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[n=firdaus@ubuntu/member/BuffaloSoldier] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Current meeting: Xubuntu Developers | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 19 Jun 19:00 UTC: Technical Board | 20 Jun 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 18:00 UTC: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu US LoCo Team === maxamillion [n=adam@mobile-166-217-047-116.mycingular.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:02] Cheers === j1mc [n=jim@72-254-22-239.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:03] hi all [07:03] sorry i'm a bit late [07:03] wonky hotel wifi [07:03] hi all [07:03] No problem. I'm just getting up from my nap [07:03] heh [07:03] hello [07:03] hi maxamillion === vidd_laptop [n=vidd@216-107-0-212-dhcp.nni.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:04] i can only stay for an hour, i should have left town an hour ago to go visit my father, but i didn't want to miss the meeting [07:04] what a guy... :) === luzi [n=luzi@77-57-12-10.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:04] i thought the meeting was later.... [07:05] hi luzi [07:05] hi there [07:05] @schedual New_york [07:05] !schedual New_York [07:05] @schedule New_york [07:05] schedule* [07:05] Schedule for America/New_York: Current meeting: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 15:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 16:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 14:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team === vidd_laptop cant spell [07:06] rgr [07:06] ok, we are 6 minutes past time ... shall we get started? [07:07] Aye. === maxamillion worries he will have a loss of power ... the storm rumbles out side [07:07] sure... [07:08] well, shall we go according to the agenda? [07:08] One second, I'm going to relocate to somewhere more comfy. [07:08] Please begin :] [07:08] ok. [07:09] Ok [07:09] first item up on the agenda ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings ) is the website [07:09] Aye. [07:09] desafortunadamente, we don't have TheSheep here to talk about it... [07:09] maxamillion: do you have anything you'd like to say about it? [07:10] I know that TheSheep mentioned that he wasn't working on it anymore because of lack of time. === adam [n=adam@mobile-166-217-047-116.mycingular.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j1mc thinks "adam" is maxamillion === adam is now known as maxamillion [07:11] wb maxamillion === maxamillion slaps his internet connection [07:11] Unfortunately, I can't make any commitments since I'll be leaving July 1st until late August [07:11] thanks vidd_laptop [07:11] i lagged out [07:11] Otherwise, I'd just hack at the template myself. === Hobbsee wonders if xubuntu-restricted-extras is of any use to anyone [07:11] yeah... maxamillion we were talking about the website, and how TheSheep hasn't been working on it due to lack of time. === vidd_laptop does not understand the deal with the website....do we acually want to clone ubuntu? [07:12] Hobbsee: i've never heard of it to be truly honest [07:12] maxamillion: because it doesnt exist. [07:12] maxamillion: the resources are there that it can now [07:13] Hobbsee: ah, i guess that is an idea i would have to bring up to jani [07:13] Hobbsee: can we come back to that a little later in the meeting? [07:13] j1mc: sorry [07:13] j1mc: of course. just giving a heads up. i'm actually heading towards bed. sorry to hijack. [07:13] j1mc: what's the current order of business? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44554.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:13] np... :) thanks, Hobbsee... we'll be in touch about it. [07:14] maxamillion: we're talking about the website [07:14] thesheep doesn't have much time to work on it, and cody is leaving soon. [07:14] ah [07:15] should we just consider a .css refresh? [07:15] is it already decided that we ARE cloning the ubuntu site or is that still in the air? [07:15] It would be easier to just use the new template. [07:15] there's a guy in chicago-ubuntu who is pretty good with drupal. [07:16] j1mc: Aye. TheSheep isn't the only person who has the necessary skills [07:17] I wonder what the other derivs. are doing. [07:17] yeah... i don't want to sign anybody up who isn't at the meeting, but i bet we could get the word out amongst our respective circles. [07:17] someone could help us... [07:17] Do Kubuntu, Edubuntu, etc. have intentions to use the new template? [07:17] i thought he had already done the theme change, just needed to add a new logo icons [07:17] good question. [07:17] i think kubuntu is going to use the new template. there's a spec on it [07:17] if i had this template...i could do the design...i guess [07:17] s/icons/icon [07:18] spec will tell of more details === Hobbsee --> bed. [07:18] night Hobbsee [07:18] maxamillion: Since you're the prime guy for the website right now, maybe you could create a specification and then we can all pitch in once you've got the framework done? [07:19] I think we can all agree that we want the new template [07:19] It is very professional, neat, clean, and lovely [07:19] lol [07:19] yes, the new template looks good. :) [07:19] The question is implementation and the question of content [07:19] so then....when will ubuntu use it? [07:19] Pardon? [07:19] somerville32: i thought we already had a spec for it? ... i could have sworn all this was said and done, there were just minor changes needing to be made to the drupal theme that radomir worked on [07:20] vidd_laptop: ubuntu uses it already. ubuntu.com [07:20] if this templete is as great as you make it out to be...then ubuntu does not have it up [07:20] maxamillion: you probably know better than the rest of us. [07:21] i saw a screenshot of the one radomir was working on .. it looked almost finished to me, i thought he was just cleaning up some css code [07:21] I too saw it [07:21] It was looking good. [07:22] somerville32: then we should get that code from him if he's not able to finish it [07:22] maxamillion: Do you think you could be responsible for ensuring that the new template is implemented for the release of Gutsy? === somerville32 crosses his fingers. [07:22] maxamillion: aye === j1mc waits as maxamillion types his response :) [07:23] somerville32: yes, i can commit to that [07:23] awesome. :) [07:23] Awesome indeed. [07:24] Thanks max [07:24] Lets talk about the doc-browser [07:24] anytime [07:24] j1mc: Did you and Admiral get to talk to some people in -doc again re: doc browseR? [07:24] no, not really... [07:25] i am just not sure what all additional work is required on the spec. [07:25] doc-browser, i like the idea, but we would need to get it sponsored by a core-dev in order to get it in main so we can distribute it in the release iso [07:25] The first step is developing it [07:25] They can't put it in main unless it is all packaged and in tip-top quality. [07:25] somerville32: right [07:25] Once we get to the that point, we simply need it promoted and added to the seeds. [07:26] a comment was left on the spec on the wiki stating that much more work was needed in the latter section, but i am not sure what all to add. [07:26] j1mc: Link? === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@h59ec0f85.c45-01-03.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Gutsy/DocumentationBrowser [07:27] "The following sections need extensive work" [07:28] not being a developer, I'm not sure what to add. [07:28] . . . once that is ready, though, i should put it up on launchpad, correct? [07:28] You can put it on now [07:29] I can even do it if you'd like [07:29] it's ok... i'll handle it... [07:29] yeah, once its on there i will join it ... maybe even put together a draft of the code sometime next week === festival_gaim [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-141-055.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:29] could either of you lend some insight as to what else would be needed in the spec, though? add a few additional comments? [07:30] main issue is a proper search feature, shouldn't be too hard to code though ... but that will be the hardest part [07:31] We don't need search [07:32] no? [07:32] If we use Topic Based Help, we should be A1 [07:32] Search could be something added later [07:32] doesn't yelp have a search feature? [07:32] ah, ok [07:32] maxamillion: ie. If we can get a stable release that can go into gutsy first, then we can focus on extra stuff [07:32] makes sense. [07:33] right [07:33] j1mc: Did you create the spec on lp yet? :] [07:33] no, should i create it right now? :) === j1mc goes to create spec. :) [07:35] maxamillion: The UI needs heavy specing === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:35] somerville32: i agree [07:35] somerville32: my honest plan is to mimic the yelp ui === somerville32 ponders. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:36] We should get TheSheep's help on the UI. He is a UI god. [07:36] he's just kinda an all around god, but yes ... he has alot of insight on UI [07:37] Which is better then I [07:37] I have nonme [07:37] :] [07:38] i have some ... i took a course last semester on human-computer-interaction and we covered ALOT of UI stuff [07:40] Awesome. [07:41] but anyways, that's a tad offtopic [07:41] ah, sorry guys... anyone have a link to set up a spec? [07:41] we need to draft a UI spec and add it to jim's spec === j1mc looking... no luck yet. [07:41] lol [07:41] :P [07:42] j1mc: I'll do it real quick [07:42] ok... then show me how you did it. [07:42] sorry, all. [07:42] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addspec [07:43] ok... .want me to do it now? [07:44] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-documentation-browser [07:44] Already done [07:45] thanks... [07:45] heh, i'm already assined [07:45] :) [07:46] assigned* [07:46] bleh ... i'm tired === j1mc gives maxamillion some coffee [07:47] thanks [07:47] speaking of .... i should get some of that on my way out of town so i don't fall asleep on the road [07:47] [07:47] ok, we covered the website, and now the spec for the doc viewer .. next order of business? [07:47] j1mc: How goes actual doc writing? [07:48] And what was that I heard about us migrating to bzr? [07:48] it is going fairly well - not huge progress, but we are moving along. === maxamillion thought the docs were already held in a bzr repo [07:48] migrating to bzr isn't going to happen, but i do have a question about getting our changes up... [07:48] maxamillion: they are in a subversion repo. [07:49] huh [07:49] since we are changing so much of the documentation for xubuntu, i don't want to submit huuuge patches... [07:49] can we have a look at it? [07:49] we're basically using current ubuntu docs as a guide... [07:50] luzi: yeah... how do you want us to handle submitting patches? just submit them all to the ubuntu-doc mailing list? [07:50] the thing is... i don't think that we're really submitting "patches" we're basically submitting new content. [07:50] at least in terms of xubuntu . . . [07:50] Thats ok. [07:50] that's patches too, just really big ones. === somerville32 nods. [07:51] i think it'd be better to work in the official doc repo [07:51] ok... we'll submit our first set this week, and then get feedback, i suppose. [07:51] luzi: i agree... [07:51] not start your own branch, and then find out someone else has worked on the official repo.\ [07:51] right... [07:51] Once you start getting a few patches in (and show that you check your work), you'll get SVN access quickly. === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:52] but basically we're using ubuntu docs as a base... [07:52] As for creating your own branch, it IS possible that you could create a product and sync the SVN branch into a bzr branch [07:52] Then you could use get a sponsor to upload your diffs (ie. patchs) [07:53] But I figure you guys will get access soon enough anyhow [07:53] hmmm... yeah, that sounds like a hassle, though... :) i think it'll work out submitting patches up through the mailing list. [07:53] we'll see how it goes. [07:53] as i said, freddy and i will start submitting what we've been working on this week. [07:54] sounds good to me. [07:54] the good news is that we are meeting weekly, and we're learning docbook, and are making progress. :) [07:54] Awesome! Kudos! :) [07:54] the patch i submitted to the mailing list a few days ago was my first patch EVAR by the way. :) [07:55] :D [07:55] j1mc: congrats ;) [07:55] hehe [07:55] next topic? [07:55] sure [07:56] Keep us updated about doc status [07:56] It lifts morale when one knows others are accomplishing things [07:56] ok. i will. [07:56] thankies [07:56] Which motivates them to do something productive too! [07:56] :) [07:58] it looks like we're missing our special guest. [07:58] :( [07:58] Disappointing, aye. [07:58] Whats the other item on the list? [07:59] More prominent add/remove in menu? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:59] well, i need to get going ... i might be back later [07:59] it will be a few hours though, i have a long drive ahead of me [07:59] laters all!! [07:59] ok, maxamillion thanks for your help. [08:00] somerville32: yeah, the add-remove item was on the list... [08:01] i think it's ok where it is, though... [08:01] Who added the item? [08:01] VincentZekred [08:02] Ok [08:03] Well, I suppose we can discuss the items we were going to discuss with Cory [08:03] sure... [08:04] would you like to start? === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44554.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:05] I think there is a fundamental issue at heart [08:06] It feels like, at times, it is the blind leading the blind and we happen to be just going in circles. [08:07] i do see some of the same issues being brought up again and again... [08:08] and to me, it seems that items of little importance receive a good deal of attention. [08:08] There is a recognized lack of direction. A lot of us, such as myself, simply don't have the experience to lead the develop of a distribution by ourselves. We aren't always aware of the resources available or the best way to do things. [08:08] Aye. [08:08] yeah... [08:09] We all have good intentions but I think it would be hard to argue that there is more talk then actual do. === j1mc nods [08:10] i don't really know who does the work for xubuntu other than jani. [08:10] I think it is just Jani and Lionel now [08:10] there seems to be a disconnect there for one thing . . . who is Lionel? [08:10] it's sad that i don't know that. :) [08:11] mr_pouit, not me :) [08:11] Aye [08:11] lol [08:11] yes ^^ === j1mc waves at mr_pouit and asks if he is lionel. [08:11] :) [08:11] yes, I am Lionel :P === hagi_ [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-170-144.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:13] j1mc: I agree with you. There is most certainly a disconnect. [08:13] Jani has very little time, that's why he never attends the meeting iirc. === somerville32 nods. [08:13] Jani is very busy. [08:13] mr_pouit and jani are doing the real core work for xubuntu it seems... it would just be good to know how to support them... [08:14] and it seems like we have people at the high level, like jani and mr_pouit , but not many folks in between that and people at the end where there isn't much coding going on. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:15] i'm not sure what all else to say on this topic. [08:16] there are many things to do : merging packages from debian (I am taking care of that since the begin of gutsy dev cycle), "degnomify"ing apps (Jani tries to do this), but also bug triaging, translations... === somerville32 nods. [08:18] Maybe we lose focus too often of what there really is to do? [08:18] But at the same time, I still feel like there is something missing. [08:18] A link along the way [08:19] I guess the question is, why do people not know what to do when they know what they can do? === j1mc phone [08:19] or *could do === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44554.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:22] back... [08:22] that's a good question, cody... [08:23] It is a question I can only guess at [08:23] i think we could tackle it in a few ways... [08:23] Aye. [08:23] j1mc: I think the people "between" could be bugtriagers === j1mc thinks aloud . . . :) [08:23] It doesn't need coding.packaging skills, and it's very useful [08:24] mr_pouit: agreed. :) [08:24] but how do we encourage people to triage? [08:24] ... through the lists... [08:24] and it doesn't seem that the bugsquad takes care of xubuntu bugs... many stays untriaged :/ [08:24] hug days \o/ [08:24] ... through xubuntu bugs days... [08:24] hug days, yeay! [08:24] yes === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:25] make people jump in and triage Xubuntu bugs during hug days === somerville32 pushes gpocentek into the bug pool for hugs. [08:25] but also . . . the mailing lists and the ubuntu planet could be used as means to give these topics some attention. [08:25] Aye [08:25] j1mc: I agree. [08:26] somerville32: what's with you saying "Aye" ... are you a pirate now? :-P [08:26] no, i guess that would be Arrrg! [08:26] sorry === j1mc was just teasing, somerville32 :) === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:27] mr_pouit: you think that would help - bug traige? this is a big need for you guys? [08:27] mr_pouit, gpocentek: What about people on this "higher end" who want to package (can package and do), want to program (can program and do), and want to help _develop_ yet don't have the experience to do so. [08:27] s/./? [08:28] A good example is the network manager [08:30] j1mc: bug triaging usually leads to have a look at the packages too [08:30] somerville32: for packaging, there is the Ubuntu-motu-mentors ML, and there's the possibility to get mentored by a MOTU === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44554.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:32] one thing that was helpful during the run-up to the release of feisty was jani asked certain items to be tested. === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-124-114.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:32] mr_pouit: I can already package but I'd like to go one step further and start developing and implementing specifications. [08:32] as cody mentioned before, knowing what others are working on would help further participation of others. [08:32] help build momentum... [08:33] bug triaging is one of the best way in actually, if you don't stick to the click-on-LP part of the job, it gives you a chance to examine different kind of packages and gives you much more experience than just packaging some random app imho [08:35] i've got to go. see you all! [08:35] take care, luzi === somerville32 waves at luzi === somerville32 nods at Toadstool [08:36] somerville32: my first steps with coding was fixes to xfce applets === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === somerville32 nods. [08:37] Ok :] === skateinmars [n=skateinm@bea13-1-82-228-105-196.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:41] so, a few things we can take away from this: bug triage is appreciated by the developers, and we need more of it. [08:41] ... we could use some mentoring (?) for people interested in developing more... or advancing their development skills... [08:41] yes [08:42] what else... [08:42] you can play with simple packaging tasks [08:42] providing a bit more prompting on what could be done may be helpful in generating more activity. [08:42] packages updates for instance, not necessarily Xubuntu related === j1mc nods [08:43] if you want to develop stuff in *ubuntu, you'll *have* to be ready to touch packages [08:43] this also means being around in #u-motu [08:44] somerville32: anything to add... there's more, i know... these are not small issues, really... [08:44] for Jani, Lionel and me, everything started with the MOTUs === somerville32 nods [08:44] j1mc: I think we covered a lot of good ground today. [08:45] i think part of it may be that people might not think that they would be ready to be a motu. or they don't think of it as something they could attain. ?? or maybe we just don't have enough motu-minded people with us now. [08:45] maybe [08:45] there's almost nothing in universe related to xubuntu [08:45] main only [08:45] 2 or 3 panel-plugins [08:45] but becoming a MOTU is possible for *everyone* [08:46] It generally takes 2 release cycles though [08:46] mr_pouit: i think that a note to the list every now and then from you and jani, just letting us know what you're working on, would be good. [08:46] yes, but it doesn't mean that your work is not applied [08:46] gpocentek: aye [08:46] also identifying any areas that need help, testing, review, etc... [08:47] Increasing xubuntu developer visibility would most certainly be helpful in regards to moral. [08:47] it doesn't have to be all the time... but ... like i said earlier, it is weird to not even know who the core people are. [08:47] and you do so much awesome work. :) [08:48] I think participation in some of the discussion (either putting out unproductive ones or supporting/steering productive ones) would be a plus. === j1mc agrees [08:48] I'd like there to be less of a division [08:48] And I think it may have been created by the unproductive discussions that occur on -devel sometimes. [08:49] yes... [08:51] Yes, sometimes the xubuntu-devel ml tends to become xubuntu-users :] [08:51] j1mc: ok for the note, I'll tru to do that [08:51] *try [08:51] splendid [08:51] :) [08:53] mr_pouit: So, what are your feelings on the xubuntu-documentation-browser spec? === fijam [n=fijam@unaffiliated/fijam] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:56] hello [08:56] Hello [08:56] it's been a while [08:57] I'm sure it has [08:57] i've got to go, everyone. thanks for time out of your days today... i think it was a helpful discussion. [08:57] This could be useful, but it would be worth knowing if people are really bored by Firefox slowness [08:58] mr_pouit: I know I am. [08:58] board?? [08:58] j1mc: ttyl [08:58] frustrated...but never bored =] [08:58] bye! [08:59] somerville32: a lot of things popped up and I was unable to contribute to the documentation development [08:59] mr_pouit, are there plans to replace/trim FF in the near future? [08:59] fijiam: Tis is ok :) [09:00] We should see this with Jani, but I don't think so [09:00] but now, once the exams are over I should have enough time to help [09:00] (at least not for gutsy) [09:00] fijam: J1mc and Admiral_Chigaco are really leading the way. They'd be super happy to get your assistance, I know they would. [09:01] btw somerville32: i dont really have the time or know-how to work with getting the xfburn issue resolved.... === vidd_laptop has no idea where to even begin [09:01] =\ [09:02] vidd_laptop: you can speak with pygi from the ubuntu burning team [09:02] somerville32: I'll let them know that I am 'available' [09:02] awesome :) [09:03] mr_pouit, and how would i do that...is it a mailing list....forum...??? [09:03] a person [09:04] He should be on #ubuntu-burning, but you can also mail him (https://launchpad.net/~mario-danic) [09:04] somerville32, i KNOW its a person...but do i contact them via telephone, e-mail, irc? [09:04] Ah. See above ^^ [09:05] bookmarked [09:06] I'd be interested in taking a look at xfburn too [09:06] its an awesome app...clean looking.... [09:07] and LITE.... [09:07] does everything but burn ISO's [09:07] And hopefully we'll fix that :] [09:07] unfortunantly....burning ISO's is all i use a burner for [09:08] somerville32, have you ever burned an ISO from command line? and did it work correctly? [09:09] No, I've never done that. === gpocentek already did it [09:10] cuzz if burning from command line works correctly...then it SHOULD simply be a matter of coding the UI button for "burn ISO" to call the proper CLI command [09:11] gpocentek, what is the proper commands? [09:11] that's what xfburn does [09:11] cdrecord [09:11] well, now it's wodim [09:11] gpocentek, but why does it not do it correctly then? [09:11] cdrecord has many issues [09:12] vidd_laptop: no idea [09:12] gnomebaker is a front end for cdrecord....and it does not have this issue.... [09:12] or does gnomebaker use something else for ISO images? === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lure_ [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:13] I think all cd recording apps still use cdrecord [09:13] (except brasero in gutsy that switched to libburnia) [09:13] brasero may use libburn afaik [09:13] yeah [09:14] mr_pouit, what are the requirements for brasero? [09:14] libgnome and gstreamer [09:16] gsteamer is alot of overhead....and will take out gxine....our default media player [09:16] yes === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:17] gstreamer also gets you the autocodec stuff, however [09:17] Burgundavia, i would rather install libxine-extracodecs [09:17] get all the goodies without all the bloat [09:17] do we have definitive proof that gstreamer apps are more "bloated' === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:18] just check the memory footprint [09:18] and then we would also have to replace our media player [09:19] gxine cant run on gstreamer [09:19] right [09:19] and find a gstreamer based player without gnome deps [09:19] heh [09:19] ok, just playing devils advocate [09:19] and i dont recall there being any app anywhere near as lite-weight as gxine that runs gstreamer [09:20] libburnia..... === vidd_laptop is off to see if he can fine a tiny bruner that can run it....without needing half the repository list to run [09:22] *burner [09:22] Splendid [09:23] in gtk2 this is going to be hard... afaik, only brasero ans xfburn are still maintained [09:23] *and [09:24] Why is brasero out of the game? [09:24] it needs gsteamer === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:25] interesting....pygi runs the mailing list for the libburn-cutters [09:26] is libburnia in the repo's? [09:26] yes [09:26] libburn & libisofs [09:26] Welp, I think this here would be perfect discussion for #xubuntu-devel [09:27]