tsmitheok i've got to go to bed, exams and all12:15
tsmitheif B-D is fine, then there's that upload 12:15
tsmitheif not, then there's12:15
tsmithethanks :)12:15
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gesercrimsun: should all build-deps after cdbs be moved to b-d-i?12:19
geserdoes it really matter for an arch-all only package? as it got only build once12:20
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crimsungeser: python definitely needs to be moved.  It should be safe to move them all as you suggest.12:26
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geserok will move them and upload12:29
ryanakcawould it be worth making a motu-mud team, since there's a pile of unpackaged MUD servers and clients out there? or would it all fall to another team?12:31
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crimsunryanakca: a subteam of motugames, mayhap?12:33
crimsunryanakca: would probably make sense to see to it in Debian first12:33
ryanakcacrimsun: maybe. hmm... yeah12:35
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crimsunwhat persia typed.12:40
ryanakcapersia: ok12:41
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persiaryanakca: http://wiki.debian.org/Games/Development may be of interest.12:44
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persiaThose performing merges: please check the +bugs page for the package, and include a section detailing bugfixes from upstream or Debian in the changelog with (LP: #bugnumber) tags to close any bugs addressed by the new Debian revision.12:49
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ryanakcahmm... what do I do if there's already a package in the repos with the same name as the one I want to package? ex: mcl , http://micans.org/mcl/12:51
ryanakca(in repo), and http://www.andreasen.org/mcl/ , that I want to package12:51
persiaryanakca: Pick a new name (mcl-mud maybe?).12:52
ryanakcapersia: ok12:52
ryanakcapersia: hmmm... I don't know if it's worth packaging... abandoned, uses python 2.2... gcc-3.3, etc12:54
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persiaryanakca: Unless you use it, and especially like it, it's probably better to skip then: lots of work to keep it in the archives, and likely lots of bugs that must be fixed in packaging.12:55
ryanakcapersia: ok12:55
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persiaMore generally, it's not best practice to package everything out there: only the "best-of-class" apps for each category, or programs you find beneficial for your preferred activities.12:59
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geserwe have currently over 600 packages that aren't in Debian01:01
geserif no MOTU looks after them, they don't get updated01:01
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persiaI wonder if we shouldn't add the filing of an RFP as a requirement for package inclusion, except where the package would only be interesting to Ubuntu.01:03
geserdoes somebody know if http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/ tracks gutsy or still feisty?01:05
persiageser: It looks like feisty to me - I don't see the merges being reported as having happened.01:08
bluekujapersia, geser can you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-mission-control/+bug/120633?01:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120633 in telepathy-mission-control "Sync telepathy-mission-control 4.24-1 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  01:20
bluekujapersia, geser seems that unstable guy made an error on the changelog01:20
bluekujawritten from daniel01:20
bluekujaI've debdiffed it01:21
bluekujaand there's no changes01:21
bluekujaany idea on how can we process it?01:21
persiabluekuja: 1) It's best to ask the channel generally, rather than specific individuals.  2) That's the result of a Debian sync from Ubuntu.  Nice when it happens.  It's probably safe to sync back, but you might want to check with Daniel.01:22
geserif he took the ubuntu package and uploaded it to debian unstable, it's ok to credit dholback in the changelog01:22
bluekujapersia, ok thanks01:23
bluekujapersia, gonna ping daniel for it01:23
bluekujato be sure that we want a sync01:23
bluekujathanks guys, gonna sleep01:23
bluekujacu tomorrow01:23
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TheMusoHeya folks.04:08
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joejaxxhello TheMuso :)04:18
TheMusoHey joejaxx.04:21
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StevenKMaintainer: Ubuntu MOTU developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>05:02
StevenKXSBC-Original-Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>05:02
StevenKOriginal-Maintainer: Martin v. Lwis <martin@v.loewis.de>05:02
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FujitsuUm... Which package?05:02
StevenKI'm 80% certain it can get sync'd, so the point is moot.05:03
dmbwhats the best way to get a folder in /usr/lib to be in the library search path when creating a package?05:05
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zakamegood day MOTUs05:15
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bryliehello, can anybody point me to an article related to creating a metapackage for the apt repository so that the devs of a project can change the name of the .deb and allow anyone with the old version installed to migrate to the new naming standard?06:08
bryliespecifically, the current naming standard is 'python2.x-exe_x.xx.x.deb' and the new name would [hopefully]  be 'exe_x.xx.x.deb'06:08
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crimsunyou don't need a metapackage to accomplish that06:14
crimsunsimply amend debian/control's current python2.x-exe entry to Depends: exe06:15
crimsunit would also be a good idea to amend python2.x-exe's one-line [short]  Description to mention [transitional package] 06:17
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brylieok cool06:18
brylieI'll forward that info to the devs06:19
bryliethe package hasn't actually made it to the universe repository yet and I want to encourage them to rename the .deb 06:20
brylieso when/if a MOTU submits it it will be more relevant06:20
crimsuninteresting transition.  Why exe and not python-exe?06:25
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_MMA_Hobbsee: You might be interested in this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=47522707:12
Hobbsee_MMA_: neat.07:12
Hobbsee_MMA_: riddell pointed that out yesterday iirc.  looks cool.07:12
_MMA_Cool. :)07:13
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lucasgeser: the cron is disabled due to resources problems on tiber08:05
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boniij #ubuntu-motu-classroom08:22
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FujitsuHmmmmmm. Why has Xorg eaten 230MiB of RAM?09:14
FlannelFujitsu: it's hungry09:15
FujitsuObviously. Even Epiphany has eaten less, and I've got at least a hundred tabs open.09:15
lathiathas it been running for a month? :)09:17
lathiatepiphany is probably using all that ram for X server resources it leaked ;)09:17
FujitsuHahah. No, it was rebooted a couple of days ago after I left it running on the kitchen table, unplugged.09:18
Hobbseehiya lathiat, Fujitsu, Flannel 09:18
FujitsuHi Hobbsee.09:18
FlannelHowdy Hobbsee 09:18
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tsmithegeser, are you michael vorlon.ping.de? if so, thanks for the upload and the B-D-I stuff :) why are debhelper and cdbs still kept as Build-Depends?09:24
tsmithewell, that question could be for anyone09:24
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tobiasschulzall MOTUs: can you check and maybe advocate http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5552 ?10:39
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gesertsmithe: yes, that's me. debhelper is still in B-D as everything (like dh_clean) which isn't only used in the binary-arch-indep target in debian/rules must be in B-D10:54
geserthe same for cdbs10:54
geserlucas: ups, didn't notice that the files are outdated (as yesterday was also a 15th). I found this service useful.11:01
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tobiasschulzMOTUs: can you check and maybe advocate http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5552 ?11:04
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pochutobiasschulz: any reason you're packaging it as a native package?11:06
tobiasschulzpochu: ??11:09
tobiasschulz"native package"?11:09
pochutobiasschulz: why the upstream tarball has the "0ubuntu7"?11:10
pochuAnd why it hasn't "-0ubuntuX" (the 0 is the Debian revision)11:10
tobiasschulzit has11:10
pochuSorry, why it hasn't a slash (-)11:11
tobiasschulzwhy a shlash?11:12
Fujitsupochu: That's a minus, hyphen, or dash.11:12
Fujitsuslash == /11:12
tobiasschulzwhy msut there be a - in the version number bofore 0ubuntuX?11:13
pochutobiasschulz: yes, dash :)11:14
pochutobiasschulz: It's the policy11:14
Fujitsutobiasschulz: Because that's how the Debian versioning scheme works, unless it's a native package (ie. is specifically for Debian; there's no upstream releases as such)11:14
tobiasschulzthere is an upstream release ^^11:14
pochutobiasschulz: also, please rename the upstream tarball so it's jeliza_<upstream-release-number>.orig.tar.gz, but skip the ubuntu revision number.11:15
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pochutobiasschulz: also, since it's the first release, use -0ubuntu1, rather than 711:18
tobiasschulzbut i've iploaded it 8 times to http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5552 while i corrected bugs in the package11:21
pochuIt doesn't matter, as long as you don't upload to the archive :)11:21
Kmostobiasschulz: you'll learn more with time :)11:24
pochuAs I do :)11:24
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Kmospochu: liferea v1.2.17 is out, you want to update ?11:41
Kmoscurrent: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liferea/1.2.16b-0ubuntu111:42
pochuKmos: already updated :)11:43
pochuI'm waiting slomo to sponsor me ;)11:43
Kmosha :) ok.. nice work11:43
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man-diCan some someone please look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5564 ? This fixes the runtime dependencies so that you can use every java runtime with it12:01
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affluxthe source package swfdec0.4 had a ftbfs due to a dependency problem on 2007-05-03, which seems fixed now (at least it works in my pbuilder). Can someone restart the build-process (or tell me who I have to contact for that)?12:32
pochuafflux: ask in #ubuntu-devel, any archive admin will reprocess it.12:34
affluxokay, thank you12:35
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StevenKpersia: Okay, a few issues with sbuild.12:38
StevenKpersia: Number one, I miss my pdebuild, since it seems I have to make a source package before I can let sbuild loose on it. Secondly, my amd64 sbuild won't build arch all packages.12:39
persiaStevenK: `sbuild -A -d gutsy foo.dsc`, and it's handy to generate the right source first, as that way one can just dput source.changes if everything worked well.12:40
StevenKpersia: But pdebuild does it for me!12:41
persiaStevenK: pdebuild builds a source package, then builds the binary from the source in the manner of the buildds, then gives you all the logs and a dput'able source to upload?12:42
StevenKpersia: It will do everything but log by default. Logging can be turned on.12:43
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persiaStevenK: You could always write sdebuild, which would build the source, and call sbuild :)12:44
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man-dipersia: time to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5564 ?12:44
persiaLet's see: first decide if it's -S or -S -sa, then build the source, then sbuild.  Hmm.  I'd use such a script, if it existed.12:45
persiaman-di: Sure.12:45
StevenKpersia: Personally, if I want logs from pdebuild, I pipe it to tee12:45
persiaStevenK: I think this is a care of preference for different automation :)12:46
persiaman-di: You don't need REVU for this.  Just attach the debdiff to 81876, and subscribe U-U-S (and I'm archiving the REVU, as it's hard to distinguish the latest changes from previous changes).12:47
man-dipersia: ok, thx12:49
StevenKpersia: Seems to be. :-)12:49
StevenKsbuild seems a little fragile, too.12:50
StevenKpersia: Oh, a complete lack of usage information for sbuild is incredibly irritating.12:50
persiaStevenK: That's one of the reasons I prefer it.  I want it to break locally before it breaks on the buildds.12:50
StevenKpersia: I was actually refering to the lvm-snapshot bit, which the buildds don't use. I've seen that go boom twice12:51
persiaStevenK: Yep.  The documentation needs work.  I wanted to have a working sbuild for years, but didn't actually get one working until the instructions were put on the wiki.12:51
persiaStevenK: Are you using the latest schroot, with all the patches?  I'm still holding on to sbuild 0.53, but the latest schroot seemed to fix a lot of the LVM-snapshot issues I was having before.12:52
persia(Alternately, Kees posted some patches for feisty schroot, if you prefer that)12:53
StevenKI'm using the schroot in Feisty12:54
persiaStevenK: You need the patches from debian bug 391319 then :)12:55
ubotuDebian bug 391319 in schroot "schroot: leftover processes cause umount to fail" [Normal,Fixed]  http://bugs.debian.org/39131912:55
persia(otherwise, yes, it's terribly broken)12:55
man-dipersia: is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcommons-dbcp-java/+bug/81876 okay this way?01:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 81876 in libcommons-dbcp-java "Dependency on java2-runtime removed" [Undecided,Confirmed]  01:00
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persiaman-di: In terms of bug processing that's perfect.  I'll look at the debdiff now (also if you just say "bug nnnnnn", the bot will spew the URL).01:01
man-dithe url was still in m paste buffer so it was easier ;-)01:02
StevenKNaughty TheMuso!01:03
man-dipersia: thanks for taking a look01:03
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StevenK(His the GPG key id the Debian upload processor complained about)01:03
coNPAnyone can help me why I cannot sign a package?01:03
coNPOr better provide a detalied howto?01:03
bluekujaStevenK, he tried to upload my package :P01:04
bluekujaStevenK, but he missed archive01:04
StevenKHe was aiming for Ubuntu?01:04
bluekujathat's a merge I did01:04
bluekujaand he was following01:05
gesercoNP: what's the problem?01:05
coNPgpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use01:05
coNPdebsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....01:05
coNPdebuild: fatal error at line 1166:01:05
coNPrunning debsign failed01:05
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persiacoNP: put "DEBUILD_PRESERVE_ENVVARS=DISPLAY" in ~/.devscripts, or disable your gpg-agent.01:06
coNPpersia: many thanks, seems to work now01:07
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persiaman-di: Um..  Why do we want to revert that change?  It looks like Mathias intentionally applied it for dapper, and I don't have enough context to know either 1) why it was applied, or 2) why it can be dropped now.01:11
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man-dipersia: the fix makes it possible to not install gcj/kaffe when e.g. using eclipse with SUN JDK01:13
man-dithis fix was never correct01:13
geserpersia: see also bug #119560 which was acked by you01:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119560 in libcommons-dbcp-java "Please sync libcommons-dbcp-java 1.2.1-5 from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11956001:17
geserand then a merge reintroduced the changes01:17
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persiageser: That's part of why I asked.  I personally think the sync was best, don't understand why the merge was processed, and don't want to be involved in an upload war.01:19
geseras bluekuja is here, we can ask him why it was merged01:20
bluekujageser: didnt see the bug on lp01:21
bluekujaso I processed it like every merge01:21
bluekujaI already talked about it with man-di 01:21
bluekujaman-di, are you talking about libcommons-java ?01:22
bluekujayou pinged me that day?01:23
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persiabluekuja: Please check more carefully for package bugs and package versions in the future.  Also, based on your comment, I'll upload the reversion for ibcommons-dbcp-java01:23
bluekujapersia, yeah sorry, really didnt see it on lp01:23
bluekujaso I cannot do anything01:23
man-dibluekuja: libcommons-dbcp-java01:23
bluekujaman-di, yeah01:23
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coNPCan you please sync revu keyring (I joined u-u-c team in lp recently)?01:49
HobbseecoNP: sure, i'tll be ~10 mins, iirc01:50
coNPThanks, I guess I can figure it when it is done, since I can start uploading packages then. Am I right?01:52
HobbseecoNP: i'll tell you01:53
coNPoh, thanks :)01:53
HobbseecoNP: seeing as i can see the output here :)01:53
coNPwow :)01:53
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HobbseecoNP: it's done02:00
Hobbseewow, exactly 10 :P02:00
coNPthanks, Hobbsee 02:00
Hobbseeno problem02:01
coNPIt is a pity I am not done yet. Can someone hint if it is a pbuilder setup error or a dependency error in my package: http://pastebin.ca/56974202:01
HobbseecoNP: means you dont have libpango1.0-dev as a build-dep02:02
Hobbsee(apt-cache search pango, and pick a -dev package that looks likely, and try it)02:03
coNPOh, thanks!02:03
Hobbseeno problem02:04
Q-FUNKstange that something would depend on pango alone without gtk2.02:05
coNPit is Openbox02:06
coNPno gtk.* for sure02:06
DarkMageZif openbox doesn't use gtk then what toolkit does it use?02:06
coNPI guess none02:07
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Q-FUNKcoNP: http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:Installing02:08
coNPthanks, Q-FUNK02:08
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Q-FUNKcoNP: no problemo.  it's generally a good idea to look at a project's homepage before building.  they usually include a fairly accurate description of the dependencies.02:10
coNPI wanted to update the package and first tried to build without adding anything. Actually I wasn't even sure if it is a pbuilder or a packaging error.02:11
coNPbut now configure is done, make is invoked02:11
Hobbseeit's a packaging error02:12
Hobbseeas in, you need the extra build dep02:12
coNPOkay, thanks. I understand now.02:12
coNPIt is even compiling now properly.02:12
coNPThis dependency was the only one missing02:13
Q-FUNKgroovy :)02:13
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affluxgeser: before you start working on the quodlibet-plugins bug: I just got a mail from gutsy-changes that Andrea Veri has already uploaded -1ubuntu202:15
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SlimGHow do I make my .deb package respond correctly to a apttitude purge  ? I guess I have to add an additional script to remove config files..?02:16
bluekujaheya TheMuso 02:16
man-diSlimG: thats normally done all by dpkg automatically02:16
bluekujaafflux, what's the problem?02:16
man-diSlimG: when the files are known as conffiles02:16
geserafflux: I know, guess who sponsored the upload :)02:17
Q-FUNKSlimG: unless your package manually copies files during postinst, it should be removed by dpkg automatically.02:17
man-diSlimG: configurations files need to handled in *.postrm02:17
Q-FUNKsync :)02:17
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affluxgeser, bluekuja: oops. Maybe the launchpad mailinglist was a bit slow :)02:17
Q-FUNKcoNP: brownie points?  what's the recipe?02:18
coNPQ-FUNK: :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes/PackageUpdate02:18
bluekujaafflux, np ;)02:18
SlimGman-di: I'm referring to those files stored in $HOME/.appname/  ,I guess these have to be removed with a .postrm file then02:19
Q-FUNKSlimG: files in someone's home directory should never be touched, as a ground rule.02:19
SlimGQ-FUNK: not even with purge?02:19
SlimGQ-FUNK: well, thanks for your ground rule02:21
SlimGman-di: thanks for your help!02:21
Q-FUNKSlimG: the user might end up installing a locally-compiled package or re-use configs with a similar package, so no.02:21
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Q-FUNKlovely updating guide he wrote, dholbach.02:21
Q-FUNKhere, I guess i'm just used to the wonders of uscan.02:22
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coNPOh I guess something went wrong. Can someone help me delete the wrong files from revu?02:38
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tobiasschulzMOTUs: can someone look at this and maybe advocate please: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=556502:38
coNPdput says dcut might help for  official Debian uploads which is not the case I guess02:38
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pochutobiasschulz: you need to create a file called "compat" in the debian/ dir, with a '5' in it (which is the debhelper compatibility)02:46
Q-FUNKtobiasschulz: echo 5 > debian/compat02:48
Q-FUNKsync :)02:49
coNPpochu: can you help me how to delete an uploaded file from REVU? 02:51
persiacoNP: Which files?02:51
pochucoNP: I'm not a REVU admin, but you can archive it, can't you?02:51
coNPpersia: openbox_3.4*02:52
pochutobiasschulz: also, you'd have to fix this: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/jeliza-0706160705/linda02:52
coNPI uploaded the wrong files (i386 instead of the source)02:52
coNPand as I wanted to dput it again it said it were not possible02:52
persiacoNP: Deleted.  Try again.02:52
coNPpersia: thanks02:53
persiaFor general consumption: REVU does not support dcut (as far as I can tell).02:53
coNPYep, I tried and failed. Therefore I asked if someone can please help :)02:53
pochuHobbsee: are you a REVU admin?02:54
Hobbseepochu: not admin - but i have access. why?02:54
pochusiretart and ajmitch are, but they don't seem to be around...02:54
Hobbseewhat do you need?02:54
Hobbseeno, revu doesnt support dcut, neither does upload.ubuntu.com02:55
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xxxxx1morning all!02:55
coNPHow can I provide a file to a pbuilder that is not in Ubuntu yet? Actually I want to compile obconf that depends on openbox. I only have a self-built package from this version.02:56
geseris aurora.ubuntuwire.com offline?02:57
persiacoNP: You can either 1) create a local repository, modify sources.list in the tarfile, pbuilder update, or 2) manually install the new software in the tarball.  #1 is much better.02:57
tobiasschulzpochu: how can i fix that: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/jeliza-0706160705/linda02:57
coNPpersia: sorry, which tarball you mean?02:58
persiageser: Dead for me (I can reach the router).02:58
Hobbseeew.  i tend to prefer 2.02:58
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persiacoNP: the pbuilder tarfile.02:58
Hobbseegeser: has been for the last week, i think02:58
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persiaHobbsee: After one is done with experimenting with #2, one needs to regenerate the tarball.02:59
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Hobbseedpkg-buildpackge -S -as02:59
HobbseecoNP: personal package archives.  LP thing.  sor tof exists02:59
persia(not really yet - hasn't been announced)02:59
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geseris the arch-all packages bug in PPA fixed already?03:00
tobiasschulzhow can i fix that: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/jeliza-0706160705/linda03:00
mok0Who is the person in charge of the REVU programming?03:01
Hobbseemok0: siretart 03:01
Hobbseegeser: no idea03:01
mok0Hobbsee: thx03:01
siretartmok0: yes?03:03
mok0siretart: Oh, I just thought it would be cool to have an XML feed of the revu comments etc.03:04
mok0siretart: There's a python module to do it03:05
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coNPHow could I check out PPA?03:08
coNPIs it possible?03:08
mok0siretart: I guess the correct term is RSS feed03:08
mok0siretart: just a suggestion03:09
pochutobiasschulz: I'm not sure, but try changing "Its" with "It's"03:10
mok0siretart: gotta go, email me if you want to discuss further03:11
bluekujapochu, same thing I said him to do03:11
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bluekujathat char is not allowed03:11
pochubluekuja: hmm, I can't see where you told him that :)03:12
bluekujapochu, he pmed me ;)03:13
pochuAh, that explains it :)03:13
pochutobiasschulz: also, create jeliza.desktop inside debian/, instead of usr/share/applications. Then install it with dh_install03:16
coNPpersia: how can I create an own repository? Or maybe add a source package to the pbuilder tgz?03:19
persiacoNP: For real private repository management, I believe falcon is the current recommendation, but you can cheat by uploading to any FTP or HTTP (including, with a subdirectory for your private distribution, and a correctly formatted Packages.gz.  Someone else might be able to give more detailed advice.03:22
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persiacoNP: Also, dpkg-scanpackages might help (depending on what you do).03:23
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tobiasschulzi've fixed the bug, it was the "" char!03:29
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DarkSun88Hi all03:34
coNPpersia: What exactly should I insert to a "Source.gz" file (I guess from debian/control, etc.)03:35
TheMusoOk. I have a very frustrating problem with a package. Attempting to upload a merged qjackctl package for someone, and no matter what I try, even using Ubuntu's .orig.tar.gz file, I still get an MD5sum error.03:35
TheMusoSid's orig and gutsy's orig have different MD5sums, even though there is no difference in package contents.03:35
HobbseeTheMuso: where does teh md5sum error come in?03:35
TheMusoSuggestions welcome.03:35
TheMusoHobbsee: Soyuz says the MD5sum of a file, I assume its the orig, but it doesn't say, doesn't match.03:36
TheMusoI don't have an email to refer to, as I deleted it in frustration.03:36
man-dipersia: when will the bugfix for libcommons-dbcp-java be marked fix released? Will be it done automatically?03:37
HobbseeTheMuso: can you dump the packages somewhere, or maybe uplaod it again, and get the rejected email?03:38
HobbseeTheMuso: dunno how best to help, when i cant see the thig03:38
TheMusoHobbsee: I have done the latter.03:38
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persiaman-di: Um.  Let me check the .changes file.  It's supposed to be automated.03:39
shawarmaTheMuso: The md5sums typically come from different timestamps in the gzip part.03:39
shawarmaTheMuso: Um.. The *differing* md5sums typically.. etc.03:39
persiacoNP: In the root of the target archive directory.03:39
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coNPsorry I might not be clear I know the structure of a repository03:40
coNPI just don't know what to put in the Sources  file03:40
shawarmacoNP: Are you publishing source files?03:40
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TheMusoMD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existent file in archive03:41
TheMusoFiles specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack03:41
man-dicoNP: dpkg-scansources ... | gzip > Sources.gz does everything for you03:41
coNPthanks man-di 03:41
coNPshawarma: no I try to build packages depending on other packages built by myself03:42
persiaman-di: Not in this case.  The syntax is (LP: #bugnumber) rather than (LP: bugnumber).  Sorry for missing that.  Please mark "FIx Released" when you think appropriate (some say upload, some say build.  I generally follow build).03:42
shawarmacoNP: Then you don't need a Sources.gz.03:42
TheMusochanges file and dsc file aren't signed, but thats basically it.03:42
man-dipersia: sorry for my mistake03:42
coNPshawarma: then how do I tell my pbuilder to use the my brand new source package?03:43
shawarmacoNP: You.. Um.. don't?03:43
shawarmacoNP: You need you brand new *binary* packages?03:43
coNPErr I am wrong, they build-depend on my brand new source package.03:44
tobiasschulz> 2) The package doesnt appear to do anything dur to the build: rule. Is the C++ code intended to compile? If not, why not? (README.Debian-source is a good place for the answer to this question). 03:44
tobiasschulz> 3) If the C++ is intended to be compiled, you may want to check the library packaging guidelines.03:44
tobiasschulzIt's a QT application, so it is compiled using 03:44
tobiasschulzqmake jeliza.pro -o Makefile && make03:44
HobbseeTheMuso: looking03:45
shawarmacoNP: No. They build-depend on binary packages.03:45
coNPYep. You are right.03:45
persiaTheMuso: I have a qjackctl_0.2.22-2ubuntu1 already installed.  Doesn't one need an upstream version bump before making an upload that includes orig.tar.gz in source.changes?03:46
TheMusoHobbsee: As I said, the md5 of the orig in sid is different to Ubuntu's, but I used the ubuntu one for the pkg.03:46
HobbseeTheMuso: did you have a bug # that you were working from?  this is a sponsorship?03:46
TheMusoHobbsee: Yes.03:46
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persiaTheMuso: Which bug?03:47
TheMusohang on...03:47
Hobbseei've found the problem03:47
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bluekujapersia, I did it03:47
bluekujae.g the debdiff03:47
persiabluekuja: No.  Your sponsor did it :)  You were helping.  Thanks again.03:47
HobbseeTheMuso: use this widely.  lionel is your target.03:48
TheMusoOk, twas me just not checking if it already existed, just like the original merger didn't.03:48
bluekujapersia, oh :D03:48
Hobbseeer, wisely03:48
shawarmaHobbsee: There's already a 0.2.22-2ubuntu1 in the archive?03:48
shawarmaTheMuso: ^^03:48
Hobbseeshawarma: yep03:48
TheMusoshawarma: I know.03:48
shawarmaHobbsee: Not for you :)03:48
persiashawarma: yes03:48
TheMusoI didn't check, as I assumed...03:48
shawarmaSo.. Why upload it againg?03:48
lionelHobse: What I did ?03:48
lionelHobbsee: What I did ?03:49
TheMusobluekuja: DId you check before you filed the bug?03:49
bluekujaTheMuso, yes03:49
bluekujawho did it?03:49
Hobbseelionel: wasnt what i thought.  i thought you'd sponsored without marking teh bug as such03:49
HobbseeTheMuso: lionel's done the merge, without checking if anyone else had first, it looks like.  or bluekuja hasnt seen that lionel's already done the merge.03:50
lionelWhich package?03:50
TheMusolionel: qjackctl03:50
persiabluekuja: Where did you look (remembering libcommons-dbcp-java)?03:50
lionelOh. I've done it yesterday yes03:50
bluekujapersia, I've pushed a bug on lp03:50
bluekujafor it03:51
lionelYou're talking about the mail we received on ubuntu-motu ?03:51
TheMusolionel: Please check if there is already a bug requesting a merge before you do it.03:51
bluekujaand someone did it03:51
TheMusolionel: No, that was an accident by me.03:51
persiabluekuja: Before doing the merge, did you search on LP for bugs on the package?03:51
TheMusomerge sponsorship even03:51
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TheMusopersia: he said he did.03:51
persiabluekuja: My apologies.03:52
bluekujapersia, lionel did *NOT*03:52
bluekujaand made the merge03:52
lionelTheMuso: I think I checked before doing the merge. But I may be wrong03:52
bluekujaso it's not my fault03:52
TheMusoIts nobody's fault.03:52
TheMusoWe just need to check before we start the merge, and then just before we upload.03:52
Hobbseelooks like they've filed on the same day.03:52
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=== persia encourages unsubscription and assignment as documented :)
TheMusopersia: Thats what I have been doing.03:52
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lionelIt's a 5min merge, we are not going to spend 1h discussing a 5min merge:)03:53
bluekujaTheMuso, followed the policy correctly03:53
bluekujalionel, yeah03:53
bluekujadont worry for it then03:53
TheMusoWill close the bug.03:53
HobbseeTheMuso: already done03:53
TheMusoHobbsee: Thanks.03:54
lionelBut I'm sorry If I did not notive something03:54
Hobbseelionel: i'd guess it'03:54
bluekujalifeless, np ;)03:54
Hobbsees been filed at around the same time, so oh well03:54
bluekuja*lionel: np03:54
bluekujalionel, qgis FTBFS in debian too03:55
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bluekujalionel, reported a bug to have it fixed03:56
bluekuja(all archsa affected)03:56
lionelI've seen your comment on the bug03:56
bluekujagnight TheMuso 03:56
TheMusoNight folks.03:56
bluekujalionel, we will wait till it get fixed in debian03:56
bluekujafor the merge03:56
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coNPSomeone up to review my brand new package (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5566)?04:05
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xxxxx1anyone here is running at amd64?04:22
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persiaxxxxx1: What do you need tested?04:23
xxxxx1i've got a "bug" of ecryptfs on ia64 and create a fix branch04:24
xxxxx1can you test?04:24
xxxxx1it's *64* related.04:24
persiaxxxxx1: Do you have a testcase?  Is there a bugnumber?04:25
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bmmzakame: are you online? I've uploaded the new ccbuild package with the changelog line added: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=556004:29
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zakamenp :)04:30
coNPIf I uploaded some packages should I ask someone to review it (explicitly) or just wait?04:31
HobbseecoNP: ask explicitely04:32
zakamebmm: hmm ccClass and ccFunction are still patched outside of dpatch04:32
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bmmzakame: oh?? Oooh.. I've only replaced the ".sh" files when doing the dpatch... stupid of me.04:33
coNPHobbsee: whom can I ask? Maybe you? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=556{6,9}04:33
bmmzakame: Thanks, I'll fix it now, if you find any other problems, please let me know.04:33
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zakamebmm: do check the build as well04:34
bmmzakame: is that going wrong? I havn't had any problems yet with that... any hints on the problem?04:35
persiacoNP: Best practice is to announce the URL here, with the name of the package, any special considerations (python, java, library, etc.) and whether it is initial review, updated review, or seeking a second advocate.  If there is no response, try again the next day (there is usually a response).04:36
coNPOkay. It is an Openbox update package, initial review. Two packges: one for Openbox (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5566) and one for its configurator, Obconf (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5569).04:38
persiazakame: What's wrong with the build?  It works for me.04:38
bmmpersia: might be a 64bit thing??04:38
zakamepersia: not that there's anything wrong, just that always do a rebuild at every change. :)04:39
persiazakame: Ah.  My confusion.  I concur.04:40
bmmzakame: few... thought I had a problem with some weird architecture or someting.... :-D04:40
zakamehehe... I've recently updated some of my debian packages, and while rebuilding's slow, its worth the time04:40
bmmHow does one check for bashisms?? I'm just guessing at the moment (I know about some things like "{}" etc), but there must be a script or something04:44
Hobbseedash -n script, iirc04:44
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leonelhello motus04:46
leoneldid this  was canceled ??  bug  115269 04:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 115269 in dapper-backports "[backport]  python-psycopg2 From Feisty to Dapper" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11526904:46
Hobbseeleonel: ask jdong, we dont control backprots04:46
leonelHobbsee: ok 04:48
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bmmzakame: I've created a new dpatch and used checkbashisms to find any problems and updated the changelog. Currently I'm running a full rebuild . Did you find anything else?05:00
bluekujaHobbsee, do you have a min for a main debdiff (patch)?05:02
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bmmzakame: I've made a new upload with a complete rewrite of the dpatch using checkbashisms to check for problems, updated the changelog and of course a full rebuild to check it all  ;-)05:17
bmmAny MOTU: ccbuild is looking for it's first advocate of the newest revision http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=556005:17
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bluekujapersia: :D05:22
bluekujapersia: nice hint :D05:23
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zakamebmm: what is in test.xx?05:24
bmmoh ff05:24
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bmmthat's my bad. A test program for the checkbashisms, wasn't sure it worked :-S05:24
bmmbummer.. I'll remove that and repack it :-(05:24
bmmzakame: I'm ready to do a new upload, do you want that or are you expecting more problems soon?05:27
zakamecool, go on :)05:27
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bmmzakame: it has arrived http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=557205:33
zakamebmm: advocated :)05:36
zakamebmm: the package synopsis could still be improved per http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-best-pkging-practices.en.html#s-bpp-pkg-synopsis , but it's not urgent :)05:37
bmmzakame: I'll take a look at that then, thanks!05:38
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zakamenp :D05:43
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zakamegn8 folks :D06:00
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porthosegood mourning all07:09
ScottKgood morning (I hope you meant good morning and not good mourning)...07:10
porthoseCould I please get a MOTU to review ampache-  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=551907:11
pochuporthose: The orig.tar.gz shouldn't have the Ubuntu version (the -XubuntuY)07:13
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slomohi pochu :)07:14
pochuslomo: I've packaged liferea 1.2.17, which fixes some memory leaks, and other things. It's at http://emilio.pozuelo.org/~deb, if you can take a look at it...07:14
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porthosek thanks07:14
pochuslomo: I've tested it, and works fine so far. I haven't changed anything in debian/ but the changelog :-)07:15
slomopochu: merged with debian? :)07:15
slomopochu: they got 1.2.16something07:15
pochuslomo: They have just dropped dbus-1-utils, which we've already done07:15
slomopochu: and you merged the changelog entry :)07:15
pochuslomo: so I didn't think it did worth...07:15
pochuslomo: I didn't, but I can :)07:16
pochuGimme a second!07:16
slomoplease do so to keep the delta smaller and save you some work next time ;)07:16
pochuRight :)07:16
pochuslomo: uploaded :-)07:21
slomopochu: perfect07:21
pochuHmm, I haven't mentioned a "Merge with Debian". Is it neccesary?07:22
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slomopochu: new version there?07:27
pochuslomo: Yeah :) http://emilio.pozuelo.org/~deb/07:28
pochuJust uploaded with the Merge message and that :)07:28
slomopochu: ok, looking and it and then uploading .)07:29
pochuThanks :)07:31
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slomo_pochu: uploaded07:35
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pochuslomo_: rock on :)07:37
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polopolohello all, does someoen know how I can import my GPG key from keyserver.ubuntu.com?07:51
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Nafallogpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-key <your key>07:52
polopolothank you :D07:52
polopoloth server is off :(07:54
Nafallothat would surprise me07:55
Nafalloyou forgot the portnumber07:56
polopoloCan I ask what you mean with <your key>?07:56
Nafalloanyway, esperanza is up.07:56
polopolowich is it then>07:56
Nafalloyour fingerprint07:57
Nafalloin my case 509CBA7107:57
polopolowhat is the portnumber then?07:57
polopoloI know the portnumber know07:58
Nafallowhy not just use the commandline?07:58
polopoloI lost my key in the reinstall07:58
Nafallothen you've probably lost the private key too then?07:58
polopoloI lost the key yes, but uploaded the key to the server07:59
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Nafallothe public key yes...07:59
Nafalloyou should have had backup of your private key...07:59
man-dipolopolo: then you are totally lost07:59
polopoloouch fine :(07:59
man-dipolopolo: private key is only on your system normally07:59
polopolohow can I make it then?08:00
man-dipolopolo: create a new key?08:00
Nafallono! it's on the system and in all the secure backupplaces :-)08:00
polopolono, backup08:00
man-dipolopolo: and backup the key 08:00
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man-dipolopolo: then you even cant revoke it when you have no revocation key08:01
polopoloback in few min08:02
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polopolofor the people who helped my with PGP, I have downloaded my key, and it works :P08:25
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tsmithegeser, thanks :)08:47
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LaserJockhello MOTU land08:55
pochuHi LaserJock 08:55
LaserJockhola pochu 08:55
ScottKHello LaserJock08:58
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LaserJockhiya ScottK 08:59
jburdAre the GNU Autotools manuals available for devhelp?09:00
tsmithehi LaserJock 09:00
LaserJockjburd: I don't remember them being in devhelp, but I could be wrong09:01
LaserJockheah tsmithe, get your packages into Debian yet?09:01
jburdI remember browsing them in devhelp long ago, but that was probably Gentoo, I think.09:01
tsmitheLaserJock unfortunately no; wired's upstream have been a bit slow in getting back to me. so i'm just gonna go ahead and hack about with it09:02
tsmitheLaserJock, wanna do some reviewing for me later? :p09:02
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LaserJockhmm, I'm not sure I can09:03
tsmitheheh ok :)09:03
LaserJockI'm at my  grandfather's house and I don't know if I'll have access to my build machine at home09:03
man-ditsmithe: just mail me when you are ready with the package09:03
LaserJockI suppose I could try imbrandon's build farm09:03
tsmitheman-di, will do for wired; i meant about ubuntustudio's art packages :p09:03
tsmitheLaserJock, nah don't worry - unless you desperately want to09:04
man-ditsmithe: aah, I thought its only about wired09:04
tsmithenope :)09:04
jburdThere seem to be references to devhelp-book-autotools in warty.09:05
LaserJockperhaps Debian got rid of them for some reason09:06
jburdHmmm.  It's really easier to search devhelp within gedit + documentation plugin you know.09:07
jburdJust place the cursor on whatever you want lookup and press F7.09:07
jburdI'd really like http://htmlhelp.berlios.de/wiki/Devhelp_Books  these available.09:08
man-diLaserJock, jburd: this was AFAIR becuase of GFDL09:08
man-di...if I remember correctly...09:08
jburdBah.  licensing.09:08
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LaserJockman-di: that's what I was thinking09:10
LaserJockDebian lost a lot of documentation to GFDL "stuff"09:10
man-diLaserJock: most of it just got moved to non-free09:10
LaserJockit caused some issues with TeX09:11
man-diLaserJock: debian still allows GFDL for main, just not with invariant sections09:11
man-diLaserJock: and glibc and gcc and a lot more stuff09:11
LaserJockyeah, but it's pretty common to have an invariant section for the license of the doc09:11
LaserJockso it seems like there's a lot of stuff that got dumped into non-free09:12
man-dihow does ubuntu handle this today?09:12
LaserJockwe accept GFDL as far as I know09:12
man-diLaserJock: always?09:12
LaserJockas far as I know, yes09:12
LaserJockwe've got some of the non-free doc packages in I believe09:13
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LaserJockwe also have Creative Commons licenses too09:13
LaserJockfor some things09:13
LaserJockwhich Debian doesn't accept09:14
LaserJockbut I think it's a bit more of a case-by-case basis09:14
jburdI'd really *love* it if free software and open-source licenses cooperated with each other instead of figthing like street cocks.  In the end, nobody wins and everybody loses.09:14
LaserJockI've never seen a policy doc on it09:14
LaserJockjburd: well, people have to define free and open-source09:15
LaserJockand some people are bound to define it a bit differently09:15
LaserJockDebian tends to take the "strictest" approach to free09:16
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jburdHonestly, I don't really care about definitions.  I hate the fact that I cannot use extremely well-written code in my application simply because of license incompatibilities or the other way around.09:17
LaserJockwell, it certainly better than not being able to do anything, IMO09:18
jburdGPL does not allow me to use a lot of software written by Apache (which produces really well-engineered stuff).09:18
jburdRe-inventing the wheel is expensive and a waste of time.09:18
xxxxx1hello LaserJock 09:18
LaserJockbut it's still the software authors right to define how they want their software used09:18
LaserJockbut yes, licensing can be a real pain in the butt09:19
LaserJockand documentation licensing even more so09:19
jburdHaving to think a thousand times before I can touch someone's "free software" and care about their definitions is a pain.09:19
jburdI'd just like to write some software while reusing some really good code and that's that.09:20
LaserJocksure, once GPL takes over the world it won't be a problem ;-)09:20
LaserJockhence why it is sometimes called a viral license09:20
luisbghey LaserJock =)09:21
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LaserJockpersonally if I were to write a program I'd probably MIT it or make it non-free, I think09:23
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jburdIf everything were up to me, I'd leave everything in public domain.  Do whatever you want to with it.  No warranties.09:25
Burgundaviajburd: the problem with that is that people will do evil things with it09:26
jburdDon't they otherwise? :-)09:26
Burgundaviabecause what really matters is the community and people, not the code09:26
ScottKFor me it depends on my purpose.  If I'm trying to evangelize a technology via a new program I'd go MIT.  If I'm trying to push Free Software, I'd go GPL.  If I didn't want to distribute source, I'd do it as a service and not distribute at all.09:26
Burgundaviaand while the gpl does not create a community, it creates an incentive to do so09:26
LaserJockjburd: well, public domain doesn't really work so well. There are several countries where you can't make things public domain09:27
LaserJockwell, the GPL sucks for libraries09:27
Toadstooljburd: use this http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ instead :)09:27
Toadstoolhi guys09:27
LaserJockhence the LGPL09:27
LaserJockI've come across several problems where a community was split because a library was GPL09:28
mwolsonjburd: GPLv3 will be compatible with the Apache license09:28
Toadstooluh gotta go, tennis time, that was quick09:28
jburdHeh @ Toadstool09:28
jburdThe GPL reminds me of this "We'll speak your native language as long as it is English."09:31
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jburdExcellent stuff:  http://htmlhelp.dotsrc.org/09:39
polopolois it a problem if a 32 bit computer package a  64 bit program?09:44
pochuI don't think it's possible09:44
polopoloah o09:45
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pochuThough it is the other way, afaik :)09:45
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DarkSun88Hi all09:56
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pochubeuno: rock on with the stats :-)09:57
beunopochu, thanks  :D   was my pet project, I'm glad I got *something* out there09:57
pochuIt's cool!10:01
pochubeuno: btw, do you have ubuntu-es.org forums support?10:01
beunopochu: nope, we haven't added it, would be great to have local forums added10:01
pochuYeah :)10:01
beunoif would be great if you could file a bug so we can track requests10:01
pochuSure, doing :)10:01
beunothanks, it's going to hard to keep track of all requests  :p10:01
beunodebconf is really taking up most of my time though10:01
beunohappily so   :D10:02
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pochubeuno: also, what's 'LoCos (other languages)' purpose?10:04
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beunopochu: should be other planets10:05
pochuDoesn't seem to be atm10:07
beunono, it doesn't  :p10:07
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pochubeuno: bug 12074310:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120743 in ubuntu-stats "Please add support for the ubuntu-es forums" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12074310:10
beunopochu: thanks10:12
polopoloMust you install the program before you package the program?10:14
beunopolopolo: it would be nice to, yes10:15
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polopolook, and I want to package swiftfox, I have a pentium 4, should I package the pentium 4 version, and upload it on the I386 section?10:18
Burgundaviapolopolo: swiftfox has a completely non-free license10:18
polopoloso not approved for ubuntu?10:19
beunopolopolo: yes, it just goes into multiverse afaik10:20
beunoas far as I know  :D10:20
polopoloSo no problem if I upload?10:21
Burgundaviaumm, I don't think you can even distribute it10:21
beunoBurgundavia: but multiverse is all non.free software10:21
Burgundaviabeuno: multiverse is only for stuff we can legally distribute10:21
LaserJockbeuno: Multiverse is non-free that we can legally distribute10:22
LaserJockheh, Corey beat me to it10:22
polopolohmm ok10:22
polopoloThen I stop10:22
beunoyou two really spend too much time together...  :p10:22
Burgundaviapolopolo: lets check first10:23
polopoloah I see10:25
polopoloMPL 1.110:25
polopoloTherefor the Swiftfox Debian package would not pass requirement #1 of Debian Free Software Guidelines10:26
polopoloI see10:26
polopoloI see not the problem :P10:27
ScottKIt's not the MPL, it's the Trademark on the name.  You can probably call it something like Swift-weasel and package it.10:29
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polopoloso, change the package name and not the proogram ??10:31
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polopoloI think I package another program10:31
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polopolo!bug 12069910:36
polopolo#bug 12069910:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120699 in firefox "[needs packaging]  swiftfox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12069910:36
polopolonot working :(10:36
polopolowhat must I do then with this bug?10:37
pochuprobably reject it.10:41
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tsmithehmm revu doesn't want to diff between archived and new uploads, it seems10:52
tsmithesiretart, ping re ^^10:52
tsmithei guess that's the cause10:52
tsmithecheck http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=4896&upid2=558210:52
xxxxx1bye all10:54
tsmithewhat does "E: ubuntustudio-sounds: copyright-should-refer-to-common-license-file-for-gpl" mean?11:03
tsmithelhttp://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/ubuntustudio-sounds-0704240025/ubuntustudio-sounds-0.4/debian/copyright is the file11:04
ogra_tsmithe, lintian -i :)11:05
ScottKtsmithe: It means that a copy of the GPL is installed in all Debian systems and you should refer to that instead of putting the whole text in debian/copyright.11:06
tsmitheahh of course11:06
crimsunyou're missing a reference to /usr/share/common-licenses/Artistic11:06
crimsunand /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL11:07
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Kmoscrimsun: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=558611:39
crimsunKmos: the Debian maintainer has been active recently; have you conversed with him regarding a newer version in Debian unstable?11:40
Kmoscrimsun: I don't see debian package 11:41
Kmosor talked to him11:41
Kmosubuntu can't have their own ? :) i've changed everything necessary11:42
crimsunI recommend sending him an email inquiring whether he plans to update soon11:42
Kmosthe maintainer can also backport it to debian11:42
crimsunthe problem is not that Ubuntu can{,'t} have its own version.  It's that we don't want orig.tar.gz skew.11:43
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Kmoscrimsun: why we need to wait for debian ?11:43
Kmos.orig.tar.gz is from website of phpmyadmin11:43
crimsunsee above11:43
Kmoscrimsun: i mailed him11:45
Kmosso phpmyadmin can only be a debdiff from debian unstable ?11:45
Kmosthe diff applied correctly to this new version and tested with pbuilder11:46
crimsununless you have a good reason to, I recommend you wait for new upstream versions to enter Debian first11:47
crimsuna good reason _not_ to,11:47
Kmosfor example, i've updated ddclient to 3.7.1 and debian has an old version11:47
crimsunKmos: yes, and how active has the Debian maintainer been for ddclient?11:48
KmosI think he isn't..11:48
crimsunright.  Now compare that to the activity of phpmyadmin's maintainer.11:48
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Kmoscrimsun: it's different :)11:51
Kmosi understand now11:51
Lamegobtw, phpmyadmin on feisty is broken11:53
crimsunwe know.  See bug report referenced in -devel.11:54
crimsunFeel free to propose an SRU.11:54
Lamegoit is far more easy to use a backported version, and I like to spend my time on a more efficient fashion11:57
LamegoI guess someone noted the problem before the release11:57
Kmoscrimsun: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=558711:58
Kmoscrimsun: i needed to remove a patch from it11:59
Lamegois there any exception case for doing an SRU with a full version update ?11:59
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crimsunSRUs should not be full version updates.12:00
LamegoMy question is, can they be ? I understand they should not be12:01
BurgundaviaLamego: what app are you talking about?12:01
LamegoBurgundavia, phpmyadmin12:01
Burgundaviasru are supposed to fix specific bugs12:01
crimsunLamego: no.12:02
LamegoSRU are restricted to sec/critical fixes, to avoid regressions, which is kind of pointless because the released package is itself a regression12:02
Kmoscrimsun: are you checking my ddclient update ?12:02
crimsunKmos: no, I'm doing upstream alsa work ATM.12:02
crimsunI don't multitask well.  If you wait a few minutes, I'll get around to it.12:02
Kmospochu: can you check http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=558712:02
Kmoscrimsun: ok12:03
BurgundaviaLamego: if there is a specific bug, with a specific fix, that is a good candidate for an sru12:03
Lamegook, too much work to fix a single bug, when there are are potentially a lot of other bugs to be fixed12:05
crimsunif everyone thought that way about every bug, then F/LOSS would suck.12:05
Lamegocrimsun, naming a blind update policy as F/LOSS is a bit of an abuse :)12:07
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BurgundaviaLamego: it is not a blind policy update12:09
Burgundaviait has a clear purpose: to keep stable as stable12:09
Burgundaviaand not "today's crap that might be stable"12:09
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