[12:29] <arkanabar> Would it seriously mess up Xfce if KDM was the default display manager?
[12:33] <tonyyarusso> no
[12:38] <swhalen> Hello, how do i get undate manager to notify automaticly like in ubuntu?
[12:38] <swhalen> update*
[12:46] <kalikiana> swhalen, I think so, but it requires a decent part of gnome.
[01:12] <arkanabar> None of my package managers are working in xubuntu, but they were fine in kubuntu.  What am I doing wrong?
[01:15] <arkanabar> They complain about lack of root privileges, and when I run them through sudo, gksu, or kdesu, they are not found.
[02:00] <testingxub> hello, im using xubuntu and i want to know if there is a good tool to switch "global" network preferences... like proxy, gateways, hosts, ips..
[02:02] <TheSheep> testingxub: system->network, except it doesn't do the proxy
[02:04] <testingxub> TheSheep: i didn't like it, im replacing it with wifi-radar right now, but im wondering if there is such a tool to do more things
[02:07] <TheSheep> testingxub: yes, text editor and the /etc directory
[02:07] <TheSheep> testingxub: you can also install any application form kde or gnome
[02:09] <testingxub> TheSheep: ok... but with a script i can modify a lot of system-wide things, but if a i want to modify i.e. firefox network settings, i need to add that
[02:10] <testingxub> TheSheep: and tomorrow i could install another app, that doesn't read global proxy settings, and i need to add that on the script and so on...
[02:11] <TheSheep> testingxub: any program that supports proxy reads the http_proxy environment variable, so you can just set that
[02:14] <testingxub> TheSheep: thanks, i will use wifi-radar and script
[02:43] <vidd> rather quiet tonight
[03:04] <vidd> how do you get to the trash?
[03:04] <vidd> i want to delete something there, but it wont let me
[03:06] <TheSheep> vidd: .local/share/Trash
[03:06] <vidd> ty
[03:20] <vidd> TheSheep, we need to get the xubuntu-desktop to depend on xubuntu-docs
[04:22] <Akuma_> my laptop's volume control (Fn + F3) doesn't work out of the box; do i have to activate it somehow?
[04:26] <vidd> Akuma_, you asked about the volume?
[04:27] <Jester45>  my laptop's volume control (Fn + F3) doesn't work out of the box; do i have to activate it somehow?
[04:27] <Akuma_> i did
[04:27] <Akuma_> thanks Jester45
[04:27] <vidd> Akuma_, did you get my instructions?
[04:27] <Jester45> Akuma_, did you set up shortcuts
[04:27] <Akuma_> i didnt
[04:27] <vidd> add the volume plug in into the taskbar
[04:28] <Akuma_> vidd:  i did. i think
[04:28] <vidd> >right-click>add new item>volume
[04:28] <Akuma_> vidd:  xfce4-mixer?
[04:29] <Jester45> he is having internet problems
[04:29] <Akuma_> hmm
[04:30] <Akuma_> Jester45:  where would i set up the shortcuts to?
[04:30] <vidd> verizon is REALLY agitating me today
[04:31] <vidd> >>right click>>add new item>>volume
[04:31] <Akuma_> vidd:  i did. xfce4-mixer
[04:31] <vidd> Akuma_, did you get that?
[04:31] <Jester45> menu -> settings -> keyboardsettings -> shortcuts
[04:31] <vidd> device = default ?
[04:31] <Akuma_> yeah. i had already added it; its the only way i can change the volume
[04:32] <vidd> with it installed...your volume contol items should work
[04:32] <Akuma_> Jester45:  i mean, where should the shortcut point to - what app
[04:32] <Jester45> humm
[04:32] <Jester45> i think its amixer
[04:33] <Akuma_> vidd: yet they don't, so i was wondering if under xfce i had to activate something else
[04:34] <vidd> your keyboard/laptop does not have special buttons to control volume?
[04:34] <Akuma_> vidd:  it does. Fn+F5/F6 .. they worked in ubuntu
[04:35] <vidd> then they should work in xubuntu...as long as the volume controler is open
[04:35] <Pumpernickel> It's fairly easy to rebind them, if they're not working.
[04:36] <Akuma_> Pumpernickel:  how can i do that
[04:36] <Pumpernickel> Setup a custom shortcut to run, e.g: `amixer -c 0 set PCM 2dB+`.
[04:40] <Akuma_> Pumpernickel:  it .. kinda works
[04:44] <Akuma_> most of the time it goes up and then comes back to its initial volume
[04:49] <Akuma_> thanks guys. i'll try and play with it a bit more
[05:01] <homebrewcider> hey there, trying to install pidgin, failed, said to check log, which I did, there was a line that said "configure: failed program was:
[05:01] <homebrewcider> | /* confdefs.h.  */"
[05:01] <homebrewcider> can anyone shine some light on this for me please?
[05:12] <homebrewcider> can anyoone help me please?
[05:13] <tonyyarusso> homebrewcider: sounds like a gaim bug more than a Xubuntu problem, but could be wrong.  Aren't there Ubuntu packages floating around yet so you don't have to compile?
[05:14] <BFTD> is there a CLI torrent client out there?
[05:16] <homebrewcider> didn't see any on site, was rpms
[05:16] <homebrewcider> there
[05:19] <homebrewcider> had option there for either windows   source   fedora core   CentOS/RHEL
[05:21] <t_> hi
[05:21] <Jester45> BFTD, rtorrent
[05:21] <t_> how do i change the list of sessions on the "sessions" menu in the login screen?
[05:22] <t_> i'd like to add mwm (open motif)
[05:22] <Jester45> a/s/d raise upload limit by 1/10/100 z/x/c lower by 1/10/100
[05:23] <Jester45> A/S/D raises download limited by 1/10/100 Z/X/C lower DL, backspace is to start a new torrent
[05:26] <BFTD> thanks Jester45
[05:50] <t_> found it .. add mwm.desktop with some options in /usr/share/xsessions/
[06:16] <Akuma_> can i mount smb/nfs shares in thunar?
[06:16] <Jester45> you can mount them to a folder then access the folder from in thunar
[06:17] <Jester45> but thunar cant do it by it's self yet
[06:17] <Akuma_> thanks. at least i'll stop looking
[06:17] <Akuma_> =)
[06:59] <A_b> I am curious as to loading xubuntu on  a p2 400 mhz with 128 ram, should go??
[06:59] <maxamillion> A_b: yes, i have run it on lesser hardware ... that should be fine (though a little more ram wouldn't hurt)
[06:59] <A_b> It is my childrens computer :) and I want to get out of win98
[07:00] <maxamillion> A_b: good idea :) ... yes, Xubuntu should run fine on that machine but i would recommend using the "alternate" installer
[07:00] <A_b> alternate? I will check web site
[07:01] <A_b> it is old - bought new in 98 and it is difficult to find memory :/
[07:02] <maxamillion> A_b: yeah, it will be fine ... you will just show a little performance hit when running heavier applications like firefox (though, the only thing that generally is slow is the initial load time of the application)
[07:04] <Chikubu> hey pplz, trying to remember a command, it listed my isa and pnp devices, was similar to dsmeg or dsmge cant remember
[07:05] <tonyyarusso> Chikubu: dmsg
[07:05] <A_b> maxamillion, thanks I will go to the web site and check out - i read a review that stated xubuntu would be great for older comps
[07:06] <maxamillion> A_b: well, yes ... i personally think Xubuntu is great for all computers, but it does seem to do wonders for older machines that would otherwise collect dust
[07:07] <A_b> I have converted a p3 thinkpad 256 to opensuse and my roomies comp with the same but want to explore the xubuntu and also my roomie has a comp coming that I plan to install kubuntu :)
[07:09] <maxamillion> A_b: xubuntu will run circles around both opensuse and kubuntu in performance, but ultimately it is going to be about what you prefer to use
[07:10] <A_b> i noticed on the web site it mentions an upgrade available to kde rather than xfce. Is that a big memory drain?
[07:11] <maxamillion> A_b: kde uses almost 3 times as much memory as Xubuntu does (if i remember correctly)
[07:11] <maxamillion> A_b: wait ... i think it might only be 2 times as much ... but still
[07:12] <A_b> i am itching to try out so i will download and burn this eve. thanks maxamillion :)
[07:12] <maxamillion> A_b: anytime :)
[07:13] <A_b> I found on the opensuse 10.2 with kde has a little more demand than gnome and xfce is relatively light
[07:14] <A_b> memory wise that is
[07:14] <maxamillion> A_b: yes, but i wouldn't call gnome "light" .... xfce yes, fluxbox yes, but not gnome ... its kinda "mediocre" so to speak
[07:17] <A_b> yes gnome as i tuned it was able to put a lesser demand on ram than kde however xfce was smooth with 256 ram
[07:18] <maxamillion> ah, yes ... you can configure gnome to be rather decent on resources
[07:20] <A_b> the old p2 has a 3.2 gig hd will that be a problem?
[07:21] <A_b> children just use comp to explore game cheats :P
[07:21] <maxamillion> A_b: not at all, just might want to uninstall unused applications once you get it installed
[07:22] <maxamillion> A_b: i am using 2.9gb of my 160gb hdd on this machine and i have alot of extra stuff installed
[07:22] <A_b> cool
[07:22] <maxamillion> :)
[07:23] <A_b> i will have to set a low swap file with grub or does xubuntu use grub?
[07:24] <maxamillion> A_b: yes, xubuntu uses grub and the swap file will be created during installation
[07:25] <maxamillion> A_b: if you chose to manually partition then you can set the size yourself
[07:25] <A_b> so grub will auto establish size dependent on size of hd as it did on the installs I did on these machines?
[07:25] <maxamillion> A_b: yes, but its not grub that does that
[07:27] <A_b> I meant it established sizes of partitions auto when I installed on these comps and I just agreed sort of thing :/
[07:27] <maxamillion> A_b: oh, yeah
[07:27] <maxamillion> A_b: Xubuntu will do the same
[07:30] <A_b> but because of small hd 3.2 gigs, the swap file size (I don't think I've ever used so far) will determine actual space available for use. so i guess the swap file will have to be in the mbs rather than gigs :)
[07:32] <maxamillion> A_b: well generally with an older machine like that, the automatic swap space will just be twice the size of the ram, so the auto installer should make the swap space 256mb
[07:33] <A_b> ok thanks - just needed a referance to relate to when the numbers come up thanks I am going to begin dl and burn :)
[07:33] <maxamillion> A_b: awesome! enjoy!
[07:36] <maxamillion> A_b: one thing i will warn about though (xfburn, the default xubuntu cd burner, has a bug that won't let it burn .iso images correctly) ... just something to keep in mind :)
[07:36] <A_b> merci mon ami or as I say in my language musi cho :)
[07:36] <maxamillion> A_b: yeah ... but if that machine is that old, i wouldn't imagine it would have a cd-rw drive anyways
[07:36] <A_b> ok will do the check with the thing in yast (reads media and checks burn or something)
[07:36] <A_b> no it doesn
[07:36] <A_b> t
[07:37] <A_b> also it might need a floppy boot
[07:37] <maxamillion> A_b: well if you burn with another program or from another computer, it will be fine ... for an older machine like that i recommend a command line tool like wodim
[07:38] <A_b> i tried a live cd with a first boot in bios and it seemed to just ignore and I always had to use a floppy to load win 98 from cd
[07:38] <maxamillion> A_b: ok, just a moment ... let me get you a tutorial on how to do that
[07:40] <A_b> sweet because I wanted to load linux on that machine years ago and wasn
[07:40] <A_b> t able to figure out a floppy boot
[07:40] <maxamillion> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[07:41] <maxamillion> A_b: that link will tell you how to get up and running
[07:42] <A_b> yes i believe so and thanks maxamillion i am gone for a while:)
[07:48] <maxamillion> A_b: okies
[07:48] <maxamillion> s/brb/bbl
[07:56] <benpicco> Hi, I always get "- connect (22 Invalid argument)" when trying to install something using agt-get
[07:57] <benpicco> could there be a problem with the proxy settings in /etc/enviroment?
[07:58] <crimsun> it's more likely a problem with the actual proxy configuration
[08:00] <benpicco> this I suspected...
[08:00] <benpicco> how to fix it?
[08:01] <benpicco> I changed http_proxy="192.168.1.250:3128" to http_proxy="http://192.168.1.250:3128/" now - how to make it use of this?
[08:01] <benpicco> can I just restart the network without restarting the computer?
[08:02] <mitrick> hello i got a question
[08:02] <mitrick> i got an old p2 366mhz with 64mb ram with 4.7gb hd with only pcmcia card that works with ndiswrapper
[08:02] <mitrick> would xubuntu works on it
[08:04] <benpicco> 64mb is quiet few..
[08:04] <benpicco> here it runs on a 600MHz Duron with 128MB and this not very fast
[08:07] <benpicco> maybe you should use fluxbox or something as window manager
[08:07] <mitrick> yea
[08:07] <mitrick> does it have ndiswrapper included?
[08:12] <maxamillion> mitrick: you might want to try using the server installation and then installing only what you need ontop of that (and yes, you can install ndiswrapper from the repositories)
[08:15] <logmein> hey everybody
[08:16] <mitrick> hi
[08:16] <maxamillion> hello
[08:16] <benpicco> do I have to reboot the entire computer for updatiing changes in the network configuration?
[08:16] <mitrick> no
[08:16] <benpicco> i thought something like that ;)
[08:17] <benpicco> mitrick: wo do I do it?
[08:17] <benpicco> *how
[08:17] <mitrick> u changed network settings where?
[08:18] <mitrick> for wireless? or eth0
[08:18] <benpicco> in /etc/enviroment (well i changed the proxy settings)
[08:18] <mitrick> it should work right away
[08:18] <benpicco> and something in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[08:18] <benpicco> hmm, it doesn't.
[08:18] <mitrick> sudo apt-get update ?
[08:19] <benpicco> still "- connect (22 Invalid argument)"
[08:19] <maxamillion> benpicco: there shouldn't be any apt.conf
[08:20] <maxamillion> benpicco: can you ping google?
[08:20] <benpicco> maxamillion: no
[08:21] <BFTD> ?
[08:21] <BFTD> ?
[08:21] <BFTD> ?
[08:21] <benpicco> well, I configured the proxy for gaim
[08:23] <logmein> ping googles IP
[08:23] <benpicco> what is googles ip?
[08:24] <logmein> ping it on whatever comp you are chatting on now to find out
[08:24] <logmein> then ping its ip on the test box
[08:24] <benpicco> i can ping all ips in the lan
[08:24] <logmein> oh its a local thing you having trouble with
[08:25] <benpicco> yes, all pcs in this lan connect to the Internet using a proxy server
[08:25] <AlexC> how do you upgrade a xubuntu install with the next alternative cd?
[08:25] <maxamillion> benpicco: google's ip is 209.85.135.103
[08:25] <benpicco> maxamillion: From 192.168.1.200 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[08:26] <maxamillion> AlexC: i have been told yes, but i don't advise it because it will only upgrade the packages included on the alternate cd, not the entire system (extra apps installed via the repos, etc.)
[08:26] <maxamillion> benpicco: yeah, you need to edit your proxy
[08:26] <benpicco> maxamillion: I did in /etc/enviroment
[08:26] <AlexC> how do i get it to upgrade them though?
[08:26] <AlexC> i have the cd in
[08:27] <AlexC> and i'm logged in on my old one
[08:27] <benpicco> maxamillion: i added http_proxy="http://192.168.1.250:3128/"
[08:27] <AlexC> Do i do it in synaptic?
[08:28] <maxamillion> benpicco: ping has nothing to do with http
[08:29] <maxamillion> benpicco: ping is icmp traffic, not http ... you might want to look into something else notworking wise, like a gateway configuration
[08:29] <benpicco> maxamillion: but its a http proxy, it only offeres this protocol
[08:30] <maxamillion> benpicco: right, but not all traffic is http ... if your proxy doesn't allow other traffic, then other traffic won't go anywhere (in theory)
[08:31] <benpicco> benpicco: but it does on the windows boxes here... so they do $protocoll over http?
[08:31] <AlexC> is it really nessesary to backup system?
[08:34] <maxamillion> AlexC: not in my experiences
[08:34] <benpicco> there seems to be something wrong with Acquire::http::Proxy "http://192.168.1.250:3128"; , too - it always tries to connect to 3128:80..
[08:35] <maxamillion> benpicco: well then check your gateway settings on the machine, in my experience a "destination not reachable" means that your computer can't get a direct route to the path ... which i would assume to be your gateway settings
[08:35] <benpicco> maxamillion: well.. there is no gateway
[08:36] <maxamillion> benpicco: yes, there is
[08:36] <grazie> AlexC: I have a slightly different view on backing up. If you can afford to lose the data don't then bother, if you CAN'T afford to lose the data....
[08:37] <maxamillion> benpicco: without a gateway a computer can not connect to the internet
[08:37] <maxamillion> grazie: well in my case i can always afford to lose it ... none of my data is "mission critical"
[08:37] <benpicco> maxamillion: even, if they use a proxy instead?
[08:37] <maxamillion> grazie: so i guess i am a little biased
[08:38] <maxamillion> brb, i need to check my pizza in the oven
[08:39] <benpicco> well, there IS a gateway, but me was told that this was just a configuration failture as all pcs connect to the internet using this proxy...
[08:40] <benpicco> but i already entered it in the networks settings
[08:43] <logmein> there's this program I use and it locks the mouse to the screen, would be really nice if I could use ctrl alt to break out of that, sort of how qemu has things setup. Perhaps there is a different method?
[08:43] <maxamillion> logmein: that would be specific to that program, not xfce/xubuntu :(
[08:47] <Chikubu> when you use apt-get, it goes to a server, looks for the file and either downloads or not...anyway to search that data to see what files are there using wildcards?
[08:48] <maxamillion> Chikubu: i don't follow ... "wildcard" means many different things in many different situations
[08:49] <Chikubu> like find *isapnptools*
[08:49] <Chikubu> but the find searching the data on the apt-get server
[08:49] <logmein> maxamillion: I was wondering if there were any in built linux options to cancel out an applications full control over mouse
[08:49] <maxamillion> Chikubu: try "apt-cache show <package name> | grep <wildcard>" ... see if that is what you are looking for
[08:50] <Chikubu> ok
[08:50] <Pumpernickel> `apt-cache search` has full regex support.
[08:50] <maxamillion> logmein: not that i know of ... doesn't meant there isn't though
[08:50] <maxamillion> Pumpernickel: oh ... interesting
[08:51] <logmein> regex is sweet
[08:52] <maxamillion> regex is extremely useful, but it annoys me because my memory is mush and i generally mess up a character or two ... which in regex means you get the entirely wrong thing
[08:52] <crimsun> ... which is why you should use re.compile() :)
[08:53] <crimsun> make the tool do the hard work
[08:53] <crimsun> import re, silly
[08:54] <maxamillion> crimsun: ah ... the language of the gods
[08:54] <maxamillion> :)
[08:54] <crimsun> :)
[08:54] <maxamillion> crimsun: import this
[08:54] <maxamillion> :)
[08:55] <crimsun> hah
[08:55] <maxamillion> crimsun: you ever seen that?
[08:56] <crimsun> maxamillion: yep, a while ago.  It was mentioned in here, I think.
[08:56] <maxamillion> crimsun: oh ... i probably was ranting about it, as soon as i found out i thought it was the coolest thing ... dunno why, i just thought it was extremely clever
[08:57] <maxamillion> s/office space/"Office Space"
[08:59] <crimsun> show 'em your Oh face.
[08:59] <maxamillion> :O
[10:00] <Akuma_> i'm a bit confused about the xfce gnome/kde compatibility - should i be carefull about something that has been "compiled with support for the GNOME2 GUI" ?
[10:01] <Akuma_> i'm under the impression that I can actually get any package from the repos and they should be handled fine, but i guess i'd just like to confirm first
[10:02] <Pumpernickel> Yeah, it'll work.
[10:03] <Akuma_> what wont? i've tried googling but i guess i didn't hit the right keywords ..
[10:03] <insmod> 
[10:03] <Pumpernickel> What do you mean, 'what won't'?  I said it would.
 that is correct it is when u mix versions and builds that borks it -- that is what a disrto does is package all things that they believe work well with each other
[10:05] <Akuma_> Pumpernickel:  seemed to me that "it" refered to the "compiled with support for gnome2" quote.
[10:05] <Pumpernickel> 'It' was more general.  If you install from the repository, everything should work.
[10:05] <Pumpernickel> If it doesn't, it's a bug.
[10:06] <Akuma_> insmod:  Pumpernickel: thanks
[10:06] <namelessjon> How can I get X11 to give me the options for higher resolutions? The max it wants to give me is 1024x768, which looks kinda bad on this monitor...
[10:06] <Akuma_> namelessjon:  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg worked wonders for me
edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add the new resolution
[10:07] <Akuma_> namelessjon:  just make sure to select *only* the resolution you want ..
[10:19] <namelessjon> That worked well. Thanks Akuma (and insmod)
[03:40] <TheSheep> kilonux: an obscure reference to a certain niche movie
[03:41] <kilonux> thanks , i thought it was adressed to me because of deja vu
[03:42] <TheSheep> kilonux: it was
[03:43] <kilonux> so i'm doing things that should not be done and I will have to leave you?
[03:44] <kalikiana> Did you guys read Mark Shuttleworth's blog post about patent deals? He said no and I'm glad he did. Now I might forgive him one or the other questionable tendency. :)
[03:44] <TheSheep> kilonux: no
[03:44] <TheSheep> kalikiana: oh, long time no see
[03:45] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Yeah, hi. :)
[03:45] <TheSheep> kalikiana: --> #xubuntu-offtopic, I need to talk :)
[03:52] <thrashy> I have two hard drives, both show up in bios but when in xubuntu it seems only 1 hard drive shows on the desktop, how can I detect/find the other?
[03:53] <kalikiana> thrashy, Change your /etc/fstab.
[03:53] <TheSheep> !mount | thrashy
[03:53] <ubotu> thrashy: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[03:53] <TheSheep> grr
[03:53] <TheSheep> !fstab | thrashy
[03:53] <ubotu> thrashy: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[03:55] <thrashy> ok thanks
[04:02] <Pumpernickel> TheSheep: Niche movie?  Niche?!  I feel degraded.
[04:05] <Pumpernickel> Me too.
[04:26] <thrashy> Im running my xubuntu box headless. When it does have monitor connected It runs at 1280*1024 max resolution but headless I cant get it to output any higher than 640*480 and the highest res option is 800x600 which if changed to seems to make no difference to the size of vnc window its displayed in, anyone know whats up?
[04:27] <TheSheep> thrashy: can't you set the screen size in th vnc options?
[04:30] <thrashy> only vnc options are "view half size" "full screen" etc, but xubuntu is actualy outputting 640*480 anyway so even if there was an option to make it bigger in vnc it'd come out all upscaled and pixelated
[04:35] <Pumpernickel> It would be a server option, not a client option, which is set in at least some implementations using the -geometry parameter.
[05:25] <wormface> thrashy: you boot the machine without the monitor connected?
[06:23] <etank> does the xubuntu alternate cd have an option on it for OEM installs?
[06:27] <cellofellow> etank: yse
[06:27] <cellofellow> yes
[06:27] <leobloom> hallo! how can I add the dreamlinux theme on xubuntu?
[06:29] <cellofellow> XFCE doesn't have set, all-encompassing "themes". You'll have to piece it together with panel arrangements, GTK theme, Icon theme, XFWM4 theme, and wallpaper.
[06:30] <cellofellow> leobloom: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[06:32] <leobloom> cellofellow that means?=o)
[06:33] <kalikiana> leobloom, He's gone. He means that there is no "Dreamlinux theme". You will need to find out what particular themes were used and fetch them from the net.
[06:34] <leobloom> kalikana in fact I havent found any package lie that, I need to rip it and try to install it on other xfce distros I have
[06:36] <kalikiana> leobloom, That's because currently there is no way to package icons, gtk-style, wm theme, etc. in one place. You will need to look for specific packages for icons, styles, etc..
[06:38] <leobloom> uhm would it be possible to simply "steal2 them from my distro dreamlinux?
[06:39] <TheSheep> leobloom: yes, look into /usr/share/themes and /usr/share/icons
[06:39] <kalikiana> leobloom, If you have an installed dreamlinux, yes. ^^
[06:39] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Don't get in my way, you linux wise guy :P
[06:40] <leobloom> I do have dreamlinux installed but I'm tried to look for other distros using xfce, to see if there are lighter ones :D
[06:40] <TheSheep> leobloom: xubuntu has small chance of being lighter :)
[06:41] <do1> try zenwalk, that should be a lighter xfce distro :)
[06:41] <TheSheep> do1: zenwalk does have a fell of being... unpolished
[06:42] <leobloom> thesheep: well I was thinking bout downloading feisty xubuntu and follow the wiki for the low resource systems :D
[06:43] <leobloom> in fact I'm trying dreamlinux, zenwalkcore and samlinux at the moment, I thougt bout xubuntu coz I have ubuntu on my workstaiton :D (and I adore the apt-get system :D)
[06:43] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Zenwalk is as unpolished as Xubuntu imho. It even has some fancy features Xbunutu urgently lacks. It's just not targeting 'average' users.
[06:44] <TheSheep> leobloom: at the moment I'm using a highly customized install of archy -- it takes about 200MB of hdd and 60MB of ram, runs xfce, opera, rdesktop and psi :)
[06:44] <do1> i think zenwalk is making big steps into the wright direction... it becomes more and more user friendly
[06:45] <leobloom> I dunno what rdesktop and psi are :D and I'm an average user with little knowledge and a lot of will to learn lol but  many have told me not to start with slack and arch yet =o/
[06:45] <TheSheep> leobloom: well, customizing power comes at a cost
[06:45] <kalikiana> do1, "Into the wright direction"? You mean Sim City will be shipped on cd? ;)
[06:46] <TheSheep> do1: I tried it half a year ago, and it didn't even have fonts properly configured :/
[06:46] <do1> lol sim city?
[06:46] <leobloom> thesheep that's why I thought bout xubuntu :D I'm not scared of touching and editing stuff in a system I already know a bit and with guides that are very complete
[06:46] <do1> try the new version
[06:47] <leobloom> I also thoughtbout  vectorlinux, the guys in the channel seemed very friendly and competent
[06:48] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Zen has proper fonts. It has video thumbnails, safe hotplugging and samba support, to name a few.
[06:48] <kalikiana> TheSheep, So maybe the two distros should copy from each other, speaking of features. ;)
[06:48] <do1> the only problem with zenwalk is the repository
[06:48] <leobloom> and xubunt doesnt have this stuff?
[06:49] <leobloom> why is it a problem?
[06:49] <kalikiana> leobloom, Sadly, no.
[06:49] <TheSheep> kalikiana: samba support?
[06:49] <kalikiana> leobloom, Someone has to set it up. ;)
[06:49] <do1> its small :)
[06:49] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Yes. You can right-click anywhere and say 'Samba browsing' and fuse will do the rest.
[06:50] <TheSheep> kalikiana: why aren't we "borrowing' it yet? :)
[06:50] <leobloom> well samba simply lets you brwose the hd wehere xp is installed, no? I can do without it :D
[06:51] <TheSheep> leobloom: but a lot of peole come here and ask "where is the network in xubuntu?"
[06:51] <kalikiana> leobloom, Sure, but many need it. ;)
[06:51] <TheSheep> tbh, they also ask "where is the blue e", but they can get convinced to click the globe instead
[06:51] <kalikiana> Actually a mount \\some\share /mnt/share isn't even so hard - but I'm lazy. ;)
[06:52] <leobloom> uhm  I believe it :D but I dont =opo I just want a stripped down system that looks nice and has one app for anything, like vlc for media and openoffice for office stuff plus znes for the games, not a lot as you see :D
[06:52] <TheSheep> kalikiana: you can write a thunar plugin...
[06:52] <TheSheep> leobloom: just install perl -- that's one app for everything ;)
[06:52] <kalikiana> TheSheep, No, I can't. Thunar's interface is pre-alpha. And virtual folders aren't even theoretically done.
[06:53] <leobloom> perl? what's perl?
[06:53] <TheSheep> !perl | leobloom
[06:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about perl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:53] <TheSheep> leobloom: programing language
[06:53] <do1> is sam-linux actually worth trying?
[06:54] <leobloom> ah that perl lol :D
[06:54] <TheSheep> arg, why is gqview used by so many dsitros? it's soooo broken :(
[06:54] <leobloom> but I can't program not even my videorecorder :p
[06:55] <leobloom> do1 I have samlinux but havent had the time to test it tom y needs,I've read it has 3d fx working out of the box but since I have no 3d card I cant test that
[06:55] <do1> and its based on pclinuxos, wright?
[06:56] <leobloom> yep
[06:56] <leobloom> wichi is basedo n mandriva
[06:57] <leobloom> but pclinuxos is not very nice... no real idea behind it, it seems to be a flavour... but it really work perfect for newbies who don't want to get their hands dirty with linux...
[06:57] <TheSheep> it seems to me that most distros are recently for non-linux users :/
[06:58] <leobloom> it's the only way to attract people from other os.... win is full of troubles but almost ebd can use it, mac os x is dumbproof (but I have problems myself in making thinks work in "a different way", Ica't explore it)
[07:00] <TheSheep> leobloom: "almost ebd can use it"?
[07:00] <leobloom> everybody
[07:00] <leobloom> sorry, I always  shorten these words :D
[07:00] <TheSheep> I found it much easier to teach my parents to use xfce than windows
[07:01] <leobloom> thesheep I believe it but many just know how to use windows, (even though they think they can use a computer... they simply know an OS)
[07:02] <TheSheep> leobloom: not even that -- customize it a little and they are lost :)
[07:04] <leobloom> eheh :D I installed vista inspiratpack on a friend's notebook and it took her a week to get that I haden't installed her the whole vista os but only a theme :D
[07:04] <TheSheep> "what you see is what you get"
[07:05] <TheSheep> I actually don't like customizable things
[07:06] <TheSheep> especially when they can be customized to be unusable
[07:06] <leobloom> for ex?
[07:06] <TheSheep> if there is no customization, no user preferences, then the developers are forced to make good decissions
[07:07] <TheSheep> leobloom: the trivial example is white text on white background
[07:07] <TheSheep> leobloom: but when customizing Windows, it's actually hard to get settings that are usable
[07:07] <leobloom> uhm but I?m just an idiot user so I never think "it must be hard to put some custamization options here", I say "wtf  my firend can do that on his wondows and I cant! I want it itoo!"
[07:08] <leobloom> well o far i havent found so muc to be customized, themes, screensavers, icons, sounds and some menus plus a bit of the dektop bars, what else?
[07:08] <TheSheep> leobloom: it's hard to not add user preferences -- you have to take responsibility and make a decission, it's much harder than just say "ok, so we will just add it as an option"
[07:09] <TheSheep> leobloom: even changing the resolution breaks things on Windows
[07:09] <leobloom> well I'm sure 70% of win users are not able to change screen resolution :D
[07:10] <TheSheep> leobloom: or they tried once and said "no, I can't see the icons" and changed it back
[07:10] <leobloom> sometimes the big problem comes with windows power users, someone who can already do a lot or many things on win and tries t odo the same on linux without trying to get that it works differently
[07:11] <TheSheep> leobloom: kde works fine for them
[07:14] <leobloom> well not many can use kde lol :D i have an old pc (pIII 700mhz 256 mb ram) and I have to share it with my brother, I m trying to optimize it to run smooth even though we have many things on (2 hd, 4 partitions, thousands of files) but it's always hard to let him get things right even on windows... when he's alone he doesnt even open linux!
[07:16] <Jester45> just remove windows so he has to use linux :0
[07:17] <leobloom> I cant =o/ he broke the ehternet card, it doesnt work anymore and I haven't found a waytoi make my modem work well via usb on linux
[07:18] <leobloom> till last december I had done that coz i had no copy of widnows at handy so he had to use linux all day fr a month and it was fine, he even learnt how to install/unistall stuff from shell and how to use k3b himself :D
[07:19] <tonyyarusso> leobloom: What about a modem?
[07:19] <leobloom> I have a modem, the dsl provider gave me one, it a usb/ehternet one
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> Aah, eww.
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> Nothing on the wiki or forums?
[07:20] <leobloom> in ubuntu chan they told me to check via shell with the command lusb or sth like that but problem is that this modem simply doesnt work under linux
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> Would it work if you got a new ethernet card?
[07:21] <leobloom> nothing on the wiki  nope =o/ at least, nothing that sems to be perfect, they all sound like too specific things, I need t know which driver it has so I'll look for a wiki to install that driver
[07:21] <leobloom> it would work 100% perfect with another ethernet card =O)
[07:25] <leobloom> problem is that i dont want to waste any other money on this pc, I've alread yspent too much :D
[07:34] <hyper__ch> hiho
[07:35] <leobloom> let's go
[07:36] <Merchelo> is it not, hey ho, lets go
[07:36] <Merchelo> but thats neither here nor there, is there a GUI type disk partitioner in xu ?
[07:36] <leobloom> I know :D
[07:36] <hyper__ch> Merchelo: gparted
[07:37] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: online?
[07:41] <Merchelo> hmm, ok, how do i create a new partition from the free space i have in hda1 which is my main boot partition :/
[07:42] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: from the desktop cd ;)
[07:43] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: or gparted cd
[07:43] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: or maybe from DSL from your usb stick
[07:43] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: or from dual-booting into windows
[07:43] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: or .... ;)
[07:44] <Merchelo> heh, i think i'll go with the gparted live cd
[07:44] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: you have that one?
[07:44] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: from the alternate cd you can also issue shell commands...
[07:45] <Merchelo> well d/l'ing the iso, and gonna burn me a copy, just need to create a partition for windows xp pro
[07:45] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: why that?
[07:46] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: vmware / vbox don't require a real windows partition ;)
[07:46] <leobloom> :D
[07:46] <leobloom> but a dual boot is safer for a newbie ;)
[07:46] <Merchelo> yeah, but i need to install it, so i can work out of hours, and earn the $$$$$
[07:46] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: what can't you do in Xubuntu?
[07:47] <Merchelo> run lotus notes, tivoli work center, citrix manager
[07:47] <Merchelo> just a whole lot easier this way
[07:48] <hyper_ch> notes runs fine from vmware
[07:48] <hyper_ch> even runs even through wine
[07:48] <hyper_ch> tivoli... no clue what that is...
[07:48] <Merchelo> ticket management system we use in IBM
[07:48] <hyper_ch> and citrix manager... didn't get it to work in vmware because I have a wifi and use nat and not bridge networking... I guess that was the issue there
[07:49] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: you're an ibm guy?
[07:49] <Merchelo> yeah, 2nd level support for probably the best company in the world
[07:49] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: you get good discounts on ibm notebooks?
[07:49] <leobloom> isnt it called lenovo now?
[07:50] <hyper_ch> leobloom: I don't care what it's called as long as he can get mee good discounts ;)
[07:50] <leobloom> :p
[07:51] <Merchelo> heh, lenovo just make the pc's in china, and sell them
[07:51] <hyper_ch> an average notebook nowadays costs $100.- (OLPC) so I guess I can get a IBM high-end notebook for $250?
[07:51] <leobloom> yep but i htoiught the whole IBM company was called lenovo
[07:52] <leobloom> 250 what? dollars? a notebooks?! where are you living?=o)
[07:52] <grazie> hyper_ch: hi...where are you seeing these prices?
[07:52] <hyper_ch> leobloom: you konw OLPC?
[07:52] <Jester45>  $100? they are more like 300-500 here
[07:52] <leobloom> hyper_ch nope unfortunately noty
[07:52] <hyper_ch> hiho Jester45
[07:52] <Jester45> hi
[07:53] <hyper_ch> leobloom: it's an initiative: One Laptop Per Child... they are priced at $100.-, have linux on them and are built pretty solid... oh well, so much for that little joke :(
[07:54] <Jester45> i would say highend laptops are ~1000
[07:54] <Jester45> or more
[07:54] <leobloom> uhm ok but I?m not a child :D cant I buy them too:D?
[07:54] <hyper_ch> Jester45: well, highend notebooks here are more pricey :(
[07:55] <Merchelo> i don't know how much they are, all i know they come in 3's into the office :/
[07:55] <hyper_ch> leobloom: http://laptop.org/
[07:55] <hyper_ch> leobloom: in each of us is a little kid ;)
[07:55] <Merchelo> also, xfburn doesn't want to burn my iso
[07:55] <hyper_ch> Jester45: why?
[07:55] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: I use k3b
[07:55] <grazie> hyper_ch: ah yes...the one laptop per child initiative...great idea...I heard the cost was already escalating $150+ though
[07:55] <leobloom> I just want one with 512 ram or so, a decent 3d card, dvd reader/burner and ehternet port and linux compatible, need nothing more lol :D
[07:55] <Jester45> i just dont like theme
[07:55] <Jester45> them*
[07:56] <hyper_ch> hiho grazie - where did you hear that?
[07:56] <grazie> can't remember to be honest
[07:56] <hyper_ch> if they could sell them just for $100.- that would be quite a boost for linux :)
[07:57] <leobloom> uhm maybe better buying a secondhand laptop, doe any of you know a reliable online seller?
[07:57] <Jester45> i think i would rather buy http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3094330&sku=A458-1172%20A for $104
[07:58] <Merchelo> man, thats looks good, but i wish i lived in the states
[07:58] <grazie> if they $150 I'd still be interested, but there not targeting them for 'rich' westerners
[07:58] <grazie> they're*
[07:58] <Jester45> and add a few parts and it would a nice. i think my dislike of laptop is because they are not as powerfull, overheat easier, have smaller screens, hardher to upgrade
[08:00] <Jester45> im looking at buying that barebones kit with this  http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3120587&sku=O261-8080 as ram
[08:00] <hyper_ch> Jester45: but they are so much more confortable playing freeciv in front of the tv ;)
[08:00] <Jester45> no... way less comfortable at least for me
[08:00] <leobloom> I want a laptop =o/ I've browen my laptop's keyboard, how can I fix it?
[08:01] <Jester45> use an external one... or replace the one in the laptop
[08:01] <hyper_ch> leobloom: get a new laptop ;)
[08:01] <Jester45> use that machine as a nice little media center on my  tv
[08:01] <leobloom> where can I buy one to replace it?
[08:02] <hyper_ch> so, I'm off to get some food and then I'll have some work to do
[08:02] <leobloom> I am trying to upgrade the laptop myself with some stuff I've ofund here and htere but it's the first time I?m touching the hw...
[08:02] <leobloom> so bon appetit =o)
[08:02] <Merchelo> wow, k3b is nice
[08:02] <hyper_ch> leobloom: merci beaucoup
[08:02] <leobloom> =o)
[08:02] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: it is
[08:03] <leobloom> I've discovered today k3b is thought for kde but on my ubuntu always worked perfectly
[08:03] <hyper_ch> leobloom: why "bon" and not "buon appetito"...
[08:03] <Jester45> ubuntu can use any package in the repo
[08:04] <Jester45> hyper_ch, because he doesnt know how to speed it?
[08:04] <hyper_ch> but for the use of kde appz it just needs to load additional libraries... libraries that are loaded in kde by default....
[08:04] <leobloom> bon appetit is French, buon appetito is Italian ;)
[08:04] <Jester45> yep, thats why running kde stuff on xubuntu is looked down becuase it slows xfce down
[08:04] <Jester45> ooo
[08:04] <hyper_ch> leobloom: I konw... but you are logged in from an italian provider hence I assume tu parli italiano
[08:04] <leobloom> in fact I am =o)
[08:05] <leobloom> (Italian)
[08:05] <leobloom> but shh don't tell anybody ;)
[08:05] <hyper_ch> penso que vado in  trattoria
[08:05] <hyper_ch> bye
[08:06] <leobloom> it looks more like Interlingua than Italian but it's perfectly understandable :D
[08:06] <leobloom> ciao!
[08:06] <leobloom> Jester can you speak Irish gaelic?
[08:06] <hyper_ch> my mix of Latin, french, italian and spanish ;)
[08:06] <leobloom> :D
[08:07] <hyper_ch> I love how gaelic sounds :)
[08:07] <leobloom> Jester: too bad, I?m trying to learn some Irish, what an amazing language!
[08:07] <hyper_ch> ciao a tutti
[08:07] <leobloom> ciao hyper!
[08:08] <Jester45> hum... can i set up 2 diffrent audio cards... and have only mpd play on one and all other sounds on the other?
[08:10] <leobloom> no idea jester sorry
[08:10] <Merchelo> http://nlog.org/view.php?user=wroclaw&id=396795
[08:10] <Merchelo> crazy poles
[08:22] <leobloom> that video is great :D
[08:23] <leobloom> but they should have used the legendary music of the game :D
[08:42] <boran> During install, I get VGA resolution and can't see everything in the dialog boxes. Can I force a higher resolution during install?
[08:44] <TheSheep> Merchelo: crazy Germans http://www.blinkenlights.de/
[08:49] <hyper_ch> "In a world without walls and fences , who needs Windows and Gates."
[08:49] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: and Ballmer
[08:50] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: he doesn't fit in there.. maybe he needs a name change
[08:50] <leobloom> what happened of the attacking to pensourc emade by Ballmer?
[08:50] <leobloom> any news?
[08:50] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: Nosferatu was taken already
[08:52] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: :)
[08:53] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: a lot of fuss about copyright in Poland recently
[08:53] <TheSheep> bah
[09:39] <alnokta> any idea?
[09:41] <fiXXXerMet> I have a Belkin Pre-N notebook card.  Do these work with xubuntu?
[09:41] <R[a] ndom> did you google for it?
[09:41] <R[a] ndom> (no)
[09:41] <R[a] ndom> well this was the 3rd hit
[09:41] <R[a] ndom> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=402954
[09:42] <fiXXXerMet> thank you.
[09:42] <R[a] ndom> np :P
[10:00] <kilonux> hello , I've got a problem, with internet connection by  ethernet cable. It worked automatically after the xubuntu install, but some days ago -- nothing,
[10:01] <kilonux> But it works by booting winXP
[10:30] <zephid> Is it a bug in xUbuntu, that it uses /etc/enviroment to set LANG instead of /etc/default/locale ?
[10:31] <maxamillion> zephid: no clue ... but i think that would be more of a ubuntu issue then a Xubuntu bug as xubuntu uses ubuntu-base as a starting point for development
[10:31] <zephid> maxamillion: I am afaried not, I am using Kubuntu and Ubuntu also, and they don't use it
[10:33] <maxamillion> zephid: really? .... interesting
[10:33] <maxamillion> zephid: i will look into that
[10:33] <zephid> I used two days to figure out why I could
[10:33] <zephid> I used two days to figure out why I could't change LANG to ISO-8859-1 instead of UTF-8
[10:34] <zephid> Then it crossed my mind to check the old debian way, /etc/enviroment
[10:42] <fiXXXerMet> OK, I have the card installed.
[10:42] <fiXXXerMet> Now is there a better frontend for my card then the one that is provided?
[10:43] <fiXXXerMet> Something that can scan and that I can enter a passphrase with?
[10:46] <Jester45> is it just me or are a lot of packages having segmentation faults in fiesty?
[10:47] <predaeus> Jester45, what applications are misbehaving?
[10:48] <Jester45> off hand i can remember xoids and k3d, and just now ripperx
[10:51] <predaeus> hm I don't know about those sorry. Probably file a bug. Or try pinpointing the reason first
[10:52] <Jester45> xoids did it when you finished a level
[10:52] <Jester45> k3d did it only a few times and it wasnt the same thing
[10:53] <Jester45> once i was enlarging a circle a nother i was appling a texture
[10:53] <feliciano> Hi guys... whats mean "segmentation fault"????
[10:54] <predaeus> g
[10:54] <feliciano> I'm trying to run Drivel... and I got this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26161/
[10:54] <predaeus> feliciano, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmentation_fault
[11:14] <Jester45> anyone know of a good non gnome/kde cd ripper that encodes to mp3 and is a gui
[11:14] <Jester45> and is not ripperx, ripperx sefaults on me
[11:14] <Jester45> segfaults*
[11:15] <predaeus> Jester45, you could probably playback the cd with xmms and output with the disk writer ogg or wav plugin.
[11:16] <Jester45> i need mp3 or wma, but prefer mp3 ove wma
[11:16] <Jester45> and it has to be a pretty simple gui (for my dad)
[11:18] <Jester45> well doesnt have to be simple but it would be nice not to have to show him every time he wants to use it
[11:21] <Jester45> gonna try grip
[11:21] <maxamillion> grip?
[11:23] <grazie> !grip
[11:23] <ubotu> grip is a ripping player and has a minor bug which can be solved by doing this "sudo ln -s /dev/hdX /dev/cdromN" where X is your hard drive and N a number
[11:23] <Jester45> humm
[11:23] <Jester45> it doesnt do mp3 or wma
[11:23] <BFTD> Jester45 yes it does
[11:23] <BFTD> you need to add something
[11:24] <BFTD> not sure what though
[11:24] <Jester45> like...
[11:24] <BFTD> lame
[11:24] <Jester45> it has something where you can tell it the program and the line to send it
[11:24] <BFTD> Jester45 yeah
[11:25] <Jester45> yea... how would you do it
[11:25] <Jester45> the help says lame infile outfile
[11:25] <Jester45> but i dont think there is a in "file"
[11:26] <Jester45> o nevermind
[11:28] <Jester45> it was in the encode tab under config
[11:28] <Jester45> stupid me only whent  to the rip tab
[12:10] <Amon-san> hi i'm running the memtest part of the xubuntu-boot-disk. how long should the tests run to produce significant results?
[12:10] <Jester45> how can i edit manualy the menu? not with menu editor becuase that doesnt show all the entries
[12:10] <Jester45> Amon-san, depends on the CPU you have and how much RAM
[12:11] <Amon-san> 96MB ram celeron 533
[12:12] <Jester45> that shouldnt take that long, but it still takes a while
[12:12] <Amon-san> for the fist pass it took about 16 minutes
[12:13] <Amon-san> but does that suficiently test the system or how many passes should i run?
[12:13] <Jester45> i do 4 passes
[12:13] <Jester45> each pass takes longer but test better
[12:14] <Amon-san> okay
[12:25] <T`> anyone here using xinerama?