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| asac | gnomefreak: i don't feel in charge to unapprove swiftfox | 12:56 |
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| asac | it should just not be filed against firefox | 12:56 |
| asac | can we unassign package? or maybe ask bdmurray what to do with package wishes? | 12:57 |
| gnomefreak | its a gecko based browser, when bugs come in who do you think they will go to? and yes i can unassign us from it i will do in monring | 01:22 |
| gnomefreak | asac: ^^ | 01:22 |
| gnomefreak | IMHO we need to reject it as bugs will come to us and we didnt even package it | 01:49 |
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| Admiral_1hicago | I was able to pull my HDD from one compy and move it to another | 08:00 |
| Admiral_1hicago | I swear if its broken. I'll just buy a new computer | 08:00 |
| Admiral_1hicago | ^-^ | 08:00 |
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| hjmf | morning | 09:31 |
| asac | morning | 10:18 |
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| asac | gnomefreak: yes just reject it | 10:36 |
| asac | hjmf: any idea why we keep mt-confirm for mt-reject-candidates bugs? | 11:07 |
| asac | i am currently going through mt-confirm and have the feeling that m-reject-candidates should not be in that list :) | 11:07 |
| asac | @schedule | 11:17 |
| ubotu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 19 Jun 19:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 18:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 20:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 20:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 15:00: Kernel Team | 11:17 |
| asac | @schedule berlin | 11:17 |
| ubotu | Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 19 Jun 21:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 20:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 11:17 |
| asac | ok fine ... we are really scheduled | 11:18 |
| gnomefreak | ok i think im here for a little while hour or so | 11:23 |
| gnomefreak | what reject it fue to mozillateam doesnt want ot have anything to do with this package? or wait for bdmurry and see if since it is a firefox clone (for most part) we think that adding it to repos is a bad idea (it will pretty much dupe every bug thats on firefox? | 11:35 |
| gnomefreak | ) | 11:35 |
| asac | gnomefreak: i don't know ... actually let bdmurray do the stuff, but afaik, swiftfox doesn't have its own sources | 11:35 |
| asac | but its just a firefox build with changed compile switches | 11:35 |
| gnomefreak | it doesnt? | 11:35 |
| asac | gnomefreak: try to find the swiftfox sources | 11:36 |
| gnomefreak | thats what i thought too but i never looked into it | 11:36 |
| asac | either its closed source | 11:36 |
| asac | or its just a respin with wanna-be optimizations | 11:36 |
| gnomefreak | k looking | 11:36 |
| asac | i didn't find any | 11:36 |
| asac | sources ... so i guess this bug is really a non-bug | 11:36 |
| gnomefreak | Swiftfox is a binary and settings optimized build of the Mozilla Firefox web browser | 11:38 |
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| asac | imo swiftfox is just a hoax | 11:42 |
| asac | doesn't deserve its own nwame | 11:43 |
| asac | and almost certainly not its own package :) | 11:43 |
| gnomefreak | do you have bug # handy? | 11:43 |
| gnomefreak | its not its built using ffox source | 11:43 |
| asac | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/120699 | 11:44 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 120699 in Ubuntu "[needs packaging] swiftfox" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 11:44 |
| gnomefreak | ty | 11:44 |
| gnomefreak | its rejected | 11:50 |
| gnomefreak | brb need coffee | 11:50 |
| gnomefreak | anything you need (i should be around for another 30 minutes or so | 12:02 |
| gnomefreak | n) | 12:03 |
| gnomefreak | -n | 12:03 |
| asac | not atm | 12:03 |
| asac | :) | 12:03 |
| asac | i have to go out in 30 minutes as well ... i ran low on coffee and cigarettes | 12:03 |
| gnomefreak | ok ill be back in around 5+hours oncve i leave | 12:05 |
| asac | ah that is good ... maybe i finished my day today by then :) | 12:06 |
| asac | but i doubt | 12:06 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 12:06 |
| asac | anyway, I did too much computer stuff at weekend will probably go out for a beer today or tomorrow | 12:06 |
| gnomefreak | go for it take the day off ;) | 12:06 |
| gnomefreak | i only slept an hour so i may do that as well but im not employed by canoncal | 12:07 |
| asac | hehe ... right | 12:07 |
| asac | gnomefreak: why do you have such problems to sleep? | 12:08 |
| asac | my problem is more to get to bed ... and then hours later to get up :) | 12:08 |
| gnomefreak | asac: doctors cant figure it out yet | 12:09 |
| gnomefreak | they think its sleep apnea but they are not sure they want me to take a sleep study but i havent gotten there yet | 12:09 |
| asac | but isn't apnea that you always fail asleep ... not that you can't sleep? | 12:10 |
| gnomefreak | cant fall asleep | 12:11 |
| asac | have you tried drugs? | 12:11 |
| asac | like .... | 12:11 |
| asac | pot? | 12:11 |
| gnomefreak | the other one starts with a n but i cant remeber it | 12:11 |
| gnomefreak | asac: i have 4 sleeping pills as it is | 12:11 |
| asac | thats hard | 12:12 |
| asac | is it that your brain is twisting ... thinking stuff all the time | 12:12 |
| asac | or just no sleep? | 12:12 |
| gnomefreak | asac: that is most nights yeah but like last night i didnt think just couldnt fall asleep to save my life | 12:14 |
| hjmf | <asac> hjmf: any idea why we keep mt-confirm for mt-reject-candidates bugs? | 12:14 |
| hjmf | asac: the idea was to review the mt-confirm bugs to reject them later | 12:14 |
| hjmf | or not | 12:14 |
| asac | ah ... right | 12:14 |
| asac | :) | 12:14 |
| asac | good | 12:14 |
| hjmf | :) | 12:14 |
| asac | i thought that you already closed bugs that didn't receive any duplicate for some time | 12:15 |
| gnomefreak | <hint> reject as many as you can | 12:15 |
| asac | didn't you` | 12:15 |
| asac | hjmf: ? | 12:15 |
| asac | its ok .. its just that i probably got confused about it | 12:15 |
| asac | gnomefreak: when is next CC meeting? | 12:15 |
| hjmf | asac: they got tagged automatically, and when I got time I rejetct them or ask politely if it is still an issue | 12:16 |
| gnomefreak | no date set. and seveas is out for a month or more so we are not sure yet | 12:16 |
| hjmf | so they might be still open for some time | 12:16 |
| asac | hjmf: ah ok ... so if i see a question from you i will keep them open :) | 12:16 |
| hjmf | yes, I'll reject them in a week | 12:17 |
| hjmf | if there's no answer | 12:17 |
| asac | ok ... i guess i will wait with mt-confirm processing one more week then :) | 12:17 |
| gnomefreak | asac: i will ask one of the CC guys about next meeting (they might be waiting for seveas to come back | 12:18 |
| hjmf | asac: there is no way to search for mt-confirm NOT mt-reject-candidate? maybe through bug numbers? | 12:19 |
| hjmf | *bugnumbers | 12:19 |
| hjmf | not sure if that is implemented | 12:19 |
| asac | hjmf: want to add yourself? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda | 12:20 |
| asac | or are you already member? | 12:20 |
| asac | hjmf: only through bughelper i guess | 12:20 |
| hjmf | asac: I'm not a member, looking | 12:20 |
| asac | Admiral_Chicago: can you add such a rule? | 12:21 |
| asac | Admiral_Chicago: mt-confirm is in TAGS && mt-reject-canditate is not in TAGS | 12:22 |
| asac | Admiral_Chicago: ? | 12:22 |
| asac | hjmf: you should definitly become a member | 12:22 |
| asac | hjmf: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember | 12:23 |
| Fjodor | gnomefreak, asac: Sleep apnea is when you stop breathing during your sleep, causing you to almost wakeup, thus preventing deep sleep. Symptoms are extreme tiredness. gnomefreak: I think the other one you think of is narcolepsia, causing you to fall asleep suddenly and with almost no warning during the day. I don't really think either fits what asac is describing | 12:25 |
| asac | Fjodor: what did i describe ... i have no problems with sleep :) | 12:25 |
| Fjodor | asac: Oh, sorry. I got you two mixed up :-$ | 12:26 |
| asac | hehe no problem | 12:26 |
| Fjodor | But still, they don't really fit what _gnomefreak_ described | 12:27 |
| asac | yeah ... its wierd | 12:28 |
| gnomefreak | Fjodor: im just going on what drs tell me | 12:28 |
| Fjodor | However, insomnia is a common trait for all sorts of psychological anomalies. Not saying that you are nuts, though. Common stress springs to mind as plausible | 12:29 |
| gnomefreak | either way they dont know what it is and last time i tried the sleep study i didnt stay long due to something happening :( | 12:30 |
| hjmf | asac: seems there is no date yet for the next cc meeting, is it? | 12:30 |
| Fjodor | Depends, though. Are you normally "clear in the head" when you can't sleep, or are you almost, just not quite, sleeping? | 12:30 |
| gnomefreak | hjmf: no | 12:30 |
| asac | hjmf: yes i have no idea .... i ask dholbach | 12:30 |
| gnomefreak | hjmf: i will ping one of the members of the CC about it when i get a minute | 12:30 |
| hjmf | gnomefreak: ty | 12:31 |
| gnomefreak | the person that sets the meetings up (CC secratery) is gone for atleast a month | 12:31 |
| hjmf | I would apply for membership, but before I need to be sure to be able to attend the meeting | 12:31 |
| hjmf | ah | 12:32 |
| gnomefreak | hjmf: put you name there anyway | 12:32 |
| hjmf | would you sponsor me :))) | 12:32 |
| hjmf | ? | 12:32 |
| gnomefreak | yes | 12:32 |
| asac | apparently not yet known | 12:32 |
| gnomefreak | im behind you 200% | 12:32 |
| hjmf | ty :) | 12:32 |
| asac | hjmf: go | 12:32 |
| asac | add your name | 12:32 |
| hjmf | OK | 12:32 |
| Fjodor | gnomefreak: At any rate, I'll leave the subject. Just hope you get to sleep normally sometime :-) | 12:33 |
| gnomefreak | i will when i get home today | 12:33 |
| asac | hjmf: if you get to know that you cannot attend remove your name | 12:33 |
| hjmf | asac: Ok, then I'll append my name to that list, lets see | 12:34 |
| gnomefreak | shoot | 12:34 |
| gnomefreak | elmo and who | 12:34 |
| gnomefreak | omfg who is it :( | 12:36 |
| asac | who is what? | 12:36 |
| gnomefreak | elmo mako and mark are the 3 orig memberse | 12:37 |
| gnomefreak | -e | 12:37 |
| gnomefreak | elmo almost never around, mako and mark pretty much same | 12:37 |
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| gnomefreak | those would be the ones to ask' | 12:38 |
| gnomefreak | hjmf: congrats on your membership ;) | 12:38 |
| gnomefreak | hjmf: you wont have a problem getting it | 12:39 |
| gnomefreak | your bug work alone will more than likely be all you need | 12:39 |
| asac | hjmf: yeah gnomefreak is right .... do you see what is going on in bts | 12:40 |
| asac | all cores are removed if bugs are rejected/resolved | 12:41 |
| asac | ... or from all duplicates | 12:41 |
| asac | ... so await lots of bug-spam on gtk_style_realize | 12:41 |
| hjmf | asac gnomefreak ty | 12:41 |
| gnomefreak | yw | 12:41 |
| hjmf | asac: noticed the bug spam | 12:41 |
| asac | ...since all duplicates get at least one mail now :) | 12:41 |
| asac | which goes to main bug as well ... reasonably :) | 12:41 |
| asac | lets see how many jump off from subscription list after this flood :) | 12:42 |
| hjmf | asac: I also noticed that gutsy are autotagged for retrace | 12:43 |
| hjmf | *gutsy bugs | 12:43 |
| hjmf | though none of which I've seen seem to have a crash attached | 12:43 |
| hjmf | e.g. bug 120634 | 12:44 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 120634 in firefox "[GUTSY] firefox crashed" [Medium,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120634 | 12:44 |
| asac | really? | 12:44 |
| hjmf | dunnot it that crash was removed, but it doesn't have the stacktrace, nor the coredump | 12:44 |
| asac | wierd ... maybe reporter aborted upload? | 12:44 |
| hjmf | other example I found this morning from gnash | 12:44 |
| hjmf | bug 120916 | 12:45 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 120916 in gnash "gnash crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120916 | 12:45 |
| asac | hmmm ... lets wait a few more ... then ping pitte | 12:46 |
| asac | pitt | 12:46 |
| asac | t | 12:46 |
| asac | pitti | 12:46 |
| asac | :-D | 12:46 |
| hjmf | yep I was thinking the same | 12:46 |
| asac | hjmf: afaik there is some work going on to make coredumps | 12:46 |
| asac | private | 12:46 |
| asac | so people don't expose their credit cards et al | 12:46 |
| asac | i am not sure if this is the case here | 12:47 |
| asac | afaik there will be team based access-control | 12:47 |
| hjmf | asac: yes I read the specification some time ago, but I expected to see the retraces directly when the bug gets public w/o the coredump | 12:47 |
| hjmf | probably it is not yet implemented, I thought it would take some more time | 12:47 |
| asac | hjmf: afaik the retraces are subject to review before pushing them to public as well | 12:48 |
| hjmf | ah | 12:48 |
| asac | e.g. soem team member has to review if there is some sensible info visible ... if not open | 12:48 |
| asac | hjmf: at least its actively worked on atm ... as you see progress in deleting coredumps :) | 12:48 |
| hjmf | yes you are right :) | 12:48 |
| asac | lets give them a few days | 12:49 |
| asac | to sort things out | 12:49 |
| hjmf | I'm anxious! :-P | 12:49 |
| gnomefreak | im getting crash reports sort of nautilus crashed yesterday and there was a report in my home dir | 12:50 |
| hjmf | Im waiting for a bunch of reports from gutsy | 12:50 |
| asac | in your home dir? | 12:50 |
| asac | hjmf: yes ... me too | 12:50 |
| gnomefreak | asac: yep | 12:51 |
| asac | but its not yet turned on afaik | 12:51 |
| asac | afaik the idea is: as long as privacy issues are not resolved, don't turn it on | 12:51 |
| asac | at lesat thats what was said at last weeks development team meeting | 12:51 |
| gnomefreak | it was giving me an empty file named core (in whatever dir you are cd'ed into when running from terminal) | 12:51 |
| hjmf | which are the requisites to access private bugs? | 12:52 |
| asac | you are cced | 12:52 |
| asac | afaik | 12:52 |
| hjmf | ah | 12:52 |
| asac | or assignee | 12:52 |
| asac | i have no idea | 12:52 |
| hjmf | ah ok :) | 12:52 |
| asac | i have just seen one private bug so far that is kind of support request | 12:52 |
| asac | ... from a canonical customer | 12:53 |
| gnomefreak | ok bbl shower time so i can get going long drive :( | 12:53 |
| asac | but that is a bug that is not even specific ;) | 12:53 |
| asac | hjmf: the idea is to allow the right teams to see the bugs | 12:53 |
| gnomefreak | btw firefox-trunk has been updated and fixed in preview (if anyone noticed it was borked. and gnash is done | 12:54 |
| asac | gnomefreak: gnash is done? ... didn't i pushed it over to my archive yesterday already? | 12:54 |
| gnomefreak | asac: did you grab the 386 binaries? | 12:54 |
| asac | afaik yes | 12:55 |
| gnomefreak | ah ok | 12:55 |
| gnomefreak | than scratch that gnash one | 12:55 |
| asac | http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/gnash-feisty/ | 12:55 |
| gnomefreak | trunk still fixed ;) | 12:55 |
| asac | ok | 12:55 |
| asac | ;) | 12:55 |
| asac | fine | 12:55 |
| gnomefreak | ok im out | 12:55 |
| hjmf | asac: lets wait we are the first group allowed to see mozilla bugs :-P | 12:55 |
| hjmf | asac: gnomefreak I'm off for a while, see you | 12:55 |
| asac | hjmf: ok | 12:55 |
| gnomefreak | me too | 12:55 |
| asac | hjmf: cu | 12:55 |
| gnomefreak | cu you | 12:56 |
| asac | i am out for lunch now | 12:56 |
| asac | need to get coffee (prio 1 task) | 12:56 |
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| asac | k coffee ... cigarettes ... all here | 01:42 |
| asac | me as well of course :) | 01:42 |
| DarkMageZ | anyone notice apport doing a cleanup? | 01:42 |
| asac | yeah ... coredumps get removed from issues that are resolved somehow | 01:48 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-mozillateam: Home of Ubuntu Mozilla Team - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam | Bug Triagers please read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/ | Firefox trunk package source : https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/firefox/trunk | Mailing List: ubuntu-mozillateam@lists.ubuntu.com | Next meeting is June 21, 2007 1800UTC in #ubuntu-meeting. | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-mozillateam): set by gnomefreak at Wed Jun 13 02:36:34 2007 | ||
| asac | i hate changelog syntax errors | 04:35 |
| asac | ok found :) | 04:36 |
| asac | bluekuja: you want to adopt libagg in debian? | 05:14 |
| hjmf | hmm, again no backtrace, no coredump: bug 121007 | 06:17 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 121007 in firefox "firefox-bin crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121007 | 06:17 |
| hjmf | same on bug 121014 | 06:19 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 121014 in firefox "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121014 | 06:19 |
| asac | hjmf: i will talk to pitti tomorrow | 06:19 |
| asac | i guess all new crashes are hidden atm | 06:20 |
| hjmf | asac: I guess that too, I'll look for what apport-crash tag means | 06:20 |
| asac | probably means that apport runners should look in to hidden archive to get the crash dump | 06:20 |
| asac | and try auto-dupe merge ... etc .... no idea | 06:21 |
| asac | if you find out, let me know :) | 06:21 |
| hjmf | ok | 06:21 |
| hjmf | asac: not that exact tag, but this is the specification: | 06:27 |
| hjmf | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CrashReporting | 06:27 |
| hjmf | 1. Create Launchpad users which control access to the bug, split by main/restricted and universe/multiverse. | 06:27 |
| hjmf | 2. Apport files bugs as private/nonsecurity by default, with only the crash reprocessing bot subscribed (Launchpad user apport, the "Apport retracing service"). | 06:27 |
| hjmf | 3. The retracing bot generates the symbolic stack traces, handles duplicates (see [UbuntuSpec] apport-crash-duplicates), and removes the core dump attachment. Then it subscribes the relevant team to the bug. | 06:27 |
| hjmf | 4. The triaging teams regularly inspect crash reports (preferably prioritized by number of duplicates). After verifying that a stack trace does not contain sensitive information, they can set the bug to "public". | 06:27 |
| hjmf | I guess the system is working but we cannot see it !? | 06:28 |
| hjmf | or the retraces aren't working right | 06:29 |
| asac | he? | 06:30 |
| asac | hjmf: i will figure out ... since i am in core dev i should be able to see those bugs (if any exist already) | 06:30 |
| asac | hjmf: ping me tomorrow about this ... we have to find a way to involve people from mozillateam in trace evaluation | 06:31 |
| asac | lets see | 06:31 |
| hjmf | asac: ok. I'll be patient then, I wont triage those ones until we know something :) | 06:31 |
| asac | actually i have no idea how to search for those crash reports | 06:31 |
| asac | hjmf: there are no bugs cced to core-dev | 06:32 |
| asac | atm | 06:32 |
| asac | so maybe this has even been moved to a different team or bugs are just not yet CCed to teams | 06:32 |
| asac | (or bugs are not yet created :)) | 06:32 |
| asac | i guess the latter | 06:33 |
| bluekuja | heya asac! | 06:36 |
| bluekuja | just went home from work | 06:36 |
| bluekuja | :) | 06:36 |
| asac | bluekuja: heya | 06:37 |
| asac | i will went out soon out from my home/work to the streets of hamburg :) | 06:37 |
| bluekuja | asac: :D | 06:37 |
| bluekuja | asac: talk me about libagg please :) | 06:37 |
| bluekuja | looks interesting | 06:37 |
| asac | bluekuja: currently maintainer by ooo team | 06:37 |
| asac | bluekuja: but according to baby they will drop it | 06:38 |
| asac | bluekuja: she told me that she will adopt it | 06:38 |
| asac | bluekuja: but honestly, i don't feel good about her maintaining a library | 06:38 |
| asac | bluekuja: so i am looking for someone with technical potential to package a library properly :) | 06:38 |
| asac | e.g. we will need this for gnash soon | 06:38 |
| bluekuja | asac: sounds good, does it need an update? | 06:39 |
| bluekuja | e.g new release | 06:39 |
| asac | (unless we use opengl for gutsy) | 06:39 |
| asac | bluekuja: i think so ... 2.4 is in ... 2.5 is out | 06:39 |
| asac | :) | 06:39 |
| bluekuja | great! :) | 06:39 |
| asac | bluekuja: please do not yet start ... i will talk to debian openoffice maintainers first | 06:39 |
| asac | just wanted to know if you would be willing to adopt | 06:39 |
| bluekuja | asac: yeah, it's ok for me. Now I finish work at 5 o'clock, after I will be free for it | 06:40 |
| bluekuja | so ok | 06:40 |
| bluekuja | :) | 06:40 |
| bluekuja | asac: keep me updated :) | 06:40 |
| asac | will | 06:41 |
| bluekuja | sounds great :) | 06:43 |
| bluekuja | asac: btw who is baby? | 06:45 |
| bluekuja | asac: ctorrent in testing | 06:46 |
| bluekuja | :) | 06:46 |
| asac | bluekuja: baby is debian gnash maintainer | 06:48 |
| asac | bluekuja: congrats | 06:49 |
| bluekuja | asac: :) | 06:49 |
| bluekuja | asac: verlihub will be a great package | 06:49 |
| bluekuja | a lot of ppl use it | 06:49 |
| asac | hehe | 06:49 |
| asac | yeah finally maybe some bug traffic | 06:49 |
| asac | for you | 06:49 |
| bluekuja | yup :) | 06:49 |
| asac | how many bugs processed? | 06:49 |
| asac | so far? | 06:50 |
| bluekuja | mmm... | 06:50 |
| asac | 2? :) | 06:50 |
| bluekuja | something like 3-4 | 06:50 |
| bluekuja | I think | 06:50 |
| bluekuja | :) | 06:50 |
| === bluekuja hopes that ftp masters will process the queue | ||
| asac | we all hope :) | 06:50 |
| bluekuja | :) | 06:50 |
| bluekuja | is huge | 06:50 |
| asac | i even hope that they will do so for gutsy | 06:50 |
| bluekuja | ahha | 06:50 |
| bluekuja | yeah : | 06:51 |
| bluekuja | I want greatparadise in! | 06:51 |
| asac | its not yet really huge | 06:51 |
| asac | there where times where lots of packages were multiple month old :) | 06:51 |
| asac | there were | 06:51 |
| bluekuja | really?? | 06:51 |
| asac | yes | 06:51 |
| bluekuja | for debconf ? | 06:51 |
| bluekuja | like this time | 06:51 |
| asac | no ... for no ftpmaster spare-time :) | 06:51 |
| bluekuja | oh :D | 06:52 |
| asac | and noone else with permissions ;) | 06:52 |
| bluekuja | how many ftp-masters are there? | 06:52 |
| asac | dunno at that point there were 2 :) | 06:52 |
| bluekuja | :D | 06:52 |
| bluekuja | what's the process to become ftp-masters? | 06:52 |
| asac | now it should be 6? no idea | 06:52 |
| asac | thats not documented | 06:52 |
| bluekuja | a DD with a lot of experience | 06:53 |
| bluekuja | in fact | 06:53 |
| asac | which actually was one of the big reasons for huge ml-wars in the past | 06:53 |
| bluekuja | well, ftp-masters can control all the package's traffic | 06:54 |
| asac | two main problems: bottleneck of ftp-master, bottleneck in security team, in release team and of course *DAM* :-D | 06:54 |
| asac | 4 main problems :) | 06:54 |
| asac | i can't tell how much energy was wasted for those discussions | 06:54 |
| asac | but probably 90% ;) | 06:55 |
| bluekuja | :D | 06:55 |
| bluekuja | asac: are you a DAM member? | 06:55 |
| asac | hehe | 06:55 |
| bluekuja | e.g you can process new maintainers | 06:55 |
| asac | no | 06:55 |
| bluekuja | your decision? | 06:55 |
| asac | i am an AM (application manager) ... i only help, test and push out a recommondation | 06:56 |
| asac | then there is frontdesk that quality assures my recommondation before it goes to dam state | 06:56 |
| bluekuja | cool | 06:56 |
| asac | there is 1 person reviewing things yet another time before the application gets pushed to the single person allowed to add things to keyring | 06:56 |
| asac | elmo | 06:56 |
| asac | ;) | 06:56 |
| bluekuja | :D | 06:56 |
| asac | huge bottleneck | 06:57 |
| bluekuja | elmo is the only one that can add a key to the debian keyring? | 06:57 |
| asac | but its ok ... somehow the job is done and the DAM queue is under control | 06:57 |
| asac | yes | 06:57 |
| asac | joerg (ganneff) is the second DAM | 06:57 |
| bluekuja | that's really nice | 06:57 |
| asac | but afaik he still can't add by himself | 06:58 |
| asac | he just gives green light and elmo trusts him to a good extend | 06:58 |
| asac | i don't know if this is really nice | 06:58 |
| asac | it just takes ages | 06:58 |
| asac | to go through NM | 06:58 |
| bluekuja | yeah | 06:59 |
| asac | ... but having short time contributors doesn't help much either | 06:59 |
| asac | so ... i am not one of those that says that this needs an immediate fix | 06:59 |
| bluekuja | yeah, you're right | 06:59 |
| bluekuja | asac: why not at debconf? | 07:00 |
| asac | my bad. i somehow missed the train ... but i don't think its that important :) ... though would have been nice. now i can work more on my specs :) | 07:01 |
| bluekuja | hehee | 07:02 |
| bluekuja | yeah :) | 07:02 |
| asac | and this weekend i don't have time anyway :) ... family calls. | 07:02 |
| bluekuja | :D | 07:02 |
| bluekuja | I'll be at the sea | 07:02 |
| bluekuja | ^^ | 07:02 |
| asac | i wanted to go to mozilla developer day in paris, but didn't because of that :) | 07:02 |
| asac | hmmm i think we should drop xulrunner python xpcom package from ubuntu | 07:03 |
| bluekuja | y? | 07:03 |
| asac | lurked on irc that bsmedberg wants this to be maintained outside of xulrunner ... basically doesn't want to maintain the code | 07:04 |
| asac | i think he found out that python2.5 broke api ... and python xpcom doesn build against new python anymore | 07:04 |
| asac | i started to do a real fix, but then it was not just a line :) | 07:05 |
| bluekuja | :D | 07:06 |
| bluekuja | asac: do you have a minute for a merge? | 07:06 |
| bluekuja | :) | 07:06 |
| asac | simple one? | 07:06 |
| bluekuja | yup | 07:07 |
| asac | don't ask to ask ;) | 07:07 |
| asac | give me a link i let you know | 07:07 |
| bluekuja | adding the bug | 07:07 |
| bluekuja | :) | 07:07 |
| bluekuja | just a moment | 07:07 |
| bluekuja | asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpib/+bug/121022 | 07:09 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 121022 in gpib "Merge gpib 3.2.06-3.2 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 07:09 |
| asac | -binary-predeb/php4-gpib:: | 07:10 |
| asac | -echo "php:Depends=phpapi-$(phpapiver)" >> debian/php4-gpib.substvars | 07:10 |
| asac | - | 07:10 |
| asac | ups | 07:10 |
| asac | is that needed to fullfill the task to | 07:10 |
| asac | Don't build a php4 module anymore | 07:10 |
| asac | ? | 07:10 |
| bluekuja | yeah | 07:10 |
| asac | i mean it would build without that hunk, right? | 07:10 |
| bluekuja | yeah, I build it now to be sure | 07:11 |
| asac | yeah ... drop that hunk | 07:11 |
| asac | its easier to reenable later | 07:11 |
| bluekuja | yeah, it has been dropped | 07:11 |
| bluekuja | now building | 07:11 |
| asac | yeah ... update debdiff | 07:12 |
| asac | where is the merge in merges.ubuntu.com | 07:12 |
| bluekuja | asac: http://dad.dunnewind.net/gpib/ | 07:12 |
| asac | bluekuja: where can i see it on merges.ubuntu.com | 07:13 |
| asac | why is there no merge requested for that package | 07:14 |
| bluekuja | asac: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | 07:14 |
| bluekuja | check gpib | 07:14 |
| asac | why do we need to disable that package? | 07:15 |
| bluekuja | which? | 07:16 |
| bluekuja | asac: we just need to report remaining changes | 07:16 |
| asac | the one that is disabled | 07:16 |
| bluekuja | added before | 07:16 |
| bluekuja | so if a developer added it, it should be kept | 07:16 |
| bluekuja | when merging again | 07:16 |
| asac | not true ... it whould be verified if its still needed to carry the difference | 07:17 |
| asac | the goal is to get in synch again | 07:17 |
| asac | so 1. find reason why it was disabled | 07:17 |
| bluekuja | yeah | 07:17 |
| bluekuja | but | 07:17 |
| asac | 2. check if reason still exists | 07:17 |
| bluekuja | debian did not add it | 07:17 |
| bluekuja | so we cant sync | 07:17 |
| asac | he? | 07:17 |
| bluekuja | i mean | 07:18 |
| bluekuja | debian didnt add anything regarding it on new changelog entry | 07:18 |
| bluekuja | so we assume that those changes should be kept for ubuntu | 07:18 |
| asac | bluekuja: point is ... when was this reviewed the last time | 07:19 |
| bluekuja | asac: for feisty | 07:20 |
| asac | if you see that change was introduced in same upstream version ... then yes | 07:20 |
| asac | otherwise, it should be checked | 07:20 |
| bluekuja | yeah | 07:20 |
| bluekuja | that's right | 07:20 |
| bluekuja | asac: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/tipa/tipa_1.3-7_all.deb | 07:21 |
| asac | dunno what that is about :) | 07:22 |
| bluekuja | was trying to get build it | 07:23 |
| bluekuja | and one of the deps | 07:23 |
| bluekuja | is tipe | 07:23 |
| bluekuja | *tipa | 07:23 |
| bluekuja | I don't know why it does not get the last version | 07:23 |
| bluekuja | (is not specified in debian control) | 07:24 |
| bluekuja | sending it to build-machine | 07:24 |
| bluekuja | something wrong with my pbuilder | 07:24 |
| bluekuja | (maybe) | 07:24 |
| bluekuja | asac: gonna ping you with build logs | 07:30 |
| bluekuja | in a min | 07:31 |
| asac | yeah in 2 min i am out :) | 07:34 |
| asac | so better hurry ;) | 07:34 |
| bluekuja | yeah! | 07:35 |
| bluekuja | :) | 07:35 |
| asac | bluekuja: please figure out why php4 was dropped | 07:35 |
| asac | maybe contact the developer doing this ;) | 07:35 |
| bluekuja | yeah, is geser | 07:35 |
| asac | otherwise we cannot decide on this | 07:35 |
| asac | yeah .. .ask him ... just let me know ... i am out more or less | 07:36 |
| bluekuja | asac: you will be back later? | 07:36 |
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| asac | maybe | 07:38 |
| bluekuja | asac: I take it as a "yes" | 07:38 |
| bluekuja | :P | 07:38 |
| asac | haha ... don't count on it | 07:38 |
| asac | i will try | 07:38 |
| bluekuja | sounds great! :) | 07:38 |
| hjmf | this one looks better despite the horrible summary; bug 121027 | 07:47 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 121027 in gnash "gnash crashed with SIGSEGV in std::_Rb_tree<boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object>, boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object>, std::_Identity<boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object> >, std::less<boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object> >, std::allocator<boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object> > >::erase()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121027 | 07:47 |
| hjmf | it has a retrace and the coredump attached | 07:47 |
| hjmf | maybe the other bug reports were some kind of *short crash reports*; dunno | 07:49 |
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| Admiral_Chicago | asac: you can build a custom clue file for that | 09:15 |
| Admiral_Chicago | they are both in tags | 09:15 |
| bluekuja | Admiral_Chicago, he's away | 09:15 |
| bluekuja | :) | 09:15 |
| Admiral_Chicago | thanks bluekuja | 09:15 |
| bluekuja | np :) | 09:15 |
| bluekuja | Admiral_Chicago, I've seen your photo | 09:15 |
| bluekuja | on lp | 09:15 |
| bluekuja | is it currently photo or younger? | 09:16 |
| Admiral_Chicago | uh, it was taken last year | 09:16 |
| bluekuja | cool | 09:16 |
| bluekuja | how old are you? | 09:16 |
| Admiral_Chicago | 20 now | 09:16 |
| bluekuja | nice | 09:16 |
| bluekuja | :) | 09:16 |
| Admiral_Chicago | JenFraggle: around? | 09:18 |
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| gnomefreak | thats odd | 10:00 |
| gnomefreak | not as odd as it should be :( | 10:02 |
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| asac | raise the curtain :) | 11:31 |
| asac | bluekuja: i am here ... while not at full conscience :) | 11:34 |
| asac | bluekuja: ok no problem ... i am out :) ... doing some more bug processing as a sleeping pill ;) | 11:57 |
| gnomefreak | ;) | 12:10 |
| asac | pushed tbirds bugs down to one page aka 75 bugs :) | 12:12 |
| asac | firefox stillat 575 | 12:13 |
| asac | and 1350 or something if you don't eliminate duplicates | 12:14 |
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| Gustavo | Hi all. Why when a checkout firefox 2.0.0.4 and build-it, when it starts its named "Bon Echo" and not "Firefox"? | 12:15 |
| asac | yeah ... because its not configured to be an official | 12:15 |
| asac | build | 12:15 |
| asac | Gustavo: anyway .. this is the wrong place to ask | 12:15 |
| asac | unless you want to build ubuntu/debian packages :) | 12:16 |
| asac | go irc.mozilla.org | 12:16 |
| Gustavo | I'm sorry. But thanks for the help. | 12:16 |
| asac | or http://forums.mozillazine.org | 12:16 |
| asac | np | 12:16 |
| Gustavo | asac: Bye and thankyou | 12:16 |
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| asac | Gustavo: but if you are | 12:16 |
| asac | :) | 12:16 |
| asac | bye | 12:16 |
| asac | ;) | 12:16 |
| gnomefreak | wtf is wrong with wiki | 12:17 |
| asac | slow ? | 12:17 |
| gnomefreak | no | 12:17 |
| gnomefreak | not showing up as it should | 12:17 |
| asac | he? | 12:17 |
| asac | startpage looks ok here | 12:17 |
| gnomefreak | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage/Responses+ | 12:17 |
| gnomefreak | oops | 12:17 |
| gnomefreak | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage/Responses scroll to bottom | 12:17 |
| gnomefreak | its not showing up like code | 12:18 |
| asac | not for me :) | 12:18 |
| asac | works for me | 12:18 |
| gnomefreak | it looks fine? | 12:18 |
| gnomefreak | hmmmmm | 12:18 |
| asac | yeah | 12:18 |
| asac | try to reload | 12:18 |
| asac | with shift | 12:18 |
| asac | or ctrl | 12:18 |
| asac | ctrl+r | 12:18 |
| asac | :) | 12:18 |
| asac | ctr+shift+r | 12:18 |
| asac | ctrl+shift+r | 12:18 |
| asac | :) | 12:18 |
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| gnomefreak | im using ff | 12:19 |
| asac | trunk build? | 12:19 |
| asac | gnomefreak: did tbird have a soft landing :) | 12:20 |
| asac | or anyone complains on other channels that things are broken | 12:20 |
| asac | ;) | 12:20 |
| gnomefreak | its there i havent heard anything yet | 12:20 |
| asac | good | 12:20 |
| asac | should have been soft | 12:20 |
| asac | but who knows ;) | 12:21 |
| gnomefreak | it was final 2.0.0.4? | 12:21 |
| asac | yeah | 12:21 |
| asac | released on friday | 12:21 |
| asac | i subscribed to a total of 4 new mailing lists | 12:21 |
| asac | so i won't miss announcement next time | 12:21 |
| asac | they apparently don't announce final releases on security list nor security-announce anymore | 12:22 |
| asac | i knew that i missed something ;) | 12:22 |
| gnomefreak | damnit wtf | 12:22 |
| asac | but it was not critical ... gutsy only + i uploaded security fixes with rc1 already | 12:22 |
| asac | afaik there was no change from rc1 to final anyway | 12:22 |
| asac | other than version.txt | 12:22 |
| asac | ;) | 12:22 |
| gnomefreak | lol | 12:22 |
| gnomefreak | i cant get it to look right its starting to piss me off | 12:24 |
| asac | what? | 12:24 |
| asac | trun? | 12:24 |
| asac | trunk? | 12:24 |
| gnomefreak | Thanks for your report. Your idea might get more attention and have the possibility of being implemented if you submit a specification for it. First check whether the idea is already registered <[WWW] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs>, and if so, contact the specification's drafter about your ideas. Otherwise, you can start writing a spec yourself. <[WWW] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureSpecifications> | 12:24 |
| gnomefreak | that part looks right to you? | 12:24 |
| asac | why not? | 12:24 |
| gnomefreak | no firefox 2.0.0.4 | 12:24 |
| gnomefreak | [[[Thanks for your report. Your idea might get more attention and have the possibility of being implemented if you submit a specification for it. First check whether the idea is already registered <[WWW] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs>, and if so, contact the specification's drafter about your ideas. Otherwise, you can start writing a spec yourself. <[WWW] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureSpecifications> ] ] ] | 12:24 |
| asac | everything on wiki looks good for me in ffox 2.0.0.4 | 12:24 |
| asac | in feisty though | 12:25 |
| gnomefreak | thats how im seeing it | 12:25 |
| asac | give me the link again please | 12:25 |
| gnomefreak | with the brakets | 12:25 |
| asac | have it | 12:25 |
| gnomefreak | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage/Responses | 12:25 |
| asac | gnomefreak: yes | 12:25 |
| asac | thats in deed broken | 12:25 |
| asac | but its most likely a syntax error in wiki text | 12:25 |
| asac | it should be | 12:26 |
| gnomefreak | so its not me | 12:26 |
| asac | {{{ .... }}} | 12:26 |
| asac | no | 12:26 |
| gnomefreak | k | 12:26 |
| asac | its wrong wiki formatting | 12:26 |
| asac | wanna change? | 12:26 |
| asac | just replace [[[ -> {{{ and ] ] ] -> }}} | 12:26 |
| gnomefreak | yeah i noticed that now | 12:26 |
| gnomefreak | ty | 12:26 |
| gnomefreak | small font here in firefox | 12:27 |
| asac | actually i am not happy with only those kind of feature request template | 12:27 |
| asac | we shouldn't post that if its a feature request for upstream | 12:27 |
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