[12:15] <nosrednaekim> fdoving: now you have me wondering and i'll have to test it out.
[12:23] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: how's it coming along?
[12:23] <crimsun> I'm attempting to negotiate the passing of QString
[12:24] <crimsun> maybe if I emit a custom signal?
[12:24] <nosrednaekim> be right back
[12:24] <crimsun> still not sure if that will propagate to the importer
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: did you fix it?
[12:54] <crimsun> not yet
[12:55] <nosrednaekim> ok.
[12:55] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: mind if I try?
[12:55] <nosrednaekim> i kinda don't have anything to do (in case you hadn't noticed)
[12:55] <crimsun> go for it
[12:55] <crimsun> I'm looking at i18n for it ATM
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: oh yeah, and another thing, why aren't you writing it in qt4?
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> its going to be obsoluete in 6 moths.
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> *obsolete
[12:56] <crimsun> because this needs to ship in main for gutsy
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> doesn't gusty have qt4?
[12:56] <crimsun> and AFAIK, gutsy won't ship with KDE 4
[12:56] <crimsun> in main?
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> yeah, I thought ubiquity was now qt4
[12:57] <crimsun> I'm also concerned about past Ubuntu releases that are still/will be supported
[12:57] <crimsun> Dapper, Edgy, Feisty
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> ah.. right. ok
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> just wondering.
[12:59] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: does this thing have to detect whether or not its should run as a gtk app?
[01:00] <crimsun> yes
[01:00] <nosrednaekim> ok
[01:00] <crimsun> I've removed the Glade-3 bit locally; Toby has been working on the GTK+2 frontend
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> ok.
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> ok.now what if you have an apply button and a quit button?
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> that way you could have two different signals.
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> apply would write the config, and then you could connect to the quit's slot to quit() in asoundconfig-ui
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> that way people could test out the effects of their changes without closing the app as well.
[01:10] <crimsun> do KDE apps generally have Close pushbuttons in addition to an Apply?
[01:10] <crimsun> sorry, have -a- Close pushbutton
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> most configuration ones do.
[01:10] <crimsun> ok, and this is carried over into Qt 4 & KDE 4?
[01:10] <crimsun> err, well, KDE 4
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> lol, most DON'T have two close buttons. ;)
[01:10] <crimsun> guess it doesn't really much matter for Qt 4
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> I believe they're keeping that.
[01:11] <crimsun> I'd like to be consistent with the current Qt 3 & KDE 3 UI for this version
[01:11] <crimsun> it seems a bit odd to have both the window manager's close and a separate close pushbutton, but I was going with gnome's ui initially ;)
[01:12] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: well, it seems consistent to me from what kcontrol looks like (always an apply button)
[01:13] <crimsun> ok, well if it's smart Qt 3- & KDE 3-wise, I'm fine with it
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> actually now that I check, its not a close button, but a reset button.
[01:14] <crimsun> hmm.
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> but they all have apply buttons
[01:14] <crimsun> is there a Close or a Quit pushbutton?
[01:15] <crimsun> ok, I can rename the current Close to Apply
[01:15] <nosrednaekim> yeah. sorry.I was wrong about that quit thing.
[01:15] <crimsun> in that case, I can just rely on the window manager's close
[01:16] <nosrednaekim> yeah.
[01:17] <crimsun> thanks for the input :)
[01:17] <nosrednaekim> ywp.
[01:17] <nosrednaekim> yep.
[01:17] <nosrednaekim> no problem. I love all things python
[01:17] <nosrednaekim> 'cept the snakes
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> know of any other python programs that need to get ported to qt?
[01:39] <crimsun> hehe, well, I know that some people would love a GTK+2 UI for QJackCtl ;)
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> sorry, no gtk here
[01:39] <crimsun> yeah, that's why I worked on the Qt version
[01:39] <crimsun> in retrospect, PyQt was a good choice; I had no prior experience with Qt and only minimal Python
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> I had some python experience before I learned it with QT, but qt makes it so much cooler
[06:10] <Hobbsee> heya all
[10:06] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[10:26] <Lure> Tonio_: hi
[10:26] <Lure> Tonio_: two problems with new knm
[10:27] <Lure> First: when on wired connection, no icon in tray (just empty space)
[10:27] <Lure> Second: when on wired connection, kmail/koqueror thinks I am offline and does not fetch mail/web (while on wireless all fine)
[10:33] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, I just noticed that
[10:33] <Tonio_> Lure: I think it is a problem with a patch riddell did a moment ago
[10:34] <Tonio_> Lure: I think both problems are links
[10:34] <Tonio_> linked
[10:34] <Lure> Tonio_: yep, might be
[10:34] <Tonio_> okay we'll fix this :)
[10:40] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll check the networkstatus patch, maybe there is an issue with it
[10:50] <Tonio_> Lure: I think I jave the fix concerning the icon
[10:50] <Tonio_> a patches I didn't apply correctly
[10:55] <mhb> Tonio_: ping
[10:59] <Tonio_> mhb: hey ;)
[11:01] <mhb> Tonio_: I've ported --noignorebutton, -i and -d during the weekend. Simple stuff; the harder one will be --nonewdcop, I guess.
[11:01] <mhb> Tonio_: I haven't commited yet, though.
[11:02] <Tonio_> mhb: super cool :)
[11:03] <Tonio_> mhb: I'm currently on the all network-manager stuff, including the gnome part and the vpn plugins
[11:03] <Tonio_> mhb: that's very nice, so only the harder to come then ?
[11:04] <Tonio_> Lure: fixed ;)
[11:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey ;)
[11:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: just fixed the little icon issue with knm, now uploading to gutsy
[11:07] <Riddell> hmmm
[11:07] <Riddell> which icon issue?
[11:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't apply your static connection patch correctly, that resulted a little bug
[11:43] <Tonio_> mbiebl: hey ;)
[11:43] <mbiebl> hi Tonio_
[11:43] <Tonio_> mbiebl: as you work on knetworkmanager for debian, just wanted to let you know I packaged the 0.2 rc version
[11:43] <Tonio_> mbiebl: and all network-manager 0.6.5
[11:44] <mbiebl> I have them too ;-)
[11:44] <Tonio_> mbiebl: hehe :)
[11:44] <mbiebl> Tonio_: How did you handle the nm-applet split in NM?
[11:44] <Tonio_> mbiebl: damn we should have sync our efforts :)
[11:44] <mbiebl> Really.
[11:45] <Tonio_> mbiebl: new package for network-manager-applet, with a replace + provides + conflicts on the old package
[11:45] <mbiebl> how have you called the source package and how the binary package?
[11:45] <mbiebl> I called the source package nm-applet and the binary one network-manager-gnome
[11:46] <mbiebl> nm-applet seems to be the package name according to configure.ac and also when you unpack the tarball.
[11:46] <Tonio_> the old package is still network-manager
[11:46] <Tonio_> the new one is network-manager-applet
[11:47] <Tonio_> and it provides + replaces + conflicts network-manager-gnome
[11:47] <mbiebl> Hm, why did you rename it from network-manager-gnome to network-manager-applet?
[11:47] <Tonio_> mbiebl: to respect the tarball name
[11:48] <Tonio_> that's the "real name" of the application, accordig to upstream, so I did that way
[11:48] <Tonio_> mbiebl: isn't that nice for you ?
[11:48] <mbiebl> Well, it's a bit unclear imho.
[11:48] <mbiebl> The applet itself is called nm-applet
[11:49] <mbiebl> The package name, according to configure.ac is also nm-applet
[11:49] <mbiebl> So when you run make dist, it will create a tarball named nm-applet-1.2.3.tar.gz
[11:49] <mbiebl> It seems, the tarball has simply been renamed afterwards to network-manager-applet.
[11:50] <mbiebl> Which is a bit hackish imho.
[11:50] <mbiebl> Besides from the naming issues: Where did you put the nm-vpn-properties binary?
[11:50] <Tonio_> mbiebl: hum pitti asked me for the same change
[11:50] <mbiebl> It's still in the network-manager source tarball
[11:51] <Tonio_> mbiebl: so I'll reupload with network-manager-gnome as deb name for the applet
[11:51] <mbiebl> Tonio_: Have you already uploaded it to gutsy?
[11:51] <Tonio_> mbiebl: let me check concerning the vpn-property
[11:51] <Tonio_> mbiebl: there are beeing uploading now, for testing
[11:51] <Tonio_> mbiebl: no pb to drop them after, so don't mind :)
[11:52] <Tonio_> mbiebl: so I'll do as you concerning the network-manager-gnome
[11:52] <mbiebl> The problem with putting nm-vpn-properties into network-manager is, that it will generate gnome dependencies in the network-manager binary package.
[11:52] <mbiebl> Which is unfortunate for KDE users.
[11:52] <Riddell> evil
[11:52] <mbiebl> As knm 0.2 has native VPN plugins support, it doesn't need nm-vpn-properties anymore.
[11:53] <mbiebl> So I'd either use -Xnm-vpn-properties in network-manager or split nm-vpn-properties out into a separate package.
[11:53] <mbiebl> I'm not sure yet, which way is the best.
[11:53] <mbiebl> Imho nm-vpn-properties belongs into the nm-applet source tarball
[11:54] <mbiebl> Tonio_: Unfortunately I have to run now.
[11:54] <Tonio_> ah......
[11:54] <mbiebl> I'm currently on debconf and there is a talk I want to go to.
[11:54] <mbiebl> See you later...
[11:55] <Tonio_> okay bye :)
[11:55] <larsivi> my katapult lost it's calculator in 7.04 :(
[11:56] <Riddell> alt-space, control-c
[11:56] <Riddell> configure, catalogues
[11:57] <larsivi> Riddell: thanks! :)
[11:59] <frode_> grr.. useless isp-crap.
[11:59] <Tonio_> mbiebl: why not splitting the binary to another package ?
[12:00] <Tonio_> mbiebl: like network-manager-vpnproperties ?
[12:02] <Tonio_> mbiebl: another option is to have network-manager-gnome coming from the networkmanager tarball and another package network-manager-applet depending on network-manager-gnome
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> Lure: hey.... congrats on getting your name in the KDE4 commit digest!
[01:34] <kwwii> omg - Lure is famous!
[01:34] <Lure> nosrednaekim: ?
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> I swear I saw your name... maybe someone is impersonating you.
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> just a second.
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> isn't your name Lubo Luk?
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> Lure: haha oh...its not. Thats the guy who works on KDE composite.
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> I'm sorry
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> haha sorry.
[01:55] <Tonio_> Lure: knetworkmanager should work now
[01:55] <Tonio_> Lure: btw I have to wait a bit for upload as there is a structure problem in the way the n-m team splitted it
[01:56] <Lure> Tonio_: great - no problem, we can wait
[01:56] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll have to make a point with mbiebl on the way to get that done
[01:56] <Tonio_> Lure: but as long as you don't use the vpn, you can use my packages, no pb
[01:56] <Lure> Tonio_: yep, aligning with debian should be priority
[01:58] <Tonio_> Lure: the point is that there is no way to do that properly at the moment in fact....
[01:59] <Tonio_> Lure: the applet is now a seperate package, but a part of the gnome code is still in the standard n-m tarbalml
[01:59] <Lure> :-(
[01:59] <Tonio_> Lure: the result is that the standard package now hs gnome dependancies
[02:00] <Tonio_> on the other hand, we can split, but that means having 2 packages just for the gnome applet, which is ugly
[04:31] <manchicken_> Riddell: Is your Adept bzr repo up to date?
[04:33] <Riddell> should be
[04:33] <Riddell> but check the changelog version
[04:35] <manchicken_> Righto.
[04:35] <manchicken_> The welcome screen you get with adept_updater is pissing me off.  I may just kill it.
[04:35] <manchicken_> It makes no sense, and it makes me mad.
[04:36] <manchicken_> brb, I'm gonna reboot to apply this kernel update.
[04:36] <Riddell> what would you do instead?
[04:37] <Ash-Fox> Make the intro screen "Welcome to Kubuntu Genuine Advantage"
[04:37] <Riddell> ahem
[04:37] <Hobbsee> gah....twitch
[04:37] <Hobbsee> that might be amusing, though...
[04:38] <Hobbsee> in a...sadistic...sort of way.
[04:38] <Riddell> an april fools thnig I think
[04:40] <emonkey-f> lol
[04:40] <nixternal> haha, that would rock
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[04:55] <nixternal> gtk_file_system_path_is_local: assertion `path != NULL' failed
[04:55] <Riddell> pong Hobbsee
[04:56] <nixternal> hrmm, anyone know away around this? I am trying to open a file in Gimp and it crashes
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what was the command to go and check if all the patches applied, etc?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you gave it to me for kde3 packages - but i've lost ~/.kde, so lost all my logs :'(
[04:56] <Riddell> Hobbsee: patch -R ? :)
[04:56] <Hobbsee> no.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> was something about debian/rules
[04:56] <Riddell> make -f debian/rules buildprep
[04:57] <Hobbsee> thanks
[04:58] <manchicken> Riddell: Instead of the welcome screen I think it should go right into the list of updates.
[04:58] <manchicken> Riddell: I wrote a spec up about this a while ago.
[04:58] <Riddell> yes, I remember that
[04:59] <Riddell> seems fine to me
[04:59] <Riddell> but what about the sources download step?
[05:06] <manchicken> mhb: Oww!
[05:06] <manchicken> Riddell: We can keep that.
[05:06] <manchicken> Riddell: that's kinda necessary...
[05:11] <mhb> manchicken: what happens when dpkg is interrupted during configure and adept is run afterwards?
[05:12] <manchicken> mhb: The database is locked and you need to fix it.
[05:12] <manchicken> dpkg --configure -a seems to do the trick most of the time.
[05:13] <mhb> manchicken: yeah, I know that, I don't need support :o)
[05:14] <mhb> manchicken: I'm wondering how hard would it be to run that command for the user
[05:14] <mhb> manchicken: in a semi-nice UI
[05:16] <mhb> manchicken: in python, it would be very easy to do that
[05:19] <mhb> manchicken: by the way, did you get rid of that welcome screen in adept_updater? :o)
[05:19] <Hobbsee> woo!  akode breakage!
[05:19] <Jucato> manchicken: would it be possible for Adept to have more specific error messages whenever it says something can't be installed because it will break something? maybe somehow show the error output from apt-get?
[05:22] <manchicken> mhb: Hmm... that's vaguely reminiscent of an idea I brought to the meeting last time ;)
[05:22] <manchicken> Jucato: Until those messages are standardized in the packages that will be different.
[05:23] <manchicken> s/different/difficult
[05:23] <manchicken>  /
[05:23] <mhb> manchicken: it is, but now it's just a simple python app that will appear when you click on a "Resolve" button in the Adept "broken dpkg" pop-up
[05:23] <Jucato> hm... I can't explain it well now... maybe tomorrow when I'm more sane :)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Jucato: is never sane.
[05:24] <Jucato> I have my minutes :)
[05:24] <manchicken> mhb: The problem is that you're talking about a problem that could have multiple causes.
[05:24] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:24] <manchicken> That error message is what you get when the dpkg database is locked.
[05:25] <manchicken> The other common cause for having a locked dpkg database is when you already have another program locking the dpkg database that is doing something with it.
[05:26] <mhb> you get the same message?
[05:26] <mhb> now that's evil
[05:26] <manchicken> It's the same error message for the same case, and I'm not sure how we'd detect the difference.
[05:26] <manchicken> Remember, that's the same symptom.
[05:26] <manchicken> Adept is trying to lock the dpkg database and dpkg won't let it.  That's all adept knows.
[05:27] <manchicken> If I'm wrong that's great, but if I recall correctly that is all that's going on there.
[05:27] <mhb> wait, let me do a little test here
[05:30] <mhb> manchicken: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[05:30] <mhb> manchicken: apt-get can determine whether you should run dpkg --configure -a or not
[05:31] <manchicken> mhb: Try opening adept and then try running adept.
[05:31] <mhb> manchicken: adept can't
[05:31] <manchicken> Err, sorry, try opening adept and then try running apt-get
[05:32] <mhb> manchicken: okay, I'll just resolve the first error
[05:32] <manchicken> Probably a good idea.
[05:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: network-manager-applet got rejected?
[05:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's new?
[05:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hrm?
[05:43] <Riddell> in akode?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: liboggflac got merged into libflac
[05:46] <Hobbsee> so akode needed updating
[05:46] <Hobbsee> which will then make k-d installable again
[05:46] <mhb> manchicken: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:47] <mhb> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:47] <Riddell> that sounds handy
[05:47] <Hobbsee> yes, rather
[05:47] <mhb> manchicken: apt-get is smart, adept is not
[05:47] <mhb> manchicken: fix that! :o)
[05:47] <manchicken> mhb: You!
[05:47] <apachelogger> mhhhh
[05:48] <apachelogger> start with the updater
[05:48] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: amarok is in progress
[05:48] <apachelogger> make it share python stuff with ubuntu :P
[05:48] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: ohhh, lovely :D
[05:48] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: akode breakage isnt helping, thouhg.
[05:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:50] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: get that asound-UI all figured out?
[05:50] <mhb> manchicken: if you can simply port the smart code from apt-get to adept, I'll code the python app that resolves this error
[05:51] <manchicken> mhb: I'm wondering if apt is just checking for processes that it knows access the database.
[05:51] <apachelogger> how much work would it be to create a KCM? ... how much more work would it be to create it in python?
[05:53] <Ash-Fox> I don't think it's even possible todo in python alone
[05:54] <apachelogger> omg!
[05:55] <apachelogger> screw kde
[05:55] <Jucato> PyQt
[05:55] <apachelogger> Oo
[05:55] <Jucato> maybe... the kde-guidance modules are written in python
[05:55] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[05:55] <apachelogger> sebas: piiiing
[05:57] <_Sime> the kde-guidance modules are also KCMs.
[05:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: not much
[05:57] <Riddell> pykdeextensions source package should have examples
[05:57] <apachelogger> arrsome
[05:57] <apachelogger> now I just gotta learn pythong :|
[05:57] <apachelogger> why can't ubuntu just use ruby as default scripting language
[05:58] <Riddell> got to pick something
[05:58] <nosrednaekim> cause python is superior. (and it has better bindings)
[05:58] <Riddell> I wouldn't say that
[05:59] <nosrednaekim> that it has better bindings to qt and KDE?
[06:00] <apachelogger> I hope so, ruby bindings are far too slow IMHO :|
[06:01] <manchicken> knetworkmanager locking up seems to mess with kontact.
[06:01] <mhb> manchicken: I'm sure it isn't
[06:01] <Hobbsee> okay, pinentry-qt is *seriously* beyond cool.
[06:02] <Hobbsee> it works for ssh too!
[06:02] <Riddell> what does it do?
[06:03] <Hobbsee> caches the passphrase for however logn you configure.  and gives you a nice qt box to put your passphrase into
[06:03] <Hobbsee> the caching is the killer bit, though
[06:03] <manchicken> Well, knetworkmanager was kinda being stupid like it always is on startup, not showing its icon.  All network traffic seemed to be working, so I didn't bother killing and restarting it.  Well, kontact wouldn't even check mail if I manually tried to do so.
[06:03] <Hobbsee> especially useful for using debsign -r
[06:04] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: it thinks that you aren't connected to the internet.
[06:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ^
[06:04] <manchicken> nosrednaekim: Yeah, but everything else seemed to work just fine.
[06:05] <manchicken> nosrednaekim: I suppose the problem is more that knetworkmanager went stupid in the first place :)
[06:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how handy, does it work with debsign?
[06:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: of course
[06:05] <fdoving> manchicken: you can disable that feature, system settings -> service manager -> network status daemon -> stop.
[06:05] <Hobbsee> you need to do a bit of config, but yeah
[06:05] <mhb> manchicken: so, will you do that horrible task of reading a snippet of C code and porting it to C++ adept?
[06:05] <mhb> manchicken: pretty please? :o)
[06:06] <manchicken> mhb: Could you file a wishlist and assign it to me?
[06:06] <manchicken> mhb: I'll make it a priority next time I get a chance to hack.
[06:06] <mhb> manchicken: okay
[06:06] <mhb> manchicken: have to go now, see you later :o)
[06:06] <nosrednaekim> fdoving: BTW,I checked out whether or not Python can call functions in the original calls from an inherited class.. negative (from what I could tell, maybe there is a way I don't know of)
[06:07] <fdoving> nosrednaekim: i tested with qApp.quit() yesterday, that worked. but then my ISP died.
[06:08] <nosrednaekim> fdoving: but that wasn't going back to the previous class was it?
[06:08] <manchicken> mhb: It's on my hacking to-do list.
[06:08] <nosrednaekim> the parent.
[06:09] <fdoving> nosrednaekim: no idea what happens, the result is that the app quits cleanly. not sure how python handles it internally.
[06:10] <nosrednaekim> it sounds like a qt specific thing.
[06:10] <fdoving> it is.
[06:15] <nosrednaekim> fdoving: anyway, crimson changed the close button to an apply button. But he might appreciate knowing how to close the app.
[06:15] <fdoving> yep.
[06:19] <fdoving> crimsun: qApp.quit() after the final pass in writeConf works for me.
[06:33] <nosrednaekim> any idea when CNR is going to included in Ubuntu?
[06:33] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: ask the linspire people
[06:34] <nosrednaekim> ok.
[06:39] <manchicken> It would be awesome if each profile in kontact would let you choose whether you want to top-post or bottom-post.
[06:39] <manchicken> My boss just complained because I'm not top-posting.  heh
[06:39] <Hobbsee> it doesnt?
[06:39] <Hobbsee> thunderbird does
[06:39] <manchicken> I don't think it does.
[06:40] <manchicken> It'd be awesome if there was a way I didn't know about... but I don't see it anywhere.
[06:42] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: yep, you can
[06:42] <nosrednaekim> Identities->edit identities->templates
[06:43] <nosrednaekim> I think thts what you are looking for
[06:44] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: thats from within Kmail.
[06:49] <manchicken> Damn, score one for nosrednaekim.
[06:50] <nosrednaekim> that works?
[06:50] <manchicken> Yeah.
[06:50] <manchicken> Just move URSOR to the top.
[06:50] <manchicken> Grr...
[06:50] <manchicken> \URSOR
[06:50] <manchicken> kontact doesn't like the %
[06:50] <manchicken> I suppose that's color encoding, but still.
[06:50] <manchicken> It's kinda silly
[06:51] <nosrednaekim> cool. I actually had never seen that before :)
[06:51] <manchicken> nosrednaekim: What a wild guess.
[06:51] <nosrednaekim> yep!
[06:57] <Hobbsee> oh fudge
[06:57] <Hobbsee> akode builds on i386, but not amd64 and ia64
[07:13] <Hobbsee> ok, kdemultimedia fixed version is sitting on brandon's server, which is now hidden from the world again.
[07:14] <Riddell> bad boy
[07:14] <Hobbsee> yes.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> very much so.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> and my X wont hardlock when it's supposed to, dammit!
[09:01] <Tonio_> yaw
[09:06] <manchicken> This is irritating.  Kpilot used to work like a charm.  Now it's flakey as hell.
[09:11] <manchicken> Well that sucks.
[09:12] <manchicken> Trying to auto-configure my phone just crashed both kpilot and my phone.
[09:22] <crimsun> fdoving: I think that violates my UI, though.  I want the user to close the app, not the Apply QPushButton.
[09:23] <crimsun> semantically Apply means "apply changes", not "apply changes and terminate the app"
[10:19] <Tonio_> sebas: ping ?
[10:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey nice job on the knm packaging ;) - saw them come in on gutsy-changes
[10:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yup :)
[10:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I saw it was the source, does that mean that the binary packages arent there yet?
[10:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: not really sure how that upload to gutsy works ;)
[10:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: should be in the repos now
[10:55] <Tonio_> I mean the binaries
[10:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok, any chance the source pkg can be built for feisty?
[10:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the vmware's dont let me test wlan
[10:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: or atleast I'm not sure how to :)
[10:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: if you rebuilt everything and in the good order, should work
[10:57] <Lure_> Tonio_: there are other people asking for feisty backport - see bug 108369
[10:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108369 in network-manager "Request: Update Feisty's Network Manager to 0.6.5" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108369
[10:58] <mhb> manchicken: around?
[10:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well maybe it should be backported then :)
[11:04] <Tonio_> Lure_: yes but backport is a long work.... I don't have now the same amount of free time I had before :)
[11:24] <manchicken> mhb: Yup
[11:24] <mhb> manchicken: done my part of the deal :o)
[11:25] <manchicken> mhb: I don't know when I'm gonna have time to hack to be honest.
[11:25] <manchicken> Pregnant ladies are very time consuming :)
[11:27] <mhb> manchicken: no problem
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Lure_: I might try out a backport for nm6.5 + knm 0.2
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Lure_: I need it myself anyways
[11:31] <Lure_> _StefanS_: you my try if it builds and then we can ping jdong for backport consideration
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Lure_: yep
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Lure_: I will pull the source tomorrow and try it out
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Lure_: Right now I have to do some regular work unfortunately
[11:32] <Lure_> _StefanS_: I know the feeling :-(
[11:32] <_StefanS_> Lure_: hey I got a pregnant wife too :D
[11:33] <_StefanS_> Lure_: and 10month old kid heh
[11:33] <_StefanS_> Lure_: you wouldn't have to know about a nice 4-5 disk sata array ?
[11:34] <_StefanS_> Lure_: I need one for my backups..
[11:34] <Lure_> _StefanS_: I am actually need to start looking for one for home
[11:34] <_StefanS_> Lure_: well the problem seems that everyone wants firewire/usb/nas stuff
[11:34] <_StefanS_> Lure_: I want eSata
[11:34] <_StefanS_> Lure_: = speed
[11:35] <Lure_> _StefanS_: yep, but not that common
[11:35] <Lure_> Tonio__: hi
[11:35] <_StefanS_> Lure_: yes thats the problem
[11:35] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio
[11:35] <Lure_> Tonio__: you have internet at home now?
[11:35] <mhb> manchicken: well does your pregnant wife allow you some app testing?
[11:35] <Tonio__> Lure_: no, I'm not at home :/
[11:35] <manchicken> heh
[11:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: go home :D
[11:35] <mhb> manchicken: if so, check out the adept-resolver app at https://code.launchpad.net/~martin.bohm/adept/adept-resolver
[11:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: dont stay at work
[11:36] <Lure_> Tonio__: so you have beds at work - nice of them ;-)
[11:36] <_StefanS_> hehe
[11:36] <Tonio__> _StefanS_: I'm at a friend's home :)
[11:36] <_StefanS_> Lure_: my point exactly
[11:36] <_StefanS_> oh
[11:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: whats the most easy way to get those gutsy sources for nm/knm ?
[11:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: I cant figure your repo out :D
[11:37] <manchicken> Ooh, did you actually try to mimic the adept install interface, with the console embed and all?
[11:38] <Tonio__> _StefanS_: simply add the gutsy deb-src branch to your sources.list :)
[11:38] <Tonio__> simple :)
[11:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: oh doesn't it clash with the regular feisty ones?
[11:38] <Tonio__> _StefanS_: no
[11:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio__: ok great
[11:39] <mhb> manchicken: one little bug with the buttons fixed (they were not responsive, qt designer's fault)
[11:40] <mhb> manchicken: actually, I just more-or-less reused the gdebi-kde interface, which does try to mimic the Adept install interface
[11:40] <mhb> manchicken: break your dpkg lock and then try it :o)
[11:42] <manchicken> Seems like it would work, but I don't have the time to run it yet.  Fighting fires with work. :(
[11:42] <manchicken> Some idiot found a minor security exploit.
[11:42] <manchicken> And now the sky is evidently falling.
[11:43] <manchicken> Even though the only damage they can do is modify the appearance of a search results screen..
[11:43] <manchicken> Boo hoo.
[11:50] <mhb> manchicken: another option could be to convince a newcomer to code a little C++ fix for Kubuntu :o) perhaps someone at kubuntu-devel or such
[11:51] <manchicken> If you can find such a person I'm sure Riddell would love to know :)
[11:52] <mhb> by the way, bug 48627 is what we're trying to solve
[11:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 48627 in adept "Poor resolution of "database locked" problem" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48627
[11:52] <manchicken> That's not a bug though :)
[11:52] <manchicken> And I still argue that it's not adept's job to resolve the problem :)
[11:53] <mhb> manchicken: actually, it is. And now we have a fix. All it takes is to find someone who makes Adept realize that we need dpkg :o)
[11:57] <manchicken> mhb: Hit me up tomorrow morning, I may have less headache tomorrow :)
[12:01] <mhb> manchicken: tomorrow morning in your country or mine? :o)
[12:01] <manchicken> Tomorrow morning UTC-0500 :)
[12:02] <manchicken> So like 1600Z
[12:15] <Riddell> manchicken: hmm?