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Burgundaviashawarma: you still around?05:23
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froudis there an option I can use in dhcp.conf to configure clients with the proxy settings?08:18
BurgundaviaI have no idea08:21
Burgundaviahey froud08:21
froudBurgundavia: hey dude08:22
froud;-) good to see you08:22
froudSurely there must be a simpler method that WPAD08:27
frouds/that/than08:27
shawarmaBurgundavia: At 5:23 AM, I tend to be asleep. :)08:31
Burgundaviashawarma: right, good morning then08:31
Burgundaviahad a good chat with somebody about mass config, ebox, etc.08:32
shawarmaBurgundavia: Yes, good morning.08:32
Burgundaviadoes ebox do multiple machine config yet?08:32
shawarmaBurgundavia: Yup, got an e-mail from him.08:32
shawarmaBurgundavia: No, it doesn't. Yet. It's planned, but not milestoned.08:32
Burgundaviaok, just wondering08:32
Burgundaviawhat else are you working on?08:37
shawarmaRight now, i'm trying to get iptables to compile again.08:46
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Burgundaviaahh08:47
Burgundaviahey ivoks08:47
ivokshi09:02
ivoksand bye :)09:02
ivoksbbl09:02
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[miles] morning guys12:49
[miles] anyone know where I can limit the number of terminals that are created on boot please?12:49
Kamping_Kaiserinittab probably12:50
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fabbione[miles] : what release?12:50
[miles] 6.06lts12:51
fabbioneinittab12:51
shawarma[miles] : Yes, then inittab is right.12:51
shawarma[miles] : For edgy and onwards it would be /etc/event.d/tty*12:52
[miles] thanks guys :)12:52
shawarma[miles] : np12:52
Kamping_Kaisershawarma, hm. i'll have to try and remember that12:54
[miles] damn, I bought $20 of gizmo credit yesterday, confirmed by PP.... but it has not been credited to the gizmo account12:55
[miles] fub12:55
shawarmagizmo?12:55
[miles] nod12:55
[miles] www.gizmoproject.com12:55
[miles] like Skype, it's client software is pretty shite...12:56
[miles] OpenWengo has the best client12:56
[miles] but.. it does not support my USB Phone12:56
shawarmaGo figure. Never heard of it.12:58
Kamping_Kaiserdont remember, wengo or gizmo stored the user password in plaintext in gconf. i forget wheich though12:59
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levanderI've got two links in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled named default and 000-default whose targets is /etc/apache2/sites-available/default.  Is that normal?  05:10
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levanderI'm thinking I should remove one.  What's the standard convention in Ubuntu, to have the link in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled be named default or 000-default?05:15
levanderI just looked in my svk repository of /etc.  000-default was added during the Feisty upgrade.  default has always been there.05:19
shawarmalevander: It should be the 000-one.05:26
shawarmalevander: apache uses the first configured virtualhost as the default, so we prepend 000 to be (almost) sure that it'll be included as the first one.05:27
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levandershawarma: cool thanks05:34
levandershould i file a bug saying the upgrade process doesn't delete the old /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default file doesn't get deleted?05:35
levanderIt just that since feisty has already been frozen, I dunno if official policies would even let anybody fix that bug.05:36
shawarmaSeeing as including it twice doesn't have any effect at all, I wouldn't bother.05:37
shawarmaIt's safer to leave it around that to try to take all the variablees into account.05:38
shawarmaUm.. It's safer to leave it around *than* to try to take all the variablees into account.05:38
levanderWith sites-available/default linked to twice, that "NamedVirtualHost *" directive in included twice in the Apache config, and you get some warning during restart about "* not having any Virtual Hosts in it"05:41
levanderThat's the only thing.  I had to google for an hour or so to find out what the problem was.  Finally figured out that it was because of having NameVirtualHost twice, and that it was in there twice because of the two links.05:42
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KennyTheGeekshawarma: any spare time? :P i got 2 nics now, and a cable...08:07
KennyTheGeekthe problem is... i can't get it to assign me an adress from it, so i couldnt check if the other part worked :P08:08
KennyTheGeekand if i got no IP, i have no chance of doing ANYTHING08:08
ivoks?08:13
KennyTheGeekTrying to make my server replace my router.08:13
KennyTheGeekmy router is locked by my isp, and theres no longer any web interface for it.08:14
ivokseh :/08:14
KennyTheGeekand guess what? theres only 6 open, but filtered ports08:14
KennyTheGeekso i can't get my server online, outside my network08:14
KennyTheGeekso my idea: why not let my server replace it? it should be able to run a dhcp server, and funtion as a roui08:15
KennyTheGeek*router08:15
ivoksyou think ports are blocked on router?08:15
KennyTheGeeki KNOW ports a blocked :P08:15
KennyTheGeekdid a port scan08:16
ivoksbut... on router at your home?08:16
KennyTheGeekyeah08:16
ivoksthey could be blocked at ISP (this is what my ISP does)08:16
KennyTheGeeki got it with my internet connection from my ISP08:16
KennyTheGeekmine doesn't08:16
KennyTheGeekmy ISP allows any sort of communication on any ports08:16
ivoksyou have to find out IP address of router and it's routing table08:17
shawarmaivoks: They're blocked in the router.08:17
shawarmaivoks: I've dealt with this particular ISP before.08:17
ivoksok :)08:17
KennyTheGeekivoks: i know the IP, and they locked the routers interface with a serial interface on the back08:17
shawarmaKennyTheGeek: I don't have time to help you, I'm afraid.08:17
KennyTheGeekshawarma: okay then...08:17
shawarmaKennyTheGeek: Someone else might08:17
ivoksKennyTheGeek: use traceroute to find out gateway's IP of your gateway :)08:18
KennyTheGeekyeah... but then again. this channel is... a lazy channel08:18
ivokshm08:18
ivoksthis channel isn't solution provider :)08:18
ivoksand your questions aren't about ubuntu-server, but about fooling with your ISP :)08:19
KennyTheGeekno, the question is about how i make my Ubuntu driven server replace my router. i got dhcp3-server installed, and webmin to configure it, but it just won't work08:20
ivoksdo you know how it should work?08:20
KennyTheGeekyes08:21
ivoksyou can't just replace one box with another08:21
ivoksand expect it to work, magicaly :)08:21
ivoksso, how is your server connected to ISP? over modem?08:21
KennyTheGeeki've configured the dhcp3-server and firewall08:22
KennyTheGeekyes08:22
KennyTheGeekADSL modem08:22
ivoksforget about dhcp server and firewall08:22
KennyTheGeekand no, i expect nothing to work "magically"08:22
ivoksyou have to establish connection to yout ISP first08:22
KennyTheGeekno, i need to get an IP, and get connection to my server again as fast as possible, as it is only controlled with SSH and web interfaces. no screens or keyboards08:22
ivoksok08:23
ivoksthen you need ssh and dhcp3-server08:23
ivoksyou installed that?08:23
KennyTheGeekyes, i got ssh, that's my main means of controlling the server08:24
KennyTheGeekand yes, dhcp3-server is installed, but not happy >_>08:24
ivoksthen you've misconfigured it :)08:24
KennyTheGeeki've followed a guide08:24
ivokswhich one?08:24
KennyTheGeekeh...08:25
KennyTheGeekmoment...08:25
KennyTheGeekhttp://ubuntulinuxhowto.blogspot.com/2006/06/setup-your-computer-to-be-router.html08:25
KennyTheGeekthat should have made the magical stuff, and making it work :P08:25
ivoksomg, webmin08:25
KennyTheGeekyeah...08:26
KennyTheGeekwhats wrong with webmin?08:26
ivoksit's no wonder it doesn't work :)08:26
KennyTheGeekokay...08:26
ivoksssh to your server08:26
KennyTheGeekalready done :P08:26
ivoksand forget about webmin and 'magic' stuff08:26
KennyTheGeeki forgot about magic when i tried Windows 3.11 for the first time >_>08:27
ivoksyou have two network cards?08:27
KennyTheGeekyes08:27
KennyTheGeek1 to the current router, and 1 not connected atm08:27
ivokslocal network is connected to which one?08:27
KennyTheGeeketh0 (onboard)08:27
ivoksok, open /etc/default/dhcp3-server with your favourite editor (vim)08:28
KennyTheGeeknano :P08:28
ivokspih...08:28
ivokslazy people :D08:28
ivoksthere's INTERFACES08:28
KennyTheGeekINTERFACES=eth008:28
ivoksadd eth0 to it08:28
ivoksINTERFACES="eth0"08:28
KennyTheGeekits already there08:28
ivokswith "?08:29
KennyTheGeek?08:29
KennyTheGeekno08:29
KennyTheGeekjust eth008:29
ivoksadd " before and after eth008:29
KennyTheGeeklazy webmin >_>08:29
ivoksjust to be sure...08:30
KennyTheGeekalready done08:30
KennyTheGeekwhats next?08:30
ivokstry restarting your dhcp08:30
ivoks /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart08:31
ivoksdoes it start?08:31
KennyTheGeekyes08:31
KennyTheGeekalso did before, just didn't work08:32
KennyTheGeekwhen i connected my laptop to eth0, and requested an ip through DHCP, i didn't get one08:32
ivoksopen /var/log/syslog (less /var/log/syslog)08:33
ivoksand go to the end (shift g)08:33
KennyTheGeekWrote 2 leases to file08:34
KennyTheGeekall rights reserved08:34
ivoksgreat, then it works :)08:34
KennyTheGeekFor info go to, nothing of interest08:34
KennyTheGeekbefore it said "Sending on "LPF/eth0/a-long-mac-adress/24"08:35
KennyTheGeekand Listening on the same one08:35
KennyTheGeeknothing about that now08:35
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ivoksquit that (q)08:36
ivoksand do tail -f /var/log/syslog08:37
ivokson other linux computer, start dhclient eth0:1 or eth1:108:37
ivokswhatever you have08:37
KennyTheGeekit started twice, so 2 sets of copyright lines, "for info" lines, and one "Wrote 2 leases to file"08:38
KennyTheGeekdhclient?08:38
ivoksthat's what i said, yes08:38
KennyTheGeekdhclient eth0:1 << send dhcprequest?08:38
ivoksdid your server get dhcp request?08:39
KennyTheGeekthe problem is, im on the 1st floor, the router is in the basement08:39
KennyTheGeek*server08:39
KennyTheGeeknot router...08:39
KennyTheGeekill have to walk down again >_>08:39
ivoksyou are connected to your server, right?08:39
ivoksyou're connected with windows or linux or osx?08:40
KennyTheGeekwireless >> wifi router >> router >> server && internet08:40
KennyTheGeekLinux on my computers, windows on my sisters/parents08:40
ivoksok, wifi interface is eth1?08:40
ivoksrun iwconfig on your local computer, not server08:41
KennyTheGeek...08:42
ivokswhat?08:42
ivoksyou don't understand me?08:42
KennyTheGeeki do08:43
ivoksso, can you start dhcp request on your computer or some other computer?08:43
KennyTheGeekbut im not directly connected, and currently, the server is connected to a port on the router i want to replace08:43
KennyTheGeekin a moment08:43
KennyTheGeekill have to walk down, and cable connect08:44
ivokswhy?08:44
ivoksjust open your sister's computer and choose your wifi connection, with dynamic IP08:44
ivoksanyway...08:44
KennyTheGeekthat would get it from our WIFI router08:45
ivoksyour dhcp server on your server is working08:45
KennyTheGeeknot from the router i want to replace (non wifi)08:45
ivoksyour problem is that you have wifi router which blocks your's server dhcp08:45
KennyTheGeekill be able to check in a moment08:45
KennyTheGeekno08:45
KennyTheGeekits not my wifi router >_>08:46
ivoksyes it is, if it's also serving DHCP service08:46
KennyTheGeekMy laptop is connected to a wifi router, which is connected to my other (stupid router) which got internet. the server is also connected to this router08:46
ivoksyour router is just a switch for local network08:47
KennyTheGeekno08:47
ivoksyes, it is...08:47
ivoksit's gateway for internet08:47
KennyTheGeekmy WiFi ips are 10.60.61.100-199 and the subnet is 255.0.0.008:47
ivoksbut that's not important now... for local computers, it's just a switch08:47
ivoksufff08:48
ivoks255.0.0.0?!08:48
KennyTheGeekthe other routers subnet is 255.255.255.0, and th ips are 192.168.1.2-192.168.1.something i dont know08:48
KennyTheGeekyes08:48
KennyTheGeekwhats wrong?08:48
KennyTheGeekthe dhcp server didn't like that adress when i tried it either >_>08:48
ivoks255.0.0.0 could be too much for crapy wifi routers :)08:48
mralphabetthat's most of the internets!08:48
KennyTheGeekthe wifi router is fine!!!08:48
ivoks:)08:48
ivoksmralphabet: ?08:49
mralphabet255.0.0.0 = most of the interwebs08:49
KennyTheGeekthe router i got from my isp is the problem08:49
KennyTheGeekwow :S08:49
KennyTheGeeknow im in the basement08:50
ivoksok08:52
ivoksdisconnect server from router08:52
ivoksand connect it to your laptops' ethernet08:52
KennyTheGeeki just connected it directly to my laptop, and ran sudo dhclient eth008:52
KennyTheGeekDHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 508:52
KennyTheGeekDHCPOFFER from 192.168.1.1608:52
KennyTheGeekDHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 6708:52
KennyTheGeekDHCPACK from 192.168.1.1608:52
KennyTheGeekbound to 192.168.1.17 -- renewal in 19111 seconds.08:52
ivoksdon't do that08:52
ivoksas i said, it works08:52
KennyTheGeekokay then >_>08:53
KennyTheGeekwhat then?08:53
ivokswhat kind of connection you have from your ISP?08:53
KennyTheGeekim not sure, static IP or dhcp08:53
ivokspppoe or cable?08:53
KennyTheGeekDSL, cable08:53
ivoksdsl is pppoe :)08:54
KennyTheGeek>_>08:54
fabbioneivoks: not necessarely08:54
fabbioneivoks: i have pppoa adsl08:54
ivoksfabbione: right :)08:54
KennyTheGeekshawarma: tdc dsl... isnt that cable?08:55
ivoksKennyTheGeek: well, you should know what you've buyed from ISP, so we can continue this...08:55
KennyTheGeeki didnt buy it08:55
fabbioneKennyTheGeek: oh you are on TDC08:55
fabbioneyou have dynamic ip08:55
KennyTheGeekfabbione: dane?08:55
fabbioneKennyTheGeek: no, but i live in cph08:55
KennyTheGeeki thought so08:55
ivoksyay!08:55
KennyTheGeekfabbione: cool08:55
fabbioneKennyTheGeek: tdc gives you a router.. eth/adsl08:55
ivoksfabbione: would you be so kind... ?:)08:55
fabbioneyou *usually* have dynamic ip on the adsl port08:56
fabbioneand then on the internal ethernet a pool of 10.0.0.0/24 addresses assigned via dhcp08:56
KennyTheGeekfabbione: they gave me a stupid router, a adsl modem, and a phone connection filter08:56
fabbionewhat kind of adsl modem?08:57
KennyTheGeekthat can be true, i only know what happens after that stupid router08:57
KennyTheGeekSiemens Speedstream 410008:57
KennyTheGeek"Ethernet ADSL Modem"08:57
fabbioneso you have...08:57
KennyTheGeekyes, what do i have? :S08:58
fabbioneTDC cable -> filter -> modem -> router?08:58
fabbioneand after the router the pc i guess08:58
KennyTheGeekNormal phone line -> filter -> my phone and adsl modem -> router -> another router, my server, and 2 printers08:58
fabbioneok... right...08:58
fabbioneTDC cable = normal phone line08:59
KennyTheGeekyeah08:59
fabbionewe don't care about your phone :)08:59
fabbionewhy 2 routers?08:59
mralphabetethernet router --> ethernet + wireless router08:59
KennyTheGeekcause my dad purchased the wifi router. he asked in the shop for WiFi, and thats what he gave him08:59
mralphabet--> network08:59
fabbioneoh i see08:59
KennyTheGeek*they08:59
fabbionefeh that's annoying08:59
KennyTheGeekyeah09:00
fabbioneKennyTheGeek: i suggest you do one step back09:00
KennyTheGeekwhat?09:00
fabbioneremove the wireless router for now09:00
KennyTheGeekthen i would loose internet, not a good idea09:00
fabbioneKennyTheGeek: ok let me explain...09:00
KennyTheGeekmy laptop is currently connected through that09:00
fabbioneadsl modem -> router -> pc09:00
fabbioneget to this setup09:00
fabbioneyou will see that your pc will get ip from the router09:01
fabbionein the 10.0.0.0/24 network 09:01
fabbione(if they didn't change too much)09:01
fabbionethat will still work09:01
KennyTheGeekno, my stupid router delivers addresses above 192.168.1.209:01
fabbioneoh hold on a sec09:02
fabbioneyou are doing all of this because of the TDC router?09:02
ivokshe wants to replace it with his own server09:03
ivokscause they are blocking ports09:03
fabbioneivoks: yes i am reading the scrollback09:03
ivoksbut i still think ports are blocked somewhere else, not on the router... but it is possible that they are blocked on the router09:03
fabbioneKennyTheGeek: you know that if you call up TDC they can unlock it for you but you need to pay something and you lose sw configuration support?09:03
fabbioneivoks: they are blocked on the router09:03
fabbioneivoks: i know people working at his ISP :)09:04
ivokssounds to me that TDC is lame company :)09:04
fabbioneivoks: no, it's a just another money making machine... like any other big telco09:04
fabbionethey ask money to unlock the router and more money if you mess up09:05
ivoksbut... it would be easier to maintain it on one place...09:05
ivokswell, looking from that angle, sounds like an money-making-idea :)09:05
fabbioneanyway what KennyTheGeek wants to do strictly assume that the adsl modem will work without the TDC router09:05
mralphabetso you want it to be dsl modem --> (eth0)Ubuntu Box(eth1) --> wireless router --> rest of network09:06
mralphabetit is very possible that they have mac filtering09:06
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mralphabetyou may need to find the external mac address of the TDC router and spoof it on eth0 (or eth1, whichever is connected to the dsl modem)09:07
ivokswhy don't we compile freeradius with openssl support?09:09
ivoksah, never mind :)09:12
mralphabetwhat was the answer?09:12
KennyTheGeekbut i just wired me to the router, but wifi is priotized over ethernet09:13
KennyTheGeeki only got 20 minuttes of batt left09:13
KennyTheGeekwait... 1009:13
KennyTheGeekfabbione: are you there?09:13
KennyTheGeekhello?09:13
ivoksmralphabet: license09:13
KennyTheGeekill soon have to run upstairs to charge...09:13
KennyTheGeekbut when theyre done using the wifi (my sisters/parents) i can connect directly with the wifi routers cable...09:13
KennyTheGeeksoon is... not09:13
KennyTheGeek*now09:13
mralphabetivoks: ahhh09:13
KennyTheGeekback09:14
mralphabetKennyTheGeek: was I right?09:14
mralphabet14:05 < mralphabet> so you want it to be dsl modem --> (eth0)Ubuntu Box(eth1) --> wireless router --> rest of network09:14
KennyTheGeekyes, basicly09:14
KennyTheGeekthe wifi router should be connected to a switch which my printers in the basement also is connected to09:15
mralphabetaren't you the one with a router hanging off the ceiling from an ethernet cable and the server sitting on the floor?09:15
KennyTheGeekyeah09:16
KennyTheGeeknow i replaced it with a longer wire, and got another nic /w long wire09:16
mralphabetk, something about this whole situation sounded familiar09:16
KennyTheGeekhehe09:17
KennyTheGeekbut i don't think it uses spoofing, i replaced the router before (not ours, but another companys that wanted a new network... they had tdc, and same modem)09:17
KennyTheGeek*mac filtering09:18
KennyTheGeeknot spoofing09:18
mralphabetyeah, k09:18
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KennyTheGeeki also, for yet another company, used a LinkSys WiFi router as the router, so they don't use mac filtering :P09:21
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KennyTheGeekin a moment, ill be back09:28
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KennyTheGeekthats another reason i don't like that router >_>09:47
=== KennyTheGeek wants the command, makeitwork
KennyTheGeeksomeone still here?09:52
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=== dendrobates I'm here
KennyTheGeekdondrobates: i meant fabbione, mralphabet or ivok... they where the ones guiding me before...09:53
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KennyTheGeekthis stupid server Just Won't Work(tm)09:54
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