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wasabiman everytime i upgrade gnome-power-manager leaves teh systray and opens it's own window thing... cuz the gnome-panel recycles01:46
wasabiwith seemingly no way to put it back01:46
wasabioh, seems like killing and starting it again solves that. Wonder if there's an appropiate way for it to do that on it's own.01:47
wasabiAlong similar lines. I wonder what a good policy for that stuff is. Should bugs be filed if applications break while upgraded wen running?01:51
alex-weej_are there any moderately featured vanilla kernel distributions? i need to test a few sound driver bugs01:51
alex-weej_wasabi: isn't that an EggTrayIcon bug?01:51
wasabiGot me, most other apps seem to handle it find now.01:52
alex-weej_I know that Gossip used to do it at least01:52
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crimsunalex-weej_: you have a card driven by snd-ice17*, correct?01:57
alex-weej_crimsun: yes, that's me01:58
crimsunalex-weej_: with static?01:58
crimsunor other audio artifacts?01:58
alex-weej_well, sounds like static01:58
crimsunusing dmix?01:58
crimsunfeisty or gutsy?01:58
alex-weej_feisty, haven't dared test gutsy outside of VM yet01:58
crimsunare you using an asoundrc?01:59
alex-weej_not a custom one01:59
alex-weej_i suppose i am, i use asoundconf --set-default-card01:59
alex-weej_but even if i use the "hw:0,0" pcm directly, it happens01:59
crimsunedit ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf, scroll down to defaults.pcm.dmix.format, and change S16_LE to S32_LE02:00
alex-weej_e.g. aplay -d hw:0,002:00
pygiaround' people supposed to be sleeping :P02:00
alex-weej_crimsun: it's actually S16 atm, not S16_LE02:00
alex-weej_also the card output is 24 bit...02:01
alex-weej_still want me to change it to S32_LE?02:01
cjwatsonalex-weej_: gutsy is pretty nearly vanilla kernel ...02:01
cjwatson(aside from additional modules)02:01
alex-weej_cjwatson: it's not good enough for kernel devs02:01
crimsunalex-weej_: yes02:01
cjwatsonalex-weej_: well, this is what Ben tells me02:01
cjwatsonfeisty was a bit less vanilla02:02
alex-weej_crimsun: ok let me try this now02:02
crimsunalso, be sure to disable any sort of pci timing optimisation junk in bios02:02
alex-weej_crimsun: i have absolutely no idea02:02
alex-weej_crimsun: i'm playing back some stuff now with "aplay", unfortunately the whole issue is very temperamental so i'll just have to keep my ears open02:03
crimsunif with dmix it's still reproducible (that is, with that asoundrc fix and `aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav`), then see the position_fix parameter to snd-hda-intel.02:03
alex-weej_see the what what?02:03
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crimsunlikely you'll need either position_fix=2 or position_fix=302:03
crimsunalex-weej_: modinfo snd-hda-intel|grep ^parm02:03
crimsunerr, sorry, wrong issue02:04
crimsunabout position_fix, that is02:04
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crimsunsorry, I'm debugging a similar issue in another IRC channel and got fumble fingers02:04
alex-weej_crimsun: tbh i don't even know how this is playing - the card doesn't support 32 bit sample formats02:04
crimsunthe upper 8 bits are not relevant02:05
crimsunit's really 24, but you need S32_LE for ice17xx02:05
alex-weej_hm, you know what i really can't tell if it's fixing the problem02:05
alex-weej_i'm trying "hw:1,0"02:05
crimsunhw:0 I'm not concerned about; plughw:0 and plug:dmix I am02:06
alex-weej_(the card is hw:1, btw)02:06
crimsunanyhow, to cut the clutter here, please report in said bug report, and I'll take a look tonight when I get into the hotel02:06
crimsun(substitute the card index as appropriate, of course)02:06
alex-weej_crimsun: well ok thanks but i can't promise i'll have anything to report - it's just not happening atm02:06
alex-weej_sometimes it'll happen for like 10 minutes02:06
alex-weej_gutsy goes fing mental when i reboot it in virtualbox :E02:07
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alex-weej_what's with the 11pt default font size these days as well? Windows users think we're short-sighted enough as it is for settling on 10pt before...02:15
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luisbgIs intel doing such a great supporting drivers for linux work to be the first in the linux friendly hardware vendors list?03:26
luisbgI think it's awesome their integrated cards are very well supported =)03:27
luisbgthat wiki page is going to help people choose their next machines, and that will force vendors to be more free-friendly03:28
luisbgare the intel drivers GPL?03:28
alex-weej_crimsun: ping03:28
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Toxicity999Unfortunately so far intel isn't a huge graphics contender yet. But it works nicely for lihht 3D, the newer setups can be good though.03:40
Toxicity999I wonder how large that list will grow.03:41
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luisbgToxicity999, yeah... having only gpl drivers is very strict but good04:06
luisbgToxicity999, it even looks like intel drivers aren't all gpl, http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/license.html, only the agp drm modules, the rest is mit04:07
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mjg59luisbg: MIT is even more liberal than GPL. You can incorporate MIT stuff into GPL code.04:08
luisbgmjg59, :S oops, sorry for that 04:08
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mjg59You can incorporate MIT stuff into closed-source products04:09
mjg59It's basically a "Do anything you want with this code" license04:09
spidera program to lower music please??04:11
spiderbecause I have the limewire but I don't found my music :-D04:14
luisbgmjg59, so it's even free in merging, that's awesome04:15
luisbgintel graphics for the win! (I'm so tempted in buying a macbook right now LOL)04:15
luisbgspider, lower?04:15
wasabiToo bad half of the other stuff on the MacBook doesn't work.04:15
bhaleif you try really hard you can trick dell into selling you a d620 with all intel gear04:16
alex-weej_fgs, i have a single python script that i want to package up into a .deb and it's ridiculously complicated :(04:16
spiderluisbg yes or down 04:17
luisbgwasabi, like what?04:17
luisbgspider, have you tried nicotine?04:17
alex-weej_what's the difference between MIT and BSD?04:17
wasabipower management is pretty screwed.04:17
wasabiSound too I think04:17
spiderno luisbg 04:17
luisbgwasabi, hmmmm suspend works, but yeah.. battery lasts half as in the other OS04:18
luisbgspider, you should04:18
spiderI go to see luisbg 04:18
spiderthanks 04:18
wasabiSuspend works today, but might not tomorrow. That's my experience.04:18
luisbgspider, it uses the soulseek network, great for music04:18
alex-weej_oh that reminds me04:18
luisbgwasabi, how can that be? if there is support now it won't change04:19
wasabiHeh. My suspend in my laptop worked, about 4 months ago.04:19
wasabiNever since.04:19
luisbgwasabi, backport problem in the kernel?04:19
wasabiNow it wakes up immediatly after sleep with screen corruption.04:19
wasabiSame experience on my ibook. For a whole week it worked, about a year ago.04:19
spidersoulseek I never heard about it luisbg04:19
luisbgspider, all the people of audiogalaxy went to that server04:20
luisbgwasabi, and it just stopped working, without changing anything in you software?04:20
wasabiNo way. I upgrade every 30 minutes.04:20
spiderok luisbg04:20
luisbgwasabi, then it's a backport issue and... 30 minutes!? that's insane04:21
spiderdo you use ubuntu luisbg ???04:21
wasabiwhenever update-manager tells me to. ;)04:21
luisbgspider, why would I be in devel if I didn't04:22
luisbgspider, that's a yes :P04:22
alex-weej_anyone know what the source package is called for linux kernel?04:22
luisbgwasabi, LOL04:22
luisbgalex-weej_, isn't it the same but with apt-get source?04:22
wasabilinux-source? :)04:22
alex-weej_luisbg: linux-meta?04:22
alex-weej_E: Unable to find a source package for linux-image04:23
alex-weej_linux-meta seems to have... nothing...04:23
wasabimeta packages don't exist.04:23
wasabiThey are provided by other packages.04:23
spiderwhere are you from luisbg ??? :-D04:23
alex-weej_so how do i find the changelog for 2.6.20-11?04:23
alex-weej_because it fixed a shutdown bug which i'm convinced is related to my suspend bug04:23
wasabiThe Ubuntu change log?04:23
luisbgspider, from Spain (from canary islands but I live in madrid now)04:23
alex-weej_wasabi: yes04:23
wasabiapt-get source linux-image-whatever04:23
alex-weej_E: Unable to find a source package for linux-image-i38604:24
spiderok, I'm from mxico luisbg  :-D 04:24
luisbgalex-weej_, check in packages.ubuntu.com04:24
luisbgalex-weej_, I think you can get the changelog there, if not... search for the package in launchpad04:25
luisbgspider, ahhhh... you see, I'm saying stupid stuff because here it's 4:25 am04:25
alex-weej_does anyone here have a clue about what goes on with kernel development? because there was this bug that made some Asus motherboards reboot instead of shutting down about 3/4 months ago04:25
alex-weej_the response on launchpad was basically 04:25
alex-weej_wait till new upstream version - is it fixed yet?04:26
luisbgno new posts in the bug report at launchpad?04:26
alex-weej_as such nobody seems to have a clue what fixed it, and my suspend problem (which is suspiciously similar) doesn't get fixed04:26
luisbgalex-weej_, ask in the bug report... it will get to the correct mailing boxes04:26
spiderIt is very late luisbg  04:26
luisbgand they should at least read the subject of the mail 04:26
luisbgspider, for you it isn't 04:27
alex-weej_luisbg: tried a lot a long time ago, i figure it's obscure enough for no-one to care04:27
spiderno luisbg here it is 9:00 of the night04:28
luisbgalex-weej_, that sucks, I'm sorry04:29
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alex-weej_desktop here04:29
luisbgit's very hard to find a decent laptop with all supported nowadays04:29
luisbgalex-weej_, ahhh sorry04:29
alex-weej_i just wish ubuntu would bless a set of hardware sometimes04:29
alex-weej_and actually have a hw testing routine04:29
spiderit's early luisbg04:30
alex-weej_because every couple of kernel releases it's a new problem - sound issues, SATA, IRQs, video, shutdown, suspend04:30
alex-weej_gutsy doesn't even boot if i have my floppy disk BIOS enabled right now04:31
alex-weej_i wish i could just throw this PC in the trash and buy something that i knew would be well supported04:31
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alex-weej_i guess this is why Apple do what they do...04:31
luisbgalex-weej_, well... the ubuntu kernel developers don't have every piece of hardware in the market available in their offices to test04:32
alex-weej_luisbg: i know, i don't expect that at all04:32
luisbgapple has the benefit of building the hardware they have to build drivers for, makes it easy, makes it work very well04:32
luisbgbut limits the consumers to just a few options04:33
alex-weej_luisbg: what would be nice, though, is for a list of supported hardware to begin to form04:33
alex-weej_with a proper community-involved testing routine04:33
luisbgalex-weej_, there are a few things, but I do agree it is limited04:33
luisbgyou have to understand ubuntu depends on the users on this but...04:33
luisbgcheck this out for example04:33
alex-weej_yeah but 99% of real world people aren't interested, they want the 1% remaining to do the testing for them - i don't see why that can't work04:34
luisbgcannonical has baught a bunch of laptops for people to test04:34
luisbgwhich is something I haven't seen any other distro do04:35
alex-weej_and do proposed updates filter through this testing team before they are released?04:35
luisbgthat's spending thousands of dollars, we can't expect more04:35
alex-weej_let me just set the record straight - i don't "expect", i just wish we had a nicer situation :)04:36
alex-weej_it would be nice if people could volunteer to be part of testing routines04:36
luisbgalex-weej_, lead by example and add any information you have about your hardware in04:36
luisbgalex-weej_, I would volunteer happily, but I don't have the money to buy hardware to test04:37
alex-weej_but the important thing is that the updates need to be put on hold until the testing routines come back clean04:37
luisbgI'm buying a laptop soon, I will report all my founding on it04:37
alex-weej_luisbg: that's great as a one-off04:37
luisbgthis remembers me a conversation I was in a few years back, a few guys in a convention asking a gnome hacker04:38
luisbgto get support for bluetooth devices in his system manager04:38
luisbgthe gnome hacker didn't even had a cellphone, he was unemployed at the moment04:38
luisbgI'm gonna go read a book to get a sleepy and sleep04:39
luisbgalex-weej_, talk to you an other time =)04:39
alex-weej_laters ;)04:39
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dmbwhats the best way to get a folder in /usr/lib to be in the library search path when creating a package?04:46
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macogwcan I add Intel to the "wifi" column on the free-driver-vendors table?05:57
macogwsince their drivers are open and included in ubuntu and just the firmware is closed05:58
macogwbroadcom would fit that too, for that matter05:58
macogwwell, except that the broadcom firmware isnt installed by default like intel's is05:58
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bryliehello, can anybody point me to an article related to creating a metapackage for the apt repository so that the devs of a project can change the name of the .deb and allow anyone with the old version installed to migrate to the new naming standard?06:05
bryliespecifically, the current naming standard is python2.x-exe_x.xx.x.deb and the new name would [hopefully]  be exe_x.xx.x.deb06:07
macogwbrylie: ive never done it before, but from what i've heard, a metapackage just involves having a text file listing what's required, make it into an archive, and then rename to .deb06:08
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brylieis there a specific format?06:09
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Burgundaviabrylie: look at the seeds for the ubuntu-meta package06:14
brylieok.. seeds.. like, google 'ubuntu-meta package06:15
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Burgundaviabrylie: crimsun is dishing out good advice, listen to it06:17
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macogwbrylie: i think s/he wants you to get the ubuntu-desktop source package and unzip/untar it to see what's in there...maybe?06:25
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Burgundaviahey Hobbsee07:13
Hobbseeheya Burgundavia, how's it going?07:13
Hobbseei presume bdmurray went to bed?07:13
Hobbseeor is otherwise Not Here?07:13
BurgundaviaI have no idea07:13
BurgundaviaI don't sleep or otherwise live near bdmurray07:13
Burgundaviasleep with, rather07:13
Hobbseethose were two separate statements...07:14
Burgundaviathey looked like one to me :)07:14
Hobbseeno, i try not to randomly accuse developers of sleeping with each other07:14
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Hobbseeit's usually a Bad Thing.07:15
Burgundaviathe accusing or the sleeping?07:16
Burgundaviabecause while the former is generally a bad thing, the latter is usually enjoyable :)_07:16
BurgundaviaHobbsee: gee, that made you quiet07:20
HobbseeBurgundavia: was afk :P07:22
Hobbseeheh, either.07:22
Hobbseemum came home.07:22
HobbseeBurgundavia: i did mean the accusing being bad.07:23
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ompaulogra, you with us today?10:17
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Kmoskeescook: bug 4011211:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 40112 in linux-source-2.6.15 "wakeup failed with Dapper Flight 6 live CD" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4011211:49
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Treenaks(it did work though, I can now connect to my AP on channel 12)12:05
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TreenaksLure: hi12:24
TreenaksLure: have you seen the recent DRI/Ati work?12:24
LureTreenaks: R5xx stuff?12:25
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TreenaksLure: that, but also the kernel modesetting stuff12:26
TreenaksLure: which might finally fix "my" bug12:26
LureTreenaks: no, but latest -ati package works for me (detect display properly)12:26
TreenaksLure: yeah, you're lucky, I have bug 20283 ;)12:26
ubotuLaunchpad bug 20283 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[X700]  Really bad sync on HP NW8240" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2028312:26
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sn00p-does anybody know why ubuntu 7.04 hangs at startup ? I read some forums about turning noapic off and it gets past the splash but after that it just freeze I have a 8800 gtx geforce video card would that may be a problem?12:27
LureTreenaks: the one from here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgOnTheEdge12:27
LureTreenaks: yeh, I know you are still stuck with that one :-(12:27
TreenaksLure: ooh! l33t x0rgness12:27
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affluxthe source package swfdec0.4 had a ftbfs due to a dependency problem on 2007-05-03, which seems fixed now (at least it works in my pbuilder). Can someone restart the build-process?12:35
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Kmosuuid generate is part of the kernel ?12:55
Kmos!info uuid12:55
ubotuuuid: OSSP uuid. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5.1-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 12 kB, installed size 68 kB12:55
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Hobbseeafflux: probably need to ask on monday01:28
Hobbseesince i dont think pitti and such are here01:28
affluxokay. Should I just file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-archive?01:28
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affluxI mean, a bug is already filed by someone else...01:29
affluxbug 12067301:29
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120673 in swfdec0.4 "[FTBFS] unmet build-deps: libxul-dev" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12067301:30
Hobbseeafflux: ah, that's fine.  will ask for a giveb ack when i see the relevant people around01:31
affluxthank you01:32
cjwatsonmacogw: I don't think Broadcom would be a reasonable addition at all. They've refused to cooperate with us (e.g. give us permission to redistribute the firmware that's freely downloadable from other sites), and the driver only exists because some people got fed up and reverse-engineered it.01:40
Hobbseecjwatson: could you be persuaded to do a couple of givebacks, then?01:41
cjwatsonHobbsee: persuading me won't help because I don't have access to do so01:41
Hobbseecjwatson: oh, sorry, i thought you did.01:42
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Hobbseei keep thinking it's a standard archive-y type thing.01:42
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geserHobbsee: pitti and doko were recently added as buildd admins02:46
Hobbseeyes, but pitti's not here.02:50
Hobbseeand i dont think doko is either02:50
pochuMithrandir seems to be.02:50
geserafaik is he on holidays02:53
Hobbseehe's on leave02:53
pochuAh, ok.02:53
geserHobbsee: do you know how long?02:53
Hobbseegeser: he should be back at the end of next week.  it was two weeks from sunday02:54
Hobbseewell, 2 weeks from last weekend02:54
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MithrandirI'm going to be at debconf from tomorrow on, I'm not really here now.02:58
Hobbseeahh, he is alive!02:59
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pbnhi there, finally fixed kppp problem, bug 36655 was right, I had to uncomment noauth in /etc/ppp/peers/kppp-options04:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 36655 in kdenetwork "pppd dies on connection" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3665504:28
FjodorI seem to be hitting Bug #96566 in feisty. Furthermore, I cannot administer the group "mail" with users-admin to add users to it. Would it be safe to chgrp it to users?04:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 96566 in mozilla-thunderbird "movemail account does not work with default /var/mail permissions" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9656604:38
ubotuIt's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.04:43
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FjodorHobbsee: Right (again). Just trying my luck anyways. And since it was sort of bug related, I tried here first. However, thanks again for the notice04:45
Hobbseeno problem - just a note for both fo you04:46
FjodorBut would you care to give a "shot-from-the-hip, no-resposibility" opinion as to whether /var/mail might be chgrp'ed to users?04:47
Fjodor...since you seem to often know a lot of other stuff ;-)04:48
Hobbseei have no idea.04:48
FjodorHobbsee: Fair enough. Thanks anyway.04:48
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persiaFjodor: changing it is a security risk.  I'm not familiar with movemail, but /var/mail is intended to be restricted to reduce the chance that users have any access to any information about mail for other users.04:49
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FjodorOh, well, I guess I can always chgrp it back again later. Also, it's a personal machine, so I the only regular user, and the others are trusted...04:50
Fjodorpersia: Ok, thanks for that. But as I just said, almost only user and stuff...04:50
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FjodorAfterall, the mail files in the dir are 660, grp mail, so I guess it would actually be better to chgrp the dir to users, and keep users out of the mail group04:52
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=== Hobbsee ponders whether what she's about to post will violate the COC.
mjg59Hobbsee: If you have to ponder, then maybe it will :p05:37
Hobbseemjg59: well, it doesnt say "you are a fucking moron".  that's a start.05:37
pygiHobbsee, just do it05:38
Hobbseehttp://rafb.net/p/3LkKkL41.html is the proposed response.05:38
pygimeh, shirish again05:39
Hobbseemjg59: okay, more to the point, i think it does violate it - the question is how badly, and whether i can actually tone it down05:39
Hobbseepygi: exactly.05:39
mjg59Hobbsee: I think the best thing to do would either be not to answer or to provide a purely technical response05:40
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pygiHobbsee, he's arguing me now why we at libburnia don't like trac & mailing lists, and why don't we use it all the time05:40
Hobbseemjg59: it was all good until i got to 05:40
Hobbsee>  Lemme mention that Ms. Sarah Hobbes had been very helpful in her own05:40
Hobbsee> capacity to help me & did the update but some things are still05:40
Hobbsee> missing.05:40
pygiHobbsee, he can't neither read or write proper english I think05:40
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mjg59Hobbsee: I think that's either a language or cultural misunderstanding rather than a desire to be patronising05:40
bhaleHobbsee: Miss :)05:40
Hobbseeno, sorry, your incapability to undesrtand what's being said to you, when others in the channel can is not my problem, nor can you say that i'm an idiot.05:41
pygiHobbsee, where did he write those stuff?05:41
Hobbseepygi: -devel-discuss and -bugsquad05:41
pygiHobbsee, I understand you :-/05:42
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Hobbseei dont think it's *that* bad a violation.05:43
pygiplus you have a point05:43
pygiif you need a hand there, do poke05:43
Hobbseebecause if he keeps this up, i *will* end up calling him a fucking moron, in a public place, and he will not be happy.05:43
Hobbseeokay, more public than this.05:43
pygiHobbsee, isn't -devel-discuss list only for people who are approved to post there? Or is it -devel that's like that now?05:44
Hobbseepygi: devel-discuss is moderated somewhat, but -devel is the main moderated one05:45
pygiHobbsee, got it05:45
Hobbseemjg59: i resisted the urge to make a comment about the indians, as that would be a COC violation, and racist.  i think what ended up there isnt too bad, myself :P05:46
pygiHobbsee, I know people from india who can speak clear english, and are pretty good developers, and persons05:47
pygiso that wouldn't work05:47
Hobbseepygi: my problem with them is that they tend to think "OMG, IT'S A GIRL.  how much can i hit on her?"05:47
pygiperhaps ... but still a stereotype05:48
Hobbseetrue that05:48
mjg59I think is is probably starting to verge on the inappropriate05:48
Hobbseeactually, i have some cool indian friends.05:48
Hobbseeso it is unfair of me to say05:48
ion_How big has the sample been this statistic is based on?05:48
pygiion_, yay, haven't seen you in ages :)05:49
Hobbseeion_: not big enough.  people generally on irc.  i'll freely admit to that05:49
ion_Hi pygi05:49
mjg59Perhaps I should make my hints less subtle :)05:49
pygimjg59, ^_^05:49
Hobbseemjg59: point taken.  i'll cool off in a bit though05:49
pygigood, good05:50
pygi ion_ how you've been?05:50
ion_pygi: Well, okay-ish. :-)05:50
ion_pygi: How are you?05:50
pygiion_, seriously tired :P05:50
pygihad 5 exams this week :(05:50
pygiindeed :P05:51
pygiappear sometimes on "you know what channel" :)05:51
pygiyou're never there anymore05:51
ion_Im on too many channels. :-)05:52
pygiyou told me that already :p05:52
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elkbuntui figured you might need it ;)05:56
Hobbseehehe, yeah.05:56
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Hobbseethat and a stiff drink, maybe.05:56
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soci just saw that xserver-xorg-video-avivo came in06:23
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socchanged the line from fglrx to avivo06:23
socdidn't work06:23
soc(EE) No devices detected06:23
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socto who should i report back?06:24
socit says it supports RV515, RV530, R58006:24
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soci have a RV51506:25
mc44soc: did you read the announcment? it is for developers only06:25
socmaybe there is just the pci-id missing06:25
socthe mobile gpus are sometimes called M52/M54, but they are in fact RV51506:26
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socuh nice ... my noteook startet beeping when i did sudo gdm06:40
soccold reboot06:40
pygiHobbsee, you've got shirish again :)06:43
Hobbseepygi: hm?06:43
Hobbseepygi: whta, the new documentatoin?06:43
Hobbseepygi: i twitched, and left it alone.06:43
pygi-devel-discuss and -doc06:43
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Hobbseepygi: ignoring may well be the best strategy in the long run.  with the odd potshot to say "you're really not helping, youv'e been told the ways you can, but arent really going in the right way"06:45
pygigot it06:47
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habeebasac, are you alive, sir?07:39
asachabeeb: whats up?07:40
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habeebasac, check your pms07:46
asachabeeb: no pm received ... if its mozilla related, we can do this in #ubuntu-mozillateam as well :)07:47
habeebNo, it isn't. Its gnash related07:48
pochuhabeeb: you aren't identified, so you can't pm07:48
habeebTa~ta gnash has an IRC channel too ^_^07:49
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Kmoscrimsun: are you there?10:17
Kmoscrimsun: bug 4220110:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 42201 in phpmyadmin "Silly problem with a parameter" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4220110:25
Kmoscan you check this one.. is with phpmyadmin10:25
crimsunI'm not sure what you want me to check; it's currently synced from Debian. Are you asking for an SRU?10:27
Kmosno.. if the bug was fixed10:28
Kmosand there is a new version if you want to know :)10:28
crimsunI honestly have no way of checking; I can't install anything on this laptop ATM.10:29
crimsunprobably better posed to -motu, since it's in universe.10:29
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Kmosi will install it to check the bug10:33
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Kmoscrimsun: it's fixed10:47
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crimsunKmos: ok11:01
jdongcrimsun: would you be willing to sponsor a ktorrent SRU?11:05
jdongI've been patiently waiting for a few weeks already :)11:06
crimsunbug #?11:07
ogra_crimsun, do you have any idea if we will see support for the SiS7019 before gutsy comes out ? 11:07
jdongbug 11088111:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 110881 in ktorrent "[SRU]  Citical bug cherrypicks from SVN" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11088111:07
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ogra_i know there are some patches but dont know the status ...  i have a bunch of ltsp users that have ordered big amoounts of ebox 2300 thin clients, they are equipped with these things ...11:08
LaserJockjdong: got a sec to talk TeX?11:10
jdongLaserJock: yeah, sup?11:10
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LaserJockjdong: was reading the debian-tex list11:11
LaserJockjdong: are you doing any backporting work?11:11
jdongLaserJock: I haven't done anything with TeX as far as backporting it11:11
jdongLaserJock: there is a request for texlive11:12
jdongbut it seems to be some 20-odd source packages with a few source edits11:12
jdongfor build-dep version bumpdowns11:12
jdongI was kinda scared to touch it till I talked to someone who knew something about it :D11:12
LaserJockwell, there is another person who's got backports already11:12
LaserJockand I was thinking of setting up a repo for it11:13
LaserJockI didn't think texlive 2007 would be very good -backports material11:13
LaserJockwhat's your opinion?11:14
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crimsunogra_: -ECRYSTALBALL11:14
jdongLaserJock: texlive replaces the existing tex stuff (or some of it), right?11:14
jdongI'm not well-versed in tex... I've used latex like 3 times11:14
LaserJockyes, in gutsy we got rid of tetex11:15
LaserJockand fiesty ships with both tetex and texlive 200511:15
jdongwhat would be the consequences of replacing texlive 2005 with 2007? any compatibility issues?11:16
LaserJocktetex is dead upstream11:16
LaserJockwell, with tex it's pretty hard to figure out the consequences11:16
LaserJockusers tend to do a lot of manipulation/configuration/customization to their TeX installs11:16
jdongit sounds pretty uneasy to me11:17
jdongI personally don't want to touch it if not direly necessary11:17
LaserJockbut this one guy was able to backport texlive 2007 to feisty, edgy, and dapper11:17
LaserJockgoing from the Debian unstable packages11:17
jdongAFAIK all it took was recompiling sid packages11:17
jdongdoing a bit of b-d tweaking11:17
jdongto force a few versions slightly lower11:17
LaserJockdapper might take a bit more work11:18
LaserJockbut feisty is pretty easy I think11:18
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LaserJockbut I wanted to talk to you about whether you thought we should shoot for -backports or try to do some semi-official repo11:18
jdongLaserJock: if feisty looks easy, I'm all for doing it; if build-dep tweaks and a few additional backports is all it needs, we can totally do that11:19
jdongbut for dapper/edgy, it is probably better unofficial11:19
pygijdong, you're here finally!!!11:19
jdongin the meantime I have no issues with him keeping unofficial backports11:19
jdongprivided that they're sanely versioned, etc11:19
LaserJockjdong: using -backports is a bit nicer as it takes something like 700MB to host the whole lot11:20
LaserJockso finding somebody to host an unofficial repo can be difficult11:20
pygijdong, poke when you get time pls11:21
Nafallodoes backports get hammered a lot?11:21
jdongNafallo: haha apparently it does11:22
jdongpygi: I've got some time now, sup?11:22
Nafallothen my 3Mbit probably won't suffice ;-)11:22
pygijdong, we should do a backport of libburn, libisofs, and brasero11:22
jdongNafallo: haha, we used to clock in at 25GB/day when we were unofficial11:22
jdongpygi: sounds cool; haven't I done something like that before?11:23
pygijdong, you did. But new versions =)11:23
jdongpygi: ooh, me likey new versions11:23
Nafallojdong: see priv :-)11:23
jdongLaserJock: if the dude who does the unofficial backports is well-qualified, we could just have him upload the sources manually to -backports11:24
jdongLaserJock: I'm sure -archive will be irked but meh :D11:24
LaserJockjdong: well, he seems to be able to get things to work, but I think he needs to go through somebody for a while at least11:26
pygijdong, k, let me know when we do it, so I can give you a hand11:26
LaserJockjdong: so what I can do is grab his packages, look them over myself or have another MOTU look at them, and then shove them off to you11:28
LaserJocksound ok?11:28
jdongLaserJock: sounds great , thanks!11:32
jdongpygi: mmmkay, after I get back from vacation11:32
pygijdong, doki11:32
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Kmoscrimsun: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=558611:38
crimsunKmos: it's better to tell me in #ubuntu-motu, please11:39
Kmoswrong channel11:39
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