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[02:56] <Hobbsee> hey all!
[02:56] <mrsn0> hoi
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[03:04] <Hobbsee> yay, -devel-discuss.
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[03:35] <nesl247> Is there a list of patches ubuntu uses, and the patch istelf
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[03:36] <Hobbsee> nesl247: patches.ubuntu.com
[03:36] <nesl247> Hobbsee: Those are against debians packages
[03:37] <nesl247> I need the patches against the upstream tarball
[03:37] <nesl247> At least that's what the page says
[03:37] <Hobbsee> nesl247: then you'd have to download the source, and look in the .diff.gz
[03:37] <Hobbsee> or in debian/patches of the source - depending on how much you want
[03:37] <nesl247> Ugh, That's what I'm doing, such horrible management for patches
[03:38] <nesl247> I'm really surprised there isn't a patches.ubuntu.com that has each package, and it's patches
[03:38] <nesl247> Against upsream, not debian
[03:38] <Hobbsee> there may be.  i just dont know of it
[03:38] <Hobbsee> debian may have one, too
[03:40] <nesl247> Still trying to figure out what ubuntu patched to get the nice logout dialog
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[03:43] <minghua> there isn't, either in ubuntu or debian
[03:44] <minghua> every package deals with patches in its own way
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[03:47] <nesl247> minghua: That's bad. All the patches should be listed in one location, and of course included in each package..
[03:47] <nesl247> I mean, if someone wants to use the patch for another distro let's say, they have to jump through hoops
[03:48] <Hobbsee> depends what they'r eusing as a base and such
[03:49] <minghua> nesl247: they are, in the .diff.gz files
[03:49] <nesl247> minghua: I told you, that's a pain in the ass to use
[03:50] <minghua> nesl247: they are just not necessarily separated to individual patches
[03:50] <nesl247> I mean, it's not too bad, but it's not a simple download a patch. You have to download that, patch, then get the patch from that
[03:50] <nesl247> Do any of you know what patch does the nice logout dialog?
[03:50] <minghua> nesl247: Depends on the point of view, I suppose.  It's very easy to use for Debian-based distros.
[03:51] <nesl247> minghua: Yes, but when you create a patch, you tend to think of submitting it upstream. At least that's what a lot of distros do
[03:51] <Hobbsee> nesl247: it's in gnome-session, i'm told
[03:51] <nesl247> Hobbsee: I think I have the patch, but the logout dialog didn't change
[03:51] <Hobbsee> nesl247: sure -but there's no point sending a humongous block patch of the entire debian directory
[03:52] <nesl247> Hobbsee: that's why each patch should be located separately as just the individual patches
[03:52] <minghua> nesl247: in Debian, it's a decision of individual maintainers.  And I believe (I don't have hard data to back up) the majority of maintainers do send patches upstream.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> like patches.ubuntu.com/by-release/ is.  yes
[03:53] <minghua> And IIRC, the logout dialog patch was definitely sent upstream.
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[03:54] <nesl247> It's not included in gnome yet then, trying to port it.
[03:55] <minghua> I believe GNOME upstream has their reasons for not accepting it immediately, but that's not really because Ubuntu didn't make the patch available.
[03:56] <nesl247> I wonder why the patch isn't working then
[04:02] <nesl247> Hppane to have a link to the patch. Maybe I'm missing a package that needs patching
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[04:10] <nesl247> Aha, think I'm missing gnome-panel stuff
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[05:13] <ccxxpro> hi all
[05:13] <ccxxpro> anybody there can help me to solve the installation problem 
[05:14] <ccxxpro> i'd like to dual boot vista + ubuntu 
[05:14] <ccxxpro> and i follow the instruction from the forum 
[05:15] <ccxxpro> i got the menu from the grub and window vista 
[05:15] <ccxxpro> but when i choose to boot from window vista 
[05:16] <ccxxpro> instead of booting from vista , it just restart my laptop
[05:16] <ccxxpro> anybody , can help me to solve the problem ?
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[05:23] <AndyP> ccxxpro: this isn't a support channel, try #ubuntu
[05:23] <grayman> sure! The instructions for solving that problem is in the topic
[05:25] <ccxxpro> thanx
[05:25] <ccxxpro> wrong channel
[05:25] <ccxxpro> hehe
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[08:35] <Hobbsee> heh
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[11:03] <pygi> morning
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[11:15] <Fjodor> 'morning pygi
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[11:17] <pygi> morning Fjodor and Mithrandir 
[11:18] <Fujitsu> Hi Mithrandir, Fjodor, pygi.
[11:18] <pygi> and hi Fujitsu :)
[11:18] <Mithrandir> hiya fuji, pygi
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[11:22] <Fjodor> Hi Fujitsu 
[11:23] <Fjodor> And Mithrandir, of course :-)
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[11:44] <mdke_> Mirv: yeah, we should do some
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[01:10] <Kmos> any core-dev ?
[01:10] <Kmos> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aegis-virus-scanner/0.1.1-1 -> no more supported by author
[01:11] <Kmos> v2.0.0 in development :)
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[01:13] <drlivesey> /who
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[01:43] <bhale> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070617
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[01:45] <sn0> userfriendly ftw :] 
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[02:05] <bhale> hi Hobbsee 
[02:05] <jsgotangco> hey
[02:06] <bhale> yay, jerome
[02:06] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:06] <Hobbsee> hiya bhale, spam
[02:06] <jsgotangco> hey brandon, Hobbsee
[02:07] <jsgotangco> good weekend to you guys!
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[02:09] <Hobbsee> or fireworks.  not sure which
[02:12] <desrt> bhale; from a reference point of view, yay for us.  from a "funny?" point of view: no. :p
[02:14] <bhale> desrt: i was recounting our runins with sexpert to brad (medsphere) yesterday
[02:14] <bhale> desrt: I cant find him on the web
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[02:17] <desrt> why should you expect to?
[02:17] <bhale> Im not sure, I had an idea that he did something worthwhile for GNOME once
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=== desrt finds on planet gnome Today's HUGE news
[02:21] <desrt> Huge news!! A few minutes ago, 4 Front has released the Open Sound System (OSS) under GPL!!
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[02:22] <bhale> desrt: i see that on lwn also, I scratched my head.
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[02:26] <desrt> broadband would be so much more useful if 17mbit was actually 17mbit
[02:26] <desrt> and not like 17down/2up
[02:26] <Hobbsee> yeah, well
[02:27] <Hobbsee> http://bigpond.com/offer/sco/?page_name=cable&offer=coles
[02:29] <pygi> desrt, you're lucky you can get 17down even
[02:29] <desrt> i can't.
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[04:26] <jsgotangco> hey sabdfl
[04:26] <sabdfl> hiya
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[05:29] <soc> some here who knows something about avivo?
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[05:44] <soc> how can  i find out my gpu's pciid?
[05:45] <ion_> lspci -n | grep 0300
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[06:05] <soc> ah thx+
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[06:06] <soc> do you know if there is somewhere a websvn, so i can look if the avivo developers forgot to add my card or if it is something different
[06:06] <Nafallo> soc: apt-get source isn't good enough? :-)
[06:07] <dorto> Bug #107925 was filed in April, not fixed yet. It seems to be a trivial fix, what could be the possible reasons for not applying it yet?
[06:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107925 in synaptic "Synaptic writes wrong download scripts" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107925
[06:07] <dorto> url: https://bugs.launchpad.net/synaptic/+bug/107925
[06:07] <dorto> oh, already generated :)
[06:07] <Nafallo> dorto: ubotu already said the URL :-P
[06:09] <dorto> yeah, saw it a little late :)
[06:10] <pH> i everyone, i would be interested in contributing to ubuntu. what is the better way to start ?
[06:10] <Nafallo> pH: in what way? :-)
[06:11] <pH> fixing bugs, coding
[06:11] <Nafallo> #ubuntu-motu should be the place to be then :-)
[06:12] <pH> thx :-)
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[06:20] <soc> ok found it: http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=avivo/xf86-video-avivo.git; a=blob_plain;f=include/avivo.h
[06:21] <soc> would it be enough to add another entry like "#define PCI_CHIP RV515_7145 0x7145"
[06:25] <soc> ok, seems i have to change the headerfile and things in avivo.c
[06:25] <soc> will i be able to damage my hardware by adding another (maybe) gpu to the accepted id's?
[06:27] <soc> ... another (maybe compatible) gpu to the accepted id's?
[06:30] <mjr> shouldn't
[06:30] <soc> ah ok
[06:30] <soc> then i'll try it
[06:31] <mjr> people have done that all the time with atis ;] 
[06:31] <soc> i downloaded the source with apt-get source
[06:31] <soc> will debuild be enough to rebuild the package?
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[06:35] <soc> mjr:
[06:36] <soc> mjr: i installed the modified package ... i'll hope your right :-/
[06:38] <pygi> hey Zdra 
[06:38] <Zdra> hello :)
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[06:40] <soc> omg ...
[06:40] <soc> i saw something
[06:40] <soc> i added my card and saw something graphical with it ...
[06:40] <soc> i switched it off panically
[06:40] <soc> ok i'll try again ...
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[06:41] <soc> maybe some psychological support?!?!
[06:41] <soc> i could need that now
[06:42] <soc> ok, resolution is fucked up ...
[06:42] <soc> but it seems to work ...
[06:42] <soc> i saw gdm approximatley 3 times ,,,
[06:43] <soc> can somebody help me?
[06:43] <soc> please?
[06:44] <soc> where is the original author of avivo?
[06:44] <Hobbsee> !weekend
[06:44] <ubotu> It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[06:45] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure this is an appropriate channel, either.
[06:46] <pygi> Hobbsee, good morning kid :)
[06:46] <Hobbsee> hiya
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[06:47] <pygi> Hobbsee, you good? :)
[06:47] <Hobbsee> yeah. 
[06:47] <pygi> perfect ^_^
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[06:48] <soc> yeah ok ...
[06:48] <soc> it seems to kind of work ...
[06:48] <soc> does someone have the email/im of jerome glisse?
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[06:48] <soc> he seems to be one of the developers
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=== Hobbsee suggests launchpad, or google, might be an appropriate place to look
=== Hobbsee also notes that this is not the appropriate channel.
[06:49] <soc> ok, so where should i go?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> #ubuntu+1, probably
[06:51] <Hobbsee> seeing as it's gusty
[06:51] <Hobbsee> er, gutsy
[06:51] <Hobbsee> maybe to the relevant channels for what you're working on - google might be able to tell you if there's an applicable irc channel
[06:51] <mc44> soc: why don't you read http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-June/025506.html and http://www.fooishbar.org/blog/2007/Jun/15#donations-2007-06-15-00-09
[06:52] <soc> ah thx
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[07:26] <pygi> Hobbsee, back to bug you
[07:27] <Hobbsee> oh noes!!
[07:27] <pygi> :)
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[09:12] <alex-weej> what is the partitioning library used by ubiquity?
[09:13] <alex-weej> does it share code with GPartEd?
[09:13] <alex-weej> i ask as GPartEd 0.3 supports moving file systems, which is incredibly useful when installing
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[09:18] <LaserJock> I thought it used parted but I don't know if that's changed
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[11:49] <Kmos> http://dad.dunnewind.net/main.php
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