[03:40] <coz_> troy_s, you around?
[03:43] <coz_> is anyone else here in charge of membership
[04:26] <coz_> anyone here in charge of memebership?
[07:24] <darkmatter> nothlit: I am teh evil Knomer :O  http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=560661674&size=o
[08:17] <nothlit> darkmatter: lol i'm confused at the state of the screenshot, the buttons look a little cleaner but your colours are gone and your bar has become blocked in again?
[08:17] <darkmatter> heh?
[08:17] <nothlit> the slight colourisation of the text isn't in that one
[08:17] <nothlit> or the 3d glow of the blue bar in the progress and hilighted menu item
[08:18] <nothlit> i like the flatness of the disabled buttons, makes it look really clean
[08:18] <darkmatter> well... its the "Simplex" build of glory... the one that was released that I'm currently using.. the blingier one is still being worked on :)
[08:19] <nothlit> ahh
[08:19] <darkmatter> nothlit: and I had a vision for "human" last night... going to be fun pulling off the lighting for that one
[08:20] <nothlit> btw have you opened inkscape while using glory? the button characteristics feel kinda of imbalanced or odd or something
[08:20] <darkmatter> its a bit darker than glory.. and with a very slight coffee tint to the overall colour
[08:21] <darkmatter> a darj kinda amber n petay-shade-of-brown for the glowy bits
[08:21] <darkmatter> nothlit yup
[08:21] <nothlit> darkmatter: a human human or a human glory?
[08:22] <darkmatter> Its a bug with inksacpe and some themes.. theres a fix.. but cant emember off hand
[08:22] <darkmatter> nothlit A human glory
[08:22] <darkmatter> kinda dusky.. softer0ish satiny shades
[08:22] <darkmatter> very ambient lighting effects
[08:23] <nothlit> sounds incredibly soothing :)
[08:23] <darkmatter> the look of it (though not the colours) thats floating in da minds eye atm would be the ideal for the whole glory look
[08:23] <nothlit> yeah dusky would prolly work much better than light tints
[08:24] <darkmatter> just relaxed and highly artsy at the same time.. soothing/relaxing bling instead of "WOW!!! ITS WEB 2.0!!" bling
[08:24] <darkmatter> :P
[08:24] <nothlit> lol
[08:25] <nothlit> you know people are going to associate pushy/poppy buttons with their idea of 2.0 though :P
[08:25] <darkmatter> nothlit.. not quite as dark as the toggled button states.. and not a grey like that.. but yeah.. soft, malleable, and slightly earthy colours
[08:25] <darkmatter> nothlityup
[08:26] <darkmatter> but the buttons are getting smoothed over too
[08:26] <darkmatter> similar to the scrollies
[08:27] <darkmatter> they kinda shimmer a tad much atm ( I think its the secondary grad that does it)
[08:28] <nothlit> yeah the scrollbars are much more subtle
[08:28] <nothlit> well the horizontal ones
[08:29] <darkmatter> nothlit, and something kinda along the lines of oxygen for he icons (but less osx-ish and no blue.. same ambery/humbug-candy(not candied)-brown as the highlights, etc... but for folders
[08:30] <nothlit> ahh
[08:30] <nothlit> ubun2 has a really nice folder icon in bzr along those lines
[08:30] <darkmatter> nothlit yeah... manuevering the moose is an oweful way to draw
[08:30] <darkmatter> nothlit yeah.. saw them.. very nice
[08:30] <nothlit> darkmatter: use inkscape ;p
[08:31] <nothlit> but otherwise masking and layering work painful wonders =p
[08:31] <darkmatter> nothlityeah.. I use it to an extent.. works better what with all the handholding vector illustrating does.. but still.. teh moose is evil
[08:32] <nothlit> darkmatter: the buttons hilight is too strong, thats part of the problem
[08:32] <darkmatter> nothlit the nice thing about inkscape is the 0.001 incremental adjustments to elements
[08:32] <nothlit> what if you took away the hilight and defined it completely with shadow?
[08:33] <darkmatter> hmm
[08:33] <nothlit> i think implied lines would work wonders
[08:33] <darkmatter> possibly
[08:34] <nothlit> i find the grid snapping the most useful area in terms of this sort of thing
[08:35] <nothlit> but the svn controls have degraded, theres no hiding the grid anymore just deleting it
[08:35] <darkmatter> eeew
[08:39] <darkmatter> nothlit: once all the gradients are fixed. I'm also doing all lines with fg to alpha fade (like the meny separators).. but for the panel/toolbars/etc. for an almost sculpted feel
[08:40] <darkmatter> like the ui was made from clay in slight 3D then a blunt needle was lightly drawn across the surface to make the lines
[08:40] <nothlit> you should make the next image slices from blender lol
[08:41] <nothlit> get a tablet and use the new sculpt tool
[08:41] <darkmatter> nothlitI was actually considering that.. rofl
[08:41] <darkmatter> (blender)
[08:42] <darkmatter> could probably pull some uber fine texturing with it to get the soft look
[08:44] <darkmatter> nothlit: If you look at the wallpaper I'm using, the blur on the unfocused areas have a very fine pebbling
[08:45] <darkmatter> thats kinda what I was considering for a texture on the elements of the ui
[08:45] <darkmatter> it has a very soothing effect
[08:49] <nothlit> thats interesting
[08:49] <nothlit> you'll have more trouble with casts and glows then
[08:49] <darkmatter> yup
[08:49] <darkmatter> the problem is in the planning really
[08:50] <darkmatter> once I can figure out how to work around the little issues it'll be fine
[08:50] <darkmatter> hmmm.. I wonder if cairo can do effects like that?
[08:51] <nothlit> doing the texture?
[08:51] <nothlit> or the lighting
[08:55] <darkmatter> the texture should be fine.. I can just do an overlay.. but the lighting may be a bit tricky
[09:01] <darkmatter> nothlit: ewwww.. its back :/ http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/57736436/
[09:04] <nothlit> darkmatter: wow.
[09:05] <darkmatter> just when I thought luna was finally dead
[09:05] <darkmatter> its like a bad dream, isnt it?
[09:06] <nothlit> i just have no idea why someone would want to try and do that
[09:06] <nothlit> it was ugly and fisher-price when it <first> came out
[09:08] <darkmatter> lol
[09:08] <darkmatter> no shite
[09:10] <darkmatter> nothlit: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/57661216/ <-- I like that menu highlight.. theme sucks.. but the effects nice
[09:14] <nothlit> darkmatter: yeah that radiant glow is nice
[09:15] <nothlit> more spectacular with a darker base unfortunately
[09:15] <darkmatter> yup
[09:16] <darkmatter> but as I'm working with ubuntustudio now (theme stuff), may try something similar
[09:16] <darkmatter> as the defaults pretty dark
[09:40] <nothlit> darkmatter: so why haven't you just gotten a cheap tablet, or better? its much more affordable in the long term than traditional art supplies :P
[09:47] <darkmatter> lol.. true
[09:48] <darkmatter> I'll get once I have cash to spare
[09:48] <darkmatter> high financial stress on my end
[09:48] <darkmatter> what with my medical expenses and the cost of raising a special needs child
[09:49] <darkmatter> nothlit: I I had the finances I want.. my box would make all others hide there /sysinfo in shame :P
[09:51] <nothlit> lol, if we all had the finances we want gaming and processing would be leaps and bounds beyond what we have today
[09:52] <nothlit> darkmatter: what sort of medical expenses and needs?
[09:56] <darkmatter> nothlit: I'm terminally ill, have a lot of meds to buy.. plus teh rheumatoid arthritis is teh sux too
[09:57] <darkmatter> the boy is severely autistic... that just adds to the "no money to spare' thing
[10:06] <nothlit> ahhh
[10:06] <darkmatter> so the whole medical disability thing in general is the issue ;)
[10:06] <nothlit> does the arthritis affect your choice of medium?
[10:07] <nothlit> darkmatter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ODskdEPnQ this is an interesting expansion of the desktop metaphor
[10:10] <darkmatter> nothlit: ahh yes.. seen that many times before.. several different versions too... the original geatest is from a japanese fellow.. bumptop is the first of the "me too" thingies
[10:11] <darkmatter> and now theres the mainstream ripoff
[10:11] <darkmatter> under active devel
[10:11] <darkmatter> called " Microsoft Surface"
[10:12] <darkmatter> nothlit: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49256889/ <-- thats damn near perfectly lit
[10:13] <nothlit> microsoft surface lol
[10:13] <nothlit> that technology i've seen myself in the panasonic building
[10:14] <nothlit> and the ui is very lowfat esque
[10:15] <darkmatter> yup
[10:15] <darkmatter> its cool though
[10:15] <darkmatter> and its all humanly interactive
[10:15] <nothlit> yeah the top halves of that are quite nice (deviantart)
[10:17] <nothlit> darkmatter: i have to admit i have a penchant for that sort of pen based computing
[10:17] <darkmatter> yup
[10:23] <darkmatter> nothlit, but since we are somewhat stuck with traditional ui.. the idea is to make it as nontraditional (as far as puters go) as possible
[10:23] <darkmatter> which means more "real" graphically
[10:23] <darkmatter> icons that are more reflective of life/beauty
[10:24] <darkmatter> like text/etc.. any doc type in general
[10:24] <darkmatter> should have the look of aged parchment (colourwise)... and a nice velum like texture
[10:25] <darkmatter> IMHO
[10:25] <darkmatter> so.. think oxygen but less "smooth" and less mac-ish ... basically
[10:25] <darkmatter> but thats a shitty description
[10:26] <nothlit> i rather dislike oxygens exaggerated contrast for most desktops, i think it suits higher dpi displays
[10:27] <darkmatter> just not tango please... I mean.. tango is great so far as being a consistent style.. so kudos to all the work thats gone into it
[10:27] <nothlit> a "real" theme needs to be way more toned down lol
[10:27] <darkmatter> nothlit.. thats why I said "basically"
[10:27] <darkmatter> :P
[10:27] <darkmatter> but tango = psychotic toddler with a box of crayons
[10:28] <darkmatter> and thats where it kinda dies for me
[10:28] <darkmatter> its the whole "style that lets us make an icon in 30 seconds, so it makes us look like we have talent" thats the drawback
[10:28] <darkmatter> ;)
[10:29] <nothlit> i gotta say, tango is unfairly picked on in the artwork world, and unfairly lauded in the desktop user's world lol
[10:29] <nothlit> some of its icons do have some merit, and it is quite useable, but definitely not an artistic pursuit
[10:29] <darkmatter> yup
[10:30] <darkmatter> it has its strong points
[10:30] <darkmatter> and its week points
[10:31] <darkmatter> but as a design it is well balanced
[10:31] <darkmatter> just not "ideal"
[10:31] <darkmatter> like.. kill the jiffy marker outlines
[10:31] <darkmatter> or at least make them a shade of the icon colours
[10:32] <nothlit> hmm they are a shade
[10:32] <nothlit> its like 10/20% darker
[10:32] <nothlit> but at small sizes its much more apparent
[10:32] <darkmatter> like gion.. tango styled but with the outlines based on the shades of the actual palette ( with the new additions to the set)
[10:32] <darkmatter> its still tango, but improved
[10:32] <nothlit> but its needed for tango's aim to be useable in both dark and light environments imo
[10:32] <darkmatter> true
[10:35] <nothlit> that was all done with the touchpad rofl