 is installed to /opt directory. I can run firefox but updates can only be performed when I do a sudo. How do I make firefox work to peform updates as a regular user ?
[07:10] <ubunturos> in other words, what files does firefox update (in its own directory) when an update is perfomed (for e.g. 2.0.0.3 to 2.0.0.4)
[07:14] <Rictoo> Me friend got into the 'grub' p[rogram, and when he does 'root' + TAB, nothing happens
[07:14] <grul> when you care, god kills a kitten
[07:15] <Minataku> ...
[07:15] <Minataku> Rictoo: I don't thik GRUB has tab completio
[07:15] <Minataku> n
[07:15] <Rictoo> it does
[07:15] <Rictoo> works for me :)
[07:16] <Minataku> Heh
[07:16] <Minataku> Never had to use it
[07:16] <Minataku> XD
[07:17] <klobster> Rictoo did he get any error at all?
[07:17] <hasan> what is the best torrent client for kubuntu
[07:17] <hasan> other than ktorrent
[07:18] <hasan> coz i cant make it work something prevents it from dl
[07:18] <klobster> hasan the best one is the one that works the best
[07:18] <hasan> thought ive port forwarded
[07:18] <hasan> so
[07:18] <hasan> suggestion any name
[07:18] <hasan> other than ktorrent
[07:18] <hasan> easy to use
[07:18] <diablo_> huhu
[07:21] <bkudria> how can i change the change step for the volume adjuseter?  ie, it only take like 6 presses of my keyboard's vol+ key to go from 0% to 100%.  how can i adjust that?
[07:23] <llutz> bkudria: press ctrl + vol-up/dwn
[07:26] <balaji> can any body suggest a IDE for c++ in kubuntu?
[07:26] <stdin> kdevelop ?
[07:26] <bkudria> llutz: hmm, that kinda works.  i can hold ctrl and press volume-down, and it'll work correctly, but holding ctrl and pressing volume-up only works once - i have to press and release ctrl each time.  any idea why?
[07:26] <bkudria> balaji: yep, kdevelop
[07:27] <jriachi> bkudria: same thing here
[07:27] <jriachi> :S
[07:30] <binks> can someone tell me what i need to install to pass the Pre-Requisites of this app https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/sascng/wiki/SascInstall
[07:30] <bkudria> jriachi: i'll file a bug, then
[07:31] <jeff_> Hi, all
[07:31] <Biovore> yaya
[07:32] <fdoving> bkudria: you might want to file that bug upstream, as in http://bugs.kde.org
[07:32] <jeff_> I'm having trouble with PHP and sqlite.  My box running apache is still Kubuntu Edgy and I have the PHP5-sqlite package installed but phpinfo() shows nothing about sqlite and I get errors about classes not existing when using any sqlite-related commands.
[07:33] <bkudria> fdoving: it's kde feature? - i didn't know that.  thanks, i'll do that
[07:33] <balaji> bkudria just a doubt is this just a editor iam not able to execute
[07:33] <Dragnslcr> jeff_- well, first thing is restart Apache
[07:33] <bkudria> balaji: huh?  can you rephrase that sentence?  did you install kdevelop?  or, if you need help using it, try #kdevelop
[07:34] <balaji> i have installed kdevelop
[07:34] <Dragnslcr> jeff_- check php.ini for all the extension= lines that you need (I believe it'll be something like php_sqlite.so and php_pdo.so)
[07:34] <grul> i.................... how do you fix an apache-installation?
[07:34] <grul> nevermind
[07:34] <jeff_> Dragnslcr: it looked like apache restarted but I'll do it again to make sure.  I also just caught a line in the PHP docs about extensions.
[07:34] <xcib> hi, how i can install the apt?
[07:34] <grul> i cant care to explain my problems properly
[07:35] <jeff_> Dragnslcr: Yep, you beat me to it.  I knew I should have looked a little more before coming here to whine.
[07:35] <jeff_> Dragnslcr: thanks.  I'll try that stuff.
[07:37] <chuen> stdin: Hi again. Are you *sure* this is due to server being busy:
[07:38] <chuen> stdin: Shit, I lost the paste from clipboard
[07:38] <stdin> chuen: that error normally means that the server is being updated, but not always
[07:38] <chuen> stdin: what else could it indicate?
[07:39] <stdin> chuen: nothing you have control over, you can always try a different mirror
[07:39] <chuen> Oh, OK.
[07:39] <stdin> chuen: just replace "security.ubuntu.com" with "archive.ubuntu.com"
[07:39] <chuen> stdin: Oh, OK
[07:40] <chuen> stdin: I'll try that.
[07:40] <jeff_> Dragnslcr: The extension was already in the php.ini.  A restart of apache seemed to do the trick -- odd, I could have sworn I saw it restart.  Thanks for helping.
[07:41] <Dragnslcr> jeff_- that's one of those things you learn after a while. It's amazing how many things can be fixed by restarting Apache
[07:42] <jeff_> Dragnslcr: Yeah, as this is my home machine and I do very little with Apache, I don't know the tricks.  I use IIS at work and it's pretty much the same thing.  Of course it is -- it's Microsoft.
[07:43] <Dragnslcr> Hehe
[07:44] <Dragnslcr> I thought of making the "restarting fixes everything" comparison to Windows, but I realized that would be a bad thing to say around here
[07:46] <livingdaylight> guys,,,, Q: do any of you know about aoss? in Ubuntu i remember installing something like alsa-aoss or aoss-alsa but when i do sudo apt-get install aoss-alsa it doesn't seem to exist.... what it does is enable me to have various media things going on without one taking over the system
[07:47] <jriachi> Dragnslcr: restarting forces configuration reload, but...
[07:49] <balaji> how to execute programs in kdevelop?
[07:49] <balaji> i want o execute a c++ pro
[07:49] <balaji> gram
[07:49] <balaji> pls help
[07:50] <jhutchins> !find aoss
[07:50] <ubotu> File aoss found in alsa-oss
[07:50] <jhutchins> !info also-oss
[07:50] <ubotu> Package also-oss does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:51] <jhutchins> !info alsa-oss
[07:51] <jhutchins> Supid fingers!
[07:51] <ubotu> alsa-oss: ALSA wrapper for OSS applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.12-1 (feisty), package size 50 kB, installed size 216 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 alpha amd64 arm armeb hppa m32r m68k mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 s390x sh3 sh3eb sh4 sh4eb sparc)
[07:51] <livingdaylight> jhutchins: so, how do i install it?
[07:51] <jhutchins> livingdaylight: Enable universe.
[07:51] <livingdaylight> jhutchins: think i have... tell me how again?
[07:52] <chuen> stdin: Can I pastebin my sources.list ?
[07:52] <jhutchins> livingdaylight: Well, I just edit the text in the sources list, make sure that universe is enabled for everything.
[07:52] <jhutchins> livingdaylight: Or you can use the GUI.
[07:53] <balaji> how to execute programs in kdevelop?
[07:53] <necro__> will kubuntu cd see my atheros wireless card?
[07:53] <stdin> chuen: ok, but I won't be able to look at it for 5 mins
[07:53] <jhutchins> !easysources
[07:53] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:53] <balaji> i want o execute c++ programs
[07:53] <chuen> stdin: No rush - I'll make some coffee :)
[07:53] <livingdaylight> jhutchins: thx... and then sudo apt-get install alsa-aoss?
[07:53] <stdin> necro__: feisty works with my atheros :)
[07:53] <fdoving> balaji: hit f8 or f9 or something.
[07:53] <jhutchins> livingdaylight: Yeah, should be.
[07:54] <livingdaylight> cheers
[07:54] <lolopop> anyone succesful runninf LVM?
[07:54] <jhutchins> balaji: If you have to ask that question, there are other things you need to know first.
[07:54] <balaji> like?
[07:54] <coreymon77> necro__: atheros is simple
[07:54] <chx> i have two machines and would like to transfer files between them
[07:54] <jhutchins> balaji: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware
[07:55] <chx> as simply as possible.
[07:55] <coreymon77> necro__: it will work out of the box
[07:55] <jhutchins> balaji: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[07:55] <coreymon77> necro__: if no just give me a shout, an ill get it working for you
[07:55] <chuen> srdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25867/
[07:55] <chuen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25867/
[07:56] <eagles0513875> gaim keeps crashing on me
[07:56] <necro__> so kubuntu itself is a live kde ?
[07:56] <eagles0513875> any ideas
[07:56] <coreymon77> necro__: what do you mean?
[07:56] <necro__> gaim is crash-prone
[07:56] <jhutchins> balaji: If you're not familiar with the command line, you would be best off to stick with pre-built packages and not try compiling your own yet.
[07:56] <coreymon77> necro__: kubuntu can be installed
[07:56] <necro__> i mean, i want to run kde without install it
[07:56] <necro__> i want to run kubuntu without install it, i've no space
[07:56] <coreymon77> necro__: you can use the livecd, theonly problem with that is any changes you make willn not be saved
[07:57] <balaji> no no iam writing just simple c++ programs
[07:57] <schizm> anyone know of a good mp3 tagger for linux that handles LYRICS3 2.0 tags?
[07:57] <schizm> i can't seem to find any
[07:57] <necro__> can iuse live cd to install kubuntu too?
[07:57] <balaji> i just want a software like turbo  c++ to execute them
[07:57] <coreymon77> necro__: yup
[07:57] <necro__> where do i get a live cd
[07:57] <coreymon77> necro__: hwo much hard rive space in total to you have on your comptuer
[07:57] <jhutchins> schizm: google id3 linux.
[07:57] <coreymon77> ?
[07:57] <schizm> jhutchins: I did :)
[07:57] <livingdaylight> cool.... do we have something awesome for kubuntu backgrounds like webilder?
[07:57] <necro__> turbo C++ and ansi C are different libs
[07:58] <schizm> jhutchins: lots of ID3 tools, none that do LYRICS3
[07:58] <schizm> adept shows none either
[07:58] <necro__> it might not work
[07:58] <jhutchins> schizm: Ah.
[07:58] <schizm> ive tried mp3info, easytag, kid, etc
[07:58] <jhutchins> schizm: Sorry, amarok might but I don't think so.
[07:58] <lolopop> anyone succesful runninf LVM?
[07:58] <schizm> amarok doesn't
[07:58] <coreymon77> necro__:  you can get a livecd image from www.kubuntu.com
[07:58] <coreymon77> necro__: how much total hard drive space do you have on your computer?
[07:59] <necro__> 60G
[07:59] <coreymon77> necro__: all in one drive?
[07:59] <balaji> i just want to execute simple c++ programs
[07:59] <necro__> i only have one drive
[07:59] <coreymon77> necro__: okay, is there any free space on that drive?
[08:00] <balaji> thats why iam looking for something like a IDE
[08:00] <deichgraf> moin
[08:00] <necro__> coreymon77, no
[08:00] <livingdaylight> i've installed flash yet konqueror is telling me that i need flash still?
[08:00] <balaji> in terminal always including the headers while executing is not a feasible option for me
[08:00] <coreymon77> necro__: your using windows right now correct?
[08:01] <Dragnslcr> balaji- if you just need to compile and run C++ programs, all you need is Konsole
[08:01] <livingdaylight> and... anyone know something sweeeet for the kubuntu backgrounds like webilder?
[08:01] <balaji> konsole?
[08:01] <Dragnslcr> balaji- gcc is most likely installed by default
[08:01] <david_> livingdaylight: are you running beryl?
[08:01] <necro__> coreymon77, yes
[08:01] <balaji> yeah i have installed that
[08:01] <livingdaylight> david_: no
[08:01] <david_> livingdaylight: which java package are you using
[08:01] <coreymon77> necro__: okay, so, on your hard drive, do you have room to install more programs or downlaod more files in widows?
[08:01] <david_> livingdaylight: FYI, java is really fickle and can sometimes be a huge PITA
[08:01] <necro__> yes coreymon77
[08:01] <livingdaylight> david_: i'm running kubuntu on lenovo R60e laptop
[08:01] <Jucato> Dragnslcr: on Kubuntu? no gcc isn't installed by default
[08:01] <Dragnslcr> balaji- KDevelop is for actually writing C++ programs. You don't need it to run them
[08:02] <david_> livingdaylight: no what java package did you install
[08:02] <livingdaylight> david_: java6
[08:02] <david_> try also installing the java 1.4 thing
[08:02] <david_> i'ts in the add/remove
[08:02] <balaji> can i run them there jus like borland c++?
[08:02] <livingdaylight> david_: sweet
[08:02] <coreymon77> necro__: well then you have free space left on that drive, all we have to do is partition it and you can install linux (assuming you want to keep windows and dual boot)
[08:02] <balaji> or is it just a editor?
[08:02] <jhutchins> schizm: mp3-renatager, helium2, tag, winamp.
[08:03] <david_> livingdaylight:  also, Sun Java6 Runtime
[08:03] <necro__> coreymon77, i'll need partition magic?
[08:03] <eagles0513875> after i log into one of my messenger accounts gaim randomly quits
[08:03] <eagles0513875> and i have already restarted my computer
[08:03] <livingdaylight> again... if someone has a nice suggestion for sweetening the kubuntu backgrounds... in gnome i used webilder before
[08:03] <jhutchins> balaji: Please read the links I sent you.
[08:03] <coreymon77> necro__: nope, kubuntu lvecd comes with a free version of partition magic that works jsut as well
[08:03] <balaji> yeah i read them
[08:03] <jhutchins> !info pidgin
[08:03] <ubotu> Package pidgin does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[08:03] <necro__> oh god
[08:03] <Dragnslcr> balaji- I don't use KDevelop, but I would imagine it can compile and run programs (most likely by just piping the code through gcc)
[08:03] <necro__> oh good
[08:03] <coreymon77> jhutchins: you have to get pidgin from www.getdeb.net
[08:04] <coreymon77> necro__: how much space do you have left on the dirve?
[08:04] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: Try kopete, gaim is unstable on kubuntu (or pretty much anything).
[08:04] <eagles0513875> its worked perfectly fine up until now
[08:04] <Dragnslcr> Gaim works fine for me
[08:04] <eagles0513875> should i purge it
[08:04] <necro__> c: 6G, d: 10G
[08:05] <Dragnslcr> I do look forward to Kopete implementing a couple more features/improvements though
[08:05] <jhutchins> Seems like somebody's missing the concept of "unstable".
[08:05] <yeniklasor> Can you suggest me a TV Tuner Application for watching TV?
[08:05] <eagles0513875> now damn adept crashed
[08:05] <jhutchins> pidgin's ok, but I don't think much of it's irc handling.
[08:05] <schizm> jhutchins: problem is, none of those handle bringing in lyrics3...there are programs that can READ it, altering or fetching automatically is a different matter unfortunately
[08:05] <david_> anyone here running beryl?
[08:05] <coreymon77> necro__: okay, that may be a little small, do you want to keep windows? or are you jsut gonna whipe it out?
[08:05] <schizm> lots of windows shareware programs that do it, but id prefer linux
[08:05] <Dragnslcr> I don't use Gaim for IRC anyway
[08:06] <coreymon77> necro__: and i thought yousaid you only had 1 drive, you jsut said two different ones
[08:06] <balaji> ok in konsole is it always gcc and the file name to be executed or for headers like math.h separete arguments have to be inputted?
[08:06] <jhutchins> schizm: Well, if winamp doesn't do it, it's not likely anything else does, since lyrics3 is a winamp extension.
[08:06] <coreymon77> necro__: or did you partition them?
[08:06] <schizm> no it's not
[08:06] <schizm> it's an id3 extension
[08:06] <jhutchins> balaji: PLEASE READ THE LINKS I SENT YOU.
[08:06] <schizm> standard
[08:06] <Dragnslcr> balaji- well, first you have to figure out if you're compiling code or running an executable
[08:06] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[08:06] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:06] <schizm> i haven't checked out helium yet...ill look at that oen
[08:06] <BluesKaj> yeniklasor, tvtime
[08:06] <necro__> coreymon77, i partitioned them
[08:06] <necro__> coreymon77, i want to dual boot really
[08:07] <Dragnslcr> balaji- if you're just running programs, you don't need gcc
[08:07] <schizm> TagRunner for windows does it nicely, but it's trial and expires after 25 songs...i may just end up getting it :/
[08:07] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[08:07] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:07] <coreymon77> necro__: okay, then could you get rid of a few of those shareware programs so that we have some mroe space to workwith
[08:07] <yeniklasor> BluesKaj : I cannot scan channel with tvtime
[08:07] <jhutchins> balaji: They will answer the questions you're asking, as well as others, and will suggest other things that you will need to read.
[08:08] <coreymon77> necro__: becuase you dont have enough right now
[08:08] <jhutchins> balaji: They are focused on building pre-packaged source software, but include basic info on compilling, linking, and building.
[08:08] <schizm> jhutchins: my situation is I have 900 ripped CDs, but some were done badly before I realized how to tag properly.  There are programs that will scan the collection and go get id3V2 and lyrics3.0 V2 tag info  and autopopulate...oh well, windows it is
[08:08] <necro__> is 6G enough?
[08:08] <BluesKaj> mythtv, yeniklasor , but it can take a while to setup
[08:08] <coreymon77> necro__: nope
[08:08] <eagles0513875> @)#$*7\
[08:08] <necro__> i just want a working kde
[08:09] <eagles0513875> i fuckin hate kopete
[08:09] <coreymon77> necro__: if you want to use it as a main operating system, i reccomend atleast 20-30
[08:09] <chuen> stdin: I have to go soon (not being imatent, just a fact) Are you in the UK?
[08:09] <jhutchins> schizm: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/gmusicbrowser-4204.shtml
[08:09] <coreymon77> necro__: didnt you just say that you could get rid of some of the shareware programs?
[08:10] <necro__> can i just run live cd, and save works on that 6 G?
[08:10] <coreymon77> eagles0513875: i use mercury
[08:10] <schizm> ya was looking at that already
[08:10] <eagles0513875> what is it
[08:10] <eagles0513875> !mercury
[08:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mercury - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:10] <schizm> and "Tag"
[08:10] <coreymon77> eagles0513875: its a msn client
[08:10] <balaji> i want to just develop some practice oriented programs and dont want to execute any applications provided by other developers
[08:10] <eagles0513875> i have msn yahoo and aim
[08:10] <necro__> coreymon77, can i just run livecd, and save works on that 6g?
[08:10] <BluesKaj> yeniklasor, kdetv , xawtv..there are some others but i can't recall all of them
[08:10] <eagles0513875> ~quiz
[08:10] <eagles0513875> !quiz
[08:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quiz - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:10] <coreymon77> necro__: maybe, but i would suggest that you free up some more space and just install it
[08:10] <yeniklasor> BluesKaj : OK thanks
[08:10] <schizm>  weird, gotta hand do it, no deb for it
[08:10] <balaji> compile any other 3rd party applications rather
[08:10] <coreymon77> necro__: whats the 10g partition for?
[08:11] <necro__> some big mp3
[08:11] <eagles0513875> im going to run fsck
[08:11] <necro__> trance
[08:11] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:11] <coreymon77> necro__: okay
[08:11] <coreymon77> are there any programs you can get rid of to free up more space?
[08:11] <necro__> and some porno
[08:12] <necro__> photoshop maybe
[08:12] <coreymon77> necro__: i didnt need to know that
[08:12] <necro__> i prefer to have it
[08:12] <coreymon77> necro__: didnt you say that you had a bunch of shareware programs?
[08:12] <necro__> no..
[08:12] <necro__> i have green software
[08:13] <coreymon77> necro__: well then whats taking up all the space?
[08:13] <necro__> almost all of software are green
[08:13] <necro__> let me check
[08:14] <necro__> i have 4 G of IT bookz
[08:14] <jhutchins> necro__: Ah, you're the one who posted all that copyright stuff yesterday.
[08:14] <coreymon77> necro__: anything you can get rid of?
[08:15] <coreymon77> jhutchins: im trying to get him to free up some space, i dont think 6 gigs is enough
[08:15] <jhutchins> necro__: You could archive those off to DVD or CD.
[08:15] <jhutchins> coreymon77: 6 is marginal but should work.
[08:15] <necro__> why can't i just run livecd , and save works on that 6
[08:15] <necro__> G
[08:15] <coreymon77> jhutchins: ya, anything that are not programs, you could jsut burn onto storage media, couldnt you? that would free up a lot of space
[08:16] <coreymon77> i mean
[08:16] <coreymon77> necro__: couldnt you put any of the mp3s or books on to cds or dvd
[08:16] <coreymon77> s
[08:16] <coreymon77> necro__: cause the livecd is not really the full os, its very stripped down
[08:17] <necro__> i'm going to delete some mp3s
[08:17] <coreymon77> necro__: dont you have any cds or dvds that you could burn
[08:18] <necro__> hey
[08:18] <necro__> debian guy said only 2G is needed for debian+kde
[08:18] <coreymon77> necro__: thats way too minimal
[08:18] <jhutchins> web page says 1.8 - 2.2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiskSpace?highlight=%28space%29%7C%28disk%29
[08:18] <coreymon77> necro__: you wont be able to install or save anything
[08:19] <jhutchins> Offers tips for saving space during install.
[08:19] <jhutchins> necro__: There's no reason not to try it from the live CD and decide if you want to install it.
[08:19] <jhutchins> necro__: 6g should be plenty
[08:20] <jhutchins> coreymon77: You might look at that page as well.
[08:21] <carlos_> Hi
[08:21] <coreymon77> jhutchins: i know, but taking off the 6 gigs would leave no space left for his windows partition, and if he wants to dual boot, i dont think it would work
[08:21] <necro__> i can take out from 10G
[08:21] <coreymon77> jhutchins: he wouldnt have much space to do things with, especially if its gonna be his main os
[08:21] <carlos_> is there a way to make kmail show only mail recieved in the last week?
[08:22] <jhutchins> coreymon77: He can store data on the windows partition, that way he has access from both OSs.
[08:22] <schizm> jhutchins: gmusicbrowser is a neat piece of software, won't auto update though alas.  helium for windows may be my best bet, thanks for the help
[08:22] <coreymon77> necro__: can you put any of the stuff on the 10gigs onto cds or dvds in order to have more space to take form that
[08:23] <steffen> i cant open a php file on my webserver. why?
[08:23] <jhutchins> schizm: The problem is that most lyrics archives are semi-pirate operations, and incorporating software that can access them means building greyware.
[08:23] <necro__> i'll just copy some files to c drive so c is full and i have more room in d
[08:23] <coreymon77> necro__: not too full though, leave some space on c that it can still operate
[08:23] <jhutchins> steffen: Possibly you haven't restarted it since installing php.
[08:24] <schizm> jhutchins: that's a very grey area :)  music companies are TRYING to make them copyright violations, but they aren't actually yet
[08:24] <schizm> meh, trying helium, we'll see
[08:24] <schizm> there's no lack of windows tools that do what I want, just wanted a linux one :)
[08:24] <jhutchins> schizm: Actuall, they are, it's just a matter of enforcement.
[08:25] <steffen> jhutchins: restarted it??
[08:26] <jhutchins> steffen: What happens when you try to open the file?  Allways more useful to know what IS happening than what isn't.
[08:26] <coreymon77> necro__: and remember, the cd image that you have to download of the livecd is close to 7oomb to leave enough space somewhere to download that
[08:27] <schizm> jhutchins: I respectifully disagree :)  no court precident shows that that i know of.  lots of howling by music companies and letters to take sites down, but nothing concrete has ever resulted from a prosecution that i know of
[08:27] <necro__> but why live cd only 700MB and it can run already, but i need more than 6G?
[08:27] <Corey8067> im having a problem.... i just install Kubuntu 7.04 and i can't connect to my windows Computers anymore through my network.. anyone know how to fix this
[08:27] <steffen> jhutchins: i get a message that asks if i want to download the file.
[08:27] <jhutchins> schizm: Copyright law says so.  The question is what constitutes fair use.
[08:27] <coreymon77> necro__: the livecd version is very minimal
[08:28] <jhutchins> steffen: Then your server doesn't have the handler/mime type set for it, which probably means that it hasn't read the php config files, probably because it needs to be restarted.
[08:29] <jhutchins> schizm: I know of a number of lyrics sites that have been shut down - this isn't a recent thing, it's been going on for years.
[08:29] <coreymon77> necro__: you do have a cd to burn the image onto right?
[08:29] <necro__> it's just 650MB
[08:29] <necro__> rw
[08:30] <coreymon77> necro__: dont use an rw
[08:30] <coreymon77> necro__: its pointless
[08:30] <coreymon77> oh
[08:30] <coreymon77> and btw, its 695
[08:30] <necro__> if possible, i'll just burn it, install it on this computer, and then reuse it
[08:31] <coreymon77> necro__: show me a cdrw that can hold 695 of data
[08:31] <llp78> coreymon77:http://www.superwarehouse.com/Memorex_700MB_CD-RW_10PK/32023408/p/65399
[08:32] <coreymon77> llp78: point proven
[08:32] <coreymon77> necro__: do you have any cdrws that can hold up to 700mb?
[08:32] <necro__> Corey8067, no
[08:32] <coreymon77> wrong person
[08:33] <necro__> coreymon77, no, only 74mins
[08:33] <necro__> can i overburn it
[08:33] <coreymon77> necro__: exactly, so seems like you will be using a cdr
[08:33] <necro__> it's a LG
[08:33] <coreymon77> necro__: makes more sense, use the cdr, keep it around, they are usefull recovery cds when needed
[08:34] <coreymon77> anyways
[08:34] <coreymon77> download the image
[08:34] <necro__> is 80Min biggest cdr ?
[08:34] <necro__> i can have?
[08:34] <llp78> necro__: 80 mins is what you need
[08:34] <necro__> also, what's alternative install iso for?
[08:34] <coreymon77> necro__: i dunno, just use a cdr that will fit it
[08:35] <coreymon77> necro__: there is no gui
[08:35] <coreymon77> necro__: its text
[08:35] <coreymon77> necro__: thats for people with very little ram
[08:35] <necro__> but also live cd?
[08:35] <coreymon77> necro__: nope
[08:35] <coreymon77> necro__: only the livecd is the livecd
[08:36] <coreymon77> necro__: the desktop cd
[08:36] <necro__> desktop cd is what i have,  i think i'll just burn it to cdr, and use that 8G out of 10G maybe
[08:36] <jhutchins> coreymon77: It's a text installer, it installs the GUI, and the GUI will run in less RAM than the standard installer requires.
[08:36] <coreymon77> jhutchins: oh
[08:36] <coreymon77> jhutchins: he wanted a live cd anyways
[08:37] <coreymon77> necro__: that would work
[08:37] <jhutchins> coreymon77: The alt cd also handles things like not reformatting the root partition and other options.
[08:37] <necro__> is 8G enough for kubuntu?
[08:37] <jhutchins> necro__: See the URL I sent you earlier.  It's plenty.
[08:37] <coreymon77> necro__: srue
[08:37] <necro__> which url?
[08:37] <coreymon77> necro__: the mnore space the better, but 8 should be fine
[08:38] <ubuntu> ?
[08:38] <zorglu_> how much disk is required by the default install ?
[08:38] <coreymon77> necro__: now, we are gonna have to do some partitioning well the livecd is booted
[08:39] <cnyzz> hehe
[08:39] <coreymon77> necro__: konversation is the default irc client thats included on the livecd
[08:39] <Corey8067> how can i make kubuntu install more packages... all the ones in Adept are installed
[08:39] <coreymon77> necro__: connect back to here on konversation once youve booted and ill tell you what to do
[08:39] <cnyzz> can not do that....
[08:39] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: What?
[08:39] <necro__> will my atheros network card work too?
[08:40] <necro__> AG5005
[08:40] <zorglu_> q. how much disk space take the default desktop install for feisty ?
[08:40] <coreymon77> Corey8067: you isntalled every single package in the entire ubuntu repositories?
[08:40] <necro__> wireless network card
[08:40] <coreymon77> necro__: simple
[08:40] <coreymon77> necro__: out of the box
[08:40] <cnyzz> mebe 1.5G
[08:40] <coreymon77> zorglu_: technically, you could do it with 2 gigs
[08:40] <jhutchins> zorglu_: web page says 1.8 - 2.2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiskSpace?highlight=%28space%29%7C%28disk%29
[08:40] <Corey8067> it was automaticaly done with the CD
[08:40] <cnyzz> mabe 1.5g
[08:40] <coreymon77> zorglu_: but the more space you have the better
[08:40] <coreymon77> Corey8067: every single package?
[08:40] <zorglu_> thanks
[08:40] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: something is wrong
[08:40] <zorglu_> jhutchins: ok looking :)
[08:41] <coreymon77> Corey8067: that cant be
[08:41] <Corey8067> in adept everything says installed
[08:41] <jhutchins> necro__: You know, in the time you've spent asking questions, you could have burned the CD, booted to it, and answered them for yourself.  Just sayin'.
[08:41] <coreymon77> necro__: however, there is one thing you will have to do
[08:41] <zorglu_> jhutchins: last edited 2005-10-08 23:28:56 by SteveMyers <- couch couch a little outdated page :)
[08:41] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: is there a search box ?
[08:41] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: at the top?
[08:41] <Corey8067> yes
[08:41] <MECU> anyone know a good site on how to install cinlerra?
[08:42] <cnyzz> my kubuntu run in *.fs, how can i make it bigger??
[08:42] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: is there anything in it?
[08:42] <coreymon77> necro__: there is one thing you will have to do to get it to work
[08:42] <Corey8067> no
[08:42] <jhutchins> zorglu_: So say ~3.
[08:42] <DaSkreech> !cinelerra
[08:42] <ubotu> cinelerra is a video editor and compositor. Install instructions can be found on http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu
[08:42] <necro__> what thing
[08:42] <necro__> if i don't get it to work i can't come back here
[08:42] <MECU> thanks
[08:42] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: ok there are some checkboxes under that
[08:42] <coreymon77> necro__: do you know your wireless essid and wep key (if you use one)
[08:42] <DaSkreech> 4 i think.
[08:42] <Corey8067> yes
[08:42] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: are they all checked?
[08:42] <zorglu_> MECU: be aware that any of my attempt to make it work failed badly
[08:42] <Corey8067> yes
[08:42] <zorglu_> jhutchins: ok
[08:42] <necro__> the what
[08:42] <DaSkreech> 0.o
[08:43] <necro__> essid is what
[08:43] <coreymon77> necro__: your network name
[08:43] <zorglu_> Corey8067: how much disk space do you have?
[08:43] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: at the very bottom there is a number of availabel packages
[08:43] <necro__> yah i know
[08:43] <coreymon77> necro__: such as linksys, dlink, home, your last name etc
[08:43] <cnyzz> 4G
[08:43] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: what does that number say?
[08:43] <Corey8067> 881 Available
[08:43] <necro__> yah i set it, how can i not know
[08:43] <coreymon77> necro__: does your network have a wep key or some other sort of encryption
[08:44] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: can you press fetch updates for me
[08:44] <zorglu_> DaSkreech: i bet a source.list issue
[08:44] <Corey8067> its on a 20 gig harddrive
[08:44] <DaSkreech> zorglu_: yeah I figg
[08:44] <coreymon77> Corey8067: thats impossible
[08:44] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: unlikely :)
[08:44] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: he could have only a cd in his sources.list
[08:44] <zorglu_> Corey8067: ubuntu has a LOT more package than that :) you just have some misconfiguration somewhere, likely in the sources.list
[08:45] <necro__> coreymon77, how do i check?
[08:45] <coreymon77> necro__: you said you set it up right?
[08:45] <necro__> btw, why people keep mentioning ubuntu? isn't ubuntu different from kubuntu??
[08:45] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: if he says that is what it is it's not impossible. :)
[08:45] <Corey8067> it cant.. there is no internet cause it wont connect to my network
[08:45] <livingdaylight> KUBUNTU is rocking my laptop!
[08:45] <DaSkreech> necro__: not by that much
[08:45] <coreymon77> necro__: nope, its the same os, kubutu just uses kde and ubutnu uses gnome
[08:45] <zorglu_> necro__: the difference is 'minor' just some preconfiguration during the installation
[08:45] <coreymon77> thats the onl ydifference
[08:45] <Biovore> necro__: there the same thing.. just a different graphical desktop..
[08:46] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: so you are not on the machine now?
[08:46] <necro__> so kubuntu does NOT have any gnome, correct? i have to make sure cuz i don't want gnome
[08:46] <livingdaylight> there are differences in setup...
[08:46] <Corey8067> i am on my wontows machine right now... the linux one is right behind me
[08:46] <necro__> but does kubuntu install gnome libs and thing?
[08:46] <coreymon77> necro__: you can get gnome programs through apt if you want to
[08:46] <coreymon77> necro__: but by default, no
[08:46] <livingdaylight> ubuntu and kubuntu come with different apps and ways of doing things which alter the overall experience, but it is the basic engine under the hood
[08:46] <necro__> i don't want gnome
[08:46] <necro__> i want kde, only
[08:46] <coreymon77> necro__: okay
[08:47] <zorglu_> necro__: pick another distribution. it will be hard/impossible to avoid all gnome stuff
[08:47] <livingdaylight> anyone know whether webilder works in kde?
[08:47] <coreymon77> necro__: you will prob end up using some gnome (or gtk) programs without knowing it anyways
[08:47] <necro__> why
[08:47] <necro__> i just keep using kde,it won't install gnome
[08:47] <livingdaylight> necro__: what you got against gnome?
[08:47] <coreymon77> necro__: because many thigns are gnome
[08:47] <Biovore> because alot of thing use gtk still
[08:47] <coreymon77> necro__: dont worry, you wont notice the difference
[08:47] <coreymon77> necro__: gtk is gnome
[08:47] <TheWoozle> Any clues on how to get Konqueror to start using KGet? I've completely rebooted after installing KGet, and KGet still does not show up in Konq's Tools menu.
[08:48] <coreymon77> necro__: so anything that uses gtk is a gnome program
[08:48] <zorglu_> necro__: with like 2-3month of install, you could learn how to do it with gentoo
[08:48] <Biovore> hehe
[08:48] <coreymon77> necro__: do you use firefox
[08:48] <coreymon77> ?
[08:48] <zorglu_> necro__: but it would require 2-3month for you to learn :)
[08:48] <necro__> yes i use firefox of course
[08:48] <coreymon77> necro__: well i got news for you
[08:48] <coreymon77> necro__: firefox is gtk
[08:48] <zorglu_> necro__: this is using gnome stuff
[08:49] <necro__> but i have to use firefox right
[08:49] <zorglu_> necro__: forget the silly war, install kubuntu and see if it fits your need
[08:49] <coreymon77> necro__: not neccesarily, you could use konqueror if you wanted (**hacks in disgust**)
[08:51] <coreymon77> necro__: dont worry, you will be using kde
[08:51] <Ayabara> how can I change the aspect ration with kaffeine? I can't find the setting....
[08:51] <coreymon77> necro__: but youll prob use a bunch of gtk apps
[08:51] <coreymon77> necro__: you wont ntice the difference though
[08:51] <coreymon77> necro__: anyways, back to the wireless
[08:51] <necro__> ok
[08:51] <coreymon77> necro__: when you set up your wireless network, did you set up anything called wep or wpa?
[08:51] <necro__> don't know
[08:51] <coreymon77> necro__: okay, then you probably didnt
[08:51] <necro__> i have password though
[08:52] <coreymon77> necro__: you do, you have a network password?
[08:52] <coreymon77> necro__: is that to get into your router settings?
[08:52] <necro__> i think so
[08:52] <coreymon77> okay
[08:52] <coreymon77> then thats not it
[08:52] <coreymon77> anyways
[08:52] <coreymon77> when you boot into the livecd
[08:52] <coreymon77> necro__: open up a terminal window and type this
[08:53] <coreymon77> sudo iwconfig ath0 essid [whatever you network name is] 
[08:53] <coreymon77> and then press enter, your internet should work then
[08:53] <coreymon77> then open up konversation, and give us a shout
[08:54] <necro__> what i fi need password
[08:54] <necro__> cuz in windows i do
[08:54] <coreymon77> what do you mean
[08:54] <necro__> is there gui to do it?
[08:54] <coreymon77> necro__: a password for what?
[08:54] <necro__> i mean i have password for network
[08:54] <coreymon77> necro__: is this to connect to the internet, or to go into your router settings
[08:55] <coreymon77> necro__: is the password used to connect to the internet, or to go into your router settings
[08:55] <necro__> router
[08:56] <coreymon77> necro__: well than you dont need it
[08:56] <necro__> ok
[08:56] <necro__> is there gui for it?
[08:56] <coreymon77> necro__: i show you later
[08:56] <coreymon77> necro__: the terminal way is faster
[08:56] <necro__> for sudo ...
[08:57] <coreymon77> what about it?
[08:57] <necro__> can i use gui?
[08:58] <coreymon77> necro__: nope
[08:58] <coreymon77> necro__: sudo is a terminal command
[08:58] <necro__> what's password for livecd?
[08:58] <coreymon77> dont worry, just type in the command i gave you, replacing what is in the square bracket with your network name
[08:58] <coreymon77> necro__: there is none
[08:58] <DaSkreech> Stupid Windows Vista
[08:59] <coreymon77> necro__: livecd has no password
[08:59] <DaSkreech> I swear it has a kernel update like every two days
[08:59] <DaSkreech> necro__: it doesn't need on
[08:59] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: sup?
[09:00] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, vista for work or... ?
[09:00] <necro__> ok thanks it's still dling iso
[09:00] <Corey8067> DaSkreech: Nothin
[09:00] <MECU> thanks for the cinlerra info, but I don't understand some of it: Make sure you have universe, multiverse and restricted repositories enabled, how do I do that?
[09:00] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: For home
[09:00] <necro__> thank you very much, coreymon77
[09:00] <sfire> !ipv6
[09:00] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: I had asked if the machine you are using now is the linux one?
[09:00] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[09:01] <Corey8067> DaSkreech:  no the linux one is right behind me
[09:01] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: why can't it get on the network?
[09:01] <Corey8067> it connects.. but no ICS
[09:02] <BluesKaj> I'v been suggesting to wifey that linux is so much leaner and less bloated , that it would run quite well on her old pc, but she 's happy with XP
[09:03] <TheWoozle> People are happier with frontal lobotomies too, I hear... ^_^
[09:03] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: ICS?
[09:03] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: what does she do?
[09:03] <Corey8067> Internet Connection Sharing (Windows)
[09:04] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: Hmm do you get an IP address?
[09:04] <Minataku> There's a proper standard for connection bridging
[09:04] <Minataku> Forget the number
[09:04] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech,  she plays solitaire, surfs a bit and emails :)
[09:04] <Corey8067> Yes.. its connected... but no internet sharing
[09:04] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Oh she's going to love the card games in KDE4 :)
[09:05] <BluesKaj> not a work pc , altho she does do some lists and things
[09:05] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: can you see the gateway?
[09:05] <TheWoozle> I think ICS uses a proxy, rather than true internet sharing (NAT).
[09:05] <Minataku> Yeah, it's some bullcrap method instead of the real method
[09:05] <Minataku> The kernel has support for it
[09:05] <BluesKaj> really eh DaSkreech...card games you say ?
[09:05] <Minataku> Linux kernel, that is
[09:06] <Minataku> Dunno if it's enabled by default in Kubuntu
[09:06] <Corey8067> DaSkreech: The gateway IP?
[09:06] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: Yes
[09:06] <necro__> what's default kubuntu mail server
[09:06] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Yeah I got the alpha 1 KDE4 and I spent most of time on the card games. really nice
[09:06] <Corey8067> DaSkreech:  Yes i can see it
[09:06] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[09:07] <necro__> is kde4 on kubuntu?
[09:07] <DaSkreech> !kde4
[09:07] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[09:07] <DaSkreech> necro__: sort of :)
[09:08] <Minataku> In other words... don't hold your breath
[09:08] <steffen> How to get a program to start when my computer start?
[09:08] <MECU> how do I edit a file that I need to be root to do so?
[09:08] <BluesKaj> cool DaSkreech..I see they are no longer using aRts... Minataku will be happy about that :)\
[09:08] <amin81> llp78 you there?
[09:08] <Minataku> I am
[09:09] <BluesKaj> hehe:)
[09:09] <Minataku> No more pissing about dealing with ARTS and the dumbass problems it constantly causes
[09:09] <DaSkreech> MECU: alt+F2 kdesu kate /path/to/file
[09:09] <MECU> thank you
[09:10] <DaSkreech> Minataku: what's the deal with ICS?
[09:10] <Minataku> Dunno, some lame Windows crap
[09:10] <DaSkreech> MECU: welcome
[09:10] <Minataku> Basically makes a really, really, really halfassed router out of a Windows PC
[09:12] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: mind me asking why you are using ICS?
[09:12] <BluesKaj> so is running KDE4 recommended , or is it too early in the game from a stability POV ?
[09:13] <Corey8067> DaSkreech: because i am on dialup, and there is no Modem on my linux System
[09:13] <MECU> how do I make sure I have "university, multiverse and restricted repoitories enabled"?
[09:14] <llp78> amin81: yea
[09:14] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: faaaar to early
[09:15] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: ah makes sense
[09:15] <livingdaylight> Guys...I've just installed Kubuntu on a lenovo R60e laptop and everything has been going swimmingly. BUT i've now just come up against teh first hitch...that is... i've connected my vga cable fromlaptop to external tv/monitor and it is not picking up. I'm looking at a black screen on external monitor... any ideas. comments, fixes???
[09:15] <DaSkreech> !universe | mecu
[09:15] <ubotu> mecu: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:15] <MECU> thanks again
[09:15] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: tried the Monitor button on the keyboard?
[09:15] <livingdaylight> ALSO: i've done sudo apt-get install realplay and its not there :S... any ideas?
[09:16] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: Hmm So you have a machine setup on dial up with a network card acting as the gateway for the other machines?
[09:16] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech: which one is that?
[09:16] <DaSkreech> !real | livingdaylight
[09:16] <ubotu> livingdaylight: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:16] <BluesKaj> right DaSkreech, I'll keep reading about kde4 then :)
[09:16] <Corey8067> DaSkreech: Yes
[09:16] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Oh it's delightful
[09:19] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: What is acting as DHCP ?
[09:19] <Corey8067> DaSkreech: thw Windows Computer
[09:20] <DaSkreech> and DNS as well?
[09:20] <ringo> ubuntu-ar
[09:24] <meisam> i tried to run the kubuntu for the first time i faced to an error
[09:26] <DaSkreech> 1AR
[09:26] <DaSkreech> !AR
[09:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:26] <DaSkreech> meisam: what error?
[09:26] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: Is it the DNS as well?
[09:26] <Corey8067> DaSkreech: Yes it is
[09:27] <llp78> the live cd will not boot on my  sony fx-705 laptop
[09:27] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: can you ping 194.9.77.5 ?
[09:27] <Corey8067> How do i do that on linux
[09:28] <llp78> can install kubuntu on sony fx-705 get flashing curosr to infinity
[09:28] <llp78> edit cant**
[09:29] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: open a konsole and type ping -c 4 194.9.77.5
[09:30] <DaSkreech> llp78: when?
[09:30] <Corey8067> 100% packet lokk
[09:30] <Corey8067> **loss
[09:30] <llp78> DaSkreech: ive just tried to run the live cd on me laptop and no go
[09:31] <llp78> DaSkreech: cannot even run the live cd on sony fx-705
[09:31] <DaSkreech> llp78: where does it stop very soon after starting?
[09:32] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: Corey8067 Hmm
[09:32] <llp78> DaSkreech: loads kernal - loads kubuntu splash - then flashing cursor in the top right corner of the screen
[09:32] <llp78> the flashing cursor continues till i have to power down the machine
[09:33] <MotorCityMadMan> if someone has time, is there a more business like address book for kmail ?
[09:33] <MECU> !cinelerra
[09:33] <ubotu> cinelerra is a video editor and compositor. Install instructions can be found on http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu
[09:34] <MECU> I don't need to restart or anything after installation, right?
[09:34] <llp78> DaSkreech: i have tested the live cd on the pc and works as expected - only on the laptop it will not even run
[09:34] <DaSkreech> MECU: no
[09:34] <DaSkreech> MotorCityMadMan: other than kaddressbook?
[09:35] <MotorCityMadMan> DaSkreech: yes
[09:35] <DaSkreech> llp78: are you just trying to get it installed or do you want to test some  things first?
[09:36] <DaSkreech> MotorCityMadMan: what would you like it to do?
[09:37] <llp78> DaSkreech: i am running kubuntu on pc perfect - i like kubuntu and want it on the laptop instead of windows - but the live cd/dvd does not even work on the laptop :(
[09:37] <rohan> how can i find out which .desktop file is causing a specific menu item to appear in my kde menu ?
[09:37] <DaSkreech> rohan: right click the k-menu and edit
[09:37] <MotorCityMadMan> DaSkreech: have a address book for company info in put. not so much geared for peoples names
[09:37] <coreymon77> rohan: just run kmenuedit and delete the program from there
[09:38] <DaSkreech> llp78: You could try the alternate Cd
[09:38] <rohan> DaSkreech: yes i could do that, but i want to delete the original .desktop file too
[09:38] <llp78> DaSkreech could you give me the link? if you'd be so kind
[09:38] <rohan> coreymon77: ^^
[09:38] <rohan> DaSkreech: that doesn't list the .desktop file
[09:38] <DaSkreech> rohan: it should tell you in there
[09:39] <rohan> DaSkreech: oh ..
[09:39] <DaSkreech> llp78: what version are you trying to isntall ?
[09:39] <coreymon77> rohan: if you delete it in kmenuedit, it will delete the actual .desktop file too
[09:39] <llp78> 7.04 i think
[09:39] <llp78> i know its 7 somthing
[09:39] <jasmin_> Hi is anybody from germany?
[09:39] <rohan> coreymon77: no, it will edit something in my ~ to hide the meny entry
[09:39] <rohan> DaSkreech: it opens up kmenuedit
[09:39] <llp78> DaSkreech the latest 7 something ?
[09:40] <goob> is there a way i can make my desktop icons smaller? i'm running feisty
[09:40] <DaSkreech> !de
[09:40] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:40] <DaSkreech> llp78: ok :-)
[09:41] <llp78> DaSkreech: i know the dvd is ok as its the same one i used to install on the pc - i had fedora 3 running on the laptop ages ago but only windows xp sinc3
[09:41] <jasmin_> boah kein Deutsche do dann verpiss ich mich tschss
[09:42] <DaSkreech> !de | jasmin_
[09:42] <ubotu> jasmin_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:42] <Minataku> The statement PLEASE RESUME exp has the same effect as FORGET, except that program control is returned to the statement immediately following the NEXT statement which stored in the stack the last entry to be removed.
[09:42] <Minataku> Haha
[09:42] <DaSkreech> llp78: Did you try safe graphics mode ?
[09:42] <llp78> DaSkreech: could it be only 256mb or ram causing the issue
[09:42] <jasmin_> was DaSkreech?
[09:43] <llp78> DaSkreech: no i havent - will try now though - got the laptop beside me
[09:43] <DaSkreech> llp78: that should be fine
[09:43] <DaSkreech> jasmin_: can you join #kubuntu-de ?
[09:44] <BluesKaj> llp78, here's a source for the alternate install cd that will run on older pcs: http://ftp.wayne.edu/linux_distributions/ubuntu/kubuntu/feisty/
[09:44] <llp78> BluesKaj: thanks for the link - just gonna try safe boot
[09:45] <BluesKaj> 256 ram should be enuff for the normal kubuntu install
[09:45] <llp78> BluesKaj: so i can rule out the ram issue - i was thinking it was not enough
[09:46] <llp78> trying now in safe graphics mode
[09:46] <dec_> does anyone know if you can use zenworks in ubuntu?
[09:46] <DaSkreech> !info zenworks
[09:46] <ubotu> Package zenworks does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:47] <dec_> can it be loaded in feisty?
[09:47] <BluesKaj> llp78, it may not be enuff for a full desktop as the text says
[09:47] <DaSkreech> Wha's zenworks?
[09:47] <dec_> zenworks is a desktop imaging application similar to ghosyt
[09:47] <dec_> ghost
[09:47] <llp78> BluesKaj: enough to run the live cd or as an installed os ?
[09:48] <DaSkreech> dec_: Windows ?
[09:48] <dec_> no
[09:48] <BluesKaj> as an installed OS
[09:48] <llp78> safe boot graphics does the same thing - flashing cursor
[09:48] <llp78> will not run the live cd
[09:48] <dec_> you have more leverage with zen for installing packages
[09:49] <DaSkreech> dec_: can you give me a URL?
[09:49] <dec_> novell
[09:49] <BluesKaj> gonna try the live CD on wifes pc ( when she's away) ..maybe monday :)
[09:49] <llp78> BluesKaj: laptop issue here
[09:49] <dec_> how about a program for accessing cellphones
[09:49] <BluesKaj> it's anold 366mhz HP with 256 Ram
[09:49] <DaSkreech> dec_: Hmm
[09:50] <dec_> preferably motorola
[09:50] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: KDE4 Live! ?
[09:50] <BluesKaj> ok llp78 , that puts a different light on things
[09:50] <DaSkreech> !find cellphone
[09:50] <dec_> how do you use "!" to find info
[09:50] <ubotu> Package/file cellphone does not exist in feisty
[09:50] <BluesKaj> no DaSkreech Festy live cd
[09:50] <llp78> BluesKaj: ah is the problem the AMD processor and i used the i386 install disk ?
[09:50] <BluesKaj> err feisty
[09:51] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: just to see how it feels?
[09:51] <DaSkreech> !search cellphone
[09:51] <ubotu> Found:
[09:51] <TheGateKeeper> will k9copy let you copy dvd to dvd like k3b does?
[09:51] <BluesKaj> no, llp78 , i'm using AMD64 with an X86 install
[09:51] <ina> Hello
[09:52] <Sanne> !ubotu | dec_
[09:52] <ubotu> dec_: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:52] <llp78> BluesKaj: i remeber in the old days it was one download for intel and another for AMD
[09:52] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: look  I have made a lot of progress I know use the key tab
[09:52] <Sanne> dec_: that's info about how to use the channel bot
[09:52] <ina> I have a problem and maybe some can help me. I have a question abaout patching wine
[09:52] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: Hey pal, another problem I wish to make my part to making better the linux community
[09:52] <BluesKaj> TheGateKeeper, actually k9copy will copy dvds that k3b wont
[09:53] <DaSkreech> rodrigo: Excellent :)
[09:53] <DaSkreech> MECU: have you got Cinelerra?
[09:53] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: it seens only wacom graphic tablets are the only ones who support linux drivers
[09:53] <varaonaid> hi, i'm trying to update some of my software and i'm getting the error:   W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/kde/stable/3.5.6/kubuntu/pool-edgy/kdeutils/klaptopdaemon_3.5.6-0ubuntu1~edgy1_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 193.1.193.64 80] 
[09:53] <sa> llp78: Hey it is amin81
[09:53] <BluesKaj> llp78, wow , that goes back before i discovered linux ... i think :)
[09:53] <varaonaid> are there any alternatives>
[09:53] <DaSkreech> rodrigo: ok
[09:53] <n8k99> rodrigo: i have an adesso worked straight away
[09:53] <sa> llp78: I got it finally working
[09:53] <Sanne> ina: just ask your question, maybe somebody knows and can help :)
[09:53] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: cool :-) because k3b 1.0 + on kde 3.5.7 blows up
[09:54] <rodrigo> n8k99 adesso?
[09:54] <llp78> sa cool - glad i could help
[09:54] <n8k99> adesso graphics tablet
[09:54] <rodrigo> is a graphic tablet?
[09:54] <DaSkreech> varaonaid: you can try packages.ubuntu.com
[09:54] <sa> llp78: thanks!
[09:54] <n8k99> yup about $100 cheaper than wacom too
[09:54] <rodrigo> m8k99:
[09:54] <llp78> sa: no worries - enjoy the freeware from the linux crew
[09:54] <rodrigo> m8k99: and wich drivers you use?
[09:55] <ina> Okay I have a little tutorial from this website http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=54933&pid=499049&st=25&#entry499049
[09:55] <n8k99> whatever is in the standard kernel
[09:55] <varaonaid> DaSkreech: ok, thanks.  will that have kde stuff in it?
[09:55] <sa> llp78: :)
[09:55] <firecrotch> I'm trying to get my printer set up in my new feisty install.  I have a Epson Stylus CX4600, and in my previous install of feisty, there was a driver for it
[09:55] <ina> Yes I am a total crazy foobar user
[09:56] <n8k99> rodrigo: there was no drivers to install- plugged it in and it worked
[09:56] <sa> llp78: by the way, i dont have dhcpcd
[09:56] <firecrotch> I don't see a driver for it now though.
[09:56] <DaSkreech> varaonaid: It better!
[09:56] <rodrigo> m8k99: I see a great price tablet here but Im afraid it doesn't work
[09:56] <sa> llp78: and i couldnt download it
[09:56] <varaonaid> DaSkreech: haha!  thanks so much, i'll try it now
[09:56] <sa> llp78: because of the internet
[09:56] <MECU> DaSkreech: I installed it with the adept manager but it doesn't start up, so I found a website that says that install package doesn't work anymore so I had to download it source and am trying to configure/install it now
[09:56] <llp78> sa: no worries what did you do - just bring etho down and back up again ?
[09:56] <sa> llp78: connection
[09:56] <n8k99> rodrigo: i have the adesson cybertablet 6400
[09:56] <ina> How do I implement a patch
[09:56] <rodrigo> mmm
[09:56] <n8k99> rodrigo: plugged teh usb connector in- and it worked immediately
[09:56] <DaSkreech> MECU: ok
[09:56] <DaSkreech> MECU: you have b-e installed ?
[09:56] <ina> I know what i must write but it doesn't seem to work
[09:56] <sa> llp78: no, i did a static setup
[09:57] <MECU> what's b-e?
[09:57] <rodrigo> m8k99: and does the preassure  sensibility works?
[09:57] <firecrotch> !printers
[09:57] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[09:57] <sa> llp78: but this time with adding broadcast and default gateway
[09:57] <sa> llp78: works all fine now...funny
[09:57] <llp78> sa: just like i said to begin with - im glad it worked - had no reason not too
[09:57] <sa> llp78: cool, thanx for your help
[09:57] <DaSkreech> !b-e | meecu
[09:57] <ubotu> meecu: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[09:57] <Sanne> ina: you didn't change to the wine folder
[09:57] <n8k99> rodrigo: no pressure sensors
[10:01] <llp78> sa: no worries, we are all in this chan for help
[10:01] <rodrigo> in your tablet?
[10:01] <n8k99> rodrigo: not under teh standard kernel
[10:01] <ina> I wrote in terminal /home/ina/wine-0.9.39/wine-0.9.39
[10:01] <ina> this where the source code was
[10:01] <ina> is
[10:01] <slow-motion> re
[10:01] <rodrigo> m8k99: that's weird, the gimp page says it support sensibility
[10:01] <Sanne> ina: to change the directory to that folder, you would need to do: cd /home/ina/wine-0.9.39/wine-0.9.39
[10:01] <n8k99> rodrigo: well maybe it dos, i haven't really tried
[10:01] <DaSkreech> Corey8067: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-networking/47591-windows-sharing-internet-connection-linux.html
[10:01] <rodrigo> m8k99:aaaaahhhhhhhh ok
[10:01] <ina> okay
[10:01] <Sanne> ina: now you are in this folder, make sure by typing pwd
[10:01] <rodrigo> m8k99: !!
[10:01] <ina> I will try this one moment please
[10:01] <relghers> please, i am new user, there is no french room chat ? help me !
[10:01] <n8k99> !fr
[10:01] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:01] <Sanne> ina: please type my name when replying so I get notified when you talk to me
[10:01] <relghers> thanks
[10:01] <firecrotch> !cups
[10:01] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[10:01] <DaSkreech> !tab | ina
[10:01] <ubotu> ina: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[10:01] <Corey8067> DaSkreech:  Thankx ill read that
[10:01] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: hey dask, I send an e-mail to the company who makes this great tablets but they doesn't have linux drivers so I was wondering you look like a very informed guy here, where is the normal method or the must practical one to ask to the linux comunity: hey guys we need this drivers
[10:01] <Sanne> thanks DaSkreech
[10:01] <DaSkreech> rodrigo: ask them directly. It helps to see if the community has already built drivers
[10:01] <firethrace> hi  al
[10:01] <goob> hi, using k3b, with PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-105 and TDK 4.7gb disc, but get message saying, No medium present. Can play dvds and burn cds... any ideas?
[10:02] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: wich page(forums) are the best ones?
[10:02] <ina> Sanne: I seems I am one step forward :)
[10:02] <rodrigo> hi fire
[10:02] <Sanne> ina: cool :) now you are in the wine folder?
[10:03] <sebastian> hi is the first time i use this OS and is amazing
[10:03] <DaSkreech> goob: You can ask in #kde as well
[10:03] <BluesKaj> goob, what kind of disk is it..what is the content ?
[10:03] <llp78> sebastian: why is it amazing ?
[10:03] <rodrigo> ok any one has program the lexmark all in one drivers for ubuntu?
[10:03] <Sanne> sebastian: it is indeed, welcome :)
[10:03] <DaSkreech> rodrigo: http://www.google.com/linux :)
[10:04] <rodrigo> wow
[10:04] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: wow dude!!!
[10:04] <DaSkreech> sebastian: It's a wine inspired OS
[10:04] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: the two titans of the software together!
[10:04] <sebastian> becouse is easy to use everything you can find and is frindly
[10:04] <DaSkreech> sebastian: gets much better the older it is and the more you savour it :)
[10:04] <goob> trying to burn a data dvd - to back up my digital pics - could burn cd - but have alot of pics
[10:05] <ina> Yes the rest of the instructions I have done
[10:05] <ina> oh sorry
[10:05] <Sanne> got you, ina :)
[10:05] <ina> Thanks
[10:05] <premier_> Hey, I'm staring at a locked screen on the kubuntu liveCD and I need the password... what do I do?
[10:05] <premier_> Whats the command to change the password on the command line?
[10:05] <Sanne> ina: you're welcome
[10:05] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: this is a legal page or hacker thing? in other worlds does linux and google has a realtion?
[10:05] <DaSkreech> sebastian: not everything
[10:06] <DaSkreech> sebastian: try pressing alt+space
[10:06] <llp78> premier_ chage pass on which user
[10:06] <frank__> hello
[10:06] <DaSkreech> premier_: your password ?
[10:06] <premier_> llp78: the liveCD user
[10:06] <DaSkreech> rodrigo: google IS linux
[10:06] <BluesKaj> goob try another dvd ...that one may be faulty ...it does happen
[10:06] <llp78> premier_ there is no password on the live cd
[10:06] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: !!!!!!!!
[10:06] <DaSkreech> premier_: why would you want to do that?
[10:06] <premier_> llp78: I can't get out of the locked screen without the password
[10:06] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: are you morpheus or something?
[10:06] <ina> Thanks now i am trying a little bit for myself how to compile.
[10:07] <premier_> so apperently there is one
[10:07] <ina> And then I will ask another questions if necessary
[10:07] <llp78> premier_: have you set a password
[10:07] <Sanne> ina: good luck :)
[10:07] <premier_> you know, when you start the screensaver
[10:07] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: I don't want to wake up with a big plug in my neck now
[10:07] <DaSkreech> rodrigo: biggest install of redhat linux in the world (as some reports say)
[10:07] <premier_> llp78: whats the command line to change the password
[10:07] <DaSkreech> rodrigo: Blue pill?
[10:08] <llp78> premier_ "passwd"
[10:08] <DaSkreech> premier_: passwd
[10:08] <rodrigo> wich one is the one of the real world?
[10:08] <DaSkreech> premier_: but it asks you for the current password which you don't have
[10:08] <sebastian> DaSkreech well i not have experience before but at first look good, i have to say i am Microsoft MCSE but i hate Microsoft soft i hope every body have this kind of options in the future
[10:08] <MECU> I'm running "./configure" and it says "cannot find install-sh or install.sh in "." "./.." "./../.."" but that doesn't seem to be something I can install? I did run configure once and it ran with some errors though
[10:09] <DaSkreech> sebastian: they have this kind of option right now
[10:09] <rathel> How do I unlock the mouse in Quake3?
[10:09] <DaSkreech> MECU: errors or warnings ?
[10:10] <DaSkreech> rathel: up up down down left right left right
[10:10] <MECU> "undefined macro"s errors
[10:10] <DaSkreech> rathel: what locked it?
[10:10] <MECU> that was from running autoconf
[10:11] <DaSkreech> MECU: is there a install.sh in the folder ?
[10:11] <livingdaylight> i've lost wireless on laptop :S
[10:11] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech, i lost you earlier
[10:11] <MECU> no
[10:12] <rathel> DaSkreech: Quake3 I run it windowed and I would like to tell a friend on Kopete to get on.. but I can't figure out how to unlock it.
[10:12] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: ah
[10:12] <livingdaylight> I installed kubuntu on desktop and it was working a charm earlier after install, detected and configured wireless, no problems... but i don't know what happedn, suddenly lost internet connexion qand i cant reconfigure my wireless
[10:12] <DaSkreech> MECU: Hmm did you read the README ?
[10:12] <goob> BluesKaj: have tried another one - no luck. trying another brand...
[10:12] <MECU> yup
[10:13] <litb> will kubuntu 7.10 be shipped with kde4.0?
[10:13] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech, eth1 is said to be enabled here, but no connexion
[10:13] <DaSkreech> rathel: ah. umm Alt+ctrl+Space I think. Something close to that
[10:13] <livingdaylight> Can anyone help diagnose /configure/fix my wireless connexion here?
[10:13] <DaSkreech> litb: With?
[10:13] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: IP address?
[10:14] <DaSkreech> !wireless
[10:14] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:14] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: are you a programmer?
[10:14] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech, i get an error : The default Gateway IP address is invalid
[10:15] <DaSkreech> rodrigo: sure why not? :)
[10:15] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech, i'm speaking to you from my Ubuntu box
[10:15] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: haha
[10:15] <rathel> DaSkreech: hmm.. Ctrl+Alt+Space didn't work for me.
[10:15] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: What is your gateway address ?
[10:15] <goob> BluesKaj: no luck with other brand..
[10:15] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: wich had being your contributions to linux?
[10:15] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech, sorry, don't know... how do i find out?
[10:15] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: people get credits for that?
[10:15] <litb> DaSkreech: ??
[10:15] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: I was hoping that you would know :)
[10:16] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: type route in a console
[10:16] <DaSkreech> rodrigo: yeah
[10:16] <litb> DaSkreech: what's wrong ?
[10:16] <DaSkreech> litb: what do you mean with ?
[10:16] <litb> with kde?
[10:16] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: what has being your contributions?
[10:16] <DaSkreech> litb: yes
[10:17] <DaSkreech> rodrigo: Some work on zope and kscreensavers
[10:17] <litb> i mean whether kde is going to be included in the next kubuntu
[10:17] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech, there is nothing under Gateway... under Genmask i got 255.255.0.0
[10:17] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: ok zope
[10:17] <litb> the 4.0 version
[10:17] <BluesKaj> goob are you choosing "new dvd data project" on k3b , not that it should matter ..cuz i haven't encountered that problem, so not sure what todo. :(
[10:17] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: let me see what is that
[10:17] <DaSkreech> litb: you can install it but it won't be on by default
[10:17] <troyer> has anyone have the location of the script that installs thunderbird 2.0?
[10:17] <troyer> i can't seem to find it
[10:17] <DaSkreech> !thunderbird
[10:17] <ubotu> a FOSS email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox, both by the Mozilla Foundation.  To make your thunderbird links open in firefox see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[10:18] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: well I do like the Pythons, always look on the bright side of life
[10:18] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: and zope is build in that
[10:18] <DaSkreech> rodrigo: yep
[10:20] <MECU> I run "./configure" and get some errors: [:24: ==: unexpected operator (same for 31) and ./configure: 47: Syntax error: Bad fd number
[10:20] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech, basically under Gateway i see two asterisks; one for link-local and one for default
[10:20] <rodrigo> DaSkreech:  building content management systems, intranets, portals, and custom applications
[10:20] <goob> BluesKaj: yes, New data dvd project. Comes up with Please insert an empty or appendable DVD_+RW
[10:20] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: that is wrong then
[10:20] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: do you have a router or a modem ?
[10:20] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech, yes, router
[10:21] <erichj> gateway is the ip of the router
[10:21] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: that's like data bases and office organizations isn't it?
[10:21] <erichj> most are 192.168.2.1
[10:21] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: sounds good but I stay with the art
[10:22] <rodrigo> DaSkreech:  maybe I letter give my sand grane with some graphic stuff
[10:22] <DaSkreech> rodrigo: please do :)
[10:22] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech, well i know the ip of router, it is 192.168.1.1
[10:23] <livingdaylight> erichj, thx that helped... coz i'm speaking from ubuntu box which is going via the router... it is 192.168.1.1
[10:23] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: ok type sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1
[10:23] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: dask and linux have legal support, I see there is a bit of controversy about pattents and stuff
[10:23] <rodrigo> obviosuly some people doesn't like this kind of compettion
[10:24] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech, ok, now?
[10:24] <rodrigo> if you know the "gates" i'm talking about, some wich doesn't like this "bills"
[10:24] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: see if you can see the net
[10:25] <daquino> does suspending the laptop mean it should come back up the same way it left off?
[10:25] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech, i did route again and 192.168.1.1 has been added
[10:25] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: try and see if the net works
[10:25] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech, do i need to do more configuring or are you suggesting i open konqueror for example
[10:25] <livingdaylight> ah.ok
[10:26] <daquino> i suspended my laptop and when i turned it back on it didn't have everything running like i left it
[10:26] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech, no
[10:26] <sebastian> how can i do for see mpg video in this OS ?
[10:26] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: blast :)
[10:27] <DaSkreech> sebastian: install libxine-extracodecs
[10:27] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech, :S
[10:27] <erichj> livingdaylight: are you using static ip's or allowing dchp to assign them?
[10:27] <livingdaylight> ^^
[10:27] <livingdaylight> erichj, allowing dchp to assign
[10:27] <BluesKaj> goob , will k3b burn other media ?
[10:28] <sebastian> DaSkreech with apt-get ?
[10:28] <erichj> livingdaylight: if you can access the admin interface for your router, check it's dchp table and see if the router is seeing your machine
[10:29] <livingdaylight> erichj, i can access it from my ubuntu box
[10:29] <DaSkreech> sebastian: yes
[10:29] <DaSkreech> !mp3 | sebastian
[10:29] <ubotu> sebastian: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:29] <sebastian> ok thx !!
[10:29] <livingdaylight> erichj, obviously it is seeing the ubuntu box... but it is the kubuntu on laptop that was working and stopped working for some reason(presumably)
[10:29] <klobster> how do I get the uuid of a part
[10:30] <erichj> livingdaylight: yeah i am wanting you to check to see if it is seeing the laptop
[10:30] <livingdaylight> erichj, how?
[10:30] <erichj> livingdaylight: if it is, there will be an entry with the laptop hostname, mac address and assigned ip in the dchp table
[10:30] <DaSkreech> !uuid
[10:30] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[10:31] <klobster> thanks zach
[10:31] <klobster> i mean DaScreech
[10:31] <klobster> ; )
[10:31] <livingdaylight> erichj, under the Mac tab? (i got a linksys router)
[10:31] <erichj> livingdaylight: looking for something called DCHP TAble or click on the DCHP option and see if it gives any information
[10:32] <erichj> livingdaylight: it might be in there
[10:32] <livingdaylight> erichj, there is just the option to enable or disable mac and it is set to disable
[10:32] <sebastian> oh another thing when i install the OS never setting my root acount just a user acount how i can do now for the have the root acount ?
[10:33] <erichj> livingdaylight: enable it
[10:33] <DaSkreech> sebastian: use sudo
[10:33] <DaSkreech> sebastian: it will ask you for a password. The password is the one you use to login
[10:33] <Sanne> !root | sebastian
[10:33] <ubotu> sebastian: do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[10:34] <DaSkreech> Well gnight everyone
[10:34] <erichj> night
[10:34] <DaSkreech> I'm going to lie down
[10:34] <navets> does anyone know if vmware-workstation supports direct X or if its able to run warcraft 3?
[10:34] <DaSkreech> navets: Wine can run War3
[10:35] <daquino> can my dam laptop go into a hibernation mode hwen i close the lid /
[10:35] <navets> DaSkreech, my opengl wont work properly and nobody seems to be able to help me fix it
[10:35] <DaSkreech> !opengl | navets
[10:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:35] <DaSkreech> navets: best place to ask is #ubuntu-effects
[10:36] <Ayabara> Hey. I just installed kubuntu-desktop and switched from gnome to kde. All my fonts are huge on my 1680*1050 display. Are the fonts meant to be big by default, or is it something weird in my setup?
[10:36] <DaSkreech> bye rodrigo
[10:37] <livingdaylight> erichj, when i enable mac filter i get two further options 1. to Prevent PCs listed from accessing the wireless 2.Permit only PCs listed to access the wireless network
[10:37] <cpk1> !nvidia
[10:37] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:38] <erichj> livingdaylight: permit only pc's listed access
[10:38] <erichj> livingdaylight: i am assuming here that the laptop will be using wifi?
[10:39] <Ayabara> anyone? are the default fonts on Kubuntu meant to be big?
[10:40] <coreymon77> Ayabara: nope
[10:41] <Ayabara> coreymon77, I have just restarted X, (not my computer) after installing kde, but that shouldn't have anything to say?
[10:41] <Ayabara> "Sans Serif 9" is chosen for most fonts
[10:42] <coreymon77> Ayabara: and the fonts are huge?
[10:42] <Ayabara> coreymon77, well.. not HUGE, but a lot bigger than I think they should be
[10:43] <coreymon77> Ayabara: then make em smaller
[10:43] <Ayabara> coreymon77, I will. I just wondered if there were ghosts in the machine :-)
[10:46] <ICM> So bascially (as I'm reading the commonquestions on the wiki) the only differences between the DVD and CD of kubuntu 7.04 is different installers?
[10:46] <coreymon77> ICM: kinda
[10:46] <ICM> ..and a difference in size of about 3710 MB
[10:46] <SlimeyPete> ICM: the dvd contains lots more packages, and thus is useful if you have no net connection
[10:46] <sebastian> the system cant find libxine-extracodecs , how i can find ?
[10:46] <ICM> Ah, in that case, I'll just go with the CD
[10:47] <coreymon77> ICM: the dvd contains the desktop (livecd) and alternate (text mdoe) installers all in one
[10:47] <ICM> Thanks
[10:47] <coreymon77> ICM: a cd doesnt have the space for that
[10:47] <coreymon77> ICM: so they split it into 2
[10:47] <CPrgmSwR2> how do I install flash player on kubuntu
[10:47] <ICM> Wait, there are two CDs?
[10:48] <ICM> (I'm looking at torrenting this, not getting it via HTTP because my connection *can* be flakey at times)
[10:48] <coreymon77> ICM: there are two cds
[10:48] <coreymon77> ICM: but you only need one of them
[10:49] <coreymon77> ICM: one cd is the livecd installer and the other one is the text mode installer for special and low ram systems
[10:49] <ICM> ah, okay
[10:50] <coreymon77> ICM: i would suggest the desktop cd unless you have a reason to use the alternate
[10:50] <ICM> kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso shall work then
[10:50] <coreymon77> yes
[10:50] <coreymon77> if you have an x86 comptuer
[10:50] <ICM> I do :)
[10:50] <coreymon77> and atleast 256 mb of ram
[10:51] <ICM> heh, that shouldn't be an issue
[10:51] <ICM> Basically I'm switching my server and my desktop
[10:52] <rodrigo> DaSkreech: hey daks are you still here?
[10:52] <ICM> I'm going to install Ubuntu Server on the 'new' server (I had Gentoo on my server)
[10:52] <rodrigo> want to join me with to the cinelerra channel
[10:52] <ICM> My new 'desktop' will be dual-boot with XP and Kubuntu
[10:52] <ICM> I just need to find some good ham radio logging programs
[10:52] <rodrigo> maybe you can understand better the help that are giving me there
[10:54] <rodrigo> daskreech want to join me with to the cinelerra channel, maybe you can understand better the help that are giving me there
[10:54] <BluesKaj> cinelerra is quite specialized rodrigo, that'w hy they have their own support chatroom
[10:55] <rodrigo> yep blueskaj, that's why I need the support of my linux buddy the all good and helpful, daskreech
[10:56] <BluesKaj> what's wrong with the help you are getting there ?
[10:56] <rodrigo> bkueskaj, nothing, he had help me a lot here
[10:56] <ina> Sanne: Seems I have made everything right. It is compiling now
[10:57] <rodrigo> good pal this daskreech guy
[10:57] <BluesKaj> yeah, he's everbody's pal :)
[10:57] <rodrigo> I own him a beer or somethign
[10:58] <BluesKaj> BBL ..time to do the BBQ thing
[10:58] <rodrigo> lol yep
[10:59] <sebastian> some body know how i can get the libxine-extracodecs ??
[11:00] <erichj> the missouri bar association uses the same router as me. but they are stupid and haven't secured it. and the network is active. i wonder if i should walk next door and tell them.
[11:00] <llp78> erichj you should chage
[11:00] <ina> Sebastian: Adeptmanager?
[11:01] <erichj> and they didn't change the default password for the router web admin
[11:01] <sebastian> yes
[11:01] <sebastian> ina yes
[11:01] <ina> What exactly is the problem?
[11:02] <ina> just type libxine in the serach window
[11:02] <sebastian> just i try to have the codes for can use mpg
[11:02] <sebastian> i have to download its but i dont know from were
[11:03] <ina> Sebastian: Have you installed the extracodecs?
[11:03] <sebastian> no
[11:03] <ina> Have you open the adeptmanager?
[11:04] <SlimeyPete> anyone know of a PAL tv tuner (USB or PCMCIA) which will work well with Kubuntu?
[11:04] <sebastian> yes
[11:04] <Sanne> ina: glad to hear it's compiling (was away making coffee, sorry)
[11:04] <ina> sebastian just type in the serahc window libxine
[11:04] <daquino> why is ruby installed but no gem ?
[11:04] <sebastian> ok i try
[11:04] <ina> Sanne: no problem
[11:05] <ina> daqino: Why do I get errors with beryl on feisty but it is working
[11:05] <ina> sebastian: what do you see
[11:06] <sebastian> ina well say is installed but i cant see videos in here
[11:07] <ina> Sebastian what for a player are you using
[11:07] <jhutchins> !mp3 | sebastian
[11:07] <ubotu> sebastian: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:07] <ina> Sebastian: Try libxine1-ffmpeg
[11:07] <ina> maybe this works
[11:07] <sebastian> ok let me see
[11:08] <evsophomore2009> Im trying to get the latest Flash Player for Konqueror and when i put it in the terminal, it asks for my browser
[11:08] <ina> Sebastian: Tell me more i there are results :)
[11:08] <evsophomore2009> and it cant find Konqueror, but it asks for Mozilla, Firefox, Seamonky
[11:09] <evsophomore2009> Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, SeaMonkey,
[11:09] <evsophomore2009> or Firefox browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): Konqueror
[11:09] <evsophomore2009> dir= /home/mike/Konqueror
[11:09] <evsophomore2009> WARNING: /home/mike/Konqueror is not a directory.
[11:09] <evsophomore2009> Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, SeaMonkey,
[11:09] <evsophomore2009> or Firefox browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla):
[11:09] <evsophomore2009> Can anyone Helo?>
[11:09] <evsophomore2009> *Help
[11:09] <daquino> this chat sucks
[11:10] <tof> anybody knows where konqueror stores the favorites?
[11:12] <Ayabara> you guys use the kde fonts for gtk applications as well?
[11:12] <BluesKaj> evsophomore2009, open adept or synaptic and type in flash, choose flashplayer-nonfree and flashplugin-nonfree to install
[11:13] <BluesKaj> evsophomore2009, then install them
[11:14] <sebastian> ina i need the codecs package i think so
[11:15] <tof> ok fyi I found them ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror
[11:16] <ina> Sebastian: waht have you installed?
[11:16] <livingdaylight> erichj, dude... i know you were trying to help but its not advisable to just randomly enable and disable things in a router... i lost all connection alltogether and have only sorted my ubuntu wirelss out now
[11:17] <sebastian> libxine 1c2 and libexinerame1
[11:17] <BluesKaj> !libdvdcss2
[11:17] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:18] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[11:18] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:18] <evsophomore2009> Blueskaj: it still dosent work
[11:18] <evsophomore2009> i downloaded it and installed it on Adept
[11:18] <BluesKaj> logout and back in
[11:18] <sebastian> ina libxine 1c2 and libexinerame1
[11:19] <BluesKaj> make sure you closed the browser first
[11:21] <ina> sebastian: You should install libxine-ffmpeg
[11:21] <edmar> any one from brazil!!!!????
[11:22] <jhutchins> edmar: Sometimes, you might try #kubuntu-br
[11:22] <sebastian> ina how ? :-)
[11:22] <jhutchins> !mp3 | sebastian
[11:22] <ubotu> sebastian: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:23] <edmar> thanks
[11:23] <sebastian> ok thx +
[11:25] <evsophomore2009> Blueskaj: Is there a way to enable it on Konqueror?
[11:27] <marko_> guys
[11:27] <nosrednaekim> evsophomore2009: could you restate it for me?I got here late.
[11:27] <marko_> why when i run firefox it's telling me that it's already running... but i can't find it in ps aux
[11:27] <evsophomore2009> Nosrednaekim: okay so i wanna be able to watch vids on myspace//Youtube
[11:28] <evsophomore2009> it says i need the latest Flash_9. so i downloaded it and installed it from Adept
[11:28] <nosrednaekim> marko_: yeah some file wasn't closed correctly, which locks firefox's state as open.
[11:28] <evsophomore2009> and it still isnt working
[11:28] <BluesKaj> konq settings /configure konq/plugins/scan for plugins/apply
[11:28] <marko_> nosrednaekim,  how do i fix it
[11:28] <nosrednaekim> marko_: wait about 10 minutes, or logout and log back in
[11:28] <SlimeyPete> evsophomore2009: did you install flash,or gnash?
[11:28] <marko_> nok_,
[11:28] <marko_> nosrednaekim,
[11:28] <marko_> I'm waiting
[11:29] <marko_> 6 hurs
[11:29] <marko_> xD
[11:29] <marko_> hours*
[11:29] <BluesKaj> bbl,BBQ is waiting
[11:29] <nosrednaekim> marko_: lol... log out and then back in
[11:29] <evsophomore2009> Flash
[11:30] <oooooops> i'm not sure if this is the right place or not, i've tried the forums and not gotten much (no) response.  dealing with wireless issue on Lenovo T42P - using (trying to use) ndiswrapper.  i can connect to my router which uses WPA-PSK and the connection will stay connected for about 5 minutes then no more connection.  the DHCP is about 12 hours so i don't think it's related.  anyone give any pointers?  as a side note it appears to
[11:30] <SlimeyPete> evsophomore2009: I suggest just downloading from the Adobe website
[11:30] <SlimeyPete> they provide installtion instructions. It's easy to install.
[11:31] <evsophomore2009> Slimeypete: i tried that also
[11:31] <evsophomore2009> and when i try to install it through the treminal, it asks for the browser
[11:31] <evsophomore2009> and it says Konqueor isnt found
[11:31] <SlimeyPete> oh right... I'm not sure what to do then. I don't use Konqueror.
[11:32] <SlimeyPete> I use Firefox or Opera, depending on my mood.
[11:32] <marko_> well
[11:32] <marko_> nosrednaekim,  it didn't worked:)
[11:32] <marko_> but i fixed it with
[11:32] <marko_> killall -9 firefox-bin
[11:33] <evsophomore2009> SlimeyPete: Firefox, Mozialla and Opera all shut down unexpectantly too much to even use
[11:33] <nosrednaekim> marko_: logging out and then back in?
[11:33] <evsophomore2009> so im stuck with Konqueror
[11:33] <marko_> nosrednaekim,  yes
[11:34] <jose> 
[11:34] <rodrigo> any one knows the package name who contains the  libx26 ?
[11:34] <BluesKaj> evsophomore2009, sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser...choose you r default browser , konq should be listed
[11:35] <rodrigo> libx264
[11:35] <nosrednaekim> marko_: hmmph. that has me stumped, try reinstalling firefox?
[11:36] <SlimeyPete> evsophomore2009: I did a quick google search and it looks like you might be able to tell the flash installer to install for Firefox, then point konqueror at the Firefox plugin somehow
[11:36] <SlimeyPete> not sure how, though
[11:36] <marko_> nosrednaekim,
[11:36] <marko_> i fixed
[11:36] <marko_> it
[11:36] <marko_> alreday
[11:36] <marko_> i told you i usef
[11:36] <marko_> killall -9 firefox-bin
[11:37] <nosrednaekim> marko_: oh ok... I didn't see that message..sorry
[11:38] <oooooops> any ndiswrapper/wpa  experts?
[11:38] <BluesKaj> marko_, don't use the enter key for emphasis pls
[11:41] <rodrigo> does any onw konow the package name who contains this libraries: libx264.so.54  ??
[11:42] <rathel> I use Hamachi.. How do I start 'tuncfg' everytime I start my computer?
[11:42] <ina> Does someone knows where I get a package for adding replaygain on Musepack?
[11:42] <Dragnslcr> rodrigo- x264-bin maybe?
[11:42] <evsophomore2009> sudSlimeyPete:
[11:42] <evsophomore2009> mike@mike-desktop:~$ sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-konq
[11:42] <evsophomore2009> Password:
[11:42] <evsophomore2009> No alternatives for x-www-konq.
[11:43] <BluesKaj> it's part of the xine pkg depenedencies , rodrigo
[11:44] <BluesKaj> evsophomore2009, that means your only browser available is konq ...try firefox
[11:45] <evsophomore2009> Blueskaj: Firefox dosent work on my computer
[11:45] <evsophomore2009> BLueskaj: it closes unexpectantly toooo many times
[11:47] <evsophomore2009> Blueskaj: brb im gonna re-start my pc
[11:48] <BluesKaj> hmm , sorry to hear that evsophomore2009 :(  , sounds like you have "codec issues"
[11:52] <evsophomore2009> Blueskaj: Nope still didnt work
[11:53] <ina> I have a replaygain package named replaygain and it says it is an executable file
[11:53] <hitmanWilly> ina, what's the extension?
[11:53] <hitmanWilly> ina, is this firefox telling you this?
[11:54] <BluesKaj> hmm , sorry to hear that evsophomore2009 :(  , sounds like you have "codec issues"
[11:54] <rathel> Speaking of Firefox, I wish mine was faster on certain sites. :(
[11:54] <ina> hitmanWilly I axtacted a package
[11:54] <ina> it says only replaygain
[11:54] <hitmanWilly> ina, did you try running it?
[11:55] <hitmanWilly> rathel, you may try swiftfox
[11:55] <ina> hitmanWilly:   I am not shure how to do that because I am a noob
[11:55] <binvij> Hi, how can i figure out the appropriate arguments for nvidia-config for  my geforce 6100 laptop
[11:55] <rathel> hitmanWilly: Swiftfox eh? Havn't heard that, I'm trying Fasterfox now.
[11:56] <hitmanWilly> rathel, its compiled to run faster on certain architectures
[11:56] <hitmanWilly> ina, where did you extract it?
[11:56] <darkrift> how do i make tray icons go back to the tray and not in a taskbar button?
[11:57] <evsophomore2009> Blueskaj: is there any other browsers other than Mozilla, Firefox, Konqueor, Seamonkey, Opera
[11:57] <darkrift> power mgr, kmix and knetworkmanager are all in teh taskbar instead of the tray
[11:57] <ina> hitmanWilly: on my homefolder
[11:57] <rathel> hitmanWilly: Downloading Swiftfox, about it try it. Thanks for the tip.
[11:58] <ina> hitmanWilly: /home/ina
[11:58] <hitmanWilly> ina, ok, open up a console and run ./replaygain
[11:58] <hitmanWilly> ina, the ./ tells it to look in the current dir, which should be your home folder by defualt
[11:59] <mvorotyagin> 1
[11:59] <BluesKaj> evsophomore2009, i think you are lookingin the wrong direction...perhaps you should check what media codecs are required at your fav websites and install them
[11:59] <BluesKaj> BBL
[12:00] <hitmanWilly> ina, if it gives you permission issues, try with sudo
[12:00] <Minataku> Too much going on to go off topic
[12:00] <Minataku> lol
[12:01] <Minataku> <.<
[12:01] <Minataku> Or not
[12:02] <evsophomore2009> how do i install Seamonkey
[12:02] <evsophomore2009> ?
[12:02] <Minataku> !info seamonkey
[12:02] <ubotu> Package seamonkey does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:02] <evsophomore2009> when i try "sudo apt-get install seamonkey" it dosent work
[12:02] <ina> hitmanWilly: it says no such a file or directory
[12:02] <Minataku> Yeah, evsophomore2009, because it doesn't exist
[12:02] <coreymon77> !info mozilla-seamonkey
[12:02] <evsophomore2009> E: Couldn't find package seamonkey
[12:02] <ubotu> Package mozilla-seamonkey does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:02] <coreymon77> its not in the repos
[12:03] <Minataku> Isn't that just the browser part of Mozilla?
[12:03] <coreymon77> no
[12:03] <coreymon77> thats firefox
[12:03] <evsophomore2009> Mozilla, and Firefox dont work
[12:03] <Minataku> No, coreymon77
[12:03] <evsophomore2009> they close much too often
[12:03] <Minataku> Firefox is a completely different thing
[12:03] <Minataku> Mozilla is an app suite
[12:03] <Minataku> Firefox is a separate browser
[12:04] <Minataku> Seamonkey is ???
[12:04] <Minataku> What a dumb name choice
[12:04] <Minataku> But that
[12:04] <Minataku> s beside the point
[12:04] <rathel> hitmanWilly: Swiftfox didn't help. lol
[12:04] <Minataku> s/\n/'/
[12:06] <ina> hitmanWilly: now I can see something
[12:06] <coreymon77> evsophomore2009: the package for firefox is mozilla-firefox
[12:06] <coreymon77> evsophomore2009: not just firefox
[12:06] <Minataku> Strangely enough, it's the same in Gentoo
[12:06] <Minataku> "mozilla-firefox"
[12:06] <hitmanWilly> back in a minute
[12:06] <coreymon77> evsophomore2009: to get firefox is apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[12:06] <Minataku> Pain in the ass, really, but whatever
[12:07] <evsophomore2009> Coreymon77: i dont want Mozilla-Firefox
[12:07] <evsophomore2009> Mozilla & Firefox both close every 5 secs for no reason
[12:08] <Minataku> evsophomore2009: Launch it from Konsole
[12:08] <Minataku> Let's find out why
[12:08] <Minataku> Chances are if both of them are crashing, Seamonkey is gonna be the same
[12:08] <Minataku> (Man, that's a stupid name)
[12:09] <evsophomore2009> Minataku: okay its open
[12:09] <Minataku> evsophomore2009: Now do whatever until it crashes
[12:09] <coreymon77> evsophomore2009: chances are that if they are both crashing, that something is the matter
[12:11] <ina> I am leaving. Bye thanks for helping :)