[01:46] <wasabi> man everytime i upgrade gnome-power-manager leaves teh systray and opens it's own window thing... cuz the gnome-panel recycles
[01:46] <wasabi> with seemingly no way to put it back
[01:47] <wasabi> oh, seems like killing and starting it again solves that. Wonder if there's an appropiate way for it to do that on it's own.
[01:51] <wasabi> Along similar lines. I wonder what a good policy for that stuff is. Should bugs be filed if applications break while upgraded wen running?
[01:51] <alex-weej_> are there any moderately featured vanilla kernel distributions? i need to test a few sound driver bugs
[01:51] <alex-weej_> wasabi: isn't that an EggTrayIcon bug?
[01:52] <wasabi> Got me, most other apps seem to handle it find now.
[01:52] <alex-weej_> I know that Gossip used to do it at least
[01:54] <wasabi> d
[01:57] <crimsun> alex-weej_: you have a card driven by snd-ice17*, correct?
[01:58] <alex-weej_> crimsun: yes, that's me
[01:58] <crimsun> alex-weej_: with static?
[01:58] <crimsun> or other audio artifacts?
[01:58] <alex-weej_> well, sounds like static
[01:58] <crimsun> using dmix?
[01:58] <alex-weej_> yes
[01:58] <crimsun> feisty or gutsy?
[01:58] <alex-weej_> feisty, haven't dared test gutsy outside of VM yet
[01:59] <crimsun> are you using an asoundrc?
[01:59] <alex-weej_> not a custom one
[01:59] <alex-weej_> er
[01:59] <alex-weej_> actually
[01:59] <alex-weej_> i suppose i am, i use asoundconf --set-default-card
[01:59] <alex-weej_> but even if i use the "hw:0,0" pcm directly, it happens
[02:00] <crimsun> edit ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf, scroll down to defaults.pcm.dmix.format, and change S16_LE to S32_LE
[02:00] <alex-weej_> e.g. aplay -d hw:0,0
[02:00] <pygi> around' people supposed to be sleeping :P
[02:00] <pygi> arent*
[02:00] <alex-weej_> crimsun: it's actually S16 atm, not S16_LE
[02:01] <alex-weej_> also the card output is 24 bit...
[02:01] <alex-weej_> still want me to change it to S32_LE?
[02:01] <cjwatson> alex-weej_: gutsy is pretty nearly vanilla kernel ...
[02:01] <cjwatson> (aside from additional modules)
[02:01] <alex-weej_> cjwatson: it's not good enough for kernel devs
[02:01] <crimsun> alex-weej_: yes
[02:01] <cjwatson> alex-weej_: well, this is what Ben tells me
[02:02] <cjwatson> feisty was a bit less vanilla
[02:02] <alex-weej_> crimsun: ok let me try this now
[02:02] <crimsun> also, be sure to disable any sort of pci timing optimisation junk in bios
[02:02] <alex-weej_> crimsun: i have absolutely no idea
[02:03] <alex-weej_> crimsun: i'm playing back some stuff now with "aplay", unfortunately the whole issue is very temperamental so i'll just have to keep my ears open
[02:03] <crimsun> if with dmix it's still reproducible (that is, with that asoundrc fix and `aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav`), then see the position_fix parameter to snd-hda-intel.
[02:03] <alex-weej_> see the what what?
[02:03] <crimsun> likely you'll need either position_fix=2 or position_fix=3
[02:03] <crimsun> alex-weej_: modinfo snd-hda-intel|grep ^parm
[02:04] <crimsun> err, sorry, wrong issue
[02:04] <crimsun> about position_fix, that is
[02:04] <alex-weej_> ok
[02:04] <crimsun> sorry, I'm debugging a similar issue in another IRC channel and got fumble fingers
[02:04] <alex-weej_> crimsun: tbh i don't even know how this is playing - the card doesn't support 32 bit sample formats
[02:05] <crimsun> the upper 8 bits are not relevant
[02:05] <crimsun> it's really 24, but you need S32_LE for ice17xx
[02:05] <alex-weej_> hm, you know what i really can't tell if it's fixing the problem
[02:05] <alex-weej_> i'm trying "hw:1,0"
[02:06] <crimsun> hw:0 I'm not concerned about; plughw:0 and plug:dmix I am
[02:06] <alex-weej_> (the card is hw:1, btw)
[02:06] <crimsun> anyhow, to cut the clutter here, please report in said bug report, and I'll take a look tonight when I get into the hotel
[02:06] <crimsun> (substitute the card index as appropriate, of course)
[02:06] <alex-weej_> crimsun: well ok thanks but i can't promise i'll have anything to report - it's just not happening atm
[02:06] <alex-weej_> sometimes it'll happen for like 10 minutes
[02:07] <alex-weej_> gutsy goes fing mental when i reboot it in virtualbox :E
[02:15] <alex-weej_> what's with the 11pt default font size these days as well? Windows users think we're short-sighted enough as it is for settling on 10pt before...
[03:26] <luisbg> Is intel doing such a great supporting drivers for linux work to be the first in the linux friendly hardware vendors list?
[03:27] <luisbg> I think it's awesome their integrated cards are very well supported =)
[03:28] <luisbg> that wiki page is going to help people choose their next machines, and that will force vendors to be more free-friendly
[03:28] <luisbg> are the intel drivers GPL?
[03:28] <alex-weej_> crimsun: ping
[03:40] <Toxicity999> Unfortunately so far intel isn't a huge graphics contender yet. But it works nicely for lihht 3D, the newer setups can be good though.
[03:41] <Toxicity999> I wonder how large that list will grow.
[04:06] <luisbg> Toxicity999, yeah... having only gpl drivers is very strict but good
[04:07] <luisbg> Toxicity999, it even looks like intel drivers aren't all gpl, http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/license.html, only the agp drm modules, the rest is mit
[04:08] <mjg59> luisbg: MIT is even more liberal than GPL. You can incorporate MIT stuff into GPL code.
[04:08] <luisbg> mjg59, :S oops, sorry for that 
[04:09] <mjg59> You can incorporate MIT stuff into closed-source products
[04:09] <mjg59> It's basically a "Do anything you want with this code" license
[04:11] <spider> a program to lower music please??
[04:14] <spider> because I have the limewire but I don't found my music :-D
[04:15] <luisbg> mjg59, so it's even free in merging, that's awesome
[04:15] <luisbg> intel graphics for the win! (I'm so tempted in buying a macbook right now LOL)
[04:15] <luisbg> spider, lower?
[04:15] <wasabi> Too bad half of the other stuff on the MacBook doesn't work.
[04:16] <bhale> if you try really hard you can trick dell into selling you a d620 with all intel gear
[04:16] <alex-weej_> fgs, i have a single python script that i want to package up into a .deb and it's ridiculously complicated :(
[04:17] <spider> luisbg yes or down 
[04:17] <luisbg> wasabi, like what?
[04:17] <luisbg> spider, have you tried nicotine?
[04:17] <alex-weej_> what's the difference between MIT and BSD?
[04:17] <wasabi> power management is pretty screwed.
[04:17] <wasabi> Sound too I think
[04:17] <spider> no luisbg 
[04:18] <luisbg> wasabi, hmmmm suspend works, but yeah.. battery lasts half as in the other OS
[04:18] <luisbg> spider, you should
[04:18] <spider> I go to see luisbg 
[04:18] <spider> thanks 
[04:18] <spider> :-)
[04:18] <wasabi> Suspend works today, but might not tomorrow. That's my experience.
[04:18] <luisbg> spider, it uses the soulseek network, great for music
[04:18] <alex-weej_> oh that reminds me
[04:19] <luisbg> wasabi, how can that be? if there is support now it won't change
[04:19] <wasabi> Heh. My suspend in my laptop worked, about 4 months ago.
[04:19] <wasabi> Never since.
[04:19] <luisbg> wasabi, backport problem in the kernel?
[04:19] <wasabi> Now it wakes up immediatly after sleep with screen corruption.
[04:19] <wasabi> Same experience on my ibook. For a whole week it worked, about a year ago.
[04:19] <spider> soulseek I never heard about it luisbg
[04:20] <luisbg> spider, all the people of audiogalaxy went to that server
[04:20] <luisbg> wasabi, and it just stopped working, without changing anything in you software?
[04:20] <wasabi> No way. I upgrade every 30 minutes.
[04:20] <spider> ok luisbg
[04:21] <luisbg> wasabi, then it's a backport issue and... 30 minutes!? that's insane
[04:21] <spider> do you use ubuntu luisbg ???
[04:21] <wasabi> whenever update-manager tells me to. ;)
[04:22] <luisbg> spider, why would I be in devel if I didn't
[04:22] <luisbg> spider, that's a yes :P
[04:22] <alex-weej_> anyone know what the source package is called for linux kernel?
[04:22] <luisbg> wasabi, LOL
[04:22] <luisbg> alex-weej_, isn't it the same but with apt-get source?
[04:22] <wasabi> linux-source? :)
[04:22] <alex-weej_> luisbg: linux-meta?
[04:23] <alex-weej_> E: Unable to find a source package for linux-image
[04:23] <alex-weej_> linux-meta seems to have... nothing...
[04:23] <wasabi> meta packages don't exist.
[04:23] <wasabi> They are provided by other packages.
[04:23] <spider> where are you from luisbg ??? :-D
[04:23] <alex-weej_> so how do i find the changelog for 2.6.20-11?
[04:23] <alex-weej_> because it fixed a shutdown bug which i'm convinced is related to my suspend bug
[04:23] <wasabi> The Ubuntu change log?
[04:23] <luisbg> spider, from Spain (from canary islands but I live in madrid now)
[04:23] <alex-weej_> wasabi: yes
[04:23] <wasabi> apt-get source linux-image-whatever
[04:24] <alex-weej_> E: Unable to find a source package for linux-image-i386
[04:24] <spider> ok, I'm from mxico luisbg  :-D 
[04:24] <luisbg> alex-weej_, check in packages.ubuntu.com
[04:25] <luisbg> alex-weej_, I think you can get the changelog there, if not... search for the package in launchpad
[04:25] <luisbg> spider, ahhhh... you see, I'm saying stupid stuff because here it's 4:25 am
[04:25] <alex-weej_> does anyone here have a clue about what goes on with kernel development? because there was this bug that made some Asus motherboards reboot instead of shutting down about 3/4 months ago
[04:25] <spider> :-S
[04:25] <alex-weej_> the response on launchpad was basically 
[04:26] <alex-weej_> wait till new upstream version - is it fixed yet?
[04:26] <luisbg> no new posts in the bug report at launchpad?
[04:26] <alex-weej_> as such nobody seems to have a clue what fixed it, and my suspend problem (which is suspiciously similar) doesn't get fixed
[04:26] <luisbg> alex-weej_, ask in the bug report... it will get to the correct mailing boxes
[04:26] <spider> It is very late luisbg  
[04:26] <luisbg> and they should at least read the subject of the mail 
[04:27] <luisbg> spider, for you it isn't 
[04:27] <alex-weej_> luisbg: tried a lot a long time ago, i figure it's obscure enough for no-one to care
[04:28] <spider> no luisbg here it is 9:00 of the night
[04:28] <spider> :-)
[04:29] <luisbg> alex-weej_, that sucks, I'm sorry
[04:29] <alex-weej_> desktop here
[04:29] <luisbg> it's very hard to find a decent laptop with all supported nowadays
[04:29] <luisbg> alex-weej_, ahhh sorry
[04:29] <alex-weej_> i just wish ubuntu would bless a set of hardware sometimes
[04:29] <alex-weej_> and actually have a hw testing routine
[04:30] <spider> it's early luisbg
[04:30] <alex-weej_> because every couple of kernel releases it's a new problem - sound issues, SATA, IRQs, video, shutdown, suspend
[04:31] <alex-weej_> gutsy doesn't even boot if i have my floppy disk BIOS enabled right now
[04:31] <alex-weej_> i wish i could just throw this PC in the trash and buy something that i knew would be well supported
[04:31] <alex-weej_> i guess this is why Apple do what they do...
[04:32] <luisbg> alex-weej_, well... the ubuntu kernel developers don't have every piece of hardware in the market available in their offices to test
[04:32] <alex-weej_> luisbg: i know, i don't expect that at all
[04:32] <luisbg> apple has the benefit of building the hardware they have to build drivers for, makes it easy, makes it work very well
[04:33] <luisbg> but limits the consumers to just a few options
[04:33] <alex-weej_> luisbg: what would be nice, though, is for a list of supported hardware to begin to form
[04:33] <alex-weej_> with a proper community-involved testing routine
[04:33] <luisbg> alex-weej_, there are a few things, but I do agree it is limited
[04:33] <luisbg> you have to understand ubuntu depends on the users on this but...
[04:33] <luisbg> check this out for example
[04:34] <alex-weej_> yeah but 99% of real world people aren't interested, they want the 1% remaining to do the testing for them - i don't see why that can't work
[04:34] <luisbg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
[04:34] <luisbg> cannonical has baught a bunch of laptops for people to test
[04:35] <luisbg> which is something I haven't seen any other distro do
[04:35] <alex-weej_> and do proposed updates filter through this testing team before they are released?
[04:35] <luisbg> that's spending thousands of dollars, we can't expect more
[04:36] <alex-weej_> let me just set the record straight - i don't "expect", i just wish we had a nicer situation :)
[04:36] <alex-weej_> it would be nice if people could volunteer to be part of testing routines
[04:36] <luisbg> alex-weej_, lead by example and add any information you have about your hardware in
[04:36] <luisbg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport?highlight=%28hardware%29
[04:37] <luisbg> alex-weej_, I would volunteer happily, but I don't have the money to buy hardware to test
[04:37] <alex-weej_> but the important thing is that the updates need to be put on hold until the testing routines come back clean
[04:37] <luisbg> I'm buying a laptop soon, I will report all my founding on it
[04:37] <alex-weej_> luisbg: that's great as a one-off
[04:38] <luisbg> this remembers me a conversation I was in a few years back, a few guys in a convention asking a gnome hacker
[04:38] <luisbg> to get support for bluetooth devices in his system manager
[04:38] <luisbg> the gnome hacker didn't even had a cellphone, he was unemployed at the moment
[04:39] <luisbg> anyway...
[04:39] <luisbg> I'm gonna go read a book to get a sleepy and sleep
[04:39] <alex-weej_> gnight
[04:39] <luisbg> alex-weej_, talk to you an other time =)
[04:39] <alex-weej_> laters ;)
[04:46] <dmb> whats the best way to get a folder in /usr/lib to be in the library search path when creating a package?
[05:57] <macogw> can I add Intel to the "wifi" column on the free-driver-vendors table?
[05:58] <macogw> since their drivers are open and included in ubuntu and just the firmware is closed
[05:58] <macogw> broadcom would fit that too, for that matter
[05:58] <macogw> well, except that the broadcom firmware isnt installed by default like intel's is
[06:05] <brylie> hello, can anybody point me to an article related to creating a metapackage for the apt repository so that the devs of a project can change the name of the .deb and allow anyone with the old version installed to migrate to the new naming standard?
[06:07] <brylie> specifically, the current naming standard is python2.x-exe_x.xx.x.deb and the new name would [hopefully]  be exe_x.xx.x.deb
[06:08] <macogw> brylie: ive never done it before, but from what i've heard, a metapackage just involves having a text file listing what's required, make it into an archive, and then rename to .deb
[06:09] <brylie> interesting
[06:09] <brylie> is there a specific format?
[06:14] <Burgundavia> brylie: look at the seeds for the ubuntu-meta package
[06:15] <brylie> ok.. seeds.. like, google 'ubuntu-meta package
[06:15] <brylie> '?
[06:17] <Burgundavia> brylie: crimsun is dishing out good advice, listen to it
[06:25] <macogw> brylie: i think s/he wants you to get the ubuntu-desktop source package and unzip/untar it to see what's in there...maybe?
[06:25] <brylie> ok
[07:13] <Burgundavia> hey Hobbsee
[07:13] <Hobbsee> heya Burgundavia, how's it going?
[07:13] <Hobbsee> i presume bdmurray went to bed?
[07:13] <Hobbsee> or is otherwise Not Here?
[07:13] <Burgundavia> I have no idea
[07:13] <Burgundavia> I don't sleep or otherwise live near bdmurray
[07:13] <Burgundavia> sleep with, rather
[07:14] <Hobbsee> ...
[07:14] <Burgundavia> heh
[07:14] <Burgundavia> :D
[07:14] <Hobbsee> those were two separate statements...
[07:14] <Burgundavia> they looked like one to me :)
[07:14] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:14] <Hobbsee> no, i try not to randomly accuse developers of sleeping with each other
[07:15] <Hobbsee> it's usually a Bad Thing.
[07:16] <Burgundavia> the accusing or the sleeping?
[07:16] <Burgundavia> because while the former is generally a bad thing, the latter is usually enjoyable :)_
[07:20] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: gee, that made you quiet
[07:22] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: was afk :P
[07:22] <Hobbsee> heh, either.
[07:22] <Hobbsee> mum came home.
[07:23] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: i did mean the accusing being bad.
[10:17] <ompaul> ogra, you with us today?
[11:49] <Kmos> keescook: bug 40112
[11:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 40112 in linux-source-2.6.15 "wakeup failed with Dapper Flight 6 live CD" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40112
[12:05] <Treenaks> (it did work though, I can now connect to my AP on channel 12)
[12:24] <Treenaks> Lure: hi
[12:24] <Treenaks> Lure: have you seen the recent DRI/Ati work?
[12:25] <Lure> Treenaks: R5xx stuff?
[12:26] <Treenaks> Lure: that, but also the kernel modesetting stuff
[12:26] <Treenaks> Lure: which might finally fix "my" bug
[12:26] <Lure> Treenaks: no, but latest -ati package works for me (detect display properly)
[12:26] <Treenaks> Lure: yeah, you're lucky, I have bug 20283 ;)
[12:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 20283 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[X700]  Really bad sync on HP NW8240" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/20283
[12:27] <sn00p-> does anybody know why ubuntu 7.04 hangs at startup ? I read some forums about turning noapic off and it gets past the splash but after that it just freeze I have a 8800 gtx geforce video card would that may be a problem?
[12:27] <Lure> Treenaks: the one from here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgOnTheEdge
[12:27] <Lure> Treenaks: yeh, I know you are still stuck with that one :-(
[12:27] <Treenaks> Lure: ooh! l33t x0rgness
[12:35] <afflux> the source package swfdec0.4 had a ftbfs due to a dependency problem on 2007-05-03, which seems fixed now (at least it works in my pbuilder). Can someone restart the build-process?
[12:55] <Kmos> uuid generate is part of the kernel ?
[12:55] <Kmos> !info uuid
[12:55] <ubotu> uuid: OSSP uuid. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5.1-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 12 kB, installed size 68 kB
[01:28] <Hobbsee> afflux: probably need to ask on monday
[01:28] <Hobbsee> since i dont think pitti and such are here
[01:28] <afflux> okay. Should I just file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-archive?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> nah
[01:29] <afflux> I mean, a bug is already filed by someone else...
[01:29] <afflux> bug 120673
[01:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120673 in swfdec0.4 "[FTBFS] unmet build-deps: libxul-dev" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120673
[01:31] <Hobbsee> afflux: ah, that's fine.  will ask for a giveb ack when i see the relevant people around
[01:32] <afflux> thank you
[01:40] <cjwatson> macogw: I don't think Broadcom would be a reasonable addition at all. They've refused to cooperate with us (e.g. give us permission to redistribute the firmware that's freely downloadable from other sites), and the driver only exists because some people got fed up and reverse-engineered it.
[01:41] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: could you be persuaded to do a couple of givebacks, then?
[01:41] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: persuading me won't help because I don't have access to do so
[01:42] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: oh, sorry, i thought you did.
[01:42] <Hobbsee> apologies
[01:42] <Hobbsee> i keep thinking it's a standard archive-y type thing.
[01:42] <cjwatson> nope
[02:46] <geser> Hobbsee: pitti and doko were recently added as buildd admins
[02:50] <Hobbsee> yes, but pitti's not here.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> and i dont think doko is either
[02:50] <pochu> Mithrandir seems to be.
[02:53] <geser> afaik is he on holidays
[02:53] <Hobbsee> he's on leave
[02:53] <pochu> Ah, ok.
[02:53] <geser> Hobbsee: do you know how long?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> geser: he should be back at the end of next week.  it was two weeks from sunday
[02:54] <Hobbsee> well, 2 weeks from last weekend
[02:58] <Mithrandir> I'm going to be at debconf from tomorrow on, I'm not really here now.
[02:59] <Hobbsee> ahh, he is alive!
[04:28] <pbn> hi there, finally fixed kppp problem, bug 36655 was right, I had to uncomment noauth in /etc/ppp/peers/kppp-options
[04:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 36655 in kdenetwork "pppd dies on connection" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/36655
[04:38] <Fjodor> I seem to be hitting Bug #96566 in feisty. Furthermore, I cannot administer the group "mail" with users-admin to add users to it. Would it be safe to chgrp it to users?
[04:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 96566 in mozilla-thunderbird "movemail account does not work with default /var/mail permissions" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96566
[04:43] <Hobbsee> !weekend
[04:43] <ubotu> It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[04:45] <Fjodor> Hobbsee: Right (again). Just trying my luck anyways. And since it was sort of bug related, I tried here first. However, thanks again for the notice
[04:46] <Hobbsee> no problem - just a note for both fo you
[04:47] <Fjodor> But would you care to give a "shot-from-the-hip, no-resposibility" opinion as to whether /var/mail might be chgrp'ed to users?
[04:48] <Fjodor> ...since you seem to often know a lot of other stuff ;-)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> i have no idea.
[04:48] <Fjodor> Hobbsee: Fair enough. Thanks anyway.
[04:49] <persia> Fjodor: changing it is a security risk.  I'm not familiar with movemail, but /var/mail is intended to be restricted to reduce the chance that users have any access to any information about mail for other users.
[04:50] <Fjodor> Oh, well, I guess I can always chgrp it back again later. Also, it's a personal machine, so I the only regular user, and the others are trusted...
[04:50] <Fjodor> persia: Ok, thanks for that. But as I just said, almost only user and stuff...
[04:52] <Fjodor> Afterall, the mail files in the dir are 660, grp mail, so I guess it would actually be better to chgrp the dir to users, and keep users out of the mail group
[05:37] <mjg59> Hobbsee: If you have to ponder, then maybe it will :p
[05:37] <Hobbsee> mjg59: well, it doesnt say "you are a fucking moron".  that's a start.
[05:38] <pygi> Hobbsee, just do it
[05:38] <Hobbsee> http://rafb.net/p/3LkKkL41.html is the proposed response.
[05:39] <pygi> meh, shirish again
[05:39] <Hobbsee> mjg59: okay, more to the point, i think it does violate it - the question is how badly, and whether i can actually tone it down
[05:39] <Hobbsee> pygi: exactly.
[05:40] <mjg59> Hobbsee: I think the best thing to do would either be not to answer or to provide a purely technical response
[05:40] <pygi> Hobbsee, he's arguing me now why we at libburnia don't like trac & mailing lists, and why don't we use it all the time
[05:40] <Hobbsee> mjg59: it was all good until i got to 
[05:40] <Hobbsee> >  Lemme mention that Ms. Sarah Hobbes had been very helpful in her own
[05:40] <Hobbsee> > capacity to help me & did the update but some things are still
[05:40] <Hobbsee> > missing.
[05:40] <pygi> Hobbsee, he can't neither read or write proper english I think
[05:40] <mjg59> Hobbsee: I think that's either a language or cultural misunderstanding rather than a desire to be patronising
[05:40] <bhale> Hobbsee: Miss :)
[05:41] <Hobbsee> no, sorry, your incapability to undesrtand what's being said to you, when others in the channel can is not my problem, nor can you say that i'm an idiot.
[05:41] <pygi> Hobbsee, where did he write those stuff?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> pygi: -devel-discuss and -bugsquad
[05:41] <pygi> damn!
[05:42] <pygi> Hobbsee, I understand you :-/
[05:43] <Hobbsee> i dont think it's *that* bad a violation.
[05:43] <pygi> agreed
[05:43] <pygi> plus you have a point
[05:43] <pygi> if you need a hand there, do poke
[05:43] <Hobbsee> because if he keeps this up, i *will* end up calling him a fucking moron, in a public place, and he will not be happy.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> okay, more public than this.
[05:44] <pygi> Hobbsee, isn't -devel-discuss list only for people who are approved to post there? Or is it -devel that's like that now?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> pygi: devel-discuss is moderated somewhat, but -devel is the main moderated one
[05:45] <pygi> Hobbsee, got it
[05:46] <Hobbsee> mjg59: i resisted the urge to make a comment about the indians, as that would be a COC violation, and racist.  i think what ended up there isnt too bad, myself :P
[05:47] <pygi> Hobbsee, I know people from india who can speak clear english, and are pretty good developers, and persons
[05:47] <pygi> so that wouldn't work
[05:47] <Hobbsee> pygi: my problem with them is that they tend to think "OMG, IT'S A GIRL.  how much can i hit on her?"
[05:48] <pygi> perhaps ... but still a stereotype
[05:48] <Hobbsee> true that
[05:48] <mjg59> I think is is probably starting to verge on the inappropriate
[05:48] <Hobbsee> actually, i have some cool indian friends.
[05:48] <Hobbsee> so it is unfair of me to say
[05:48] <ion_> How big has the sample been this statistic is based on?
[05:49] <pygi> ion_, yay, haven't seen you in ages :)
[05:49] <Hobbsee> ion_: not big enough.  people generally on irc.  i'll freely admit to that
[05:49] <ion_> Hi pygi
[05:49] <mjg59> Perhaps I should make my hints less subtle :)
[05:49] <pygi> mjg59, ^_^
[05:49] <Hobbsee> mjg59: point taken.  i'll cool off in a bit though
[05:50] <pygi> good, good
[05:50] <pygi>  ion_ how you've been?
[05:50] <ion_> pygi: Well, okay-ish. :-)
[05:50] <ion_> pygi: How are you?
[05:50] <pygi> ion_, seriously tired :P
[05:50] <pygi> had 5 exams this week :(
[05:50] <ion_> Ouch
[05:51] <pygi> indeed :P
[05:51] <pygi> appear sometimes on "you know what channel" :)
[05:51] <pygi> you're never there anymore
[05:52] <ion_> Im on too many channels. :-)
[05:52] <pygi> you told me that already :p
[05:56] <elkbuntu> i figured you might need it ;)
[05:56] <Hobbsee> hehe, yeah.
[05:56] <Hobbsee> that and a stiff drink, maybe.
[06:22] <soc> hi
[06:23] <soc> i just saw that xserver-xorg-video-avivo came in
[06:23] <soc> changed the line from fglrx to avivo
[06:23] <soc> didn't work
[06:23] <soc> (EE) No devices detected
[06:24] <soc> to who should i report back?
[06:24] <ogra> launchpad
[06:24] <soc> it says it supports RV515, RV530, R580
[06:25] <soc> i have a RV515
[06:25] <mc44> soc: did you read the announcment? it is for developers only
[06:25] <soc> maybe there is just the pci-id missing
[06:26] <soc> the mobile gpus are sometimes called M52/M54, but they are in fact RV515
[06:40] <soc> uh nice ... my noteook startet beeping when i did sudo gdm
[06:40] <soc> cold reboot
[06:43] <pygi> Hobbsee, you've got shirish again :)
[06:43] <Hobbsee> pygi: hm?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> pygi: whta, the new documentatoin?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> pygi: i twitched, and left it alone.
[06:43] <pygi> -devel-discuss and -doc
[06:43] <pygi> hehe
[06:45] <Hobbsee> pygi: ignoring may well be the best strategy in the long run.  with the odd potshot to say "you're really not helping, youv'e been told the ways you can, but arent really going in the right way"
[06:47] <pygi> got it
[07:39] <habeeb> asac, are you alive, sir?
[07:40] <asac> habeeb: whats up?
[07:46] <habeeb> asac, check your pms
[07:47] <asac> habeeb: no pm received ... if its mozilla related, we can do this in #ubuntu-mozillateam as well :)
[07:48] <habeeb> No, it isn't. Its gnash related
[07:48] <pochu> habeeb: you aren't identified, so you can't pm
[07:48] <habeeb> Aw..
[07:49] <habeeb> Ta~ta gnash has an IRC channel too ^_^
[10:17] <Kmos> crimsun: are you there?
[10:22] <crimsun> hi
[10:25] <Kmos> crimsun: bug 42201
[10:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 42201 in phpmyadmin "Silly problem with a parameter" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42201
[10:25] <Kmos> can you check this one.. is with phpmyadmin
[10:27] <crimsun> I'm not sure what you want me to check; it's currently synced from Debian. Are you asking for an SRU?
[10:28] <Kmos> no.. if the bug was fixed
[10:28] <Kmos> and there is a new version if you want to know :)
[10:28] <Kmos> v2.10.2
[10:29] <crimsun> I honestly have no way of checking; I can't install anything on this laptop ATM.
[10:29] <crimsun> probably better posed to -motu, since it's in universe.
[10:33] <Kmos> i will install it to check the bug
[10:33] <Kmos> :)
[10:47] <Kmos> crimsun: it's fixed
[11:01] <crimsun> Kmos: ok
[11:05] <jdong> crimsun: would you be willing to sponsor a ktorrent SRU?
[11:06] <jdong> I've been patiently waiting for a few weeks already :)
[11:07] <crimsun> bug #?
[11:07] <ogra_> crimsun, do you have any idea if we will see support for the SiS7019 before gutsy comes out ? 
[11:07] <jdong> bug 110881
[11:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110881 in ktorrent "[SRU]  Citical bug cherrypicks from SVN" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110881
[11:08] <ogra_> i know there are some patches but dont know the status ...  i have a bunch of ltsp users that have ordered big amoounts of ebox 2300 thin clients, they are equipped with these things ...
[11:10] <LaserJock> jdong: got a sec to talk TeX?
[11:10] <jdong> LaserJock: yeah, sup?
[11:11] <LaserJock> jdong: was reading the debian-tex list
[11:11] <LaserJock> jdong: are you doing any backporting work?
[11:11] <jdong> LaserJock: I haven't done anything with TeX as far as backporting it
[11:12] <jdong> LaserJock: there is a request for texlive
[11:12] <jdong> but it seems to be some 20-odd source packages with a few source edits
[11:12] <jdong> for build-dep version bumpdowns
[11:12] <jdong> I was kinda scared to touch it till I talked to someone who knew something about it :D
[11:12] <LaserJock> well, there is another person who's got backports already
[11:13] <LaserJock> and I was thinking of setting up a repo for it
[11:13] <LaserJock> I didn't think texlive 2007 would be very good -backports material
[11:14] <LaserJock> what's your opinion?
[11:14] <crimsun> ogra_: -ECRYSTALBALL
[11:14] <jdong> LaserJock: texlive replaces the existing tex stuff (or some of it), right?
[11:14] <jdong> I'm not well-versed in tex... I've used latex like 3 times
[11:14] <jdong> :D
[11:15] <LaserJock> yes, in gutsy we got rid of tetex
[11:15] <LaserJock> and fiesty ships with both tetex and texlive 2005
[11:15] <jdong> ah
[11:16] <jdong> what would be the consequences of replacing texlive 2005 with 2007? any compatibility issues?
[11:16] <LaserJock> tetex is dead upstream
[11:16] <LaserJock> well, with tex it's pretty hard to figure out the consequences
[11:16] <LaserJock> users tend to do a lot of manipulation/configuration/customization to their TeX installs
[11:17] <jdong> true
[11:17] <jdong> it sounds pretty uneasy to me
[11:17] <jdong> I personally don't want to touch it if not direly necessary
[11:17] <LaserJock> but this one guy was able to backport texlive 2007 to feisty, edgy, and dapper
[11:17] <LaserJock> going from the Debian unstable packages
[11:17] <jdong> AFAIK all it took was recompiling sid packages
[11:17] <jdong> doing a bit of b-d tweaking
[11:17] <jdong> to force a few versions slightly lower
[11:18] <LaserJock> dapper might take a bit more work
[11:18] <LaserJock> but feisty is pretty easy I think
[11:18] <LaserJock> but I wanted to talk to you about whether you thought we should shoot for -backports or try to do some semi-official repo
[11:19] <jdong> LaserJock: if feisty looks easy, I'm all for doing it; if build-dep tweaks and a few additional backports is all it needs, we can totally do that
[11:19] <jdong> but for dapper/edgy, it is probably better unofficial
[11:19] <pygi> jdong, you're here finally!!!
[11:19] <jdong> in the meantime I have no issues with him keeping unofficial backports
[11:19] <jdong> privided that they're sanely versioned, etc
[11:20] <LaserJock> jdong: using -backports is a bit nicer as it takes something like 700MB to host the whole lot
[11:20] <LaserJock> so finding somebody to host an unofficial repo can be difficult
[11:21] <pygi> jdong, poke when you get time pls
[11:21] <Nafallo> does backports get hammered a lot?
[11:22] <jdong> Nafallo: haha apparently it does
[11:22] <jdong> pygi: I've got some time now, sup?
[11:22] <Nafallo> then my 3Mbit probably won't suffice ;-)
[11:22] <pygi> jdong, we should do a backport of libburn, libisofs, and brasero
[11:22] <jdong> Nafallo: haha, we used to clock in at 25GB/day when we were unofficial
[11:23] <jdong> pygi: sounds cool; haven't I done something like that before?
[11:23] <pygi> jdong, you did. But new versions =)
[11:23] <jdong> pygi: ooh, me likey new versions
[11:23] <Nafallo> jdong: see priv :-)
[11:24] <jdong> LaserJock: if the dude who does the unofficial backports is well-qualified, we could just have him upload the sources manually to -backports
[11:24] <jdong> LaserJock: I'm sure -archive will be irked but meh :D
[11:26] <LaserJock> jdong: well, he seems to be able to get things to work, but I think he needs to go through somebody for a while at least
[11:26] <pygi> jdong, k, let me know when we do it, so I can give you a hand
[11:28] <LaserJock> jdong: so what I can do is grab his packages, look them over myself or have another MOTU look at them, and then shove them off to you
[11:28] <LaserJock> sound ok?
[11:32] <jdong> LaserJock: sounds great , thanks!
[11:32] <jdong> pygi: mmmkay, after I get back from vacation
[11:32] <pygi> jdong, doki
[11:38] <Kmos> crimsun: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5586
[11:39] <crimsun> Kmos: it's better to tell me in #ubuntu-motu, please
[11:39] <Kmos> wrong channel
[11:39] <Kmos> sorry