| manchicken | ? | 12:15 |
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| manchicken | Isn't it past your bedtime? | 12:16 |
| Riddell | I havn't achieved my achiement quota for today | 12:17 |
| mhb | manchicken: it is, but his computer does a very loud scream whenever you mention his name on IRC :o) | 12:18 |
| Riddell | although I do have a dentist appointment tomorrow morning so I suppose I can't stay up too late | 12:18 |
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| manchicken | Nice. | 12:22 |
| manchicken | Damnit, this latest kernel update hosed my sound again. | 12:24 |
| nosrednaekim | manchicken: I heard about that. | 12:24 |
| crimsun | I hate it when people say something about sound and don't provide any details. | 12:25 |
| crimsun | I have a trigger on "sound", and it's really frickin annoying to read awaylog and find nothing to help debug. | 12:26 |
| nosrednaekim | hey crimsun! did you get that hint from fdoving? | 12:26 |
| crimsun | nosrednaekim: I read it, but it violates my UI. | 12:26 |
| nosrednaekim | crimsun: what? | 12:27 |
| crimsun | Apply semantically does not mean Apply this and close the window - at least from what you tell me in existing KDE 3 apps. | 12:27 |
| nosrednaekim | crimsun: right, well that was for if you were still doing the close button | 12:27 |
| crimsun | if the majority of existing KDE 3 apps do not have one, then I'm hesitant to deviate. | 12:27 |
| nosrednaekim | right. is it all working? I found something interesting from it. I actually have two sound chips. | 12:29 |
| crimsun | manchicken: i.e., "hosed my sound" is insufficient. Tell me the output from http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh | 12:29 |
| manchicken | crimsun: I'm still trying to verify that it's the kernel update :) | 12:29 |
| crimsun | nosrednaekim: yes, I'm about to push out another update before I begin the PyQt4 portion. | 12:30 |
| nosrednaekim | manchicken: if you have the hda-intel driver, I've been hearing bad things about the latest kernel update | 12:30 |
| crimsun | it depends on your HDA codec. | 12:30 |
| manchicken | crimsun: I'm getting a lot of errors from your script. | 12:30 |
| crimsun | what sort? | 12:31 |
| crimsun | it requires bash and should say so in the shebang. | 12:31 |
| manchicken | This sort: /home/manchicken/bin/alsa-info.sh: 190: [[: not found | 12:31 |
| crimsun | it's not my script, though I had significant input into it. We work on it in #alsa. | 12:31 |
| manchicken | Ah, damnit. | 12:32 |
| manchicken | It's dash | 12:32 |
| manchicken | That's what was killing it. | 12:32 |
| manchicken | crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/575234 | 12:32 |
| mhb | manchicken: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-June/001777.html | 12:32 |
| manchicken | crimsun: Hopefully that helps :) | 12:33 |
| manchicken | I've gotta take off. | 12:34 |
| crimsun | that's definitely not an HDA codec | 12:35 |
| crimsun | I mean, it is kinda humorous that 'Master' is muted | 12:35 |
| crimsun | it's also quite possible that you need 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA' set to 0 and 'External Amplifier' muted | 12:36 |
| nosrednaekim | i'm sorry, quick question, where do you put commands that you want to run on boot? | 12:37 |
| crimsun | depends when you want them executed. | 12:37 |
| crimsun | if it doesn't ultimately matter, /etc/rc.local | 12:37 |
| mhb | manchicken: seen that link? | 12:38 |
| nosrednaekim | crimsun: k, thanks | 12:38 |
| crimsun | nosrednaekim: revision 7 is suitable for testing | 12:39 |
| nosrednaekim | crimsun: i'll give it a spin, got a link? | 12:40 |
| crimsun | nosrednaekim: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~motu/asoundconf-ui/trunk/files | 12:41 |
| nosrednaekim | ok | 12:42 |
| nosrednaekim | I just need asoundconf-ui and displayqt.py right? | 12:42 |
| crimsun | right | 12:43 |
| crimsun | meaning asoundconfgui for the former | 12:43 |
| nosrednaekim | right. | 12:44 |
| crimsun | `python asoundconfgui --ui=qt3` | 12:44 |
| crimsun | oh, this is for current gutsy, BTW. | 12:45 |
| nosrednaekim | crimsun: well on fiesty right now, should work. | 12:46 |
| crimsun | yep, it should. | 12:47 |
| crimsun | as with any alsa-lib conf change, changes are effective only upon alsa app restart. | 12:47 |
| nosrednaekim | goves me this : asoundconfgui: error: Unknown UI option | 12:47 |
| nosrednaekim | when I run that command you gave me. | 12:47 |
| nosrednaekim | oh wait.. NM | 12:48 |
| nosrednaekim | yep, it works.. | 12:48 |
| nosrednaekim | :) | 12:48 |
| nosrednaekim | I was doing qt instead of qt3 | 12:48 |
| crimsun | I guess I could make qt act as qt3 and require people to use qt4 explicitly | 12:49 |
| crimsun | I'd rather retain the unambiguous parameter, though | 12:49 |
| nosrednaekim | don't worry about it... | 12:50 |
| nosrednaekim | how about an automatic check? | 12:50 |
| crimsun | what does "automatic" mean there? | 12:50 |
| nosrednaekim | I mean try importing qt3, and if it fails, switch to qt4 mode. | 12:50 |
| crimsun | hmm. | 12:52 |
| crimsun | the correct --ui= will be used in the .desktop file | 12:52 |
| nosrednaekim | crimsun: ah ok, set by the packages of the distro I assume? | 12:52 |
| crimsun | yes | 12:52 |
| nosrednaekim | alright I have to go. good job! | 12:53 |
| mhb | good night | 12:53 |
| mhb | manchicken: see you later | 12:53 |
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| jjesse | evening | 01:41 |
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| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: | 06:33 |
| Hobbsee | heya | 06:34 |
| === DaSkreech waves and hugs his pillow | ||
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: poke | 06:35 |
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| Hobbsee | File: Kubuntu v7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Tribe 1 ISO | 07:04 |
| Hobbsee | Your email address: hobbsee@mailbolt.com | 07:04 |
| Hobbsee | URL: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-1/gutsy-desktop-i386.iso | 07:04 |
| Hobbsee | Your request has been stored and will be checked manually before being mirrored. You will be contacted via email when the local version is available. | 07:04 |
| Hobbsee | hooray! | 07:04 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: how do I break it to someone they just nuked their mac ? | 07:09 |
| Hobbsee | erm...not sure | 07:10 |
| DaSkreech | He installed ubuntu on his mac and is trying to boot back into the mac. | 07:10 |
| Hobbsee | fun | 07:11 |
| DaSkreech | The Mac hard drive reported 72 GB. df -h shows / taking up 72 GB | 07:11 |
| DaSkreech | Is the Mac DVD bootable? | 07:11 |
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| === DaSkreech gives Hobbsee first aid resucitation | ||
| nixternal | DaSkreech: if the DVD is a restore dvd it will | 07:14 |
| nixternal | otherwise if he doesn't have the restore disc(s), then he has to order them | 07:15 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: does it need a valid OSX partition ? | 07:15 |
| nixternal | I don't believe so | 07:15 |
| nixternal | it should do just like windows and create the default partition(s) | 07:15 |
| DaSkreech | ok | 07:16 |
| nixternal | hrmm, they say qt jambi is dual licensed, however I don't see a spot to grab the source other than a 30 day trial | 07:16 |
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| _marseillais_ | hi | 08:53 |
| _marseillais_ | is it normal for a debian package of a game (pokerth) that the binari location is /usr/game instead of /usr/bin ? | 08:55 |
| _marseillais_ | i'm upgrading this package, adding .desktop file, icon | 08:56 |
| crimsun | yes | 09:00 |
| crimsun | normally single-binary game packages install their executable to /usr/game/foo | 09:01 |
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| _marseillais_ | crimsun, thanks i didn't know that so i let it like that | 09:11 |
| _marseillais_ | :) | 09:11 |
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| === hunger patiently waits for knetworkmanager to become installable without removing ubuntu-desktop | ||
| === Hobbsee waits for imbrandon's VM to come up, to make kubuntu-desktop to be installable | ||
| imbrandon | ... | 09:55 |
| imbrandon | gah , hardware failure, btw Hobbsee its not a vm | 09:55 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:55 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: grrr. either way. | 09:56 |
| Hobbsee | last i knew, it was :P | 09:56 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: any chance you can upload kdemultimedia off there? | 09:59 |
| imbrandon | umm if i could get it booting yea | 10:09 |
| imbrandon | looks like i busted some ram | 10:09 |
| imbrandon | might be a few hours | 10:09 |
| imbrandon | ( till the store opens ) | 10:10 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: ah right. | 10:10 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: that's the only thing i need off there - assuming that you actaully had the home dirs on NFS or whatever. | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | but fair enough | 10:11 |
| imbrandon | ahh its in your /home , yea i have those on a seperate disk array | 10:12 |
| imbrandon | i can do that here in a few then | 10:12 |
| Hobbsee | it's in ~current | 10:12 |
| imbrandon | k | 10:12 |
| Hobbsee | make sure it's only that, and not amarok :) | 10:12 |
| Hobbsee | it's signed and whatnot - machine appeared to die while uploading. | 10:12 |
| imbrandon | hahah yea , i have amarok 1.4.6 ready just waiting for the "ok" on thursday | 10:12 |
| Hobbsee | oh you've done it too? | 10:13 |
| imbrandon | i normaly do yes :) | 10:13 |
| Hobbsee | i thought i did for the last one | 10:13 |
| imbrandon | i had it done 20 minutes after the email was sent | 10:13 |
| imbrandon | :) | 10:13 |
| Hobbsee | anyway, if you're going to do stuff like that, cna you please tell the mailing list, or the irc channel, or something, rather than just hiding in a corner? | 10:13 |
| Hobbsee | you cannot assume that you're the only person working on kubuntu. | 10:14 |
| imbrandon | you did some svn cherry picks a few uploads back yea | 10:14 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, i dont assume anything , and i did tell the list , wtf is your problem all the sudden ? | 10:14 |
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| imbrandon | later :( | 10:15 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: i just hate duplicating work. | 10:15 |
| imbrandon | whatever | 10:15 |
| === Hobbsee looks. which list. | ||
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| Hobbsee | grrrr. | 10:15 |
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| Hobbsee | if anyone's going to do a upgrade of a major kde component, please make sure you actually mention something, somewhere, so it doesnt get allocated to anyone else. | 10:24 |
| Hobbsee | there's far too much stuff to get done that we can afford to duplicate work. | 10:29 |
| mhb | one of the problems of having no maintainers for packages, I guess | 10:39 |
| Hobbsee | more inactive maintainers | 10:39 |
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| Hobbsee | Zerlinna!!! | 10:46 |
| Zerlinna | morning Hobbsee :) | 10:47 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 10:47 |
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| Tonio_ | hey$ | 10:52 |
| Hobbsee | hiya Tonio_ | 10:53 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: if you could check out what's just hit the mailing list, and give it some thought, that'd be cool :) | 10:55 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: which ml ? | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: kubuntu-devel@ | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i dont particularly demand a response now - but it's something that we do need to look at, think about, and create guidelines for how we work as a team. | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | before we get too many more people | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: the fsview thing ? | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: it should be hidden, that's a problem with the desktop file | 11:00 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: no - Collaboration in Kubuntu | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: hum I don't have this one, let me check | 11:02 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: it's only just been sent, so... | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | hum okay now it is | 11:02 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-June/001778.html | 11:02 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: which package duplication did we have ? | 11:02 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: amarok | 11:02 |
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| Hobbsee | hiya Riddell | 11:23 |
| Riddell | mmm | 11:23 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: it's a bit of a pain, as we cant release it earlier than the 21st, and cant make it public knowledges taht there are packages for it | 11:24 |
| Tonio_ | yo Riddell | 11:24 |
| === Hobbsee has this sneaking suspicion that imbradon wont actually upload what she asked him to | ||
| === Hobbsee cant actually get it now, as the machine died. | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i come with a mission. it is your choice to either accept it, or run away and hide. | 11:27 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-June/001778.html | 11:27 |
| Hobbsee | as we need to solve this. | 11:29 |
| Riddell | sorry, I've just had my tooth drilled out, give me some time to work through these painkillers | 11:38 |
| Hobbsee | hehe, no problem | 11:39 |
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| Jucato | I might have mine too on wednesday... choosing between a root canal and a plain removal :/ | 11:44 |
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| Jucato | heh :) | 11:46 |
| === Jucato is out for a break... | ||
| Jucato | Hobbsee: would you mind keeping an eye on tmbg and sivaji in #kubuntu... I don't like the direction the conversation has been going... | 11:47 |
| === Jucato is out for a while | ||
| Hobbsee | oh not that...guy...again | 11:47 |
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| Tonio_ | mbiebl: ping ? | 11:54 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl: just finished the n-m packages, as we discussed yesterday$ | 11:54 |
| mbiebl | Tonio_: Hi | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl: I wanted to know how did you workarround the libnl build issue ? | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl: if you had it ;) | 11:55 |
| mbiebl | I have a small patch for now. | 11:55 |
| mbiebl | Which include linux/types.h | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl: if I do that, I have a second error, missing __u64 types | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl: so I have to do this : | 11:57 |
| mbiebl | Do you have amd64? | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/104 | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl: nope but even with the patch the build fails on i386 | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl: that patch is ugly but helps building | 11:57 |
| mbiebl | Interesting, it works for me ;-) | 11:57 |
| mbiebl | I have i386 too | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | hum...... weird | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl: looks like an issue with the libnl in fact | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl: the point is that second patch results a build issue on ia64 | 11:58 |
| gnomefreak | who is debian maintainer of kxdocker? | 11:59 |
| mbiebl | Yeah, it's an issue within libnl. Upstream is also aware of it. | 11:59 |
| mbiebl | I guess you read the knm m-l? | 11:59 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl: yes I do | 12:01 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl: to point is that fixing this can be long, so I'm just searching for the better workarround, as the current is not perfect | 12:02 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl: ftbfs on ia64 is not as important as on i386, of course, but I'd like it to build correctly at least on each arch we use | 12:02 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl: I may have the solution concerning the libnl, but that's a hudge patch to make | 12:03 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl: pitti has the key of the problem in fact | 12:03 |
| Tonio_ | I'll try to get that fixed soon | 12:03 |
| mbiebl | Ok. | 12:03 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl: the strange thing is that you don't have the __u64 missing issue while building on i386 ? | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | that, I don't understand | 12:04 |
| mbiebl | that indeed is strange. | 12:05 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl: probably a difference between the debian and the ubuntu kernel headers I guess | 12:06 |
| Tonio_ | I should ping benc concerning this | 12:07 |
| mbiebl | Could be. | 12:07 |
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| mbiebl | #if defined(__GNUC__) && !defined(__STRICT_ANSI__) | 12:08 |
| mbiebl | typedef __u64 uint64_t; | 12:08 |
| mbiebl | typedef __u64 u_int64_t; | 12:08 |
| mbiebl | typedef __s64 int64_t; | 12:08 |
| mbiebl | #endif | 12:08 |
| mbiebl | That's in linux/types.h on Debian | 12:08 |
| mbiebl | So maybe, you just use different compile flags then? strict-ansi? | 12:08 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: started putting things into bzr. | 12:15 |
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| _StefanS_ | hi there | 12:16 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbs and Riddell, Tonio_ and all | 12:17 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato :) | 12:17 |
| _StefanS_ | oh my, so many people | 12:17 |
| Hobbsee | hiya _StefanS_ | 12:17 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: hello! :) | 12:17 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: hello ! | 12:18 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: you know the trouble of greeting people by name? The folks you did not mention will hate you for eternity ... well, at least for the afternoon :o) | 12:18 |
| _StefanS_ | urgh sorry | 12:18 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: hi! | 12:18 |
| _StefanS_ | hi all is better I think :) | 12:19 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: did you get anyone to help with that dpkg reconfigure -a check? | 12:19 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: Just kidding :o) No, nobody responded yet. | 12:21 |
| Tonio_ | hi _StefanS_ | 12:21 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: are you sure it isnt just a lockfile or something it looks for? | 12:22 |
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| mhb | _StefanS_: the thing is, apt-get is smarter than adept in this manner | 12:23 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: in many cases, the lockfile is locked | 12:23 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: you can get that if you run multiple package manager at the same time, or if you kill dpkg | 12:24 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: but apt-get is able to recognize whether you killed dpkg or you just have more package managers running | 12:24 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: adept can't do that yet. If it could, we would be able to fix the dpkg lock by running "dpkg --configure -a". | 12:25 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: sorry was on the phone.. reading.. | 12:33 |
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| _StefanS_ | mhb: sounds easy enough since the code is already there, unfortunately I dont have time right now, but maybe in the evening | 12:37 |
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| mhb | _StefanS_: that would be seriously cool | 01:43 |
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| nosrednaekim | whats up this morning? | 02:17 |
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| === Hobbsee continues uploading bits of kde into bzr | ||
| mhb | nosrednaekim: a nice mail from keybuk in the ubuntu-devel-announce | 02:42 |
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| _marseillais_ | ScottK, gpocentek told me you are the one i need to talk for python problems. do you have some time? | 02:56 |
| nosrednaekim | is that a channel or a mailing list? | 02:57 |
| _marseillais_ | mailing list | 02:57 |
| nosrednaekim | _marseillais_: I know some python, whats your problem? | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | nosrednaekim: anything without a # in front of it is usually a mailing list | 02:58 |
| _marseillais_ | nosrednaekim, i would like to have a little revu on one of my packages because no one know if it is ok or not | 02:59 |
| nosrednaekim | _marseillais_: oh. well I can't do that. | 02:59 |
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| manchicken | Anybody know of a way to verify a CD has a particular ISO on it with k3b? | 03:32 |
| manchicken | Can one just md5sum /dev/cdrom? | 03:34 |
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| fdoving | ls | 04:15 |
| fdoving | ops. | 04:15 |
| === hunger twiddles, waiting for knetworkmanager and apt to become installable. | ||
| Hobbsee | knetworkmanager is installable, isnt it? | 04:17 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: Basically yes, but it kicks ubuntu-desktop from the system. | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | oh, u-d | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | then yeah | 04:18 |
| hunger | The gnomes have not yet fixed their stuff or so it seems. | 04:19 |
| === hunger would love to see ZFS support in ubuntu... | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: amarok is dying on me. | 04:28 |
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| mhb | hunger: sun executives would not | 04:31 |
| fdoving | Hobbsee: again, great initiative bzr and all. :) | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: thanks. still not sure how much i should have pushed | 04:37 |
| fdoving | i can't see any disadvantages, except everyone must commit their changes. but then i'm a fan of revision control in every way possible. | 04:38 |
| fdoving | Hobbsee: if you want a nice get-orig-source most alioth packages have a nice one. for example mailody. | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | right | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: it's more the "i havent had the motivation to do it yet, just figured i'd get it started" | 04:40 |
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| Hobbsee | fdoving: there we go. https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/ | 04:48 |
| fdoving | Hobbsee: nice. :) | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | it's a WIP, and iv'e done enough for tonight | 04:49 |
| fdoving | Hobbsee: now let's hope people actually update that and use it. | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | and amarok hates me | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: this is true. | 04:49 |
| hunger | mhb: FUSE to the rescue: http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2007/061807-zfs-on-linux.html | 04:50 |
| mhb | hunger: I know about this. Do you think it will get into Ubuntu, considering ZFS is patented to the top? | 04:52 |
| hunger | mhb: Why not... patents are no concern in e.g. europe at this time. | 04:53 |
| mhb | hunger: sure, but they are in the U.S. And we want to get Ubuntu in the U.S., don't we? :o) | 04:54 |
| hunger | mhb: Why should anybody want that? | 04:56 |
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| === ScottK certainly does. | ||
| _marseillais_ | hunger, wait for oracle FS | 05:04 |
| _marseillais_ | it should rox | 05:04 |
| _marseillais_ | http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/06/14/btrfs-a-new-file-system-for-linux-from-oracle/ | 05:09 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: akode is compiled ok now | 05:16 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yay, thanks. what was the 64bit fix? | 05:17 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: debian had a patch | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | right. i suck. | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | (for nto checking) | 05:18 |
| fdoving | quilt is so powerfull. | 05:19 |
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| Riddell | fdoving: in what way? | 05:20 |
| fdoving | Riddell: it re-generates patches based on what you change, you can pop patches of the stack, etc. | 05:21 |
| fdoving | http://www.suse.de/~agruen/quilt.pdf | 05:21 |
| Riddell | how is that different from cdbs-edit-patch? | 05:21 |
| fdoving | you can't refresh patches there, can you? | 05:21 |
| fdoving | say i remove patch kubuntu_01_somemagic.diff, and want kubuntu_02_othervoodoo.diff to be updated to still apply cleanly. | 05:22 |
| Riddell | you do cdbs-edit-patch patchname it brings up a temporary shell where you edit the files and it makes he .diff when you exit the shell | 05:22 |
| fdoving | yeah, but this is automated in more ways with quilt. | 05:23 |
| fdoving | you "add" files th patches, more in a svn/bzr way. | 05:23 |
| fdoving | then make changes to the file, and run 'quilt refresh' to make the patch. | 05:23 |
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| gnomefreak | all adept stuff is being removed, im assuming due to poppler libs, maybe just a respin? | 05:59 |
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| Riddell | ? | 06:01 |
| Riddell | adept shouldn't need poppler | 06:01 |
| gnomefreak | libarts than? | 06:01 |
| Tm_T | gnomefreak: yu | 06:02 |
| Tm_T | well, most of KDE is dependent on libarts unless you give --noarts | 06:02 |
| gnomefreak | http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/576681 | 06:02 |
| Riddell | are you on amd64? | 06:02 |
| gnomefreak | 386 | 06:03 |
| nixternal | gnomefreak: it is apt that is removing adept | 06:10 |
| nixternal | don't do a dist-upgrade, just do an upgrade | 06:10 |
| nixternal | it will hold back apt and keep your adept | 06:10 |
| gnomefreak | why would apt remove it | 06:10 |
| nixternal | cuz someone packaged it not thinking maybe? | 06:10 |
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| nixternal | either it has a replaces or conflicts in there maybe, or there could be something in the adept package | 06:11 |
| gnomefreak | adept depends on apt (guess that makes sence) | 06:11 |
| nixternal | you think? :) | 06:11 |
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| nixternal | hrmm, I wonder if it is because the apt update removes the old apt first? | 06:16 |
| gnomefreak | nixternal: im asking mvo | 06:17 |
| nixternal | rock on with your badself | 06:17 |
| gnomefreak | adept == failed to build | 06:17 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 06:17 |
| gnomefreak | he hasnt had time to look into it yet | 06:18 |
| === nixternal looks | ||
| gnomefreak | see -bugs for his comments | 06:18 |
| nixternal | hrmm, looks like apt ftb | 06:19 |
| nixternal | oh, ftb for him, that is why I don't see it in the build logs | 06:19 |
| gnomefreak | yes | 06:19 |
| nixternal | time for sKool | 06:23 |
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| Tm_T | sir is multiplying | 07:21 |
| Lure | Riddelll: ping | 07:22 |
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| Riddelll | hi Lure | 07:23 |
| Lure | Riddelll: debian is asking what have we changed in kde that we do not need .la files for libgphoto plugins to load properly | 07:24 |
| Lure | Riddelll: this is only change that we are different then debian and they would like to fix it in debian | 07:24 |
| === Lure has forwarded you the email | ||
| Riddelll | Lure: I have to say I've no idea | 07:25 |
| Lure | :-( | 07:25 |
| Riddelll | you might be better to ask doko, he'd know more about loading stuff | 07:26 |
| Lure | Riddelll: will try, or allee who did the digikam change | 07:26 |
| Lure | allee: ^^^ | 07:29 |
| allee | Hi! | 07:29 |
| === allee had right now looking into bzr and lauchpad :) | ||
| allee | Lure: In not sure what's different. I've never looked at kdelibs and pkgs diff compared to debian | 07:30 |
| Lure | allee: ok, we may need to ask doko then... | 07:31 |
| allee | Lure, Riddelll in one related report in b.k.o there a auto* patch to include .so extention. Maybe kubuntu uses it by default? | 07:31 |
| === allee searches for the report ... | ||
| Riddelll | maybe, although I don't recall doing so | 07:32 |
| Lure | allee: yes, that could be it... | 07:32 |
| allee | Lure: yeah, I also remember this problem some years ago. and the proposed fix ring somehow a bell. I've asked several time on #debian-qt-kde to try it, as I was not motifated enough to setup sid env and build stuff | 07:33 |
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| allee | Lute: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390703 and proposed fix in http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125696#c31 | 07:37 |
| ubotu | KDE bug 125696 in Camera GUI "digikam does not connect to USB camera with libgphoto-2.1.99" [Normal,New] | 07:37 |
| allee | Riddelll: can you check kdelibs for LTDL_SHLIB_EXT? I'm sure you have a build lying around :) | 07:38 |
| Riddelll | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26299/ | 07:39 |
| manchicken_ | Who do I send a postgresql-contrib patch to? | 07:39 |
| Riddelll | manchicken_: packaging patch? | 07:40 |
| manchicken_ | Well, I just patched the tsearch2() trigger function so that it's compatible with domains. | 07:40 |
| Riddelll | is it a patch for upstream or for ubuntu? | 07:41 |
| manchicken_ | Both :) | 07:42 |
| Riddelll | in ubuntu I'd recommend the ubuntu-server mailing list | 07:42 |
| Riddelll | and upstream probably have a postgres-devel list or similar | 07:42 |
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| Lure | allee: do not understand where we are different here... :-( | 07:52 |
| Lure | allee: are we sure that it works in ubuntu? ;-) | 07:52 |
| allee | Riddell, Lure: Maybe coolo is the man to ask. a) why there a own ltdl in kde b) is Marcus proposed patch is 'save' | 07:52 |
| allee | Lure: yeah, looks like kubuntu does not use the extention. | 07:53 |
| Lure | allee: problem is I would like to understand first why we are different (if we are) | 07:53 |
| manchicken_ | Is there a program that can turn an ISO into a directory structure? | 07:54 |
| allee | Lure: at the end of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390703 Marcus mentions a lib ltdl conflict too, argl | 07:54 |
| Lure | allee: exactly, but I do not see anywhere that we would drop kde's ltdl... | 07:55 |
| allee | Lure: have you a kdegraphics build lying around? maybe the kamera/Makefile uncovers it why kamera is working in debian | 07:55 |
| allee | Lure: maybe we should ping Mark, he's at debconf and has time and experts around him. | 07:58 |
| === allee wishes Msg would be more often in #debian-qt-kde | ||
| === Lure downloads kde-graphics | ||
| Lure | allee: nothing special in kamera Makefile... | 08:11 |
| Lure | allee: difference is that kdegraphics depends on libgphoto-dev (same as digikam in debian) | 08:13 |
| Lure | allee: it may be something on ubuntu that prevents kdecore version of ltdl to get activated in runtime?! | 08:13 |
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| allee | Lure: did you compare the kamera Makefile generated in a debian and kubuntu environement? | 08:16 |
| Lure | allee: no | 08:16 |
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| Lure | allee: just reviewed the kubuntu patches + Makefile | 08:17 |
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| allee | Lure: I wonder if e.g. GPHOTO* var are different (wild guess of course) but $(GPHOTO2_LIBS) is used with LDFLAGS in digikam in LIBADD | 08:20 |
| manchicken_ | sabdfl has made me a very happy man. | 08:27 |
| manchicken_ | Application Trends quoted him saying something that I was pleased to read. | 08:28 |
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| manchicken | Did anybody else get a survey from Exeter University about their Free Software contributions? | 08:52 |
| manchicken | It looks like the sort of thing folks would be receiving en masse. | 08:53 |
| manchicken | cindy: I'm gonna put up the profiles page for the meeting. | 08:56 |
| manchicken | I'll pull it down again afterwards. | 08:56 |
| nosrednaekim | manchicken: there is a meeting? | 08:57 |
| manchicken | ack, wrong thing. | 08:57 |
| manchicken | Damnit. | 08:57 |
| manchicken | Sorry about that. | 08:57 |
| marseillai | Riddelll: does kdelibs build with --enable-fast-malloc ?? | 09:29 |
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| Riddell | marseillai: nope | 10:36 |
| marseillai | oki | 10:38 |
| marseillai | thanks | 10:38 |
| marseillai | does someone know how to connect myself to revu with my @ubuntu.com mail instead of my @gmail.com mail | 10:39 |
| Riddell | connect in which way? | 10:39 |
| marseillai | to post comment on upload i done with my ubuntu.com adress | 10:39 |
| marseillai | i've upload this : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5634 wich should go to archive before there is no improvment but i can't do any comment | 10:40 |
| Riddell | ask siretart | 10:41 |
| ScottK | marseillai: Is you ubuntu.com address in the pgp key you have on LP? | 10:41 |
| ScottK | marseillai: I can archive the upload if you want? | 10:42 |
| marseillai | ScottK: yes it is in my pgp | 10:42 |
| marseillai | ScottK: yes you can archive it | 10:42 |
| marseillai | ScottK: and if you have a little time could you take a look at one of my package? | 10:43 |
| ScottK | OK. I'll do that. Dunno what to tell you then about logging in other than the advice Riddell gave you already. | 10:43 |
| ScottK | marseillai: I can give it a quick once over, but not a detailed review. | 10:43 |
| ScottK | marseillai: Archived. | 10:44 |
| gnomefreak | marseillai: sign package with ubuntu.com address i wouuld think | 10:44 |
| marseillai | ScottK: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5533 it's pykde but gpocentek told me he doesn't know if it is ok | 10:45 |
| marseillai | thanks ScottK | 10:45 |
| marseillai | gnomefreak: allready done | 10:45 |
| marseillai | but it seems to not be enough | 10:46 |
| ScottK | marseillai: I'll take a look, but I'm pretty new as a MOTU, so no guarantee I'll feel confident either. | 10:46 |
| gnomefreak | Riddell: if i wanted to build adept to fix the apt | adept conflict is there something that should be in changelog? like respun due to apt conflict? | 10:46 |
| marseillai | ScottK: oki just to have your opinion about this package | 10:46 |
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| gnomefreak | ScottK: you can do it!!! | 10:47 |
| _StefanS_ | hi all | 10:47 |
| ScottK | Hi _StefanS_ | 10:48 |
| ScottK | marseillai: This is a Python application, right? Why do you not use python-support or python-central? | 10:48 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: hi there | 10:49 |
| _StefanS_ | hi mhb | 10:49 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: isn't apt-get in the apt package? | 10:50 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: or maybe its dpkg.. | 10:50 |
| gnomefreak | _StefanS_: different packages adept uses apt as in code part states use apt to get packages use dpkg to install | 10:51 |
| marseillai | ScottK: because tonio told me there is no need for it | 10:51 |
| _StefanS_ | gnomefreak: thanks | 10:51 |
| ScottK | marseillai: OK. I'd have to build the package to see if it puts all the files in the right place. | 10:52 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: I will try to look at it now | 10:52 |
| ScottK | Other than that, it looks good. | 10:52 |
| marseillai | ScottK: all the files have to be in the same directory | 10:52 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: apt has the binary, though | 10:52 |
| marseillai | I install them with debian/install ... | 10:52 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: ./apt.list:/usr/bin/apt-get | 10:52 |
| gnomefreak | afaik adept is just a frontend for apt as is synaptic | 10:53 |
| gnomefreak | apt/dpkg | 10:53 |
| ScottK | marseillai: OK. I'm looking at that. I also notice there's no depence on Python. What versions of Python will this work with? | 10:54 |
| _StefanS_ | Fetched 5634kB in 3s (1772kB/s).. nice | 10:54 |
| ScottK | marseillai: Python policy (para 3.1) specifies a requirement for a python depends (versioned if necessary). | 10:55 |
| marseillai | ScottK: oki i'll re work on it and forget tonio advices! ;) | 10:55 |
| ScottK | marseillai: I'm not saying you need python-support or python-central, just that you need to depend on python. | 10:56 |
| marseillai | pykde is not enough ? | 10:56 |
| ScottK | No | 10:56 |
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| ScottK | The other thing you need to make sure of is that you are not shipping byte-compiled code in your source package and are compiling it at install time. See http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ch-module_packages.html#s-bytecompilation | 10:58 |
| ScottK | marseillai: I suspect that without python-support or python-central you aren't doing the byte compilation at/post install. This will work as long as you are running the same arch as the source package was built under, but as soon as someone uses a different arch, it won't work. | 10:59 |
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| marseillai | oki | 11:00 |
| ScottK | As long as you meed the policy requirements, there's no requirement to use specific tools such as python-support or python-central, but IME it's a lot easier if you do. | 11:00 |
| marseillai | i'll redo my package ScottK | 11:00 |
| marseillai | thanks | 11:00 |
| Lure | Riddelll: somebody needs to rebuild adept, debtags and language-selector-qt with new apt | 11:01 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: apt-get just checks /var/lib/dpkg/updates/ to see if there are files the contain only digits. That means dpkg process was interrupted. | 11:03 |
| gnomefreak | Lure: i will build adept i just want to know policy for changelog entry for it | 11:03 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: and you gotta issue dpkg configure -a | 11:04 |
| ScottK | marseillai: No problem. | 11:05 |
| gnomefreak | Lure: something like "rebuilt against latest apt version" | 11:07 |
| gnomefreak | ? | 11:07 |
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| mhb | _StefanS_: is that it? | 11:08 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: yups. | 11:08 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: are you able to port the code to adept? | 11:09 |
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| _StefanS_ | mhb: shouldn't be a problem | 11:09 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: I have a 8kB line now, so I'm pretty limited :o) | 11:09 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: ick! 8kb.. thats bad :) | 11:10 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: you can borrow my grps phone, it will probably be faster :D | 11:10 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: maybe I can look at it during the weekend or something.. | 11:11 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: if you won't make it now (:o) , then okay | 11:12 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: well I was planning to sleep something before heading to work tomorrow :) | 11:13 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: what adept version should i be putting it into ? the one from the current gutsy ? | 11:13 |
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