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| coz_ | troy_s, you around? | 03:40 |
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| coz_ | is anyone else here in charge of membership | 03:43 |
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| coz_ | anyone here in charge of memebership? | 04:26 |
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| darkmatter | nothlit: I am teh evil Knomer :O http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=560661674&size=o | 07:24 |
| nothlit | darkmatter: lol i'm confused at the state of the screenshot, the buttons look a little cleaner but your colours are gone and your bar has become blocked in again? | 08:17 |
| darkmatter | heh? | 08:17 |
| nothlit | the slight colourisation of the text isn't in that one | 08:17 |
| nothlit | or the 3d glow of the blue bar in the progress and hilighted menu item | 08:17 |
| nothlit | i like the flatness of the disabled buttons, makes it look really clean | 08:18 |
| darkmatter | well... its the "Simplex" build of glory... the one that was released that I'm currently using.. the blingier one is still being worked on :) | 08:18 |
| nothlit | ahh | 08:19 |
| darkmatter | nothlit: and I had a vision for "human" last night... going to be fun pulling off the lighting for that one | 08:19 |
| nothlit | btw have you opened inkscape while using glory? the button characteristics feel kinda of imbalanced or odd or something | 08:20 |
| darkmatter | its a bit darker than glory.. and with a very slight coffee tint to the overall colour | 08:20 |
| darkmatter | a darj kinda amber n petay-shade-of-brown for the glowy bits | 08:21 |
| darkmatter | nothlit yup | 08:21 |
| nothlit | darkmatter: a human human or a human glory? | 08:21 |
| darkmatter | Its a bug with inksacpe and some themes.. theres a fix.. but cant emember off hand | 08:22 |
| darkmatter | nothlit A human glory | 08:22 |
| darkmatter | kinda dusky.. softer0ish satiny shades | 08:22 |
| darkmatter | very ambient lighting effects | 08:22 |
| nothlit | sounds incredibly soothing :) | 08:23 |
| darkmatter | the look of it (though not the colours) thats floating in da minds eye atm would be the ideal for the whole glory look | 08:23 |
| nothlit | yeah dusky would prolly work much better than light tints | 08:23 |
| darkmatter | just relaxed and highly artsy at the same time.. soothing/relaxing bling instead of "WOW!!! ITS WEB 2.0!!" bling | 08:24 |
| darkmatter | :P | 08:24 |
| nothlit | lol | 08:24 |
| nothlit | you know people are going to associate pushy/poppy buttons with their idea of 2.0 though :P | 08:25 |
| darkmatter | nothlit.. not quite as dark as the toggled button states.. and not a grey like that.. but yeah.. soft, malleable, and slightly earthy colours | 08:25 |
| darkmatter | nothlityup | 08:25 |
| darkmatter | but the buttons are getting smoothed over too | 08:26 |
| darkmatter | similar to the scrollies | 08:26 |
| darkmatter | they kinda shimmer a tad much atm ( I think its the secondary grad that does it) | 08:27 |
| nothlit | yeah the scrollbars are much more subtle | 08:28 |
| nothlit | well the horizontal ones | 08:28 |
| darkmatter | nothlit, and something kinda along the lines of oxygen for he icons (but less osx-ish and no blue.. same ambery/humbug-candy(not candied)-brown as the highlights, etc... but for folders | 08:29 |
| nothlit | ahh | 08:30 |
| nothlit | ubun2 has a really nice folder icon in bzr along those lines | 08:30 |
| darkmatter | nothlit yeah... manuevering the moose is an oweful way to draw | 08:30 |
| darkmatter | nothlit yeah.. saw them.. very nice | 08:30 |
| nothlit | darkmatter: use inkscape ;p | 08:30 |
| nothlit | but otherwise masking and layering work painful wonders =p | 08:31 |
| darkmatter | nothlityeah.. I use it to an extent.. works better what with all the handholding vector illustrating does.. but still.. teh moose is evil | 08:31 |
| nothlit | darkmatter: the buttons hilight is too strong, thats part of the problem | 08:32 |
| darkmatter | nothlit the nice thing about inkscape is the 0.001 incremental adjustments to elements | 08:32 |
| nothlit | what if you took away the hilight and defined it completely with shadow? | 08:32 |
| darkmatter | hmm | 08:33 |
| nothlit | i think implied lines would work wonders | 08:33 |
| darkmatter | possibly | 08:33 |
| nothlit | i find the grid snapping the most useful area in terms of this sort of thing | 08:34 |
| nothlit | but the svn controls have degraded, theres no hiding the grid anymore just deleting it | 08:35 |
| darkmatter | eeew | 08:35 |
| darkmatter | nothlit: once all the gradients are fixed. I'm also doing all lines with fg to alpha fade (like the meny separators).. but for the panel/toolbars/etc. for an almost sculpted feel | 08:39 |
| darkmatter | like the ui was made from clay in slight 3D then a blunt needle was lightly drawn across the surface to make the lines | 08:40 |
| nothlit | you should make the next image slices from blender lol | 08:40 |
| nothlit | get a tablet and use the new sculpt tool | 08:41 |
| darkmatter | nothlitI was actually considering that.. rofl | 08:41 |
| darkmatter | (blender) | 08:41 |
| darkmatter | could probably pull some uber fine texturing with it to get the soft look | 08:42 |
| darkmatter | nothlit: If you look at the wallpaper I'm using, the blur on the unfocused areas have a very fine pebbling | 08:44 |
| darkmatter | thats kinda what I was considering for a texture on the elements of the ui | 08:45 |
| darkmatter | it has a very soothing effect | 08:45 |
| nothlit | thats interesting | 08:49 |
| nothlit | you'll have more trouble with casts and glows then | 08:49 |
| darkmatter | yup | 08:49 |
| darkmatter | the problem is in the planning really | 08:49 |
| darkmatter | once I can figure out how to work around the little issues it'll be fine | 08:50 |
| darkmatter | hmmm.. I wonder if cairo can do effects like that? | 08:50 |
| nothlit | doing the texture? | 08:51 |
| nothlit | or the lighting | 08:51 |
| darkmatter | the texture should be fine.. I can just do an overlay.. but the lighting may be a bit tricky | 08:55 |
| darkmatter | nothlit: ewwww.. its back :/ http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/57736436/ | 09:01 |
| nothlit | darkmatter: wow. | 09:04 |
| darkmatter | just when I thought luna was finally dead | 09:05 |
| darkmatter | its like a bad dream, isnt it? | 09:05 |
| nothlit | i just have no idea why someone would want to try and do that | 09:06 |
| nothlit | it was ugly and fisher-price when it <first> came out | 09:06 |
| darkmatter | lol | 09:08 |
| darkmatter | no shite | 09:08 |
| darkmatter | nothlit: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/57661216/ <-- I like that menu highlight.. theme sucks.. but the effects nice | 09:10 |
| nothlit | darkmatter: yeah that radiant glow is nice | 09:14 |
| nothlit | more spectacular with a darker base unfortunately | 09:15 |
| darkmatter | yup | 09:15 |
| darkmatter | but as I'm working with ubuntustudio now (theme stuff), may try something similar | 09:16 |
| darkmatter | as the defaults pretty dark | 09:16 |
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| nothlit | darkmatter: so why haven't you just gotten a cheap tablet, or better? its much more affordable in the long term than traditional art supplies :P | 09:40 |
| darkmatter | lol.. true | 09:47 |
| darkmatter | I'll get once I have cash to spare | 09:48 |
| darkmatter | high financial stress on my end | 09:48 |
| darkmatter | what with my medical expenses and the cost of raising a special needs child | 09:48 |
| darkmatter | nothlit: I I had the finances I want.. my box would make all others hide there /sysinfo in shame :P | 09:49 |
| nothlit | lol, if we all had the finances we want gaming and processing would be leaps and bounds beyond what we have today | 09:51 |
| nothlit | darkmatter: what sort of medical expenses and needs? | 09:52 |
| darkmatter | nothlit: I'm terminally ill, have a lot of meds to buy.. plus teh rheumatoid arthritis is teh sux too | 09:56 |
| darkmatter | the boy is severely autistic... that just adds to the "no money to spare' thing | 09:57 |
| nothlit | ahhh | 10:06 |
| darkmatter | so the whole medical disability thing in general is the issue ;) | 10:06 |
| nothlit | does the arthritis affect your choice of medium? | 10:06 |
| nothlit | darkmatter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ODskdEPnQ this is an interesting expansion of the desktop metaphor | 10:07 |
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| darkmatter | nothlit: ahh yes.. seen that many times before.. several different versions too... the original geatest is from a japanese fellow.. bumptop is the first of the "me too" thingies | 10:10 |
| darkmatter | and now theres the mainstream ripoff | 10:11 |
| darkmatter | under active devel | 10:11 |
| darkmatter | called " Microsoft Surface" | 10:11 |
| darkmatter | nothlit: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49256889/ <-- thats damn near perfectly lit | 10:12 |
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| nothlit | microsoft surface lol | 10:13 |
| nothlit | that technology i've seen myself in the panasonic building | 10:13 |
| nothlit | and the ui is very lowfat esque | 10:14 |
| darkmatter | yup | 10:15 |
| darkmatter | its cool though | 10:15 |
| darkmatter | and its all humanly interactive | 10:15 |
| nothlit | yeah the top halves of that are quite nice (deviantart) | 10:15 |
| nothlit | darkmatter: i have to admit i have a penchant for that sort of pen based computing | 10:17 |
| darkmatter | yup | 10:17 |
| darkmatter | nothlit, but since we are somewhat stuck with traditional ui.. the idea is to make it as nontraditional (as far as puters go) as possible | 10:23 |
| darkmatter | which means more "real" graphically | 10:23 |
| darkmatter | icons that are more reflective of life/beauty | 10:23 |
| darkmatter | like text/etc.. any doc type in general | 10:24 |
| darkmatter | should have the look of aged parchment (colourwise)... and a nice velum like texture | 10:24 |
| darkmatter | IMHO | 10:25 |
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| darkmatter | so.. think oxygen but less "smooth" and less mac-ish ... basically | 10:25 |
| darkmatter | but thats a shitty description | 10:25 |
| nothlit | i rather dislike oxygens exaggerated contrast for most desktops, i think it suits higher dpi displays | 10:26 |
| darkmatter | just not tango please... I mean.. tango is great so far as being a consistent style.. so kudos to all the work thats gone into it | 10:27 |
| nothlit | a "real" theme needs to be way more toned down lol | 10:27 |
| darkmatter | nothlit.. thats why I said "basically" | 10:27 |
| darkmatter | :P | 10:27 |
| darkmatter | but tango = psychotic toddler with a box of crayons | 10:27 |
| darkmatter | and thats where it kinda dies for me | 10:28 |
| darkmatter | its the whole "style that lets us make an icon in 30 seconds, so it makes us look like we have talent" thats the drawback | 10:28 |
| darkmatter | ;) | 10:28 |
| nothlit | i gotta say, tango is unfairly picked on in the artwork world, and unfairly lauded in the desktop user's world lol | 10:29 |
| nothlit | some of its icons do have some merit, and it is quite useable, but definitely not an artistic pursuit | 10:29 |
| darkmatter | yup | 10:29 |
| darkmatter | it has its strong points | 10:30 |
| darkmatter | and its week points | 10:30 |
| darkmatter | but as a design it is well balanced | 10:31 |
| darkmatter | just not "ideal" | 10:31 |
| darkmatter | like.. kill the jiffy marker outlines | 10:31 |
| darkmatter | or at least make them a shade of the icon colours | 10:31 |
| nothlit | hmm they are a shade | 10:32 |
| nothlit | its like 10/20% darker | 10:32 |
| nothlit | but at small sizes its much more apparent | 10:32 |
| darkmatter | like gion.. tango styled but with the outlines based on the shades of the actual palette ( with the new additions to the set) | 10:32 |
| darkmatter | its still tango, but improved | 10:32 |
| nothlit | but its needed for tango's aim to be useable in both dark and light environments imo | 10:32 |
| darkmatter | true | 10:32 |
| nothlit | that was all done with the touchpad rofl | 10:35 |
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