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gnomefreakasac: sorry so late but yes i confirm it fixes it. does that make it vlc or glib issue? if glib can we send it up for desktop team or atleast notify them that it is the issue.02:52
gnomefreakasac: bug 120621 can use your thoughts when you get time. i told him id talk to you monday but i tell you know before i forget.02:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120621 in gnash "[gutsy] gnash 0.8.0 will not play youtube, auto codec installation not working, other videos not working" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12062102:58
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gnomefreakim out for the night03:02
hjmfnight03:48
Admiral_Chicagowhat a _long_ day03:49
Admiral_Chicagoi'm beat03:49
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Fjodor'morning all. How would any of you guys feel about implementing a different locking mechanism in thunderbird's internal movemail, or, alternatively, implement support for external movemail? That would be my proposed fixes for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/96566 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5667110:23
ubotuMozilla bug 56671 in MailNews: Movemail "support external movemail handlers" [Normal,New] 10:23
FjodorNote the low bug ID of the mozilla bug. It's almost 7 years old...10:24
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gnomefreakFjodor: that is something upsteam need to implement im very doubtful that we will beable to do anything. I marked the bug to the upstream bug. Whatever/whenever they decide is up to them02:53
gnomefreakbbiab03:08
Fjodorgnomefreak: Ok, thanks03:41
gnomefreakyw03:46
gnomefreakasac: you around yet?03:48
gnomefreakasac: bug 120844 is the vlc issue i asked user to run the command (can you give me idea on if its glib caused or vlc? or feel free to comment on bug :)03:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120844 in vlc "vlc crashes at start" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12084403:49
=== gnomefreak just filed first bug against iceape :) (only wish list)
asachi05:12
gnomefreakhi05:12
asacjust in for a few minutes05:12
asaclet me see05:12
gnomefreakgnash bugs need you ;) i think its his system tbh05:12
asacgnash bugs?05:12
asaclets see :)05:13
gnomefreakasac: bug 12062105:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120621 in gnash "[gutsy] gnash 0.8.0 will not play youtube, auto codec installation not working, other videos not working" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12062105:14
gnomefreakthan the vlc above05:14
asacyeah05:14
asacthats his system05:14
asache was the first to post reply in forum05:15
asaclike *nothing* works05:15
asacwhich can't be true ... so he probably has feisty or something and didn't understand that you need a gutsy install that has no broken apt database state.05:15
gnomefreakwhat do we do? tell him to reformat?05:15
asacdid you reply on it?05:15
gnomefreaknot since his last reply05:16
gnomefreakbut yes i have been repling on it to find source of issue05:16
asacdamn ... that bugs is already really grown up05:16
asacloads of discussion :)05:16
gnomefreakyep :)05:16
gnomefreaktrying to get something to go on and nothing05:16
gnomefreakits seems you also have a depends conflict with gnash05:17
gnomefreakbug 120685 i didnt look into this really that hard since i didnt feel like grabbing source for it yet05:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120685 in gnash "Gnash broken dependency" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12068505:18
asacgnomefreak: i commented on that bug right now05:18
gnomefreakand who the hell said we were bring swiftfox into repos05:18
asacnot me :)05:18
asacwho claims?05:18
gnomefreaktheres a need=packaging bug05:18
gnomefreakbug 12069905:19
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120699 in firefox "[needs packaging]  swiftfox" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12069905:19
asacgnomefreak: what is the standard procedure to request new packages in ubuntu?05:20
asaci only know how it works on debian :)05:20
gnomefreaki say no its really not much faster than iceape or firefox and we will end up with bugs == when i have firefox opena nd i open swiftfox it says firefox05:20
asacmaybe its ok to have such a bug ... but it definitly shouldn't be associated with firefox05:20
gnomefreakasac: let me see if i can find it05:20
gnomefreakbut whatever one is open will be what new one is run05:20
asacimo its non of our business  ... unless there has been a spec approved that was properly evaluated and state hard facts why we need swiftfox05:21
asac... but even then ... its probably not against firefox :)05:21
asacgnomefreak: do you see if libboost-date-time1.33.1 isn't in the archive anymore?05:22
gnomefreakThanks for your report. Your idea might get more attention and have the possibility of being implemented if you submit a specification for it. First check whether the idea is already registered <https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs>, and if so, contact the specification's drafter about your ideas. Otherwise, you can start writing a spec yourself. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureSpecifications>05:23
gnomefreakit is not in repos anymore05:23
gnomefreaklibboost-date-time-dev or libboost-date-time1.34.0 is it05:24
asacgnomefreak: does gnash really depend on 1.33 ?05:25
gnomefreaknot from here05:25
gnomefreakDepends: libc6 (>= 2.5-5), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2-20070516), libgnash0 (= 0.8.0~cvs20070611.1016-1ubuntu2), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2-20070516)05:25
gnomefreakmaybe a rdepend?05:25
asachmmm ... maybe a build-depend05:26
asacbecause he wants -dev packages ... maybe that reasonable05:26
gnomefreakno05:26
gnomefreakmaybe05:26
gnomefreakwant me to grab source update the build-dep and build?05:26
asacno ... i can look :)05:26
gnomefreakok05:26
asaci already have it here ;)05:26
asaci am just a lazy man :)05:27
gnomefreaklol05:27
asacyeah05:28
asacit really depends on libboosst ...05:29
asacits libgnas005:29
asaclibgnash005:29
asacthat depends on it05:29
gnomefreakah05:29
asacsee ... thats what happens if upstream authors don't give a shit about binary compatibility05:29
asacnow we need a rebuild05:29
gnomefreakyep05:29
asac(though i am not sure where the other libs are gone)05:29
asacusually they should not be removed if there are packages depending on it05:29
asacprobably an archive-admin bug05:29
asacgnomefreak: interesting05:30
gnomefreakyou will end up redoing the depends at this point since another depend depends on it05:30
asacmy local build depends on libboost-date-time1.34.005:30
asacwhere does it depend on 1.33 ?05:30
asacon what architecture?05:30
asaci386?05:30
gnomefreaki dont have source05:30
asacyeah05:30
asacgnomefreak: can you please look what apt-cache show libgnash005:30
asacprints out05:30
asace.g. which version of boost05:30
asac?=05:30
gnomefreaklibboost-date-time1.34.0 (>= 1.34.0~rc2-1) libboost-thread1.34.0 (>= 1.34.0~rc2-1)05:31
gnomefreakwtf is he talking about than05:31
asacyeah05:31
asaci have no idea05:32
asacmaybe someone build a backport for feisty?05:32
gnomefreakcan you please pastte the depends to the bug and ask what he means05:32
asacah ... maybe he wants to install in feisty05:32
gnomefreakwouldnt know05:32
asacand its the other way around: no libboost-date-time1.34.0 available there .)05:32
gnomefreakcant for feisty05:32
asaci think thats what the issue is about05:32
gnomefreaktoo much trouble05:32
asache complains that he cannot install gnash in feisty :)05:32
gnomefreakno wait05:32
asac(e.g. if taken from gutsy repo)05:32
gnomefreakGutsy Gibbon latest05:33
asacgnomefreak: maybe we can push this to our preview archive?05:33
gnomefreakx86 (32bit)05:33
asachmm05:33
asacanyway in forum there are lots of people trying to use in feisty05:33
gnomefreakasac: i can but that is what he stated when i asked arch and version05:33
asacmaybe we should provide them with food?05:33
gnomefreakwith 1.34.0?05:33
asacno .. if you build in feisty it will automatically have the right depends (on 1.33)05:34
gnomefreakgood05:34
gnomefreakok yeah ill do that than05:34
gnomefreakwhat is source gnash?05:34
asacyes just gnash05:34
asacits in bzr as well05:34
asacbut i think apt-get source gnash05:34
asacis ok for this one build05:34
gnomefreakyeah its easier05:35
asaclets append ~mt1 to the version05:35
gnomefreakill have it done sometime today/tommor05:35
gnomefreakok05:35
asac0.8.0~cvs20070611.1016-1ubuntu2~mt105:35
asacgnomefreak: wait i send you the changelog05:36
asacso we have identical ones for our build05:36
gnomefreaknothing more i need to build?05:36
gnomefreakasac: ok05:36
asacno05:36
asacjust gnash :)05:36
gnomefreakcool05:36
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gnomefreakbrb smoke05:37
asachttp://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/changelog05:37
gnomefreakreplace whole changelog or just peices?05:42
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asacgnomefreak: just replace all05:43
gnomefreakk05:43
gnomefreakE: Build-dependencies for gnash could not be satisfied.05:45
gnomefreaklol05:45
asacyeah05:45
gnomefreakmaybe tomorrow it will be done05:45
asache?05:45
asacif you want to stop its ok ... otherwise replace libxul-dev | mozilla-dev with just firefox-dev in control :)05:45
gnomefreakoh thats all that is needed?05:46
asacyes05:46
asacthen all build-depends can be installed05:46
gnomefreakah05:47
gnomefreakdone lets see05:47
asacgnomefreak: remember to remove the preview archive from your source.list and run apt-get update05:47
asacbefore building05:47
gnomefreakyes05:47
asacotherwise it might pull in dependencies on preview archive firefox05:47
asac(which we probably don't want)05:47
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asacgnomefreak: actually before installing firefox-dev :)05:47
gnomefreakdont we want that if we want it to work with firefox05:48
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asaci even doubt that all thos build-depends are needed05:48
asac(e.g. firefox-dev is probabyl not needed because gnash ships its own nsplugin api headers05:48
asac)05:48
asacgnomefreak: we don't want it to require preview firefox05:48
asac... just plain feisty one05:48
gnomefreakoh thats right05:49
asacso be sure that you have plain feisty firefox-dev install05:49
gnomefreakits newer05:49
asacand of course firefox05:49
asacright!05:49
gnomefreaki think i pulled ff out anyway05:49
asacgood05:49
gnomefreakstill no good05:49
asacwhy?05:51
asacinstall the build depends manually05:51
asacyou cannot use apt-get build-dep05:51
gnomefreaki have to and im working on it05:51
asacgnomefreak: can you upload just to some dir? i think i will create a directory on people.ubuntu.com ... so people don't accidentially upgrade their firefox et al :)05:57
gnomefreakthere is no firefox in the repo at all05:57
asacotherwise we might cause a snowball rolling :)05:57
gnomefreakwell trunk05:57
asachmm05:57
asacthere is ... it downloaded a firefox-dev package05:57
asac(which is why i had to comment your repo out in my feisty chroot)05:57
gnomefreakit shouldnt have maybe i forgot to remove -dev05:58
gnomefreakill look at it and get rid of peices that are left05:58
asacok fine05:59
gnomefreakbrb need shower while im downloading depends06:01
asacgnomefreak: tell me where i should push06:01
asacjust to feisty mozillateam?06:01
gnomefreakyeah06:02
asacok ... i will push things to amd64 directory06:02
asacwill you move the sources to proper directory then?06:02
gnomefreakyes06:02
asacgnomefreak: so you don't need to upload sources :)06:02
gnomefreakyou pushing to incoming?06:02
gnomefreakor into the dir?06:03
gnomefreakbbs06:05
asacgnomefreak: i push to the binary-amd64 dir06:10
asacgnomefreak: please lets not use that directory ... it has thunderbird 2.0 ... and things like that06:17
asaci really don't want to push them to use that06:18
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asaci uploaded to that place anyway ... you can upload there as well06:18
asaci am fine if gnash stays in that directory06:18
asacbut i will pull gnash files over to my people.ubuntu.com account06:18
asaci will educate users about both options ... so if some want to use feisty backports, then fine as well06:19
asacgnomefreak: read above :)06:19
asac;)06:19
asac:-P06:19
gnomefreakconfused06:22
gnomefreakyou want me to push to your people.ubuntu.com?06:22
gnomefreaki push to archive and you copy them to wher eyou want them?06:24
asacgnomefreak: no push as normal06:26
asaci will copy over06:26
asacand announce both06:26
asac(telling about the risk of getting new packages without prenotice :))06:26
asacwhen using mozillateam archive06:26
gnomefreakk06:27
asacgnomefreak: can you tell the keyid of the key you use to sign our feisty archive?06:27
asacif people want to use the archive they might want to install your key with apt-key06:28
asac:)06:28
asacso they don't get annoying warnings06:28
gnomefreakhow it didnt work last time06:28
gnomefreakits on my LP page i dont know how to set it up so they can grab it.06:28
asache?06:31
asacgnomefreak: you don't have to do anything06:31
asacits just that you have to name the keyid06:31
bluekujaheya asac06:31
bluekuja:)06:31
asacand maybe the fingerpring06:31
asacbluekuja: evening06:31
bluekujaasac: I'm trying to make gmail working with thunderbird 2-006:31
bluekuja*2.006:31
asacbluekuja: does the wizard exist?06:31
bluekujabut it doesnt connect well to pop06:31
bluekujaasac: yeah06:32
asacbluekuja: ok fine ;)06:32
asacbluekuja: maybe its gmail server that is slow06:32
bluekujamm..yeah06:32
bluekujathat can be a possible solutions06:32
asacat least i experience really slow mail downloading when using evolution ;)06:32
bluekuja*solution06:32
bluekujastrange with thunderbird06:32
asachehe ... solution -> no solution avail06:32
bluekujalol06:33
asacdoes it work06:33
asac?06:33
asacor completely broken?06:33
bluekujaasac: what?06:34
gnomefreakbeen there already06:34
gnomefreakignore that06:34
asacbluekuja: does gmail work?06:34
asacbluekuja: e.g. just slow06:34
bluekujaasac: nope06:34
bluekujait doesnt work06:34
bluekujacompletely broken06:34
bluekujahere06:34
gnomefreakmine works06:34
asachmm ... and if you setup pop3 account old fashion?06:35
bluekujagnomefreak, on thunderbird?06:35
asacbluekuja: ^^06:35
gnomefreaktbird 2 in gutsy works06:35
bluekujagnomefreak, which port did you use?06:35
gnomefreakfor incoming?06:35
bluekujaya06:35
asacbluekuja: you use feisty build from preview archive?06:35
gnomefreakbluekuja: set it to ssl and it will set it for you06:35
gnomefreakits 995 or something like that06:35
bluekujaasac: granparadiso has got broken fonts in gutsy06:35
asacbluekuja: yeah ... that is probably known :)06:35
bluekujaasac: nope, gutsy one06:36
bluekuja:)06:36
bluekujajust upgradede06:36
bluekuja*upgraded06:36
asacbluekuja: does it happen on trunk package as well?06:36
gnomefreakbluekuja: incomming 995 outgoing 58706:36
asacgnomefreak: how current is trunk?06:36
gnomefreakasac: 15th?06:37
asacgnomefreak: which date is last snapshot?06:37
bluekujaasac: granparadiso you mean?06:37
asachmm ok that is decent06:37
asacbluekuja: please try if that same behaviour is in firefox-trunk06:37
bluekujaasac: I'm using trunk one06:37
asac-trunk ... or -granparadiso?06:37
asacoh06:37
asacok06:37
asacdoes it happen in -granparadiso too?06:37
bluekujayup06:37
gnomefreakbluekuja: there are 2 different builds one trunk one gran..06:38
bluekujagnomefreak, yeah I know :)06:38
asachttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Firefox&component=Places&target_milestone=Firefox+3+alpha6&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&resolution=---&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_06:38
asacthat is the list of blockers for alpha606:38
asacif its not in there it doesn't mean much06:38
asacbut it could be an indicator that they might not be aware06:38
bluekujagnomefreak, works now tnx06:39
bluekujaone of the others account06:39
bluekujawasnt correctly configured06:40
gnomefreakasac: the vlc is a problem in vlc?06:40
asacno if the workaround helps, then its glib06:40
asac... as expected06:40
gnomefreakglib issue06:40
asaci will confirm that seb is aware about this tomorrow06:40
gnomefreakok06:41
asac... but i guess that he probably already is :)06:41
asac... given the amount of crashes this appears to cause06:41
asac;)06:41
gnomefreakasac: last i heard he stated its the apps not glib06:46
asacyeah ... then it will change i guess :)06:46
gnomefreaki hope so06:46
gnomefreakand he either needs to hide the warning or make it not give it06:47
gnomefreakIMHO06:47
asacbut as i said ... its reasonable to push back claims that known-to-be-stable lib causes issues06:47
asac:)06:47
asaconce hard facts arrive you can investigate06:47
gnomefreaktrue06:47
asacotherwise you would investigate all the time :)06:47
asacand mostly find its app fault06:47
gnomefreaki can sit here all day for 8 months testing crap its easier to find one app and fix them all :)06:47
asacyeah ... but for that the app needs the potential to fix them .. and that is only case if that lib is really the cause for the trouble.06:54
asacdoing evaluation down the stream in apps first is definitly sane :)06:54
gnomefreaktrue06:54
asacof course if you see lot of breakage suddenly popping up after an upload you should try to investigate closer :)06:54
gnomefreakits still building, i will upload when i get home, got to run out for a bit.06:55
asacgood06:55
asaclet me know06:55
asacgo out as well for a few hours now06:55
gnomefreakk06:56
asaccu06:59
gnomefreakcu06:59
asacgnomefreak: do we (as in mozillateam) take care for gnash as well?07:48
asaci ask that because i saw that you assigned to mozilla-bugs07:48
asacis it on our supported packages list?07:48
asacok its listed here https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam07:49
asacso ok07:49
asacall fine07:49
asacnevermind07:49
asacok out again07:49
gnomefreakasac: plugins and gecko related i believe is ours08:05
gnomefreakbut i could be mistaken08:05
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gnomefreakasac: everything is up in repo ready to grab i also moved the sources in binary64 to sources :)08:24
gnomefreakasac: i found out why ff was still there; i didnt remove them from 64 binary :(08:30
gnomefreakthey are gone now08:30
gnomefreaktrunk is borked in feisty preview im fixing it now08:50
asactrunk borked because it doesn't build or what?09:48
asacgnomefreak: ?09:48
asacgnomefreak: do the feisty gnash packages work for you?09:57
asacgnomefreak: can you please remove libgnash0 and friends from your feisty install10:05
asacand try to install with the following line in sources.list10:05
asacdeb http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/gnash-feisty/ ./10:06
asacjust want to be sure that packages get properly installed from that location10:06
asacbefore i post it :)10:06
asachmm10:08
asachttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474596&page=210:08
asacthose people keep getting the "cannot be installed" message for -uigly10:08
asac-ugly10:08
asacany idea how this can be?10:09
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Admiral_Chicagohmm anyone who this Alex Jones person is10:40
Admiral_Chicagoi notice him triaging bugs, but he confirmed a bug improperly10:40
Admiral_Chicagobug 12065410:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120654 in firefox "borders of address and tabs bars look displaced" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12065410:40
asachow many bugs did he attempt to triage for us so far?10:41
Admiral_Chicagoah maybe not.10:41
asacAdmiral_Chicago: ?10:41
Admiral_Chicagoasac: i think one more I saw.10:41
Admiral_Chicagobug 12086810:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120868 in firefox "Firefox ignores Javascript code" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12086810:41
asacis the head really a valid place for inline javascript?10:43
asac<head> element10:43
Admiral_Chicagoasac: bug 91388 he did correctly thouggh10:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 91388 in flashplugin-nonfree "Macromedia Flash plugin bug - Edgy - Firefox (dup-of: 49613)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9138810:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 49613 in flashplugin-nonfree "flash plugin always rendered on top of html" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4961310:44
Admiral_Chicagoi don't know JS too well, I don't know10:44
asaci asked him to confirm that the same script tag (with code) works at a different place in document10:50
asacbefore that is the case, there is no case imo10:50
asac(javascript code bug)10:50
asacAdmiral_Chicago: marking as dupe is not mt specific ... so he did right10:52
Admiral_Chicagoyea, I know, I don't think he is doing anything too wrong...I think he's just trying to help out10:52
Admiral_Chicagomaybe I'll email him to see if he wants to hop on board with the team10:53
asacyeah ... but i see no activity from him on bug 12086810:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120868 in firefox "Firefox ignores Javascript code" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12086810:53
Admiral_Chicagowait a second...10:53
Admiral_Chicagoi may have been mistaken on the last one.10:54
gnomefreakasac: your repo works fine. If those people on forums are complaining about that please give me more info tomorrow and links as the guy with the bug i gav eyou is having same issue11:12
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gnomefreakwhy is it trunk can only build 1 time pre use you have to get rid of everything it made to build  again :(11:21
gnomefreaki guess maybe just drop browser-snapshot-20070615.tar.bz2 after each build11:22
asache?11:41
asactrunk should build fine11:41
asacmultiple times11:41
asacdon't see a reason why11:41
asacwhat happens?11:41
asacgnomefreak: ?11:41
asacwhen you run 2nd time11:41
gnomefreakbrowser-snapshot changes failed to go into diff and stopped11:45
gnomefreakit happens everytime11:45
gnomefreakseems -snapshot changes with each build11:45
asachow do you try to rebuild?11:46
asacdid you add any diff?11:46
gnomefreakasac: same way i build the first time11:46
asachow?11:46
gnomefreakbuild first time (leave binaris and everything else where it is. change changelog to use latest nightly. and build again it will fail11:47
asacyou use bzr bd --merge . ?11:47
gnomefreakcan build orig but fails to build with dpkg-buildpackage11:47
asacwhy does it fail?11:47
asacwith what errors?11:47
asac+ what is printed in context of that error11:47
gnomefreakasac: only thing it says is what i gave you above about -snapshot changes cann not represent changes11:48
gnomefreakand it stops11:48
gnomefreakdoesnt let you continue11:48
gnomefreaki cant giv eyou exact output as it is long gone and my scroll of 10,000 lines isnt long enough11:49
gnomefreakon tuesday i will get error for you or late monday11:50
asack11:50
gnomefreakasac: have you looked at bug 9191011:52
ubotuLaunchpad bug 91910 in gnash "gnash using 100% CPU" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9191011:52
=== gnomefreak gets way too much bug mail
gnomefreakoh and feel free to let me know if we accept or reject swiftfox for gutsy tomorrow and i will find bug and comment on it (anytime not tomorrow)11:56
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