[12:15] ? [12:16] Isn't it past your bedtime? [12:17] I havn't achieved my achiement quota for today [12:18] manchicken: it is, but his computer does a very loud scream whenever you mention his name on IRC :o) [12:18] although I do have a dentist appointment tomorrow morning so I suppose I can't stay up too late === nosrednaekim [n=michael@05-049.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:22] Nice. [12:24] Damnit, this latest kernel update hosed my sound again. [12:24] manchicken: I heard about that. [12:25] I hate it when people say something about sound and don't provide any details. [12:26] I have a trigger on "sound", and it's really frickin annoying to read awaylog and find nothing to help debug. [12:26] hey crimsun! did you get that hint from fdoving? [12:26] nosrednaekim: I read it, but it violates my UI. [12:27] crimsun: what? [12:27] Apply semantically does not mean Apply this and close the window - at least from what you tell me in existing KDE 3 apps. [12:27] crimsun: right, well that was for if you were still doing the close button [12:27] if the majority of existing KDE 3 apps do not have one, then I'm hesitant to deviate. [12:29] right. is it all working? I found something interesting from it. I actually have two sound chips. [12:29] manchicken: i.e., "hosed my sound" is insufficient. Tell me the output from http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh [12:29] crimsun: I'm still trying to verify that it's the kernel update :) [12:30] nosrednaekim: yes, I'm about to push out another update before I begin the PyQt4 portion. [12:30] manchicken: if you have the hda-intel driver, I've been hearing bad things about the latest kernel update [12:30] it depends on your HDA codec. [12:30] crimsun: I'm getting a lot of errors from your script. [12:31] what sort? [12:31] it requires bash and should say so in the shebang. [12:31] This sort: /home/manchicken/bin/alsa-info.sh: 190: [[: not found [12:31] it's not my script, though I had significant input into it. We work on it in #alsa. [12:32] Ah, damnit. [12:32] It's dash [12:32] That's what was killing it. [12:32] crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/575234 [12:32] manchicken: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-June/001777.html [12:33] crimsun: Hopefully that helps :) [12:34] I've gotta take off. [12:35] that's definitely not an HDA codec [12:35] I mean, it is kinda humorous that 'Master' is muted [12:36] it's also quite possible that you need 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA' set to 0 and 'External Amplifier' muted [12:37] i'm sorry, quick question, where do you put commands that you want to run on boot? [12:37] depends when you want them executed. [12:37] if it doesn't ultimately matter, /etc/rc.local [12:38] manchicken: seen that link? [12:38] crimsun: k, thanks [12:39] nosrednaekim: revision 7 is suitable for testing [12:40] crimsun: i'll give it a spin, got a link? [12:41] nosrednaekim: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~motu/asoundconf-ui/trunk/files [12:42] ok [12:42] I just need asoundconf-ui and displayqt.py right? [12:43] right [12:43] meaning asoundconfgui for the former [12:44] right. [12:44] `python asoundconfgui --ui=qt3` [12:45] oh, this is for current gutsy, BTW. [12:46] crimsun: well on fiesty right now, should work. [12:47] yep, it should. [12:47] as with any alsa-lib conf change, changes are effective only upon alsa app restart. [12:47] goves me this : asoundconfgui: error: Unknown UI option [12:47] when I run that command you gave me. [12:48] oh wait.. NM [12:48] yep, it works.. [12:48] :) [12:48] I was doing qt instead of qt3 [12:49] I guess I could make qt act as qt3 and require people to use qt4 explicitly [12:49] I'd rather retain the unambiguous parameter, though [12:50] don't worry about it... [12:50] how about an automatic check? [12:50] what does "automatic" mean there? [12:50] I mean try importing qt3, and if it fails, switch to qt4 mode. [12:52] hmm. [12:52] the correct --ui= will be used in the .desktop file [12:52] crimsun: ah ok, set by the packages of the distro I assume? [12:52] yes [12:53] alright I have to go. good job! 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You will be contacted via email when the local version is available. [07:04] hooray! [07:09] Hobbsee: how do I break it to someone they just nuked their mac ? [07:10] erm...not sure [07:10] He installed ubuntu on his mac and is trying to boot back into the mac. [07:11] fun [07:11] The Mac hard drive reported 72 GB. df -h shows / taking up 72 GB [07:11] Is the Mac DVD bootable? === Hobbsee dies at #ubuntu+1 === DaSkreech gives Hobbsee first aid resucitation [07:14] DaSkreech: if the DVD is a restore dvd it will [07:15] otherwise if he doesn't have the restore disc(s), then he has to order them [07:15] nixternal: does it need a valid OSX partition ? [07:15] I don't believe so [07:15] it should do just like windows and create the default partition(s) [07:16] ok [07:16] hrmm, they say qt jambi is dual licensed, however I don't see a spot to grab the source other than a 30 day trial === hunger_t is now known as hunger === huahua [n=huahua@60.20.61.177] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D13F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _marseillais [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb [n=martin@ubuntu/member/mhb] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _marseillais_ [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:53] <_marseillais_> hi [08:55] <_marseillais_> is it normal for a debian package of a game (pokerth) that the binari location is /usr/game instead of /usr/bin ? [08:56] <_marseillais_> i'm upgrading this package, adding .desktop file, icon [09:00] yes [09:01] normally single-binary game packages install their executable to /usr/game/foo === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === morn|eri [i=mornfall@wireless-168.fi.muni.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:11] <_marseillais_> crimsun, thanks i didn't know that so i let it like that [09:11] <_marseillais_> :) === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.106.115] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger patiently waits for knetworkmanager to become installable without removing ubuntu-desktop === Hobbsee waits for imbrandon's VM to come up, to make kubuntu-desktop to be installable [09:55] ... [09:55] gah , hardware failure, btw Hobbsee its not a vm [09:55] hehe [09:56] imbrandon: grrr. either way. [09:56] last i knew, it was :P [09:59] imbrandon: any chance you can upload kdemultimedia off there? [10:09] umm if i could get it booting yea [10:09] looks like i busted some ram [10:09] might be a few hours [10:10] ( till the store opens ) [10:10] imbrandon: ah right. [10:11] imbrandon: that's the only thing i need off there - assuming that you actaully had the home dirs on NFS or whatever. [10:11] but fair enough [10:12] ahh its in your /home , yea i have those on a seperate disk array [10:12] i can do that here in a few then [10:12] it's in ~current [10:12] k [10:12] make sure it's only that, and not amarok :) [10:12] it's signed and whatnot - machine appeared to die while uploading. [10:12] hahah yea , i have amarok 1.4.6 ready just waiting for the "ok" on thursday [10:13] oh you've done it too? [10:13] i normaly do yes :) [10:13] i thought i did for the last one [10:13] i had it done 20 minutes after the email was sent [10:13] :) [10:13] anyway, if you're going to do stuff like that, cna you please tell the mailing list, or the irc channel, or something, rather than just hiding in a corner? [10:14] you cannot assume that you're the only person working on kubuntu. [10:14] you did some svn cherry picks a few uploads back yea [10:14] Hobbsee, i dont assume anything , and i did tell the list , wtf is your problem all the sudden ? === imbrandon goes back to something else [10:15] later :( [10:15] imbrandon: i just hate duplicating work. [10:15] whatever === Hobbsee looks. which list. === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [10:15] grrrr. === meven [n=meven@ARennes-357-1-116-226.w90-12.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:24] if anyone's going to do a upgrade of a major kde component, please make sure you actually mention something, somewhere, so it doesnt get allocated to anyone else. [10:29] there's far too much stuff to get done that we can afford to duplicate work. [10:39] one of the problems of having no maintainers for packages, I guess [10:39] more inactive maintainers === Hobbsee thoguth he'd left ubuntu or something - or was too busy again === Zerlinna [n=mirjam@C2946.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:46] Zerlinna!!! [10:47] morning Hobbsee :) [10:47] :) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:52] hey$ [10:53] hiya Tonio_ [10:55] Tonio_: if you could check out what's just hit the mailing list, and give it some thought, that'd be cool :) [10:59] Hobbsee: which ml ? [10:59] Tonio_: kubuntu-devel@ [10:59] Tonio_: i dont particularly demand a response now - but it's something that we do need to look at, think about, and create guidelines for how we work as a team. [11:00] before we get too many more people [11:00] Hobbsee: the fsview thing ? [11:00] Hobbsee: it should be hidden, that's a problem with the desktop file [11:01] Tonio_: no - Collaboration in Kubuntu [11:02] Hobbsee: hum I don't have this one, let me check [11:02] Tonio_: it's only just been sent, so... [11:02] hum okay now it is [11:02] Tonio_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-June/001778.html [11:02] :) [11:02] hehe [11:02] Hobbsee: which package duplication did we have ? [11:02] Tonio_: amarok === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F0CBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:23] hiya Riddell [11:23] mmm [11:24] Tonio_: it's a bit of a pain, as we cant release it earlier than the 21st, and cant make it public knowledges taht there are packages for it [11:24] yo Riddell === Hobbsee has this sneaking suspicion that imbradon wont actually upload what she asked him to === Hobbsee cant actually get it now, as the machine died. [11:27] Riddell: i come with a mission. it is your choice to either accept it, or run away and hide. [11:27] Riddell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-June/001778.html [11:29] as we need to solve this. [11:38] sorry, I've just had my tooth drilled out, give me some time to work through these painkillers [11:39] hehe, no problem === mbiebl [i=michael@conference/debconf/x-0852275bdad96bc3] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:44] I might have mine too on wednesday... choosing between a root canal and a plain removal :/ === Hobbsee is avoiding dentists === Hobbsee is eating too much chocolate to be healthy [11:46] heh :) === Jucato is out for a break... [11:47] Hobbsee: would you mind keeping an eye on tmbg and sivaji in #kubuntu... I don't like the direction the conversation has been going... === Jucato is out for a while [11:47] oh not that...guy...again === morn|eri [i=mornfall@wireless-168.fi.muni.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:54] mbiebl: ping ? [11:54] mbiebl: just finished the n-m packages, as we discussed yesterday$ [11:55] Tonio_: Hi [11:55] mbiebl: I wanted to know how did you workarround the libnl build issue ? [11:55] mbiebl: if you had it ;) [11:55] I have a small patch for now. [11:56] Which include linux/types.h [11:56] mbiebl: if I do that, I have a second error, missing __u64 types [11:57] mbiebl: so I have to do this : [11:57] Do you have amd64? [11:57] http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/104 [11:57] mbiebl: nope but even with the patch the build fails on i386 [11:57] mbiebl: that patch is ugly but helps building [11:57] Interesting, it works for me ;-) [11:57] I have i386 too [11:57] hum...... weird [11:58] mbiebl: looks like an issue with the libnl in fact [11:58] mbiebl: the point is that second patch results a build issue on ia64 [11:59] who is debian maintainer of kxdocker? [11:59] Yeah, it's an issue within libnl. Upstream is also aware of it. [11:59] I guess you read the knm m-l? [12:01] mbiebl: yes I do [12:02] mbiebl: to point is that fixing this can be long, so I'm just searching for the better workarround, as the current is not perfect [12:02] mbiebl: ftbfs on ia64 is not as important as on i386, of course, but I'd like it to build correctly at least on each arch we use [12:03] mbiebl: I may have the solution concerning the libnl, but that's a hudge patch to make [12:03] mbiebl: pitti has the key of the problem in fact [12:03] I'll try to get that fixed soon [12:03] Ok. [12:04] mbiebl: the strange thing is that you don't have the __u64 missing issue while building on i386 ? [12:04] that, I don't understand [12:05] that indeed is strange. [12:06] mbiebl: probably a difference between the debian and the ubuntu kernel headers I guess [12:07] I should ping benc concerning this [12:07] Could be. === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:08] #if defined(__GNUC__) && !defined(__STRICT_ANSI__) [12:08] typedef __u64 uint64_t; [12:08] typedef __u64 u_int64_t; [12:08] typedef __s64 int64_t; [12:08] #endif [12:08] That's in linux/types.h on Debian [12:08] So maybe, you just use different compile flags then? strict-ansi? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:15] Riddell: started putting things into bzr. === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:16] <_StefanS_> hi there [12:17] <_StefanS_> Hobbs and Riddell, Tonio_ and all [12:17] <_StefanS_> Jucato :) [12:17] <_StefanS_> oh my, so many people [12:17] hiya _StefanS_ [12:17] _StefanS_: hello! :) [12:18] <_StefanS_> Jucato: hello ! [12:18] _StefanS_: you know the trouble of greeting people by name? The folks you did not mention will hate you for eternity ... well, at least for the afternoon :o) [12:18] <_StefanS_> urgh sorry [12:18] <_StefanS_> mhb: hi! [12:19] <_StefanS_> hi all is better I think :) [12:19] <_StefanS_> mhb: did you get anyone to help with that dpkg reconfigure -a check? [12:21] _StefanS_: Just kidding :o) No, nobody responded yet. [12:21] hi _StefanS_ [12:22] <_StefanS_> mhb: are you sure it isnt just a lockfile or something it looks for? === IppatsuManXYZ [n=kvirc@213-140-19-123.fastres.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:23] _StefanS_: the thing is, apt-get is smarter than adept in this manner [12:23] _StefanS_: in many cases, the lockfile is locked [12:24] _StefanS_: you can get that if you run multiple package manager at the same time, or if you kill dpkg [12:24] _StefanS_: but apt-get is able to recognize whether you killed dpkg or you just have more package managers running [12:25] _StefanS_: adept can't do that yet. If it could, we would be able to fix the dpkg lock by running "dpkg --configure -a". [12:33] <_StefanS_> mhb: sorry was on the phone.. reading.. === aplg [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:37] <_StefanS_> mhb: sounds easy enough since the code is already there, unfortunately I dont have time right now, but maybe in the evening === morn|eri [i=mornfall@wireless-168.fi.muni.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-017-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54955D4A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=rbrunhub@p54977A70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-124.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-073.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:43] _StefanS_: that would be seriously cool === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D13F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-124.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:17] whats up this morning? === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db4475b.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee continues uploading bits of kde into bzr [02:42] nosrednaekim: a nice mail from keybuk in the ubuntu-devel-announce === aplg is now known as apachelogger [02:56] <_marseillais_> ScottK, gpocentek told me you are the one i need to talk for python problems. do you have some time? [02:57] is that a channel or a mailing list? [02:57] <_marseillais_> mailing list [02:58] _marseillais_: I know some python, whats your problem? [02:58] nosrednaekim: anything without a # in front of it is usually a mailing list [02:59] <_marseillais_> nosrednaekim, i would like to have a little revu on one of my packages because no one know if it is ok or not [02:59] _marseillais_: oh. well I can't do that. === morn|eri [i=mornfall@nat/redhat/x-5486fc741b8f0cc0] has joined #kubuntu-devel === meven_ [n=meven@ARennes-357-1-29-199.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-073.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F0CBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |sahin_w| [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:32] Anybody know of a way to verify a CD has a particular ISO on it with k3b? [03:34] Can one just md5sum /dev/cdrom? === robertknight [n=robert@81-179-128-74.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jonasp [i=jonas@i59F775ED.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kieran [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:15] ls [04:15] ops. === hunger twiddles, waiting for knetworkmanager and apt to become installable. [04:17] knetworkmanager is installable, isnt it? [04:18] Hobbsee: Basically yes, but it kicks ubuntu-desktop from the system. [04:18] oh, u-d [04:18] then yeah [04:19] The gnomes have not yet fixed their stuff or so it seems. === hunger would love to see ZFS support in ubuntu... [04:28] Riddell: amarok is dying on me. === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:31] hunger: sun executives would not [04:36] Hobbsee: again, great initiative bzr and all. :) [04:37] fdoving: thanks. still not sure how much i should have pushed [04:38] i can't see any disadvantages, except everyone must commit their changes. but then i'm a fan of revision control in every way possible. [04:39] Hobbsee: if you want a nice get-orig-source most alioth packages have a nice one. for example mailody. [04:40] right [04:40] fdoving: it's more the "i havent had the motivation to do it yet, just figured i'd get it started" === yuriy [n=yuriy@207-172-67-143.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:48] fdoving: there we go. https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/ [04:49] Hobbsee: nice. :) [04:49] it's a WIP, and iv'e done enough for tonight [04:49] Hobbsee: now let's hope people actually update that and use it. [04:49] and amarok hates me [04:49] fdoving: this is true. [04:50] mhb: FUSE to the rescue: http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2007/061807-zfs-on-linux.html [04:52] hunger: I know about this. Do you think it will get into Ubuntu, considering ZFS is patented to the top? [04:53] mhb: Why not... patents are no concern in e.g. europe at this time. [04:54] hunger: sure, but they are in the U.S. And we want to get Ubuntu in the U.S., don't we? :o) [04:56] mhb: Why should anybody want that? === mbiebl [i=michael@conference/debconf/x-345472ae62d4229a] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ScottK certainly does. [05:04] <_marseillais_> hunger, wait for oracle FS [05:04] <_marseillais_> it should rox [05:09] <_marseillais_> http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/06/14/btrfs-a-new-file-system-for-linux-from-oracle/ [05:16] Hobbsee: akode is compiled ok now [05:17] Riddell: yay, thanks. what was the 64bit fix? [05:17] Hobbsee: debian had a patch [05:17] right. i suck. [05:18] (for nto checking) [05:19] quilt is so powerfull. === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:20] fdoving: in what way? [05:21] Riddell: it re-generates patches based on what you change, you can pop patches of the stack, etc. [05:21] http://www.suse.de/~agruen/quilt.pdf [05:21] how is that different from cdbs-edit-patch? [05:21] you can't refresh patches there, can you? [05:22] say i remove patch kubuntu_01_somemagic.diff, and want kubuntu_02_othervoodoo.diff to be updated to still apply cleanly. [05:22] you do cdbs-edit-patch patchname it brings up a temporary shell where you edit the files and it makes he .diff when you exit the shell [05:23] yeah, but this is automated in more ways with quilt. [05:23] you "add" files th patches, more in a svn/bzr way. [05:23] then make changes to the file, and run 'quilt refresh' to make the patch. === |IppatsuMan| [n=IppatsuM@213-140-19-123.fastres.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl_ [i=michael@conference/debconf/x-52eeedd7b9317866] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@04-186.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@04-186.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb [n=martin@ubuntu/member/mhb] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |IppatsuMan| is now known as IppatsuManXYZ [05:59] all adept stuff is being removed, im assuming due to poppler libs, maybe just a respin? === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:01] ? [06:01] adept shouldn't need poppler [06:01] libarts than? [06:02] gnomefreak: yu [06:02] well, most of KDE is dependent on libarts unless you give --noarts [06:02] http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/576681 [06:02] are you on amd64? [06:03] 386 [06:10] gnomefreak: it is apt that is removing adept [06:10] don't do a dist-upgrade, just do an upgrade [06:10] it will hold back apt and keep your adept [06:10] why would apt remove it [06:10] cuz someone packaged it not thinking maybe? === nosrednaekim [n=michael@04-186.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === mbiebl_ [i=michael@conference/debconf/x-aefdd4ab581a6a09] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:11] either it has a replaces or conflicts in there maybe, or there could be something in the adept package [06:11] adept depends on apt (guess that makes sence) [06:11] you think? :) === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387F67B.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:16] hrmm, I wonder if it is because the apt update removes the old apt first? [06:17] nixternal: im asking mvo [06:17] rock on with your badself [06:17] adept == failed to build [06:17] ahhh [06:18] he hasnt had time to look into it yet === nixternal looks [06:18] see -bugs for his comments [06:19] hrmm, looks like apt ftb [06:19] oh, ftb for him, that is why I don't see it in the build logs [06:19] yes [06:23] time for sKool === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === meven__ [n=meven@ARennes-357-1-149-217.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === meven [n=meven@ARennes-357-1-149-217.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === meven [n=meven@ARennes-357-1-149-217.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ is now known as Lure === robertknight [n=robert@81-179-128-74.dsl.pipex.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A726F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddelll [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:21] sir is multiplying [07:22] Riddelll: ping === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:23] hi Lure [07:24] Riddelll: debian is asking what have we changed in kde that we do not need .la files for libgphoto plugins to load properly [07:24] Riddelll: this is only change that we are different then debian and they would like to fix it in debian === Lure has forwarded you the email [07:25] Lure: I have to say I've no idea [07:25] :-( [07:26] you might be better to ask doko, he'd know more about loading stuff [07:26] Riddelll: will try, or allee who did the digikam change [07:29] allee: ^^^ [07:29] Hi! === allee had right now looking into bzr and lauchpad :) [07:30] Lure: In not sure what's different. I've never looked at kdelibs and pkgs diff compared to debian [07:31] allee: ok, we may need to ask doko then... [07:31] Lure, Riddelll in one related report in b.k.o there a auto* patch to include .so extention. Maybe kubuntu uses it by default? === allee searches for the report ... [07:32] maybe, although I don't recall doing so [07:32] allee: yes, that could be it... [07:33] Lure: yeah, I also remember this problem some years ago. and the proposed fix ring somehow a bell. I've asked several time on #debian-qt-kde to try it, as I was not motifated enough to setup sid env and build stuff === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44090.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:37] Lute: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390703 and proposed fix in http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125696#c31 [07:37] KDE bug 125696 in Camera GUI "digikam does not connect to USB camera with libgphoto-2.1.99" [Normal,New] [07:38] Riddelll: can you check kdelibs for LTDL_SHLIB_EXT? I'm sure you have a build lying around :) [07:39] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26299/ [07:39] Who do I send a postgresql-contrib patch to? [07:40] manchicken_: packaging patch? [07:40] Well, I just patched the tsearch2() trigger function so that it's compatible with domains. [07:41] is it a patch for upstream or for ubuntu? [07:42] Both :) [07:42] in ubuntu I'd recommend the ubuntu-server mailing list [07:42] and upstream probably have a postgres-devel list or similar === Arby [n=richard@81.168.42.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:52] allee: do not understand where we are different here... :-( [07:52] allee: are we sure that it works in ubuntu? ;-) [07:52] Riddell, Lure: Maybe coolo is the man to ask. a) why there a own ltdl in kde b) is Marcus proposed patch is 'save' [07:53] Lure: yeah, looks like kubuntu does not use the extention. [07:53] allee: problem is I would like to understand first why we are different (if we are) [07:54] Is there a program that can turn an ISO into a directory structure? [07:54] Lure: at the end of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390703 Marcus mentions a lib ltdl conflict too, argl [07:55] allee: exactly, but I do not see anywhere that we would drop kde's ltdl... [07:55] Lure: have you a kdegraphics build lying around? maybe the kamera/Makefile uncovers it why kamera is working in debian [07:58] Lure: maybe we should ping Mark, he's at debconf and has time and experts around him. === allee wishes Msg would be more often in #debian-qt-kde === Lure downloads kde-graphics [08:11] allee: nothing special in kamera Makefile... [08:13] allee: difference is that kdegraphics depends on libgphoto-dev (same as digikam in debian) [08:13] allee: it may be something on ubuntu that prevents kdecore version of ltdl to get activated in runtime?! === mhb [n=martin@ubuntu/member/mhb] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:16] Lure: did you compare the kamera Makefile generated in a debian and kubuntu environement? [08:16] allee: no === nosrednaekim [n=michael@05-152.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:17] allee: just reviewed the kubuntu patches + Makefile === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:20] Lure: I wonder if e.g. GPHOTO* var are different (wild guess of course) but $(GPHOTO2_LIBS) is used with LDFLAGS in digikam in LIBADD [08:27] sabdfl has made me a very happy man. [08:28] Application Trends quoted him saying something that I was pleased to read. === apacheLAGger [n=me@M3138P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:52] Did anybody else get a survey from Exeter University about their Free Software contributions? [08:53] It looks like the sort of thing folks would be receiving en masse. [08:56] cindy: I'm gonna put up the profiles page for the meeting. [08:56] I'll pull it down again afterwards. [08:57] manchicken: there is a meeting? [08:57] ack, wrong thing. [08:57] Damnit. [08:57] Sorry about that. [09:29] Riddelll: does kdelibs build with --enable-fast-malloc ?? === n8k99 [n=n8k99@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [i=michael@conference/debconf/x-221855a2337ea854] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl_ [i=michael@conference/debconf/x-f0780bb6ed312137] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99_ [n=n8k99@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@05-152.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [10:36] marseillai: nope [10:38] oki [10:38] thanks [10:39] does someone know how to connect myself to revu with my @ubuntu.com mail instead of my @gmail.com mail [10:39] connect in which way? [10:39] to post comment on upload i done with my ubuntu.com adress [10:40] i've upload this : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5634 wich should go to archive before there is no improvment but i can't do any comment [10:41] ask siretart [10:41] marseillai: Is you ubuntu.com address in the pgp key you have on LP? [10:42] marseillai: I can archive the upload if you want? [10:42] ScottK: yes it is in my pgp [10:42] ScottK: yes you can archive it [10:43] ScottK: and if you have a little time could you take a look at one of my package? [10:43] OK. I'll do that. Dunno what to tell you then about logging in other than the advice Riddell gave you already. [10:43] marseillai: I can give it a quick once over, but not a detailed review. [10:44] marseillai: Archived. [10:44] marseillai: sign package with ubuntu.com address i wouuld think [10:45] ScottK: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5533 it's pykde but gpocentek told me he doesn't know if it is ok [10:45] thanks ScottK [10:45] gnomefreak: allready done [10:46] but it seems to not be enough [10:46] marseillai: I'll take a look, but I'm pretty new as a MOTU, so no guarantee I'll feel confident either. [10:46] Riddell: if i wanted to build adept to fix the apt | adept conflict is there something that should be in changelog? like respun due to apt conflict? [10:46] ScottK: oki just to have your opinion about this package === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:47] ScottK: you can do it!!! [10:47] <_StefanS_> hi all [10:48] Hi _StefanS_ [10:48] marseillai: This is a Python application, right? Why do you not use python-support or python-central? [10:49] _StefanS_: hi there [10:49] <_StefanS_> hi mhb [10:50] <_StefanS_> mhb: isn't apt-get in the apt package? [10:50] <_StefanS_> mhb: or maybe its dpkg.. [10:51] _StefanS_: different packages adept uses apt as in code part states use apt to get packages use dpkg to install [10:51] ScottK: because tonio told me there is no need for it [10:51] <_StefanS_> gnomefreak: thanks [10:52] marseillai: OK. I'd have to build the package to see if it puts all the files in the right place. [10:52] <_StefanS_> mhb: I will try to look at it now [10:52] Other than that, it looks good. [10:52] ScottK: all the files have to be in the same directory [10:52] _StefanS_: apt has the binary, though [10:52] I install them with debian/install ... [10:52] _StefanS_: ./apt.list:/usr/bin/apt-get [10:53] afaik adept is just a frontend for apt as is synaptic [10:53] apt/dpkg [10:54] marseillai: OK. I'm looking at that. I also notice there's no depence on Python. What versions of Python will this work with? [10:54] <_StefanS_> Fetched 5634kB in 3s (1772kB/s).. nice [10:55] marseillai: Python policy (para 3.1) specifies a requirement for a python depends (versioned if necessary). [10:55] ScottK: oki i'll re work on it and forget tonio advices! ;) [10:56] marseillai: I'm not saying you need python-support or python-central, just that you need to depend on python. [10:56] pykde is not enough ? [10:56] No === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:58]