[12:56] <asac> gnomefreak: i don't feel in charge to unapprove swiftfox
[12:56] <asac> it should just not be filed against firefox
[12:57] <asac> can we unassign package? or maybe ask bdmurray what to do with package wishes?
[01:22] <gnomefreak> its a gecko based browser, when bugs come in who do you think they will go to? and yes i can unassign us from it i will do in monring
[01:22] <gnomefreak> asac: ^^
[01:49] <gnomefreak> IMHO we need to reject it as bugs will come to us and we didnt even package it
[08:00] <Admiral_1hicago> I was able to pull my HDD from one compy and move it to another
[08:00] <Admiral_1hicago> I swear if its broken. I'll just buy a new computer
[08:00] <Admiral_1hicago> ^-^
[09:31] <hjmf> morning
[10:18] <asac> morning
[10:36] <asac> gnomefreak: yes just reject it
[11:07] <asac> hjmf: any idea why we keep mt-confirm for mt-reject-candidates bugs?
[11:07] <asac> i am currently going through mt-confirm and have the feeling that m-reject-candidates should not be in that list :)
[11:17] <asac> @schedule
[11:17] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 19 Jun 19:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 18:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 20:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 20:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 15:00: Kernel Team
[11:17] <asac> @schedule berlin
[11:17] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 19 Jun 21:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 20:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team
[11:18] <asac> ok fine ... we are really scheduled
[11:23] <gnomefreak> ok i think im here for a little while hour or so
[11:35] <gnomefreak> what reject it fue to mozillateam doesnt want ot have anything to do with this package? or wait for bdmurry and see if since it is a firefox clone (for most part) we think that adding it to repos is a bad idea (it will pretty much dupe every bug thats on firefox?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> )
[11:35] <asac> gnomefreak: i don't know ... actually let bdmurray do the stuff, but afaik, swiftfox doesn't have its own sources
[11:35] <asac> but its just a firefox build with changed compile switches
[11:35] <gnomefreak> it doesnt?
[11:36] <asac> gnomefreak: try to find the swiftfox sources
[11:36] <gnomefreak> thats what i thought too but i never looked into it
[11:36] <asac> either its closed source
[11:36] <asac> or its just a respin with wanna-be optimizations
[11:36] <gnomefreak> k looking
[11:36] <asac> i didn't find any
[11:36] <asac> sources ... so i guess this bug is really a non-bug
[11:38] <gnomefreak> Swiftfox is a binary and settings optimized build of the Mozilla Firefox web browser
[11:42] <asac> imo swiftfox is just a hoax
[11:43] <asac> doesn't deserve its own nwame
[11:43] <asac> and almost certainly not its own package :)
[11:43] <gnomefreak> do you have bug # handy?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> its not its built using ffox source
[11:44] <asac> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/120699
[11:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120699 in Ubuntu "[needs packaging]  swiftfox" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 
[11:44] <gnomefreak> ty
[11:50] <gnomefreak> its rejected
[11:50] <gnomefreak> brb need coffee
[12:02] <gnomefreak> anything you need (i should be around for another 30 minutes or so
[12:03] <gnomefreak> n)
[12:03] <gnomefreak> -n
[12:03] <asac> not atm
[12:03] <asac> :)
[12:03] <asac> i have to go out in 30 minutes as well ... i ran low on coffee and cigarettes
[12:05] <gnomefreak> ok ill be back in around 5+hours oncve i leave
[12:06] <asac> ah that is good ... maybe i finished my day today by then :)
[12:06] <asac> but i doubt
[12:06] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:06] <asac> anyway, I did too much computer stuff at weekend will probably go out for a beer today or tomorrow
[12:06] <gnomefreak> go for it take the day off ;)
[12:07] <gnomefreak> i only slept an hour so i may do that as well but im not employed by canoncal
[12:07] <asac> hehe ... right
[12:08] <asac> gnomefreak: why do you have such problems to sleep?
[12:08] <asac> my problem is more to get to bed ... and then hours later to get up :)
[12:09] <gnomefreak> asac: doctors cant figure it out yet
[12:09] <gnomefreak> they think its sleep apnea but they are not sure they want me to take a sleep study but i havent gotten there yet
[12:10] <asac> but isn't apnea that you always fail asleep ... not that you can't sleep?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> cant fall asleep
[12:11] <asac> have you tried drugs?
[12:11] <asac> like ....
[12:11] <asac> pot?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> the other one starts with a n but i cant remeber it
[12:11] <gnomefreak> asac: i have 4 sleeping pills as it is
[12:12] <asac> thats hard
[12:12] <asac> is it that your brain is twisting ... thinking stuff all the time
[12:12] <asac> or just no sleep?
[12:14] <gnomefreak> asac: that is most nights yeah but like last night i didnt think just couldnt fall asleep to save my life
 hjmf: any idea why we keep mt-confirm for mt-reject-candidates bugs?
[12:14] <hjmf> asac: the idea was to review the mt-confirm bugs to reject them later
[12:14] <hjmf> or not
[12:14] <asac> ah ... right
[12:14] <asac> :)
[12:14] <asac> good
[12:14] <hjmf> :)
[12:15] <asac> i thought that you already closed bugs that didn't receive any duplicate for some time
 reject as many as you can
[12:15] <asac> didn't you`
[12:15] <asac> hjmf: ?
[12:15] <asac> its ok .. its just that i probably got confused about it
[12:15] <asac> gnomefreak: when is next CC meeting?
[12:16] <hjmf> asac: they got tagged automatically, and when I got time I rejetct them or ask politely if it is still an issue
[12:16] <gnomefreak> no date set. and seveas is out for a month or more so we are not sure yet
[12:16] <hjmf> so they might be still open for some time
[12:16] <asac> hjmf: ah ok ... so if i see a question from you i will keep them open :)
[12:17] <hjmf> yes, I'll reject them in a week
[12:17] <hjmf> if there's no answer
[12:17] <asac> ok ... i guess i will wait with mt-confirm processing one more week then :)
[12:18] <gnomefreak> asac: i will ask one of the CC guys about next meeting (they might be waiting for seveas to come back
[12:19] <hjmf> asac: there is no way to search for mt-confirm NOT mt-reject-candidate? maybe through bug numbers?
[12:19] <hjmf> *bugnumbers
[12:19] <hjmf> not sure if that is implemented
[12:20] <asac> hjmf: want to add yourself? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[12:20] <asac> or are you already member?
[12:20] <asac> hjmf: only through bughelper i guess
[12:20] <hjmf> asac: I'm not a member, looking
[12:21] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: can you add such a rule?
[12:22] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: mt-confirm is in TAGS && mt-reject-canditate is not in TAGS
[12:22] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: ?
[12:22] <asac> hjmf: you should definitly become a member
[12:23] <asac> hjmf: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[12:25] <Fjodor> gnomefreak, asac: Sleep apnea is when you stop breathing during your sleep, causing you to almost wakeup, thus preventing deep sleep. Symptoms are extreme tiredness. gnomefreak: I think the other one you think of is narcolepsia, causing you to fall asleep suddenly and with almost no warning during the day. I don't really think either fits what asac is describing
[12:25] <asac> Fjodor: what did i describe ... i have no problems with sleep :)
[12:26] <Fjodor> asac: Oh, sorry. I got you two mixed up :-$
[12:26] <asac> hehe no problem
[12:27] <Fjodor> But still, they don't really fit what _gnomefreak_ described
[12:28] <asac> yeah ... its wierd
[12:28] <gnomefreak> Fjodor: im just going on what drs tell me
[12:29] <Fjodor> However, insomnia is a common trait for all sorts of psychological anomalies. Not saying that you are nuts, though. Common stress springs to mind as plausible
[12:30] <gnomefreak> either way they dont know what it is and last time i tried the sleep study i didnt stay long due to something happening :(
[12:30] <hjmf> asac: seems there is no date yet for the next cc meeting, is it?
[12:30] <Fjodor> Depends, though. Are you normally "clear in the head" when you can't sleep, or are you almost, just not quite, sleeping?
[12:30] <gnomefreak> hjmf: no
[12:30] <asac> hjmf: yes i have no idea .... i ask dholbach
[12:30] <gnomefreak> hjmf: i will ping one of the members of the CC about it when i get a minute
[12:31] <hjmf> gnomefreak: ty
[12:31] <gnomefreak> the person that sets the meetings up (CC secratery) is gone for atleast a month
[12:31] <hjmf> I would apply for membership, but before I need to be sure to be able to attend the meeting
[12:32] <hjmf> ah
[12:32] <gnomefreak> hjmf: put you name there anyway
[12:32] <hjmf> would you sponsor me :)))
[12:32] <hjmf> ?
[12:32] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:32] <asac> apparently not yet known
[12:32] <gnomefreak> im behind you 200%
[12:32] <hjmf> ty :)
[12:32] <asac> hjmf: go
[12:32] <asac> add your name
[12:32] <hjmf> OK
[12:33] <Fjodor> gnomefreak: At any rate, I'll leave the subject. Just hope you get to sleep normally sometime :-)
[12:33] <gnomefreak> i will when i get home today
[12:33] <asac> hjmf: if you get to know that you cannot attend remove your name
[12:34] <hjmf> asac: Ok, then I'll append my name to that list, lets see
[12:34] <gnomefreak> shoot
[12:34] <gnomefreak> elmo and who
[12:36] <gnomefreak> omfg who is it :(
[12:36] <asac> who is what?
[12:37] <gnomefreak> elmo mako and mark are the 3 orig memberse
[12:37] <gnomefreak> -e
[12:37] <gnomefreak> elmo almost never around, mako and mark pretty much same
[12:38] <gnomefreak> those would be the ones to ask'
[12:38] <gnomefreak> hjmf: congrats on your membership ;)
[12:39] <gnomefreak> hjmf: you wont have a problem getting it
[12:39] <gnomefreak> your bug work alone will more than likely be all you need
[12:40] <asac> hjmf: yeah gnomefreak is right .... do you see what is going on in bts
[12:41] <asac> all cores are removed if bugs are rejected/resolved
[12:41] <asac> ... or from all duplicates
[12:41] <asac> ... so await lots of bug-spam on gtk_style_realize
[12:41] <hjmf> asac gnomefreak ty
[12:41] <gnomefreak> yw
[12:41] <hjmf> asac: noticed the bug spam
[12:41] <asac> ...since all duplicates get at least one mail now :)
[12:41] <asac> which goes to main bug as well ... reasonably :)
[12:42] <asac> lets see how many jump off from subscription list after this flood :)
[12:43] <hjmf> asac: I also noticed that gutsy are autotagged for retrace
[12:43] <hjmf> *gutsy bugs
[12:43] <hjmf> though none of which I've seen seem to have a crash attached
[12:44] <hjmf> e.g. bug 120634
[12:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120634 in firefox "[GUTSY]  firefox crashed" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120634
[12:44] <asac> really?
[12:44] <hjmf> dunnot it that crash was removed, but it doesn't have the stacktrace, nor the coredump
[12:44] <asac> wierd ... maybe reporter aborted upload?
[12:44] <hjmf> other example I found this morning from gnash
[12:45] <hjmf> bug 120916
[12:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120916 in gnash "gnash crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120916
[12:46] <asac> hmmm ... lets wait a few more ... then ping pitte
[12:46] <asac> pitt
[12:46] <asac> t
[12:46] <asac> pitti
[12:46] <asac> :-D
[12:46] <hjmf> yep I was thinking the same
[12:46] <asac> hjmf: afaik there is some work going on to make coredumps
[12:46] <asac> private
[12:46] <asac> so people don't expose their credit cards et al
[12:47] <asac> i am not sure if this is the case here
[12:47] <asac> afaik there will be team based access-control
[12:47] <hjmf> asac: yes I read the specification some time ago, but I expected to see the retraces directly when the bug gets public w/o the coredump
[12:47] <hjmf> probably it is not yet implemented, I thought it would take some more time
[12:48] <asac> hjmf: afaik the retraces are subject to review before pushing them to public as well
[12:48] <hjmf> ah
[12:48] <asac> e.g. soem team member has to review if there is some  sensible info visible ... if not open
[12:48] <asac> hjmf: at least its actively worked on atm ... as you see progress in deleting coredumps :)
[12:48] <hjmf> yes you are right :)
[12:49] <asac> lets give them a few days
[12:49] <asac> to sort things out
[12:49] <hjmf> I'm anxious! :-P
[12:50] <gnomefreak> im getting crash reports sort of nautilus crashed yesterday and there was a report in my home dir
[12:50] <hjmf> Im waiting for a bunch of reports from gutsy
[12:50] <asac> in your home dir?
[12:50] <asac> hjmf: yes ... me too
[12:51] <gnomefreak> asac: yep
[12:51] <asac> but its not yet turned on afaik
[12:51] <asac> afaik the idea is: as long as privacy issues are not resolved, don't turn it on
[12:51] <asac> at lesat thats what was said at last weeks development team meeting
[12:51] <gnomefreak> it was giving me an empty file named core (in whatever dir you are cd'ed into when running from terminal)
[12:52] <hjmf> which are the requisites to access private bugs?
[12:52] <asac> you are cced
[12:52] <asac> afaik
[12:52] <hjmf> ah
[12:52] <asac> or assignee
[12:52] <asac> i have no idea
[12:52] <hjmf> ah ok :)
[12:52] <asac> i have just seen one private bug so far that is kind of support request
[12:53] <asac> ... from a canonical customer
[12:53] <gnomefreak> ok bbl shower time so i can get going long drive :(
[12:53] <asac> but that is a bug that is not even specific ;)
[12:53] <asac> hjmf: the idea is to allow the right teams to see the bugs
[12:54] <gnomefreak> btw firefox-trunk has been updated and fixed in preview (if anyone noticed it was borked. and gnash is done
[12:54] <asac> gnomefreak: gnash is done? ... didn't i pushed it over to my archive yesterday already?
[12:54] <gnomefreak> asac: did you grab the 386 binaries?
[12:55] <asac> afaik yes
[12:55] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:55] <gnomefreak> than scratch that gnash one
[12:55] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/gnash-feisty/
[12:55] <gnomefreak> trunk still fixed ;)
[12:55] <asac> ok
[12:55] <asac> ;)
[12:55] <asac> fine
[12:55] <gnomefreak> ok im out
[12:55] <hjmf> asac: lets wait we are the first group allowed to see mozilla bugs :-P
[12:55] <hjmf> asac: gnomefreak I'm off for a while, see you
[12:55] <asac> hjmf: ok
[12:55] <gnomefreak> me too
[12:55] <asac> hjmf: cu
[12:56] <gnomefreak> cu you
[12:56] <asac> i am out for lunch now
[12:56] <asac> need to get coffee (prio 1 task)
[01:42] <asac> k coffee ... cigarettes ... all here
[01:42] <asac> me as well of course :)
[01:42] <DarkMageZ> anyone notice apport doing a cleanup?
[01:48] <asac> yeah ... coredumps get removed from issues that are resolved somehow
[04:35] <asac> i hate changelog syntax errors
[04:36] <asac> ok found :)
[05:14] <asac> bluekuja: you want to adopt libagg in debian?
[06:17] <hjmf> hmm, again no backtrace, no coredump: bug 121007
[06:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121007 in firefox "firefox-bin crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121007
[06:19] <hjmf> same on bug 121014
[06:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121014 in firefox "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121014
[06:19] <asac> hjmf: i will talk to pitti tomorrow
[06:20] <asac> i guess all new crashes are hidden atm
[06:20] <hjmf> asac: I guess that too, I'll look for what apport-crash tag means
[06:20] <asac> probably means that apport runners should look in to hidden archive to get the crash dump
[06:21] <asac> and try auto-dupe merge ... etc .... no idea
[06:21] <asac> if you find out, let me know :)
[06:21] <hjmf> ok
[06:27] <hjmf> asac: not that exact tag, but this is the specification:
[06:27] <hjmf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CrashReporting
[06:27] <hjmf> 1. Create Launchpad users which control access to the bug, split by main/restricted and universe/multiverse.
[06:27] <hjmf> 2. Apport files bugs as private/nonsecurity by default, with only the crash reprocessing bot subscribed (Launchpad user apport, the "Apport retracing service").
[06:27] <hjmf> 3. The retracing bot generates the symbolic stack traces, handles duplicates (see [UbuntuSpec] apport-crash-duplicates), and removes the core dump attachment. Then it subscribes the relevant team to the bug.
[06:27] <hjmf> 4. The triaging teams regularly inspect crash reports (preferably prioritized by number of duplicates). After verifying that a stack trace does not contain sensitive information, they can set the bug to "public".
[06:28] <hjmf> I guess the system is working but we cannot see it !?
[06:29] <hjmf> or the retraces aren't working right
[06:30] <asac> he?
[06:30] <asac> hjmf: i will figure out ... since i am in core dev i should be able to see those bugs (if any exist already)
[06:31] <asac> hjmf: ping me tomorrow about this ... we have to find a way to involve people from mozillateam in trace evaluation
[06:31] <asac> lets see
[06:31] <hjmf> asac: ok. I'll be patient then, I wont triage those ones until we know something :)
[06:31] <asac> actually i have no idea how to search for those crash reports
[06:32] <asac> hjmf: there are no bugs cced to core-dev
[06:32] <asac> atm
[06:32] <asac> so maybe this has even been moved to a different team or bugs are just not yet CCed to teams
[06:32] <asac> (or bugs are not yet created :))
[06:33] <asac> i guess the latter
[06:36] <bluekuja> heya asac!
[06:36] <bluekuja> just went home from work
[06:36] <bluekuja> :)
[06:37] <asac> bluekuja: heya
[06:37] <asac> i will went out soon out from my home/work to the streets of hamburg :)
[06:37] <bluekuja> asac: :D
[06:37] <bluekuja> asac: talk me about libagg please :)
[06:37] <bluekuja> looks interesting
[06:37] <asac> bluekuja: currently maintainer by ooo team
[06:38] <asac> bluekuja: but according to baby they will drop it
[06:38] <asac> bluekuja: she told me that she will adopt it
[06:38] <asac> bluekuja: but honestly, i don't feel good about her maintaining a library
[06:38] <asac> bluekuja: so i am looking for someone with technical potential to package a library properly :)
[06:38] <asac> e.g. we will need this for gnash soon
[06:39] <bluekuja> asac: sounds good, does it need an update?
[06:39] <bluekuja> e.g new release
[06:39] <asac> (unless we use opengl for gutsy)
[06:39] <asac> bluekuja: i think so ... 2.4 is in ... 2.5 is out
[06:39] <asac> :)
[06:39] <bluekuja> great! :)
[06:39] <asac> bluekuja: please do not yet start ... i will talk to debian openoffice maintainers first
[06:39] <asac> just wanted to know if you would be willing to adopt
[06:40] <bluekuja> asac: yeah, it's ok for me. Now I finish work at 5 o'clock, after I will be free for it
[06:40] <bluekuja> so ok
[06:40] <bluekuja> :)
[06:40] <bluekuja> asac: keep me updated :)
[06:41] <asac> will
[06:43] <bluekuja> sounds great :)
[06:45] <bluekuja> asac: btw  who is baby?
[06:46] <bluekuja> asac: ctorrent in testing
[06:46] <bluekuja> :)
[06:48] <asac> bluekuja: baby is debian gnash maintainer
[06:49] <asac> bluekuja: congrats
[06:49] <bluekuja> asac: :)
[06:49] <bluekuja> asac: verlihub will be a great package
[06:49] <bluekuja> a lot of ppl use it
[06:49] <asac> hehe
[06:49] <asac> yeah finally maybe some bug traffic
[06:49] <asac> for you
[06:49] <bluekuja> yup :)
[06:49] <asac> how many bugs processed?
[06:50] <asac> so far?
[06:50] <bluekuja> mmm...
[06:50] <asac> 2? :)
[06:50] <bluekuja> something like 3-4
[06:50] <bluekuja> I think
[06:50] <bluekuja> :)
[06:50] <asac> we all hope :)
[06:50] <bluekuja> :)
[06:50] <bluekuja> is huge
[06:50] <asac> i even hope that they will do so for gutsy
[06:50] <bluekuja> ahha
[06:51] <bluekuja> yeah :
[06:51] <bluekuja> I want greatparadise in!
[06:51] <asac> its not yet really huge
[06:51] <asac> there where times where lots of packages were multiple month old :)
[06:51] <asac> there were
[06:51] <bluekuja> really??
[06:51] <asac> yes
[06:51] <bluekuja> for debconf ?
[06:51] <bluekuja> like this time
[06:51] <asac> no ... for no ftpmaster spare-time :)
[06:52] <bluekuja> oh :D
[06:52] <asac> and noone else with permissions ;)
[06:52] <bluekuja> how many ftp-masters are there?
[06:52] <asac> dunno at that point there were 2 :)
[06:52] <bluekuja> :D
[06:52] <bluekuja> what's the process to become ftp-masters?
[06:52] <asac> now it should be 6? no idea
[06:52] <asac> thats not documented
[06:53] <bluekuja> a DD with a lot of experience
[06:53] <bluekuja> in fact
[06:53] <asac> which actually was one of the big reasons for huge ml-wars in the past
[06:54] <bluekuja> well, ftp-masters can control all the package's traffic
[06:54] <asac> two main problems: bottleneck of ftp-master, bottleneck in security team, in release team and of course *DAM* :-D
[06:54] <asac> 4 main problems :)
[06:54] <asac> i can't tell how much energy was wasted for those discussions
[06:55] <asac> but probably 90% ;)
[06:55] <bluekuja> :D
[06:55] <bluekuja> asac: are you a DAM member?
[06:55] <asac> hehe
[06:55] <bluekuja> e.g you can process new maintainers
[06:55] <asac> no
[06:55] <bluekuja> your decision?
[06:56] <asac> i am an AM (application manager) ... i only help, test and push out a recommondation
[06:56] <asac> then there is frontdesk that quality assures my recommondation before it goes to dam state
[06:56] <bluekuja> cool
[06:56] <asac> there is 1 person reviewing things yet another time before the application gets pushed to the single person allowed to add things to keyring
[06:56] <asac> elmo
[06:56] <asac> ;)
[06:56] <bluekuja> :D
[06:57] <asac> huge bottleneck
[06:57] <bluekuja> elmo is the only one that can add a key to the debian keyring?
[06:57] <asac> but its ok ... somehow the job is done and the DAM queue is under control
[06:57] <asac> yes
[06:57] <asac> joerg (ganneff) is the second DAM
[06:57] <bluekuja> that's really nice
[06:58] <asac> but afaik he still can't add by himself
[06:58] <asac> he just gives green light and elmo trusts him to a good extend
[06:58] <asac> i don't know if this is really nice
[06:58] <asac> it just takes ages
[06:58] <asac> to go through NM
[06:59] <bluekuja> yeah
[06:59] <asac> ... but having short time contributors doesn't help much either
[06:59] <asac> so ... i am not one of those that says that this needs an immediate fix
[06:59] <bluekuja> yeah, you're right
[07:00] <bluekuja> asac: why not at debconf?
[07:01] <asac> my bad. i somehow missed the train ... but i don't think its that important :) ... though would have been nice. now i can work more on my specs :)
[07:02] <bluekuja> hehee
[07:02] <bluekuja> yeah :)
[07:02] <asac> and this weekend i don't have time anyway :) ... family calls.
[07:02] <bluekuja> :D
[07:02] <bluekuja> I'll be at the sea
[07:02] <bluekuja> ^^
[07:02] <asac> i wanted to go to mozilla developer day in paris, but didn't because of that :)
[07:03] <asac> hmmm i think we should drop xulrunner python xpcom package from ubuntu
[07:03] <bluekuja> y?
[07:04] <asac> lurked on irc that bsmedberg wants this to be maintained outside of xulrunner ... basically doesn't want to maintain the code
[07:04] <asac> i think he found out that python2.5 broke api ... and python xpcom doesn build against new python anymore
[07:05] <asac> i started to do a real fix, but then it was not just a line :)
[07:06] <bluekuja> :D
[07:06] <bluekuja> asac: do you have a minute for a merge?
[07:06] <bluekuja> :)
[07:06] <asac> simple one?
[07:07] <bluekuja> yup
[07:07] <asac> don't ask to ask ;)
[07:07] <asac> give me a link i let you know
[07:07] <bluekuja> adding the bug
[07:07] <bluekuja> :)
[07:07] <bluekuja> just a moment
[07:09] <bluekuja> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpib/+bug/121022
[07:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121022 in gpib "Merge gpib 3.2.06-3.2 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[07:10] <asac> -binary-predeb/php4-gpib::
[07:10] <asac> -	echo "php:Depends=phpapi-$(phpapiver)" >> debian/php4-gpib.substvars
[07:10] <asac> -
[07:10] <asac> ups
[07:10] <asac> is that needed to fullfill the task to
[07:10] <asac> Don't build a php4 module anymore
[07:10] <asac> ?
[07:10] <bluekuja> yeah
[07:10] <asac> i mean it would build without that hunk, right?
[07:11] <bluekuja> yeah, I build it now to be sure
[07:11] <asac> yeah ... drop that hunk
[07:11] <asac> its easier to reenable later
[07:11] <bluekuja> yeah, it has been dropped
[07:11] <bluekuja> now building
[07:12] <asac> yeah ... update debdiff
[07:12] <asac> where is the merge in merges.ubuntu.com
[07:12] <bluekuja> asac: http://dad.dunnewind.net/gpib/
[07:13] <asac> bluekuja: where can i see it on merges.ubuntu.com
[07:14] <asac> why is there no merge requested for that package
[07:14] <bluekuja> asac: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[07:14] <bluekuja> check gpib
[07:15] <asac> why do we need to disable that package?
[07:16] <bluekuja> which?
[07:16] <bluekuja> asac: we just need to report remaining changes
[07:16] <asac> the one that is disabled
[07:16] <bluekuja> added before
[07:16] <bluekuja> so if a developer added it, it should be kept
[07:16] <bluekuja> when merging again
[07:17] <asac> not true ... it whould be verified if its still needed to carry the difference
[07:17] <asac> the goal is to get in synch again
[07:17] <asac> so 1. find reason why it was disabled
[07:17] <bluekuja> yeah
[07:17] <bluekuja> but
[07:17] <asac> 2. check if reason still exists
[07:17] <bluekuja> debian did not add it
[07:17] <bluekuja> so we cant sync
[07:17] <asac> he?
[07:18] <bluekuja> i mean
[07:18] <bluekuja> debian didnt add anything regarding it on new changelog entry
[07:18] <bluekuja> so we assume that those changes should be kept for ubuntu
[07:19] <asac> bluekuja: point is ... when was this reviewed the last time
[07:20] <bluekuja> asac: for feisty
[07:20] <asac> if you see that change was introduced in same upstream version ... then yes
[07:20] <asac> otherwise, it should be checked
[07:20] <bluekuja> yeah
[07:20] <bluekuja> that's right
[07:21] <bluekuja> asac: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/tipa/tipa_1.3-7_all.deb
[07:22] <asac> dunno what that is about :)
[07:23] <bluekuja> was trying to get build it
[07:23] <bluekuja> and one of the deps
[07:23] <bluekuja> is tipe
[07:23] <bluekuja> *tipa
[07:23] <bluekuja> I don't know why it does not get the last version
[07:24] <bluekuja> (is not specified in debian control)
[07:24] <bluekuja> sending it to build-machine
[07:24] <bluekuja> something wrong with my pbuilder
[07:24] <bluekuja> (maybe)
[07:30] <bluekuja> asac: gonna ping you with build logs
[07:31] <bluekuja> in a min
[07:34] <asac> yeah in 2 min i am out :)
[07:34] <asac> so better hurry ;)
[07:35] <bluekuja> yeah!
[07:35] <bluekuja> :)
[07:35] <asac> bluekuja: please figure out why php4 was dropped
[07:35] <asac> maybe contact the developer doing this ;)
[07:35] <bluekuja> yeah, is geser
[07:35] <asac> otherwise we cannot decide on this
[07:36] <asac> yeah .. .ask him ... just let me know ... i am out more or less
[07:36] <bluekuja> asac: you will be back later?
[07:38] <asac> maybe
[07:38] <bluekuja> asac: I take it as a "yes"
[07:38] <bluekuja> :P
[07:38] <asac> haha ... don't count on it
[07:38] <asac> i will try
[07:38] <bluekuja> sounds great! :)
[07:47] <hjmf> this one looks better despite the horrible summary; bug 121027
[07:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121027 in gnash "gnash crashed with SIGSEGV in std::_Rb_tree<boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object>, boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object>, std::_Identity<boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object> >, std::less<boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object> >, std::allocator<boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object> > >::erase()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121027
[07:47] <hjmf> it has a retrace and the coredump attached
[07:49] <hjmf> maybe the other bug reports were some kind of *short crash reports*; dunno
[09:15] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: you can build a custom clue file for that
[09:15] <Admiral_Chicago> they are both in tags
[09:15] <bluekuja> Admiral_Chicago, he's away
[09:15] <bluekuja> :)
[09:15] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks bluekuja
[09:15] <bluekuja> np :)
[09:15] <bluekuja> Admiral_Chicago, I've seen your photo
[09:15] <bluekuja> on lp
[09:16] <bluekuja> is it currently photo or younger?
[09:16] <Admiral_Chicago> uh, it was taken last year
[09:16] <bluekuja> cool
[09:16] <bluekuja> how old are you?
[09:16] <Admiral_Chicago> 20 now
[09:16] <bluekuja> nice
[09:16] <bluekuja> :)
[09:18] <Admiral_Chicago> JenFraggle: around?
[10:00] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[10:02] <gnomefreak> not as odd as it should be :(
[11:31] <asac> raise the curtain :)
[11:34] <asac> bluekuja: i am here ... while not at full conscience :)
[11:57] <asac> bluekuja: ok no problem ... i am out :) ... doing some more bug processing as a sleeping pill ;)
[12:10] <gnomefreak> ;)
[12:12] <asac> pushed tbirds bugs down to one page aka 75 bugs :)
[12:13] <asac> firefox stillat 575
[12:14] <asac> and 1350 or something if you don't eliminate duplicates
[12:15] <Gustavo> Hi all. Why when a checkout firefox 2.0.0.4 and build-it, when it starts its named "Bon Echo" and not "Firefox"?
[12:15] <asac> yeah ... because its not configured to be an official
[12:15] <asac> build
[12:15] <asac> Gustavo: anyway .. this is the wrong place to ask
[12:16] <asac> unless you want to build ubuntu/debian packages :)
[12:16] <asac> go irc.mozilla.org
[12:16] <Gustavo> I'm sorry. But thanks for the help.
[12:16] <asac> or http://forums.mozillazine.org
[12:16] <asac> np
[12:16] <Gustavo> asac: Bye and thankyou
[12:16] <asac> Gustavo: but if you are
[12:16] <asac> :)
[12:16] <asac> bye
[12:16] <asac> ;)
[12:17] <gnomefreak> wtf is wrong with wiki
[12:17] <asac> slow ?
[12:17] <gnomefreak> no
[12:17] <gnomefreak> not showing up as it should
[12:17] <asac> he?
[12:17] <asac> startpage looks ok here
[12:17] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage/Responses+
[12:17] <gnomefreak> oops
[12:17] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage/Responses  scroll to bottom
[12:18] <gnomefreak> its not showing up like code
[12:18] <asac> not for me :)
[12:18] <asac> works for me
[12:18] <gnomefreak> it looks fine?
[12:18] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[12:18] <asac> yeah
[12:18] <asac> try to reload
[12:18] <asac> with shift
[12:18] <asac> or ctrl
[12:18] <asac> ctrl+r
[12:18] <asac> :)
[12:18] <asac> ctr+shift+r
[12:18] <asac> ctrl+shift+r
[12:18] <asac> :)
[12:19] <gnomefreak> im using ff
[12:19] <asac> trunk build?
[12:20] <asac> gnomefreak: did tbird have a soft landing :)
[12:20] <asac> or anyone complains on other channels that things are broken
[12:20] <asac> ;)
[12:20] <gnomefreak> its there i havent heard anything yet
[12:20] <asac> good
[12:20] <asac> should have been soft
[12:21] <asac> but who knows ;)
[12:21] <gnomefreak> it was final 2.0.0.4?
[12:21] <asac> yeah
[12:21] <asac> released on friday
[12:21] <asac> i subscribed to a total of 4 new mailing lists
[12:21] <asac> so i won't miss announcement next time
[12:22] <asac> they apparently don't announce final releases on security list nor security-announce anymore
[12:22] <asac> i knew that i missed something ;)
[12:22] <gnomefreak> damnit wtf
[12:22] <asac> but it was not critical ... gutsy only + i uploaded security fixes with rc1 already
[12:22] <asac> afaik there was no change from rc1 to final anyway
[12:22] <asac> other than version.txt
[12:22] <asac> ;)
[12:22] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:24] <gnomefreak> i cant get it to look right its starting to piss me off
[12:24] <asac> what?
[12:24] <asac> trun?
[12:24] <asac> trunk?
[12:24] <gnomefreak> Thanks for your report. Your idea might get more attention and have the possibility of being implemented if you submit a specification for it. First check whether the idea is already registered <[WWW]  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs>, and if so, contact the specification's drafter about your ideas. Otherwise, you can start writing a spec yourself. <[WWW]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureSpecifications>
[12:24] <gnomefreak> that part looks right to you?
[12:24] <asac> why not?
[12:24] <gnomefreak> no firefox 2.0.0.4
[12:24] <gnomefreak> [[[Thanks for your report. Your idea might get more attention and have the possibility of being implemented if you submit a specification for it. First check whether the idea is already registered <[WWW]  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs>, and if so, contact the specification's drafter about your ideas. Otherwise, you can start writing a spec yourself. <[WWW]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureSpecifications> ] ] ] 
[12:24] <asac> everything on wiki looks good for me in ffox 2.0.0.4
[12:25] <asac> in feisty though
[12:25] <gnomefreak> thats how im seeing it
[12:25] <asac> give me the link again please
[12:25] <gnomefreak> with the brakets
[12:25] <asac> have it
[12:25] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage/Responses
[12:25] <asac> gnomefreak: yes
[12:25] <asac> thats in deed broken
[12:25] <asac> but its most likely a syntax error in wiki text
[12:26] <asac> it should be
[12:26] <gnomefreak> so its not me
[12:26] <asac> {{{ .... }}}
[12:26] <asac> no
[12:26] <gnomefreak> k
[12:26] <asac> its wrong wiki formatting
[12:26] <asac> wanna change?
[12:26] <asac> just replace [[[ -> {{{ and ] ] ]  -> }}}
[12:26] <gnomefreak> yeah i noticed that now
[12:26] <gnomefreak> ty
[12:27] <gnomefreak> small font here in firefox
[12:27] <asac> actually i am not happy with only those kind of feature request template
[12:27] <asac> we shouldn't post that if its a feature request for upstream