[12:36] <john_s> hello all-- any SAMBA gurus's on this list perchance
[12:36] <john_s> ?
[12:38] <sbalneav> I know one or two things about samba
[12:38] <sbalneav> what do you need?
[12:38] <john_s> I need to use ldap to store my samba/winbind backend
[12:38] <john_s> and I don't know how to migrate my accounts
[12:42] <sbalneav> Ah, what you'r looking for is moquists and trasks tool
[12:42] <john_s> Perhaps.
[12:42] <john_s> I've looked at it
[12:42] <john_s> but i don't think its a migration tool
[12:42] <john_s> I think its a "set up a bdc/pdc" type of thing
[12:42] <john_s> Does it do migration?
[12:43] <sbalneav> I thought so.
[12:43] <john_s> hm
[12:43] <john_s> Ok, I have an email into david.
[12:43] <sbalneav> Migrating from /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow?
[12:43] <john_s> Well no, this would be like winbindsecrets.tdb and sam.tdb
[12:43] <john_s> I believe
[12:44] <sbalneav> ah, so migrating from windows.
[12:44] <sbalneav> I'd be lost there.
[12:44] <john_s> well, yes and no
[12:44] <john_s> When you use winbind to use Active Directory for authentication you get these little databases
[12:45] <john_s> like /var/cache/samba/winbindd_cache.tdb
[12:45] <john_s> and that is good. Now if you want to scale it to more than one server you need to make it a centralized resource
[12:45] <john_s> Samba docs say to use LDAP generally
[12:46] <sbalneav> Well, I'd expect there'd be some tool to extract info from the .tdb
[12:46] <john_s> Yeah, me to. That's sort of my question.
[12:46] <john_s> :-)
[12:46] <sbalneav> hmm
[12:47] <sbalneav> If anyone, Trask would know.
[12:47] <sbalneav> I'm sure he'll steer you right.
[12:47] <john_s> Ok, good. Well hopefully he'll shoot me an email.
[12:47] <sbalneav> He will, he's a great guy.
[12:47] <john_s> I appreciate your responses
[12:47] <sbalneav> Look for him here and on #ltsp
[12:47] <john_s> hurray!
[12:47] <sbalneav> he sometimes idles.
[12:47] <john_s> will do.
[12:48] <john_s> Thanks again. bye
[12:48] <sbalneav> bye
[02:13] <etank> is there an edubuntu-lite?
[02:14] <Burgundavia> there is a plan to create an xfce desktop, but nothing has come yet
[02:14] <etank> cool
[02:14] <sbalneav> etank: You could create your own.
[02:14] <sbalneav> Start with xubuntu
[02:14] <etank> i have 60 machines that i want to install edubuntu on and then donate to needy children
[02:15] <sbalneav> then just add the edu apps
[02:15] <etank> my plan right now is to use an alternate cd to do an oem install and then create a ghost image to push to the other machines
[02:15] <etank> but the machines are a little old
[02:16] <etank> 500 MHZ, 512 MB Ram, 20 GB HDD
[02:22] <Burgundavia> etank: 500mhz is plenty powerful enough for a thin client
[02:22] <etank> but these are going to be give to individual families
[02:22] <etank> thin client wont work
[02:23] <etank> and i will have no way of knowing if the new owner will have access to the internet so i have to get all of the apps installed on there before giving them away
[02:24] <Burgundavia> ahh
[02:24] <Burgundavia> I used to use GNOME on 500 mhz
[02:25] <sbalneav> I used to use a ZX-81 at 1 mhz. :)
[02:26] <sbalneav> And before that, a real VT100 terminal.
[02:26] <sbalneav> From DEC :)
[02:27] <Burgundavia> right
[02:27] <Burgundavia> I feel young
[02:27] <sbalneav> I'
[02:27] <sbalneav> I'm 39 today!
[02:27] <sbalneav> :)
[02:27] <etank> happy birthday :)
[02:28] <Burgundavia> my first computer was a 100 mhz and the first computer I used was a 8086 of my fathers
[02:28] <sbalneav> Nothing like sitting on your birthday coding the next release :)
[02:28] <sbalneav> Wife's not feeling well, so I had to cook my own birthday dinner LOL
[02:29] <sbalneav> Got just what I wanted: Big juicy steak, baguette with oven roasted garlic butter, and corn on the cob.
[02:29] <sbalneav> Yum!
[02:31] <Burgundavia> congrats
[02:34] <sbalneav> If I fix this bug, I will officially celebrate by going to the beer vendor, and grabbing some cold ones :)
[02:43] <jsgotangco> sbalneav: hi grandpa
[02:44] <sbalneav> Hey sonny
[02:44] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:44] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: i used to gnome on a P166 and it was butt-ugly
[02:44] <sbalneav> Speak louder, my ear-trumpet's blocked :)
[02:44] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: yep
[02:45] <jsgotangco> Mandrake Linux was probably light-years ahead of the pack in terms of pretty distro packaging
[02:46] <Burgundavia> wow, RH8 was not
[02:52] <jsgotangco> breakfast brb
[03:30] <sbalneav> Ooooohh
[03:30] <sbalneav> looking goood
[03:58] <LaserJock> sbalneav: happy birthday
[03:58] <sbalneav> \o/ works
[03:59] <sbalneav> Thanks, LaserJock
[03:59] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: the Classroom Server Addon CD has XFCE4
[04:03] <trisha> anyone here knows how to activate fvwm95 x -window?
[04:04] <jsgotangco> hey LaserJock
[04:04] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco!
[04:15] <john_> For candidate modem in PCI bus:  03:09.0
[04:15] <john_>    Class 0780: 14f1:2702 Communication controller: Conexant Unknown device 2702
[04:15] <john_>       Primary PCI_id  14f1:2702
[04:15] <john_>  Support type needed or chipset:	hsfmodem
[04:15] <john_> sorry - first time using this
[04:16] <john_> but i do need help getting this internal modem to work - is 56k dial up
[04:16] <moquist> sbalneav: will there be a config option to set the ldm greeter in your implementation? I've been talking with gadi, and we think it would be a good idea.
[04:16] <sbalneav> Well, lets see.
[04:16] <sbalneav> I'm setting display options
[04:16] <sbalneav> sound options
[04:17] <sbalneav> localdev options
[04:17] <sbalneav> ...
[04:17] <sbalneav> Nope, sorry, run out of room in the code.
[04:17] <sbalneav> The only greeter will be in black and white.
[04:17] <sbalneav> :)
[04:17] <sbalneav> On my list :)
[04:18] <sbalneav> ogra wanted a QT greeter for K environs, GTK for gnome, and a "low resource" one if we have time.
[04:18] <sbalneav> So, yeah, customizable greeter program's a go.
[04:19] <sbalneav> Just haven't done it yet.  Spent the last two or 3 days hunting down a nasty bug with pty's
[04:19] <sbalneav> john_: That a winmodem?
[04:20] <trisha> anyone here knows how to activate fvwm95 x -window?
[04:20] <sbalneav> Sure, just set yourself up a .xsession file.
[04:20] <sbalneav> in your home dir.
[04:22] <sbalneav> Have you installed fvwm95 yet>
[04:22] <sbalneav> ?
[04:22] <trisha> sbalneav: yah
[04:23] <trisha> sbalneav: but im still using ubuntu 7.04 as my distro
[04:23] <sbalneav> A quick bit of googling turned this up
[04:23] <sbalneav> http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~fvwm/manual/fvwm95.xsession
[04:23] <sbalneav> save what in your home dir as .xsession
[04:23] <sbalneav> mode 755
[04:24] <sbalneav> Hmm
[04:24] <sbalneav> it ma
[04:24] <trisha> sbalneav: i dont get it
[04:24] <sbalneav> it may actually provide a session.
[04:24] <sbalneav> hold on, lemme look
[04:25] <trisha> sbalneav: you mean i have to copy paste the page and save it at home dir.
[04:25] <sbalneav> Doesn't look like there's a package for it.
[04:25] <sbalneav> How did you install fvwm95?
[04:25] <trisha> using synaptic
[04:26] <sbalneav> Hmm, I'm running gutsy here, and I don't see it.
[04:26] <sbalneav> ok
[04:26] <sbalneav> When you go to log in, does it show up in the sessions chooser?
[04:26] <trisha> yah
[04:26] <sbalneav> on the login screen?
[04:26] <trisha> yah
[04:26] <sbalneav> Oh, ok, then just select it.
[04:26] <sbalneav> and log in
[04:26] <trisha> what?
[04:27] <sbalneav> Just select that as your session, and log in
[04:27] <trisha> what should i select?
[04:28] <sbalneav> You said it showed up in the sessions chooser when you logged in.
[04:28] <sbalneav> So select fvwm95
[04:29] <trisha> ok
[04:29] <trisha> i will log ogg
[04:29] <trisha> off
[05:12] <trisha> how do i create shortcut on my desktop running fvwm?
[05:14] <trisha> how do i create shortcut on my desktop running fvwm?
[05:23] <LaserJock> trisha: you really should use google or something, we don't know how to do everything in fvwm
[05:23] <LaserJock> trisha: I believe you need another application, like rox, that puts icons on the desktop
[05:31] <sbalneav> trisha: fvwm95 is SO old, you may have a few troubles getting support for modern stuff.
[05:31] <sbalneav> Any reason why you want to use it?
[05:32] <trisha> it saves memory
[05:33] <sbalneav> How much memory do you have in this machine?
[05:33] <trisha> im running ubuntu distro 7.04 i only have 256mb and i still wanna use it in other application
[05:34] <crimsun> I'm unsure whether he's referring to fvwm 2.[45]  or the older fvwm95.
[05:34] <sbalneav> Oh, 256 megs? You've got lots to run Gnome
[05:34] <trisha> according to feedback it is still the best x-window
[05:34] <sbalneav> Which, fvwm95?
[05:35] <trisha> fvwm
[05:35] <sbalneav> Who are you getting this feedback from? :)
[05:35] <trisha> fvwm-crystal
[05:35] <trisha> ubuntu.org
[05:36] <sbalneav> Never seen it.
[05:36] <sbalneav> Well, if it works for you...
[05:42] <jsgotangco> fvwm really?
[05:49] <LaserJock> trisha: openbox would be much better for you I think
[05:49] <crimsun> nah, aewm.
[05:49] <crimsun> or ion2
[05:50] <LaserJock> actually, with 256MB of ram xfce4 should be fine
[05:50] <crimsun> it's tolerable
[05:50] <LaserJock> crimsun: I tried those too, but I like openbox the best for minimalist WMs
[05:50] <LaserJock> I run full Ubuntu on a 1.3GHz machine with 256MB of RAM
[05:51] <crimsun> it's not a minimalist WM.
[05:51] <LaserJock> it's very tolerable
[05:51] <LaserJock> crimsun: true
[05:51] <LaserJock> crimsun: it's a bit relative
[05:52] <LaserJock> compared to to Gnome and KDE it's pretty minimalist
[05:52] <crimsun> do you mean metacity and kwin?
[05:52] <LaserJock> no
[05:52] <LaserJock> I mean Gnome and KDE
[05:53] <crimsun> you can't compare entire environments to a window manager.  It's trivially obvious that the latter class is "minimalist" to the former.
[05:53] <LaserJock> well yes
[05:53] <LaserJock> but that's what people compare too
[05:53] <LaserJock> "I'm running Ubuntu and I'd like something lighter"
[05:53] <crimsun> I don't think it applies in this context given the discussion WRT "fvwm-crystal".
[05:54] <LaserJock> well, it seemed to me that the trisha was looking for something lighter than default Ubuntu
[05:54] <LaserJock> anyway, I understand what you're saying
[05:55] <jsgotangco> sawfish rules you!
[07:09] <trisha> is sawfish good?
[12:46] <AnRkey> hi all
[12:47] <AnRkey> how do i set my dhcp server to only handle requests from eth1?
[03:43] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:08] <SimonAnibal> Good morning, sbalneav
[04:08] <sbalneav> Morning SimonAnibal
[04:08] <SimonAnibal> sbalneav, How are you this fine morning?
[04:09] <sbalneav> Pretty good, seeing as how I fixed a bug last night.
[04:09] <sbalneav> Just waiting for ogra to confirm I squashed it :)
[04:12] <sbalneav> ogra: You there, big guy?
[04:58] <cliebow_> hmm..update-manager seems wonky on my Hancock server.."subprocess bzip2 returned error code 2".what is screwed up?
[05:10] <cliebow_> got it
[05:22] <ogra> sbalneav, its wonderful ... i discovered one other blocker though, it crashes on wrong passwords
[05:22] <ogra> i fixed the autologin mode as well
[05:23] <ogra> and added reboot and shutdown functionallity
[05:23] <cliebow_> sbalneav ROCKS
[05:23] <ogra> yeah
[05:23] <ogra> sbalneav, my T150 boots in 44 seconds :D
[05:23] <ogra> with frocing X configuration 51
[05:24] <cliebow_> HOLY CRAP
[05:25] <ogra> its the fastest ltsp5 ever and can cope with 4.2 now :) we'll have a looong list for ltsp in the release notes
[05:25] <cliebow_> Woohoo!!!
[05:26] <ludoRA> hello
[05:29] <pips1> \o/
[05:45] <ludoRA> Is someone know mobinet?
[05:46] <ludoRA> http://www-evasion.imag.fr/mobinet/
[05:47] <pips1> ludoRA: don't know it, sounds fun though
[05:49] <ludoRA> It's a research project
[05:49] <ludoRA> But linux developpment stopped for long time ago
[05:49] <ludoRA> Someone is going to restart it
[05:50] <ludoRA> The mobinet team would have a mobinet linux version for some distro
[05:51] <ludoRA> I think that it could be a good idea have this soft on edubuntu
[05:52] <ludoRA> but I don't know how the developper have to make for this
[05:52] <ludoRA> "sorry for my english speaking"
[05:52] <pips1> is the source code available under an open source license?
[05:53] <ludoRA> yes
[05:53] <pips1> that helps :-)
[05:55] <pips1> for distributing an application as part of a gnu/linux distribution, you need to "package" the software... I hope I'm not stating the obvious to you :-)
[05:57] <ludoRA> but, they can't package it for all distribution
[05:57] <pips1> there is a defined process on how to do that for ubuntu... there are various different "groups" / repositories for software
[05:57] <pips1> no, they can't
[05:57] <ludoRA> where can I found this?
[05:58] <pips1> In many cases, the actual developers of a software don't do the packaging, but concentrate on writing the code :-)
[05:58] <ludoRA> Yes, I know
[05:58] <ludoRA> so, they have to find a packager
[05:59] <ludoRA> a packager that test this package on testing repositories
[05:59] <pips1> yes, that would be great
[06:00] <pips1> in general, there are two main types of packages for gnu/linux distributions: "rpm" and "deb" packages
[06:00] <ludoRA> where can I found a "manual" for integrate a new soft on edubuntu
[06:01] <ludoRA> but debian's .deb is not the same than a ubuntu's .deb
[06:01] <LaserJock> they are very similar
[06:01] <LaserJock> and use the same package format, it's just a matter of the environment they build on really
[06:01] <pips1> well, ubuntu has diveded their software into so-called components / repositories: main, restricted, universe
[06:01] <ludoRA> I know, but's it's not really right for fedora's and mandriva's rpm
[06:02] <pips1> introduction about ubuntu's components : http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/components
[06:02] <LaserJock> no, .debs and .rpms are fairly different
[06:03] <sbalneav> ogra: Nice!!!
[06:03] <ogra> *sigh* that was the longes bzr push ever ...
[06:03] <sbalneav> Hey, did you try the 377 version of LDM?
[06:03] <LaserJock> although you can sometimes use alien to convert between them, but it's not perfect
[06:03] <ogra> sbalneav, https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/scotts-gutsy-ogra
[06:03] <ogra> please merge the last two changes as soon as they show up ...
[06:03] <sbalneav> hokey doke
[06:03] <ogra> i'll put in the packaging changes to make ldm2 the default there as well
[06:03] <sbalneav> did that fix the keyboard stuff?
[06:04] <ogra> yeah, all fine now
[06:04] <sbalneav> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
[06:04] <ogra> only the issue with the wrong passwords is left
[06:04] <pips1> ludoRA: LaserJock is a packager, so he will be able to tell you all about packaging :-)
[06:04] <LaserJock> heh
[06:05] <LaserJock> ogra: btw, will you be around for the TB meeting at 19:00UTC?
[06:05] <ogra> and the autologin needs some way to shut down the whole thing ... its quite odd that you have to hit the powerbutton to get out of the session
[06:05] <pips1> LaserJock: didn't you start this this mentoring thing?
[06:05] <ogra> LaserJock, today ?
[06:05] <ogra> if i'm needed i'll be there :)
[06:05] <LaserJock> ogra: yes
[06:05] <LaserJock> well, I haven't heard from the TB, but I assume my interview is today
[06:06] <ogra> great, i'll be there :)
[06:07] <pips1> wow
[06:07] <pips1> Laser do you need fan support ?
[06:07] <pips1> :-)
[06:07] <LaserJock> not sure
[06:08] <LaserJock> I think it's just supposed to be a short interview, I've already been approved by the MOTU Council
[06:08] <ludoRA> LaserJock: have you seen this application: http://www-evasion.imag.fr/mobinet/
[06:09] <LaserJock> no, interesting
[06:09] <pips1> ludoRA: info about packaging: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New
[06:10] <pips1> LaserJock: is that page ^^^ relevant and up to date?
[06:11] <LaserJock> kinda
[06:11] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation is good
[06:11] <pips1> ah
[06:11] <LaserJock> also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring
[06:14] <LaserJock> ogra: Keybuk is a little uncertain if there will actually be a TB meeting today, but if there is I'll be on the agenda
[06:14] <ogra> good
[06:14] <LaserJock> so I'll just ping you
[06:14] <ogra> i'll keep an eye on the channel
[06:14] <pips1> hmm, since you said it's probably more a formal thing (?), I might skip the fan part, if that's ok with you? :-)
[06:15] <pips1> you know i'm a fan :-)
[06:15] <ludoRA> thanks for all this links LaserJock
[06:16] <LaserJock> ludoRA: if you need help with learning to package #ubuntu-motu is a great place
[06:16] <LaserJock> that application looks pretty cool
[06:18] <ludoRA> thanks LaserJock
[06:23] <pips1> ludoRA: just out of curiosity, have you looked at other linux distros? did you approach them too? or first here? :-)
[06:28] <ludoRA> first here
[06:28] <ludoRA> but I'm contacting debian too
[06:28] <ludoRA> at this moment
[06:28] <pips1> good to hear :-)
[06:29] <pips1> may I ask why first here?
[06:29] <pips1> and can I ask, did you find it difficult to find your way here?
[06:30] <ludoRA> my way to go to irc???
[06:30] <pips1> yes, this channel :-)
[06:31] <ludoRA> no, i didn't
[06:31] <ludoRA> but, speaking english is very difficult for me
[06:31] <cliebow_> you are doing very well
[06:31] <pips1> I see. There are quite a few people around where English isn't their first language...
[06:32] <pips1> ... so you aren't alone :-)
[06:32] <pips1> besides that language, what do you find difficult?
[06:33] <ludoRA> it's very simple for me using all web applications
[06:33] <pips1> (sorry for all those questions - but I want to learn how we can make it easier for people to approach our project)
[06:34] <ludoRA> so, I had no difficulty for this
[06:34] <ludoRA> I'm on french Ubuntu site and irc
[06:34] <ludoRA> for few months ago
[06:35] <pips1> so how did you find this channel exactly? and why did you decide to approach edubuntu first?
[06:35] <pips1> ah, you know ubuntu first :-)
[06:35] <ludoRA> yes
[06:35] <pips1> i see
[06:36] <ludoRA> I were on ubuntu's french irc
[06:36] <pips1> ok
[06:36] <pips1> is it an active channel?
[06:36] <ludoRA> and I seen edubuntu canal in freenode list
[06:36] <pips1> ah, ok
[06:36] <ludoRA> yes, it's an very active channel
[06:37] <pips1> :-)
[06:37] <ludoRA> so, I'd prefer to post on #Kubuntu-fr
[06:37] <ludoRA> ;-)
[06:37] <ludoRA> there are less people
[06:37] <ludoRA> and questions
[06:37] <pips1> less than ? here?
[06:37] <ludoRA> less than #Ubuntu-fr
[06:38] <pips1> understood
[06:39] <pips1>  pips1 counts 34 noses currently in kubuntu-fr
[06:39] <ludoRA> yes
[06:40] <LaserJock> I counted feet and divided by 2 ;-)
[06:40] <pips1> hehe
[06:40] <pips1> ah, scientists ;-)
[06:41] <LaserJock> well, if I was taking that approach:
[06:41] <LaserJock> I would use the laser to see how many people cross a specific line
[06:42] <LaserJock> and using the volume of the room and the average velocity of a human being in such a room
[06:42] <LaserJock> I'd come up with a 95% confidence limit on the probability that there were X number of people in the room
[06:43] <pips1> LOL
[06:43] <LaserJock> ogra: good point
[06:43] <LaserJock> we try to avoid putting the laser at eye height at both standing and sitting positions
[06:43] <LaserJock> in my lab it's almost exactly at eye height when sitting :/
[06:44] <pips1> pffft
[06:44] <pips1> unbelievable
[06:44] <LaserJock> well, we just don't sit that often ;-)
[06:45] <pips1> nobody of your height then?
[06:45] <pips1> ahh, right
[06:45] <pips1> but still
[06:45] <LaserJock> the table that the laser sits on is 2 ton stainless steel with massive legs
[06:45] <LaserJock> we can't do a lot about adjusting it
[06:46] <LaserJock> so we have stools that are a bit higher than a normal chair
[06:46] <LaserJock> like a bar stool
[06:47] <pips1> heave!
[06:47] <pips1> quick, get that book under
[06:48] <LaserJock> hahahaha
[06:48] <LaserJock> the legs alone are rather heavy
[06:49] <LaserJock> they are special to remove any vibration from earthquakes
[06:49] <pips1> hmm
[06:50] <pips1> so, in case of a big earthquake.. would you snatch yourself one of those legs and stand on top?
[06:51] <LaserJock> heh
[06:52] <pips1> yeah, that's it. I better go now and get this *#! finished
[06:52] <pips1> :-)
[06:52] <pips1> see you!
[06:53] <LaserJock> geeze, I'm becoming a programming nerd
[06:54] <LaserJock> I read that as a #! and thought he was doing programming
[08:36] <cliebow_> -bash: /dev/null: Permission denied
[09:13] <cliebow_> sbalneav: you using us.archive.ubuntu fopr updates?
[09:13] <sbalneav> Usually I do
[09:14] <ogra> sbalneav, shhh ... TB meeting in #ubuntu-meeting , LaserJock is going for core-dev maintainership
[09:14] <cliebow_> im having weird issues with libsexy and musicbrainz? seem to be there but wont fetch
[09:14] <sbalneav> ogra: Should I join?
[09:15] <ogra> dunno, seems already done , but if you want to cheer :)
[09:16] <LaserJock> holy smokes!!!!
[09:17] <LaserJock> I made it!
[09:17] <ogra> yay
[09:17] <ogra> finally
[09:17] <ogra> :D
[09:18] <cliebow_> yippee!!
[09:25] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage, you that's really you :-)
[09:28] <greg_g> (an interested person who is not a part of the project) congrats LaserJock
[09:32] <highvoltage> LaserJock: indeed :)
[09:52] <LaserJock> greg_g: thank you
[09:58] <crimsun> MC wouldn't have recommended if you wouldn't have
[10:00] <cliebow_> LaserJock:so you moved up to the executive salary ?
[10:01] <ogra> heh
[10:02] <cliebow_> ogra: so what did i screw up updating to feisty? on ssh login -bash: /dev/null: Permission denied..lets me in after  a ctrl-C just the same
[10:02] <ogra> cliebow_, if you said that with 'currency == bugs' in mind thats true :P
[10:03] <ogra> cliebow_, did you use update-manager ?
[10:04] <ogra> sounds like an udev breakage
[10:04] <cliebow_> ogra:i did until i started getting little squares instead of letters..
[10:04] <ogra> that was from edgy to feisty ?
[10:04] <crimsun> yeah, I've seen that with /dev/null not being 666
[10:04] <cliebow_> i kept pushing the right buttons i think
[10:05] <cliebow_> i did 666 /dev/null and it went away til; reboot
[10:05] <ogra> yeah, seems udev has gotten something wrong there
[10:05] <crimsun> should be an old udev bug about this
[10:06] <cliebow_> im gonna leave it til tomorrow i guess..getting woozy
[10:06] <cliebow_> freenx went south on me so i cant tell what is up without driving up there..so tomorrow itis
[10:07] <ogra> hmm, LP doesnt reveal any open bugs about that
[10:08] <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/83878
[10:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 83878 in udev "wrong permissions for /dev/null when /usr is a separate filesystem" [High,Fix released] 
[10:08] <ogra> aha
[10:09] <cliebow_> i found something about /lib/udev/devices...
[10:11] <ogra> well, does restarting udev after boot fix it ?
[10:13] <cliebow_> rebooting
[10:14] <cliebow_> nope
[10:14] <ogra> which udev version is installed ?
[10:15] <cliebow_> 093-0ubuntu18
[10:15] <ogra> should be something like 108-0ubuntu4
[10:15] <ogra> so there you got your problem .... your upgrade didnt finish
[10:16] <cliebow_> yes i see that now
[10:16] <cliebow_> i cant get a gui without driving out..since nx is borked
[10:16] <cliebow_> so tomorrow it is
[10:17] <ogra> lsb_release -a <-- does that say feisty ?
[10:17] <cliebow_> 7.04 feisty
[10:17] <ogra> hm
[10:19] <cliebow_> bbiab