[03:06] <ix__> hi
[04:28] <thedrummer> hello all. . can anybody answer questions about a good video capture card?
[04:32] <OpenMedia> First up where in the world are you. Next is what are you capturing from
[04:35] <thedrummer> :-d.. I'm in Michigan, USA
[04:35] <OpenMedia> So will you be capturing SD/HD ?
[04:36] <thedrummer>  I was in this room yesterday, but i'm trying to find a dirt cheap card used to Encode video streams .. I was told that the  Hauppauge pvr-150 is perfect, but i'm looking for the most Dirt - cheap one..
[04:36] <thedrummer> I have a slow computer, so the Device would have to have it's own processing
[04:36] <OpenMedia> Cheap != goodness
[04:36] <OpenMedia> PVR 150 cards just tend to work, and are great to offload CPU
[04:36] <thedrummer> i'm trying to build a home-made DVR pretty much.. out of a PIII with 256 mb of RAM
[04:37] <thedrummer> i see
[04:37] <thedrummer> i guess i'm just cheap :-d
[04:38] <OpenMedia> Not worth the pain of using a framegrabber unless you want to capture raw video and transcode later.
[04:38] <thedrummer> is the pvr-150 a framegrabber?
[04:38] <thedrummer> would that be ideal to put a PVR-150 in an old computer?
[04:39] <thedrummer> i guess i just want to be able to Pause , rewind.. and maybe record video streams on live tv
[04:39] <OpenMedia> PVR-150 is and MPEG-2 HW capture. Cheaper cards are framegrabbers where you need to encode in software with sufficient CPU grunt
[04:40] <thedrummer> ahhh.. yeah I guess i should avoid using the CPU .. i see what you're saying.
[04:40] <thedrummer> Everywhere I search on the internet for PVR-150 .. it doesn't come with the REMOTE .. i would need the remote, right?
[04:41] <OpenMedia> There are multiple versions.
[04:41] <OpenMedia> 1. the old PVR-150 with a Hauppauge remote
[04:41] <OpenMedia> 2. The bare PVR-150 MCE OEM
[04:41] <OpenMedia> 3. The PVR 150 MCE Kit with a USB remote
[04:41] <thedrummer> oh boy . .hahaah
[04:41] <OpenMedia> I'd go for 3 if the price is good
[04:42] <OpenMedia> The remote is easy to setup with mythtv. its the one we use on mypvr.
[04:42] <thedrummer> sweet. I'm going ot search for it.. so far, not much luck on google, but i'm sure it's out there
[04:43] <OpenMedia> Searching for it in stock, or for the drivers. Just hit up somewhere like newegg for stock details
[04:45] <thedrummer> it's about 89.99.. on newegg.
[04:45] <thedrummer> i'm poor.
[04:45] <thedrummer> lol
[04:45] <thedrummer> maybe i'll save money.
[04:45] <thedrummer> haha
[04:45] <OpenMedia> What would you define as a cheap card then?
[04:45] <thedrummer> 50 or 60 bucks
[04:46] <OpenMedia> It is worth US$30 for the low pain associated with the card.
[04:46] <thedrummer> ok. that's good to hear. I really appreciate your help by the way
[04:47] <OpenMedia> Hey no worried. Been there. I have an old saa7134 based framegrabber card I never use any more as PVR-150 cards just work
[04:48] <thedrummer> yeah. that's some more confidence to know that the card can handle the processing
[04:52] <OpenMedia> Oh seriously. Like under 1% cpu load. Just don't enable the VBI support.
[04:53] <thedrummer> what is VBI may i ask ?  :-d
[04:54] <OpenMedia> Vertical Blank Interrupt, used to decode Teletext
[04:54] <OpenMedia> Oh sorry. I should have said "Yes you may ask" first ;)
[04:54] <thedrummer> hahaah
[04:55] <thedrummer> thanks though
[04:55] <OpenMedia> You building on feisty or mythbuntu?
[04:56] <thedrummer> I downloaded the Mythbuntu (feisty) ISO
[04:56] <thedrummer> so I think it's just pure Mythbuntu
[04:56] <thedrummer> i'm not ready to install it yet because i didn't buy any hardware..
[04:56] <thedrummer> do you think my Radeon 9600 will work for the TV Output ?
[04:57] <OpenMedia> Hmm ati tvout. Sorry I'm an Nvidia man
[04:58] <thedrummer> my Radeon 9600 has Vga  and DVI out
[04:59] <thedrummer> i just wonder if it would be compatible
[05:02] <OpenMedia> DVI -> TV should be OK. Thought you mean composite or SVideo
[05:02] <thedrummer> oh. no. I just bought a DVI to HDMI cable for about 5 dollars online.. I just wonder if it's real
[05:02] <thedrummer> :-d
[05:03] <thedrummer> the website is  riteav.com
[05:03] <thedrummer> the prices are unbelieavable
[05:07] <thedrummer> DO you honestly think it's worth to make a Mythtv setup for my home tv ?.. i mean. does it make tv that much more likeable?
[05:14] <OpenMedia> http://www.mypvr.co.nz
[05:14] <OpenMedia> Couldn't live without it.
[05:30] <thedrummer> awesome. thanks
[05:30] <superm1> thedrummer, a few words of warning
[05:30] <superm1> the feisty ISO isn't good for a full install
[05:30] <superm1> completely unless you perform an update in the live env
[05:31] <superm1> ( feisty mythbuntu iso )
[05:31] <superm1> some stuff was broken at alpha 1 announce
[05:31] <thedrummer> oh. ok. Which one, in your opinion, is stable?
[05:33] <superm1> thedrummer, if you want to try the gutsy ISO
[05:33] <superm1> just put it up yesterday
[05:37] <OpenMedia> superm1: Did you organise somewhere to stay for UbuntuLive?
[05:37] <thedrummer> thanks. Saved me a lot of time
[05:49] <cdg52_> hi
[05:49] <cdg52_> wtf it saying my nickname is not registered
[05:49] <cdg52_> o hey wtf
[05:52] <cdg52> asd
[05:53] <cdg52> ahh all better
[05:55] <superm1> OpenMedia, not yet.  I mailed imbrandon, as soon as he responds we can can get something arranged hopefully
[10:53] <ubotu> New bug: #90710 in qt-x11-free (multiverse) "mythtv crashes on exit with SIGSEGV in QApplication::~QApplication()" [Low,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90710
[05:07] <superm1> good morning Daviey
[05:07] <laga> morning
[05:08] <superm1> morning laga
[05:08] <laga> how's life today?
[05:08] <superm1> busier than necessary as usual
[05:09] <laga> yup :(
[05:37] <superm1> keescook, I fixed a few of those bugs for mythplugins/mythtv and changed the versioning system this weekend to the style we discussed in the channel a few weeks ago.  I also added support to debian/rules to build the original .tar.gz.  Would you be able to look them over?
[05:37] <superm1> both are in the respective bzr branches
[05:39] <keescook> superm1: nice! I probably won't have time today, but should tomorrow.
[06:52] <kruuli> elo all
[07:09] <superm1> great keescook :)
[07:09] <superm1> thanks
[07:22] <kruuli> is there a way to search for a file in the terminal emulator?
[07:31] <kruuli> "grep -i -n " ^^
[09:28] <rogue780> kruuli, you having unichrome issues?
[11:46] <superm1> kruuli, i just got back
[11:46] <superm1> did you sort out your file finding issue in the term?
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[11:49] <DaveMorris> !mythbuntu
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[11:52] <kruuli> DaveMorris!
[11:53] <superm1> Hi DaveMorris
[11:53] <kruuli> since you are the unichrome  expert i have a question for ya :)
[11:53] <DaveMorris> shoot
[11:54] <kruuli> since we did the install ive been unable to play movies .. i get "X11 error: BadAlloc" on everything
[11:54] <kruuli> think its about my shared ram
[11:54] <kruuli> added alots of options to the xorg.conf with no luck
[11:54] <kruuli> and im recompiling the drivers as we speak :p
[11:55] <DaveMorris> hmmm
[11:55] <DaveMorris> does mythtv work fine?
[11:55] <superm1> sounds like a problem with either Xv not being active
[11:55] <superm1> or not working
[11:56] <superm1> does the command
[11:56] <superm1> xvinfo
[11:56] <kruuli> DaveMorris nope no movies at all
[11:56] <superm1> work
[11:56] <superm1> ?
[11:56] <superm1> can you pastebin its output
[11:56] <DaveMorris> http://parker1.co.uk/epia_ubuntu.php - you looked at the XcMC option in that doc?
[11:56] <kruuli> ill try .. just reinstalled the driver
[11:56] <kruuli> yes DaveMorris
[11:57] <kruuli> been googling the shit out of google .. and some people has this problem but its all old posts so its kinda wierd .. cant find any new stuff on it
[11:57] <kruuli> something about a bug that always returns my ram to 0 for the player
[11:58] <superm1> kruuli, DaveMorris is openchrome open source?
[11:58] <DaveMorris> yes
[11:58] <superm1> why isn't it packaged then for ubuntu yet?
[11:58] <kruuli> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6151
[11:58] <ubotu> Freedesktop bug 6151 in Driver/nVidia (open) "xv doesn't work with nv driver (at 1680x1050x24)" [Major,Resolved: fixed] 
[11:59] <DaveMorris> http://www.pastebin.ca/575178
[11:59] <DaveMorris> is my device section
[12:00] <superm1> DaveMorris, so in doing apt-cache search via | grep xserver - there is xserver-xorg-video-via and xserver-xorg-video-unichrome
[12:00] <superm1> what are those?
[12:00] <DaveMorris> superm1 neither
[12:01] <DaveMorris> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
[12:01] <superm1> http://wiki.openchrome.org/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=About+openChrome
[12:01] <superm1> its a fork of unichrome
[12:01] <superm1> oh
[12:01] <DaveMorris> unichrome is VIA's drivers
[12:01] <DaveMorris> I belive
[12:02] <superm1> okay so from that h.u.c page
[12:02] <superm1> there are two branches
[12:02] <superm1> that need to be built
[12:03] <DaveMorris> kruuli: try setting this in the device section
[12:03] <DaveMorris> VideoRam    [sizeofmemonry] 
[12:03] <superm1> okay this needs to be packaged for Ubuntu.  this is pretty ridiculous that its not already :)
[12:03] <kruuli> already done it :)
[12:04] <kruuli> ill try the settings you posted
[12:04] <kruuli> superm1 how do i copy the stuff from the terminal window that xvinfo spits out?
[12:04] <kruuli> got gedit now .. does it make a log file somewhere?
[12:04] <rogue780> kruuli, did you fix your unichrome issue? because if not I can tell you what to do
[12:05] <kruuli> rogue780 no i have not fixed it
[12:05] <rogue780> ah
[12:05] <rogue780> what's really fun is getting unichrome + tv out to work well :)
[12:05] <rogue780> and, wow, windows NT 4.0 is fun
[12:05] <rogue780> fun fun
[12:05] <kruuli> dont need tv out :)
[12:05] <kruuli> using the vga
[12:07] <DaveMorris> rogue780: I have openchrome and tvout working for PAL
[12:07] <DaveMorris> had to patch the source
[12:08] <rogue780> DaveMorris, I had to find a random xorg.conf variable
[12:09] <superm1> kruuli, if you are using gedit, ctrl-a and then ctrl-c
[12:09] <superm1> and then open FF
[12:09] <superm1> and go to !pastebin
[12:09] <superm1> !pastebin
[12:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:09] <superm1> and then paste it there
[12:09] <DaveMorris> what board are you using?  I've got the epia EN1500, its actually over powered for a frontend :)
[12:09] <rogue780> holy flying donglberry! windows NT4 comes with IE 2.0
[12:11] <kruuli> superm1 yeah but how do i get the info from the terminal window? :)
[12:12] <kruuli> DaveMorris using the EPIA M 933mhz 256mb RAM (64 shared with the unichrome graphics card)
[12:12] <superm1> highlight it
[12:13] <kruuli> ok
[12:13] <superm1> and then middle click to paste it
[12:14] <kruuli> graphics card is a Unichrome Apollo CLE266 EZRA to be more specific
[12:16] <superm1> DaveMorris, so is this still up to date info on h.u.c, that you need these two different branches?
[12:16] <DaveMorris> I beleive so
[12:17] <superm1> that makes this a bit more of a pain to package up
[12:18] <DaveMorris> personally jsut support the main lot 1st
[12:18] <kruuli> sudo
[12:18] <DaveMorris> then package the others up as a seperate package
[12:21] <superm1> does this driver conflict with unichrome?
[12:21] <superm1> if its installed
[12:21] <superm1> considering its name is 'via'
[12:23] <DaveMorris> it conflicts with the via driver, the unichrome package renames it to be unichrome
[12:23] <DaveMorris> I suggest the same for an openchrome package
[12:24] <superm1> can you clarify that
[12:24] <kruuli> hum get a blue screen now .. complaining about "generic monitor" is undefined
[12:24] <superm1> so the unichrome conflicts with the via package
[12:24] <superm1> so does openchrome?
[12:24] <DaveMorris> yep
[12:24] <superm1> all 3 use the name via?
[12:24] <superm1> thats ridiculous.
[12:25] <superm1> is this the case for ubuntu packages too?
[12:25] <superm1> or just in general
[12:25] <DaveMorris> superm1 can you see if this patch still compiles aginst it, as it fixes TV-OUT for PAL (not my patch btw) http://greenacre.no-ip.com/dave/rst_patch.txt
[12:25] <DaveMorris> superm1 http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/x11/xserver-xorg-video-unichrome
[12:26] <superm1> okay so perhaps when the openchrome packge is made,it should just be called openchrome
[12:26] <superm1> i see
[12:26] <superm1> good idea
[12:26] <DaveMorris> kruuli: can you pastebing the xorg log file
[12:26] <kruuli> xorg.0.log right?
[12:26] <DaveMorris> yep
[12:26] <superm1> DaveMorris, i won't be able to look right now, or nec today - but i'll look when i can
[12:27] <superm1> can you msg that link to superm1_
[12:27] <superm1> (me @ home)