[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #121089 in launchpad-answers "Manage answer contacts has obsolete information" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121089
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121093 in launchpad-answers "Notify user that his preferred languages were modified" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121093
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121094 in launchpad-answers "Only add English to a team preferred languages when registering as answer contact" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121094
[02:39] <greg_g_> Is "rejected" the right option to select if I want to cancel a bug, as in, it seems to no longer be reproducible on my computer, and never was on anyone elses
[02:52] <crimsun> greg_g_: yes
[02:54] <greg_g_> crimsun: thanks
[03:51] <jkakar> I seem to be getting a lot of timeouts right now...
[04:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[08:06] <jamesh> lifeless, thumper, spiv, BjornT: do we have a reviewers team meeting now?
[08:07] <thumper> yes
[08:08] <thumper> last weeks was over half an hour late too
[08:08] <thumper> unfortunately this is right around my daughters' dinner time
[08:09] <jamesh> looks like reviews need allocating
[08:12] <lifeless> uhm yes
[08:13] <lifeless> thumper: yah, unfortunately tuesday and thursday are good days to pair program
[08:13] <lifeless> so its very likely discussions will be happening around this time 
[08:13] <thumper> lifeless: why?
[08:13] <lifeless> because
[08:14] <lifeless> anyhow, let me grab the agenda
[08:14] <spiv> thumper: our various household schedules line up particularly favourably on tue/thur.
[08:14] <lifeless> == Agenda ==
[08:14] <lifeless>  * Roll call
[08:14] <lifeless>  * Next meeting
[08:14] <lifeless>  * Queue status.
[08:14] <lifeless>  * Preimplementation call status/progress (barry in .eu)
[08:15] <thumper> here
[08:15] <spiv> I'm here.
[08:15] <jamesh> I'm here
[08:15] <BjornT> i'm here
[08:16] <lifeless> next meeting: 2007-06-26 at 0600 UTC 
[08:16] <thumper> lifeless: if tuesdays are bad what aboud Wed?
[08:16] <BjornT> i'll won't be here next week - london sprint
[08:16] <thumper> I just have commitments on Mondays
[08:16] <thumper> I'll be in London too
[08:17] <lifeless> that would be two in one day for bjorn I think
[08:17] <lifeless> you're away for the week; so I don't think the meeting time will affect you next week
[08:17] <lifeless> spiv, jamesh - same time is ok ?
[08:17] <BjornT> yeah. i also find it useful to have the two reviewer meetings a bit apart
[08:17] <thumper> jamesh is away too
[08:17] <jamesh> lifeless: I'll be in London then
[08:17] <spiv> Fine with me.
[08:17] <lifeless> ok
[08:17] <lifeless> me and spiv can have a beer then
[08:17] <spiv> Although it sounds like it'll be a lonely meeting!
[08:18] <spiv> Ah, you're never lonely with beer ;)
[08:18] <lifeless> jamesh: can you do review allocation today? Sorry to ask; been pairing and writing all day
[08:18] <jamesh> lifeless: sure.
[08:19] <lifeless> thanks!
[08:19] <jamesh> I'll go lightly on the people who'll be at the meeting next week
[08:19] <lifeless> ok
[08:19] <lifeless> don't go too heavy on spiv either though; hes sprinting at the moment too
[08:19] <thumper> give it all to the americans!
[08:20] <thumper> barry
[08:20] <thumper> :)
[08:20] <spiv> jamesh: give them all to kiko, he's good at delegating ;)
[08:20] <lifeless> There are 15 open reviews, 4 over target.
[08:20] <lifeless> thats a 25% ratio, not hot - but much better than recently
[08:21] <spiv> Given the massive dump of stuff on the review queue on Thursday/Friday, I'd say that's pretty good.
[08:22] <spiv> According to the number of kb in the mailman archives, we've already had more reviews this month than any previous month.
[08:23] <lifeless> ok
[08:23] <jamesh> I'll have my overdue one sent in today
[08:23] <lifeless> any extra business?
[08:24] <spiv> I'm concerned about the effect of the mad rush to get stuff in at the end of the release cycle.
[08:24] <lifeless> yes
[08:24] <thumper> spiv: any release cycle will end in a rush
[08:24] <lifeless> But launchpad isn't doing strictly 'time based releases'
[08:24] <lifeless> thumper: not true.
[08:24] <lifeless> launchpad is doing regular releases 
[08:24] <jamesh> after the SSO stuff is out of the way, I should have time to do the "incremental diff" feature for the pending-reviews script
[08:25] <jamesh> which should help
[08:25] <lifeless> this is different
[08:25] <spiv> It puts pressure on reviewers to let things in they perhaps they shouldn't, when during a rush it's even more important to be cautious.
[08:25] <lifeless> I think launchpad should do a couple of cycles and let people get used to the rhythm
[08:25] <lifeless> it may well settle as people get better as estimating what will fit in a month; and what won't
[08:25] <lifeless> its a new discipline here
[08:26] <spiv> And it also strains the available time resources of the reviewers, and strains infrastructure like the pending reviews script which could barely keep up.
[08:26] <lifeless> agreed
[08:26] <spiv> I already had a mini-rant about this on the list :)
[08:26] <lifeless> but - see my thoughts about this above
[08:26] <thumper> I agree with lifeless, we need to give it a couple of cycles
[08:27] <thumper> hopefully it'll settle naturally
[08:27] <spiv> So, I hope you're right that this is a one off, and it'll get better in future cycles.
[08:27] <lifeless> I think we should be able to say 'this cycle was 4 foophwoards bad'
[08:27] <jamesh> spiv: it took Gnome a while to settle in to time based releases
[08:27] <lifeless> perhaps by graphing commits per week
[08:27] <lifeless> or commits per day even
[08:27] <lifeless> and if it goes WAY up
[08:28] <lifeless> at the end, then its being bunched up and we want to aim to reduce the spike.
[08:28] <jamesh> spiv: I agree that we should get people to aim to merge before the deadline rather than at the deadline too
[08:28] <lifeless> a little bzrlib work should give a decent graph easily.
[08:29] <spiv> I think maybe people should be reminded at the launchpad meeting that if you add your branch to the review queue on the last Friday, it's just way too late to expect it to land, so they should aim for much earlier.
[08:29] <jamesh> given the amount of stuff that went in right at the end, it means there is a lot of code that each team hasn't been testing against
[08:29] <lifeless> ok
[08:29] <lifeless> why don't we propose a window
[08:30] <spiv> But perhaps that will happen naturally after people saw what happened this time?
[08:30] <lifeless> e.g. if the release is going to be cut on 'Monday'
[08:30] <lifeless> then we say 'it must be in the review queue by the Tuesday before'
[08:30] <thumper> sounds fair (I think)
[08:31] <spiv> That sounds about right; especially given that some branches need to go through needs-reply before they're ready.
[08:31] <BjornT> yeah, something like that sounds good.
[08:31] <lifeless> right
[08:31] <lifeless> any other business?
[08:31] <thumper> nope
[08:31] <lifeless> 4
[08:31] <BjornT> lifeless: yes, one more thing
[08:32] <BjornT> lifeless: there was discussion about the "fasttrack" process before. who's responsibility is it to get it documented and implemented?
[08:32] <lifeless> oh, spiv - as you started a rant, can you raise this recommendation at the next LP meeting please.
[08:32] <lifeless> BjornT: Yours I thought, from the previous reviewer meetings about it.
[08:32] <spiv> Ok.  I'll have to do it by proxy as I'm not normally awake at that time :)
[08:32] <spiv> But sure, I can arrange that.
[08:33] <BjornT> lifeless: oh, i thought it was yours :) but sure, i can do it.
[08:33] <lifeless> BjornT: ahha, classic falling in the cracks.
[08:33] <lifeless> BjornT: thanks!
[08:35] <lifeless> any other other business?
[08:35] <lifeless> 8
[08:35] <lifeless> 4
[08:35] <lifeless> 2
[08:35] <lifeless> 1
[08:35] <lifeless> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[08:35] <lifeless> thanks for coming
[08:35] <thumper> thanks lifeless
[08:35] <lifeless> see some of you next bat-time
[08:35] <thumper> spiv: do you want to do a call about that review?
[08:36] <thumper> spiv: tomorrow?
[08:36] <thumper> spiv: or are you all sorted?
[08:36] <spiv> thumper: I'm fine atm, but I haven't started yet!
[08:37] <thumper> ok
[08:37] <spiv> thumper: I see you updated the incremental diff on the queue, though?
[08:37] <thumper> yeah, although it might be easier just to look at the full diff
[08:37] <spiv> I'll take a look.  I actually have a copy of that branch locally, too :)
[08:37] <spiv> Thanks for making the diff.
[08:38] <thumper> night all
[08:39] <lifeless> night
[08:49] <lifeless> 4
[08:49] <Hobbsee> 5
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #121133 in launchpad-bazaar "make link to codebrowse more prominent" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121133
[09:24] <carlos> morning
[09:24] <Hobbsee> morning carlos 
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #121138 in launchpad "rocketfuel-setup shouldn't mess with the developer's .ssh/config" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121138
[11:52] <Hobbsee> erm...bzr help is here or #bzr?
[11:52] <Hobbsee> i'm confused about the options, and dont know what i want to do
[11:53] <stub> Hobbsee: #bzr. We are just users here like you.
[11:53] <stub> Unless you mean the Launchpad/bzr integration or supermirror stuff.
[11:53] <Hobbsee> stub: cool, thanks.  i cant tell if i want to register a branch or a series, i think
[12:01] <Hobbsee> whine.  i dont undersatnd this.
[12:03] <Hobbsee> oh wait.
[12:11] <Hobbsee> hey cool, it even worked.
[12:12] <Hobbsee> ish.
[12:13] <Hobbsee> yay!  \o/
[01:38] <cprov> morning folks
[02:12] <jfroche_> hello, does Rosetta have a search functionality ?
[02:34] <carlos> jfroche_: not yet
[02:34] <carlos> jfroche_: but we prepared our web pages to allow Google to index all translations
[02:34] <carlos> so it would be used as a workaround
[02:35] <jfroche_> search feature in a translation tool is for me one of the most basic feature for usability
[02:35] <carlos> jfroche_: If you want to track that feature development, you can subscribe to https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/44
[02:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [High,Confirmed]   - Assigned to   (danilo)
[02:36] <jfroche_> don't want to be bad at you guys, you are doing a really great job but #44 was first reported on 2005-01-11
[02:43] <carlos> jfroche_: there are technical problems to do a proper fix for that
[02:43] <carlos> and we know that, that's why we changed Launchpad to allow google to index all translations
[02:43] <carlos> jfroche_: the main problem is related with performance
[02:45] <carlos> jfroche_: there is a draft plan already about how to implement it but still needs to be scheduled in our new release cycle schedule
[02:47] <jfroche_> carlos:  it's a performance problem for huge projects, is it such a big problem for smaller projects ?
[02:48] <carlos> jfroche_: we share the same database across all projects so it's more or less the same for all projects
[02:49] <carlos> jfroche_: in February we already did some DB schema changes to improve the situation and we have another one planned (we designed it as a two steps optimisation)
[02:50] <carlos> and we hope that should be enough to fix that performance problem
[02:52] <jfroche_> carlos: this is a good news ! hope this second improvement will be soon schedule 'cause it's a long awaited feature ;)
[02:53] <carlos> it will
[03:43] <RainC1> hi
[03:43] <RainC1> is it possible to change the name (not display name) of a project?
[03:46] <matsubara> RainC1: yes, it is. File a question in launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion and a LP admin will change it for you.
[03:46] <RainC1> matsubara: ok, thanks
[03:47] <matsubara> hi Hobbsee 
[04:15] <mwhudson> i'm upgrading codebrowse, should only be down for a moment or two
[04:17] <carlos> mwhudson: one...
[04:17] <mwhudson> back up
[04:17] <carlos> mwhudson: two...
[04:17] <carlos> you were fast :-P
[04:17] <mwhudson> please test away
[04:19] <carlos> mwhudson: works here
[04:19] <mwhudson> cool
[04:23] <mwhudson> if anyone wants to upgrade their lp branch to dirstate-tags that would let me verify a bug fix :)
[04:23] <mwhudson> though loggerhead actually has unit tests now, so i should be a bit more confident
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #121193 in launchpad-bazaar "Unclear how to configure so that "lp:product" URLs in bzr will use a designated branch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121193
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #121199 in malone ""Report a bug in ..." link on bug page is hard to find" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121199
[06:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121200 in launchpad-bazaar "Branching/checking out "lp:~user/project/branch" URLs should use write-access if possible" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121200
[07:13] <rdale> i've successfully created a new branch in project hexperides, but it is in my personal name, rather than the hexperides team: sftp://rdale@bazaar.launchpad.net/~rdale/hexperides/hexperides
[07:13] <rdale> is it possible to change it to a team branch?
[07:15] <stgraber> rdale: IIRC you can change the branch owner in LP
[07:18] <stgraber> rdale: https://code.launchpad.net/~rdale/hexperides/hexperides/+reassign
[07:19] <rdale> ok, great i'll try that thanks
[07:20] <stgraber> no problem
[07:22] <rdale> hmm, i can't seem to quite get launchpad - i created a team called 'hexperides', but i see there is one called 'hexperides-developers'  that i didn't create
[07:25] <stgraber> hexperides_developers was created by Cristo a month ago (he's the only member and the team is moderated)
[07:27] <rdale> ah ok thanks again, i'll stick with my hexperides one for the branch ownership then
[07:31] <pochu> barry: do you have any ETA for the ML spec?
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #121211 in rosetta "Broken translation group link in project/distro overview page." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121211
[08:26] <LaserJock> darn, where'd Joey go?
[08:27] <barry> pochu: only very rough.  i think it will be a month or so
[08:50] <AlinuxOS> hello all, is there terminology data base in launchpad ?
[08:50] <AlinuxOS> if yes I would like to start working on it ?
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #121219 in launchpad-answers ""Answer contact for" displays misleading message" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121219
[10:25] <Ph0t0n> what meaning "[Errno 13]  Directories directly under a user directory must be named after a product name registered in Launchpad <https://launchpad.net/>." when try to create one brach
[10:26] <kiko> correct
[11:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!