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john_shello all-- any SAMBA gurus's on this list perchance12:36
john_s?12:36
sbalneavI know one or two things about samba12:38
sbalneavwhat do you need?12:38
john_sI need to use ldap to store my samba/winbind backend12:38
john_sand I don't know how to migrate my accounts12:38
sbalneavAh, what you'r looking for is moquists and trasks tool12:42
john_sPerhaps.12:42
john_sI've looked at it12:42
john_sbut i don't think its a migration tool12:42
john_sI think its a "set up a bdc/pdc" type of thing12:42
john_sDoes it do migration?12:42
sbalneavI thought so.12:43
john_shm12:43
john_sOk, I have an email into david.12:43
sbalneavMigrating from /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow?12:43
john_sWell no, this would be like winbindsecrets.tdb and sam.tdb12:43
john_sI believe12:43
sbalneavah, so migrating from windows.12:44
sbalneavI'd be lost there.12:44
john_swell, yes and no12:44
john_sWhen you use winbind to use Active Directory for authentication you get these little databases12:44
john_slike /var/cache/samba/winbindd_cache.tdb12:45
john_sand that is good. Now if you want to scale it to more than one server you need to make it a centralized resource12:45
john_sSamba docs say to use LDAP generally12:45
sbalneavWell, I'd expect there'd be some tool to extract info from the .tdb12:46
john_sYeah, me to. That's sort of my question.12:46
john_s:-)12:46
sbalneavhmm12:46
sbalneavIf anyone, Trask would know.12:47
sbalneavI'm sure he'll steer you right.12:47
john_sOk, good. Well hopefully he'll shoot me an email.12:47
sbalneavHe will, he's a great guy.12:47
john_sI appreciate your responses12:47
sbalneavLook for him here and on #ltsp12:47
john_shurray!12:47
sbalneavhe sometimes idles.12:47
john_swill do.12:47
john_sThanks again. bye12:48
sbalneavbye12:48
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etankis there an edubuntu-lite?02:13
Burgundaviathere is a plan to create an xfce desktop, but nothing has come yet02:14
etankcool02:14
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sbalneavetank: You could create your own.02:14
sbalneavStart with xubuntu02:14
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etanki have 60 machines that i want to install edubuntu on and then donate to needy children02:14
sbalneavthen just add the edu apps02:15
etankmy plan right now is to use an alternate cd to do an oem install and then create a ghost image to push to the other machines02:15
etankbut the machines are a little old02:15
etank500 MHZ, 512 MB Ram, 20 GB HDD02:16
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Burgundaviaetank: 500mhz is plenty powerful enough for a thin client02:22
etankbut these are going to be give to individual families02:22
etankthin client wont work02:22
etankand i will have no way of knowing if the new owner will have access to the internet so i have to get all of the apps installed on there before giving them away02:23
Burgundaviaahh02:24
BurgundaviaI used to use GNOME on 500 mhz02:24
sbalneavI used to use a ZX-81 at 1 mhz. :)02:25
sbalneavAnd before that, a real VT100 terminal.02:26
sbalneavFrom DEC :)02:26
Burgundaviaright02:27
BurgundaviaI feel young02:27
sbalneavI'02:27
sbalneavI'm 39 today!02:27
sbalneav:)02:27
etankhappy birthday :)02:27
Burgundaviamy first computer was a 100 mhz and the first computer I used was a 8086 of my fathers02:28
sbalneavNothing like sitting on your birthday coding the next release :)02:28
sbalneavWife's not feeling well, so I had to cook my own birthday dinner LOL02:28
sbalneavGot just what I wanted: Big juicy steak, baguette with oven roasted garlic butter, and corn on the cob.02:29
sbalneavYum!02:29
Burgundaviacongrats02:31
sbalneavIf I fix this bug, I will officially celebrate by going to the beer vendor, and grabbing some cold ones :)02:34
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jsgotangcosbalneav: hi grandpa02:43
sbalneavHey sonny02:44
jsgotangcoheh02:44
jsgotangcoBurgundavia: i used to gnome on a P166 and it was butt-ugly02:44
sbalneavSpeak louder, my ear-trumpet's blocked :)02:44
Burgundaviajsgotangco: yep02:44
jsgotangcoMandrake Linux was probably light-years ahead of the pack in terms of pretty distro packaging02:45
Burgundaviawow, RH8 was not02:46
jsgotangcobreakfast brb02:52
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sbalneavOoooohh03:30
sbalneavlooking goood03:30
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LaserJocksbalneav: happy birthday03:58
sbalneav\o/ works03:58
sbalneavThanks, LaserJock03:59
LaserJockBurgundavia: the Classroom Server Addon CD has XFCE403:59
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trishaanyone here knows how to activate fvwm95 x -window?04:03
jsgotangcohey LaserJock04:04
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LaserJockhi jsgotangco!04:04
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john_For candidate modem in PCI bus:  03:09.004:15
john_   Class 0780: 14f1:2702 Communication controller: Conexant Unknown device 270204:15
john_      Primary PCI_id  14f1:270204:15
john_ Support type needed or chipset:hsfmodem04:15
john_sorry - first time using this04:15
john_but i do need help getting this internal modem to work - is 56k dial up04:16
moquistsbalneav: will there be a config option to set the ldm greeter in your implementation? I've been talking with gadi, and we think it would be a good idea.04:16
sbalneavWell, lets see.04:16
sbalneavI'm setting display options04:16
sbalneavsound options04:16
sbalneavlocaldev options04:17
sbalneav...04:17
sbalneavNope, sorry, run out of room in the code.04:17
sbalneavThe only greeter will be in black and white.04:17
sbalneav:)04:17
sbalneavOn my list :)04:17
sbalneavogra wanted a QT greeter for K environs, GTK for gnome, and a "low resource" one if we have time.04:18
sbalneavSo, yeah, customizable greeter program's a go.04:18
sbalneavJust haven't done it yet.  Spent the last two or 3 days hunting down a nasty bug with pty's04:19
sbalneavjohn_: That a winmodem?04:19
trishaanyone here knows how to activate fvwm95 x -window?04:20
sbalneavSure, just set yourself up a .xsession file.04:20
sbalneavin your home dir.04:20
sbalneavHave you installed fvwm95 yet>04:22
sbalneav?04:22
trishasbalneav: yah04:22
trishasbalneav: but im still using ubuntu 7.04 as my distro04:23
sbalneavA quick bit of googling turned this up04:23
sbalneavhttp://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~fvwm/manual/fvwm95.xsession04:23
sbalneavsave what in your home dir as .xsession04:23
sbalneavmode 75504:23
sbalneavHmm04:24
sbalneavit ma04:24
trishasbalneav: i dont get it04:24
sbalneavit may actually provide a session.04:24
sbalneavhold on, lemme look04:24
trishasbalneav: you mean i have to copy paste the page and save it at home dir.04:25
sbalneavDoesn't look like there's a package for it.04:25
sbalneavHow did you install fvwm95?04:25
trishausing synaptic04:25
sbalneavHmm, I'm running gutsy here, and I don't see it.04:26
sbalneavok04:26
sbalneavWhen you go to log in, does it show up in the sessions chooser?04:26
trishayah04:26
sbalneavon the login screen?04:26
trishayah04:26
sbalneavOh, ok, then just select it.04:26
sbalneavand log in04:26
trishawhat?04:26
sbalneavJust select that as your session, and log in04:27
trishawhat should i select?04:27
sbalneavYou said it showed up in the sessions chooser when you logged in.04:28
sbalneavSo select fvwm9504:28
trishaok04:29
trishai will log ogg04:29
trishaoff04:29
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trishahow do i create shortcut on my desktop running fvwm?05:12
trishahow do i create shortcut on my desktop running fvwm?05:14
LaserJocktrisha: you really should use google or something, we don't know how to do everything in fvwm05:23
LaserJocktrisha: I believe you need another application, like rox, that puts icons on the desktop05:23
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sbalneavtrisha: fvwm95 is SO old, you may have a few troubles getting support for modern stuff.05:31
sbalneavAny reason why you want to use it?05:31
trishait saves memory05:32
sbalneavHow much memory do you have in this machine?05:33
trishaim running ubuntu distro 7.04 i only have 256mb and i still wanna use it in other application05:33
crimsunI'm unsure whether he's referring to fvwm 2.[45]  or the older fvwm95.05:34
sbalneavOh, 256 megs? You've got lots to run Gnome05:34
trishaaccording to feedback it is still the best x-window05:34
sbalneavWhich, fvwm95?05:34
trishafvwm05:35
sbalneavWho are you getting this feedback from? :)05:35
trishafvwm-crystal05:35
trishaubuntu.org05:35
sbalneavNever seen it.05:36
sbalneavWell, if it works for you...05:36
jsgotangcofvwm really?05:42
LaserJocktrisha: openbox would be much better for you I think05:49
crimsunnah, aewm.05:49
crimsunor ion205:49
LaserJockactually, with 256MB of ram xfce4 should be fine05:50
crimsunit's tolerable05:50
LaserJockcrimsun: I tried those too, but I like openbox the best for minimalist WMs05:50
LaserJockI run full Ubuntu on a 1.3GHz machine with 256MB of RAM05:50
crimsunit's not a minimalist WM.05:51
LaserJockit's very tolerable05:51
LaserJockcrimsun: true05:51
LaserJockcrimsun: it's a bit relative05:51
LaserJockcompared to to Gnome and KDE it's pretty minimalist05:52
crimsundo you mean metacity and kwin?05:52
LaserJockno05:52
LaserJockI mean Gnome and KDE05:52
crimsunyou can't compare entire environments to a window manager.  It's trivially obvious that the latter class is "minimalist" to the former.05:53
LaserJockwell yes05:53
LaserJockbut that's what people compare too05:53
LaserJock"I'm running Ubuntu and I'd like something lighter"05:53
crimsunI don't think it applies in this context given the discussion WRT "fvwm-crystal".05:53
LaserJockwell, it seemed to me that the trisha was looking for something lighter than default Ubuntu05:54
LaserJockanyway, I understand what you're saying05:54
jsgotangcosawfish rules you!05:55
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trishais sawfish good?07:09
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AnRkeyhi all12:46
AnRkeyhow do i set my dhcp server to only handle requests from eth1?12:47
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sbalneavMorning all03:43
SimonAnibalGood morning, sbalneav04:08
sbalneavMorning SimonAnibal04:08
SimonAnibalsbalneav, How are you this fine morning?04:08
sbalneavPretty good, seeing as how I fixed a bug last night.04:09
sbalneavJust waiting for ogra to confirm I squashed it :)04:09
sbalneavogra: You there, big guy?04:12
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cliebow_hmm..update-manager seems wonky on my Hancock server.."subprocess bzip2 returned error code 2".what is screwed up?04:58
cliebow_got it05:10
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ograsbalneav, its wonderful ... i discovered one other blocker though, it crashes on wrong passwords05:22
ograi fixed the autologin mode as well05:22
ograand added reboot and shutdown functionallity05:23
cliebow_sbalneav ROCKS05:23
ograyeah05:23
ograsbalneav, my T150 boots in 44 seconds :D05:23
ograwith frocing X configuration 5105:23
cliebow_HOLY CRAP05:24
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ograits the fastest ltsp5 ever and can cope with 4.2 now :) we'll have a looong list for ltsp in the release notes05:25
cliebow_Woohoo!!!05:25
ludoRAhello05:26
pips1\o/05:29
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ludoRAIs someone know mobinet?05:45
ludoRAhttp://www-evasion.imag.fr/mobinet/05:46
pips1ludoRA: don't know it, sounds fun though05:47
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ludoRAIt's a research project05:49
ludoRABut linux developpment stopped for long time ago05:49
ludoRASomeone is going to restart it05:49
ludoRAThe mobinet team would have a mobinet linux version for some distro05:50
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ludoRAI think that it could be a good idea have this soft on edubuntu05:51
ludoRAbut I don't know how the developper have to make for this05:52
ludoRA"sorry for my english speaking"05:52
pips1is the source code available under an open source license?05:52
ludoRAyes05:53
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pips1that helps :-)05:53
pips1for distributing an application as part of a gnu/linux distribution, you need to "package" the software... I hope I'm not stating the obvious to you :-)05:55
ludoRAbut, they can't package it for all distribution05:57
pips1there is a defined process on how to do that for ubuntu... there are various different "groups" / repositories for software05:57
pips1no, they can't05:57
ludoRAwhere can I found this?05:57
pips1In many cases, the actual developers of a software don't do the packaging, but concentrate on writing the code :-)05:58
ludoRAYes, I know05:58
ludoRAso, they have to find a packager05:58
ludoRAa packager that test this package on testing repositories05:59
pips1yes, that would be great05:59
pips1in general, there are two main types of packages for gnu/linux distributions: "rpm" and "deb" packages06:00
ludoRAwhere can I found a "manual" for integrate a new soft on edubuntu06:00
ludoRAbut debian's .deb is not the same than a ubuntu's .deb06:01
LaserJockthey are very similar06:01
LaserJockand use the same package format, it's just a matter of the environment they build on really06:01
pips1well, ubuntu has diveded their software into so-called components / repositories: main, restricted, universe06:01
ludoRAI know, but's it's not really right for fedora's and mandriva's rpm06:01
pips1introduction about ubuntu's components : http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/components06:02
LaserJockno, .debs and .rpms are fairly different06:02
sbalneavogra: Nice!!!06:03
ogra*sigh* that was the longes bzr push ever ...06:03
sbalneavHey, did you try the 377 version of LDM?06:03
LaserJockalthough you can sometimes use alien to convert between them, but it's not perfect06:03
ograsbalneav, https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/scotts-gutsy-ogra06:03
ograplease merge the last two changes as soon as they show up ...06:03
sbalneavhokey doke06:03
ograi'll put in the packaging changes to make ldm2 the default there as well06:03
sbalneavdid that fix the keyboard stuff?06:03
ograyeah, all fine now06:04
sbalneavAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA06:04
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ograonly the issue with the wrong passwords is left06:04
pips1ludoRA: LaserJock is a packager, so he will be able to tell you all about packaging :-)06:04
LaserJockheh06:04
LaserJockogra: btw, will you be around for the TB meeting at 19:00UTC?06:05
ograand the autologin needs some way to shut down the whole thing ... its quite odd that you have to hit the powerbutton to get out of the session06:05
pips1LaserJock: didn't you start this this mentoring thing?06:05
ograLaserJock, today ?06:05
ograif i'm needed i'll be there :)06:05
LaserJockogra: yes06:05
LaserJockwell, I haven't heard from the TB, but I assume my interview is today06:05
ogragreat, i'll be there :)06:06
pips1wow06:07
pips1Laser do you need fan support ?06:07
pips1:-)06:07
LaserJocknot sure06:07
LaserJockI think it's just supposed to be a short interview, I've already been approved by the MOTU Council06:08
ludoRALaserJock: have you seen this application: http://www-evasion.imag.fr/mobinet/06:08
LaserJockno, interesting06:09
pips1ludoRA: info about packaging: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New06:09
pips1LaserJock: is that page ^^^ relevant and up to date?06:10
LaserJockkinda06:11
LaserJockhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation is good06:11
pips1ah06:11
LaserJockalso https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring06:11
LaserJockogra: Keybuk is a little uncertain if there will actually be a TB meeting today, but if there is I'll be on the agenda06:14
ogragood06:14
LaserJockso I'll just ping you06:14
ograi'll keep an eye on the channel06:14
pips1hmm, since you said it's probably more a formal thing (?), I might skip the fan part, if that's ok with you? :-)06:14
pips1you know i'm a fan :-)06:15
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ludoRAthanks for all this links LaserJock06:15
LaserJockludoRA: if you need help with learning to package #ubuntu-motu is a great place06:16
LaserJockthat application looks pretty cool06:16
ludoRAthanks LaserJock06:18
pips1ludoRA: just out of curiosity, have you looked at other linux distros? did you approach them too? or first here? :-)06:23
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ludoRAfirst here06:28
ludoRAbut I'm contacting debian too06:28
ludoRAat this moment06:28
pips1good to hear :-)06:28
pips1may I ask why first here?06:29
pips1and can I ask, did you find it difficult to find your way here?06:29
ludoRAmy way to go to irc???06:30
pips1yes, this channel :-)06:30
ludoRAno, i didn't06:31
ludoRAbut, speaking english is very difficult for me06:31
cliebow_you are doing very well06:31
pips1I see. There are quite a few people around where English isn't their first language...06:31
pips1... so you aren't alone :-)06:32
pips1besides that language, what do you find difficult?06:32
ludoRAit's very simple for me using all web applications06:33
pips1(sorry for all those questions - but I want to learn how we can make it easier for people to approach our project)06:33
ludoRAso, I had no difficulty for this06:34
ludoRAI'm on french Ubuntu site and irc06:34
ludoRAfor few months ago06:34
pips1so how did you find this channel exactly? and why did you decide to approach edubuntu first?06:35
pips1ah, you know ubuntu first :-)06:35
ludoRAyes06:35
pips1i see06:35
ludoRAI were on ubuntu's french irc06:36
pips1ok06:36
pips1is it an active channel?06:36
ludoRAand I seen edubuntu canal in freenode list06:36
pips1ah, ok06:36
ludoRAyes, it's an very active channel06:36
pips1:-)06:37
ludoRAso, I'd prefer to post on #Kubuntu-fr06:37
ludoRA;-)06:37
ludoRAthere are less people06:37
ludoRAand questions06:37
pips1less than ? here?06:37
ludoRAless than #Ubuntu-fr06:37
pips1understood06:38
=== pips1 counts 192 noses currently in ubuntu-fr
pips1 pips1 counts 34 noses currently in kubuntu-fr06:39
ludoRAyes06:39
=== LaserJock wonders why pips1 is counting noses
LaserJockI counted feet and divided by 2 ;-)06:40
pips1hehe06:40
pips1ah, scientists ;-)06:40
LaserJockwell, if I was taking that approach:06:41
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LaserJockI would use the laser to see how many people cross a specific line06:41
LaserJockand using the volume of the room and the average velocity of a human being in such a room06:42
LaserJockI'd come up with a 95% confidence limit on the probability that there were X number of people in the room06:42
=== ogra hopes LaserJock doesnt mount it in eye height
pips1LOL06:43
LaserJockogra: good point06:43
LaserJockwe try to avoid putting the laser at eye height at both standing and sitting positions06:43
LaserJockin my lab it's almost exactly at eye height when sitting :/06:43
pips1pffft06:44
pips1unbelievable06:44
LaserJockwell, we just don't sit that often ;-)06:44
pips1nobody of your height then?06:45
pips1ahh, right06:45
pips1but still06:45
LaserJockthe table that the laser sits on is 2 ton stainless steel with massive legs06:45
LaserJockwe can't do a lot about adjusting it06:45
LaserJockso we have stools that are a bit higher than a normal chair06:46
LaserJocklike a bar stool06:46
=== pips1 imagines Laserjock and a group of fellow laser scientists gathering around the 2 ton table... now, on 3, and a 1, 2, 3, ...
pips1heave!06:47
pips1quick, get that book under06:47
LaserJockhahahaha06:48
LaserJockthe legs alone are rather heavy06:48
LaserJockthey are special to remove any vibration from earthquakes06:49
pips1hmm06:49
pips1so, in case of a big earthquake.. would you snatch yourself one of those legs and stand on top?06:50
=== pips1 is obviously doing something very boring at his day job right now ;-)
LaserJockheh06:51
pips1yeah, that's it. I better go now and get this *#! finished06:52
pips1:-)06:52
pips1see you!06:52
LaserJockgeeze, I'm becoming a programming nerd06:53
LaserJockI read that as a #! and thought he was doing programming06:54
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cliebow_-bash: /dev/null: Permission denied08:36
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cliebow_sbalneav: you using us.archive.ubuntu fopr updates?09:13
sbalneavUsually I do09:13
ograsbalneav, shhh ... TB meeting in #ubuntu-meeting , LaserJock is going for core-dev maintainership09:14
cliebow_im having weird issues with libsexy and musicbrainz? seem to be there but wont fetch09:14
sbalneavogra: Should I join?09:14
ogradunno, seems already done , but if you want to cheer :)09:15
LaserJockholy smokes!!!!09:16
LaserJockI made it!09:17
ograyay09:17
ografinally09:17
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=== LaserJock hugs #edubuntu
ogra:D09:17
cliebow_yippee!!09:18
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LaserJockhi highvoltage, you that's really you :-)09:25
greg_g(an interested person who is not a part of the project) congrats LaserJock09:28
highvoltageLaserJock: indeed :)09:32
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LaserJockgreg_g: thank you09:52
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crimsunMC wouldn't have recommended if you wouldn't have09:58
cliebow_LaserJock:so you moved up to the executive salary ?10:00
ograheh10:01
cliebow_ogra: so what did i screw up updating to feisty? on ssh login -bash: /dev/null: Permission denied..lets me in after  a ctrl-C just the same10:02
ogracliebow_, if you said that with 'currency == bugs' in mind thats true :P10:02
ogracliebow_, did you use update-manager ?10:03
ograsounds like an udev breakage10:04
cliebow_ogra:i did until i started getting little squares instead of letters..10:04
ograthat was from edgy to feisty ?10:04
crimsunyeah, I've seen that with /dev/null not being 66610:04
cliebow_i kept pushing the right buttons i think10:04
cliebow_i did 666 /dev/null and it went away til; reboot10:05
ograyeah, seems udev has gotten something wrong there10:05
crimsunshould be an old udev bug about this10:05
cliebow_im gonna leave it til tomorrow i guess..getting woozy10:06
cliebow_freenx went south on me so i cant tell what is up without driving up there..so tomorrow itis10:06
ograhmm, LP doesnt reveal any open bugs about that10:07
ograhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/8387810:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 83878 in udev "wrong permissions for /dev/null when /usr is a separate filesystem" [High,Fix released] 10:08
ograaha10:08
cliebow_i found something about /lib/udev/devices...10:09
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ograwell, does restarting udev after boot fix it ?10:11
cliebow_rebooting10:13
cliebow_nope10:14
ograwhich udev version is installed ?10:14
cliebow_093-0ubuntu1810:15
ograshould be something like 108-0ubuntu410:15
ograso there you got your problem .... your upgrade didnt finish10:15
cliebow_yes i see that now10:16
cliebow_i cant get a gui without driving out..since nx is borked10:16
cliebow_so tomorrow it is10:16
ogralsb_release -a <-- does that say feisty ?10:17
cliebow_7.04 feisty10:17
ograhm10:17
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